Best of The Week on The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Best of The Week

Podcast Date: May 2, 2026
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A lively, insightful round-up featuring in-depth basketball discussions, pop culture asides, and memorable interviews with Jamal Crawford and Jason Kidd—plus takes on NBA stars and the state of the playoffs, all delivered with Dan Patrick’s trademark humor and camaraderie.

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Episode Highlights & Structure

Pop Culture Opener: Klay Thompson & Megan Thee Stallion

• [02:34] Dan, Marvin, Dylan & Jamal Crawford:
  • The gang jokes about Klay Thompson’s breakup with Megan Thee Stallion, including rumors that Klay renamed his boat after her.
  • Quote (Dan Patrick, [02:44]): “Megan the Stallion is really upset with Klay Thompson. It’s not ending pretty there.”
  • Memorable Moment: Dylan compares renaming a boat after someone to getting a tattoo you need to cover up later.

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Jamal Crawford Interview: Ball Handles, Wemby, and Game-Changers

• [03:38-17:43] Jamal Crawford in conversation with Dan Patrick

Ball Handling Hierarchies

• Jamal reflects on his own skills, shout-outs to ball-handling legends.
• Quote (Jamal Crawford, [04:48]): “I won’t say anybody has a better handle than me, and I won’t say I have a better handle than anybody.”
• Dan & Jamal debate top-five handles: Isaiah Thomas, Kyrie Irving, Pistol Pete, White Chocolate (Jason Williams), Baron Davis, Steve Francis, Chris Paul.
• Insight:
  • Magic Johnson’s handle was about angles and speed, not classic shake-moves.
  • Tim Hardaway’s "crossover" was “in the box”; Iverson and Crawford drove outside their shoulders—“outside the box.”

Working with Victor Wembanyama (Wemby)

• Details on off-season training with Wemby.
• [07:49] Dan: “You work with Wemby over the summer on his handle?”
• Jamal: Focus on handle and footwork; Wemby quick to absorb lessons, watched Dirk Nowitzki finals film together.
• Popovich’s View (per Jamal, [09:01]): “Pop was like, I want him in that nail area... That’s the area that’s going to get him space and he’ll be able to dominate.”

Discussing Game-Changers in NBA History

• Michael Jordan “became above the game” rather than changing it.
• Quote (Jamal, [10:27]): “He made you want to be better at whatever you did.”
• Wemby is a “creative player that creative players would create.”
• Dirk changed the NBA for shooters over 6’10"—used as a model for Wemby, but Steph Curry brought a paradigm shift as a shooter.

The Power of the Mid-Range Jumper

• Jamal’s analogy: “The mid-range is available… It’s like the jab in boxing.”
• Playoff intensity always brings back the value of the mid-range.

Notable Anecdotes

• Jamal’s famous move against Kirk Hinrich was improvised:
  • Quote (Jamal, [13:22]): “I made that move up on the fly… It was absolutely on accident.”
• Jason Williams (“White Chocolate”) discussed for his fun, flashy style and passing ability.

Wemby’s Defensive Impact

• Dan coins “shots discouraged” as a should-be NBA stat for Wemby.
• Jamal emphasizes Wemby’s role as a “tall guard” and his incredible adaptability and intellect, including reading 50 books in a year.
• Draymond Green’s respect for Wemby’s hustle and maturity.

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Jason Kidd Interview: Careers, Legends & Modern Stars

• [25:08-44:43] Jason Kidd (Mavericks head coach, Hall of Famer)

Hypotheticals & Career Reflections

• [25:40] Kidd reveals: Had he not attended Cal, he’d have chosen Kansas due to early exposure and family ties.
• Would rather have Cooper Flag’s (incoming prospect) career than his own; future star potential:
  • Quote (Kidd, [27:21]): “He’s going to be one, too. He’s special…”

Super-Prospect Comparisons

• Validation from Steph Curry & LeBron James about Cooper Flag’s NBA readiness.
• Cooper’s humility and hunger praised.
• Wemby reminds Kidd of a young Kareem Abdul-Jabbar—without the skyhook, but with athletic dominance and basketball IQ.

Ball-Handling “Mount Rushmore” & NBA Debates

• [35:06] Kidd’s Handles List: Isaiah Thomas (Detroit), Kyrie Irving, Rod Strickland, Steve Nash, Jamal Crawford.
• Discussion of "in the box" vs. "outside the box" ball handlers, echoing earlier Jamal Crawford insights.

Stories & NBA Traditions

• Memories of Kobe Bryant: Team USA camaraderie, competitiveness, going head-to-head.
• On facing Michael Jordan:
  • Quote (Kidd, [33:52]): “When you bought a ticket… you were going to leave there very impressed and not disappointed.”
• Steve Nash’s work ethic and practice stories with Kevin Johnson in Phoenix.

NBA History and All-Time Rankings

• Top 10 debates:
  • Jordan (1), LeBron (2), Kobe (3); Steph and Jokic projected to finish top five when they retire.
  • Magic & Larry: “Should take up one slot” for changing the NBA together.
  • Duncan, Shaq, Oscar & Jerry also in the mix—Dan jokes Kidd is stuffing 14 players into a top 10 ([40:01]).
• On rule changes: Kidd originated but had his “jumping out of bounds and calling timeout” move banned.

Fun Closers

• Playful challenge: Dan and Jason plan a free throw contest, still respect Reggie Miller’s ageless shooting.
• Quote (Kidd, [43:22]): “No, it’s true. I got scared and I knew you were a better shooter but I think we should settle it.”

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NBA Playoff Talk & Basketball Culture

• [44:44–49:02]
  • Timberwolves eliminate Nuggets—Dan calls Denver’s exit the “walk of shame.”
  • Knicks/76ers/Celtics debates:
    • Last time Philly beat Boston in the playoffs: 1982.
    • Tyrese Maxey and Joel Embiid's resilience highlighted.
    • Discussion about load management via Embiid’s back-to-backs with playoff consequences.

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Best Watercooler Moments & Quotes

• Jamal on his accidental “Hinrich move” ([13:22]):
  • “That move was absolutely on accident… That’s why you’ve never seen it again.”
• Jason Kidd on pros choosing new stars over his own Hall of Fame career ([27:15]):
  • “Oh, I'm going to take Cooper Flag's career... He’s special.”
• Dan Patrick on Draymond Green’s Steve Kerr take ([56:43]):
  • “If I got Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, and Klay Thompson, I'm not running any plays for you.”
• Kidd on Michael Jordan’s nightly performances ([33:52]):
  • “He always did something special. And so I always thought he was the best at. At his job.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:34] Klay Thompson/Megan Thee Stallion breakup jokes
• [03:38–17:43] Jamal Crawford extended interview: ball handling, Wemby, NBA legends
• [25:08–44:43] Jason Kidd extended interview: prospect hypotheticals, all-time rankings, NBA anecdotes
• [44:44–49:02] Playoff reflections, Celtics/76ers/Knicks rivalry, Embiid’s journey
• [56:13] Draymond Green’s podcast comments on Kerr, Warriors’ offensive pecking order

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Takeaways

• Insightful, sometimes poignant discussions on what makes NBA greats—past and present—impact the game.
• Jamal Crawford & Jason Kidd offer inside looks at the evolution of game skills, mindsets, and legends.
• Dan and staff’s banter weaves humor throughout, notably with pop culture moments and playful self-deprecation.
• The show affirms basketball’s generation-spanning appeal, blending nostalgia with analysis of exciting new talent.

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Transcript

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[Marvin]

I had hope for them.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Didn't he rename his boat the SS St?

[Marvin]

I do not know that I I

[Dan Patrick]

probably follow this a little too much, but Megan the Stallion is really upset with Klay Thompson. It. It's not ending pretty there. Yes. Paul.

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I hadn't heard about any of this. This is wild. I knew they were dating.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh. They were in love. But. Yeah, I think he named his boat. Now you can paint over that.

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[Dan Patrick]

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to give up half the boat.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yes, Dylan.

[Marvin]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

If they were like, tattoos, boat names, you're like, well, I guess I'm either tattooing over this one.

[Dan Patrick]

She actually.

[Dylan]

She was doing Moulin Rouge, I think, on Broadway or something, and she tapped out early, so I think she's having a tough time.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah, but she. She is. Errands of dirty laundry, you like to stay. We somehow make this smooth segue to Jamal Crawford. He gets along with everybody. And you want to weigh in on Megan the Stallion and Klay Thompson.

[Jamal Crawford]

Hey, the boat still has a cool name either way.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I mean, but then people. People would be like, oh, what's a stallion? I mean, then you have to answer. It's. Now you can say, well, I. They call me the Stallion. You don't have to bring up Megan the.

[Jamal Crawford]

Exactly. If Dan Patrick knows about that story, I'm sure others do as well.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, I have to apologize because I dismissed your ball handling skills because I always looked at you as a scorer.

[Jamal Crawford]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

And Marvin would send me videos of you playing in summer leagues or in NBA games. And I, He. He jogged my memory. And I'm like, oh, my God. You got handles that are probably Amongst the top 10 handles in NBA history.

[Jamal Crawford]

So you believe that. So I should thank Marvin for what happened?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yes, Mark, thank you. Thank you for, for. Dan knows about, you know, Meg and Clay, but not about the handles.

[Dan Patrick]

Who has a better handle than you?

[Jamal Crawford]

I won't say anybody has a better. Better handle than me, and I won't say I have a better handle than anybody. But there was a realm of people. Always give Isaiah Thomas his credit because that's what I watched growing up. Kyrie, Pistol Pete, White Chocolate. I think, like, Baron Davis has an underrated hair handle. Steve Francis, a lot of guys like that.

[Dan Patrick]

Chris Paul. Okay. Yeah. Kyrie is given credit, I think, by most people having the best handles, certainly in traffic, which is really. I want to see your handle in traffic. Anybody can dribble when they're out there by themselves.

[Jason Kidd]

So.

[Jamal Crawford]

So who's your top five handles the better question?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I did see Maravich play in person, and he was actually underrated. I think people forget just Pete was so far ahead of his time. Did Magic have a great handle?

[Jamal Crawford]

Not in the traditional sense that we're talking about. Like they can shake it. Magic was more angles, speeds. He'll bump you. He'll get the angle and he'll speed up. And that's where the Showtime magic was. A whole movement. But it wasn't the handle part that I would remember most about.

[Dan Patrick]

What about Tim Hardaway?

[Jamal Crawford]

He would be up there. The killer crossover, the UTEP two step, his crossover was like. It was right after Isaiah, so it was still like really in the box. What I mean by that is myself, Iverson, we drove it outside of our shoulders, so we stayed outside the box. Hardaway, Isaiah, Thomas, they stayed in the box. But Kyrie does a little bit of both. And that's what makes him ridiculous.

[Dan Patrick]

That's interesting when you say in the box, because that's tight quarters and.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

And you're shaking somebody. And Timmy's. I mean, that crossover was killer. Now he. He would bump you a little bit with his off is off arm.

[Jamal Crawford]

I saw that this summer at Hoops, the gym, playing with him and Michael Jordan, he was at the heat at the time. I saw all the bumps. And I was a. A young guy coming up. So we have some battles there.

[Dan Patrick]

Did Jordan. Jordan have a good handle?

[Jamal Crawford]

His handle was. It was to him like he would surprise you with a crossover, but his footwork was so good that it made the handle better. So if he got to a spot and then he update started doing his footwork, that's what made his handle special. But it wasn't like the handle like we're talking about.

[Dan Patrick]

What was the scouting report on Jordan?

[Jamal Crawford]

Don't make him mad. You heard about make him mad. He's all personal. Everything's personal. You know that, Dan, I was watching the. Last heard your voice off, you know that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah, that was it. Just don't make him mad.

[Jamal Crawford]

Don't make him mad. I mean, he was just so possessed. And we talk about talent, we talk about people that can shoot or can do this or that. His competitive spirit alone would have beat 99 of the players who ever played. Just how competitive he was and everything.

[Dan Patrick]

You work with Wemby over the summer on his handle?

[Jamal Crawford]

Yep.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah, I did a couple summers ago, but he tried last summer and I couldn't. I was actually coaching. But yeah, we. We're connected for the future as well.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Are you going to work out with him this offseason?

[Jamal Crawford]

I'm Pretty sure we'll lock in and get. If he has time. I mean, if he wants his championship and goes on this run, he goes home. But yeah, I'm sure in the future we'll work together.

[Dan Patrick]

But what are you working on specifically with Wembanyama?

[Jamal Crawford]

Well, with him, a lot of it was. Was the handle, of course, but it was the footwork as well. And the footwork translates everywhere. If you're at the top of the key with the handle, if you're in the midpost area, if you're by the block. What people don't really realize about handle is the ones who are really special with their handle. Their footwork matches their handle. So we work on his footwork every single area.

[Dan Patrick]

And.

[Jamal Crawford]

And I have to say, he was. He probably downloaded things the fastest. Like, if I say something, he's like, got it and can do it immediately. People I've worked with before, it may take a couple weeks, a couple months. He could do it in five minutes. It was. It was. I've never seen anything like it.

[Dan Patrick]

But what does he need to add to his offensive game?

[Jamal Crawford]

That's a great question. At that time, I thought it was the mid post area because I thought where he was going in the playoffs, I thought, and I'll tell you this because you're. I mean, a legend, I'll tell you. But when I. When he reached out to me, I reached out to Pop and I asked Pop, like, hey, where do you see him going? Because I didn't want him doing my stuff. And they don't want stuff if it wasn't going to fit in the spur system, all right. I didn't want him up there rolling on the ground and doing that. So Pop was like, I want him in that nail area. I want him in that dark area because I know where we're going. You know, that's the area that's going to get him space and he'll be able to dominate. And so that was a huge focus as well, is putting him in those areas. And we watched film. We watched film with a player. We're going to kind of mimic that night for the second workout.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you think about guys who change the game. You mentioned Magic changed the game. I mean, you can go back to probably Bob Cousy changed the game. There's certain guys who change the game when they came along. Steph Curry has changed the game.

[Jamal Crawford]

Absolutely.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know if. Did Michael change the game because he didn't have that signature. Like. Like Steph changed. He had more of an impact on basketball than anybody, I think, because everybody thinks they can shoot threes now. Nobody thought they could jump like Mike, be like Mike. But I, I, I'm just curious the number because Wemby feels like he's going to change the game.

[Jamal Crawford]

To answer the first part, Mike to me didn't change the game. He, in a way, he became above the game. It was almost like he, he transcended sport in a way where you wanted to be like, be like Mike. I didn't care what you did. Soccer, football, baseball. He inspired boxing. Whatever it was, he inspired it. Except Mike Tyson when they ran into each other. But he inspired everybody else in every single thing. So he made you want to be better at whatever you did. So that was Mike. So he was a little bit above the game. Wimby always say this. He was the creative player that creative players would create. So for example, if, if LeBron and Katie were playing 2K and they're like, Man, I want this 7:3 dude, 7:4 dude who can shoot with handles, who can run like a gazelle, like, it would be Wimby. He's the one that they would create to play if they were just playing around a video game.

[Dan Patrick]

Did Dirk Nowitzki change the game?

[Jamal Crawford]

He did from the standpoint of shooting. Because at that point, for, for somebody that shot that good, it was like Larry Bird, 6, 9, 6 10. Dirk was. Dirk's championship run is really one of the great ones in recent memory. It was so underrated for what he did and how he did it, who he was going against with that great team. And at that time, like Jason Terry, a six man, was probably his second best scorer. Right. And he just kind of put them on their back. And actually that was a person. I show a video to Wimby. We're watching Dirk in that finals run. We're watching the areas he was dominating and how he was doing it. But yeah, Dirt changed the game in a small way. I don't think he'll get credit like Steph will.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, and that mid range, I mean, Kevin Durant's made a Hall of Fame career out of that mid range jumper. And it feels like, and I always encourage players, take it. If they're giving it to you, take it. And, and Durant has done that.

[Jamal Crawford]

Well, Dan, if I tell you I'm gonna, I'm gonna drive to your, to your studio. And you're like, hey, the freeway is probably the quickest way, but right now it's a car accident. So it's backed up, I'm Gonna give you some streets to go through. I'm gonna go through the streets right now. The mid range is available because everybody's trying to take out threes and layups. It's like the jab in boxing. I think it keeps the defensive honest. Could you imagine if Shay couldn't play in the mid range? Or Michael Jordan or LeBron or KD? And it's funny, in the most important times of the season, the playoffs, nobody talks about, oh, that's a bad shot. It's like, no, move that scoreboard any way you can. The best players I ever seen dominate the mid range because it's hard to double team there. And you keep people so off balance with that shot.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Jamal Crawford, I love talking to you.

[Jamal Crawford]

And why did it take so long? Yeah, you're giving Ridge all the love right now.

[Dan Patrick]

You're right. You're right. It's an open invite. And now that Marvin has let me know that I missed out on your handles. God, I cannot. I can't believe it.

[Jamal Crawford]

There's YouTube. You can still go back.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, I. Marvin sends me videos. I'm being honest. Yes, Marv.

[Marvin]

The move against Kirk Heinrich is easily one of the five nastiest moves in the history of the NBA.

[Jamal Crawford]

Marv, I'm gonna tell you this. I played with Kirk in Chicago when he kind of knew how my handle pattern would go. And I made that move up on the fly. I was literally coming down court saying, what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? And I did it. And I was like, what? I do? And that's why you've never seen it again? Because I never mastered it. It was actually absolutely on accident. So I appreciate that.

[Dan Patrick]

Why has it got to be against the white guy, Marvin, that you're going to single that out?

[Marvin]

Oh, man, I'm sorry. I mean, he got Wes Matthews, he got Ray Allen. I mean, he was an equal opportunity.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah, I was an equal opportunity ankle taker. I didn't. I didn't care about that.

[Dan Patrick]

Jason Williams had a. That. Now that was a fun handle. Everything about, you know, and his ability to pass as well, when you factor that in, you can have a handle. But he was. He used his handle to create opportunities, it felt like, for his teammates.

[Jamal Crawford]

And he was so fun to watch. Like, he, He. His entertainment value was just unbelievable. And he had a totally different skip and rhythm to his hand. I'll tell you a funny story. When I was a rookie, Chris Weber obviously was playing with sack at the time, and he knew how to handle it. Was in the layup line, and Chris got Jason Williams's attention. Like, look. Look at Jamal. I'm like, almost age. I don't even know what combination I did, but I was trying to show Jay Will that I had a handle as well. And getting those approval. Yeah, you can dribble. I didn't play that night, but I went home and told everybody. Jay Will.

[Marvin]

So

[Dan Patrick]

I want to add this to NBA terminology. Shots discouraged.

[Jamal Crawford]

Okay?

[Dan Patrick]

So Wemby, you know, he discourages a lot of shots. They. They should keep a stat of shots discouraged. And I mean, maybe it's only a stat for Wemby because I love watching him play, but the number of shots that he discourages, not even blocks, but discourages from you even taking the shots,

[Jamal Crawford]

well, he scares you. He's almost like the big kid as a kid. You have to check his birth certificate to see if he's really that age. Like, he's setting you up. He'll turn his back like, go ahead and shoot. No, I'm going to get it. He's. He's like something I've never seen before. And what I figured out about him is working with him. He's a big. But he's really a tall guard. Like, I thought I was a tall guard at 6 foot 5. And then you saw guys like Durant, McGrady who were taller than me that can really handle the ball. And then he just took it to somewhere we never thought would take it. When you see him, Dan, what excites you about him?

[Dan Patrick]

I. I just. I. I looked at his touch, you know, that, that when he shoots, I wanted to see form, I wanted to see rotation, I wanted to see touch. Obviously, the defensive stuff was there. When he first got to San Antonio, I said, you got to get him a point guard to put him in position to score.

[Jamal Crawford]

Right, right. We all did. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

And it felt like he was. He'd get down. You know, when you. You see a deer, you know, when it's born, and it's kind of. Kind of stumbling a little bit, he didn't know where to set up. And I kept thinking, he's already an A on the defensive end, but he was probably a B minus on the offensive end. And I said, boy, if he ever gets up to where he's going to be the best player in the sport, he'll be the face of the sport. And that. That's happening maybe a little quicker than people thought.

[Jamal Crawford]

So much quicker in the way he thinks. Like, the dinners we went to were even more impressive than the Encore work. Like he read 50 books last year and he didn't even tell me that stats, that's a book a week that he read last year. Like he's a, a brilliant, brilliant young man. It feels like you're talking to somebody much older. But just the way he. He's almost like, we know the freaky stuff he does, but the role player type things he does.

[Draymond Green]

He sprints.

[Jamal Crawford]

Every single time he sprints into a screen. If he doesn't get the ball, he's not mad, he's sprinting back, he'll run for rotation. He like he, Everything he does, it's like he plays with the energy. He's trying to make the team. Oh, by the way, it's crazy. It's crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

But that's what the NBA should show at the rookie seminar is that guy wants to play and be great every night. There's no load management. I mean, a blood clot stopped him, but not much else. You know, if he gets banged up a little bit, which he will as a big man. But I love that he wants to play and he wants to be great. He wants to be the mvp. He wants to be the defensive player of the year.

[Jamal Crawford]

To be that young, just take out the stuff he does. Just to be that age, most guys are just trying to establish himself. He's already so far down the road that he's like, no, I understand my responsibility to the game itself. We have to grow this game. We have to, you know, make this game. Look at the USA versus the world game. He made that single handedly competitive man we've been to be competitive. Like, he understands the responsibility. I saw a picture of Joker the last time they played and Joker went off and they won. But there was a picture of Joker kind of looking up at Wendy smiling like. And I said, joker feels like how we do when we watch him. This is the first time he's like really excited. Like, oh my, I have somebody to keep me engaged in the game. Like a whole different thing.

[Dan Patrick]

What happens if the Pistons bow out?

[Jamal Crawford]

I'm going to be honest, I thought they would lose in the first round. And I know Paulo's a Seattle guy. I just did. Because I thought once you put two on on Cade, as good as he is, who else is going to consistently be able to be a playmaker? Consistently. Because if, you know in the playoffs, they want to take out your first two options, Cade's gone. Who else can do it consistently to beat a team? And I wasn't sure they could do it in a playoff setting.

[Dan Patrick]

Has Peyton Pritchard played in your pro am league?

[Jamal Crawford]

He has not. And he's close by. He's in Oregon in the summer. So I tried to get it, but I got. I think I got to make it happen. I think if I just tell him you only get to shoot shots where the quarter's about to end. I think that excitement.

[Dan Patrick]

I send Marvin summer league videos of Peyton Pritchard playing, and he. He. That's why this shouldn't be a surprise, what he's doing with Boston, like, if you even in college. He was a great scorer in college. But I would send those videos to Marvin and Peyton Pritchard. He's. He can be nasty.

[Jamal Crawford]

He absolutely can. You guys, are you guys changing notes now? You're like, okay, here's Crawford. Let me show you this. I see what you did. Great. Because he hired some of his friends, right? And he hired them that play basketball. Just the garden of the summer, all different sizes of guys. Six, seven.

[Marvin]

Okay?

[Jamal Crawford]

This guy's six two, this guy's six four. And he had to figure it out. So it slows the game down for you. That was a brilliant way to train as well. So it makes sense why he's tough to guard.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait a minute. He hired various, you know, friends of varying sizes to guard him.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah. And all they do is go or summer. And he has to figure out, okay, this guy likes to do this, this guy does this. And it's a huge advantage because you're seeing people from different, you know, athleticism, standpoints, and everything else.

[Dan Patrick]

Great to talk to you always.

[Jamal Crawford]

You're the man.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Jamal Crawford. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app

[Marvin]

Stugats here.

[Stugots]

I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow, and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stegots and company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.

[Dan Patrick]

I love you guys show. It's one of my favorites.

[Stugots]

A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugotson Co. And Stugouts Co. Live. So listen to Stegotson Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugats Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Dan Patrick]

He's the Mavericks head coach Jason Kidd back on the program. Before we get to you, Jace, let me go around the room. The if he didn't go to Cal game, where would Jason Kidd have gone to college? Todd, I'll start with you. The Arizona State Sun Devils. Okay. Dylan.

[Dylan]

Ucla.

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin.

[Marvin]

Kansas.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul?

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[Dan Patrick]

I'm gonna say the Kansas Jayhawks.

[Jason Kidd]

You're right. DP Yep.

[Dan Patrick]

You were going to Kansas.

[Jason Kidd]

I was going to Kansas.

[Dan Patrick]

How did you tell. Who was it? Who Was Roy Williams there?

[Jason Kidd]

Yeah, Roy was there. I at the eighth grade I went to the KU basketball camp. So Larry Brown was the coach. Danny, Manny, they had just won the national championship. And so that's, that's when I was introduced to ku and that's where I was going to go until I made the decision to stay home to go to Cal.

[Dan Patrick]

And I remember you played a game in Allen Field House.

[Jason Kidd]

We did. We lost the Fall Goddess. But what a great atmosphere.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Kidd]

When you talk just the, the fans, they definitely have home court, but that's, you know, my dad was from there. So at the age of 12, 13, I went to basketball camp and I was playing with the 8th graders and then during camp they asked me would I go and play with the high school kids and I was all excited. Thinking I was going to be playing in Allen Field House, and unfortunately, they took me down the street, and I was a little upset that we were leaving the main court, and so I wish I was staying with the 8th graders, but that's when I was introduced to playing with the high school kids.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, would you rather have your career or Cooper Flag's career moving forward?

[Jason Kidd]

Oh, I'm gonna take Cooper Flag's career.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, you're a Hall of Famer?

[Jason Kidd]

Well, he's going to be one, too. He's. He's special when you talk about being drafted at the age of 18 and now being 19, but just the way he carries himself, you know, on and off the floor. His parents have done an incredible job of keeping him humble and hungry, and so I think his career is going to be way better than mine.

[Dan Patrick]

When did you know that? Okay, he's real.

[Jason Kidd]

I asked two future hall of Famers, Curry and. And LeBron, because he participated with Team USA, and so I wanted to know the truth. And so I went to those two and asked him, can Cooper play? And they both said, he's very special. And so talking to Cooper, I had him over for dinner, and I said, hey, when you were Team usa, who were the hardest to guard? And he brought up Curry and. And LeBron? And so I was just like, yeah, those two are hard to guard. But he goes, they just knew exactly what was going to happen before it happened. And I said, that just takes time. But those two are the ones that stood out. He said those were the hardest to guard. And I asked those two about Cooper and he. And they said that he's very special. And I. I thought, you know, listening to those guys. But once he. I gave him the ball. You know, early on, I knew that this young man was going to do something special.

[Dan Patrick]

I think I was critical of you that you had him at point guard to start, and I thought he hadn't played point guard, and I thought, wow, he's going to be the leader of the team, and now you're going to make him a point guard. And I don't know if he struggled a little bit there as a point guard, but when did you know that he could actually be a point guard, forward, or whatever you want to call it?

[Jason Kidd]

Yeah, I think when you look at, you know, sometimes we get caught up in the titles. Point guard, point forward, it becomes basketball. Can you bring the ball up? Can you make plays? Decision making? And. And I thought for him, you could see that he understood the game at a very high level at the age of 18, but understand guys were going to target him and pick him up full court. And so we wanted to kind of look at speeding up the process if there's a big game in the future. Playoffs are playing. Will we have another ball handler if they took the ball out of Kai's hand. And so we were trying to think a little bit of ahead and it, it worked out and it's all right to be critical of someone's decision, but I, I think it helped the process for next season and years to come that we can rely on him getting us in the offense.

[Dan Patrick]

You can have Cooper flag or Victor Wembanyama.

[Jason Kidd]

Can I have both?

[Dan Patrick]

You had to tank earlier, you know, to get Wemby, you know, a couple years earlier. Yeah. How. Who does he remind you of?

[Jason Kidd]

He, you know, Kareem a little bit. A young, a young Kareem at UCLA being so dominant, doesn't have the sky hook, but just the athleticism, understands the game. Again, when you talk about these young players, their IQ of understanding how to play the game. And he's one that's playing the game at a very high level. Shoots the three, puts the ball on the floor, doesn't have to jump the dunk, it doesn't have to jump the block shots. And so just understanding he, again, he, he's special. And I think the league with these young stars are in great hands.

[Dan Patrick]

Has OKC morphed into being a dynasty

[Jason Kidd]

this season? This, this run, this playoff run, Will, will be able to answer that question? If they are the last team standing, I would say yes.

[Dan Patrick]

How good are they? Like if I, we always love to go, oh, they as good as the Bulls here or the Celtics here or the Lakers here. Is OKC in that conversation? If they win another.

[Jason Kidd]

I think if they win another title, they're in that San Antonio spurs type dynasty, you know, again, simple, not flashy plays. They, they play both sides of the ball defensively and offensively, and then they have a star and the star is about the team. And so I would look at them more in that San Antonio dynasty.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Jason Kidd, the Hall of Famer, Mav's head coach. You were with the Lakers two years as an assistant coach?

[Jason Kidd]

Yes, sir.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. What's your favorite memory of Kobe?

[Jason Kidd]

Oh, favorite memory of Kobe. I think playing with him on Team usa, that was, you know, to be able to be with him for, you know, two months, you know, and playing the game, being able to see him compete in practice and the way he just went about his business was special. The other memory I have is not so, so good because I had blonde hair and I think he. He made a jump shot at the free throw line over me. I thought I contested it, but I was coming down and he was still up there. So just, just the competition, he. He loved going against the best. He wasn't afraid, and he was the ultimate winner.

[Dan Patrick]

But you were there. I mean, you played against everybody did. Was. Was Kobe talking trash?

[Jason Kidd]

Kobe, if you, if you got on his nerves or you were going to talk to him, he was going to talk back. A lot of times for me, it wasn't to talk to the, to the stars. I wasn't going to try to get them motivated. I wanted them to kind of like just go through their, their routine and get their average and go home. But if you were going to talk trash, he wasn't going to back down, and then he would let you have it. So I tried to go the opposite way. Just say hi and, you know, see you next time.

[Dan Patrick]

You got in the league at Peak Jordan, what, 94?

[Jason Kidd]

Yes, sir. He was. He's special, you know, being able to play against MJ again, the best to ever do it. The one thing I always tell people about MJ is when you bought a ticket that you were going to leave there very impressed and not disappointed. And so, you know, if you were at the Garden or, you know, in Boston, if you were in Golden State, you know, he always performed at a very high level. And so I don't know if people really understood, you know, the performance that he did on a nightly basis. When you paid, you know, you were entertained. He always did something special. And so I always thought he was the best at. At his job.

[Dan Patrick]

We had Jamal Crawford on yesterday. We're talking about handles, who had the best handle. And he talked about, Kyrie talked about. We talked about a variety of players with great handles. You, Tim Hardaway, he talked about guys who had a handle in the box, like Hardaway was in the box where other guys have. Iverson had a handle that was outside the box. Who. If you're giving me the Mount Rushmore of best ball handlers, who would you put up there?

[Jason Kidd]

Isaiah Thomas, Detroit Isaiah. Kyrie. I'm gonna give you one that a lot of people don't talk about is Ross Strickland. Oh, Stricky was, you know, his handle and his finishing was incredible. I'm gonna go with Steve Nash. Nash. Nash was in the box. He only dribbled it twice, but. Because he was always passing it. But I thought his handles were Tight, too. And then Jamal Crawford, even though he could get outside the box, he can, he can embarrass you inside the box too. So I think that's, that's Mount Rushmore for me. But those, the Isaiah and Kai are the best that I've seen.

[Dan Patrick]

What were the battles like when you're with Phoenix? You're there. Kevin Johnson's there, Steve Nash is there. So you got three hall of Fame point guards there. What was practice like?

[Jason Kidd]

It was great because me and Nash got to practice all the time because Kevin was on the sideline reading the newspaper.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, he wasn't pr. He didn't practice?

[Jason Kidd]

Yeah, he practiced. He, he was a vet, so he would practice when he wanted to. But me and Nash got most of the reps.

[Dan Patrick]

But imagine you got three. Did you guys know that Nash could play?

[Jason Kidd]

Yes. Nash is a gym. Right. I got, I knew Nash could play when I was at Cal in Santa Clara. We would have battles. And so understanding Nash's competitiveness, his, his work ethic is like no other. He's a gym rat. And so for both of us to come off the bench behind Kevin, we got to learn the game. But I knew at once Nash got the opportunity to run his team. He was going to be elite, and he was a two time MVP and Hall of Famer. But we did have to come off the bench and sometimes our minutes were cut because of Kevin.

[Dan Patrick]

You got credit for inventing the. You're jumping out of bounds and calling a timeout. But they don't allow that anymore, right?

[Jamal Crawford]

They banned it?

[Jason Kidd]

Yeah, they banned that. I don't know why.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, how did you come up with that?

[Jason Kidd]

I looked at it as just having an extra possession, you know, and I don't know if the coach really liked me, you know, burning a timeout, but I felt, you know, a lot of times that the possession was important and it was our ball to be able to score.

[Dan Patrick]

But you did this account.

[Jason Kidd]

I think I, I probably did it a lot, probably in high school, and probably my coaches didn't like that. We, I was burning timeouts when jumping out of bounds.

[Dan Patrick]

We. I have a court here in my man cave. But we, we practice that sometimes where ball's going out of bounds and then we catch it and then we do the quick 22nd time out there.

[Jason Kidd]

I wish they would bring the 22nd timeout back.

[Dan Patrick]

There's too many timeouts as there is Jason. You know, have you ever had a timeout where you go, I got nothing to say? Yeah,

[Jason Kidd]

it's real simple. Like what Else can I say, like, we can't stop their play or. Yeah, you guys are rolling. I don't want. I don't want to get in the way, so let's keep it going.

[Dan Patrick]

Is Joker in the top 10 of all time category?

[Jason Kidd]

I think when he's done, he could be even high as five.

[Dan Patrick]

Where's Steph?

[Jason Kidd]

Steph. Steph is going to be in the top five, too.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Jason Kidd]

When you, when you talk about when he's, when he decides to retire, Steph and Joker have the opportunity to be in the top five all time.

[Dan Patrick]

Durant

[Jason Kidd]

top ten.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. LeBron two. So Mike one.

[Jason Kidd]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

LeBron two.

[Jason Kidd]

Yes. Kobe.

[Dan Patrick]

Kobe three.

[Jason Kidd]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Jason Kidd]

And then if it end. If you had to end it today would be Joker and. And Steph.

[Dan Patrick]

Dang. Okay. You got to take some people out. Like, are we taking Magic and Larry out of the top 10?

[Jason Kidd]

Yeah.

[Jamal Crawford]

No.

[Jason Kidd]

Well, yeah, they. They'll be in the top. They could be in the top 15. It's okay. It's all right. They're still good. They're still really good. Don't get me wrong.

[Dan Patrick]

Tim Duncan, top 10.

[Jason Kidd]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, that was a quick answer. Shaq, top 10?

[Jason Kidd]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. You know you're going to end up with 14 guys in the top 10.

[Jason Kidd]

That's okay. We. We just stuff them in and out.

[Dan Patrick]

It feels like Oscar and Jerry should be together, like Magic and Larry.

[Jason Kidd]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

They should take up one slot.

[Jason Kidd]

I, I agree with you, dp. I think that they should take up one slot. When you talk about Magic and. And Larry because of what they did for the game for us, I think they should. They should be tied together.

[Dan Patrick]

When's the last time you played pickup?

[Jason Kidd]

That's actually when I was assistant in la. I played pickup because Rondo needed. They needed an extra body, so I thought I would jump in there and I tore my meniscus. It was an all bad idea. It was a great idea until. Until that happened.

[Dan Patrick]

Great to talk to you again and I appreciate it.

[Jason Kidd]

It's always good to see you, dp.

[Dan Patrick]

What do you got in the office that I would care about? Like the. What's over your left shoulder? The trophy, second shelf right there. What is the.

[Jamal Crawford]

This one?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jason Kidd]

That's the Rookie of the year. Yes. I would say Cooper flags. Rookie year trophy is way better.

[Dan Patrick]

It's nicer.

[Jason Kidd]

Very nice.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you know, I, I think I told you this. I changed my vote for rookie of the year that year.

[Jason Kidd]

Did you?

[Dan Patrick]

And it ended up a tie with you and Grant Hill.

[Jason Kidd]

You changed it for. For me or Grant, I think I

[Dan Patrick]

changed it for granted. I think I changed it that morning that votes had to be in. And I go, God, I'm back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. Can I change it back now? Can I change it back now so you would win it?

[Jason Kidd]

No, I rather be tied with Grant. I. I like being tied to Grant. Grant had an incredible NBA career, but again, that year, I thought he won it, to be honest, because he had incredible year and he was putting up big numbers. And so when I got the call that we died. You're the reason why we died.

[Dan Patrick]

I know. You should get it half the year and then he gets it half of the year.

[Jason Kidd]

He probably would keep it the whole time. Yeah, I couldn't down. But it. It was an honor. It was honor.

[Dan Patrick]

Enjoy the off season. Thanks for joining us.

[Jason Kidd]

Hey, I have one thing.

[Dan Patrick]

What?

[Jason Kidd]

Can I just say happy birthday to one of my assistant coaches, Eric Hughes. He listens and watches your show every day. Not that I don't, but I just wanted to wish him a happy birthday today.

[Dan Patrick]

Does Eric know about our shooting contest? That you bowed out? You know, Jim Jackson didn't believe me when I told him that story. I said, I swear to God, I. I flew to Dallas to shoot three pointers against you, and you got sick during practice and went home. And Jim Jackson said that I was making it up.

[Jason Kidd]

No, it's true. I got scared and I knew you were a better shooter, but I think we should settle it. I think we're both a little bit older.

[Dan Patrick]

No, you're better now. No, because you. You learned how to shoot threes. Yeah, I. And I have no my. You know, I. I can't get you now.

[Jason Kidd]

We'll do Fritos.

[Dan Patrick]

I could do. I could get you free throws.

[Jason Kidd]

Oh, and the. May I do it at the man cave? We'll do free throws.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. You know who can still shoot? Reggie.

[Jason Kidd]

Oh, yes. I mean, when he's gonna be 70, he's gonna be able to still shoot it.

[Dan Patrick]

It is. It's amazing to watch when we've been shooting around and he just gets there and it is nothing to him to make 10 in a row.

[Jason Kidd]

It's. It's incredible, the shooting. You know, everybody has a different shot and his is different, but his is all net. And he's incredible to watch shoot, too.

[Dan Patrick]

But nobody's close to. Steph is the greatest shooter of all time.

[Jason Kidd]

I. I wouldn't say no one's close. He is number one. And there is a little space, but like Reggie Ray There is some great shooters that have been in this league and the young gentleman who came in second, Canippo, is another one who can shoot it.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, I'll let you go. Great to talk to you again. Thanks bud.

[Jamal Crawford]

I appreciate it.

[Jason Kidd]

Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

Dan so there's chimichura, chimichurri, wagyu, ribeye tacos, pork carnitas tacos, lobster tostados and spicy Miller lighter Ritas. So a margarita with Miller Light.

[Dylan]

That's it.

[Dan Patrick]

All of the meat provided by Heartland Steak Company. Go to the website there. Got great deals for you. Taste the Heartland difference. We'll pick our Kentucky Derby winner coming up. We know absolutely nothing about horse racing. Nothing. Now, I used to cover the Preakness in the Belmont. I think three or four years in a row that I would go to those races. When I was working in New York at cnn when I was a reporter, I'd go to those. And of course, you're going in there, and there are certain sports where, you know, who knows that sport and who's just coming in? And I was one of those guys just coming in because I. You know, terminology. You got to make sure you get everything right. You're just. I remember talking to the legendary trainer Woody Stevens. Oh, I think that I'm. I'm doing well. You know, I'm kind of holding. Holding my own with him. Horse racing lexicon language. We get done. And a PR person for the New York Racing association came up, and he goes, hey, next time, you made a couple mistakes here. You know, referring to, like, the Big A. Aqueduct. And. And I was. I was saying that, like, oh, man, you know, out there, the Big A. Well, Woody Stevens wasn't out at the Big. Like, just. I was in over my head. And then I realized, you know what? Just talk about what you know, and then let people tell you what you need to know. Instead of me trying to act like, oh, yeah, you know, he comes out of the four hole. Then I find out that there was a. A horse who was blind in one eye, okay, And. And his name was Patch. So they had a horse who ran in the derby. And this was brought up on the gambling podcast yesterday. Sammy P. Who joined us. Oh, by the way, controversy on the gambling podcast yesterday because Bad Larry quit. So it's Shay and Irving. It's Dylan. Big day. Ray produces it. Sammy P. Came in. He's a professional gambler. And we have Bad Larry. Well, Bad Larry. Well, this is how it sounded yesterday. DP Takes a gamble. Bad Larry quit. Why don't you take my place, Ray? Oh, hold on, hold on. Pump the brakes there. Wait, did you just. Did you just quit? I offered it to Ray last week.

[Jamal Crawford]

What?

[Dan Patrick]

This is news to me. I'll take it. Sammy, take my spot, please. So Bad Larry retiring. Please take it the rest of the way. Now he's better than us, Dan. Wow. You think it was fun?

[Jason Kidd]

Wow.

[Dan Patrick]

There's my boys right there. Okay, well, why don't we just. Larry, I'm sorry we were a burden to you. Yeah.

[Dylan]

If you want us at our football, Larry, then you have to have us at our Palantir off season.

[Dan Patrick]

Jack, we'll chat in a little bit. Why don't we just hang up on Larry? Why don't we just say goodbye? That would be great. Okay, that's it. Larry's done. That was it. After 300 episodes. Bad Larry bells out yesterday.

[Dylan]

He did the I'm.

[Dan Patrick]

You don't fire me.

[Dylan]

I quit.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, I did call him later and I said, what's going on? He goes, I, I, I'm just, I, I can't do it. You know, I, I can do football, but, you know, I don't want to talk about Taylor Swift's next boyfriend and bet on that, you know. And I said, okay, because I'm just busy, you know, traveling and I'm not there in studio. I said, okay, all right. I said, all right, you, you're done. We're going to treat you as if you're done. And then if you want to join us during football season at any point, you can come in for a little cameo. And he goes, that'd be great. So he did quit yesterday. Yes. Still.

[Dylan]

Yeah. And that was not rehearsed. That was everyone's first time hearing Larry quit.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Because I didn't realize. I'm like, oh, come on. I didn't know that he was planning, you know, this palace coup the previous week where he told Big Ray, the Big Ray, big Day Ray, the producer. And so we'll see, we'll see if we can get somebody to come in and sit in the seat where Larry should have been. Yes, Dill.

[Dylan]

There's an empty chair waiting for someone.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, Paul.

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And that horse you mentioned, Patch.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

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That was the 2018 Kentucky Derby. A one eyed horse. He had an eye, both eyes for a long time, but then he had an illness and had an eye removed in 2016. He was 30 to 1 to win the 18 race and he finished 14th with one eye.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the problem is those who bet him didn't realize that his good eye was his outside on his right eye. He was just seeing the grandstand and no other horses. He thinks he's doing really well and if he had been in on the rail, he would have seen all the horses and that would have helped him kind of navigate. So Patch can't see any of the other horses. He thinks he's doing great.

[Dylan]

Where is everyone?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it feels like he's Usain Bolt. I'M doing this with one eye. Yes. Yes. Todd. Do we know. I don't know what kind of studies are shown. Do horses just run as fast as

[Marvin]

they can or do they, are they

[Dan Patrick]

really aware of the other horses? Obviously you don't want to step on another horse, but, but do they really understand that? I don't. I, I. How about we just stay in our lane here? This is a serious question. Do they understand that this is a competition and a lot of money's at stake and I got to beat these other horses. I got to get there first. Stay in. Just, let's just stay in our lane when it comes to this horse racing.

[Dylan]

They're just waiting to get to the stud fee portion of their career, I guess.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, but yes, they do know. And there are horses who have had great rivalries. Affirmed in Alidar. Felt like, you know, they, they were competing with each other. They trash talk in the barn and

[Jason Kidd]

all that kind of stuff.

[Dan Patrick]

What'd you call me? Thank you, Todd. So that happened yesterday. That was big news on the gambling podcast that Bad Larry has, has stepped down. Probably not the craziest thing that was said yesterday. Draymond Green has a podcast, the Draymond Green show, and he talked about Steve Kerr's role in his career.

[Draymond Green]

As much as he's done for me in basketball, a part of me think he's hindered me in my career and what I could have become. Now, when KD came from 2016 on, I have not had a play in our playbook, not a single play that we run for me in our playbook since 2016. But if you're going to take one gripe and not be able to move past it for all the other things, then you're shallow as a person. That says more about you as a person than it does about Steve or whoever else. In that instant, you got to take the good with the bad man.

[Dan Patrick]

So Draymond thinks he's a 30 point scorer, that Steve held him back, that he didn't run plays for him. All I know is if I got Kevin Durant, Steph Curry and Klay Thompson, I'm not running any plays for you. I'm sorry. I could make a case that Draymond hindered Steve Kerr's career, certainly in one playoff series. Like, if, if, if we want to talk about all these things, you know, Draymond is a wonderful player. He was the right player at the right time for the right team. If he played in Atlanta, no one would care. I mean, Robert Horry told us the Rockets never ran a play for him. Big shot Bob, a guy that you would run plays for because he is a knockdown, cold blooded killer at the end of a game. And he said they never ran a play for him. What play are you running for, Draymond? And once again, if I look at my first three options, I'm not getting to my fourth option. Yes.

[Marvin]

Marvin, there's no way. I have maybe the most unstoppable offensive force ever in Kevin Durant. Wait, wait, wait. Katie, you hold on. We're going to run this pick and roll play for Draymond Green. Absolutely not. No. You set the offense up. That's what you're great at. Like, he was basically the point guard on that team.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Marvin]

I don't ever like when people say, oh, Steph Curry is a great point guard. No, no, he's a shooting guard. And Draymond Green was the guy that ran that offense. And you did what you were great at. And Steve Kerr put you in a great position to get paid $300 million and be a Hall of Famer.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. And he will be a Hall of Famer. He was a great defender and he was a point forward. He was their best passer. Well, that's Steve putting you in your best position to be a point forward, to run the offense, to get the ball to the scores and be a great defender. So I would argue to the contrary. Steve Kerr understood. Look, Draymond was, I think, two time Big Ten player of the year at Michigan State. I think what he did in the NBA to become a Hall of Famer is a surprise to most people. But understanding your role, too, is key. And Draymond did understand his role. Now, he may not like it that he didn't get plays run for him, but I don't know if I would say to Steve Kerr, you know, you kind of hindered me. You held me back. Yeah, Paulie.

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Yeah. If you go back to when Draymond was talking in that clip, 2016 was his best season average, 14 points a game. Then went to 10, 7, 8, 7 and so on. But that's when he really hit his stride as a player that frustrated people.

[Jamal Crawford]

Yeah.

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That no one was scared of his

[Dan Patrick]

scoring now because he could be a dangerous three point shooter, but he wasn't an offensive threat the way. I mean, once again, I've got Durant. Even if I don't have Durant, I have Stephen Clay, and chances are I'm not getting to my third option. So. But look, I. I don't know if Draymond I. I want to be fair to the context of this. I don't know if he sounds mad other than what could have been. Maybe I could have been an 18 point score per game, maybe something like that. But it feels like he thinks he could have been like a go to guy. Yeah. Paulie.

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Yeah. You could easily make the case if he's playing for Washington or Atlanta. He's 21 and 10 if he's the focal point at some point in his career. But he'd be missing the playoffs every year.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. He's going to the hall of Fame because he won championships.

[Jason Kidd]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Not because you could have averaged 21 a game. Yes. Martin.

[Marvin]

Yeah. At best he would have been somebody like Paul Millsap.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh.

[Marvin]

And weird. He's not on the tip of our tongues. I'm only saying that because I'm an NBA geek. But most people don't know who Paul Millsap is even though he had a really good career. That's what Draymond have ended up being.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Recapping basketball last night, by the way, Golden State is not in the playoffs. The Knicks embarrassed the Hawks and they win the series. The Timberwolves close out the Nuggets 76ers alive, alive and kicking. Now, I don't think the 76ers have eliminated the Celtics in the NBA playoffs since 1982. The Celtics have knocked the 76ers out of the playoffs six consecutive meetings. The last time Philly eliminated Boston was 1982. Brought to you by in any America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner, download the app if you haven't done so. The Timberwolves knocking out the Nuggets. And boy, that's the walk of shame if you're Denver. That there is no excuse for that. Give credit to Minnesota. Minnesota matched the bravado and then some of Denver and stood up to Joker and Jamal Murray and they did so without their top three guards. But you imagine if you're the Knicks and there's a chance the 76ers knocking off the Celtics on Saturday. Wow. You'll be big Philadelphia 76er fans. This is where a team kind of figured it out a little bit. You didn't know if you're having embiid.

[Jamal Crawford]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

People even question if he was actually hurt. Yes, Mark.

[Jason Kidd]

But here's the thing.

[Marvin]

If you're the Knicks, do you really want to see Tyrese Maxey for maybe seven games?

[Dan Patrick]

I would rather see him than I would Tatum and Brown In a. In a really balanced Celtic lineup.

[Marvin]

Jalen Brunson, those guys had a hard time with CJ McCollum.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, from, like a viewership standpoint, would you rather see the Knicks play the Sixers or the Celtics? Like that kind of. The storyline,

[Dan Patrick]

I would say the Celtics, you know, I mean, that's a rivalry.

[Dylan]

Philly, though. Philly, New York.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah, I know. I like watching Philly because I like Tyrese Maxey and I. And I do have great appreciation for Joel Embiid because he's been through an awful lot and he's still playing. Like, we talk about Anthony Davis being through a lot. He's not playing Joel Embiid. He is always trying to play. And he said, when I'm out there, I am playing hard. Yeah, Paulie, you know, if you.

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[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. Dill.

[Dylan]

I think it was the first time you guys had Embiid on the show and he told the story about, like, killing a lion. Did we ever find out if that was true?

[Dan Patrick]

I thought that was Manute bowl too.

[Dylan]

Maybe they both did.

[Dan Patrick]

I think bowl might have killed a lion, but I. I think Embiid was having fun with us.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Can you check? I think Manute bowl killed a line.

[Marvin]

Yes, it was Embiid, but he did say it was not true.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. But I thought Manute Mole actually killed a lion. Embiid was joking about that. I gotta believe that lion probably didn't look at Manute Bull and say, there's not enough meat on the bone there. I'm not worried about that guy.

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Like, it's just the skewer.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

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