Best of the Week on The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Best of the Week

Date: May 9, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick
Featured Guests: Cherie DeVoe (Kentucky Derby-winning trainer), Charles Barkley (NBA Hall of Famer)

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Episode Overview

This "Best of the Week" episode delivers everything fans expect from The Dan Patrick Show: engaging sports conversation, humor, and in-depth interviews with headline-makers from across the sports world. Highlighting the exhilarating Kentucky Derby win by Golden Tempo with trainer Cherie DeVoe and a classic, wide-ranging chat with NBA legend and analyst Charles Barkley, the episode also covers the latest NBA playoff action, iconic players, debates about legacy and team-building, and the ever-entertaining world of NBA drama.

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Kentucky Derby: Golden Tempo’s Shocking Win

Guest: Cherie DeVoe (Golden Tempo's trainer)
Timestamps: [02:17] – [11:29]

Key Points & Insights

• Golden Tempo’s Victory and Reaction

  • Dan Patrick opens with praise for Golden Tempo’s incredible last-to-first run.
  • Cherie DeVoe reflects:

    “It felt like it was all the years of hard work… just seemed, it felt like it was a culmination of all of that.” — Cherie DeVoe [05:24]

• Race Strategy

  • Golden Tempo’s a natural “deep closer,” preferring to let the field go ahead and use his late pace. Blinkers didn’t bring him closer to the field; tactic was to “just swing as wide as you can so you get a clear shot at it.”

    “He just seems to like to let everyone else do the hard work in front of him and do his best running late.” — Cherie DeVoe [03:02]

• Watching the Race

  • DeVoe describes the tension from her vantage:

    “Most of the race, he wasn’t even on the screen... I could see him, and that's when my wonderfully viral video of me cheering him on started.” — Cherie DeVoe [04:23]

• Pride in Horse Welfare

  • Emphasizes that safety precedes results:

    "This is a sport where you have to put the horse first and their safety first. …That’s what I’m most proud of.” — Cherie DeVoe [05:57]

• Next Steps: The Preakness & Triple Crown

  • No rush on Preakness decision; depends on Golden Tempo’s energy after the Derby.
  • On modern Triple Crown objectives:

    “We do focus more on the race to race...The Kentucky Derby was our big goal.” — Cherie DeVoe [07:58]

• Secretariat’s Legacy

  • DeVoe calls Secretariat’s Derby record untouchable, underscoring the horse’s “elite” status.

• Memorable Moments

  • DeVoe is keeping a custom pair of shoes, one rose from the Garland, but jokes about not grabbing a “handful of dirt.” [10:12]
  • She doesn’t bet her own horses:

    "I think it’s enough pressure for the horse. They don’t need the weight of my financial burden on them either.” — Cherie DeVoe [10:52]

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NBA Playoffs: Legacy, Lineups, and the Postseason Pressure

Host and Crew Discussion
Timestamps: [15:31] – [33:38]

Key Points & Insights

• Cleveland Cavaliers, James Harden, and Past Decisions

  • Dan analyzes Cleveland’s playoff struggles, focusing on James Harden’s playoff letdowns.

    “Playoff James is just not very good...one of those guys that just put up a lot of numbers that didn’t amount to anything. A lot of empty calories.” — Marvin [20:36]

  • Discussion about team-building, ring culture, and Harden’s legacy vs. talents like Durant and Westbrook.

• OKC Thunder’s Depth and Future

  • OKC compared to “the San Antonio Spurs of old”: efficient, deep, and methodical.
  • Point on SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander):

    “The Thunder looked great last night. SGA has not dominated, which is the scary part.” — Dan Patrick [24:06]

  • OKC’s stockpile of draft picks, player development, and lasting viability in the West.

• LeBron, Foul Calls, and NBA Officiating

  • Debate over whether LeBron, as a physical star, gets a fair shake from refs.

    “LeBron has the worst whistle of any star player I’ve ever seen.” — JJ Redick (as paraphrased by Dan) [26:23]

  • Barkley and Dan recall refs’ history with big men like Shaq and Wilt:

    “If I hit you, you may not react. That’s why [LeBron’s] theatrical.” — Dan Patrick [27:06]

• Changing NBA Culture

  • Player movement and “ring culture” scrutinized, with a lively comparison of stats, team success, and perception.

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Charles Barkley Unfiltered: NBA, Legacies, and the Art of Flopping

Guest: Charles Barkley (NBA Hall of Famer)
Timestamps: [33:38] – [51:23]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Snorkeling & Shaq (Humor)

“Oh, that’s not a black tivity… Unless a shark come up on land, that’s never gonna happen to me.” — Charles Barkley [33:49]

On NBA Flopping & Tanking

• Flopping and tanking “not new” in the NBA.

“Teams have always tanked and guys have always flopped...I will admit I’ve never seen anything like that last night where an entire team go around the refs… Never seen that.” — Charles Barkley [34:55]

On LeBron & NBA Officiating

• “All great players make contact with the defense first.” [36:51]
• “I guarantee you, if you went and looked at the numbers, I bet free throw shooting is down… The Lakers are down, oh two. Oklahoma City is just better than them. Has nothing to do with officiating.” — Charles Barkley [37:05]

On the Draymond Green Confrontation

• Barkley reflects on live TV arguments with Green, boundaries of criticism:

  “You can never take personal shots at guys… My critiques are only about the situation.” [40:10]

• “Old people don’t get healthy. Old people die, OK? … It’s over for Golden State. They had a great run.” — Charles Barkley [41:11]

On NBA Player Decline & Longevity

“The first thing that goes…your body don’t move. You can see a ball, but you can’t move to go get it.” [42:35]

Carmelo vs. Draymond; Legendary Career Choices

• Barkley weighs in on what matters more: stardom or rings.

“Carmelo was a much better player than Draymond...Draymond’s had a really terrific career. But to think he’s on the same level as us as players? You’d have to be crazy.” [44:08 - 45:43]

Jalen Brunson’s Breakout

“The Knicks have been relevant since he got there… Jalen Brunson signing with the Knicks is one of the great free agent signings of all time.” [45:58]

James Harden's Struggles

"He looks old… I'm not gonna lie, I am in shock… He's had 29 games where he's had more turnovers than field goals made in a playoff game as a great player. That's one of the most shocking stats I've ever seen..." [47:38 - 49:29]

Tahoe and Golf Banter

• Barkley ribs Dan over “gimme” putts and his golf game.

“Hey, you miss, like, the first five gimmes, and you’re like, ‘They normally give me these at the club.’ I said, ‘Damn, we don’t give anything out here, Dan.’ ” [50:04]

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Additional Highlights

• On Superstar Legacy: Barkley and Dan agree that greatness is about consistency and big moments, not simply stats or rings.
• On NBA Modern Free Agency: Player movement compared, and the impact of “ring culture” dissected.

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• Golden Tempo Kentucky Derby Insight: [02:17] – [11:29]
• NBA Playoff Deep Dive & Harden’s Legacy: [15:31] – [23:50]
• LeBron, Foul Calls, and "Ring Culture": [26:23] – [30:10]
• Charles Barkley Unplugged: [33:38] – [51:23]

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Tone and Atmosphere

The episode blends classic Dan Patrick—wry, insightful, and smoothly conversational—with Barkley’s unmatched blunt humor and honest takes. Whether you follow sports or crave a behind-the-scenes feel, this episode offers a mix of expert analysis, nostalgia, friendly roasting, and contemporary debates about what it means to be great in the world of sports today.

Transcript

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[Cherie DeVoe]

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. One of the great stories this year happening at the Kentucky Derby as Golden Tempo came from last to first and the trainer for the horse Golden Tempo. Cherie Devoe joins us on the program. Congratulations. Does Golden Tempo know that he did something special?

[Cherie DeVoe]

I think he does. Getting. He's getting a lot more attention and pats. And then he was auditioning for a scouting career just now when we had him out with a couple local reporters. So I think he's really relishing that he's going to get to have a lot more fun in his next phase of life.

[Dan Patrick]

Give me the race plan that you. You put forth before the race started.

[Cherie DeVoe]

So Golden Tempo is a deep closer, and we've tried to get them a bit more in contact with the field by putting the blinkers on him. That didn't really seem to help. He just seems to like to let everyone else do the hard work in front of him and do his best running late. So the conversation with Jose was really just, you know, you're in an outside post, just let the field go in front of you. Save, you know, get down to the rail, save ground. And then, you know, he was going to be wide at making his run no matter what, just because of how he runs. So it's really important that when you can, you're not losing any, you know, any distance in the race, any ground, as we call it. So. And the other thing I had mentioned to Jose is just he had. In his previous start in the Louisiana Derby, he dove down to the rail because he thought that's where the horse was going to do his best running. But you really can't do that in the field of the Kentucky Derby. There's too much traffic. Horses are going to close you off. And so I just said, just swing as wide as you can so you get a clear shot at it. And if you could have drawn it up on a playbook, then that would be exactly how we. How Jose enacted it.

[Dan Patrick]

What can you see, though, from your vantage point?

[Cherie DeVoe]

Not much. All I could see, like, Churchill's a bit tricky to watch races, especially in a big crowd. So you're watching on the tv, and most of the race, he wasn't even on the screen, and neither was his little chicklet. So I was watching a lot of the complexity of the first part of the race. Um, and I was hoping Jose was a man with a plan because he was so far out of it. And they were, to be fair, they were going really fast in front of him. Um, but I picked him up, like, when they came off the stretch and I could see him, and that's when my wonderfully viral video of me cheering him on started and when they came by where I was standing, he was just getting to Renegade. And then, you know, then again they still had quite a lot of the race left to run. So then I had to watch it on the big screen. I couldn't believe it.

[Dan Patrick]

What do you see when you see yourself in that moment?

[Cherie DeVoe]

It just, it felt like it was all the years of hard work. You know, I put a lot of, I put all my life in this industry up to this point, you know, from when I started 22 years ago. And it just seemed, it felt like it was a culmination of all of that. And I was just so proud of Golden Tempo and just so elated for Jose. And then I think myself was the last thought that was is in my mind about that moment.

[Dan Patrick]

How do you know you're good at your job?

[Cherie DeVoe]

That's a good question. I, A lot of people would say results. For me, it's the results. But also this is a sport where you have to put the horse first and their safety first. And I'm going to knock on wood because I hate saying this, but have a low rate of significant incidents of horses getting hurt on the track and that's what I'm most proud of. You know, results come, but putting the horse first and just making sure that they're safe in their races and coming out of it happy and healthy is what's most important.

[Dan Patrick]

Who have you heard from since the win? That would surprise me,

[Cherie DeVoe]

To be honest. I haven't even gotten through all my messages.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Cherie DeVoe]

I mean, it was fun. I went to school in southwest Florida in a small town that has nothing to do with horse racing. And that was a big deal then. It's, it's kind of surreal when I'm watching, you know, well known figures talking about me on, you know, on different podiums and social media.

[Dan Patrick]

When do you decide on the Preakness?

[Cherie DeVoe]

We're going to give it a couple days. It could be as early as Wednesday or tomorrow or Thursday. Daisy's here representing the FIP stable. So we just had a little chat and, you know, we, we just said we talk a little bit. He's going to go to the track tomorrow and we'll come up, you know, we'll come up with a plan in short order.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, because I'm not sure if horse racing has become more specialized where we're gearing for the Derby or we're gearing for the Preakness. We're gearing for the Belmont. Whereas when I was growing up, you were hoping that you could be in all three races and win a Triple Crown. I don't know how important that is. Can you enlighten me on that in today's world of horse racing?

[Cherie DeVoe]

Well, it's, it's definitely different. We do focus more on the race to race of, of, you know, of what we're doing. So the Kentucky Derby was our big goal. We didn't. I didn't. Not in a bad way because I didn't have faith in the horse. I couldn't believe that we actually won. So. And I haven't had a chance to sit and catch my breath and really think about the Triple Crown. You know, the, the factors in it are he's a horse that relishes a mile and a quarter. So he ran a mile and 3:16 in his previous start. So, you know, I'm happy to have a horse that can win the Kentucky Derby, win the Belmont, win the Traverse, but he's so specialized. But. And that's why we're waiting to see what his energy level is like when he gets back to the track, you know, see how he's moving. Because he's going to have to really take a jump forward to be able to take that extra 16th of a mile away from him.

[Dan Patrick]

So it wouldn't matter if I put in an extra week in between the Derby and the Preakness, right? That, that, that doesn't matter. It's just this horse as good at these distances or this distance. Okay.

[Cherie DeVoe]

Exactly. And, and that has nothing to do with the timing. And I admire any horse that tries for the Triple Crown, whether we take that route or not. But it's, it's a horse by horse basis. If you were a different type of horse with a different running style, probably, you know, would play different in our decision making.

[Dan Patrick]

Secretariat's number still stands there. 159. 4. I, I think Secretariat would have won the Derby by 15 lengths, given, like, it feels like everybody's evolving, athletes are evolving, like we're getting bigger and stronger and better, faster. But Secretariat still remains. Why is that?

[Cherie DeVoe]

Because he was an elite horse. He's one of the greatest horses that ever roamed the earth or, you know, in racing, in our industry. So, you know, he was elite. And it just shows by him having those big achievements and milestones that just can't even become close to reaching in modern days.

[Dan Patrick]

What souvenirs are you keeping from the race?

[Cherie DeVoe]

I have my. I made a custom pair of shoes, so those are, those are staying. And I have one. One rose from the Garland, so that's being preserved. And I, I didn't grab a thing of dirt. I should just grabbed a big handful of dirt. But you know, definitely not in my mind at the time.

[Dan Patrick]

But did you send somebody back to get you some dirt there?

[Cherie DeVoe]

I have, I, I do have a stable there, so it's not outside of the realm, but it would have just been nice to have the dirt on that day. No, I'm just kidding. It's. That's probably gross. What do I have enough just from walking back and forth from the track to the barn.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you bet on the race?

[Cherie DeVoe]

I don't bet. Rarely do I bet, so I think it's enough pressure for the horse. They don't need the weight of my financial burden on them either.

[Dan Patrick]

Did your friends bet?

[Cherie DeVoe]

My friends did bet. So I had a lot of happy congratulatory texts to me. But it's probably more for them because they bet and I think some of them even had the trifecta.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, congratulations. It felt almost like a Disney movie as I'm watching this unfold and maybe they turn it into a movie. But congratulations and good luck with the decision for the Preakness.

[Cherie DeVoe]

Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me on.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Charles Barkley]

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[Dan Patrick]

Pistons over the Cavs. They're up 20 in the series. Thunder over the Lakers. They're up 20 in this series. I wondered yesterday that you had the Lakers 15 and a half point underdogs last night and I thought that you would probably have the Thunder seven and a half or eight and a half point favorites in Los Angeles. Well, it's eight and a half on Saturday night. The Thunder and their traveling show, they will be eight and a half point favorites tonight. It's the Knicks, they're getting one and a half against the Sixers. Spurs four and a half point favorites in Minnesota. And then on Saturday, the Pistons look to go up3.0. They'll be four and a half point underdogs. Let me start with the Cavaliers and the Pistons. Cade Cunningham has been wonderful. He really has. And he might be having a Tyrese Halliburton breakout because now you're going to see him. What happens in the postseason is you're kind of forced to watch players, teams that you normally wouldn't watch during the regular season. Pistons fall into that category. But Cade Cunningham is a great player and the Pistons have played well. Tobias Harris has played really well, giving you that consistent second score, which is what I said they were going to need. Well, you know what always helps, you're going against James Harden and playoff. James is just not very good. The Cavs are paying James Harden and Evan Mobley just under $100 million combined this season. Harden's defense, we know, is a problem. More turnovers than points in two games against the Pistons. Mobley, nine points, one rebound last night. And with James Harden, we could accept that he wasn't going to play defense. Didn't even have to try playing defense. But the Cavaliers are in a win now mode because you got a couple of really good players and you do have a nucleus to make a deep run. If not go to the NBA Finals. You trade Darius Garland to the Clippers and you get James Harden. Well, I don't know what James Harden did in the playoffs, where you go, you know what, we want that on our team. Great regular season player doesn't come up big in the postseason and we've seen that so far. And he doesn't give you the offensive burst that he once did. Where you can go, ah, you know what? We can look past that. He looks old, he's playing old. And Detroit's taking advantage of that. Now Cleveland can still come back and win this series. They have the talent to do that. But James Harden should be a benefit. He should be a positive. He should be something more special. Now I like Darius Garland. I think he made a couple of All Star games. And maybe they thought, well, he's not a big guy, kind of frail, maybe he's not going to come up big in the postseason. Can is he durable? Whatever their reasoning was, the Clippers probably said, wait, we can get younger and get rid of James Harden. Okay, we'll do that. And look, there was a time where I said on this show I thought he was must see tv. I thought that he was incredible as an offensive weapon. I think one year he averaged 36, 37 and 10 and he was ball dominant. But I was okay with it. It's like Russell Westbrook, ball dominant, but there was a time when you couldn't take your eyes off of him. And then you realize that you had Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Kevin Durant on the same team in okc and you wonder if they had beaten the warriors that year when they were up 3:1, how would that have changed history? Now James Harden wanted to have his own team. That's why he went to Houston. Russ was there for a little while longer. Then Durant decided, I can't beat him, I'm going to join him. But you had that moment. And I wonder how history would have been written changed if that did. Yes. Marv.

[Marvin]

Yeah, you got to think about they got to the finals in 2012. They were super young. They were almost like the 95 Orlando Magic where you keep thinking they're going to get back there a couple of times. That's why I hate that term. They'll be back because they're young and they just kind of all went their separate ways.

[Dan Patrick]

I think if they beat the Warriors, Kevin Durant doesn't join the warriors and then maybe Golden State is not winning an extra title or two. Once again, it's a small moment, but it kind of came into my head. It crystallized last night when I watching Harden and I think we're going to look at Harden now. Durant won a couple of titles, Ben Harden was an mvp. But I think, you know, when you're writing the history of James Harden, it's, it's going to be a little bumpy. Like Durant has the titles, that helps. And one of the all time scorers, but it's a little bumpy there as well. And what went on in Houston, we still haven't gotten to the bottom of that, but it feels like Kevin Durant is going to be on yet another team next year. Yes, Marv.

[Marvin]

James Harden, he feels like he's going to be one of those guys that just put up a lot of numbers that didn't amount to anything. A lot of empty calories.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, he's a great regular season player, but, you know, we're so, so focused on postseason. You know, that's changed here in the last, you know, 30 years. Maybe when it comes to arguments, you're like, well, what do you do in the postseason? Nobody ever says, what did Bonds do in the postseason? That doesn't come up. I don't think people can tell you. How many World Series titles did Babe Ruth win? You don't know. But certain players, we do say, Tom Brady we know. Patrick Mahomes we know, you know, there's certain success that goes along with certain players in certain sports. But, you know, when I look at Kevin Durant, okay, two titles, one of the great scorers of all time, what could have been an okay, see, James Harden will be just like, man, that's a lot of points or a lot of assists, a lot of bad playoff games, you know, same with Russell Westbrook. I appreciate that he plays hard every game. He's a scorer, not a shooter. He's entertaining. There's certain players where we do attach the. What did you do in the big games, the big moments? Well, Iverson was a wonderful regular season player. Postseason, he went to an NBA Finals. They took a very suspect team to the NBA Finals. But we do point that out as a positive there, and I think that's sometimes where we pick and choose. When you're trying to win an argument, you're like, well, what did he do in the postseason? What kind of defensive player was he? Yes, Dylan, I think it's always tough when you start to really bounce around to team to team like, like Durant and Harden have both done. As your, your play is getting worse or less, you know, efficient, and you're just third, fourth, fifth, sixth team in a short period of time, people kind of start to get a little disillusioned, I think. Well, sometimes when you go, oh, I didn't know James Harden was in Cleveland, like, that's not a good sign. You disappear a little bit. Yes. Like, oh, okay, he's in Cleveland. Oh, maybe he'll get a title. Maybe he'll get a chance. And I don't know what that is. I mean, he's not going to get that title. This year probably won't get a title, but he's bounced around and, you know, we've seen that with Durant as well. Now this isn't working out. I want to go play with my buddies in Brooklyn. And it's same thing with James Harden. Just kind of vagabonds, gypsies, hall of Famers. But when you put everybody under the same roof, they're all hall of Famers, but they're. They got in there for different reasons. Yeah. Paul, James Harden has been on six

[Marvin]

teams in the past six seasons, but he had a run from 2014 through 2020. He was MVP.

[Dan Patrick]

Second, second.

[Marvin]

First.

[Dan Patrick]

Second, third.

[Marvin]

That's a run.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's a run. Yeah, he was great. He changed the game. Now, you may not like how he changed the game with his step back, but he did change the game. It's just like Ginobili with the Euro step. He changed the game. Yes. Marvin.

[Marvin]

I think ring culture has kind of hurt the NBA because a lot of times what happened with LeBron, you're a great player, but you haven't won any rings. And the same thing with Harden. Those guys are trying to chase championships, and then people don't like the way they chase those championships, but you're on them because they haven't won any titles.

[Dan Patrick]

The Thunder looked great last night. SGA has not dominated, which is the scary part of this. They haven't needed it. There's so much depth with okc and they have so many draft picks coming up, and there's no place to put these draft picks. And you might see okc, you know, they have the Clippers unprotected pick. They have Utah's top eight protected pick, the Rockets top four protected pick, the Sixers top four protected pick, and also a top four protected pick in 2027. Then they have more draft picks in 2027. This is the draft, though, that everybody tanked for because you have five or six players who will probably start right away. OKC doesn't have enough room right now. They got guys coming off the bench, their ninth or 10th guy. Those guys are ready. They want to play. They get buckets. Yes. Dylan, why are the Thunder just going to absorb the Clippers and to their organization at this point? Because they may as well. I mean, that trade, I mean, that's the Herschel Walker trade for the NBA. Paul George, it might be a better outcome than what happened for the Cowboys with the Minnesota Vikings. But, you know, you're watching last night. Austin reeves played well. LeBron played well. It's it's just not enough when I don't get anything out of deandre Ayton. Yeah, I mean, you gotta, you gotta give me more than three points. But Holmgren and Hartenstein, you know, they bang him around. I mean, they, they make him work. And deandre Ayton, that's where. Okay, you don't have Luca. All right. Deandre Ayton still walks out there as a seven footer. Act like one. Reeves did play better, although, you know, now you're hearing the Lakers saying that they're not getting calls, they're being disrespected. In fact, here is JJ Redick. He now the entire team surrounded the officials at the end of a game. I've never seen this before. Almost they had, they had a summit with the officials to talk about not getting calls. Here is JJ Redick on LeBron not getting the benefit of the doubt.

[Charles Barkley]

Well, he gets clobbered on that, that one, you know, with Jalen Williams coming over, trying to block the shot when he spun baseline door. That was in that stretch as well. LeBron has the worst whistle of any star player I've ever seen. I mean, I've been with him two years now. You know, there's again, the smaller guys because they can be theatric. They typically draw more fouls. And the bigger players that are, you know, built like LeBron, it's hard for them. But he gets clobbered. And he got clobbered again tonight. A bunch. And that's not like a new thing, that's not specific to this crew or, you know, this,

[Dan Patrick]

this series.

[Marvin]

He gets fouled a lot that doesn't happen.

[Dan Patrick]

He get.

[Charles Barkley]

Guy gets hit on the head more than any player I've seen on drives. And it rarely gets called. So.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, there was a play of continuation that the officials missed. But LeBron is theatrical as well. I mean, let's be honest here. I know SGA is LeBron is theatrical. Does he get fouled? Not more than anybody I've ever seen. Shaq got fouled, Wilt Chamberlain got fouled more than anybody I ever saw. Every single play. Because this is what happens when you're LeBron and you're 69 and you're 260. If I hit you, you may not react. That's why he's theatrical. He has to sell it because it really doesn't affect him. A lot of times with Shaq, Shaq could play through your contact and you'd think, oh, he didn't get fouled. It didn't affect anything. But he did. And the same with LeBron. So that's why you see LeBron where he is theatrical and officials don't like seeing it, although it feels like they're okay with SGA selling it all the time. But I understand it when you're the big guy on the block, you're not getting any sympathy there. Yes, Marvin, all this stuff is taking

[Marvin]

away from how good Oklahoma City is, because we just talk about them getting away with maybe some foul calls with guys like Lou Dorr and Alice Caruso playing physical all the time and getting the benefit of the doubt. And they're such a good deep team. And now they're playing a marquee team like the Lakers. So now it's on front street on how they play.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, and that's. That's the other thing. Now you're seeing Cade Cunningham. You've already seen Brunson, because the Knicks are always on primetime tv. You're seeing SGA again, where he's going to go back to back MVP and may go back to back with titles. So now you have to have him in the conversation. It's just like Joker, when you win an NBA title, now you're legitimate. Hey, you won MVPs, now win a title. Giannis. Hey, you want MVP, now win a title. Indeed. We're waiting for that. It'll probably never happen, but that you're looking for validation here. SGA has given you validation. He's a great player. He's not exciting. They're not exciting. But it's like the San Antonio spurs efficiency. Deal with us. You don't get style points. I mean, Golden State, if that was the case, Golden State had style points that would last forever. But you don't get style points. You know, the Miami Heat with D. Wade and Bosch and LeBron style points. But you want to be efficient, you want to be great night in, night out. And I look at OKC the way I did San Antonio, they just have players who know their roles. They're deep. We like to say they're well coached and they're the team to beat. The fact you're going into LA and LA is an eight and a half point underdog in their biggest game of the year tells you just about everything you need to know about this series. Yeah, Paul.

[Marvin]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

Charles Barkley, hall of Famer ESPN Inside the NBA Studio analyst Are you. Do you snorkel? Have you done anything like that, sir?

[Charles Barkley]

Oh, that's not a black. That's not a black tivity. Is not a black. Don't they have sharks and stuff in the ocean dance?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Charles Barkley]

Yeah. Unless a shark come up on land, that's never gonna happen to me. That's not, that's not a black tivity.

[Dan Patrick]

Could you imagine a shark looking and seeing Shaq? If he was snorkeling, they'd be saying,

[Charles Barkley]

boy, that's some dark meat right there. Hey, listen. Hey, you know, the thing about it, Dan, the shark will be good for like two or three months. You know, the shark could just take like a no eating vacation because Shaq is so damn big.

[Dan Patrick]

I was, we were talking about this this morning about flopping and I don't know, was flopping. I don't know how prevalent it was when you played, but it feels like it is a topic of conversation, certainly with okc. And it almost feels like it diminishes their success. Let's go back when you played. How often did flopping happen?

[Charles Barkley]

All the time. You know, it's really interesting watching television today. People act like tanking and flopping or something new. Teams have always tanked. They gotta do something about it. But teams have always tanked and guys have always flopped. I mean, you go back to you acting like guys are screaming halfway through their shot or they're flailing Their arms out. So there's always been that. Listen, I will admit I've never seen anything like that last night where an entire team go around the rails. I'd never seen that in my. I'm close to 50 years now. I'd never seen that in my life. Where a whole team go around referees after the game. That was pretty interesting.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but what message can you give to the officials in a situation like that that the Lakers found themselves in?

[Charles Barkley]

I, I don't think that can help them in any capacity. Because now the referees are going to be like, well, if we start calling files for the Lakers, they're going to think that tactic work. So I, I didn't see any positive about that, to be honest with you. Like I say, because ref, you know, you know, athletes and refs always live there. I don't read the newspaper. I don't watch television. Stop lying. Yes, you do. And the refs are going to be like, now if we come out and give the Lakers all these calls, the media are going to be saying the little hijack thing worked. So I don't see anything positive out of it, to be honest with you.

[Dan Patrick]

And J.J. redick said that LeBron, he gets fouled more than anybody, I think, in the history of the game, which isn't true because Shaq got fouled probably more than anybody. Because you, you could never tell if you were hurting Shaq. Whereas LeBron's a big guy, but he also is pretty theatrical as well. Is LeBron being refereed fairly, man, first

[Charles Barkley]

of all, all great players. A couple things. All great players make contact with the defense first. So then they're all. There's always contact. I always tried to hit the guy I was playing against just to knock him off balance so I could get my shot off. So we all overreacted. There all. There's always contact. I actually think the refs have kind of swallowed the whistle these playoffs. I've seen more contact on guys than I saw the entire regular season. I bet if you did a survey, I bet free throw shooting is down. I mean, I haven't looked at all, but I bet if you go back and look at the first round and the first couple games of these, I bet free throw shooting is down. Cause when me and Kenny were in there the other day, we screaming, that's a foul. That's a foul. That's a foul. And the ref not calling the files. But I guarantee you, if you went and looked at the numbers, I bet free throw shooting is down. The number of guys have Taken. And I was watching, listening to your show earlier today when I was driving around, I think I heard somebody say that somebody shot. I think Austin Reed shot more free throws than Shay Gildris. Yeah, so. But I heard you talking about it earlier. So, man, no, the Lakers are down. Oh, two. That the Oklahoma City is just better than them has nothing to do with the officiating.

[Dan Patrick]

Was Vlad a the first flopper in the NBA?

[Charles Barkley]

I can't answer that question because I don't know. And dude, there's always been floppers. I mean, there's always. So listen, I told you, there's always been floppers. I'm not sure who the first was. You know, guys throw their arms and scream every time somebody touched him now. And listen, I think there's an automatic thing now, Dan. Every time a guy gets fouled, they just normally start twirling their fingers to the referee, to the coach. Review that. Yeah, I mean, it's become like an automatic thing.

[Dan Patrick]

But I just make. I would have given Homegrown a technical after they reversed it for him, flopping and selling it that way. I was,

[Charles Barkley]

you know, first of all, I like replay, but the problem with replay is there's so much stuff that happened that's unreviewable.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Charles Barkley]

Because you can only re review a certain thing. So even though I think review is a positive, I think it can be a negative because you're like, well, it didn't go off this guy, but he got hammered. And you can't look at that. You just got to look who touched the ball last. So it's pros and cons, to be honest with you, Dan, to that. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Charles Barkley hall of Famer inside the NBA Studio analyst, you and Draymond going at it. You were. You were being honest to Draymond that it's over in Golden State. And then he made it personal where he took a shot at you when you were chasing a ring in Houston. How did it go when you go to commercial break after something like that or the rest of the night, how's it go?

[Charles Barkley]

Well, number one, I don't ever take anything. You can never take personal shots at guys. You know, I've said that in my 26 years. My critiques of every player or coach is only about the situation. He took a shot at me, but I don't get offended because other guys, I've said things about guys, and they took personal shots at me. You know, it's so funny. Last time you had me on the show, I told you I regretted those Rocket years, especially the last two, which I sucked as a player, but I wouldn't turn down no free money. I had two years. I. I had two years left on my contract, and I. Yeah, but you

[Dan Patrick]

can say it, though, Charles, that my. My issue with Draymond, if he wants to do this, you know, be in tv, is get a sense of humor. He takes everything personally. You were just saying, look, it's over with the warriors, and now he can't say it, but you were just saying it's over. And then he made it personal with you instead of.

[Charles Barkley]

Yeah, he made it personal. Listen, man, it's so funny. There's a couple things. The warriors haven't been relevant for three or four years. They've been in the play in, so. So when you're in the play in, you're not in the playoffs, you're in the play. That's something Adam said. That's some Adam Silver. Who. I love Adam Silver. I love Adam Silver. But the playing is something they just made up to have more games to put on a different network. And when you're in the play in, the Rock has been. Excuse me, the word's been in the play in, I think, four straight years. So they. They've been irrelevant. And I know he don't want to say it, but. And listen, you know, everybody getting mad when I say this. Old people don't get healthy. Old people die, okay? They don't get healthy. The notion that him and Steph gonna get better when they get healthy and being a year older, they're not. They're not. They just don't get older, Dan. So it's over for Golden State. They had a great run, and he should, like, he took a personal shot at me, but I'm not sensitive. But, yeah, it's been open. Golden State. I mean, if. Hey, if Golden State was relevant, he wouldn't be in the studio.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the first thing that goes. As you get older, as a. As a player, your body don't move.

[Charles Barkley]

Like, you can see a ball, but you can't move to go get it. Like, you, like. Like in the beginning, you're like, oh, there's a ball. Let me just jump up and get it. When you get older, you're like, I see that ball, but I can't move. It's like a delayed reaction. And. And secondly, you can see it with stealth. You get hurt. You get hurt. You get hurt a lot. One, I tell people from 25 to 32, you're at the peak of your superpowers. Then 32, 34, you can squeeze another couple good years out of it. It's a little bit different now because two things. Number one, they don't go to college, and there's no physicality. So you can play, like, an extra three or four years at a good level, and you're not the same, but you can play at a good level because these guys never went to college, and there's no physicality in the game. I mean, you know, you talk about guys, like in the old days, they went to college for four years. Like Tim Duncan, the greatest power forward ever. He went to college for four years and still played 16, 17 years, and the game was way more physical. So guys can play longer now, and that's an advantage for them.

[Dan Patrick]

I asked Reggie Miller earlier this week whose career he would rather have, Draymond or Carmelo.

[Charles Barkley]

Carmelo was a much better player than Draymond. That's not a shade, Adam. Draymond's a. Was a. He's a good player. Carmelo was a great player. Listen, man, we all want to win,

[Dan Patrick]

but the reason why I said that is because Reggie never won, and he's a Hall of Famer. So he said he would take Draymond's career because he won championships. He won four championships.

[Charles Barkley]

There's no way. No. No disrespect. There's no way I would take Draymond's career over Reggie Miller's. No way. And listen, Reggie can have his own opinion. Reggie Miller has had more historic moments in NBA history. I mean, you go back and look at Reggie.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I was talking about Melo Carmelo.

[Charles Barkley]

Oh, Carmelo Anthony, number one. He won a championship as a freshman in college, which is incredible. And he's. I said Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and James Harden are probably not Michael and Kobe. They're on a whole nother level, okay, as far as scoring. But Kevin Durant, Carmelo, and James Harden are the three best scorers I've seen in the last 30 years. If you need a basket and you can give it to one of those guys, they gonna get you a shot or they're gonna score every time, in my opinion. But listen, man, hey, I wouldn't trade my career for Draymond's. I'm pretty sure Karl Malone wouldn't. I'm pretty sure Patrick Ewing wouldn't. But Draymond's had a really a terrific career. But to think he's on the same level with us as players. You'd have to be crazy to think

[Dan Patrick]

that is There a comp for Jalen Brunson, somebody that he reminds you of who maybe played different era. I find him fascinating to watch.

[Charles Barkley]

You know, it. I, I think what's fascinating about him, nobody knew he was this good like when he was in Dallas. You're like, he's a solid backup. And I've said this and got some heat because I'm not talking about LeBron or somebody like that. But Jalen Bronson has probably been one of the all time great free agent signings. I mean, the Knicks have been relevant since he got there. You know, they were irrelevant for. Since Patrick ewing left probably 20 years. I think Jalen Brunson signing with the Knicks is one of the great free agent signings of all time. I mean, what he, I mean, he makes the Knicks relevant. I mean, they were in the conference finals last year. I mean, and it's not like they have a great team either. I mean, so. But no, I think that's a great question though, about a comp. But I, I just want to say that I think he's been one of the great free agent signings in NBA history, in my opinion.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Because he's not big. You know, he's not.

[Charles Barkley]

He just gets it done. And let me tell you something. You know, people talk about Shea, who's amazing. If you go back and look in the last couple years, there's nobody who've been a better closer than Jalen Brunson in the NBA. He'd been flat, flat out fascinating to watch.

[Dan Patrick]

Which brings us to James Harden. I, I don't know what Cleveland thought when they traded to get him. Like he was going to be a difference maker in the postseason. There's no track record there.

[Charles Barkley]

I looks old then. I'll be the first to admit it. I was 100% wrong.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Charles Barkley]

As right now, I thought when the Cavaliers got James Harden, I thought it made them the favorite in the East. I picked them to win the East. I am, I'm not gonna lie, I am in shock. And you know, when I showed that stat the other night, I saw it. I saw it on, I saw it somewhere. I can't remember where. He's had 29 games where he's had more turnovers than field goals made in a game as a great player. That's one of the most shocking stats I've ever seen on a guy who's gonna be a first ballot hall of Famer. I mean, 29 times, Dan, he's had more turnovers than field goals in a playoff game. That's impossible. I mean, like, I'm like, whoa, you can have a bad turnover game. You can have two, maybe three, but you should, like, you gotta have more. More field goals. But to have it 29 times. And I'm not gonna lie, I was 100% wrong. I picked. I loved. I loved the trade for James Harden. I thought, number one, it would take. It would free up Donovan Mitchell just to score. Cause that's what he wants to do, just score. He don't want to pass the ball, but I thought it would unlock Mobley and Jared Allen and then James. And I thought James would have a flashback where you get you 30 points one game in the playoffs, but he's going to help Mobley and Jared Allen and Donovan can just do what he wants to do, which is score. But it looks like I am 100% wrong on that. In that situation. I. I picked the Cow to get to the finals, and I. I'm. James, I. I'm not gonna lie. I'm in shock how bad he's playing.

[Dan Patrick]

You going to Tahoe again this year, Dan?

[Charles Barkley]

Of course I'm going to Tahoe.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Charles Barkley]

Are you going to be the coward that you are? Won't you come out there, Dan? It's the best week of the year. Wait, listen.

[Dan Patrick]

I am going out there. I'm doing the show again out there.

[Charles Barkley]

Are you gonna play in the tournament?

[Dan Patrick]

I gotta work, Dan.

[Charles Barkley]

We. You don't work on a damn weekend, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, but I work during the week. I mean, we don't.

[Charles Barkley]

We don't play to Friday.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm entertaining a nation. It takes a lot out of me.

[Charles Barkley]

Well, you know what takes a lot out of you, Dan? Them two footers you kept slapping by the hole and talking. You know, when I play at home. These are good, dad. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm not gonna lie.

[Dan Patrick]

That was funny.

[Charles Barkley]

He says, these aren't gimmes. We play. Hey, you miss, like, the first five gimmes, and you're like, they normally give me these at the club. I said, damn, we don't give anything out here, Dan. You. Dan, you had me laughing so hard.

[Dan Patrick]

I know. I just, like, tapped it, didn't go in, and I just picked it up. And Charles, like, what the bleep you doing? I go, wait, that's good. And they go, no, you got to play everything into the hole. I go, oh, damn. Okay. All right.

[Charles Barkley]

Yeah, we can. We'll work around.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, thank you. Will you have. Can I have some gimme putts when I'm out there. No, you just don't give me Dan.

[Charles Barkley]

Hey, Dan. Just for the record, I miss the entire weekend. I probably missed four gimmes. I'm not gonna lie. They lip out, they lift out.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I know, I know. It's easy when you're watching people do it on tv. All right.

[Charles Barkley]

Yes, it is.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll talk to you before Tahoe, but yeah, I'll be out there bringing the show again.

[Charles Barkley]

All right, man. Thanks for having me. You guys take care of yourself, all right?

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, bro.

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