Hour 1 – All Hands on Deck at Michigan, Tony Garcia

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show

Hour 1 – All Hands on Deck at Michigan, Tony Garcia
December 11, 2025

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Episode Overview

This hour of The Dan Patrick Show centers on the explosive off-field crisis engulfing Michigan football after the abrupt firing and arrest of head coach Sherrone Moore, allegedly for violating university policy (an inappropriate relationship with a staff member) and for a reported incident involving threats of violence. Dan Patrick and his crew break down the cascading repercussions for Michigan’s staff, players, and recruiting, discuss what’s next for the program, and welcome Tony Garcia of the Detroit Free Press for the latest from the courthouse. Along the way, the show examines broader college football topics, including transfer portal chaos, the conference championship landscape, a possible expanded playoff, and some lighter NBA talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Michigan Scandal: What Happened? [03:33-11:25]

• Sherrone Moore’s Immediate Firing and Arrest:

  • Moore was fired for cause (inappropriate relationship with a staffer, violation of university policy).
  • Details emerge about him reportedly threatening the staffer and himself after the firing, leading to a police response:

    “Did he go to the staffer's apartment? Did he threaten her and threaten himself or threaten to kill her and him? … He has a knife. Now, this is what's reported. Goes to the apartment of the woman that he's having an affair with and threatens her life and his life.” (Dan Patrick, [07:17])

• Recruiting & Transfer Fallout:

  • Chaos for incoming recruits and current player stability with the transfer portal set to open January 2nd.
  • Debate over whether athletes were misled or kept in the dark before signing:

    “Did these players who signed with Michigan, did they have any idea that their coach might be fired? Should they have been told something? Could they have been told something?” (Dan Patrick, [08:05])

• Coaching Search Carousel:

  • Michigan is now behind many schools in filling their vacancy with the coaching market already thinned.
  • Dan throws out multiple potential names from inside and outside the Michigan family, including a left-field suggestion of Brian Kelly:

    “I go after Brian Kelly. He knows the landscape. Back in the Midwest. No ties.” (Dan Patrick, [09:52-10:05])

2. The Broader Crisis: Program, Players, and Recruits [11:25-16:50]

• The Human Impact:

  • Focus on Moore’s family, coaching staff, the staffer, and all those suddenly uprooted.

    “You got three little kids at home. … He's still the guy that said to all of these kids, you're my guy and I want you to come here. And now he's not there anymore. And the next guy who comes in might like a totally different type of player.” (Dan Patrick, [14:58-15:18])

• Recruit Fallout Stats:

  • Michigan had 27 recruits, ranked fourth in the Big Ten and 11th nationally on signing day ([16:33–16:39]).
  • Speculation that NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals could be renegotiated to retain recruits:

    “We're all renegotiating. And your initial deals for NIL have now all been bumped up 20%.” (Paulie, [16:50])

• Transfer Portal Rules Clarified:

  • Players get a special 15-day portal window when a head coach leaves ([13:41–17:09]).

3. Live Update from the Courthouse with Tony Garcia [23:53–31:28]

• Status of Sherrone Moore:

  • No official charges yet as of broadcast time, Moore is being held in connection to an alleged assault:

    “As of now, there are no official charges to this point that have been made publicly. So Sherrone Moore was investigated for assault. Investigation that is going on. … Moore has been detained by the Pittsfield Township Police and he was transported to the Washtenaw County Jail overnight where he was held.” (Tony Garcia, [23:53–24:59])

• Timeline of the Investigation:

  • University's internal investigation began late October (week of the Michigan State game). Momentum increased recently after “a smoking gun” surfaced.
  • Moore was not present for the staff/team meeting when his firing was announced.

• Communication with Players/Recruits:

  • No indication recruits were transparently informed before signing ([26:41]).

• Early Candidates for Michigan’s Coaching Vacancy:

  • Jed Fisch (Washington; former Michigan staff), Kalen DeBoer (Alabama), Brian Kelly (dismissed by Garcia as unlikely due to “brass that are not Brian Kelly fans” [31:05–31:25]).

4. College Football Playoff Expansion Rumblings [34:25–36:48]

• Big Ten pushing for a 24-team playoff, SEC wants more “guaranteed spots.”
  • The likely expansion for next year is to 16 teams, but negotiations are ongoing.

    “The Big Ten is pushing for 24 teams to make sure they have at least four schools in there. … The only way 24 happens is the replacement of conference championships.” (Dan Patrick, [35:07–37:03])

5. Lighter Segments – NBA: Oklahoma City Thunder’s Rise [43:39–47:23]

• OKC Thunder’s dominance highlighted by massive point differential, deep talent, and a bounty of draft picks, all from the Paul George trade.
  • Discussion about how their picks and youth could translate into a dynastic run.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan on Michigan’s Day of Chaos:

  “Imagine you show up for work and you go, let's prep for a bowl game … you end your day in jail. You end your day losing your job. That's what happened at Michigan yesterday with Sherrone Moore.” ([03:33])

• Paulie on Recruiting Impact:

  “No disrespect to Sherrone Moore, but he hasn't earned the right to be the reason kids went to that school … he's been the shortest stint coach in the past 100 years for that team.” ([14:36])

• Tony Garcia on the Coaching Search:

  “There is brass that is not Brian Kelly fans. And I will leave it at that.” ([31:05])

• Dan Patrick on Modern College Coaching:

  “Everything is year to year. All of this is year to year. It feels like it's year to year with the coaches. It's year to year with the players.” ([16:04])

• On College Football’s “Destination Jobs”:

  “If Kaylin DeBoer leaves Alabama to go to Michigan, there's officially no destination jobs in America as far as college football is concerned.” (Marvin, [33:18])

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Headline Timestamps

• “Calm Before the Storm” – Michigan News, Coaching Fallout: [03:33–11:25]
• Recruiting and Player Portal Implications: [08:05–17:09]
• Tony Garcia Live Report from Courthouse: [23:53–31:28]
• Expanded Playoff Rumors, Power Conference Leverage: [34:25–36:48]
• NBA – Oklahoma City Thunder Playoff and Picks Analysis: [43:39–47:23]

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Overall Tone

Dan mixes urgency, disbelief, and humor as he and the crew process the rapidly-shifting Michigan story, toggling between hard news, fan perspective, and speculation. The conversation is candid and unsparing—sometimes sardonic about the state of modern college football’s cutthroat environment. The pace is brisk, the analysis is thorough, and the show remains accessible for both insiders and casual fans.

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Summary Takeaways

• Michigan football is in deep crisis: Coach firing, criminal investigation, recruiting class at risk, and high uncertainty for the future.
• The broader college football world is just as turbulent: The transfer portal is in full swing, major programs could raid each other for coaches, NIL has changed the game, and playoff expansion looms.
• Immediate questions:
  • How fast can Michigan stabilize its football program?
  • Which big names will be open to taking the job?
  • Will recruits and current players bolt?
  • Is this just the new normal for major college football?
• Dan’s show remains a must-listen for sports fans wanting breaking news analysis, informed speculation, and the day’s lighter moments—all in a brisk, conversational format.

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For the next hour, Dan promises more insight, robust guest analysis (Dan Wetzel joining), and to keep fans ahead of every twist in this developing Michigan saga.

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It's hour one on this Thursday and what was supposed to be a quiet week for college football. We were gearing up for Army Navy this weekend. Oh boy, calm before the storm. No, there was no calm. There's a storm. Storm of brewing in Michigan. We'll have a report on that coming up. Here. We got football tonight, Falcons at the Buccaneers. Last call for the Buccaneers. Maybe, maybe last call for Raheem Morris and the Falcons. And his job is the head coach of the Falcons because there were a lot of expectations, great expectations for that team. And he even said we have the best player in football in Bijon Robinson. And that has not been the case. A big disappointment, injuries, quarterbacking situation. And Raheem Morris could be dead man walking there in Atlanta as they play play the Buccaneers. 8773 DP Show Email address [e-mail] Twitter handle @DP Show Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. First hour brought to you by Simply Safe. Traditional security systems only take action when something's already happened that's too late. Simply Safe, designed to be proactive. You can take 50 off any new system at Simply Safe. Dan.com There is no safe like Simply Safe. Got some great gifts. @danpatrick.com we've teamed up with Boathouse Sports. Last minute holiday gifts, 25% off. Go to Dan Patrick.com to check on the gear before it's gone. Imagine you show up for work. You show up for work and you go, let's prep for a bowl game. December 31st, the Citrus Bowl. So you start your day getting ready for the Citrus Bowl. You end your day in jail. You end your day losing your job. That's what happened at Michigan yesterday with Sharon Moore. Now, according to Michigan officials, they found credible evidence that he is, well, he's married with three daughters, engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member, which is a clear violation of the university policy. So he had been there for two years as the head coach and finished 17 and 8 during his time as a head coach. So he's fired with cause. And, you know, now you start to look at a bigger picture here. Now we'll talk about as much as we can find out about this with Sharon Moore, because there are a lot of details here. Was he in the meeting where he got fired? What happened exactly after that? Did he go to the staffer's apartment? Did he threaten her and threaten himself or threaten to kill her and him? But once again, married with three daughters. I think he has two twin daughters who might be a year old. And when did the investigation start? Because if I'm a recruit or if I signed there, when did you know? Now, I had gotten win at the end of October. Now, once again, I'm going to factor in conspiracy theories of, okay, who is generating this story? Where is it coming from? You know, is it a smear campaign? Does it have anything to do with the Ohio State Michigan rivalry? I mean, those were the things that I thought immediately. And then it kind of, I don't know, quiet down. I didn't hear anything about it. Once again, it was a tweet from a source at the end of October who told me this. And I thought, okay, now let's see if anything goes there, you know, anything more attached to this. And then it went away. They lost to Ohio State. And Paulie had brought up something and said, hey, you know, that story is kind of still there, but it wasn't a story, it was kind of a rumor. Nobody was reporting on this. And I thought, okay. And then all of a sudden, boom, Fired. And then all of a sudden, add to that, what happens. He has a knife. Now, this is what's reported. Goes to the apartment of the woman that he's having an affair with and threatens her life and his life. And then all of a sudden, police are dispatched there all in one day here.

The Wolverines obviously have to find a coach fast because the transfer portal is set to open January 2nd. That means Michigan players are going to have a 15 day window to enter the portal once a new coach is hired.

That's a lot. Now, did these players who signed with Michigan, did they have any idea that their coach might be fired? Should they have been told something? Could they have been told something? Because you're going there in your mind. Are you going there under a false pretense there?

I'm guessing for legal reasons, they probably couldn't say anything, but those players probably are going, well, wait a minute here Do I want to stay at Michigan? The coaching carousel stopped. Everybody got their long term deals or they went and took other jobs. Now you got to have a coach and you got to get one quickly. If this is three weeks ago, does Matt Campbell go to Penn State? I mean, that's the first thing I thought of. Now you're going to look at other guys. Washington's head coach, Jed Fish, there's ties to him from Michigan and Chargers defensive coordinator Jesse Minter, but they're also going to go after, you know, these guys who just signed contract extensions. They're going to go after Kaylin DeBoer, they're going to go after Vanderbilt's Clark Lee, they're going to go after, to Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State.

Nobody thought Michigan was going to be open. We knew Penn State was open. They couldn't fill that. They had over 50 days and had a hard time filling that. And then they got lucky and got Matt Campbell from Iowa State. So this is a mess. This a mess on all fronts with Michigan. I'm going to throw out a, a wild card name and I have no information on this. But if I need a coach right now, proven coach right now has no ties to anything right now.

I go after Brian Kelly.

I go after Brian Kelly.

He knows the landscape.

Back in the Midwest.

No ties. He's got the money coming from lsu, but he would go in, you could go right in, right away. But the other ones, you know, that's kind of a tangled web of trying to get these coaches, oh, are we going to ask Kaylin Bor if he's interested in Michigan while Alabama's playing in the playoffs? Vanderbilt's Chuck Clark Lee, who's done a wonderful job there, I mean, we do throw these scenarios out. And then I just wonder, can you get somebody right now and what do you do with your recruits? If I'm Bryce Underwood, who just got paid two and a half million dollars to be your quarterback his freshman year and he was going to go to lsu.

I'm on the, I'm on the phone. I've already been on the phone then I'm sure with Bryce Underwood or his reps and say, come on down. You know, you see what Lane Kiffin does for his quarterback. Come on down here, we'll match it. We'll give you a little more. You want to come down here and be our quarterback at lsu? I mean, it's cutthroat right now and, you know, everybody all hands on deck. Got to keep the recruits there. Those who just signed the players you have there and you got to get a coach and you got to do that in a couple of weeks. Other than that, how's your day going? Michigan? Yeah, se, you know me, I've been a lifelong yper.

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Thank you, Brian. He's got to change his accent back to the Midwest. Me, I've been a lifelong yper.

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Everybody aware. As much as we want to go, Kansas City Chiefs still got a chance. When I said to the Danets yesterday, their records the same as the Dolphins, then it kind of sets in and you go, damn, same as the Dolphins. Six, seven, as the kids like to say. Six, seven. Oh, God. What? What? When I passed my window of 6, 7. When it gets to you, it's probably over. Oh, okay. Wow.

[Paulie]

My kids told me that was a July, August, September, bad.

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All right, all right. And that would be what months of the year would that be? 67. See? Nice save. Thank you, Todd. Yeah. Okay. The old man still got a little get up on his fastball here. Poll question today. Does anybody have a poll question on this program? Seon. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, you're goofing around back there. No, I was listening to the executive producer of the show talking to me, Dan. That's what I was doing. Listen to me. Who is the host of the show that he's producing? My hearing. Huh?

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What?

[Dan Patrick]

What's the poll question today? Well, I'm trying to think of something that's not insensitive regarding Michigan. Yeah, I don't know if that's a topic for a poll question because I. I don't want to be flippant with that. Like, if you. If you recently committed to Michigan, what are you doing now? Yeah, you know, I think I. I feel like if you're being recruited by a school, the job security of the coach that is recruiting you should be paramount. Yeah. Right. But I like that the NCAA allows for these kids to say, do I want to stay here? Oh, absolutely. Now, it used to be you're locked in no matter who's coming in to coach. And I think that you should have that window, which they do. You got 15 days, and this is going to be a mad scramble here. Yeah. Paulie.

[Paulie]

I would say, though, no disrespect to Sharon Moore, but he hasn't earned the right to be the reason kids went to that school. My guess is, if you're going to Michigan and you just declared last week you wanted to play for Michigan in the Big Ten with their history, and Sharon Moore has been a temp coach who's done. Who's been underwhelming. So. And he's been the shortest stint coach in the past 100 years for that team.

[Dan Patrick]

You had everything there. Okay. They gifted you this head coaching position. You got suspended because of the whole science dealing scandal, and you survived it, and now you have this. You got three little kids at home.

Yes. You know, I think. I think Paul's right. Sherron Moore hasn't earned that right to be. I'm going there to play for you. However, he's still the guy that said to all of these kids, you're my guy and I want you to come here. And now he's not there anymore. And the next guy who comes in might like a totally different type of player. Yeah. Because it's about, what style do you play? And you're. You're recruiting me for how you want to coach, your style, how your defense is, how your offense is. I mean, it's very specific. We've talked to, you know, former athletes here recently. You go to play for a coach, it's not about you're going to play in that conference or play for that school or that environment. It is specific. I'm playing for you. And then.

Everything is year to year. All of this is year to year. It feels like it's year to year with the coaches. It's year to year with the players. And now these players are probably saying, do I want to. Do I want to go through this? You got no recruits. Okay. Or you're going to have recruits who may want to leave. I Mean, it's not like Penn State was signing day because they got crushed. You're still Michigan, and they still have some really good recruits coming in. Where do they rank, Paulie, with a signing day?

[Paulie]

Michigan off signing day, had 27 recruits. They were ranked fourth in the Big Ten to 11th in the country.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

So pretty standard for them. Maybe a little light.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But now you wonder if you can hold on to those players and what coach is going to take this job right now?

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paul, but this is where NIL can save you in five years. It couldn't. You may go back to these recruits and say, we're all renegotiating. We're all renegotiating. And your initial deals for Nil have now all been bumped up 20%. And that may trump whatever the coaching situation is with the nil. And you didn't have that availability 10 years ago. Five years ago.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, man. We'll see who wants this job, how many players are going to stay, how many are going to go. But just imagine you're going to work and you go, hey, we got to get ready for the Citrus bowl in a couple of weeks. And he knows there's an investigation going on. He had to know there's an investigation going on. How much did he know? When did he know it? And then all of a sudden, what happened after that? Now, is it attempted murder?

[Paulie]

I looked at the police department website and they said charges are pending and that Sharon Moore was held part of the investigation, also for his own safety.

[Dan Patrick]

Sorry.

[Paulie]

Yeah, there's. According to. Again, I want to stick with the police report. It made. They made it sound like charges are pending and haven't been filed yet.

[Dan Patrick]

But if he threatened to kill her and himself, is that attempted murder?

[Paulie]

That I don't know. But I think there's a court arraignment this morning.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. In fact, we're going to talk to a reporter who I believe is at the courthouse. Is that sound right, Todd? That is correct. All right. Tony Garcia, who covers Michigan. Yep. For the Detroit Free Press. He's at the courthouse. He'll join us. Coming up, we will settle on a poll question. Your phone calls are always welcome. Rob Gronkowski, a little bit later on. To add some levity here, Dan Wetzel, college football columnist from the Mothership, will stop by as well. Just getting started on this Thursday. Glad to have you on board, Dan. And the Dan at Stan Patrick Show.

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[Tony Garcia]

Yeah, good morning, Dan. As of now, there are no official charges to this point that have been made publicly. So Drone Moore was investigated for assault. Investigation that is going on. Things moved pretty quickly yesterday. So Drone Moore was fired for cause on Wednesday after an investigation found credible evidence he had an inappropriate relationship with A staffer, I'm told there had been an internal investigation dating back a couple months. And then recently in the last couple of weeks, they brought in an outside firm which corroborated things and moved that over to the athletic department. Separately from that, multiple law enforcement agencies responded to a call for Mr. Moore just outside Ann Arbor around 4pm yesterday, less than one hour before the firing was announced. The investigation currently is into an alleged assault and Mr. Moore has been detained by the Pittsfield Township Police and he was transported to the Washtenaw County Jail overnight where he was held. That's where we are right now in the 14A district court here in Washtenaw County.

[Dan Patrick]

How was he informed that he was fired?

[Tony Garcia]

Those details are not quite public. I've been told that yesterday there was a team meeting. The athletic director came in to the team facilities and informed the staff and the players, but Mr. Moore was not there at that time. So I. Sometime in the previous, in the past 48 hours is, is when he is when he was told specifically, but it's, it's not clear where, where he was at that time.

[Dan Patrick]

And this has been swirling. I had gotten word at the end of October. Now, I don't know if that lines up with anybody's timeline, but once again, I didn't know, you know, if there was any fire to it. There was certainly smoke. And I didn't know if it was a smear campaign or just somebody putting something out on social media. But I did get a heads up from a source, but then it kind of went away. When did it resurface where you knew that this was something that was credible?

[Tony Garcia]

Yeah. Really? In October, like you just said, Dan, that is when the week of the Michigan State game was the final week of October. That is when the university started investigating this. And there had been word and other reporters had heard as well that there was not quite the findings to move forward with this. And then something changed in the last couple of weeks where a smoking gun of sorts was found. That much to me is not yet clear whom it was, but things evolved pretty rapidly in the last 10 or so days.

[Dan Patrick]

Were these recruits, signees given any heads up that their coach, his job is in jeopardy?

[Tony Garcia]

It doesn't sound like it from what, from what I've heard. But I've also been told that this investigation and the findings of this investigation was not held intentionally post signing day.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Tony Garcia]

Because because remember, in this, in this day and age, in this transfer portal era, once a head coach leaves, everybody is. Is free to enter the transfer portal market as they see fit. So this would have, they could be on the on the move anyway and they have, they have free rein to do so immediately.

[Dan Patrick]

15 day window here for these new signees and those players who are currently on the roster.

[Tony Garcia]

That's right. Which will almost.

Overlap into when the, the portal opens again and in, in January. Right. So people players in the Michigan program most of the next six weeks or so plus they're going to, they're going to be eligible for transfer and so we'll see. I mean there's a lot of damage control going on in and around behind the scenes right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Tony Garcia joining us from the courthouse. He covers Michigan football and basketball for the Detroit Free Press. Will Sharon Moore appear in court this morning?

[Tony Garcia]

That's our expectation. We are here in the, in the lobby at the 14A district court. We've been a colleague and I have been walking around to different courtro rooms trying to find it but it seems as though there's some TV monitors over to my left here. They may just arraign him via zoom and display it on on TV in court. So I'm not sure if we're going to get to, to be in in person for, for anything.

[Dan Patrick]

The coaching search is underway, I'm sure. Yeah. Give me a short list here of you know, the true potential candidates.

[Tony Garcia]

Yeah, well there's a couple that really come to the top of of mind for me. One of them is Jed Fish at Washington. He.

Has had had ties to the Big Ten, to Michigan specifically where he was a quarterbacks coach, wide receivers coach, passing game coordinator under Jim Harbaugh in 2015. 16 and he's led a couple of nice successful programs in the past five years. He turned Arizona around. He took over after they went 05 in the COVID 19 short in 2020 season. He won just one game that first year but by year three he was 10 and three he beat Oklahoma in a bowl game. And so he seems to know how I mean and that's a lot fewer resources than here in Ann Arbor. And then recently the past two years at Washington. Nothing to truly write home about 6 and 7 two years ago and then 8 and 4 this past season. But Cameron DeBoer had left right for Alabama and, and, and that roster was completely gutted. So I don't think anybody thought he was going to make a bowl game that first year and, and he's done a great job this year as well with just even winning eight games with another roster. I think the over under before the Season was six and a half, so he's. He's exceeded expectations again. And then I just mentioned the other name, Kane DeBoer. Sounds like things are. I mean, there's been a lot going on in Alabama and in Tuscaloosa, and we. And we know. We know the fan base is not exactly happy with. With the job. He's done nine and four in his first season, missing the College Football Playoff, just making it in there this season. I wonder if he doesn't wait for someone in Tuscaloosa to make a call in one year. If, if he doesn't win a national championship and he sees a program that has all the resources, all the money, the infrastructure that you could want as a winner, obviously just won a national championship two seasons ago. Those would be my top two names on the list right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but doesn't Alabama have all those things that you're telling me Michigan has?

[Tony Garcia]

Oh, certainly they do. I mean, I mean, it's a long shot, right? And I don't think. But he has ties to this area as well. So at Eastern Michigan, he was an offensive coordinator from 2014 to 2016, which is just up the road in Ypsilanti. And then he got his start. Or really, I'd say he made a name for himself in the Big Ten with Indiana, at Indiana with Michael Penix, before he then took him to Washington and led them to a national championship loss, ironically to Michigan.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, let me. Let me throw out a name that probably would not be popular, but he's free right now and he's got experience, and that would be Brian Kelly.

[Tony Garcia]

I knew where you were going to go with that, and I tweeted out yesterday and maybe this is a chance for cold takes exposed or something. It's not going to be. It's not going to be Brian Kelly. There are. There is. There is brass that is not. That are not Brian Kelly fans. And I will leave it at that.

[Dan Patrick]

Great stuff. Good luck today.

[Tony Garcia]

Thank you, Dan. Appreciate having me on.

[Dan Patrick]

That's Tony Garcia, covers Michigan football for the Detroit Free Press at the courthouse there. And I threw out Brian Kelly. You know, it wouldn't be popular, but, I mean, you got to stop the bleeding here. Get somebody in who's still respected. I would think, in the coaching community.

You probably don't have to pay him a lot. You could have him earn his. His contract. You got to keep those kids on campus, man, because now it's abandoned ship. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Pauling, I don't know how serious the Kaylin DeBoer to Michigan. Possibility is, but the idea of going from Washington to Alabama to replace Nick Saban to choosing to leave Alabama, like, by choice is one of the nuttier things I've ever heard of as a concept.

[Dan Patrick]

But this, this has been there for a while. This was brought up to me twice. Two independent sources talked about Kalyn DeBoer. Oh, is his family happy there? And I like, he's, he's in Alabama. Got a great program. Yeah, but, yeah, but you know, if USC moves on from Lincoln. Right. I was like, wow. Like it, it expanded across the United States. It was like, well, you know, I could see him going here, he could go there. And now it's, could he go to Michigan? I guess. You're in the playoffs.

You'Re in Alabama.

I know it's one of the marquee jobs, but his name keeps coming up. Now he has to answer this. It's going to be brought up at a press conference. Hey, your name's being mentioned at Michigan. You got any, you know, comments on that?

And of course he's going to say, no, I'm happy here, going to stay here. We're preparing for, you know, our college football playoffs, all of those things. But this is where we are with college football, where it's, you can't say no, that would never happen because of all the things that have happened. Wild, crazy. And once again, this was supposed to be the quiet time for college football after the playoffs or playoff committee selection show signing day. All right, let's let army and Navy have center stage this weekend. Yes, marvin. If Kaylin DeBoer leaves Alabama to go to Michigan, there's officially no destination jobs in America as far as college football is concerned. Yeah, like Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma. That's supposed to be a destination job. If he leaves Alabama, there's no destination jobs. God, it's crazy. Crazy. But you start to look at the timeline here. You know, the new coach has to be hired within 30 days. The 15 day transfer portal window opens up December 31st.

I mean, this is wild. And to get the coach and you're, are you trying to get the coach that you want in there or you're just getting somebody to take over? I think that's really the key. And here's the other thing I wanted to tell you about. The Big Ten is pushing for 24 teams in the playoffs.

Now, apparently they're the, the hurdle keeping us from 16 teams, from what I'm told next year, 16 playoff teams. The Big Ten is pushing for 24 teams. The Big Ten wants to have at least four spots that are secured for the Big Ten.

Now, if you do 24, you won't have conference championships, but 16 has momentum right now. But you're going to have to get the Big Ten in the SEC to sign off on this. From what I'm told, the Big Ten is pushing for 24 teams to make sure they have at least four schools in there. And you can bet the. The SEC is going to go well. We want five automatic qualifiers in here, not four. We want five. So there's nine there. And then, you know, you go around to the other conferences here. But this is going on right now as we speak. Those conversations.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, I saw a couple other stories that the Notre Dame private deal with the playoff committee that starts next year is not going over well with other conferences and other schools.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but this is like just an automatic qualifier. That. That's what Notre Dame, I think, is saying. And that's what, you know, the College Football Playoff committee is saying. This is sort of, you know, their automatic qualifier there, whether you agree with that or not. But these are the things that are going on. And yes, I think there were a lot of people who were surprised that you had, wait a minute, Notre Dame didn't make the playoffs, but we're going to make sure they make the playoffs next year because if they're in the top 12. Well, now the top 12, if there's 24 teams, I mean, now that's too many. And 16 is probably where we land. But it feels like there's still some negotiating going on there because these big conferences, the Big Ten and the SEC are staying saying, wait a minute here, we want to be guaranteed.

But if you're the Big Ten, do you want to come off as, hey, we need help like we, we need help to be, you know. And as my source said, it would appear the only way 24 happens is the replacement of conference championships.

Let's see, what else does he say? In general, the Big Ten lacks confidence in the committee's process and wants to at least have four spots automatic qualifiers. Oh, welcome to college football's new landscape. Forever changing. Chris in Syracuse leads us off. Hi, Chris. What's on your mind today? Hey, thanks, Dan. Yeah, A couple items for you. You know what went down yesterday in Ann Arbor. If it had happened a few weeks ago and both LSU and Michigan were pursuing Lane Kiffin years ago, you think, wow, that's a tough choice. But Michigan football's program has been so toxic on so many levels. Yeah. You think LSU is the clear, clear choice. And, and also, Dan, I wonder if Tom Brady will want to have input on Michigan's coaching search and with his track record at Vegas, would Michigan even want his input? Well, okay, it's funny that you say that because here's from a college football source.

Let me see, what's he say?

Early reviews. You've got.

Somebody from the Eagles, Scott Leffler, Virginia's head coach, Jed Fish at Washington.

Maybe Tom Brady can bring Bill Belichick to the whole brains.

That's, that's, that's just a little joke there. Little sarcasm there. But there, you know, and Jesse Minter, he was on Harbaugh staff and he got suspended during the whole, I think coaching their signal stealing controversy.

[Paulie]

He got show caused.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And I think that show cause ends today.

[Paulie]

I have it as the 15th of December, conveniently.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. I don't think you can bring back Jesse Minter given what happened with the Harbaugh regime. I see that as a long shot there. But maybe it's, you know, Jet Fish at Washington coming back. You know, everybody loves to have ties. Oh, he's got, you know, Kaylin DeBoer, he's got ties in eastern Michigan and like, okay, he was there for two years. Yeah, I, I drove through Michigan. I guess I got ties there. The Upper Peninsula. Yeah, Cooper. Yeah, Cooper. All right, let me take a break. More Phone calls coming up. 877-3-DP show. Our play of the day is next.

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[Tony Garcia]

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Bunny ball at the buzzer. Oh, what a punctuation mark on a brilliant opening half tonight in downtown Oklahoma City, courtesy of the Thunder Radio Network. OkC24.1 on the year and they average margin of victory is 17 and a half. The NBA record. They said it last season, 12.9 for an entire season margin of victory. Wow. That's your play of the day. Play of the day brought to you by the great folks at Tire Rack. They've been doing it for over 40 years now. The right tires for how and what and where you drive ship fast and free backed by free road hazard protection with convenient installation options like mobile tire installation. Tirerack.com the way tire buying should be here's an interesting part of OKC's dominance in 25 games. How many times has Shea Gilgis Alexander played in the fourth quarter?

[Paulie]

Paulie he has sat in 13 fourth quarters of their 25 games. And they did a little research on this. I just saw it this morning. He's averaging 33 minutes a game. He's averaging 32.6 a game. If he had played in those fourth quarters, even half of them, based off his usage rate, his points per game would be 36.6 right now.

[Dan Patrick]

That's an impressive team and no reason to think that they won't stay that way. Barring injury. They have draft picks. The subs get to play in the fourth quarter. Everybody should be happy, everybody getting numbers there. And you don't see, you know, OKC when they had Durant and they had Harden and Westbrook, we thought they were built. They were set to go. And then all of a sudden KD is like, I'm out of here. Harden wanted to have his own team and then Westbrook was the only guy left standing. That doesn't appear to be the case for okc. And they're going to have a couple of lottery picks in the upcoming draft as well. That's why I don't know if you package those picks because there's only so many players you can have now. You can send them to the G League, but you have all of these players. You want to give them playing time. Now you're going to bring in a couple more Rookies. And what are you going to do with those players who have been with you the last couple of years? I think that'll be kind of the. It's a good problem to have. Yes. Marvin. And the crazy thing is this draft.

[Paulie]

Has a couple of guys that seem to be franchise changing players like Cam Boozer and debona.

[Dan Patrick]

From byu. From byu.

[Paulie]

So what if they get a top two pick?

[Dan Patrick]

You might have a franchise changer added on to Shea and Jalen and Chad. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Based off the odds right now Oklahoma City would have the third pick of the draft. They got it from the Clippers because it was unprotected. Unprotected.

[Dan Patrick]

Is this the gift that keeps on giving? The Paul George deal. Paul George's deal might go down in history as a worse deal than the Herschel Walker deal.

[Paulie]

It's getting better by year for Oklahoma City don't have unprotected picks. We've always said that here in the Dan Patrick Show.

[Dan Patrick]

But the Cowboys though, won three Super Bowls. If OKC would win three NBA titles, well, you can make a strong argument that deal was one of the worst one sided deals in history. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

As of right now, The Thunder have four first round draft picks in 2026 and three first round draft picks in 2027.

[Dan Patrick]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Isaac and all in Atlanta. Isaac in Atlanta. Hey, how you doing? Good, man. You know, as long as you're creating a fuss, why not start the rumor that Tom Brady wants to come be the coach or general manager in Michigan and save his alma mater? No, he's got too many jobs. He gets well compensated for one day a week doing a game and he's also a minority owner of the Raiders. Kevin in Austin. Hi, Kevin. What's on your mind?

Adp, A couple of things for you and a question. One, you know, obviously what happened yesterday after Coach Moore left the building was just horrible. And you know, I hope everybody's okay. But two, in a previous life I used to work as a low level staffer on at a major Division 1 program. And the ripple effect that's happening right now with these assistant coaches, these graduate assistants, these quality control, a lot of these guys that don't make a lot of money who have to go home and go, I don't know where we're going to be next week or whatever is, is something I wish we'd shed some light on. And then the other question I wanted to ask you said that the portal for these kids opens up December 31st. Is that correct? Let me see If I have the exact. Let's see the transfer portal set to open on January 2nd. It's a 15 day window to enter the portal once a new head coach is hired.

Well, they play Texas 31st December. Oh, I know. They got the Citrus Bowl. Thanks for the phone call. And that's, that's what I, that was the point I made early in the show was you show up for work and you're going to prepare for the Citrus Bowl. Now, maybe he wasn't showing up for work because he already knew that he was going to be fired. But this week he's probably still showing up, getting ready for the Citrus bowl while there's conversations going on and you're wondering, are they going to fire me? And then once they do, then we saw what happened to him.

I mean, it's one of those where, wait a minute, what happened? And then all of a sudden you go, wait a minute, what else happened?

I mean, thankfully it wasn't as bad as it could have been given what the story is right now, that he's threatening the girl he was allegedly having an affair with and himself and his poor wife with three little ones at home. And you got handed this great job.

You got handed Michigan.

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, looking at the NCAA rules, there's a normal transfer portal window in early January like you said. But once they hire a new coach, Michigan, there's a temporary portal for those current Michigan players. Standard NCAA rules.

[Dan Patrick]

Kevin and Dayton. Hi Kevin. What's on your mind? Good morning, Dan. I'm long time listener since wtue. Just couple things. I think that, you know, I would like, since I go to the first floor every year, I would like to see the go to 16 teams in the bottom four, play for the last two slots in the playoffs, make it to the top 12. And I think everybody in Ohio is worried that Patricio may go to Michigan, that Matt Patricia is going to take the Michigan job.

You know, I can't say no. I can't say that'll never happen because not in today's current climate. But if you're Michigan, are you going to be steadfast, we got to have a Michigan guy or are you just going to take the best guy that you can get right now? I don't know how picky you can be with this, but I mean, you imagine trying to talk to all of those kids right now or individually, the parents are probably saying, wait a minute, what is going on? The agents involved in this, oh my God.

And it's happening right now. And had this happened two weeks ago, would Matt Campbell have been offered that job? He would have been a candidate. Would he have taken the Michigan job instead of Penn State? Man.

Meanwhile, we've not talking about Lane Kiffin anymore or Notre Dame anymore. That happened quickly. Yes, Marvin.

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