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this self made man myth.
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Because you don't want to be self made. It's low class to be self made. This idea that we have today is the opposite, right? And it comes from Franklin.
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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. My Golden Knights come from behind, down a couple of goals and beat the Hurricanes 54 up 10 in the series. In fact, the Golden Knights, first road team in NHL history to win a Game 1 Stanley Cup Final after trailing by multiple goals. Also keep in mind the team that has won Game one of the Stanley cup final has gone on to win the series 65 of 86 times. And if I do the math, that's a little over 75% of the time. It was exciting. It was fun, you know, nine goals scored and game one in the books. Game one tonight, the Knicks are a four and a half point underdog against the San Antonio Spurs 8:30 Eastern on ABC. We'll talk to Reggie Miller a little bit later on, get his thoughts on what he thinks will happen in this series. Ryan Rosillo, Barstool Sports. He'll be covering the NBA Finals. He'll join us as well. Is it the Rams versus the field? We'll discuss that. We'll hear from Sean McVeigh and get his thoughts on maybe getting Aaron Donald out of retirement. There were a couple of reports yesterday, including some text messages. Pat McAfee reached out to Aaron Donald Trump of maybe getting him back. I'd be all in on this if I'm the Rams. What do you want? There's no downside to this. I would say to Aaron Donald, you want to play home games? You want to play? We're not going to have you play 60 or 70 plays. We're going to have you play 35, maybe 40 plays. That would be it. We want you ready for the postseason. And I would just gear up as if you were, you know, on a minute's restriction with him, a play restriction with him, have him out there, certain situations. And if you could have Aaron Donald, even Aaron Donald half the time, even just home games, I would say absolutely, sign me up because you got that guy with Miles Garrett, now you're ready to go. And a defense that got roughed up, I think five or six times last year, gave up over 30 points, including two games against Seattle. All right. 877-3DP Show Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show we say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app. And we say good morning to our radio affiliates as well. Victor Wimbanyama hits the worldwide stage tonight. It's one thing when you have somebody during the regular season, you'll see some highlights. You might watch a game or two, but for the most part, I think most of your NBA fans consume highlights, not games. Unless it's your team, then you're going to be watching the totality of a season, a game. But this is different because now you're on the big stage. It's not just about highlights. This is about watching the entire game. And that's fun for me. I like when you get. You're almost forcing people to watch a game instead of just a clip, because somebody can watch a highlight and go, man, you know who's great? And you go, who? And then they'll tell you. And you go, did you watch the whole game? No, I saw a highlight. Well, that's how we're consuming sports now. And sometimes we think something is, boy, that was a great game. I'll go, no, no, no. A great finish. That doesn't mean it's a great game. Like, even the Western Conference Finals, it was a battle. Those weren't great games. I mean, the first game over time, and Wemby had an unbelievable performance. I didn't think they were great games. Where it came down to, you know, diagramming one last shot, it was okc. When they look great, they won. When San Antonio looked great, they won. You know, the Knicks, it was interesting when they faced the Hawks when they're down 2:1. After that, it wasn't interesting. I mean, Cleveland, where you're down 22 and then you come back and that was pretty much the series, because I didn't think Cleveland was anywhere near what the Knicks were as far as talent goes. And they ended up getting swept. Of course, now you got a battle here. I expect this to be a battle, I think. Now let's separate the Knick fan from reality here, if you can do that. And that is, I think the Knicks are a great team. I think they. They figured out cohesiveness, they figured out roles. I. I don't think they're deep, but I do think that they're really good. And San Antonio is really good as well. And I know we're going to talk about experience or lack thereof. Well, the Knicks haven't been here. Like, I know they've been in the NBA for a while. They're older players. In fact, San Antonio is the second youngest team in NBA Finals history. They average around 24 years of age. The Portland Trailblazers in 1977, 78 were the only team that were younger than them. I know the experience. You already went through OKC at OKC in a game seven. I think you're going to be okay. Oh, the Garden, okay, well, Castle was played there. He played college games there. Harper has got NBA pedigree. Wemby's played in the Olympics. I don't look at that and go, boy, these guys are going to be uptight. If anything, once it gets to the Garden, it feels like the pressure is on the Knicks because that, that crowd, they, they, you better be good. You better be great. We came out, we, we spent all this money to watch you play. You better be great. San Antonio, that's. That fan base is not turning on you. On and maybe turning on you is kind of a harsh description with the Garden, but the Garden does demand great basketball and they will want that when this series goes back to New York. But San Antonio, if you look at the history of teams that have come off multiple seven game series before they get into the finals, they normally don't do well. The Knicks are rested. I know maybe, you know, this is one of those rest and rust conversations we can have after game one. But San Antonio might be on just adrenaline alone, you know, have the edge going into game one because you might say, well, the Knicks are rested, okay. I think San Antonio is on that high that they had against okc and it wasn't that long ago. It's not like seven days ago. Now you're ready to go. We know what it means to Wemby, these younger players. It doesn't feel like the moment is too big. Now. I've seen that before with Chad Holmgren. The moment was too big for him. And you could say, well, he is young, right? Played in the NBA Finals. He's played in a couple of game sevens. It shouldn't have been too big for him. I expect to have a lot of conversation about just how great Jalen Brunson is. Wemby, the, I guess different things that he could do at both ends of the floor. But I hope that you get you shine the spotlight that Dylan Harper, Stefan Castle, de' Aaron Fox, Carl Anthony Towns changing his game. Bridges is the guy who got, you know, traded for five players. First round picks. OG and Anobi, I think might be the guy that decides this. His ability to be able to try to cover Wemby, if that's possible. So there's a lot of different storylines here. And I'm excited about it. I mean, I like the Indiana portion last year just because Indiana, it felt like they were on this historical run and maybe they had fate on their side, but OKC winning its first championship. So that you're looking for storylines every year that I covered the NBA Finals, what is the storyline now? You know, I was treated to Jordan, so the storyline was going to win another one, going to win another one, going to win another one. But we did have Seattle storyline. We had Charles Barkley storyline, Malone and Stockton storyline. So you. You have that, but you want to have the best basketball on display. And I think if you were going to script this, I think the NBA now, it's not scripted. I would say that they did a pretty good job if they could script it. If you can't get the Lakers in there, having the Knicks against San Antonio, that would be high on my list. Yes. Marvin.
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Yeah. This is the best case scenario for the NBA because Wemby is officially the face of the NBA, right?
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This is what they've wanted. Because you're trying to transition yourself out of the LeBron and Steph era.
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Or we need somebody who's must see tv, joker, sga, great players, but this guy, you gotta see him.
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Yeah, I don't know if there's anybody else on that list. Like, Anthony Edwards does not want to be the face of the NBA. He said it. I think he's a great player. I just think people don't watch him during the regular season. You see him in the postseason, and we all say the same thing. Man, he kind of reminds me of Jordan and then it goes away. John Morant, I don't know if he wants to be professional. Zion, same thing. I mean, he got guys who got in, got paid. I don't know if they care. Wemby cares. Like, when's the last time you saw somebody? And yes, he did cry after winning the Western Conference finals. Get over yourself. Nothing wrong with a grown man crying. I do it all the time. He won the Western Conference finals. He said, man, he's. He says, the Larry o' Brien trophy means so much to me. How many of these kids who are in their 20s even know that it's the Larry O' Brien trophy that they hand out? Like, who's Larry? Yeah. Wait, is this Larry o' Brien? Bird, what's this trophy for? I love that. I love what it means. I love how the Garden is going to just be thumping. It's going to be great having been in that place for a variety of events, no NBA Finals. But to be in there for playoff games, hockey, college basketball, Big East. I know what it sounds like. This will be unlike any other event that's been in there in the last 30 or 40 years, even going back to 1999. I mean, and Wemby wasn't alive in 1990. Not even close. Tim Duncan was 22 at the time. But I don't think many people thought the Knicks had a great chance against that spurs team. Yes, Marvin.
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Yeah. The city's going to be rocking the Knicks. This is the only time in my lifetime where the entire city will be behind one team. The only time that's even been remotely close is the 2001 Yankees. And that was because of 9 11.
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Yeah, yeah, good point. Yeah. Paulie.
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The NBA Finals will be broadcast to
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215 countries in 60 languages. And you don't know what this game will mean on players who are going to be watching this when they're young. Because that's where I go back to the Dream Team. The Dream Team gave us Wemby. The Dream Team gave us Luca. They gave us Joker. They. They gave us these players from around the world. And the NBA is reaping the benefits of that. I mean, David Stern, God rest his soul, he knew what he was doing. He wanted. He wanted global expansion. And the only way you were going to do that is if you humbled the rest of the globe. And they did that with the Dream Team. And those countries realized, can we have a Michael Jordan or Charles Barkley or Larry Bird? And you see, yes, they can. Yeah. Paulie, there's this great article from the
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USA Today a few years ago about the dream team in 92. And Dirk Nowitzki says, that's when I got into basketball. I was good. I was decent. But that's when I said, this is what I want to do.
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Book today Ryan Rosillo, host of the Ryan Rosillo show on Barstool Sports. Where are you right now?
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I am in San Antonio. Day two with no water in the hotel.
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What happened?
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We're just, we're low on water here, Dan.
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That help?
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Well, you're gonna have to go down to the Riverwalk to bathe.
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Yeah, it looks like that's frowned upon and I don't, I don't think I want to do it. Maybe day three though times will get desperate. I'm just glad I didn't bring like a girlfriend or something with me because it would have been tough to be like, hey, it's, we're gonna go to the game one of the finals, but you're not going to be able to bathe.
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Well, you know, you could ask maybe somebody with the Spurs. Could you shower? Hey, can I get there early? Can I shower before the team gets here?
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I've never thought of pulling the move of like I'm really interested in joining the gym. I'm moving into the community. You know, I picked up a job. It was what, could I just get a day pass and then shower, do some abs and go, this isn't for me.
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I mentioned that Ryan Windhorst talked about can Wemby be the face of basketball in the United States if you're not from the United States. Is he already the face of the NBA?
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He's already going to go into next year, I think wearing the belt of best player in the world. You know, there's, there's been title holders here for maybe a couple years. As you were talking about it, I was thinking about it because, you know that's different than, than maybe being the face of the NBA to being the accepted best player in the world because of just what he does defensively on top of everything else. But how many big guys have been the face of the NBA?
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Shaq was, I mean Bill Russell was or will sure probably were. Kareem, I'm guessing Giannis for a little while. Joker for a little while. Embiid wasn't the face even though he was an mvp. But yeah, we usually don't single out like Elijah. Juan was there with Jordan, so he wasn't the face of the league.
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But, but don't you Think, like, when we're talking about face, we're. We're talking about, like, a popularity thing more so than just the best single player. And I think Shaq's popularity, to your point, is like, he transcended just being the most dominant big man or dominant player in the league at those times. Like, he was a star. He was somebody kids were excited about. You know, that thing that you understand and covering sports for so long, like this person that's not just an incredible performer, but also attracts all of this outside interest. And I think wembanyama can do that. From a curiosity standpoint, the rule I always have is, like, if my mother were to walk by the TV and go, what's going on there? And then you explain for a couple minutes when Binyama and his backstory and the fact that they found a basketball player that basically pushes the boundaries of what we thought was possible from a human being, I think all of that, like, puts him on the path to be able to do it. But it's so foreign, like, what he is able to do. And I don't mean that because he's from another country, but, like, if you tried to describe what this guy was, or one day we'll have a player like this, I don't know that anybody would have ever believed it, but I do believe there's a personality aspect to being the face of the NBA that gets all sorts of generations excited about, you know, the. The attraction of the player and that personality.
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Yeah. I still think that Steph Curry is the most impactful player in the history, the NBA. From the standpoint of you can relate to him size wise, you can relate to him. Every kid wants to shoot threes. Not everybody can be the big guy, can dunk be Vince Carter, B74. But you're around Steph Curry and you go, that guy is doing that. Like, you couldn't be like Mike. Like, yeah, we wanted to. Nobody was going to be like Mike. We can be in our minds like Steph Curry and I. I think that impact is felt around the world. I mean, he just signed that shoe contract, what, 10 years, $400 million in China like this. I still think what he's doing will resonate more years from now just because he gave everybody at least that thought. I might be able to do this at a high level.
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You're right. Because you can watch women. Yaman be in awe. Nobody goes like, hey, I'm gonna do that now. No, you're not. You're not going to do that now. And I remember in the beginning with Steph, where, you know, talking about boundaries, I remember in the beginning thinking, is this real? And that was from a style. It wasn't, it wasn't that he was 7 4. I, I thought, is he actually going to be able to do this? Is he going to be able to take this many threes? Is he going to be able to pull up in this many different ways and keep furthering out, like, what's an acceptable shot? And it was so impressive that I was actually worried it was a little fluky that first year. Like, is, is this the new normal? And he changed the game from a playing style, like an influential way of approaching this that now everybody has just accepted as the norm.
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And we had a shot though, Ryan against okc, the infamous Breen Bang bang. And I thought, boy, he's going to get yelled at by Steve Kerr. And then when I asked her about it, he goes, no, I, I had to let him do it. I saw it too often. I had to let him do it because that shot is, I mean, that's the hash mark there. I mean, that was Caitlin Clark stuff now. But back then you're like, oh my God, he's going to get yelled at.
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Yeah, right. I mean, he's not only influential in a great way, just take all the bad shots high school kids are taking around the country.
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It is tough when you go and watch kids who are in the sixth grade, they, that's all they care about. They, they already got their, their three point celebration down. They just have to hit the three pointer first.
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Yeah, I'll go to some draft stuff and I'll see you guys pulling up and I go, are you just pulling up to show that you're willing to pull up? Because it doesn't go in. And we can blame Step for that forever. But, you know, I was listening to you talk about Ohtani Dan, and you know, I do think that there have been times in the past where like, some of us would even get into trouble by suggesting, hey, do you have to be American to be the face of the sport? Does there have to be some sort of connection? And, you know, I don't, I don't know. I mean, Ohtani's so guarded that you, you have to kind of play the game, I think a little bit as a personality to just want to expand everyone's interest in you. And as dynamic and ridiculous as Ohtani's impact is on this game, I wonder if Womenyama has, like, we're only year three into this, but if he were to Win this thing. Is there like an invitation into more of his personality that makes people feel like, okay, this is somebody that I'm. I know better and I'm enjoying the basketball part of it, but I also enjoy who he is. It's so early. Nobody hates him yet.
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Yeah. And I like the fact that he's pretty much been accommodating to the media. He's very interesting. He doesn't sound like a 22 year old. He truly cares about winning. He cared about the All Star Game. He cared about the Olympics. Like, there is something about him that's hard not to like. And Ohtani is not going to let you in, so we have to be from afar. Go, man. He is wonderful. Wemby's giving you personality to go along with everything else. I think that's the unique part of him. We're talking to Ryan Marcillo, the host of the Ryan Rosillo show on Barstool Sports, feels like these two teams are underdogs both. Do you get that feeling at all or is it just me?
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Well, the Knicks are underdogs because they're not the Spurs. And as incredible as this run is to win this many games in a row with that point differential, I mean, they just churn through the entire East. But I would tell you that watching the east in the playoffs, like every team became the worst version of themselves. Whether it was Detroit almost as you went eight seed and then Detroit advancing, and you go, my God, their offense really is this bad. You look at Cleveland, who took seven games to get through Toronto, and then you go, oh, okay, here we go again. It's an offense that I don't trust, players I don't necessarily trust. So credit to the Knicks for rolling through all of them. But their path was not even close to what it would take to get through okc. As you said that I go, I wonder where he's going here with the Spurs. But you're right. Six of their top eight players, Dan, have never played in the playoffs prior to this postseason. This is not supposed to happen. There are rules to NBA championships, and in the last couple years we've had, you know, a bending of those rules a little bit, where if you looked at the Pacers, you go, normally you have to have one of those 10 guys or two of those top 15 guys. And it was more about depth and a play style that got them the game set of the NBA Finals. But that's not normal. And here you have the spurs team where usually, you know, we've all grown up with you have to go through your playoff losses to get that seasoning. Okc, in a way, was kind of ahead of schedule to only have that second round loss to Dallas. Dallas, which I thought was disappointing prior to winning a title, but the spurs, you're not supposed to be able to do this with only playoff minutes from Harrison Barnes and de' Aaron Fox with your group.
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You posted something on social media, I think, yesterday about Charles Barkley. I think it was, you know, great game that he had like 47 points or something. And it made me think, I liken Charles Barkley to John Madden, that we don't realize people, a whole generation didn't realize that he was a Hall of Fame football coach. And I think there's a whole generation that's not going to realize Charles Barkley was one of the 50 greatest players, 30 greatest players of all time because he's so good at this job. John Madden was so good with his other job. I don't know if you can think of anybody else where you go, hey, did you realize that guy used to be. Because Charles certainly does. I mean, Dick Vital wasn't a good basketball coach. So it's not like you go, man, I didn't realize he was a good basketball coach. Is there anybody else that comes up that might be in that category with John Madden and Charles Barkley?
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Probably not that category. I remember as a kid being annoyed by Chris Collinsworth on games and now I love him. But when I was a kid and then I remember asking my dad, I was like, I hope he was terrible. My dad was like, no, he was actually really good. And now I appreciate Collinsworth now that I've done the job for a while. I remember Al McGuire. My dad would be like, oh, Al McGuire. He's just that whole thing like that family. So that was a little different. But I'm glad you said that. I was kidding around on the Charles would get 70 a game today just because I'm so tired of these eras battling it out somehow. People from the 90s ignoring human evolution and realizing like, look, there's just more talented players. I think some of the physical stuff is a little overrated because they show a Pistons clip of somebody getting murdered at the rim and you see it over and over and over again and you're like, you realize that didn't happen every single drive. And I think a lot of the defensive rules were really simplistic and all that kind of stuff. But you know what I. What I kind of despise about what has happened to the way we talk about this stuff is how simple everyone wants to make it. And I don't understand why the audience wants things to be so simple, whereas Charles somehow is a loser because he doesn't have a ring. When I look at Charles, look, I'm incredibly biased. Charles is my favorite athlete of all time. No one will ever surpass him. I worshiped him as a kid. It means the world to me that I became friendly with him through this profession that we have. But it's been so long that there are some games you go back and look at his run, where you're like, okay, I know he wasn't Jordan. I know he wasn't Magic. I know he wasn't Bird. But he's. It's forgotten how close he was, that those were his contemporaries. And I guess as a historian, I try to just battle that battle every day.
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Yeah, I've always been fascinated with Charles, because when you stand next to him and you realize, you know, when somebody says, you know, and he was listed at six, six. And I said, no, he's not six six. He maybe six four and a half. Maybe six, five. But when you see what he's doing, what he did, like, there's no one like him. That when. When you think of the NBA, there's all kinds of body types and there's all kinds of players, and you go, how did he do that? Like, he's in that category where you go, he just did it. He was powerful. He was big. He was coming at you. He wasn't stopping. And you're right. You know, he led the Dream team in scoring. He was. He was there. He. For a moment, he was there with Mike. And then Mike said, charles, I got some nice parting gifts for you, but I gotta go win a title.
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That Sun Series, to me is, you know, again, I was getting a little bit older there. I mean, my most disappointing sports memory as a kid is the 86 World Series. But I remember I was listening to that game on the radio because I was coming back home and I was on a boat. So I was like, how am I making. You know, how would I allow this to happen? And when that shot went in, I was just absolutely devastated, even though I was probably a little too old to be that devastated. But, you know, you said something earlier, before I jumped on about, like, Ohtani and Wembanyama, and the reason I've always loved basketball the most is that if you truly are that great, you can decide, all right, enough of this. Like, this is my possession. And in baseball, you can Hit it right at somebody. You can throw a perfect pitch if somebody gets on something. Football, you're relying on so many other things that are happening. And this isn't like, hey, basketball is the best because of all these reasons. But to me, basketball, if you are truly that great, your greatness is going to show up. And a lot of that is your mentality. And that's what I always loved about Chuck, is that Chuck would go, I'm now deciding to just impact this game with will alone and to bring it full circle. That's kind of what I love the most about women, Yama, is that he has shown there are times where he gets so mad at the opponent that he's almost willing to make a bad decision to show you that he's angry and that he's so forceful. And in those moments throughout the playoffs, like, that's the stuff I get as excited about any block or three that he makes.
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Great to talk to you. If anybody in San Antonio would like to let Ryan into their house so he can shower, you can get in touch with us. We'll certainly pass on that information. In fact, if you breathe in real deeply, guys, you can smell Ryan. It smells a little like Boston Victory. Oh, victory. Yes. That's what it smells. Victory smells like the Red Sox right now.
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That's not a compliment.
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It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.
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on NBC Lead Analyst if I told you in October these two teams would be playing for the title, you would have said what?
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You must be out of your mind. Theodore Look, I I think coming into the season I knew the Knicks would probably have a better shot at getting to the finals because this was supposed to be a gap year for the Celtics. They weren't supposed to be have the second best record. I knew Detroit would be good. Indiana was going to be down because of the Halliburton injury, so I would say New York was closer to getting to the finals. No one had the spurs on their bingo card playing this well all season long, having the second best record only two games behind okc who they Beat in the conference finals and getting to the NBA Finals. So no, I, I think the, the Knicks were closer, but the Spurs.
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No, I'm surprised at the spurs supporting cast because we're being introduced to them. Dylan Harper has, you know, matured right in front of our very eyes. Stefan Castle has done the same thing. Vassal as well, dear and Fox. We knew Wemby, of course, but I think that's been the bigger surprise. We, we know who the, the principles the pieces are with the Knicks, the San Antonio Spurs. I think that's been the pleasant surprise. Biggest surprise though out of that supporting group to you in San Antonio is
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who for a rookie to perform like this on the biggest stage and Dylan Harper coming off the bench. Look, there was only a handful of rookies even playing in the postseason this year. And Dylan Harper has been at the head of the class. And for him to show the type of poise that he has shown. Let's talk and think about this. This first team, the second youngest team to be in the finals behind I believe Bill Walton's Portland Trailblazers way back in the day. So for them guys and the trust that we got to talk about, the young head coach too, Mitch Johnson, it's just not the players, it's the coaching staff as well. So look, this is unchartered waters. We keep talking about experience. Experience matters. Oh my God. Winner. You know, they're going to run into OKC and the champs. They're playing their own playbook and they're going by their own rules. And here they are. They will be the betting favorites because of everyone you just mentioned. Having said all that, I, I said on your show what a week two weeks ago that I, I like the Knicks. I think how they played up to this point, my only reservation has been the long layoff. So Russ versus Rest, what we're talking about right now. But the way they've played up to this point, having won 11 in a row and revamped their offense during the middle of the playoffs. Theodore, think about that. They revamped their offense during the middle of the playoffs. Can that be successful against this the spurs team? I can't wait to see.
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All right, let's take Brunson and Wemby out of this. Next in line for MVP for you would be,
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I think for the, for the Knicks.
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Probably cat.
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For the, for the Knicks and I think for the Spurs. Wow. Everything evolves around him. But I would have to go Deer and Fox. I think, oh, his little bit of playoff experience will come to the Forefront tonight. And when you saw that in game seven, all the way up until that point, I know he had been struggling with, you know, a twisted ankle, a turned ankle. But if you looked at game seven, they looked for his leadership and he delivered. Again, Wimby will be the closer and all that, but Dear and Fox sneakily is, is the second best player on this team.
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You went to the NBA Finals in 2000, but you lost in the Finals, Conference Finals in 94, 95, 98, 99. Do you think that, that you know they talk about the experience of getting there and then, you know, losing and then getting over that hump, but did you need to lose four times in the conference finals?
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No, I didn't, I didn't need to lose more time.
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Look. But did you learn anything? Did you learn.
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Sometimes experience can be your best teacher. Don't get me wrong. Sometimes it's good. It's never good to take your own lumps, but you learn from them. But again, this is a new playbook that we're seeing unfolding in front of our eyes with this first team because again we keep harping on it and they keep proving all of us wrong. They're just going out there and playing and it's the old look. It was the Thunder and the Pacers last year, two young teams. There wasn't a ton of experience by both of those teams and especially the last year's champs, defender, you know, they took their lumps, you know, a couple of years ago versus Dallas. But again this is unchartered waters and I like that. It's like just go out and play and whatever happens happens. And they're proven a lot of people wrong.
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If I was going to have a dark horse, maybe a wild card for mvp, I would have OG Anunoby because if he's able to play Victor and contain him like he could be an Andre Igu dolla, kind of sneak in and steal the mvp. If I was going to look at that from the Knicks perspective, if I was going to look at with San Antonio, I'd probably go with Stefan Castle.
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I, I think you wouldn't be wrong because both guys defensive minded and both guys are going to have their hands
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full
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OG versus Wimby, that's going to be must see because are you going to go with size? Are you going to go with bulk and strength? And for Stefan Castle, his defense on Jalen Brunson, think about that. He's had to go against Denny Agvia first round versus Portland, then Anthony Edwards, then the two time MVP in sga. And now you get Jalen Brunson. So the run, wow, defensively that Stefan Castle is. Is going to be enduring is pretty remarkable. So, yeah, you can make a case for both of those guys.
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Reggie Miller, hall of Famer, NBA on NBC lead analyst if Chad Holmgren is your teammate, what are you saying to him?
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I'll probably take him to dinner and say, look, you know what the world is going to be saying about you. I think what he has going in his favor is that they did win a championship a year ago, and we did see on the biggest stage, he was pretty good. He just had one of those series, and we all have them. You know, I tell people this all the time. In 99, when we lost in one of those conference finals, you're talking about to the Knicks, a series that we should have won very much like okc. I didn't play my best in that conference finals, and I felt the weight of that. And I trained my behind off that summer, almost reinventing myself to come back for that moment. And fortunately, I had that moment a year later versus the Knicks conference finals. We won and we ended up going to the finals in 2000. I think Chet is going to have to look himself in the mirror and he's going to have to reinvent himself, and he's going to have to use what everyone is saying about him.
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Trade him.
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He's too soft. There was fear in his eyes. He's going to have to use all that noise to motivate him. I want to see. I. I don't think the Thunder will trade him. He's too young, he's too valuable of a piece. I think they'll add something to this Thunder team, but I don't think they'll trade him. I want to see what happens next year. Because if next year, if he comes back and he's in the same situation, because guess what? The spurs aren't going anywhere. Right? They're going to be there. He's going to have his opportunities versus Wimby versus the Spurs. Then if it's a stumble and fall down again, then the conversations will be very valid. And then if you're Sam Presti, you think about it. But look, if you're SGA and the rest of those guys. He helped you win a championship a year ago. You gotta give him a little bit of credit for that. But I want to see how he reinvents himself this summer. He's got it. He's got to work on his game. He's got to work on his strength and mentally, he's got to be stronger.
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Yeah. He's got to get to that Jalen Brown point where stop deferring. Like, be a force. Like, you got to demand the ball sometimes you don't take a shot. In the second half of game seven of the Western Conference finals. Let's.
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Theodore, could you hear my angst on that?
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Yeah, I could.
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Every time the ball was swung to him. I mean, one time during the game, I was like, take him.
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Did Chad, did Chad hear you?
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Because I felt like he may have heard me because I kept elbowing Jamal next to me, and we kept looking at one another like, is he hurt? Is he sick? Like, it was, like, mind blowing. Because you just wanted him to compete. That's all you want guys to do at this level.
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But Reg, Reg, I got to ask, like, I got to put a little bit on the coaching staff, too. Like, you're coaching him. I know it sounds crazy to say be more aggressive. Want the ball, you know, be an offensive force, but is somebody yelling at him to, to be aggressive, to attack? You know, Wemby had five fouls at
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one point, but I, I don't think that's coaching. If anyone, it should be the other players. Like, if I swing you the ball.
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Yeah.
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And you have a spot up, three, take it or pump fake one, dribble in. You just don't defer and throw to, you know, to Isaiah Joe or to Lou Dort. I mean, I don't care if you miss 10 in a row, but as long as you're being aggressive and he thinks that you're going to shoot. Wimby, or he thinks you're going to attack him. Wimby, that's helping us out. But when he was just deferring it again, he's, he's got to reinvent himself and get back in the lab.
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Okay. If Giannis is available and Milwaukee goes, we'll take some draft picks, first round picks, and we'll take Chet Holmgren.
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I, I would like that piece with Giannis with the Thunder, if they can keep check now if Hartenstein is in that deal with those picks. Possibly. But again, I don't know the I,
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I have to have Chad. I, I, I, I like Isaiah Hardenstein. You're right.
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They're gonna want Chad. Yeah, don't get, they're gonna want Chad. I mean, he's what, 20, 24?
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No, I'm gonna ask you right now. The Bucks call and they say three first round picks and we want Chad Holmgren and we're going to give you Giannis.
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Look, you're going to listen hard. If you're Sam Presti, what would you do?
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Oh, my God.
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And giannis is what, 34, right?
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30. 32 this season, I believe. I think we talked about this. 31 now, be 32 next season.
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That is a really hard call. It really is. I can make a case both ways. But if you're trying to win now, and you would think. You would have to think long and hard about it, but I would love to keep chair. I would.
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Reggie, I've got you on the phone. You got to make a decision here. You can't. I can see it both ways.
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Oh, I don't. I.
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Hold on, hold on. I got the Lakers on the other line. Hey, what do you want to do here?
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The. The Lakers don't have the assets we do. That's what I'm saying. Lakers don't have the assets we do. Let me get. Let me give back.
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They want to give Austin Reeves and they want to give.
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No, that's not. Chad is. Chad would be better than Austin. No, no.
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Okay, so you're. So you're keeping Chad Holmgren and you're not trading free on us.
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I'm still looking to trade for him. Just not getting.
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You got it. You have to give up Chad Holmgren. Hold on. The Clippers are on the other line.
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Okay. That's a different question. I don't know.
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I love.
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Look, I love me some Giannis, but you're gonna have somewhat of a spacing problem with him and sga.
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I agree. You know what?
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I'm gonna. I'm keeping check.
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Okay. All right.
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Keeping chat.
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All right, fine. The. So you got the Knicks in six.
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I think this goes seven. I think the Knicks are capable of winning a game seven on the road in San Antonio. This is going to be very competitive. Here's the things that I want to see especially early on. Game one will be interesting because I talk about the. The rest versus Rust. The Knicks are going to have to run, which they've done all postseason. You can't play slow down basketball versus this spurs team because they're too good defensively. And we talked about the OG and the matchup. I think that when he's going to be on Josh Hart, they usually put him on the.
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Yeah, yeah.
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The most ineffective three point shooter. If Josh Hart is making threes, which we saw the last two rounds he did, that makes it interesting because you've got to try to pull Wimby away from the paint because they do such A great job of switching, and he finds himself always in the paint. So all those drives are nullified. If Hart can make threes, if Landy Shammick can make threes, and then if you pull them from the paint and you're taking these threes, that's when Karl Anthony Town should have the advantage on the offensive glass, because that means Julian Champagne or Devin Vassell, those guys are guarding him. Him and Mitchell Robinson, if he does play, which I think he's going to play, with that broken pinky crashing the boards. If the Knicks can do that, they're going to be successful. If they can draw Wimpy from the paint, we're going to see what. What we've seen all postseason teams scared to get in there. And the spurs will dominate.
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Yeah, it might come down to something simple, like, can Josh Hart make threes? Can Stefan Castle make threes? Because if I'm the Knicks, I'm going to say to Stefan Castle, if you beat me out there, good for you. You deserve it. But I want you taking those shots. And Josh Hart, they might be saying the same thing. We're not letting Brunson, we're not letting Carl Anthony Towns beat us. If you beat us, you're a better man and a better team.
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And to your point, I will say this stuff on Castle. He understands that teams are doing that and he still puts his head down and gets in. What I would do, too, if I'm the Spurs, I am going to put whoever Jalen Brunson is going to be guarding, he will be in every 45 action. That high screening role, either you're going to switch or you're going to try to fight your way over. But Brunson and Cat will be in every action to make those two guys work defensively.
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We were talking about the greatness of Barkley, that people kind of forget that he was a great player. They see him now as a great analyst. Like, you know, I mentioned John Madden. People forget he was a Hall of Fame coach. They're like, oh, that guy. But Charles, like, it's so strange to tell people about when you say that guy right there was unbelievable. And if they didn't see him like Shaq, you get. Because you go, okay. God, that guy's so big. Like, how would you describe Barkley? Because he's shorter than you are and was not afraid of anybody who was seven feet or bigger.
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You know, I. I tell people in today's game, there's a few people that would be like Shaq in today's Game. I don't know how they. These young guys would have ever guarded Shaq. I put Charles in that same category because at 6, 4, 6, 3, maybe even, he was one of the strongest men I'd ever seen. And this is a guy. He was country strong. He didn't. He wasn't in the weight room like Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone and throwing around stacks of weight. He was country strong and he could do everything from shoot threes. We know about the rebounding, but was tough as nails. I mean, guys were just flying off him. People don't understand. And, you know, he gets the knock, obviously, like myself, of not winning championships. The error that we played in, man, and some of the dudes that we went against, it just wasn't stacked and in our favor. But I would put Charles on one of my all time teams. Just if you needed a bucket.
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Okay, would you if I said, you can have Tim Duncan or Charles Barkley.
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Here we go again. Here we go again. You're not getting me in trouble.
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You're off duty, Reg. You're off duty the whole summer.
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Now, look, Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward of all time. So I would take Timmy, okay. Because Timmy played obviously, at both ends of the floor, too. At both ends. But that's not to knock Charles. Charles would have given Timmy problems. He would have given Timmy problems. I'm just saying.
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Okay, that's not why. It's not a tough question.
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No, it's not. I mean, out of those two, who would you. Who do you like?
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Duncan.
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Duncan. Yeah. I mean, that's the right answer, but Charles is knocking on the door.
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Fritzi, is Charles with us?
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Up and around right now?
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All right. Okay, Charles.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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Karl Malone. Charles Barkley.
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Charles Barkley.
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Okay, Todd, is Carl Malone on the phone? He's right there.
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Because I've seen a large sample size of that up close in the 96 Olympics, so. I know, and Carl is great, don't get me wrong, but Charles and I were like, joined at the hip in the 96 Olympics. We did. I mean, everything on and off the car, we were together, but the practices were better. Were, of course, better than the games. And those two had to lock up every single day in practice.
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Did you get in trouble with Charles?
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We didn't get in trouble, but we ruled Atlanta.
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We were running the 96 Olympics Magic City Wings.
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No, we weren't in Magic City. No, no, no. Well, we were running the Olympic Village.
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Okay. Thank you, Reg.
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I appreciate it. Theater. Hey, congratulations to you and Fritzy, man.
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That.
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That. That is just special. I'm glad just to know both.
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24 years. 24 years. We've been together longer than you and your wife have been together.
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Oh, my God.
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You're right.
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You're right. Let me see. 25 is what? That's the silver anniversary.
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Yeah. Yep.
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Oh, my goodness. Fritzi, I'm proud of you, man. I'm proud that you've been able to put up with these.
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Proud of him, you know? Come on.
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I'm just honored to know both of you gentlemen and all my Dan eds.
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I'm like Phil Jackson with Dennis Rodman. I'm just hoping that he shows up and wants to play.
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Look, Chrissy, he was the main one to help me facilitate this. You know, what we have here, it's been all fritzing. I love you, Theodore.
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Don't get me wrong.
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Our chemistry is great, but people need to know what goes on behind the scenes. You move the envelope.
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Okay. You move the needle about. A round of applause for Fritzi. Yay. Reggie Aloysius Miller Jr. III. Thank you, Reg.
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