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What a week, man. Wildcard Baseball Week 5 of the NFL. What a country.
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What a month.
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Rich Davis
Definitely Bartolo.
Steve Covino
No, you know why? I'll let you know why. Because Lamar Jackson did you know he.
Rich Davis
Had his own businessman. A lot of athletes. I never had it. But remember Michael Jordan had his cologne cheater.
Steve Covino
Yeah, but I didn't know Lamar Jackson was an entrepreneur like that. So we'll talk some cologne, some football, Rich's picks. That's all an over promised an hour from now on our so join us live. And like we do every Thursday, we're throwing it back. Old school and 50 hits right now.
Rich Davis
One baseball question before we get to all your feedback because we are talking cartoons on the anniversary of Peanuts. Charlie Brown, poor guy got the football pulled. Pulled away every time.
Steve Covino
And by the way, Sam dances like one of the Peanuts crew. Like naturally. Those are his natural dance moves.
Rich Davis
His legs move that way.
Steve Covino
Yeah, look at him.
Rich Davis
If you're watching on the YouTube feed, there he is. All right, so my baseball. Quick question before we get back to cartoons. I know Shohei Otani is going game one on Saturday against the Phils. That's the novelty of having a show. Hey, right. I was wondering. Oh my God. So then Blake Snell, Danny G will be lined up. You guys don't play Game 2 until Monday. It's Saturday. Then Monday there's not Saturday and Sunday. So Blake Snell is going to have like five, six days rest, which is great. Yankees.
Steve Covino
Blake Snell looks like he never has any rest though. That's ironic, don't you think?
Rich Davis
Tired as hell all the time. Like, yo, Blake taking that bro.
Steve Covino
Unpack the luggage, man. You got lots of bags.
Rich Davis
If you guys are playing.
Steve Covino
I say that respectfully. He's a gamer.
Rich Davis
Cove. If you're playing the Blue Jays on Saturday, right. You don't push Max Freed on short rest in the divisional, do you? Or do you say, oh no, no, we'll, we'll save him for Sunday.
Steve Covino
What were they saving him for in the previous. So I would say yes, but that's why they yanked them with 102 pitches.
Rich Davis
But Kavino, you guys, the Yankees, if they do in tonight that Yankees Blue Jay series, games one and two would be Saturday, Sunday. Do you save Max Freed for Sunday because he pitched Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. You're not going to go a guy on three days rest at this point, are you?
Steve Covino
Because then you would probably not. You would go freeze.
Rich Davis
Yeah, you would go freeze and Rodone Games 2 and 3 if you move on.
Steve Covino
And I think, remember, Luis, heel. The king of the heel is your reigning rookie of the Year last year, so he's no scrub.
Rich Davis
Okay.
Steve Covino
Okay.
Rich Davis
Tlc.
Steve Covino
Yeah. So you'll probably get that, then Freed, then Rodon.
Rich Davis
I just love how, Danny, the pitching matchups, when you get to the next series, they're always a little lopsided because of the previous series. It's not like every series lines up like, all right, let's bring the aces out again. Sometimes your ace might pitch game three, and then it just sort of. It's wonky in a really fun way. All right, back to the anniversary of Peanuts. Charlie Brown.
Steve Covino
You know what?
Rich Davis
Poor guy never got to kick the football.
Steve Covino
As Kevin Hart said, I never got.
Rich Davis
A Snoopy snow cone machine.
Steve Covino
You're gonna learn something today. And I know it's not a crazy baseball stat, but it is kind of cool when you think about Peanuts debuted on this day in 1950. That was before our parents were born.
Rich Davis
My dad was born the following year.
Steve Covino
Right. And it lasted through 2000. And the legacy still lives today. Joe.
Rich Davis
Cool.
Steve Covino
Snoopy, Charlie Brown, the whole crew.
Danny G
Knott's Berry Farm. There's a Snoopy land.
Steve Covino
Oh, yeah. No, I still love it.
Rich Davis
Even though Rich took a mean garbage. Let me tell you, it's. The legacy is amazing. The music, the little piano riff, the comics, the newspaper, cartoons.
Steve Covino
Such a special feel about their Thanksgiving special, the Great Pumpkin.
Rich Davis
Do you mean the Thanksgiving special they made the one black character sit on the opposite side of the table? Racist.
Danny G
I knew you're gonna bring that up.
Steve Covino
I know, but.
Rich Davis
I know, but I will say I so.
Steve Covino
But Franklin's my guy.
Rich Davis
I so enthusiastically showed my kids the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown. And I'm like, kids, sit down. We're gonna watch something really special for dad. We watched the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown. It was trash.
Sam
Why, though?
Rich Davis
What? It was.
Danny G
Sam wants to fight you on this.
Steve Covino
The not so Great Pumpkin trailer.
Rich Davis
Sam. The plot goes nowhere. It has no story.
Sam
It's for children.
Rich Davis
It's reminiscing. You're reminiscing and you're glorifying your childhood.
Sam
I used to watch it till into my teenage years on vhs.
Steve Covino
Such a special vibe. Yeah, there's something so special.
Rich Davis
He sleeps in the pumpkin patch and he wakes up and he's like, I guess the Great Pumpkin didn't call.
Sam
There's a.
Rich Davis
It's the worst.
Sam
What about the scene where they're walking across that field at night? That makes you feel so lonely, but in a good way. That's what Charles Schulz was all about. It wasn't about all positive feelings. He was about a mix of life's feelings. That is life. Charlie Brown walking across that field at night.
Steve Covino
Maybe it shows you the problem. Not with your kids, Rich. The world today, where you need overstimulation. It was something peaceful and nice.
Sam
The soundtrack to it was like. It was sort of like made you feel alone and sad and you're like, where is the great.
Rich Davis
Yeah, that's what I want to feel. Alone and sad.
Sam
But it was. That's what Charles Schulz's magic was.
Rich Davis
Let me tell you something. It's trash. Don't watch it with your kids.
Steve Covino
Wow.
Rich Davis
There's stuff that other people taste. Trash. That I think is better. You know what's better, Hubie? Halloween. You know it's better. Oh, no. Oh, are you kidding me? What is that?
Steve Covino
Rich is a weird guy.
Sam
What about the coal and the. I got coal in my sack for, you know, trick or treating. That's a great scene.
Rich Davis
It is the wor. Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown is not even worth watching. They should even air it.
Danny G
Secondly, do you know how many animated specials the Peanuts had?
Rich Davis
Like far too many.
Danny G
Take a guess.
Steve Covino
Well, the Thanksgiving one, I already saw. Daniel. The Christmas one, I mean, there's Obviously.
Danny G
A top 10 list all over the Internet.
Steve Covino
Peanut. Probably three to five.
Danny G
No, 51 animated specials.
Rich Davis
Oh, gee.
Danny G
Through the years.
Steve Covino
Wow. I mean, I know, like five of them.
Rich Davis
That Christmas time is here. Makes me want. I don't want to say what it makes. So Charlie Brown stinks.
Sam
Screwed you screw.
Rich Davis
I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what doesn't.
Sam
You get a rock, you're going to get a rock in your trick or treating bag.
Danny G
And he helped give us Snoop Dogg. He's still giving back. I sent you guys a story from CBS Los Angeles. Snoopy helped deliver service dogs to Southern California.
Rich Davis
You know what?
Steve Covino
That.
Rich Davis
What's that? What's that? Pumpkin. My kid.
Steve Covino
My kids watch Spookly the Square Pumpkin.
Rich Davis
Spookly the Square Pumpkin. That's a good kid program.
Steve Covino
Newer Disney flick.
Rich Davis
Hey, Dan Byer, you got a cute little son. Do not watch the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown with him. So you'll be wasting your time.
Steve Covino
Don't listen, Dan. Don't listen to him.
Rich Davis
I'm telling you right now, it's propaganda. Don't waste your time on that.
Danny G
Cover your ears, DB It's.
Steve Covino
It's hurting our feelings here, man. But based on that, I'm thinking truth.
Rich Davis
You know what it's like. Can I give you one analogy, then I. Then I'll shut up for a while. I used to love don't be ridiculous as a kid. I remember you man. Larry and balky. Perfect Strangers. How funny. I went back and watched an episode. I'm like, yeah, funny. For 12 year old idiotic me watching TGIF.
Steve Covino
You compare a stupid show like that to a legendary comic character and cartoon like Charlie Brown and the Peanuts.
Rich Davis
Can you please watch?
Steve Covino
Perfect Strangers was a trash show back then.
Rich Davis
Can you please watch it tonight?
Steve Covino
Perfect Strangers no better than alf. Or like I was gonna say.
Danny G
Thank you. ALF doesn't. ALF doesn't live.
Steve Covino
Yeah. This peanut.
Rich Davis
None of them do. And you're part of your glorifying.
Steve Covino
No.
Danny G
You don't ever trash on Alpha.
Rich Davis
Deep down inside Danny, I know it's not good.
Steve Covino
I.
Rich Davis
But it was never good. Your homework assignment is to look yourself in the mirror, slap yourself.
Steve Covino
Wow.
Rich Davis
And then watch the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown. Slap yourself again. And then come in. And then come in tomorrow. Be like Rich, I'm so sorry. You were right.
Steve Covino
That's because you're a pea brain.
Sam
Ryan Burching is in here flipping you off because.
Rich Davis
Unbelievable. The Blaster Rich is in a row.
Danny G
90% of the country is going to disagree with you on this.
Rich Davis
You're all lying to yourself. Here's why we're bringing it up.
Steve Covino
We're bringing it up because Peanuts, the comic strip debuted today in 1950 with Charlie Brown, the unlucky bald headed Charlie Brown rocking the same shirt he rocked for, you know, over 150 years. Shermy and Patty were the original characters. And it was printed over 2,600 newspapers translated in 21 different languages. So internationally known international fame. And the original strips continued until February 13, 2000. And they were all hand drawn by Charles Schultz and of course the Great Pumpkin. And all the specials that we watched growing up got us thinking about old school cartoons that we love to pass down to our kids. The ones that we thought held the test of time until Rich dumped all over.
Rich Davis
Who's a little piece of trash that would pull the football away? Lucy. Yo, Lucy.
Steve Covino
Knew it.
Rich Davis
I feel like you don't know what you're talking about. I watch.
Steve Covino
That's a sports jump up and down. Listen to Lucy.
Rich Davis
I know everything. Can I just say this? I was Sam.
Sam
Yes.
Rich Davis
I've watched all these trying to recapture something.
Steve Covino
And how do you not know the names of the main character?
Rich Davis
Because I.
Steve Covino
That's like saying who's that guy? Who's that? Who does Donald Duck date again? Like, how do you not know the character?
Rich Davis
I do. I was about to say Peppermint Patty and I knew I was wrong, so I just said real quick.
Steve Covino
Anyway, Peppermint Patty drives a Subaru.
Rich Davis
100%.
Danny G
The very first peanut special, by the way, is a very Charlie Brown Christmas, which a lot of people have ranked number one.
Rich Davis
Peppermint Patty drives a Subaru. Might be the best line of the day.
Steve Covino
That's a good thing. By the way, My parents drive a Subaru.
Sam
Very safe cars.
Rich Davis
Very safe cars. I'm just going to say this.
Danny G
And Rich ranked number two. It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, so suck it.
Rich Davis
Yo. What are they, dude?
Steve Covino
It shows the problem with your attention span and kids today's attention span. And anyone listening to the show could hear it because you're so hyped up. There's no surprise that you can't sit and enjoy this.
Rich Davis
No, it's. It was really. It's unenjoyable. I'm not even joking at this point.
Sam
That's how I felt about Hubie Halloween. I got 20 minutes of that. I'm like, this is ridiculous.
Rich Davis
How dare you. Dan Patrick's in that. I know, but it's crap. Secondly, I'm gonna give you something else that's even. I'm gonna tell you something that's so bad, that's even better than Charlie Brown. I rather watch Ernest Scared Stupid.
Sam
That's another Halloween classic. What is wrong? Ernest Scared Stupid was scary as a kid and it probably still holds up.
Steve Covino
I don't know. So based on you don't know?
Sam
Come on. That thing was oozing out of its mouth and his nose I think was gross.
Steve Covino
What are the old school cartoons that stand the test of time and that you love near and dear, that you want to share with your kids? The old school cartoons that you vouch for. And if you think Rich is wrong, please be the guy to tell him because I tell him every day and he doesn't believe me. 87799 on Fox. 87799 on Fox and at Covinoenrich and at Fox Sports Radio on social media.
Rich Davis
I'll give you a cool old school cartoon. Heathcliff. Heathcliff. No one could agree.
Steve Covino
You know why? And I put him over Garfield because Heathcliff kicked ass. He was a badass.
Sam
He got out of the house a.
Steve Covino
Little more and he got all the lady cats.
Sam
He was cool at the top of.
Rich Davis
That car thing, that tall, hot cat. Like, if I was a cat, you would. If I was a feline, I would.
Steve Covino
You Know what? Sam and I have a bond. And Rich, I know you'll agree with it. Something that Sam and I bond over. Because he said something, he's like, oh, my God, you understood my reference.
Rich Davis
Something you.
Steve Covino
And it's one that you will not deny. You can't deny it. And just because your kids don't like.
Rich Davis
It or whatever, you make, like a Gargamel reference or something.
Steve Covino
No, no, no, no. One day, Sam made a reference, and I picked up on it, and he was shocked that I knew what was it. And it was. Who's the most remarkable, extraordinary fellow? You Sending Mad the Sailor. Old school Popeye cartoons.
Rich Davis
Those are great.
Steve Covino
Are still great. And if you watch them with your kids, because you don't really see them.
Rich Davis
So good, you have to have, like.
Steve Covino
Some old DVD or pull them up on YouTube. But those old ones, Alibaba and the 43 sin beds.
Rich Davis
I loved Popeye as a kid. In fact, my mom get this would. I didn't want to eat vegetables like every little kid. This is a true story. I was saying my mom would cook spinach, put it back in the can, and I would eat the spinach out of the can.
Steve Covino
Yeah. If you want to live up to that shirt that you.
Rich Davis
And then I would try. Then I would try to find a women tied to railroad tracks. Never found one.
Steve Covino
Hey, chum. But the old school Popeyes are still fantastic.
Sam
We talked about this is because they would craft physical sets and then do the animation on top of it.
Steve Covino
Yeah.
Sam
And it had this very much, like, appealing visual esthetic.
Steve Covino
Watch Sinbad the Sailor. Watch Abu Hassan Alibaba and the 40 Thieves. Watch some of those old Popeyes. They stand the test of time.
Rich Davis
Hey, Sammy, you ever go to the Santa Monica Pier and they actually have a little display about the guy that inspired Popeye?
Sam
I have not seen that.
Rich Davis
Yeah, it's a real dude. And you're like, oh, my God, it looks like Popeye.
Steve Covino
And he had the pipe and everything. So we're going to your phone calls now. It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown. Apparently, Rich isn't excited. He thinks it's the weak Pumpkin Charlie Brown. But it's the anniversary regardless, so it's the weakest, your old school favorites. Let's go to the calls.
Rich Davis
Let's go to Darrell in Ohio. What's up, D?
Caller
It's got to be you fellas. I'm just. I'm just hanging out here at the Art Institute, watching the traffic.
Rich Davis
What's up? What's up, buddy?
Caller
Hey. My favorite is Johnny Quest.
Steve Covino
Yeah, There was a lot of those. That Johnny Quest is old school. Hanna Barbera, right?
Danny G
Yeah.
Steve Covino
Yeah. So those old Hanna Barbera ones, I love them. I don't know if they stated at the time, but I think they're super cool.
Danny G
Such a good production company. And I was telling you that they used to have prime time specials, like on Friday night, where it was that flying arc with all the characters on the deck.
Steve Covino
Yeah, great call on that. Hanna Barbera, legendary. You know, there's a theory. We mentioned this before. They say that the Jetsons takes place the same time as the Flintstones, just in different. You know, one's in outer space and one's in.
Rich Davis
One's in the air, one's background.
Caller
Yeah, yeah.
Rich Davis
Let's go to our buddy Tripp in Vegas. Trip. How are you, friend?
Caller
Hey, good to talk to y'. All. I would say I always like watching Bugs Bunny and Roadrunner, but then a show that I love was the Laugh Olympics. I know that may not stand the test of time, but the Laugh Olympics was always good on Saturday mornings.
Steve Covino
You know, just Saturday morning cartoons alone is something that kids today will never truly get to enjoy the way we did. We would fly down the steps, we'd have the smell of Mom's pancakes in the air, have a bowl of Apple Jacks or whatever, and watch Looney Tunes and Muppet Babies and then American Gladiators.
Rich Davis
I have a question and part of my pervy thought as I get older, looking back, was Smurfette, like, getting with everyone?
Steve Covino
No. Or was she. Smurfette was. If you really look up the character, she was like a decoy. She was trying. She works for Gargamel. Gargamel sent her or something like that to lure the.
Rich Davis
But that wasn't, like, the storyline of the cartoon, though. But that was the original.
Steve Covino
Yeah, I think that was the original. Thought she was there to, like, tempt other Smurfs.
Rich Davis
I always thought that the only person that looked at themselves in the mirror more than Steve Covino was Vanity Smurf. Is that true? I think so.
Steve Covino
Yeah.
Rich Davis
All right, let's say hi to John in Virginia. What's up, John?
Caller
Hey, guys. How you doing? Love the show.
Rich Davis
Thanks, man. What's up?
Caller
Not a whole lot. 2001, my wife was pregnant and had a guy at work do a plywood cutout of my favorite character, Foghorn Leghorn.
Rich Davis
Well, I said. Well, I said. I said. I said.
Caller
And instead of. Historically, you put that out there. And then the speech bubble, I put. I say, I say, boy, there's a Little chickabout hen. That is.
Rich Davis
That's great. I mean, that was just so much a part of our childhood. Because they would have the little shorts. Because they were all shorts that sort of were part of the same episodes. Right. Like Foghorn Leghorn was a couple minutes.
Sam
Who was the little. Like, little. Was it Chicken Hawk?
Rich Davis
What was it?
Steve Covino
Yeah, with the glasses.
Sam
He was like, all brave and stuff.
Rich Davis
You a Tom and Jerry fan?
Sam
Yeah, I watched all the show.
Rich Davis
I thought Tom and Jerry was legit.
Steve Covino
Love that.
Danny G
Remember when we were legit?
Steve Covino
That was legendary.
Danny G
Tom and Jerry, when we were little kids. They had a lot of those cartoons on before the movie. Remember? Like Woody Woodpecker and Droopy cartoons.
Rich Davis
Can I hit you up with something that's a little later? Danny, this is more like. You and Kavino might be a little too old for this. Sam is younger than me, so after school, I would watch my siblings who are a couple years younger than me. That whole world of Tailspin, Darkwing Duck, those shows were great. Chippendale Rescue Rangers, that was. I was a little old because I remember being maybe like 10, 11, 12.
Steve Covino
But tell me. Those are great. But you just passed over Woody Woodpecker, Tom and Jerry and Droopy Dog. Yeah, and you can throw Chili Willy in that conversation.
Rich Davis
Those are better.
Steve Covino
Yeah, but you're gonna see like, you're from another planet.
Rich Davis
So you think DuckTales is not better than Droopy Dog?
Steve Covino
DuckTales has a great theme song.
Rich Davis
You don't think DuckTales is better, but.
Steve Covino
You totally dismiss Danny G's. Like, those are legend.
Rich Davis
You think Woody Woodpecker is more entertaining, but you think he's more entertaining. If you were to sit down right now as a grown man at 40 something years old, and I said, objectively, watch Woody Woodpecker and then objectively watch DuckTales.
Steve Covino
Here's the difference. One's a classic, one is not.
Rich Davis
Get out of here. DuckTales is classic to you. No, to everyone.
Danny G
Okay, Droopy holds up. Remember the famous episode?
Rich Davis
I don't like anything. Groupy Boobs. Cartoons, Anything. I don't want Saggy Asses. I don't want Drew.
Steve Covino
I don't want to. I don't like Kobe.
Danny G
He's like the sheriff in Butch, I think is the name of that. That Neme. And he keeps, like, smashing his finger and he has to run outside to scream. There are some legendary cartoons from that era.
Rich Davis
I'm not a fan of Droop, but, hey, good one, Danny. Good one, Man.
Steve Covino
Rich is just. He's Just hard to play.
Rich Davis
No, but I think you guys are, you know, it is. I think you guys. And I'm surprised because Danny's got a little one. He's got koa. I think when you go back and watch a lot of these as an adult, like I said, sitcoms is one category, but even cartoons, you're a lot of times sadly disappointed. Like, oh, this doesn't hold up. And the ones that do are fascinating.
Danny G
Like slow old movies. I get your point. But for cartoons back in the day, they were more violent. There was more physical comedy involved. Things they can't get away with nowadays.
Rich Davis
My kids think Bugs Bunny's hilarious, but something that I did find funny. My kids love the wizard of Oz. But they were like, why is there a song with a million names for five minutes before the movie starts? Things were slower back in the day.
Steve Covino
I don't like the credits.
Rich Davis
Right.
Steve Covino
It's over.
Rich Davis
No, like, what are we doing?
Steve Covino
All right.
Rich Davis
I'm telling you right now.
Steve Covino
Well, why are we talking about this? Because Charlie Brown could have been in the NFL as a place kicker if stupid Lucy would have just gave him a shot one time. It debuted on this day in 1950, so got us thinking of old school cartoons and which ones are still special to us. If Rich took a again, he took a steamer on all of our favorites.
Rich Davis
Todd in Missouri might agree with me.
Steve Covino
Todd, go ahead. You're on the show.
Caller
Tom and Jerry was mine. But I actually, I did want to agree with you that Peanuts is trash.
Rich Davis
Thank you. You guys have, you know, there's the.
Danny G
Two people in America.
Steve Covino
Okay, then why do people still rock like Joe Cool Snoopy T shirts? What do you mean?
Rich Davis
Who Joe Cool?
Steve Covino
It's still an iconic, like character. Snoopy.
Rich Davis
Ask your daughter, Ask your teenage daughter if anyone gives funk or Wagdoll. Yeah, you like about Charlie Brown.
Sam
Mike Harmon, who is a host here, has a show from 7 to 10pm Pacific Time, has a Charlie Brown yellow and black shirt.
Rich Davis
He's an old ass guy.
Danny G
Mike Harmon.
Rich Davis
Come on. Are you making something? Come on.
Danny G
You act like peanut stuff doesn't sell nowadays. It does.
Steve Covino
That's what I'm saying. Like their merch is still a pop culture sort of thing internationally, not just here in America. Snoopy's iconic. Can you guys Snoopy lay on the top of the red?
Sam
I will agree with Rich real quick that DuckTales and all those.
Rich Davis
That.
Sam
What was the other one?
Rich Davis
Darkwing Duck.
Sam
I'm not saying those Tailspin Chippendale, those are all great.
Steve Covino
He paid no mind to the classics that Danny brought up.
Rich Davis
Well, these adult. The ones I'm naming are classic too. They're like 30 something years old. Now, question for you. Will you agree when you're done watching Thursday Night Football, when you're. When your team is on an off day from the MLB wild card or divisional round playoffs, when you're not watching the new season of Love is Blind, Because I know Danny's going to start that tonight if he already hasn't.
Steve Covino
Yeah.
Rich Davis
When you have a free moment, Season.
Danny G
Nine, when you have a free moment.
Rich Davis
Can you please honestly watch Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown and objectively come back and then say, rich, I'm sorry.
Steve Covino
If you do me a favor, I'll watch it. If you do me a favor.
Rich Davis
Yeah.
Steve Covino
Will you show your nose picking kids who have no attention span, just like their dad?
Rich Davis
Okay.
Steve Covino
Can you show them on Disney plus? Yeah. The legend of Sleepy Hollow with Ichabod Crane.
Rich Davis
That would sounds great. I will absolutely do that. I will show my kids Sleepy Hollow. But I want you to the headless horse. I want you to objectively watch the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown and come back.
Steve Covino
No, it's slow moving.
Rich Davis
We knew that. But come back the next day and say, rich, you know what? You're right. It has nostalgia for me. But watching it now, it's just a.
Danny G
Different style of cartoon, bro.
Rich Davis
I promise you.
Steve Covino
But you're also discrediting, like, the legacy of Peanuts. It had a long run and it still lives today. And the movie that came out in the like around 2015 did really well.
Rich Davis
So, Danny, when you brought this up earlier this morning when we were like doing our little prep and stuff, I had no clue I was gonna be so passionate about how much. Because the more I thought about it, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, it stinks. But go on. I appreciate.
Steve Covino
We'll wrap it up with your phone calls. The cartoons that we hold near and dear. On a throwback Thursday, old school, when 50 hits.
Rich Davis
Our buddy Sean hit us up that listens on the iHeart app out here in LA, Sean Weller said DuckTales all day. That's a classic. Now it's 30 plus years old. Danny, life is like. I love those here in duck ville. Duckland. Duck. Duck World. Duck World. But Duckburg, Danny, maybe it is duck. They've made so many different iterations now of DuckTales. Like my kids watch like a new fangled version of ducktales. It's that popular. All right, Dean in Kansas. What's up, Dino? What's up, bud?
Danny G
I think he's got a bad connection.
Rich Davis
I heard him. He said, Rich is right. All right, Mo in Arizona. What's up, Mo?
Steve Covino
What up, Mo?
Caller
Hey, afternoon, guys. You're crazy, man. Peanut still holds up, man. Snoopy Charlie Brown, man. That's those. I guess that must be a more of a generational thing.
Rich Davis
Mo, I think you're hot. Are you hot right now? You smoking Swede right now?
Caller
Correct me if I'm wrong. Look, I got. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you did right with the Looney Tunes. I like those. But was Pepe Le Pew low key, like a. A stalker?
Rich Davis
Yes. Pepe Lew is low key. Like, inappropriate. Like Pepe. Oh, y' all leave her alone.
Steve Covino
Yeah, he needs to take an HR course in today's world.
Rich Davis
Pew did not do that course that we do online.
Steve Covino
No, but, you know, props to Mo Blank, because he did all those voices, as you guys know. But it's insane because they're all so similar. But the personalities of the voices are also different.
Rich Davis
You don't realize when you hear them next to each other without seeing. You're right. They're very similar. And if you've never seen it, look, Sylvester's like Daffy.
Steve Covino
And it's also like Pepe Le Pew, which is also like Foghorn, Lego.
Danny G
It makes me think of Roadrunner, too. How violent and funny.
Rich Davis
I always. I thought anvils were going to be falling from the sky. As an adult, if you've never seen it, I'll give you another homework assignment. This is not going to take you as long as. Just go on TikTok or Instagram, look up old footage of Mel Blanc doing all those voices on, like, Johnny Carson or something. He's done them on, like, on, like, interviews. And watching him getting those cards. And Sylvester, and he does, like, the shaking of his face and stuff. It's.
Steve Covino
Porky Pig.
Rich Davis
Fantastic.
Steve Covino
I love all that stuff. But we'll wrap it up and say, enjoy your peanuts with your kiddos. Or just for nostalgic reasons, for yourself. The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown came out on this day in 1950. Well, not the cartoon, the actual comic strip.
Danny G
Yeah, that special came out this month in 66.
Steve Covino
I thought we reaped all the benefits, but Rich says no. I do want to say, before we wrap it up, major props from me to Tom and Jerry, all the Looney Tunes. And who else do I. And Woody Woodpecker. Those are my favorites.
Rich Davis
There you go.
Sam
I already saw Rocky and Bullwinkle, Yogi Bear. There's all those classics.
Rich Davis
We got more Kavino and Rich, we'll take more of your feedback. We'll talk some NFL Week five and hey, couple more games gonna be starting soon. Wild Card Week. Let's go. Kavin on Rich right here on Fox Sports Radio.
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Steve Covino
Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.
Matt Jones
What was that?
Steve Covino
Looks like something that should not be sold.
Matt Jones
Oh, my.
Steve Covino
So that was my other big Colts takeaway.
Matt Jones
They sold that?
Rich Davis
Yes.
Steve Covino
Might want to go back to the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that.
Matt Jones
Yeah.
Rich Davis
I thought the shape we had with.
Steve Covino
Pretzels was working pretty well.
Rich Davis
It's worked for generations.
Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go.
Steve Covino
I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73.
Matt Jones
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Steve Covino
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Rich Davis
Lasers, airplanes. It's a duck blur. Or rewrite history. DuckTales.
Steve Covino
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Rich Davis
For the record, I was I thought that this should be the super bowl halftime show.
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Rich Davis
Been the next Adam Vinitari, but that.
Steve Covino
Damn Lucy on this day. And again, cartoons and the references, they're all generational depending on when you grew up. Like Len from Idaho hit us up. He's like speed Racer, man. Go, Speed Racer, go. You know, for me, I grew up in an era of Looney Tune reruns and plastic Man's comedy adventure show and he man and things like that.
Rich Davis
It's funny you'd say we're going over the classics. It's funny you would say he man because it wasn't a Saturday morning deal.
Steve Covino
No, that was an after school deal.
Rich Davis
So it was in a different category.
Steve Covino
In my mind, it is, it is.
Rich Davis
Almost like Thundercats is in a different category.
Steve Covino
You know what I liked about the Thundercats? They always shouted out the hoes.
Rich Davis
Hoes. So when you, when you shout out hoes, do you think of Hacksaw Jim Duggan or the Thundercats?
Steve Covino
Hacksaw. Yeah, Hacksaw Jim Duggan. So anyway, it's an exciting day. You could hear it in our voices. Danny G. Congrats to your Dodgers.
Danny G
Let's go.
Steve Covino
Yeah, man. Congrats again to the Tigers today. They were pumped, dude, the Tiger. Not that they shouldn't be. I'm just saying, if you didn't see the highlights yet, they were pumped.
Danny G
Yeah. Talk about a roller coaster ride.
Steve Covino
Yeah, the Yankees tonight. I mean, it's been great. Of course, you got your Thursday Night Football, so how could we not be excited?
Rich Davis
I don't want to interrupt, but we're, we're in a pivotal moment of this game right here. Cubby's up two. Oh. At home against the Padres. Second and third, two outs. And it's own two on Fernando Tatis Jr. So this could be a big playoff moment for him or he could come up, you know, short. Let's see what happens here. So I know we don't do play by play here, but it's one and two now, so we'll, we'll keep you posted. But based on that, it's a big moment right now. These playoffs are popping, man.
Steve Covino
They are. And the ratings prove that.
Rich Davis
As we discussed, every network, everything, attendance, you name it up.
Steve Covino
Well, let me ask you this. And I said, ax.
Rich Davis
Oh, Tatis, fly it out to. Right.
Steve Covino
Speaking of baseball, 2 0. There's a lot of buzz if you follow social media trends and if you don't, that's why we're here. We keep you up on it. I keep scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling so that you don't have to. I do the ball scroll. And people say I shouldn't sit that long.
Rich Davis
It's bad for you because it's bad for me. You're gonna get hemorrhoids.
Steve Covino
But I do it because I love you guys. I'm sitting there and there's a lot of buzz on social media about judge's legacy and how it all depends on whether or not he wins the big game. He wins the World Series, he wins it all.
Rich Davis
And I mean, it's the one thing that held back Don Mattingly.
Steve Covino
But it was saying, like, now it's like he still got years.
Rich Davis
I know. What I'm saying is when you think of all the Yankee greats, from the Babe to Yogi Berra to Mickey Mantle to Reggie Jackson to modern day Derek Jeter to Mariano Rivera, what do they all have in common? Their winners and champions? The one bummer, the one bummer for number 23, the great mustachio Dom Mattingly, was that he never, he never got one and his back injury took him out early. I think that a guy like here's the Aaron Judge needs a World Series to be a Yankee great.
Steve Covino
Here's my debate here. And I'm not saying that's not true because it's sports. You're defined by did you win or not, right? But Judge is in a different stratosphere. As much as I love Don Mattingly, he's one of my heroes. As much as I love Donnie Baseball and Don Mattingly, what Aaron Judge is doing for baseball is circus. Like it's ridiculous. As I joke, he's Herman Munster in pinstripes. And I say that because there was an episode where Herman Munster was hitting bombs because he's, you know, big Frankenstein month. He was just hitting bombs on a baseball team.
Rich Davis
You know what it reminds me of if you got kids, you ever watch the Sonic movies? Yeah. And who's the little red Sonic dude? Like nails or what is it?
Steve Covino
What is it?
Rich Davis
What are the nails or shadow or remember like they play baseball at one of the ends of the movies and he just hits the ball like that's how Aaron Judge. It's ridiculous.
Steve Covino
So is his legacy, his legacy when he has these circus numbers. He's a two time MVP going for his third MVP this season. Well, batting title, champion, Captain of the Yankees.
Rich Davis
Knuckles.
Steve Covino
Knuckles.
Rich Davis
Thank you, Sam. Knuckles.
Steve Covino
Is his legacy really defined on whether or not he wins the World Series and is the urgency really now here's the criticism.
Rich Davis
No one, no one says, well, Barry Bonds or Mike Trout or some of the. Or Griffey Jr. No one's saying they stink as they didn't win.
Steve Covino
So I know saying they're like, because they're exceptionally, they're extraordinary.
Rich Davis
He's like an automatic hall of Famer and legend. I get that Aaron Judge is the man. But I'm saying if you want to always go around with your Yankee shirt on and your pinstripes and your Yankees hat, you always talk about earn the pinstripes, the legacy. It's like the Lakers of baseball, right? It's, you know, there's franchises, the Celtics that are known to win. And if he plays his whole career as a Yankee, which will likely be the case, and doesn't have a World Series, you can't talk about him with the great Yankee lore of these other guys.
Steve Covino
I think this criticism comes because I think he's currently batting like.200 in the postseason.205. 205. And he needs that clutch performance.
Rich Davis
Well, guess what, he's four for eight this postseason. So so far, so good for you.
Steve Covino
So Judge's legacy, does he have to win? Think about it and we'll get to your calls, but Dan Byers got an update.
Rich Davis
What's up db?
John
Yeah guys, just this.
Steve Covino
Just saying.
John
Cavito and Rich find $5 million by the FCC for stealing play by play earlier. No, I'm kidding.
Steve Covino
Yes, Rich. I blame Rich.
John
That's. I'll tell you what. Right now, the Cubs still hold on to that two nothing lead against the Padres. Bottom of the fifth inning. Earlier today in Cleveland, it was a maybe not all, but a wild card series between the Tigers and Guardians.
Rich Davis
First pitch swing a line drive base.
Caller
Hit into right, Perez into score. Torkelson will stop at second base.
Rich Davis
61 Tigers bats are booming in the seventh against Hunter Geddis.
John
A four run seventh for the Tigers allowed them to top the Guardians. 6 3. So Detroit moves on to face Seattle in the American League Divisional Series. Red Sox and Yankees, you guys talked about it tonight, 8:00 Eastern. Winner gets Toronto. Some injury news from the NFL. No practice for Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, his teammate, safety Kyle Hamilton. Corner Marlon Humphrey and linebacker Roquan Smith also missed workouts today. Commanders will not have Terry McLaurin or Noah Brown as the wide receivers have been ruled out against the Chargers. And D Bill Samuel missed his second straight practice today. Buccaneers running back Bucky Irving didn't practice again. He's dealing with foot and shoulder injuries. Baker Mayfield did practice for Tampa. Panthers running back Chuba Hubbard missed practice. He's dealing with a calf injury. Second straight day he's missed. Niners and rams. Tonight, 850 eastern time tonight. And on three is reporting that executives with the NCAA are moving closer and closer to expanding both the men's and women's NCAA tournaments to 76 teams. That change would be in place for the 2027 NCAA tournaments. Guys, back to you just to don't do it.
Rich Davis
I mean it's like 60 something teams isn't enough. Come on, come on, you don't need that. And by the way, Dan, while you were doing that great update, the Padres are so, they were so shifted over. I know you can't shift the way you used to be able to, but Manny Machad practically shortstop, and the shortstop was right up the middle. That Michael Bush of the Cubs hit the weakest little pop up to third. Yeah, and it just dropped because he just dropped. He just couldn't get to it. They were, they were so shifting. But now a double player race is all that anyway. But still it was, it was wild to see. I was like, oh, that's a routine pop up to third. Machado wasn't there. There was no one there.
Steve Covino
Every moment counts. It's that time of year where Covino and Rich and we get to your phone call next judge's legacy on Fox Sports Radio.
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Steve Covino
Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game.
Matt Jones
What was that?
Steve Covino
That looks like something that should not be sold.
Matt Jones
Oh, my.
Steve Covino
So that was my other big Colts takeaway.
Matt Jones
They sold that?
Rich Davis
Yes.
Steve Covino
Might want to go back at the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah, I thought the shape we had.
Rich Davis
With pretzels was working pretty well for generations.
Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go.
Steve Covino
I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73.
Matt Jones
He is a young 73. He is spry.
Steve Covino
I wouldn't fight him.
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Rich Davis
Yo, yo. I was Sam playing some Darkwing Duck. Nice.
Steve Covino
Well, it's hot. Oh, wait.
Rich Davis
I'm sorry, Rescue Rangers.
Steve Covino
I'm more like a Batwing Duck right now.
Rich Davis
Sorry.
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Rich Davis
You know what, I don't think this year but.
Steve Covino
Or does his stats alone put him up there with the Griffey juniors and other people you mentioned before that that never won, but we don't question their legacy.
Rich Davis
I don't think he has to win this year. But Aaron Judge can't retire without a World Series in pinstripes to be put in the conversation with Jeter and Mantle and Ruth. You'll just say he was what, a great, Like a great offensive player? Like a Bonds or a Griffey or someone that just never.
Steve Covino
I would say. You'd still say he was probably the best right handed hitter we've ever seen in our life.
Rich Davis
All right, slow down.
Steve Covino
What do you mean, slow down? Are you. You're downplaying his numbers? I'm saying his numbers don't require any sort of win. It'll help his legacy. I want him to win more than anybody, but I'm not sure he's defined by that. I think he might be an exception.
Rich Davis
We have so many random things going on, questions behind the scenes and everything. But let's go real quick. Rapid fire. People still want to talk about all the cartoons. We threw it back with legendary cartoons on the anniversary of Peanuts.
Steve Covino
Peanuts. Yep.
Rich Davis
Calvin and Indy. What's up, man?
Caller
All right, guys. This is one of the best talk shows ever. In history. In life.
Rich Davis
Oh, just try. Love that.
Steve Covino
Yeah, I agree.
Danny G
That should be our slogan, y'.
Caller
All the best dude.
Rich Davis
That's a great slogan. We're gonna roll with that, Calvin. Thank you.
Caller
It's going back to my early days. I was a manager at McDonald's. We used to rush home from McDonald's to watch Voltron. Defender of the Universe.
Steve Covino
Yeah.
Rich Davis
Yo, Calvin. Good one, bro. Let's say hi to Ken in San Francisco. Hey, Ken.
Caller
Hey. What's going on, gentlemen?
Steve Covino
Yo.
Caller
So this is total. Totally generational. But Speedy Gonzalez would not fly today.
Steve Covino
I wear. You know, sometimes I wear a Slowpoke Rodriguez.
Rich Davis
His cousin was Slowpoke Rodriguez, which is a great character.
Steve Covino
He was basically stoned all the time. Yeah, but people. I'm half Mexican. People are like, I don't know, man. I don't know if you could wear that. This little racist.
Rich Davis
And you're like, but you're Mexican.
Steve Covino
Are you kidding? He's just a source of pride.
Rich Davis
Slowpoke Rodriguez.
Steve Covino
You're right. It wouldn't really fly today.
Rich Davis
Like we said before, same with Pepe Le Pew. Roscoe in Florida. What's up, Roscoe?
Caller
I'm loving it.
Rich Davis
What's up?
Caller
I can't believe y' all didn't mention Snoopy versus the Red Baron. That was a classic.
Rich Davis
Snoopy. Red Baron is classic. The Christmas song, right? Yeah, that is classic. But I'm telling you, the Charlie Brown Halloween Big Great Pumpkin stinks. Ray, you're on. Wrap this up. What's up, Ray? What up, Ray Ray?
Caller
Rich, you suck. I'm in Northern California in Peanuts territory, and my last name is Schultz.
Steve Covino
Oh, wow.
Rich Davis
Hey, Ray.
Steve Covino
Ray really offended this guy.
Rich Davis
Ray, I love you, bro.
Steve Covino
Let's end on that one.
Rich Davis
That was a great one, Rich. Sucks is a great call to end on.
Steve Covino
Our boy that called. Did he work at McDonald's or McDowell's? I couldn't hear.
Rich Davis
I think he's at McDowell's.
Steve Covino
McDowell's.
Danny G
The good news for Ray in Northern California is you might be picking his football team today.
Steve Covino
You know what?
Rich Davis
I'm going with the 49ers.
Danny G
Shocker.
Rich Davis
Getting eight and a half. Now, if you really want to be tricky, you want to be tricky Dicky. You know, I've been nailing these tease bets, Danny, knock on wood. We're sort of undefeated on these. Thursday and Monday, five and. Oh, right. So I like the Niners. Oh, my God. This is like a gift. Plus 14 and a half. Oh, so plus 14 and a half. What is the over, under for tonight?
Caller
That.
Rich Davis
That's always the tricky part. Do you go over or under 49ers? 43 and a half. Go over 37. And a half. Oh, we know. Hold on. Robert Salah's defense might keep him in check. Go under. It's a Thursday short.
Danny G
Say when you don't overthink it.
Rich Davis
That's when you've been hitting so under 49 and a half. Under 49 and a half. Niners plus 14 and a half. Let's hope Salah's defense controls the tempo now. Something I want you to think about for tomorrow. Ask your wife, ask your kids. Camino asked the dumbest, funniest question off the air with smart spot in your life. What athlete's name do you think you've said the most in your lifetime? In your lifetime? Because we were like, man Kavino. Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge. And I'm like, you know, what do you think you've said Aaron Judge as much as you've said Jeter?
Steve Covino
I don't know. When you pass though, you. You go through the pearly gates and they hand you a DVD and a piece of paper and all your stats are there?
Rich Davis
I think so, yeah.
Steve Covino
So you'll find out then. But we'll discuss that and more. Plus the new game Brainwave. We'll do that tomorrow. Weekend hobnobbing. Get ready for the weekend.
Rich Davis
But what's the chances the Niners and the Yankees win tonight?
Steve Covino
Hopefully good for us.
Rich Davis
Yeah, I hope so.
Steve Covino
Remember, over promised premieres next. So join us on Cavino and Rich FSR on YouTube episode 111. Let's go. All right.
Rich Davis
Until then. Or even there too, baby.
Steve Covino
See you in the over promised land.
Rich Davis
Go Yankees. Yeah.
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Date: October 3, 2025
Hosts: Steve Covino, Rich Davis, Danny G, Sam
This episode is a freewheeling mix of sports talk, pop culture nostalgia, and robust debate as Covino, Rich, and crew dive into the legacy of Peanuts (Charlie Brown and friends) on its 75th anniversary, debate which classic cartoons truly stand the test of time, and discuss pivotal moments from NFL and MLB. The show brims with playful ribbing, sharp takes, and a live connection to their passionate audience through call-ins and social media feedback.
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