The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Best Of – June 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of "The Best of The Dan Patrick Show," Dan and the Danettes dig into the latest headlines in sports, offering analysis and humor as always. The focus is on the thrilling Stanley Cup Final, the NBA Playoffs—especially the controversy surrounding Victor Wembanyama's flagrant foul on Jalen Brunson—and the state of physical play in basketball. The episode features insider discussion, memorable banter, and star guests, including legendary coach PJ Carlesimo and NBA icon Charles Barkley.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Stanley Cup Final: Hurricanes vs. Golden Knights

• High-Scoring Series: Carolina Hurricanes defeated Vegas Golden Knights 5-3 to tie the series 2-2. Dan points out the lack of standout goaltending:

  "It's OlliOlli income free. Everybody who gets a puck seems like you get a goal." — Dan Patrick [03:00]

• Notable Players:
  • Jordan Staal (age 37) continues to contribute in clutch moments.
  • Vegas’s goaltender Carter Hart has set an unfortunate record:

    “First goalie in NHL history to allow four or more goals in the first four games of the Stanley Cup Final. That's not a distinction that you want.” — Dan Patrick [04:40]

• Goaltender Depth and Humorous Aside:
  • Carolina started Brandon Bussey, who had the series' best goaltending game yet still let in three. Dylan compares the situation to “emergency plumber” goalies.

  “Remember that guy we had on... who was the emergency goalie for the Blackhawks who is just like a plumber?” — Dylan [05:18]

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2. NBA Playoff Analysis: Wembanyama, Brunson, and Officiating Controversies

Wembanyama’s Flagrant Foul Non-Call

• NBA's Retrospective Admission:
  • The NBA acknowledged a foul should’ve been called on Wembanyama for his shove on Jalen Brunson, but stopped short of a flagrant after delay.

  “If they do it right after the game, then I’m okay with that. It’s a day later… this is egregious when you watch it…” — Dan Patrick [08:40]

• Flagrant Foul Points and Suspension Risk:
  • Wemby sits at 2 flagrant points; 4 triggers an automatic suspension.
  • There’s speculation that the NBA hesitated to avoid further drama.

  "If I'm the Knicks and I'm Mike Brown, I am going to bait you." — Dan Patrick [08:48]

Poll Question Discussion

• "Should Wembanyama have been given a flagrant for throwing down Brunson?"
  • Unanimous yes among the hosts. [15:58]

Over/Under and Player Impact

• Discussion of key statistical lines for players:
  • Jalen Brunson, Wembanyama, Karl-Anthony Towns, Landry Shamet, and more.
• The importance of not letting Towns orchestrate the Knicks' offense for San Antonio's defense.
• Highlight: Quirky back-and-forth on prop bets and math mistakes:

  “Three threes would do it.” — Paul [15:20]
  “Let me explain… three times three equals six…” — Dan Patrick [15:37]

Fourth Quarter Woes for Towns

• Karl-Anthony Towns has zero fourth-quarter points across three games despite dominating early.
  • “Is that on the team to not… are they getting him the ball?” — Paul [14:07]
  • Dan and the crew debate whether Jalen Brunson is too ball-dominant.

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3. Interview: PJ Carlesimo on NBA Playoffs & Dream Team Stories

Physicality in Today’s NBA

• PJ describes the intense, physical nature of the current series:

  “You’ve got a slew of wing defenders on both teams that are way above average, way above aggressive and... it’s just so physical. It’s unbelievable to watch.” — PJ Carlesimo [25:19]

• Compares to 80s/90s basketball: more full-court physicality now but maybe not more total contact than in the old days.

Officiating and Baiting Stars

• On whether coaches instruct players to bait stars:

  “No, I think the players know themselves. They know what to do. Both teams are being so physical…” — PJ Carlesimo [25:05]

Knicks-Spurs Game 3 Atmosphere

• Carlesimo wasn’t surprised by the loss but notes the Knicks seemed over-hyped by the Garden’s electric atmosphere, which backfired.

Towns’ Fourth Quarter Issues

• Surprised by Towns’ zero fourth quarter points, PJ expects adjustments.

  “Now he doesn’t score again, and everybody goes, what’s going on? JB takes shots in the fourth quarter… Maybe Cat is susceptible… maybe he gets to the fourth quarter and he’s a little more tired.” — PJ Carlesimo [30:05]

Three-Point Era vs. Past

• Modern teams space the floor and can’t be defended like previous eras due to volume and shooters.
• Reminiscent story of defending LeBron in ‘07 with five defenders collapsing since Cavs had no shooting threats.

Dream Team Memories

• Carlesimo’s duties as “Barkley babysitter” and golf companion to Michael Jordan.

  “They also made me golf with Chuck and Michael and those guys too. Payne Stewart... was with us actually in Barcelona for a while and we’d play. So I had a lot of really tough assignments.” — PJ Carlesimo [33:08]

• On MJ and Kobe’s legendary work ethic:

  “The best players in the league are out working you in the summer. I mean it’s not an accident that these guys do what they do.” — PJ Carlesimo [36:04]

• Tim Duncan’s underrated humor and Popovich’s genuine media shyness.

  “TD would walk over and he like, he would just ignore me... ‘What is his job here with the team?’” — PJ Carlesimo [37:04]

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4. Interview: Charles Barkley on the New York Crowd, Physicality, and Sports Fandom

Star-Studded Game 3 Atmosphere

• Barkley describes the crowd as one of the coolest experiences he’s had:

  “It was incredible. The amount of energy, the amount of stars… it was overload. Stars the other night. It was incredible.” — Barkley [43:33]

Commentary on Knicks’ Game Plan

• Critiques Knicks' reversion to Jalen Brunson-heavy offense:

  “They’re reverting back to being Jalen Bronson eccentric...They got to get back. Number one, they got to go to Carlante Towns more because he was the best player in the series the first two games.” — Barkley [46:34]

Old School Justice: Barkley on Retaliation

• Barkley argues Knicks should physically respond to repeated hard fouls on Brunson:

  “You got to knock the hell out of Victor...Every time y’all hit Jalen, we’re gonna knock the hell out of y'all too. That's the way sports are played. One of the reasons I love hockey.” — Barkley [51:34]

On Sports Fan Violence & Social Media

• Barkley’s passionate reaction to Spurs fan being attacked in MSG:

  “I just want those people who did that…you a scumbag. Your mom and dad are scumbags. Your kids are scumbags…People should be able to go to the game and cheer for whatever team they want to.” — Barkley [47:54]

• On Internet culture and influencers:

  “You ain’t influencing nobody. You’re just making bad money and you just create bad content. All money ain’t good money. And you’re just a loser making money on stupidity.” — Barkley [50:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan on high-scoring hockey finals:

  “I like scoring, but I also like those 2:1 games.” [04:20]

• Paul on flagrant fouls:

  “Here’s the NBA rule book definition of a flagrant…This fits the definition.” [08:56]

• PJ Carlesimo on Dream Team duties:

  “So I had a lot of really tough assignments DP beyond the basketball.” [33:08]

• Barkley, vintage style:

  “Anybody think everybody likes them, they’re a fool. So if people don’t like me or don’t have a sense of humor, they can kiss my ass and my whole ass. Not just one cheek, the whole ass.” [46:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Stanley Cup Final + Goalies – [02:55] to [06:00]
• NBA Wemby Flagrant, Brunson, and Over/Unders – [06:08] to [14:41]
• Landry Shamet Prop Bets/Miscounting Threes – [15:02] to [15:40]
• PJ Carlesimo Interview – [22:25] to [39:48]
• Charles Barkley Interview – [43:02] to [56:34]

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Tone and Style

The tone is signature Dan Patrick: insightful, unscripted, and often comical, with healthy doses of nostalgia and banter. Guests like PJ Carlesimo and Charles Barkley enhance the show with authentic storytelling, blunt analysis, and unique behind-the-scenes glimpses.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode offers an in-depth look at current events in hockey and basketball, with rare coaching and player perspectives, classic Barkley humor, and thoughtful takeaways on game strategy, officiating, and the evolution of physicality in sports. Essential listening for sports fans craving substance and laughs from some of the industry's best.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

How about something about a comedic tone? We have a winner. Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Yeti on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. The Hurricanes over my golden nights last night, five three, the series tied at two games apiece. And if you were looking at who is the favorite in this series, I would say Carolina now. But I'll tell you who's not favorites. The goaltenders here because it's Ollioli income free. Everybody who gets a puck seems like you get a goal. And watching last night, you know, there's certain moments where you go, wait a minute, Jordan Stahl is still playing. He scored twice. I think he's 37. He's the fourth player since 1967 to have at least one goal in the first four games of the Stanley cup final. I remember Mike Bossi of the Islanders did this back in the 80s. But it's been a fun series. I think we could use a 2:1 game because everything's been, you know, 5, 3, 5, 4. They're scoring a lot of goals. And I was wondering about this with Las Vegas's goaltender, Carter Hart. He's the first goalie in NHL history to allow four more goals in the first four games of the Stanley cup final. That's not a distinction that you want. I like scoring, but I also like those 2:1 games. Now you can say, what's the difference between 5:4 and 2:1? I don't know, just the tension where you know that maybe there's a little better defense, a little more goaltending. And you think about this Stanley Cup Final, it does usually come down to your goaltender. I think throughout history we've always talked about, oh my God, Patrick Wa, Martin Brodeur, Grant Fiore, Dominic has you have those great goaltenders and we remember them these performances. That won't be the case. It might be. Which goalie was worse than the other one? Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

Yeah, it's so they. The Hurricane started Brandon Bussey in. In goal, his first playoff start. And like by all objections, he had a good. The best goaltending game of the series. He still gave up three goals and had an.850 save percentage. And then Frederick Freddie Anderson was, who's normally their starter, was actually their emergency goalie last night. So had busy went out and then their second goalie, he would have actually had to come in in relief. Like, remember that guy we had on a number of a couple years back who was the emergency goalie for the Blackhawks who is just like a plumber? And they. It's like all three went down and they had to like call and be like, can you get to the rink? Now that's what their usual starter was last night.

[Dan Patrick]

Who are you? Steve Levy? Now you're breaking down the Stanley Cup Final.

[Dylan]

I am. And that's it. Now I'm done.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. You went to the University of Denver tapping into that hockey knowledge.

[Dylan]

Harvard of the West.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Okay. There was. There was something yesterday that was decided that Victor Wembanyama did not get a flagrant foul. The NBA went and looked. Their senior vice president of referee development and training, Monty McCutcheon, admitted a foul should have been called on Wemby with the shove to Jalen Brunson's upper body. Now, they didn't call flagrant. They should have called a flagrant because that's what it was. And if they had called a flagrant, then we would have a little bit more drama going into these last few games. He will stay two flagrant points away in the postseason because if he gets to four, that means he's subject to an automatic suspension. So he would miss a game. Wemby accumulated the two flagrants earlier in the postseason against the Minnesota Timberwolves when he had an elbow to the job. Nas Reed, he was assessed a flagrant foul, two for excessive contact above the neck. And that triggered an ejection. So right now the NBA looked at it. I don't know how you look at that. And don't say that's a flagrant. Now, if they looked at it right after the game and you call it a flagrant, then I'm fine with that. I think after the fact, and it's the next day and you're looking at it and they decided to be a. Well, yes, it should have been a foul, but hey, let's get ready for that next game. This kind of helps a little bit. Where the NBA admits they made a mistake, which they should have. That's a flagrant. And Jaylen Brunson got whistled for a flagrant for a ticky tack call in that same game. And I was surprised that I guess I shouldn't be surprised. If they do it right after the game, then I'm okay with that. It's a day later, you're looking at it, and I don't know why you had to wait for a day later. I mean, this is egregious when you watch it, you know, no matter who you're rooting for. I'm not rooting for anybody. Just watching it saying, first of all, it's a foul. Second of all, that looks flagrant to me. It's not a basketball move. And I would have gotten, I would have given him a flagrant on that. They decided not to. And. But it feels like they were trying to avoid more heat with this. But if you, you know, gave him a flagrant, now all of a sudden, if I'm the Knicks and I'm Mike Brown, I am going to bait you. I'm going to make you, you know, do something stupid. But that will not happen. He's two flagrant points away from being suspended. Automatic suspension. Yeah.

[Paul]

Paul, here's the NBA rule book definition of a flagrant. One flagrant, one unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent. And they describe it in detail as kind of a non basketball play, not in the course of action. This fits the definition.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

[Marvin]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

It's not a basketball play. I don't know what led up to this, but even then, even if you retaliate that way, it still can be a flagrant foul. I don't know if Brunson did anything to Victor or somebody else did and then he took it out on Brunson. That is a flagrant foul. Yeah.

[Marvin]

Marvin, you asked about a month ago when people are going to start hating Wemby. Well, it's starting.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep, yep, yep. I mean, he had a, a play against Caruso, he had play against Naz Reed. Now you have this play here against Brunson. And he was even asked, you know, are you, you okay being the villain? He goes, well, you know, I'll never be Trey Young in the garden. And I thought it was a great line, but you know, Wemby, you don't have to make friends. You're making enemies. But all you got to do is play big again tonight. I got the over unders courtesy of DraftKings. Jalen Brunson's 27 and a half, Wemby's 26 and a half, Carl Anthony Town 17 and a half. Then you have Stefan Castle 15 and a half, Dylan Harper 14 and a half dear and Fox 13 and a half. To me the key is Carl Anthony Towns tonight offensively and defensively. You can't let Wemby gets started early. And if you're Jalen Brunson, I, I know it sounds crazy to say he hasn't played well and he's still the leading candidate for MVP in this series, but he's got to keep shooting. That's the, that's the tricky part of all of this. And I'm looking at the numbers here. And if you said to the San Antonio Spurs Brunson is going to shoot 37% in the series, 32% from three point range. He's going to average 27 shots per game and he's going to have 82 points on 81 total shots and averaging just over four assists. Spurs are going to take that. They will love that. They would sign up for that in a second. The key is don't let anybody go off. If Carl Anthony Towns ends up at 17 and a half points, you're okay. Now if he ends up with like seven assists, maybe 12 rebounds, okay. Now I'd be concerned OG Anunoby if he gets to 16 and a half points. All right, I might be a little nervous with that. But if you said Victor gets his 26 and a half castles at 15, Harper 14 dear and Fox 13. Maybe you get contributions from a couple of other players, but it's probably going to be, you know, another one of those 107, 104 games. You know this, this is, this is about defense tonight. And they, they do have a strategy on Jalen Brunson that is working. You got bigger guys, longer guys, more physical guys. And this is where you know there's certain spots. Brunson probably has five spots on the floor that he wants to get to. You have to know where he wants to get to before he gets there. Yeah.

[Dylan]

Dylan deer and Fox 13 and a half. Sounds like it should. It's like 45.

[Dan Patrick]

That sounds like you got to take the under.

[Dylan]

I know you got to. Or is he do.

[Dan Patrick]

Once again, this is why I don't gamble. But this is a Darren Fox 13 half points. Yes. Marvin.

[Marvin]

I'm going to say a name that I never Thought I'd say regarding the NBA finals as far as a serious piece.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, okay, now which team?

[Marvin]

The Knicks.

[Dan Patrick]

The Knicks. Okay. All right. So it's a guy that you didn't think that you would say and he could be a serious contributor tonight.

[Marvin]

Correct.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Dylan, do you want to guess.

[Dylan]

Jordan Clarkson?

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. Okay, Paulie.

[Paul]

I'm sticking with that. Jordan Clarkson.

[Dan Patrick]

Judging from body language with Marvin, when Dylan said that, I'm gonna say Jordan Clarkson.

[Marvin]

Oh, good guess. But no.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, wait, let me ask Todd, Big Knicks fan.

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[PJ Carlissimo]

Bloop.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[PJ Carlissimo]

He's gonna go off with some threes.

[Dan Patrick]

Landry Shamit now, games one and two,

[Marvin]

Landry Shammy had 13 points off the bench.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Marvin]

Game three zero.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. He's due. It's crazy.

[Marvin]

He had a non guaranteed contract at the beginning of the season.

[Paul]

Yes, Paul, here's another stat that's getting a lot of play. I think we touched on this yesterday. Carl Anthony Towns, quarters one, two and three. He's got 50 points. Fourth quarter, zero points this series.

[Dan Patrick]

It's.

[Paul]

I had to check it like don't

[Dan Patrick]

you accidentally score a point, but is

[Paul]

that on the team to not. Are they getting him the ball?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, it feels like fourth quarter's Jalen Brunson time and maybe he's too ball dominant. I still think the offense has to go through Carl Anthony Towns. I think the success they've had. I don't want Brunson working as hard as he's working. But San Antonio is going to make him work. Pick him up, you know, three quarters court, they're going to make him work the shot clock and you're just going to put as much pressure on him as possible and make those shots little more awkward off balance. Yes.

[Marvin]

Marvin Brunson's got to be the shooting guard. He cannot bring the ball up because Castle's all over him. And by the time they get into their set, there's eight seconds left on the shot clock.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep. But that's tonight. Big game at the Garden, but we're guaranteed going back to San Antonio. Charles Barkley joins us next hour. PJ Carlissimo, the legendary coach will stop by in about 10 minutes. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, do you want to guess what Landry Shamets point prop is? Marvin thinks he's gonna have a big game.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, I'm gonna say eight and a half.

[Dylan]

Seven and a half.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

[Dylan]

Which I could see him coming out hitting three threes and then that's it. And hitting the under.

[Paul]

I did the math. Three threes would do it.

[Dan Patrick]

That would be Over. Oh, two threes, you know. Okay, let me explain this to you.

[Dylan]

Oh, no.

[Dan Patrick]

Over. Under seven and a half. If he hits two threes, that would be six.

[Dylan]

I just did three times three equals six in my head.

[Dan Patrick]

Once again. You went to the University of Denver.

[Dylan]

Harvard of the West.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. All right, what's poll question? First hour of the program.

[Dylan]

Well, Dan, we got a couple shed Wembanyama had been given a flagrant for. What are you tackling Brunson? Throwing him down? However you want to word it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Yes or no?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Dylan]

And then had he gotten a flagrant two, would he have. If you get issued a flagrant two after the game, because if it's mid game, you get ejected, would you be out for the following game automatically, or is that.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, he's got to get to four points.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. And then he would be out.

[Dylan]

So had they given him a flagrant too, it wouldn't have affected.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, no, no, no. He has to get to four. Yeah, he would have gotten to three, and then the Knicks would have been all over trying to bait him to get to you. Imagine if we went to like, game seven and Wemby can't play. Yes, Paulie.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Paul]

A flagrant one obviously is one point. Flagrant two is two points. Obvious. But if you get that if he was found guilty of a flagrant two this yesterday, he wouldn't play tonight.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, flagrant two, yes.

[Paul]

If he got that would have given him 4.4.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. No, it's not a basketball move. I mean, Wemby has to, you know, the rest of his career. He's got to understand they're going to try to get inside his head. They're going to bang him around, you know, they're going to hit him, poke him. They. This happens and you gotta. You gotta fight that. That urge. You can't go Draymond Green. You gotta be smarter than that. Can't go Draymond. Yes. Dylan.

[Dylan]

What would Wemby have had to have done for them to issue an after the facts flagrant to, like, have brass knuckles on or something? It seems like it's imposs.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe a sleeper hold. Maybe a headlock put him to sleep.

[Dylan]

Rear naked joke.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but it. But it's right there in the open. That's what I didn't understand is how do you not have eyes on Brunson and Wemby? And it's not a basketball play. So I was surprised. But Wemby is only at two points now, not four. Yes, Paul.

[Paul]

It's a little early for what we learned, but we Learned the segment 3 times 3 is 9. 2 plus 2 still equals 4.

[Dan Patrick]

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

[PJ Carlissimo]

Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio.

[Marvin]

And in addition to hearing us live weeknights from 7 to 10pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show.

[PJ Carlissimo]

That's right, you can now watch the Odd Couple Live on YouTube every day.

[Marvin]

All you gotta do search Odd Couple FSR on YouTube again YouTube just search Odd Couple FSR. Check us out on YouTube and subscribe

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[PJ Carlissimo]

i went down and got some tea and honey. DP it's I'm going to make it through. The most we got is four more games, but barely.

[Dan Patrick]

But I listened to Doc Rivers, even Mitch Johnson. Like there's this coach voice that I don't know if you ever recover from that, if you continue to coach, do you.

[PJ Carlissimo]

I can assure you you do not it's funny. The people in San Antonio want Mitch and I to do a show together because they said it's the two worst voices they've ever heard.

[Dan Patrick]

So I was talking about the Wemby, that they didn't give him a flagrant. Yeah, I have a hard time with this. PJ to me, it's not a basketball move if you don't want to do a flagrant two, but it is a flagrant foul, in my opinion.

[PJ Carlissimo]

Your thoughts were at that speaker's been so much going on. DP it wouldn't have bothered me because it wouldn't have made him ineligible and he's smart enough to adjust. But I don't sympathize. Very seldom do I say nice things about officials. Dp but these series are impossible. I'm linking the Western Conference. We did the West Caste and myself for ESPN Radio, OKC and San Antonio. You didn't know what to call. The teams are so good defensively, but they're being allowed to play so physical that when a call is made, you just go, what prompted him to make that call at that time? They're getting along now. We're getting the game four. Obviously, in the playoffs, guys are just Karl Anthony, Towns and Wemby are just hugging each other, wrestling. They're like using swim moves, lifting their arms to get away. So I really wasn't bothered by Jalen. Jalen is notorious for jumping in front of people. Matter of fact, it was funny. Steph Castle got a call on him in that game the other day. Jalen drew the most offensive files in the league, 29 charges he drew in the regular season. So I wasn't terribly bothered by it, nor would I have been had they given him a flagrant one because it wasn't going to knock him out. And that would have put all the officials on high alert. It would have put Wemby on high alert. So I'm kind of with. You wouldn't bother me. But what's going on now? And as we get deeper into the series, it's going to get worse. We got a crew tonight that's the only three guys that haven't worked yet. Zach Zarbon, James Williams and Courtney Kirkland. I think they'll. I think they'll let them play a little bit more. There were a lot of free throws the other night which bothered everybody.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you ever instruct your players on kind of baiting a player, a star? You know, like, if I'm Mike Brown, can I tell my players to bait Wemby to Try to get him, you know, into a flagrant.

[PJ Carlissimo]

No, I think the players know themselves. They, they, they know what to do. These both teams are being so physical. And what's unusual about this one? I mean, you kind of expect the big guys to be pushing each other. Robert Wembley, if you don't have a body on Wemby, and they're going to throw 10 lobs in a game, and everybody's wondering, like, why aren't the, you know, spurs getting away with more lobs? Because there's a nick defender against Wemby every time, either undercutting him or backing into him, or they're not letting him just jump up and catch the ball and lay it in like only he can do. What's unusual about this series to me is you've got a slew of wing defenders on both teams that are way above average, that are way above aggressive and, and it's just so physical. It's unbelievable to watch. And it was more noticeable in San Antonio. We sit courtside in New York. It's the worst radio position in the league. Unfortunately. You say you can't see it quite as well, but I mean, what's going on? Dp, if you were sitting courtside and saw it, and I'm sure you, you see it watching ABC and Briny and them, it's unbelievable what now the players are allowed to do defensively.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you've been around this game for decades. We, we tend to have a recency bias. But is this more physical than it was back in the 90s or 80s?

[PJ Carlissimo]

Well, maybe not going back. Maybe not going back there. More so overall as you get closer to the basket. What's happening now is you see teams picking up 94ft. Jalen Brunson, they're trying to beat up Jalen from the Tech the second that he gets the ball, just to fatigue him. Not just for the end of a game, but for the end of a series. But, you know, Shake Elish Alexander, by the time he got to game seven in the OKC series, he had seen so much of Steph Castle and Dearon Fox and Dylan Harper and Devin Vassell, Julian Cheny, they're just wailing on him the entire game. So it's, it's. That's a little different in the old days. Joe Deer, those guys, you started backing in, once you got inside the free throw line, you couldn't move them. I mean, they had a forearm right there, and it was so physical. Lambert and the big guys were doing the same thing. I think what's different now is the pressure away from the basket and particularly with the exceptional defensive teams. And the Knicks, the Thunder and the spurs are way above average defensively. They can guard you 94ft and still stay in front of you. So they're bumping guys the whole, the whole game. It's, it's really different. I mean, to me, it's like hockey. I don't know all the hockey terms, terms. I should call McDonough up. They're cross checking or checking or doing, doing whatever you do right now. And it's allowed.

[Dan Patrick]

P.J. carlissimo, ESPN NBA studio analyst. He'll be on the call tonight. And the tip off is 8:30 Eastern. I wasn't surprised prize the Knicks lost game three. In fact, I said on the air that I thought they were going to lose. And it was just a weird feeling. I think they got, you know, you get caught up in the coronation, there's going to be a parade, Brunson gets a statue, President's here, celebrities are here. You did everything but forget to play the game. How does that happen?

[PJ Carlissimo]

I was surprised myself. I wasn't surprised the outcome. I think I was dead on with you all three games. If you told me the spurs were going to lose two at home, I would have said, you're out of your mind. That's not going to happen. Obviously it did the way it looked coming out of there, you know, either team could have won even Game one, but certainly Game two, definitely Game three, either team could have won the games. There was so much going on the other night. It was incredible. I mean, I go back, I happened to be at Fordham when the Garden opened up. I mean, if the game was a route, I even got into play in the Garden occasionally. But coach there a ton at Seton hall and at Wagner and obviously in the NBA, the Garden was unlike. I mean, I was at Ali Frazier. I was at both of the championships in 70 and 73, sitting right there. It was different. It was a different vibe in the building. And somehow it appeared. I don't want to take anything away from the Spurs. It appeared to impact the Knicks more than the Spurs. And if you look at the way the first first quarter started, and especially if you look at the way the third quarter started, like the kind of the conventional wisdom at halftime was they got him on the ropes right now. Spurs dominated the first half, let it get away in the last three minutes. They didn't close the quarter. They looked a little shaky. You started saying a young team and maybe this night's too Big for him. They come out and dominate the first five minutes of the second half and turn the game around. Really surprising for a veteran team like the Knicks to appear. And again, I'm not being fair to San Antonio to appear to not understand the magnitude of the night. And they had a chance to put a stranglehold on this series and they let the spurs back in it.

[Dan Patrick]

How does Carl Anthony Towns fail to score in the fourth quarter of the first three games?

[PJ Carlissimo]

Surprising because he's played so well going into game three. He's the runaway leader for MVP in the series. He's played so well offensively and defensively. He's rebounded. He's fingerprints are all over the game. You didn't notice in games one and two. I don't want to say they didn't need him, but nobody really made a big deal of it. The Cat didn't score in the fourth quarter. It doesn't matter. The Knicks won the games. Now he doesn't score again. And everybody goes, what's going on? A JB takes shots in the fourth quarter. Jalen Brunson takes more shots in the fourth quarter because he scores more. Maybe Cat is susceptible to the same thing we're talking about after wrestling with Wemby and Luke Cornett the entire game. Maybe he gets to the fourth quarter and he's a little more tired. He's certainly not the focus of their offense has not been in the first three games. I think so much has been made of it. I think it will change tonight. You know, I think they'll make sure he gets some shots. I mean, if I'm not mistaken, DPs 0 for 6 in. In. In three quarters now, they won two of the games. It's kind of hard to second guess what's going on, but it's. It's surprising for sure. The Knicks have too many. I mean, it's a good problem. They had so many options. Mikhail Bridges takes the game over. OG Anunoby has been rock solid the entire game. He gets like five each quarter. He spreads it around the other guys. It's like a tag team. I got this quarter. The guy gets 10 points and JB does it in the fourth. Cat does it in the first or in the third. The Knicks have a lot of weapons, but I think Mike Brown would clearly admit, yeah, we got to get Cat going in the fourth quarter.

[Dan Patrick]

What was the difference between game planning against the Pistons when they had a great starting five and that was what, 2005?

[PJ Carlissimo]

Yep.

[Dan Patrick]

Or game planning against a 22 year old LeBron in 2007, the three point shooting.

[PJ Carlissimo]

Now both of these teams have a lot of guys who can shoot the three. That just opens up the floor so much. But the nick, they just array these three point shooters around. They haven't shot it well, truth be told, so far in the series. But they have a lot of good shooters. So they make it really, really difficult to, to help out the way you would do on the big players. Even LeBron. I remember when we played Mike was coaching Cleveland ironically when the spurs played Cleveland in. I'm losing my mind. I'm gonna say 05 or 07 I think it was.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, seven.

[PJ Carlissimo]

Yeah, yeah. They didn't have any, any shooters other than Booby Gibson. I, we. There were Times we had five guys in the paint. There was no nowhere for LeBron to go. You can't do that nowadays because of so many threes being taken, so many good three point shooters. It's different. I, I don't know that it's necessarily more physical, but now it's, it's almost like you're playing on a bigger court. So you can't load them up and just tee off on these big guys.

[Dan Patrick]

You got a dream team story that I haven't heard.

[PJ Carlissimo]

Your guest that's coming up next time. He was unbelievable. My, my. One of my jobs, the little that I contributed, I, I actually did do. We would put the scouting reports together and believe it or not, the guys they wanted to know because they didn't know the guys by name. We didn't know the international players the way we do now. Pete Scorch and I, who was the, the Pistons video coordinator at the time, we'd use NBC's equipment at the end of the night and we'd put together the scout for the next day who we were playing. And then when I got back to the hotel about 2am My job was to go on the Rhombus and, and just stay by Charles and make sure our guys. So I spent a lot of time with Mr. Barkley on the Rhombus. Spent a lot of time with him the other night after the game. We were, we were at a steakhouse late in the morning so watching him and I. They also made me golf with, with Chuck and Michael and those guys too. Payne Stewart, the late great Payne Stewart was with us actually in Barcelona for a while and we'd play. So I had a lot of really tough assignments. DP beyond the basketball.

[Dan Patrick]

So your job was to babysit Barkley and play golf with Jordan.

[PJ Carlissimo]

I don't know what I would say. Babysit. I don't want to upset the great. I can't even call him. I used to call him fat, so I can't call him that anymore. He looks so good. I would spend time with Charles, just make sure he got back to the hotel, let's put it that way.

[Dan Patrick]

If somebody ask you how competitive Michael Jordan was, what would you say?

[PJ Carlissimo]

Beyond. Beyond what you would know. It feeds into the fact that he likes to invest the dime. When you're playing golf with him, you're not just going to go out there and play 18 holes. You're going to play and if the match is closed, it's going to become another match. There's presses upon presses upon presses. He's the ultimate competitor. More importantly, he's the ultimate winner. He has to win. He has to win in everything he does. It, it drives him so. You know so much. It's a, it's a great thing to watch. You just have to, you have to understand it's that it's not like most people. Kobe had that same gene. It was incredible. And what surprised me, DP and I didn't understand it till I got into the league. They were willing to do much more than the other player. I'd come back and be yelling at the young players every year and say, what's wrong with this picture? The best guy in the, in the league goes home and he improves his left hand or he becomes a better three point shooter and you go home and you go to the Bahamas, you have a good time. You come back, you work on your game a little bit. The best players in the league are out working you in the summer. I mean it's not, it's not an accident that these guys do what they do. Kobe did that one of the Olympics. I think it was 08. I think it was Mike K's first time coaching. And I remember a lot of the other players on the team seeing what he was doing. Tim Grover was his workout guy and before practice even started, he'd have been up in the morning, worked out for two hours and then they'd be sitting at breakfast and Kobe come in sweating and go, where was he? And he was, he was in the weight room for like two hours or he was shooting and they were like shaking their heads going, oh, maybe that's, maybe, maybe that's what you're supposed to be to do if you want to be one of the best players in the league.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, sometimes these players get to the NBA and they think they've made it. When I think we forget like Tiger, Tiger, Amen. He outworked everybody and, and Mike. So I think we sometimes downplay the work ethic because we just rely on the lazy. Well, they're just more talented than you say.

[PJ Carlissimo]

The God given talent. Did they have absurd talent? Yes, but they outwork the other players. Nobody in the NBA that can't play. These guys can all play, but they can't all work the way LeBron. The way LeBron works now, the way Kobe did, the way Michael did, the way the elite players in the league did. Tim Duncan was the same way. You didn't see it. There wasn't the flare and everything like that. He just outworked people and on top of that, was a great talent and was a great competitor.

[Dan Patrick]

Duncan never said anything right.

[PJ Carlissimo]

You know what's funny? DP not a good sense of humor. Borderline great sense of humor. Tremendous teammate. Everybody always says, you know, yeah, I don't, I don't want to do interviews. But, but more than half of the people really do. They want, they want to be doing, doing the show. And so I don't care if I ever do another interview. He and Pop, if they had never had to do an interview, they genuinely would have been happier people. Yeah, it wouldn't have bothered them if they never had to do another interview. But behind the scenes, the stuff. Anytime TD would come on the floor at practice, and I happen to be talking to Pop before practice started about who knows what, TD would walk over and he like, he would just ignore me and he would go, poppy. He goes, what? What does he do again? Like, what, what, what is his job here with the team? It was like, you know, it was an old joke, but he told it about 300 times. Five years. But he was, he really. He has a great sense of humor. He's a great. He's still working out. Pops doing his rehab, still like four days a week in the practice facility in San Antonio. TDs with him virtually every single day. He's just, he's an amazing person. Amazing person.

[Dan Patrick]

Tim Duncan is helping Greg Popovich with

[PJ Carlissimo]

them, just supporting him. I don't know that he's actually doing, you know, any of the, of the work, but he's there with them every single day.

[Dan Patrick]

I remember when the spurs were going to the NBA Finals, I was there for the Western Conference and I was trying to get Pop to come up on stage and do an interview. You. And he kept waving.

[PJ Carlissimo]

Exactly.

[Dan Patrick]

It's like, no, I'm not coming up. And he Didn't. He didn't come up. But everybody would say, oh, you'd love Pop, man. He loves wine. He's, you know, sneaky sense of humor. I go, I'll never, I'll never experience it. He's not letting me in.

[PJ Carlissimo]

But Brain used to, Mike used to ask me all the time when I, when. I mean, we go back to Fordham and 100 years ago, but we work together, even at NBC. And he'd say to me, hey, can, can I go to one of those. I want to go to one of those wine dinners with you and Pop on the road. And it wasn't every time, but it was very often when we were on a road trip and, and I said, I said to my, said, mike, Pop doesn't like you. I said, I don't think he's gonna, he's gonna invite you. And for about, I think for half a year, I think I had him convinced I was telling the truth. And Pop finally let him into a dinner. He let him come to a dinner in Cleveland. We must have been in to play Lebron, I'm assuming. And he let him come to Luca, a really good Italian restaurant in Cleveland. And, and Mike got to see the, the wine bottles lined up and Pop talking about the different one. Mike's now a real fan of red wine and very, very knowledgeable, and he used to hardly drink it, but not that that dinner changed it, but he, he wanted to go to one of those for so long, it was really funny. When he finally did get to go.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, hold on to that voice. Have fun tonight and good to talk to you again.

[PJ Carlissimo]

Dp, you too. Great to be with you. Thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

He's Charles Barkley. He's been known to yell at me no, not anymore, though. You're. You're a gentle giant now. You're not even a giant anymore.

[Marvin]

What's up, brother?

[Dan Patrick]

Charles and Shaq and Kenny and Ernesto will be on the call inside the NBA pregame halftime on abc, post game on espn. How do you describe the atmosphere? Have you ever experienced anything like game three before?

[PJ Carlissimo]

No.

[Marvin]

It was incredible. The amount of energy, the amount of stars like you only. You really only see stars in New York and la, but it was overload. Stars the other night. It was incredible. It was one of the coolest things I've ever been a part of, Dan, to be honest with you.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but you're. You're not easily starstruck. Were you starstruck by anybody the other night?

[Marvin]

No, no, no. I've been starstruck before, but it was just the magnitude of how many it was. You know, normally it's five to ten. It was probably. I mean, Derek Jeter, Eli Manning, you know, you know, you get used to seeing Ben Stiller, Chalamet, guys like that, Tracy Morgan. But you know, Derek Jeter, you know, he's very low key. He's amazing and low key. He never comes out for things. And Eli Manning was there and Jay Z was there and Larry David. It was crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

You called Cardi B. Cardi D's. Did. Did you. I mean, it's good.

[Marvin]

It looked like bees to me. Then it looked like these to me.

[Dan Patrick]

Does anybody say anything to you? When's. When's the last time management or somebody said, chuck can't say that,

[Marvin]

Dan. You know, I'm hoping they fire me. You know, I got six years. I got six or seven years left on my contract that they know I got no chance of doing. I would love for them to fire me and have to pay me for the next six or seven years.

[Dan Patrick]

So.

[Marvin]

So, you know, I was talking to my agent. I was like, what can I do to get fired? They have to pay me for the whole six, seven years.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

And I says, yeah, I would love to get fired. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. But because like I say, there's no, there's zero chance I'm gonna be working the next six, seven years. Zero. So I know if they fire me, they would have to pay me all those years. And I heard through the grapevine that I make great money. So thank goodness for that. But. Yeah, come on, man. People can't take a joke, they can kiss my ass. You know, I said the same thing. People don't like me. I appreciate and love all the support I've gotten all these years, but anybody think everybody likes them, they're a fool. So if people don't like me or don't have a sense of humor, they can kiss my ass and my whole ass. Not just one cheek, the whole ass.

[Dan Patrick]

That ass is a lot smaller than it used to be.

[PJ Carlissimo]

It is.

[Marvin]

That's the only reason. That's the only thing. I hate being skinny now when I tell people to kiss my ass, it's a lot smaller.

[Dan Patrick]

The Knicks lost game three because

[PJ Carlissimo]

they.

[Marvin]

They're reverting back to being Jalen Bronson eccentric. You know, this is the way they played the last couple years, where they just gave him the ball and said, score. He's taking too many shots. They're not getting guys involved. You know, he shot the ball pretty much. He not shooting it well. But I think they got to get back number one. They got to go to Carlante Towns more because he. He was the best player in the series the first two games. Yeah, but I think they become a little Jalen Brunson eccentric. That's like I say, that's the way they played the last couple years. But throughout the season, they had more of a flow. They were getting the ball at caulk level. They were letting Carl make decisions. And that's going to be really important in this series because the reason I picked the Knicks to win the series, he had Victor has to guard Carl Anthony Towns away from the Bassett and that free up those other guys to get to the paint because Victor is the best defender in the league. And when he gets to stand back there and play safety, that's when the spurs are at their best.

[Dan Patrick]

What do you expect tonight?

[Marvin]

I expect whoever wins the series tonight, the game tonight, to win the series. I picked the Knicks in six, but I think this is a big game for the Knicks, obviously a big game for the Spurs. But if the. If the Knicks are going to win this series, I think they have to win tonight. But I'm expecting it to be just as exciting. It was crazy, Dan. And you know, and the world cup is here right now, which this city got so many people. It's exciting to be here right now. And I gotta say one thing, Dan. There was one thing that bothered me. I saw that spurs fan get beat up really badly. And man, I just want those people who did that. You a scumbag. Your mom and dad are scumbag. Your kids are scumbags. And run up on me like that. You know, people should be able to go to the game and cheer for whatever team they want to. But I saw that video where they beat up that spurs fan. I just want them to know they mom and dad and them and their kids are just scumbags. And like I say, I take. I like all the smoke, Dan. I ain't no tough guy, but it ain't gonna be a lot of people running up on me, I can promise you that. Because I'll beat the hell out of them right on the spot.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I felt bad, you know, that you have a few that have that gang muscles or beer muscles. And these spurs, you've been around these spurs fans, they're nice people. The other way around. And Nick fans went to San Antonio. Nobody's getting accosted there. Nobody's getting beat up because you're wearing your Knicks gear.

[Marvin]

You know, that must be a northeast thing, because I've seen it happen in Philly. Well, guys get beat up. Come on, man. Let people go to the game and cheer for their team. And I hate that mob stuff, man. If. If you. It should never be a fight more than one, one on one. If you're a punk and you have to have a bunch of people to beat up somebody, you're just a punk. And that. That drives me crazy. And you know all the worst people in the world, Dan, People who film things like that, I've always like, why are you filming people getting beat up? Not just this situation. And you see it all the time over the Internet. You know how I am about the Internet. The people on the Internet, just a bunch of damn losers. And that we have started monetizing these losers. And people just gonna be stupid. I figured out people just gonna be stupid for the rest of their life. Because these companies, they're like, oh, I always found it like, you are influencer or you're a creator. No, you're not. First of all, you ain't influencing nobody. You're just making bad money and you just create bad content. But I just laugh because you know, all money ain't good money. And you're just a loser making money on stupidity.

[Dan Patrick]

That's all you're doing, talking to Charles Barkley. He'll be with Shaq and Kenny and Ernie. That'll be inside the NBA pre and post.

[Dylan]

Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

What? Dan, What?

[PJ Carlissimo]

You have to read.

[Marvin]

You have to read our damn name off paper. You don't know who the hell we are. After 30 years, you don't know. It's only four people. You should have to be able to. You should be able to just say, ernie, Ken and Shaq And Chuck, we've been together for 30 years. You have to read it on a damn piece of paper.

[Dan Patrick]

Plus, Draymond.

[Marvin]

Oh, I forgot. Okay, okay, okay. I'll give you a hall pass.

[Dan Patrick]

That felt kind of old school. Basketball game three. Because of the physicality, and I don't know if the Knicks were surprised by the spurs physicality. Were you?

[Marvin]

Well, first of all, the Knicks are stopping whining. What the Knicks should do, it's clearly what the Knicks should do, is knock the hell out of Victor Wimba Yumba at some point. Because them two things they did to Jalen Brunson, I. I didn't like it. I loved it. You. This is a competition, but you can't let them manhandle your best player. You got to knock the hell out of. Victor says if you hit Jalen, they hit him twice unnecessarily. I'm surprised the Knicks haven't retaliated. They got to do that because they clearly targeted Jalen. They've charted him, targeted him twice, and they were dirty plays both times. And I believe. I believe in that stuff, Dan. So if I am the Knicks early in the game, I knocked the hell out of Victor. They should have did it last game because Jalen went toward Victor, but he's too little to intimidate Victor. But that's where Carl Anthony Towns or OG or somebody gotta take a flagrant foul on Victor. Like, every time y' all hit Jalen, we're gonna knock the hell out of y', all, too. That's the way sports are played. One of the reasons I love hockey. Shout out to the Hurricanes. I needed that win last night. They believe injustice if you bother. If you hit one of the great hockey players, they're gonna get you. And I believe it. It should be physical. You're playing to win the world championship. I tell you one thing that's interesting about this series, Dan. The Knicks have not had one good game. It's been like you, You. You can if you. Actually, I'm sitting there watching the game. The Knicks have had three mediocre games. They haven't played well in any game. They've been down at least eight points at the end of every first quarter. And, like, I'm not sure what the hell's going on. They got to play tonight. Tonight. I do. I believe who wins the game tonight is going to win the series, whether it's the Knicks or the Spurs. I like to say I picked the Knicks in six. But if the spurs can win tonight, I think they flip the Series.

[Dan Patrick]

And Wemby should have been given a flagrant for that Jalen Brunson play. It's a. That's not a basketball play. Like, I. It felt like the league was protecting Wemby by not giving him a flagrant.

[Marvin]

Well, because they didn't call. I think because they didn't call anything, they. I don't know if they can go back and look at it or they should have found him or something later. But I don't think they actually looked at the play because that should have been a flagrant. But like I said, the Knicks got to do something to Wimby. They should have did it last game because they knocked the hell out of Bronson twice. And he's a kid and a great player. You can't ever. I remember we were playing the New York Knicks, and I worked with Greg Anthony, and he did a. A cheap shot on Kevin Johnson. I says, run this play. Run this play. And Greg's a friend of mine, and I ran over him like I was damn Bo Jackson or Earl Campbell. And I said, if you ever touch Kevin Johnson again, you're gonna get some more of that. It's up to the players to police. I'm not gonna let anybody hurt Kevin Johnson. Greg Anthony gave him a really bad chief shot. And I said, kate, let's run a pick and roll. Because I never ran pick and rolls because that just clogged up my area. I said, kevin said, you want to run a pick? And I said, paul, let's run a pick and roll. And I got an offensive file. I didn't care about that. I was going to truck Greg Anthony because he hit

[Dan Patrick]

and.

[Marvin]

Bronson twice when we did it and Castle did it. You can't have that man at all.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I remember when Isaiah Thomas was taking it to John Stockton and Isaiah went in for a layup and Carl hit him, like, in the forehead and just about, you know, knock Isaiah down and out and had to have, like, 40 stitches there just to send a message. Oh, I think I lost. I think I'm losing your connection there. No, I've lost you. Hey, have fun tonight, and thanks for joining us, and I'll see you in Tahoe.

[Marvin]

I love you guys.

[Dan Patrick]

I. I love you, too. Okay, I'll see you in Tahoe. All right. It's Charles Barkley.

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