The Best of The Dan Patrick Show

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show: The Best of – May 20, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of "The Dan Patrick Show" zeroes in on the dramatic NBA playoff showdown between the New York Knicks and the Cleveland Cavaliers, with a heavy focus on the Knicks' historic comeback from a 22-point deficit. Dan and the team dissect coaching decisions, standout performances (especially Jalen Brunson’s heroic effort), and the collapse of the Cavs. The episode also features a deep dive with ESPN’s Tim Legler on what this result means going forward, an inside look at NFL scheduling and international expansion with Albert Brear, and plenty of Dan’s trademark humor and candid takes.

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Main NBA Playoff Discussion: Knicks’ Comeback vs. Cavaliers

Breakdown of the Game

• Momentum Shifts and Analysis
  • Knicks were down by 22 but launched an extraordinary 44–11 run to ultimately force overtime and win 115–104.
  • Dan emphasizes how this wasn't just a loss, but “feels like one and a half losses” for Cleveland, with potential to impact the rest of the series ([02:06]–[04:54]).
  • “The Cavaliers didn't call any timeouts during that 25-point run… I think Kenny Atkinson fell asleep at the wheel.” (Dan Patrick, [02:49])
• Key Players & Coaching Critiques
  • Jalen Brunson’s clutch performance highlighted as the catalyst for NY’s rally.
  • James Harden’s defensive liabilities exploited, was repeatedly targeted in switches.
  • Kenny Atkinson’s failure to call timeouts during the Knicks’ run is heavily scrutinized.
  • “That's not unlucky… 44 to 11 is not unlucky. That's just bad, bad defense.” (Dan Patrick, [05:23])

Panel Reaction & Notable Moments

• Hosts Detail Their Viewing Experience
  • Multiple crew members admit turning off the game with the Knicks so far behind, only to be lured back by the comeback ([07:23]–[08:05]).
  • “Over the last two postseasons, the Knicks have four comebacks of 20-plus points. That’s more than any other team in the NBA.” (Dan Patrick, [08:05])
• Cleveland’s Collapse
  • Debate over whether the game was a great comeback or a massive collapse.
  • “The Cavs played not to lose the lead. And when you play that way in sports, bad things are going to happen.” (Tim Legler, [21:58])

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Key Interviews & Deep Dives

Tim Legler Interview: NBA Analysis

Segment Start: [19:55]

On the Knicks’ Comeback & Cavs’ Collapse

• Knicks “had no rhythm offensively” until late, when Brunson single-handedly turned the momentum ([20:31]–[22:41]).
• Cavs “got incredibly tight on the offensive end,” started “playing as if they wanted the clock to run out rather than play with… urgency.” (Tim Legler, [22:18])

Coaching Decisions: Timeouts & Defensive Adjustments

• Timeouts:
  • Legler criticizes Atkinson for holding onto timeouts:
    • “The last thing you want to do as a coach is get back to the hotel room in New York, reach in your pocket and pull out a couple of timeouts… They’re there for a reason.” (Tim Legler, [23:01])
• James Harden on Defense:
  • “You’ve got to talk through the fact that you don't need to switch all of those ball screens… You didn’t need to do that. Some of those are unnecessary switches 35-40 feet from the basket.” (Tim Legler, [23:44])

The Weight of the Loss

• “Not every loss carries the same weight… That one is not the same as just, for instance, what happened to the Thunder.” (Tim Legler, [25:13])

Wembanyama & Defensive Impact in Today’s NBA

• “When Victor Wembanyama gets it going offensively… there’s nothing like that in the league. He’s… got his hands on the Defensive Player of the Year for the next decade.” (Tim Legler, [29:06])
• Dan proposes a new stat: “Shots discouraged” due to Wemby’s psychological impact on opponents ([32:49]).

Garden Celebrity Sightings

• “Ben Stiller, Tracy Morgan… These guys live it, love it. They’re not just showing up to be seen.” (Tim Legler, [33:50])

Jason Kidd’s Firing & Mavericks Reset

• “This is what this is. It's a reset… a whiteboard. Let’s start over. And there’s one name on it, and it’s [Cooper] Flag at the top.” (Tim Legler, [34:46])

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Roundtable and Listener Calls

Betting Angles & Poll Questions

• High drama for bettors with the Cavs–Knicks point swing, discussing bad beats and rare betting outcomes.
  • “Favorites of six-plus points who trailed by more than 20 at any point and trailed by more than 10 entering the fourth quarter were 3–379 against the spread the last 20 years.” (Dylan, [12:31])

Celebrity Fan Banter

• Light-hearted discussion about Lenny Kravitz attending the game, his age, and celebrity seating at Knicks playoff games ([15:43]).
• “I can't criticize Lenny Kravitz to look the way he looks… He can wear whatever he wants. He’s Lenny Kravitz.” (Dan Patrick, [15:43])

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NFL Business: Scheduling, International Expansion, and the Super Bowl

Albert Brear Interview – Start: [38:29]

International Games & Scheduling

• NFL eliminates protections for international games; now any game can be moved overseas to create more value for broadcast partners ([38:57]).
• Discussion on increased willingness to schedule Thursday/Friday night games, remove post-international trip byes, and the business motivations for these decisions.

18-Game Season Prospects

• NFL has not set exact Super Bowl dates for coming years, possibly anticipating an 18-game regular season.
  • “The owners want to go to 18 games. The question is how soon they can do it and what players will get in return.” (Albert Brear, [41:38])
• Negotiation sticking point: players must agree, as this increases the physical barrier to lucrative second contracts ([42:29]).

NFL Schedule Inequities

• Example: Panthers will travel 8,700 miles, 49ers nearly 38,000; discussion about competitive fairness and wear-and-tear ([44:04]).
  • “Does travel matter over the course of a season? Does it impact performance or injuries?” (Dan Patrick, [44:04])

Super Bowl & Draft City Rotation

• NFL giving the Super Bowl or Draft as a reward to cities building new stadiums.
• “Cleveland’s hotel infrastructure isn’t close to Nashville’s; that’s why they’ll get a draft, not a Super Bowl.” (Albert Brear, [48:11])
• “The draft has kind of become what they give the cities that build new stadiums that aren’t equipped to host Super Bowls.” (Albert Brear, [48:11])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Collapse:
  • “That's not unlucky… 44 to 11 is not unlucky. That's just bad, bad defense.” – Dan Patrick ([05:23])
• Timeout Philosophy:
  • “The last thing you want to do as a coach is get back to the hotel room in New York, reach in your pocket and pull out a couple of timeouts…” – Tim Legler ([23:01])
• On Wemby’s Defensive Impact:
  • “They should almost have a separate award for the runner-up [Defensive Player of the Year]… because it’s going to be Wemby for a long time.” – Tim Legler ([29:06])
• On Super Bowl Infrastructure:
  • “Cleveland’s numbers [on hotel rooms] are around 22,000. That’s a massive difference.” – Albert Brear ([48:11])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Knicks–Cavs Game Breakdown: [02:06] – [09:55]
• Tim Legler Analysis: [19:55] – [35:42]
• Albert Brear NFL Interview: [38:29] – [51:50]
• Celebrity Sightings & Banter: [15:43]; [33:50]
• Betting & Poll Results: [11:40]; [12:31]

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Tone & Style

True to form, Dan Patrick and the crew mix astute sports analysis with a conversational, humorous style. The hosts don’t shy from strong opinions, especially regarding coaching blunders, and their authenticity shines through. Frequent banter about pop culture, celebrity fans, and sports business keeps the energy lively and engaging.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode provides a masterclass in dissecting a playoff collapse while exploring the evolving business of sports broadcasting and the NFL’s global ambitions. Between sharp NBA insights, NFL maneuvering, and a healthy dose of pop culture, listeners are treated to the blend of wit, depth, and authenticity that defines "The Dan Patrick Show."

Transcript

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[Chris from Syracuse]

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. Boy, you want to talk about a game within a game within a game. Knicks down 22. They force overtime. They go on a 44 to 11 run to close things out. 115. 104, you start to look at this, and I always look sometimes at the loss. Is it more than just a loss? And this one feels like it's one and a half losses. This is one of those that spills over to game two on Thursday night, which, by the way, the Knicks will be favored by six and a half at home. The Cavaliers had their moment. We saw the spurs take advantage of their moment. Cavaliers did not. I didn't understand a lot of things that happened. Everything was going well, couldn't have gone better. You're dominating, you're up 22. And then all of a sudden, the Knicks decided to act like the Knicks. The Cavaliers didn't call any timeouts during that. That run of, you know, about 25 points. And I kept thinking, just momentum wise, just break up something instead of watching your team play. And I think Kenny Atkinson fell asleep at the wheel, where you go, we're playing great. We're kind of playing great. We're sort of playing great. Wait, we're not playing great. Oh, no, it's too late. And then the Knicks, and, you know, Jalen Brunson did what you want great players to do. Now. It helps that James Harden is guarding him. And I did feel bad for Harden because once again, it's another bad game for him. Feels like he has, you know, good game, bad game, good game, bad game. But you could see Jalen Brunson, he was looking. He was. They were searching out James Harden. And look, I know that feeling because I've been on the defensive end when they, you know, sought me out to take advantage of me. And Harden had, you know, first of all, he's what, 10 years older than Jalen Brunson and look like that. And he's supposed to be the offensive guy. He's. He's the second weapon for Cleveland. Well, when you have more turnovers than field goals, your defensive efficiency was null and void. And the Knicks took advantage of that. But it's one of those where the question will be, well, did the Knicks win it? Did the Cavs lose it? No, the Cavs lost it. Cavs lost it. Because you have to open the door to allow the Knicks to come back. Now, the Knicks got down. You're down by 22. And it felt like, okay, that's a fade accompli that we're going to move on to. Game two. Now we have a series. This one felt like one and a half losses for the Cleveland Cavaliers. The head coach of the Cavaliers, Kenny Atkinson, talking about what happened last night.

[Jonas Brothers]

They hit some really Tough shots in that fourth quarter. You know, those two threes, prayer threes and a shot clock.

[Kevin Jonas]

We got a little unlucky, quite honestly.

[Jonas Brothers]

Brunson obviously took over at the end and, you know, we started double teaming them and try to do some different things. But listen, I'm super proud of the

[Dan Patrick]

way our group played.

[Tim Legler]

We played great basketball tonight for, you know, three quarters.

[Jonas Brothers]

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[Dan Patrick]

Okay. I'm extremely proud of my team. I don't know if I would use the word unlucky. Extremely proud. I'd be like, you know what? We gotta figure this out. We gotta make sure that we know how to play an entire game here. We got to figure out defensively what we're doing here. Because all of a sudden you look up and you go, wait a minute, where did our 22 point lead go? You're not calling any timeouts. You let them go in a 44 to 11 run. That's not unlucky. You know, like 22 to 5 might be unlucky. 44 to 11 is not unlucky. That's just bad, bad defense. And you kind of forgot, and I, I understand this, that you're. Everything's falling. You're playing great. We're up 22. We're in the garden. We're going to take game one. Take that Timothy Chalamet. And then all of a sudden, you kind of ease off the accelerator, and then all of a sudden, to the next credit. And Jalen Brunson, they never stopped. And I think that's the testament to a team that feels like they learned from last year. This is different. It's got to be different. And don't take anybody lightly as they did the Indiana Pacers last year. All right, eight, seven, seven, three dp. Show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. His first hour poll question is going to be what, Dylan?

[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

Well, Dan, last night, would you consider it a great game, a great ending, something different, a massive collapse?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, it's historical. It was really the tale of two halves for both of these teams. Cavaliers played unbelievable. If you turned it off at halftime, or maybe you started to do other things when the knicks are down 22, as we did, and then Paulie goes snug and I go, wait a minute, there's no other game tonight. Then he goes saucy, and I go, I'll be damned. I gotta turn on this game. Yeah, Paul.

[Paulie]

Yeah. With about nine minutes to go, I was flipping back and forth because it was a tough Watch. And I put it back on with nine minutes to go. And I thought the volume was off on my TV because MSG was so quiet. And then the Knicks went on that like, I think it was a 13 to 1 run. Then Moby hits a three and I sent you guys saucy because it wasn't snug yet, but it felt, it felt like I shouldn't turn this off. That's what it felt like.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Doug.

[Tim Legler]

I turned it off briefly when it was a 22 point lead for the Cavs. And then when Paulie sent Saucy, I

[Kevin Jonas]

thought the Cavs were like the Knicks

[Tim Legler]

were starting a fight or something like that. Like they're at the point where they're just going to kind of do the rage baiting thing like they do to Wemby. We, we lost. Let's see if we can get a scuffle going. I didn't realize he meant saucy meaning,

[Kevin Jonas]

like this is getting interesting.

[Dan Patrick]

Over the last two postseasons, the Knicks have four comebacks of 20 plus points. That's more than any other team in the NBA. Brought to you by Panini America. The Knicks head coach is Mike Brown. He talked about Jalen Brunson's performance.

[Tim Legler]

Great win by our guys and obviously we don't get it done if Jalen Brunson doesn't play like one of the MVP guys in the league. He was phenomenal. He, he did what he was supposed to do tonight.

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Definitely helped us get the win.

[Dan Patrick]

Social media was killing the Knicks. Oh, you had all that rest. You know, Cleveland came in here two game sevens in the playoffs, you're playing like this, you're not going to be going to the finals. Social media, you know, never forgets. So when you're putting it out there. But I still was amazed as I'm watching and the Knicks go on a 30 to eight run and the Cavs don't call a timeout. At some point I just want to break your momentum. I have to do something where I go, okay, come here, come here. Let's, let's gather here. Let's do what got us a 22 point lead because it felt like they forgot all about that. And I mean we talked about James Harden. I don't know how history is probably not going to be kind to him from the standpoint of big games. And he's certainly not big game James and what we've seen so far. And he's a liability out there. Like he has to give you 25 to validate being on the floor. Because he's going to give up 35. Or in this case, 38. All righty. What other poll questions do you have there, Dylan?

[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

We got a couple other ones, Dan. Um, this one's got a little tongue in cheek. But if this had been game seven of the Timberwolves series, would Anthony Edwards have gone and shaken their hands with 20, down 22 with seven minutes left?

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[Dan Patrick]

That's. That's snarky. That's good. He might have, you know, hey, we're down 22 in the third quarter. I'm going to go shake your hand. By the way, James Harden, his sixth game with more turnovers than made field goals this playoffs. How many games have they played? So 6 out of 15. Does that sound about right? Two seven game series, and then last night, that is. That's a recipe for disaster here.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paulie, you know, when it got to overtime, I thought the, you know, the little three minute break before overtime, the Cavs would calm down, focus and take charge and steal it back. I did. I thought the overtime was going to go the opposite way.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I didn't. You know, sometimes it takes so much energy to come back from 22 down. How much energy will you have going in? You know, had that game been in Cleveland and they did that, you go into overtime, it might have been different. But the Garden was the Garden last night, late. You know, there was a while that it felt like a wake, not a awake just a week. And then all of a sudden it came back to life. And then all of a sudden you go, boy, Cleveland is not going to come back from this. And imagine this. As Dylan has pointed out, as he's our resident gambler, he goes, I had the cabs and the money line last night. When you're up 22, which means you're up 28 and a half, you can't lose that.

[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

There's. I had the money line, which. So that was, you know, a travesty. But I then immediately felt for the people who had the Cavs plus six and a half because the game, all right, everything falls apart. You're tied, you're going to overtime. You're like, all they have to do now is still just cover the six and a half points. And then they put up three points in overtime and lose by what, 11. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Because Dylan was saying he had the money line. You're up 22 now. You never want to go, hey, this one looks good. Inevitably you have somebody who tells you, hey, that's, that's a great bet. And then all of a sudden it's not. But imagine having six and a half and the cabs and okay, we blew it. We're going into overtime. We can cover six and a half. Maybe we lose by three or four and then all of a sudden you lose by 11. Yes, Dylan, I have a stat from

[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

Evan Abrams at Action Network and it was how rare was the Knicks minus six and a half cover favorites of six plus points who trailed by more than 20 at any point and trailed by more than 10 to enter the fourth quarter were three and 379 against the spread the last 20 years.

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[Chris from Syracuse]

Hey, thanks Dan. A couple comments on last night's game. Yeah, these playoff series have generally started with a bang and yeah, the Knicks withstood a big opening punch from Cleveland and I guess people were paying up to $53,000 for tickets last night at the G. And yet Cleveland coming off of a tough fought seven game series definitely hurt him down the stretch and a real treat watching Brunson and as well as Mumby. Both are so unique as players in different ways and I really can't think of a comp they both add a lot of intrigue to these conference finals. And I hope they're on a collision course with each other. That would be awesome.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, who is spending $53,000? Chris?

[Chris from Syracuse]

I know. Crazy. That's what I. Somebody told me that 53,000 was the max ticket. I think it was for front row seats for a game last night at the Garden.

[Dan Patrick]

I would think you'd get to shoot layups for that kind of money. Sit on the bench. Yes.

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Marvin, I do love the people that you haven't seen all year there. Lenny Kravitz was there last night. Dustin Hoffman. I've seen you guys all season long.

[Dan Patrick]

Conference finals.

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[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

Yes, Dylan, Lenny Kravitz is always wearing the exact same thing too. It's the same weird glasses, like some sort of rug carpet type shirt. But I looked in the, I think the get in price, like the lowest was in like the 700, 800 region.

[Dan Patrick]

I have. I can't criticize Lenny Kravitz to look the way he looks in the shape that he's in. I, I can't, I can't fold him for. He can wear whatever he wants. He's Lenny Kravitz. Is he like 60 years of age?

[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

He does not. Look at.

[Tim Legler]

He's definitely got to be 60 at least.

[Dan Patrick]

He's. Yes, he's. He's a lot older than you think. And he is ripped. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, Lenny Kravitz is 61 years old and he'll be 62 in a week. Yeah, but he's got an old guy name. Lenny Kravitz does not sound like a rock star. It sounds like a 61 year old,

[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

an old Jewish fella.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, but his dad was Jewish.

[Paulie]

Still is.

[Dylan (Poll Operator)]

Right?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I don't know if he's still checking. That's a good point. And then his mom was in the Jeffersons.

[Tim Legler]

Roxy Roker.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Roxy Roker.

[Tim Legler]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

The neighbors. Yeah. Yeah. Roxy Roker with. I didn't watch that show. But that was a spin off, wasn't it?

[Tim Legler]

Oh, part of all the family.

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[Tim Legler]

all in the family, especially the Jefferson.

[Dan Patrick]

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of the Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. Would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking what in God's name is the fifth hour? I'll tell you, it's a spin off. Of the Ben Mather show, cult hit overnights on fsr. Why should you listen? Picture, if you will, a world where we chat with captains of industry in media, sports and more every week. Explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen to the fifth hour with Ben Mather on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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[Dan Patrick]

We say good morning to Tim Legler. He got to call his first conference final game as an ESPN analyst last night in the garden. Boy, that's a memorable one, Tim, for you to have on your resume when what did you make of that? The let's look at the totality of the entire game and it felt like a couple of games within a game from everything from the first half with the Knicks, second half with the Knicks, even the James Harden, you know, being isolated, you know, defense, turnover, all of those things. So how do you compartmentalize what happened last night?

[Tim Legler]

Well, I think let's start with the fact that the Knicks had no rhythm offensively. At no point in the game did they string together baskets and, and you know, the crowd was waiting for it. They waiting for that run that at one point that started to believe. Early fourth quarter. I'm thinking that run's never going to come. You know, for whatever reason. It's a combination of things. I thought the rust was a little bit evident in the shooting. I'm always in favor of rest, give me fresh legs. I don't think there's any substitute as a basketball player. I think the rust was affecting their, their shooting a little bit. But I give the Cavs defense a lot of credit for what was going on. So I'm sitting there early fourth quarter, no run has come. At no point had the Knicks gotten two, three straight buckets. And then Jalen Brunson happened, and it happened because he was able to go back to the sort of offensive sets that they ran when he first got there before they changed their offense this year, where the ball was more to Carl Anthony Towns hands Brunson starting possessions off the ball, coming back to get it. If Towns didn't make a play for somebody, they went back to, hey, high ball screen or ISO, let him pick who he wants to play against and let's see if we can get something going that way. And it sort of happened organically like that. He got this little runner to go down the left lane off the wrong foot. It was a really tough shot and that started the whole thing. Now he's in the paint three, four, five times in a row against the same matchup. Did I still think after he had hit like five straight shots they were going to win the game? No, I still didn't think that because you're still had like a 10 point deficit at that point. But that is what started all of this. And once the Cavs started to sense that there was enough time for the Knicks now to finish this, they got incredibly tight on the offensive end of the floor to the point where they were playing almost as if they wanted the clock to just run out rather than continue to play with the same level of urgency and, and pace and ball movement that they had to get that lead. They got tight and they played not to lose the lead. And when you play that way in sports, we all know this, bad things are going to happen. So those two things coincided and you ended up with what you saw.

[Dan Patrick]

Two questions. Kenny Atkinson didn't call a timeout and do you leave James Harden in the game? So let me start with both of those coaching decisions or potential ones. Why not call a timeout just to break up the momentum. Anything just to, you know, regather the troops here?

[Tim Legler]

Yeah, I wish that. And honestly, look, I love Kenny and I got a lot of respect for Kenny. I wish he had a better answer than I like holding on to my timeouts. I mean, you know, the last thing you want to do as a coach is get back to the hotel room in New York, reach in your pocket and pull out a couple of timeouts and put them on your nightstand. I mean, you know, they're there for a reason and a lot of times that reason is to stop the bleeding and it is to stall momentum and it is to make an adjustment by whether it's a substitution or. All right, let's do something different here. Honestly, they needed it on both ends of the floor at that point. But let's start with the defense because if you, if you can corral Brunson in that situation after he's hit three, probably I would say now you've got a really good chance to continue to win the game whether you start scoring on the other end or not. You had to slow that and the fact that they didn't really do it and they started that run. You got Streuss and Dean Wade on the bench. Those are the two guys that the Cavs prefer to guard Brunson for different reasons, but in Wade at the top of the list and they're over on the bench while this starts all right, well, you might want to think, forget about whatever you're trying to do offensively to close the game, you've got to stop this situation. And the best way to do it is to get a different defender on them. Or you've got to talk through the fact that you don't need to switch all of those ball screens. You didn't need to do that. Some of those are unnecessary switches. 35, 40ft from the basket. You don't need to switch it. Brunson's not even trying to go anywhere yet, and you passively hand him off to James Harden. You could have addressed that in a timeout. So I wish there was a better answer than I like to hold on to him. Because that if ever a situation dictated you needed one, it was that situation as that game was slipping away.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Tim Legler, ESPN lead NBA analyst, there are some losses that are just a loss. There are other ones that are maybe one and a half games. And that one felt like that's a one and a half games. Now, I don't know if it helps or hurts Cleveland that you get one day off and then now we're back at the Garden tomorrow night. Does that help or hurt Cleveland when you're trying to move on from this embarrassment?

[Tim Legler]

I don't know that it's. I honestly don't know that it's. It's beneficial or works against you either way. What I know is this, for the Cavaliers to win the series, they have to win a game in Madison Square Garden. Okay? The Knicks don't have to win on the road, the Cavs do. And they had a 22 point lead with seven minutes to go. You're not going to be in that position again. So for you not to close that one, you're right. I mean, it's like not every loss carries the same weight. You know, you say that about a lot of things. They're not all the same. And that one is not the same as just for instance, that's not the same as what happened to the Thunder. That's not the same. Losing a game at home like that, you know, when you're battling the entire time, the fact that Thunder are the ones that erase the deficit, you still end up losing the game. Okay, Thunder feel like they're the better team. Let's see their response in game two tonight. For the Cavs to have this team coming off of that long layoff and you've got them cornered like this, you've got to close the deal. So definitely this Loss carries more weight than just a loss because you have a feeling the Knicks now are going to have a much different offense in the first half of game, too. And now where are the Cavs going to be? So that's just one. You got to close the deal, Dan. If you want a legitimate shot to win the series, you cannot blow that lead.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but what do you do with James Harden? Not to pin all of this on James Harden, but if he's going to be guarding Jalen Brunson, we have a problem.

[Tim Legler]

Well, look, some of it I'm wondering. I want to hear a little bit more today because I think there was something wrong with Donovan Mitchell. He wouldn't address it. He wouldn't allude to it. He didn't say anything was wrong with him physically. He got his ankle rolled up on, and I don't know if that's why he was so passive late in the game and then in overtime, I. I don't know. But he wasn't breaking to the ball. He wasn't trying to get it. So I'm wondering if the Cavs knowing that, like, that's why yet. Well, we gotta have heart. If Donovan Mitchell can't go operate right now offensively, you better have Harden because at least he can break you down and hopefully try to create some offense. So I want more information on that, because if. If Mitchell's fine and this is how the Knicks are going to operate, you've got two choices for me. Rather than just remove him from the game and take him off the floor. Okay. I think the better solution is can you challenge your team a little bit to communicate when and when you do not need to switch the ball screen, because all Jalen Brunson is going to do is look for James Harden. Who's he guarding? Come set the screen. I know they're going to switch it. I can now get him on an island. How about if that screen is set that far out on the floor, floor, and Brunson's not even going anywhere yet, why doesn't, for instance, if it's Dean Wade, Max Stru, whoever, why don't you just say, okay, talk it out. Where's the screen? Brunson's not in active aggressive mode. Why don't we just let Dean Wade go under, meet him on the other side? Wait. Now look, if you get screened to 25ft, that's different. Where Brunson can turn a corner, get downhill, you might not have a choice. Or you can certainly blitz it, get the ball out of his hands. But what you can't do is what they did repeatedly during that stretch to the point they put the game in jeopardy because Jalen Brunson single handedly cut that deficit in half and now you decide to double team and the three point shooting kicks in. They've got to address how they're going to defend that. I don't know that taking James Harden out of the game is necessarily the answer. It's communicating how you can defend that better. So he's not putting in that situation. That's really to me what it is. Teams switch and it puts them at a disadvantage. And I don't know why teams don't challenge their players to communicate that in the moment a little bit better.

[Dan Patrick]

Well said. Let me go back to Monday night with OKC and the Spurs. I'm not prone to hyperbole, but I do think Victor Wembanyama is the best player in the NBA.

[Tim Legler]

Well, look, when Victor Wembanyama gets, listen, when he gets it going offensively like that, you're right. Now that offense is not like that every night. And for Victor Weyama that's because he's 75 and sometimes to be able to handle the ball the way that he wants to, certain areas of the floor, certain traffic situations, it's going to be hard for a guy that big to do it. So that level of offense isn't there every night for Wemby. The defense obviously is. And I mean, I think he's probably got, you know, his hands on the defensive player of the year award for the next decade. So they should almost have a separate award for the runner up and just to honor that guy because it's going to be Wemby for a long time. So the defense is always there. The offense is not like it was in game one all the time. But when it is, you're right because there's nothing like that in the league. You know Dan, what I was thinking about watching that game is the difference with Wemby is as opposed to other guys that size historically in that 7:3 and up range, his mobility means in traffic or when it's crowded or when he's getting bumped or there's physicality that takes place. There's an escape for him. He's got vertical spacing. You can still include him. Even when teams have defended it perfectly, the guys typically we're talking about in that size historically can't move like that. Where the vertical spacing option isn't there to just go up above the traffic still be included in the game. Offensively even if teams defend you well, that is really the difference here. We've never seen a guy this length that moves like this. And. And that's why this is such an incredible challenge for any team to try to limit his effectiveness.

[Dan Patrick]

You can't play normal basketball around him. Like what we grew up or what is taught is, you know, you have to change all of that. And that's why he's so good at one end and he's good at the other end. So if I. If I factor all of that together, I don't think there's anybody more impactful on the game. Now you can say joker. Far better offensive player, sga, better offensive player, but if I combine the two offense and defense, that's. He's the hardest to deal with, I think, in the NBA because I got to factor in both. Both ends of the floor and the other guys. I don't necessarily have to do that.

[Tim Legler]

Yeah, Dan, I think what you're alluding to is, and this is the part that's not tangible and you can't see it on a box score. It's hard to even see it in when you're analyzing the game. But I'm telling you right now, when you have a guy that changes your psychological approach to what you think might be there for yourself offensively. When you run ball screen or ISO, where you're thinking about attacking the rim, like when the ball swung to you and you attack a closeout, when you are at the point where you're affecting the way guys premeditate what they're able to do. Now you're talking about a completely different level defensively, and you can't even see that on a box score. You might not even see that as a fan watching at home. I can see it when I'm sitting there courtside. You can just see what looked like a natural driving lane for a player that could get to the rim in two dribbles from 28ft on one side of the floor, they're changing the way they view their ability to do it in the first place without even probing it. That is when you're talking about a different level defensively of impact and how you're affecting what teams even try to accomplish offensively, much less actually do it.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm trying to get somebody to work this in. Shots discouraged. Like a new category.

[Tim Legler]

There you go.

[Dan Patrick]

Shots just Shots discourage South Dakota. Shots discouraged. Because.

[Tim Legler]

Well, listen.

[Dan Patrick]

See that and listen.

[Tim Legler]

With the. With the advent of AI and everything else, we're going to get to the point where we're going to be watching the game on TV and we're going to have probes and sensors on guys heads where you can see thought bubbles and, and now you're really going to know like what a guy was thinking about in the moment. It's coming, Dan. It's coming in the next 10 years and you're going to be able to see what I'm talking about in terms of what guys are looking at on the weak side of the floor when he's out there and looks like would be an impossible amount of distance to cover to get to the rim before you do. And now you're thinking rethinking that. And so therefore it affects the flow of the ball offensively and, and the natural order of what's next for your team.

[Dan Patrick]

Any celebrities at the Garden want to talk basketball prior to the game when they see you?

[Tim Legler]

Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. I mean, and Ben Stiller obviously is on camera a lot and, and, and because of our proximity to when we're starting the game and where he sits, he's like right there when we're doing our open. So, yeah, to be able to go have a conversation with him, have a conversation with Tracy Morgan. It's fun, man. Spike Lee, obviously, these guys live it, love it. And it's, they're not just showing up to be seen, man. These guys that I just mentioned, they love basketball, they love the Knicks and they actually know what they're watching and they can talk it at a high level, man. They. It's a lot of fun. It's, it's, it's one of the really cool perks of the job, particularly at the Garden. There's no place quite like that for the big games. No. No environment like that in basketball, period.

[Dan Patrick]

I got to work this in. Jay Kid fired in Dallas. Feels like they're trying to wipe clean any remnants of the Luka Doncic era here. Why was J. Kid fired?

[Tim Legler]

Yeah, it does feel like that to me as well. I just think that you have a new set of eyes now on the organization. They have a generational player that they drafted a year ago in Cooper Flag. He is a guy that you're going to build your entire franchise around. He's that good. He's going to be that good on both ends. And he's, he's the guy that, you know, he's, he's the leader now. You build around him and I just think you're right. Now that they moved on from Anthony Davis and they wanted to get a, just a new perspective on what they want to build going forward. And that's why Jason Kidd is no longer there. Jason kid will be coaching in the league again. There's no doubt in my mind, but I think that's. This is what this is. It's a. It's a reset. It's a. It's a whiteboard. Let's start over. And there's one name on it, and it's flag at the top. And now we've got to rethink everything about what we want to do going forward because they think this could be the next guy that spends 20 years in a Mavericks uniform like Dirk Nowitzky.

[Dan Patrick]

Great stuff, Timmy. Thank you. Have fun tomorrow night.

[Tim Legler]

You got it, Dan. Thanks.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Tim Legler]

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We.

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[Dan Patrick]

Albert Brear, the Monday morning quarterback, joining us. Albert, fresh off the owners meetings and here was something that stood out to me and thank you for joining us. The owners passed a policy yesterday to eliminate protections for international games. Now any game can be moved to an international spot, adding value to the packages, including those games as well. So everything's available to move a game internationally.

[Kevin Jonas]

Yeah, and I think like this is sort of what the NFL has wanted, the league offices wanted for a while is to take all these protections away. And we've seen it like over the years, right? Like, so they went from, you know, only allowing teams to play one Thursday night game per year to two. You know, now they can go and play a third game on a Friday night, which doesn't count as a Thursday night. You don't have to have a bye week anymore. In fact, I think more teams that not don't have a bye week after their international trips this year. I think the two teams that are coming back from Rio on a Sunday night on a, on a, on a, on a Sunday are playing the next week. So they've sort of removed all of these different things. And I think, you know, the, the obvious reason why is, you know, goes back to, you know, wanting to satisfy all the partners who they're hoping will bid at a very, very high level over the next few years to either keep or get those packages. So I mean, it's the reality of it. Like, I guess we all have bosses, right? And Roger Goodell's bosses are the owners, and it looks like the owners, I don't know if I call them their bosses, but maybe the ones who are directing traffic for the owners or the television networks.

[Dan Patrick]

We know where the Super Bowls are going to be the next couple of years, but we don't know the date of the Super Bowls. Why?

[Kevin Jonas]

I mean, I've for a while thought that the reason why is because they're considering going to 18 games. And, and I think that's been something that I would just tell you this. Like, I don't think the people in Atlanta are real happy that they don't have a date yet. Because for the people who don't know, like the way this works, you block off, you know, two different weeks. You have like a week where you can move the game if it needs to be moved and, you know, it allows for the league to have some flexibility. Well, you know, if you don't know when the game's going to be because you don't know what your schedule is going to be, and you just say it's February, you got to block off the whole month, you know. And so what does that mean? Well, that means convention space in the city that they're going to is blocked off. That means hotels are blocked off. That means, you know, these cities can't really plan for and, you know, make plans for what, weeks the super bowl won't be there. And that blocks other business from coming into town. And so obviously the NFL has the hammer in these situations. Those cities are going to want to have the super bowl almost regardless of the circumstances. But, you know, I, I do know, like even, you know, as far back as, you know, really a year and a half ago, the Atlanta people are getting a little impatient with the fact that they didn't have a date and the fact that that Atlanta super bowl, which is Super Bowl 60, and I got to get the numbers right in the head, 62, which is the end of the 2027 season. The fact that that doesn't have a date, hasn't had a date like this late in the game, has been a smoking gun for a lot of people, you know, and looking at it and saying that's when the NFL wants to go to the 18 game season. And, you know, my guess would be the reason they had 27 marked is because they want to have the 18 game season in place before they go to market with the new television deals, whether those goes to the broadcast networks or the streamers. And so there are a lot of moving pieces here, but certainly the owners want to go to 18 games. And the question can be how soon they can do it and they can finally actually start to negotiate that. Now that the NFL PA has an executive director in place and JC Trotter,

[Dan Patrick]

what's stopping the NFL from going to 18 games?

[Kevin Jonas]

The players, I mean, the players negotiated the right to veto it. And so when they agreed to go to 17 games, you know, they, they, they, they negotiated that the owners would need their sign off to go to 18. And so I think the question then becomes, what do the players get back? I mean, I think people, people look at this in like a little bit of a vacuum, you know what I mean? They just think, well, that's going to be a little tougher for them to get to 18 games. Get, get to an 18 game. A playoff team that could be 21 or 22 games. And that's true, you know, but I think for all players, there's also the element of getting to free agency, getting your second contract, getting the really big money, you know, so when it was 16 games, if you think about it, it's four years unrestricted free agency in the NFL, right? So that means you have to get through 64 games healthy, then they go to 17 game season, that's 68 games healthy. Now it's going to be 72 games healthy. Whenever they go to 18 games, that's a full half season that they're adding. Just as far as like what a player has to make it through physically to get to a second contract. So yeah, if I'm the players, I look at that, you got to, like I'm saying, you got to make it easier for us to get to our second contracts to get the really big money if we're going to do this, you know, so does that mean allowing for players to get to unrestricted free agency after three years, does that mean loosening the reins on franchise tags? There are all sorts of things that could be negotiated, but I think it's pretty clear that there's going to have to be some sort of give back to the players if they're going to sign off on 18 games.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Albert Brear, the Monday morning quarterback, senior NFL reporter, I didn't realize this. I don't know if this is a big issue. It seems like one to me. The Panthers will travel 8,700 miles this upcoming season. The 49ers will travel 38,000 miles. Is this an issue with the scheduling and with ownership of the Niners? I don't, I don't know if this is burner stuff. But that, to me, that's a huge, huge disparity there.

[Kevin Jonas]

Yeah. And Kyle Shanahan didn't seem real happy when, when the idea of Australia was presented to him at the owners meetings. I mean, if you remember that, I think it was Florio he was on with. Right. And he said, I mean, like, they're making us go to Mexico City already and now we have to go to Australia. Why don't you make the Rams come to Mexico City with us instead? They gave the Rams an extra day of rest coming off of Australia. They didn't give it to the Niners. So you can read that, read into that what you, what you want. But I think you've seen it already. I mean, I, I think one nuance, like the Patriots season last year, right. Like, we talk about how easy their schedule is. Do you know, they didn't go east, they didn't go west of Mississippi until the super bowl or until the. I'm sorry, until the AFC Championship game. Isn't that crazy?

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Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Kevin Jonas]

They did not go west. And so not only was their schedule a little soft, they also didn't go west of Mississippi until deep in the playoffs, the AFC title game in Denver, and then the super bowl in Santa Clara, which you have two weeks ahead of.

[Dan Patrick]

It's.

[Kevin Jonas]

I mean, you think about these things, right? Like in these. And so, like, that. Is that team going to be in better shape than a team that's had to travel all over kingdom come? You look at what they've done to the Chiefs the last couple of years, did that wear on them? The playoffs, plus all the travel, plus all the midweek games, like, I don't know. That looked like a worn out team at the end of the year. Now, I don't know if there's a way to quantify that. Like, because what they're, what they'll tell you is we have injury data that shows this. Well, yeah, but can you prove that it's not affecting the performance of the teams? And I, and I do think that that's something that they've got to continue to look into. But, I mean, I think it's, it's pretty clear here, like, where their priorities are. And I don't blame them for it. They're businessmen. Right? Like, but think about it. Like, I think you go back 15, 20 years, they came to the determination, like, there's only so much more we can grow in the box that we're in right now. Domestically, we were already up here. Like, how much higher can we go? And so, you know, they made the decision we need to grow out, and we need to, instead of growing up, we need to grow out. And that means adding inventory. So that's expanded playoffs, expanded regular season, two teams in Los Angeles, you know, that's Thursday Night Football. That's the new broadcast windows on top of that. And that ultimately is going overseas, you know, and because, you know, again, they've sort of got this Wall street mentality where if you're not growing, you're failing. You know, I think the focus is on, on those areas of growth and international, you can see it with the way they're pushing. Flag is certainly a big part of that strategy.

[Dan Patrick]

We're looking at cities, teams that are building stadiums. You know, Cleveland wants to have a Super Bowl. Buffalo is not going to get a Super bowl, but they'll get a draft. Minneapolis has had a Super Bowl. They're getting a draft coming up. Tennessee is going to get a Super Bowl. Yeah. Am I leaving out anybody? Kansas City, you know that Kansas City's getting a draft or they're going to get a.

[Kevin Jonas]

Well, Kansas City's getting a new stadium. I, I, I would think that they'll get something for that. Now, my guess would be it won't be a Super bowl, but they are one of these teams that's in line to build new stadium. Washington's another one that I think will eventually get a Super Bowl.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, just, I think it's interesting when, I mean, the draft has become so big that, like, if you're Buffalo, you're not going to get a Super bowl because of the infrastructure there, but you're going to get a draft. Cleveland. How does Cleveland get a Super Bowl? And I don't think they do. A drive. You don't think so? They do.

[Kevin Jonas]

Well, I actually, so I asked some of the Nashville people about this, and by the way, that was a really good scoop by you. I think you had that for, like, cold for a month. Right. So, but I, like, I did this, this was really interesting to me. So they have 68,000 hotel rooms right now in the metropolitan area, which is a big number for a city of that size. It's not a, it's not a big, huge city. Right. And that number is going to jump to 80,000 by the time the Super bowl comes along in February, 2030. Someone told me, like, Cleveland's numbers around, like 22,000. That's a massive difference. You know, even though the Cleveland metropolitan area, actually, I believe if you look at market size, is still bigger than Nashville, you know, You. Nashville's got the event space and the infrastructure, the hotels, all that different stuff. So I. I think a lot of it's going to ride on that like I would. It's all. I mean, I think you sort of alluded to it, right? Like, the draft has kind of become what they give the cities that build new stadiums that aren't equipped to host Super Bowls. So, you know where I think, you know, Chicago, if they build a dome in Washington, if they build a dome, they'll get Super Bowls. With your Cleveland's and your Kansas City's, you're probably looking at getting drafts.

[Dan Patrick]

Paulie keeps asking me what happens sooner than Cleveland gets a Super bowl or Cleveland goes to a Super Bowl.

[Kevin Jonas]

Cleveland goes to a Super Bowl. I don't think they're getting. I don't think they're getting. I don't think they're going to host one.

[Dan Patrick]

Does Kansas.

[Kevin Jonas]

I love Cleveland, by the way. I, you know, I have a ton of friends from there. You know, like half buddies from college are from there. But this is not a shot of Cleveland. I don't think you're getting a Super Bowl.

[Dan Patrick]

But if Kansas City has a dome stadium, yeah, they're getting a Super Bowl. Can they host a Super Bowl? I don't think so.

[Kevin Jonas]

I just. I just don't think that they have the infrastructure. And they've already hosted a draft. I think they would get maybe another one, you know, but I, I have a. I have a hard time seeing that. I just. I think you sort of have to draw the line somewhere, you know, and I. I think the experience a lot of people had in Jacksonville 20 years ago, I. It's sort of underscored, like you. There's still like, you know, a certain number of hotel rooms, a certain amount of event space. Like, there's a. There's a certain structure that a city has to have to host one of these.

[Dan Patrick]

And so does Jacksonville get a Super bowl again?

[Kevin Jonas]

Like, I can't imagine after what happened the last time. Now, I, I just don't think they have, again, the infrastructure to do it. But I, you know, again, it's a southern city, so it's a little bit different, but I. I'd be surprised if Jacksonville got another one. And they're getting a new. They're getting what, in essence, is a new stadium as well.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Albert. No, you're busy. We appreciate you joining us. You got it. Thanks, Dan.

[Kevin Jonas]

I appreciate it.

[Dan Patrick]

And thank you for the shout out in the Monday morning Quarterback with my. My Nashville exclusive.

[Kevin Jonas]

How long have you had that? You had that like a month ago, didn't you?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Yes.

[Kevin Jonas]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. But I was. You're the only one who did give me credit for that. But my source kept saying, hey, they're not going to announce it for a couple of weeks, so you're going to probably have people say that you're wrong. And the number of people are like, in Nashville, they're like, when are we getting this soup? Are you sure we're getting this?

[Kevin Jonas]

I'm like, well, what sucks about stuff like that because I've been there before, is like you're sitting on, you know, you report something and it's like, this is going to happen, but there's always some variables. So, like, it's like you can be right in the moment and something can go haywire in between. But you had a cold, no question.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Albert.

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[Jonas Brothers]

Hey, guys, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm Joe.

[Jonas Brothers]

I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called hey Jonas.

[Dan Patrick]

We invented a podcast.

[Jonas Brothers]

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

[Kevin Jonas]

First people to do podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

[Jonas Brothers]

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

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