Hour 1 – Belichick ‘s Legacy Is Taking a Hit, Mike Florio

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 1

Episode: “Belichick’s Legacy Is Taking a Hit | Mike Florio”

Date: October 9, 2025

Host: Dan Patrick
Featured Guest: Mike Florio
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts & Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Brief Overview

Hour 1 of The Dan Patrick Show covers MLB playoff heartbreaks, the Yankees’ continued World Series drought, managerial philosophies past and present, and the legacy-threatening headlines around Bill Belichick’s rocky North Carolina tenure. Mike Florio joins for a wide-ranging interview, zeroing in on Belichick’s reputation, NFL coaching volatility, and historic franchise blunders. Throughout, Dan and the Danettes offer humorous banter, sharp sports analysis, and listener engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

MLB Playoff Recap & Painful Losses

[02:33]–[04:46]

• Dan recaps recent MLB playoff outcomes, highlighting the Blue Jays ousting the Yankees and Phillies’ home run barrages.
• Discussion leads to a poll question:
  "Worst way to lose a playoff baseball game?"
  Options:
  • Strikeout looking with men on base
  • Grounding into a game-ending double play
  • Fielding error
  • Giving up a walk-off home run
• Dan reflects on Mitch Williams’ perspective after giving up Joe Carter's World Series-winning home run:

  “I threw my best and he hit my best. He was the better man.” (Dan Patrick, 03:21)

• Fielding errors and looking strikeouts agreed as the most painful endings.

The Yankees’ Drought & Clubhouse Culture

[06:30]–[11:49]

• Clips compare the jubilant Blue Jays radio call to the sadness in Yankees’ Dave Sims’ sendoff:

  “Very sad ending to a Yankee season here in 2025.” (Dan Patrick, 06:41)

• Dan and the Danettes debate the front office’s continued faith in Aaron Boone and Cashman, despite another postseason letdown.
• Dan critiques the Yankees’ shift from dominance/spending to “prudence,” considering the contrast to the Steinbrenner era:

  “This wouldn’t have happened…with George Steinbrenner. I just can’t imagine he would go, ‘Yeah, I’m okay with that.’” (Dan Patrick, 08:30)

• Notable stat: Yankees’ current 16-season World Series drought ties their longest in franchise history (1979–1996).

  "The Yankees are currently at 16 straight seasons without winning a World Series…" (Mike Florio via Paul, 10:33)

DH Debate: Would You Trade 20 Years for Back-to-Back Titles?

[11:49]–[12:30]

• Dan asks: if you’re a struggling franchise, would you accept 20 years without a playoff appearance in exchange for winning two World Series in a row?
• Consensus among the crew: most cities, especially those starved for a title, would take the deal (Marlin and Guardians references).

The Belichick Mess at North Carolina

[12:32]–[17:12]; continued with Mike Florio [24:15]–[28:34]

• Dan brings up the crumbling situation with Bill Belichick coaching at UNC, noting the front office's public statements and media rumors.
• Debate: Is Belichick himself to blame for the “drama,” including the spotlight on his much-younger girlfriend?

  “Bill never had messes in New England. Never. He controlled everything. And now…it seems like he controls nothing.”
  “I put the blame on Bill. Bill has to get this right.” (Dan Patrick, 12:58–13:21)

• Dan doubts Belichick will get another shot in the NFL:

  “This will be his last stop.”

• Mike Florio, when asked for his key question about the Belichick-UNC saga:

  “How much money changes hands and in which direction does it go when it finally ends?...It feels like they're staking out what the end game and dissolution is going to be.” (Mike Florio, 24:23)

• Both Dan and Florio agree the current controversies, lackluster results, and off-field distractions heavily tarnish Belichick’s legacy — and will complicate any future hire.

NFL Storylines & Florio Interview

Florio Segment: [23:17]–[39:49]

Browns’ Trade & Dysfunction

• Discusses Browns coach Kevin Stefanski being surprised at Joe Flacco’s trade:

  “So much of what happens in Cleveland…is at the whims of whatever the owner decides to do. There’s a structure…but at the end of the day, it’s just what the owner wants.” (Florio, 23:33)

Belichick’s NFL Reputation — Irreparable?

• Is Belichick’s NFL legend secure despite UNC implosion?

  “I don't think it affects anything he's done in the NFL…But future employment? …There are plenty of teams that don't know what the hell they're doing …I can't rule out an owner saying: ‘What the hell, nothing else’s worked, let’s give it a shot.’”
  “But how do you sell this Bill Belichick to a fanbase?...That’s the hardest thing.” (Florio, 25:34–26:41)

• Both agree: even failing teams may hesitate, especially given the “Don Shula record” subtext if Miami were to consider Belichick.
• On the Dolphins:

  “I think that whole Don Shula-Bill Belichick feud would be a factor against him going to Miami.” (Florio, 27:50)

Volatile NFL Coaching Market

• On Mike McDaniel, Dolphins coach:

  “Authentic works until you’re piling up losses…They need to find someone in the middle.” (Florio, 27:54)

• Coaching searches often swing from “taskmaster” types to “player’s coaches” and back.

Franchise Fines & League Discipline

• Jerry Jones fined $250k for flipping the bird — compared to coach/player fines:

  “I think Jerry should say, ‘You know what, next time I’ll just throw a drink on them, because that only cost $300,000 when David Tepper did it. That's a bargain in comparison!’” (Florio, 28:54)

Quarterback/Coach Futures

• 49ers' insurance by having Mac Jones alongside Brock Purdy, with long-term upside and contract flexibility.
• John Harbaugh potentially on the hot seat in Baltimore due to the team's decline:

  “He falls into that category…if he gets fired, or it’s mutual, he’d land somewhere else right away…There's a very real chance…a mutual parting is what happens.” (Florio, 33:47–34:56)

• Dan notes Steelers’ unexpected leadership:

  “I thought this might be the last year for Tomlin in Pittsburgh…but here they are leading the division.” (Dan, 34:56)

DeShaun Watson and Franchise Disasters

• Florio, when asked about worst NFL moves, names Watson-to-Browns as number one:

  “The Deshaun Watson contract and trade is the single worst transaction in NFL history…They gave up a lot, they’ve paid him a lot, they’ve got nothing in return.” (Florio, 38:07)

• Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams trades also mentioned; the rookie pay scale's impact on team-building is explored.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Postseason Agony:

“Striking out looking where you don’t even swing, that is just terrible.”
— Dan Patrick (04:46)

On Yankees’ New Reality:

“They’ve almost become prudent; we’re not going to go crazy on the Soto contract…That wouldn’t have happened [under Steinbrenner].”
— Dan Patrick (08:30)

On Belichick’s Downfall:

“Bill has to get this right. Everything you’re hearing is negative. The onus should not be on his girlfriend…Bill has allowed this to happen.”
— Dan Patrick (12:58, 13:28)

On Dysfunctional Franchises:

“Plenty of teams in the NFL don’t know what the hell they’re doing… Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things.”
— Mike Florio (25:43)

On Franchise Blunders:

“The Deshaun Watson contract and trade is the single worst transaction in NFL history…if there was a list, I don’t know what number two would be.”
— Mike Florio (38:07)

On Fines and NFL Logic:

“Jerry had the ridiculous idea he meant to give a thumbs up... Next time I’ll just throw a drink on them, because that only cost $300,000 when David Tepper did it.”
— Mike Florio (28:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:33 — Dan reviews latest MLB Playoff action; introduces the "Worst Loss" poll
• 03:43–04:46 — Poll question debate: worst way to lose a playoff game
• 05:49–06:36 — Blue Jays and Yankees season-ending radio calls juxtaposed
• 07:37–10:33 — Deep dive on the Yankees' 16-year World Series drought
• 12:32–13:28 — Dan’s analysis of the Belichick-UNC chaos, with focus on blame and legacy
• 23:17–39:49 — Extended Mike Florio interview: Browns, Belichick’s future, NFL coaching job security, league discipline, and all-time franchise disasters
• 38:07–39:49 — Florio deems Watson-to-Browns the worst NFL transaction ever
• 44:54 — Play of the Day: Kyle Schwarber’s postseason home run
• 47:10–50:28 — Listener calls: Dodgers’ use of Kershaw, sports nicknames, and Belichick chatter

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Listener Engagement

• Callers share frustration and ideas on topics such as Dodgers playoff pitching, Yankees potential hiring of Don Mattingly, and UNC fans sharing their exasperation with Belichick’s tenure.
• Humorous nicknames (“Human Rain Delay” for Mike Hargrove) and “start a rumor” segments showcase the show’s playful side.

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Tone and Language

The tone throughout is lively, irreverent, and conversational, blending sharp analysis with personal anecdotes, humorous jabs, and authentic sports-fan emotion.

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Conclusion

This hour bundles timely sports headlines, nostalgic anecdotes, critical analysis of coaching and front-office philosophy, and the ever-present drama of “legacy” for icons like Belichick. Mike Florio’s commentary frames the chaos of both college and NFL coaching, and Dan’s hosting keeps things witty—and honest. The segment offers not only the news but deep context for the current crossroads in baseball and football.

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Transcript

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[Mike Florio]

Into a game ending double play.

[Dan Patrick]

An error in the field like a drop ball, something like that. Or give up the game winning home run as a pitcher. Oh, now I'll reflect back on what Mitch Williams told me when he gave up a home run that won the World Series for Toronto. He gave up the home run to Joe Carter and he said, hey, you know, it's, it's not one of those that you're devastated by because I threw my best and he hit my best. I at least got that moment. And I like, it was a completely different take than I would have had. But he said, hey, you want to, you want to throw your best? He hit my best and he was the better man. And they won the World Series. Yes. Yeah, like some of you know, grounding into a game ending double play, I.

[Mike Florio]

Don'T think that that's a bad way at all. It sucks.

[Dan Patrick]

But you put the ball in play.

[Mike Florio]

You know, you make contact that just.

[Dan Patrick]

Didn'T find the gap in the infield or whatever. But I mean, at least you gave your team a chance. That's a lot different than say like.

[Mike Florio]

Striking out, looking where you don't even.

[Dan Patrick]

Swing like that is just terrible. Or an error in the field is brutal. That's brutal. And you lose the game that way. That is just awful. And having been there when Bill Buckner had the ball go through his legs and he talked about that, you know, they win the World Series, ball goes through his legs and you know, that lives in infamy. All right, we'll settle on a poll question here. I did want to bring the end the final call with the Yankees against the Blue Jays. Blue Jays have put up some runs. The Blue Jays have scored 34 runs so far in the playoffs. That's the most by any team through its first four postseason games in baseball history. Once again, Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. This is how it sounded on the Blue Jays radio network. The 1, 2 swing in a mid strike, 3 screaming flex from Hoffman.

[Mike Florio]

The Blue Jays are back in the.

[Dan Patrick]

ALCS for the first time since 2016.

[Mike Florio]

They down the Yankees in their own.

[Dan Patrick]

Yard and they're the first team in baseball's final four. Okay, Blue Jays radio network. Dave Sims, of course, is the play by play voice for the Yankees radio network. He joined us a couple of days ago to talk about maybe his lack of enthusiasm for a Vlad Guerrero grand slam. Fritz, he called him out on that. So we thought, let's juxtapose the two calls there. So here's Dave Sims. And the end of the Yankees season. There's a pitch. Swing and a miss.

[Mike Florio]

And that'll do it.

[Dan Patrick]

The Toronto Blue Jays are going to the American League Championship Series, which starts.

[Mike Florio]

On Sunday as Hoffman very defiant look at the Yankee dugout now.

[Dan Patrick]

Very sad ending to a Yankee season here in 2025. Okay, Todd, you of course, the big judge of Dave Sims enthusiasm or lack thereof.

[Mike Florio]

A little more mid.

[Dan Patrick]

I was kind of hoping he would.

[Mike Florio]

Take it with him. How about that Blue Jays? He didn't do it. That's all right.

[Dan Patrick]

He did not. You don't. Are you okay with that kind of, you know, very somber call.

[Mike Florio]

It ended the season. So I can wink at that. But it's, it's very, very somber. And I guess you're trying to cap audience. The Yankee fans are upset and sad. So you have to be sad.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Mike Florio]

It's understandable.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Mike Florio]

Little big moment for the Blue Jays and then moving on to the alcs. That should be acknowledged even as a Yankee knows.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Paul?

[Mike Florio]

Yeah, it wasn't a huge play like a game ending home run by the Blue Jays where he had to do the excitement, then bring it back down. It was more. And with all the men left on base, it was like you could feel the disappointment coming. So he captured the tone.

[Dan Patrick]

And I think that there was speculation. There wasn't anything that was concrete that maybe Aaron Boone would lose his job if they got swept. And we had Christopher Mad Dog Russo on, he goes, nope. Front office loves Boone, loves Cashman. Cashman's been there in some capacity since 1986. But Aaron Boone looks like he'll survive, even though they got one win out of this. And you have to start to wonder, are the Yankees okay with this? From. From a certain standpoint, are they okay that your team is good, you have maybe the best player in the game, you have a pretty, you know, hefty payroll. But are you okay not going to the alcs? Like, how would you sum this up? If you're a Yankee, you know, person in the front office or Aaron Boone, is there any part of you that goes, okay, like, did you exceed expectations? Because I would be disappointed if I. But, you know, growing up and seeing the Yankees, when the Yankees were truly dominating and spending more money than anybody, but that's not the case anymore. They've almost become kind of prudent where, you know, we're going to pick and choose. We're not going to go crazy on the Soto contract. And, you know, we've got a couple of good guys here. I mean, they overpaid for a couple of players. Are they still paying Jacoby Ellsberry? He might. He might still be getting paid by them, but it just feels like. And they didn't have Garrett Cole, so you got. I mean, that's one of the best pitchers in the game. But I don't know. This wouldn't have happened. They wouldn't have, you know, been kind of stuck in neutral with George Steinbrenner. I just can't imagine he would go, yeah, I'm okay with that. They won one World Series game Since what, 26, 2016? Yes. Todd. Is that right? Marvin? 2009. Oh, 2009.

[Mike Florio]

The last time. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

The last time they won was against.

[Mike Florio]

The Phillies in 2009, when they won the World Series.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, I'm talking about winning a game. 2009. So they won one World Series game. That was last year. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yes.

[Mike Florio]

Is it enough of a band aid.

[Dan Patrick]

That they can say they knocked out.

[Mike Florio]

The Red Sox in the playoffs? As far as who's keeping their jobs.

[Dan Patrick]

And having anything positive to say about this season for the Yankees, I don't think this was a great Red Sox team. I think this Red Sox team felt like they overachieved a little bit. But if I'm the Yankee, a Yankee fan. No, this ain't about the Red Sox anymore? No, because Red Sox aren't the second best team or the best team in the American League. You know, Toronto is a young team, and they. They got a lot of power, score a lot of runs. You know, Tigers aren't going away anytime soon. Seattle, up and coming young team, you know, so you got to start thinking bigger picture here than, hey, we beat the Red Sox. That wouldn't satisfy me. Yeah. Paul, The Yankees are currently at 16.

[Mike Florio]

Straight seasons without winning a World Series, and that ties their longest stretch in the history of the franchise. They went from 79 till 96 without winning. So 16 years then as well.

[Dan Patrick]

And having been there when George would fire Billy Martin a couple times, he just didn't, you know, and it was very reactionary. You know, you were never surprised that George was going to do something like that. And granted, there has to be somewhere in between of today's, you know, Yankees back to when George was there, but still, accountability. And I'm not, you know, I guess, pleading for or suggesting they fire Aaron Boone. I mean, I'm not a big fan of his from the standpoint of analytics. And here's a guy who played the game, brother played the game, his dad played the game, his dad managed. Like, gut feeling, still has a place in the game. And it doesn't always feel that way when I look at the Yankees, but I'm just surprised. But then you're going to say, or at least I would say, all right, who you bringing in? Because how many great managers out there? And Aaron Boone, I think, is a very good manager. I just don't like when you bring out the binder and all of a sudden it's like you're ordering off a menu or something. Yeah. Paulie, I went back and look at.

[Mike Florio]

The Blue Jays history. They won the World Series in 92 and 93, and then they didn't appear in the postseason for 20 years.

[Dan Patrick]

Would you sign up for that?

[Mike Florio]

If you're a fan.

[Dan Patrick]

In 92 and 93? I would like.

[Mike Florio]

If you're a Cleveland Guardians fan, you could win the next two World Series and you don't make the playoffs again for 20 years.

[Dan Patrick]

I would sign up for that. Yeah.

[Mike Florio]

You have to, right?

[Dan Patrick]

If. If I'm in Cleveland. Yes.

[Mike Florio]

Detroit.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, yes, yes. I would. I mean, the Marlin fans, they did that twice where you, okay, you're gonna win and then you're not gonna do anything, and then you'll win again and then not do anything. Yeah. Marvin Marlin's got fans.

[Mike Florio]

Oh, no.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. All righty. So 877 3DP show few things. Talk about, we'll talk to Florio about this Belichick situation in North Carolina. And when you have to put out statements, you know that, hey, we, we totally back Bill Bell. Like we're, we're what, five games in and we're putting out statements. Doesn't bode well here. And, and I, I think what's happened, a lot of this has happened and that is we're blaming his young girlfriend. She gets, you know, like, oh my gosh, you know, how, how does he let this happen? Exactly. Bill never had messes in New England. Never. He controlled everything. And now he, it seems like he controls nothing. So I put the blame is on Bill. Bill has to get this right. And everything that you're hearing is like, it's all negative. Now granted, they do have two wins. It's just they've been blown out three times and the two wins aren't impressive. But if you didn't have all this drama and let's say you had a groundswell of support, the locker room wasn't fractured. Guys are, you know, there's positivity out there. Hey, that guy looks pretty good. Hey, we got a bright future here. Well, you don't have any of that. And if you're a recruit or you're the parents of a recruit, you want your kid going to North Carolina. And North Carolina has never had a problem with getting top talent. Never. Every single draft, it feels like, oh, another player to North Carolina. This is on Bill. Bill's going to wear this and this will be his last stop. I can't imagine the Dolphins are going to go, hey, when we get rid of Mike McDaniel, why don't you just come down here and break Don Shula's all time victory record. I don't see that happening. But man, there's a lot of reporting going on with this, with Belichick, North Carolina and, but you know, the onus should not be on his girlfriend. Okay. I mean, she's acting like she's 24 years of age. She's acting like she's in charge. Bill has allowed this to happen. He allowed this to happen. You know, I can't imagine if he was coaching the Patriots, she would be on the sidelines. I can't imagine that she would be involved in an interview like this just never happened. So it's not just her. And I think she's getting, she's the focal point because we all have this, you know, same reaction of he's 73 and she's 24. But that's why I wonder where his priorities are. I truly do. I don't know if he wants to continue to be, you know, this mastermind, this great football coach. It just feels like something is missing there. Like his enthusiasm doesn't seem like it's pointed towards football. And everybody that he hired, his son is his defensive coordinator. He brought in Mike Lombardi. I mean, he brought in all the people. And plus, when you recruit, he recruited. So you bring in freshmen and you bring in transfers. So those are players that Bill is bringing in. 70 players he brought in not. I'm going to inherit Mack Brown's roster. If you said in North Carolina, hey, you want to do over, you want to keep Mack Brown? I think we know the answer to that. All right, we'll get to poll questions, we'll get your phone calls and we'll talk to Florio coming up. Also, the Cincinnati Bengals, you know when that or I should say the Browns, when the head coach doesn't realize that Joe Flacco is going to be traded. I don't know what that says about Kevin Stefanski, but he was like, ah, I was surprised we traded Joe. All right, Andrew Barry, the gm, pulled the trade off and then your head coach is like, okay, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it. And you got Flacco playing against the Green Bay packers again. He can be the second quarterback in NFL history, pro football history, to beat the same team in the same season while playing for two different teams. I'll give you the answer to that after this. Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. In the iHeartRadio app, he's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer, and we have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I Want yout Flex. Twice a week, every Tuesday and Friday, we come up with new episodes to not only look back at what happened, what you need to do at that.

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[Dan Patrick]

What's up everybody? This is Snax from the Trap Nerds Podcast and we're bringing you the Horror every week all October long. Kicking off this month, I'll be bringing you all my greatest fear inducing horror games from Resident Evil to Silent Hill. Me and Tony bringing backfireteam on Left 4 Dead 2 and we just gonna be going over some of the greats. Also in October we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figure out why black people always gotta die first.

[Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman]

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[Mike Florio]

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[Mike Florio]

Read and a commentary special.

[Dan Patrick]

And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Royale. Jason versus Freddy, Michael Myers versus the Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster. October, we're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Trapper Nurse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcast or you get your podcast before the commercial break. I said that Joe Flacco could become just the second quarterback since 1950 to start and win a game against the same opponent on two different teams in a single season. The only other quarterback to do it did it in 1962. This is really tough. So I don't know if, I mean, you'd have to be a really, really big fan of this football team or this quarterback because the only other quarterback to do that was Jack Kemp. He beat the Titans as a member of the Chargers and the bills. That was 1962. Stat of the Day. Stat of the day. Of the Day. Stat of the day. Here comes that. What Stat of the Day. Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards the Dan Patrick Show Mike Florio probably knew the answer. He knows all Pro Football Talk Live co host and contributor to Football Night in America and his latest novel, Big Shield. Definitely not about the NFL, but it's a tale of gambling the mob and pro football, but Definitely not the NFL. The ebook available on Amazon for only 99 cents. Good morning, Mike. How are you?

[Mike Florio]

Great. Dan, full disclosure, I had no idea the answer to that awesome stat of the day.

[Dan Patrick]

What does it say about the Browns and Kevin Stefanski that he had no idea that his backup quarterback was traded to the Bengals?

[Mike Florio]

I'm surprised he said it out loud because I feel like so much of what happens in Cleveland, they understand that in order to hold these jobs, they are at the whims of whatever the owner decides to do. And I think the owner has created destruction. Now, this is just my opinion. I think he's created a structure where it looks like there's a plan, it looks like there's a program, it looks like there's a formula for everything. But at the end of the day, it's just what the owner wants. And I think everyone's in tune with figuring out what the owner wants. And when the owner wants something, it happens. So doesn't surprise me at all. It doesn't surprise me they traded him. I mean, they benched him. They saved some money, they upgrade a draft pick and they move on from a guy that no longer fit into their plan. So they got something out of him. They have to be happy with this.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, given all the coverage with Belichick, with North Carolina, what's your number one question about this situation today?

[Mike Florio]

How much money changes hands and in which direction does it go when it finally ends? I feel like that's where this is headed. And those companion statements that came out at 9:36pm Eastern last night, like, if you hadn't been paying attention to all the reports that are out there and you just happened to open your Twitter and you're a North Carolina fan, you see that the, the next post since the one about Drake May that they were shamed into making on Monday is this statement that Bill Belichick's committed to the team. And then the statement from Bubba Cunningham, the AD team is committed to him. It's like, why are we doing this? It just legitimizes that there's this avalanche right now of reporting that they've made no effort to push back against, of dysfunction and deterioration and just flat out disintegration of the program. And I feel like that this is just the idea of, if I'm going to go, you're going to pay me to go. And from the team's perspective, if you're going to go, we're not going to pay you. And maybe you're going to pay part of your $1 million price tag to get out of here. And they're just, it feels like they're staking out what the end game and the dissolution of this is going to be.

[Dan Patrick]

How damaged is his NFL reputation?

[Mike Florio]

I don't think it affects anything he's.

[Dan Patrick]

Done in the NFL, I think, but, but future employment.

[Mike Florio]

Oh, well, let me just add this caveat in advance. We know that there are plenty of teams in the NFL that don't know what the hell they're doing. And it all comes from the owner. Dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things, as our friend Big Cat says. And I can't rule out an owner of a team that is chronically bad. And they've got a revolving door at the coaching position saying, what the hell? Nothing else we've tried has worked. Let's give it a shot. But here's the problem. How do you sell this Bill Belichick to a fan base and to the media that cover the team who's going to renew season tickets when they find out that this Bill Belichick is coming in to take over? I think that's the hardest thing from a football standpoint. What the hell, maybe he can recapture some magic from a business standpoint. I don't know how you, you help your bottom line by trotting out Bill Belichick post North Carolina, but could you.

[Dan Patrick]

See a scenario where the Dolphins bring him in if they fire Mike McDaniel, even though he would be trying to pass Don Shula's record in the all time victory list while being a Dolphins coach in the process?

[Mike Florio]

I think that's a practical impediment to getting the fans to buy in. That's the key. These guys, they act like they're obsessed with winning the Super Bowl. All we want to do is win the Super Bowl. We want to win the Super Bowl. Well, you know what? Only one team wins it, but they all win at the bank vault. And if you are going to make a hire that sabotages your ability to fill your stadium, you're, you're just asking for red ink in a business where there should be none. So I think that is the one factor that we need to keep in mind here. He will be received very differently wherever he would go next in the NFL than he would have been two years ago. Now, I won't rule out that there's some owner that's going to decide. I don't care. This is what I want to do. But I, I don't know who it would be And I think that whole Don Shula Bill Belichick feud would be a factor against him going to Miami.

[Dan Patrick]

But it feels like Mike McDaniel's already done in Miami.

[Mike Florio]

Oh, I agree with you. I agree with you. But that doesn't mean the replacement's going to be Bill Belichick. They need to find a middle ground between the Brian Flores Belichick type that couldn't get along with Tua Tonga by Loa and was kind of a hard charging taskmaster, and Mike McDaniel, who's everybody's buddy, and he's just really chill and he's authentic. Authentic works until you're piling up losses and you see this guy who seems to be unaffected by the fact that they're piling up losses. So they need to find someone in the middle. But this is what dysfunctional teams do. It doesn't work out with one coach. So the next guy we hire is the exact opposite from a personality standpoint. And they just. They just swing back and forth between those two types.

[Dan Patrick]

$250,000 for flipping somebody off for Jerry Jones. I'm always curious if the commissioner has a book, you know, like, he just goes over, opens his desk and goes, let me see. Got that. Flipping off fans250. Like, how did they come up with $250,000 for Jerry Jones?

[Mike Florio]

Well, 16 years ago, Bud Adams, the late founder of the Oilers, who were then the Titans, he got fined $250,000 for two of them. So I don't know if it's inflation, cost of living increase, but, Dan, here's. Here's my big takeaway. Beyond the fact that Jerry had the ridiculous idea I meant to give a thumbs up. And, you know, my. My hand has a life of its own, a mind of his own, and I gave the finger. But I think Jerry should say, you know what? Next time I'll just throw a drink on them, because that only cost $300,000 when David Tepper did it. That's a bargain in comparison. If I really. If I'm really upset, I'll just throw the drink and pay the extra 50 grand.

[Dan Patrick]

Dang. 250k. And then did the team. Jonathan Gannon got fined. Did the team do it or the NFL?

[Mike Florio]

The team did it, and the NFL was satisfied by it. And, you know, a lot of times what happens isn't. They don't come out and admit it. The league makes it clear to the team, you need to do something about this or we will. And I think it was appropriate. He crossed the line we're in an age where you can't put hands on your players. And he, he'd made contact with Amari Di Mercado multiple times, including kind of an aggressive slap to the arm as he walked away. So I think it was appropriate. The real question is, does the locker room accept his apology? Do they buy it? Did it seem sincere? Or was, was it a hostage video type of an apology that he had to make? And we'll see as soon as this weekend when it's time for them to play, we'll see what kind of performance he gets from his players.

[Dan Patrick]

So that Jerry Jones's middle finger is two and a half times worse than Jonathan Gannon's action, correct?

[Mike Florio]

Well, again, I don't know where the book is that tells them what to do. And we always hear that owners are held to a higher standard than players, and sometimes they are. Jerry Judy of the Browns did the double barrel middle finger to Ravens fans, and his fine was somewhere between 10 and 20,000 for that. So in this situation, they hold the owners to a higher standard. So I, I don't know, I just wonder like if, if Jonathan Gannon had messed with the wrong guy and we would have had a Latrell Spreewell situation on the sideline. I mean, it. That's the problem. There are certain guys in the NFL who aren't going to take what Amari D. Mercado received from Jonathan Gannon. So I think it's probably wise for coaches to not lay hands on these gladiators who are out there hitting people for a living.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Mike Florio and his novel Big Shield. It's about gambling, the mob, and a pro football league that is not the NFL. The ebook available at Amazon for only 99 cents. You know, the Mac Jones situation now, it's not surprising for me because Kyle Shanahan did like him going into that draft. And then you get him even though they don't have weapons. He's played really well. I don't want to go as far as to say, do they have a quarterback controversy? But if Mac Jones plays great again, I think six touchdowns and one interception, you know, could this be a quarterback controversy?

[Mike Florio]

Here's the big picture. And the 49ers were very wise, Dan, to sign Mac Jones not to a one year deal like they did with Sam Darnold. Two years with Mac Jones at around $8 million. The way that the Brock Purdy contract that was negotiated in the off season is structured, two years is what Purdy is guaranteed. And the 49ers have and they build this into all their contracts. A lot of teams, the next year becomes guaranteed right after the league year begins in the middle of March. The 49ers always demand until April 1st to make a decision. So they have until April 1st of 2027 to make a decision about Brock Purdy after the 26th season. Well, there's a lot of football to be played between now and the end of the 2026 season. By then, you know, a lot of times you think you have a problem, you have an issue. What are we going to do? The decision reveals itself in time. By the time we get to the end of the 2026 season, I think we'll know and they'll know which of the two guys is the long term play and they'll have a seamless way if they want to do it to pivot to Mac Jones and get away from the remainder of Brock Purdy's contract. That's the key. So for now they got both guys for the next two years and then they'll make a decision and you know, it'll be driven by health between now and then they can always play the 100% card where Brock Purdy plays. Only if he's 100%. Well, is he 100%? No, I've decided he's not. We're going to play Mac Jones. But hey, in a league where plenty of teams don't have one quarterback who can get it done, they're fortunate to have two. And I know they've had plenty of misadventures at the quarterback position, but they're in a good spot right now because they got two guys who can play. And I think we see how it plays out between now and week 18 in 2026. And I think by then they'll know and will know which of the two guys is the answer for the long haul.

[Dan Patrick]

Is John Harbaugh safe in Baltimore?

[Mike Florio]

Probably not. And it's been a long relationship and you know, he falls into that category of guy who would get fired if he gets fired or if he would resign or if it would be a mutual parting and he'd probably land somewhere else right away if he wanted to, like Andy Reid did, like Mike Tomlin would. You know, there's that, that 30% chunk of the Steelers fan base that is ready to fire Mike Tomlin anytime they lose two games in a row. There have been times over the years where it's felt like it's coming to an end between the Ravens and Harbaugh and it's always skewed toward him. Staying. This has got to be the biggest test of the relationship between the front office and Harbaugh that we've ever seen. As the roster disintegrates, the team can't win. They got embarrassed at home by the Texans over the weekend. A team that had never won in Baltimore went in there and blew them out. So there's going to be a lot of pressure in that owner coach relationship with the GM kind of caught in the middle, what's going to happen after this season. So I think there's a very real chance, based on what we've seen through five weeks, that that a mutual parting is what happens when the season ends.

[Dan Patrick]

Because it seems like we focused on Mike Tomlin's tenure in Pittsburgh and here they are just kind of quiet now. You know, they can't control what the other teams do or don't do any injuries. But, you know, I thought this might be the last year for Tomlin in Pittsburgh and maybe Aaron Rodgers, like, they were all in together for this one year, and then Aaron would go on his way and Mike Tomlin would go into tv. But here they are leading the division, and we have no other reason to think that they won't be there at the very end of the season.

[Mike Florio]

The last two weeks have been incredible for the Steelers. They beat the Vikings in Ireland, and the rest of the division has gone a combined.06. So here they are. And the Bengals, they're done. The Ravens seem to be done. And this is just a reminder. And look, I don't. I don't want to complain about the business that we've chosen, but we spend the off season talking about how the next season's going to go with this assumption that everyone's going to stay healthy. We know guys are going to get injured. It's bad form to say, well, this guy could get injured, that guy could get injured, but we know it's going to happen. Five weeks to the day since the regular season began, the Ravens and the Bengals have been decimated. For the Bengals, all it took was one guy. For the Ravens, it's a bunch of guys, but it changes everything. And here are the Steelers at 3 and 1, and they're sitting pretty and it's working. They finally had a game where both the offense and the defense showed up at the same time, and they got that win. They stole one from the Patriots. They shouldn't have won, but here they are. And yeah, that's, you know, as a wise man once said, it's where they play the games. And that's part of the fun of it. Because right now, Dan, who's the best team in the afc? I really don't know the answer to that question.

[Dan Patrick]

Is there a chance that DeSean Watson plays again well for the Browns this year?

[Mike Florio]

Probably not. There's a subtext where he's trying to get healthy and at some point he shows up with a doctor slip saying this man is cleared to play football. And the Browns have to make a decision. They're not going to cut him because that would trigger a $135 million dead cap charge next year. They're trying to ride out this contract because they structured it so the bigger cap hits come later when the cap is higher. But. But the other thing to keep in mind, there's an insurance policy that covers him for this year. If he plays, that insurance policy becomes jeopardized. I don't know how much they would lose by way of the money they get for the insurance they had against injury. It gets a little complicated. I think they'd like to finesse it. So he's on the team and he's around, but he's not on the roster and we'll see if it comes to that. But there's. There's other business issues that go into this calculation. But at this point, I don't think there's any Browns fan that is curious to see what DeSean Watson can do on the football field. They're ready to move on from him, but the reality is he's most likely going to be on the team through 2026.

[Dan Patrick]

Have you ever done a list of the worst decisions made in NFL history? Like if I said the Browns moved on from Baker Mayfield and now he's an MVP candidate in Tampa, and then you go all in and sign Deshaun Watson. Has there been a decision that has been worse than that in NFL history?

[Mike Florio]

No. No. And I've said before, without the Baker Mayfield angle, the Deshaun Watson contract and trade is the single worst transaction in NFL history because it's the combination of. And we get caught up in the money. 230 million fully guaranteed. It's easy to lose sight of the three first round picks and multiple other picks that were sent to Houston. Those are affordable young players who become the nucleus of your team if you use the picks right. They've lost all those guys. And so the fact that they're even able to win a game, the fact that they went to the playoffs two years ago is remarkable given what they gave up. To get Deshaun Watson. So they gave up a lot. They've paid him a lot. They've got nothing in return. Yes, I believe firmly that, that if there was a list, I don't know what number two would be, but number one would be the DeSean Watson acquisition by the Browns.

[Dan Patrick]

But what about the Herschel Walker trade?

[Mike Florio]

That would be. That's probably number two. That's probably number two.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

Right?

[Dan Patrick]

Number two, Ricky Williams with the Saints is, is that up? They gave up all their draft picks and Mike Ditka wanted to go play golf and so take that's in there.

[Mike Florio]

That's in there now. Now back in those days again, the, the draft picks made a lot more money relative to what they make now. The important thing to Remember now since 2011 they have configured the rookie pay system so that those guys are cheap and you have them for four years. If it's a first round pick, you have them for five years and that's how you manage a team where you pay a few guys market value. The guts of your team are these young guys that you have gotten for peanuts in comparison to what it costs to get a veteran.

[Dan Patrick]

Great stuff as always, Mike. Have a great weekend. Thanks for joining us, buddy.

[Mike Florio]

Thanks, Dan. Good talking to you.

[Dan Patrick]

Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk, that's the show that precedes ours and his website, Pro Football talk must read every single morning. His latest novel big Shield is available ebook at Amazon for only 99 cents. We'll take a break. Our play of the day is up next and your phone calls right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

[Mike Florio]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on burn sage, burn bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

[Dan Patrick]

It was a huge honor to become.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

A television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric. That this is something we've been doing for Hundreds of years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence. That's Sierra Teller Ornelas, who, with Rutherford Falls, became the first Native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native Comic Con or the importance of Reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman]

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential. I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face when you think about emotion, Reg. Like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to just say, like, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just, like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

But the humility in knowing that life is this classroom that we should never graduate from is what is going to keep you growing. And that's all that matters. World Mental Health Day is around the corner. And on my podcast, just heal with Dr. J, I dive into what it.

[Mike Florio]

Really means to care for your mind, body and spirit.

[Dan Patrick]

From breaking generational patterns to building emotional capacity, healing is a journey, and wholeness is the destination.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

I'm gonna walk away feeling very healed and feeling like, yes, I'm gonna continue.

[Mike Florio]

My healing journey and I'm gonna get.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

Some keys from you.

[Dan Patrick]

Listen to just heal with Dr. J.

[Mike Florio]

From the Black Effect Podcast Network on.

[Dan Patrick]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

[Mike Florio]

You get your podcasts.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part. When you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt and it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh my God. The play of the day. This is the play of the day.

[Mike Florio]

Check this out.

[Dan Patrick]

He's from the right side. That ball's great. Deep to right field. Hernandez doesn't even move. It is long gone. It's off the roof of the pavilion in right field. Kyle Schwaber, his first postseason home run of the year. It's his 22nd of his career. And with a lightning strike, the Phillies tie it up at one. Courtesy of the Phillies Radio Network. Schwarber hit two bombs. That one went 455ft, the longest home run of the postseason. And he is just the second player to clear the right field pavilion in Dodgers Stadium. Willie Stargell did it twice. So Schwaber now 23 career postseason home runs. That's third most all time and they needed it. A terrible outing for Clayton Kershaw there and the Phillies are still in. This play of the day. Brought to you by Tire rack. For over 40 years they've been doing it, helping us get the right tires for how and what and where we drive ship fast and free. Backed by free road hazard protection. Convenient installation options like mobile tire installation. Tire rack.com the way tire buying should be Joe in Sacramento hi Joe. What do you have for me today? Hey, what's going on Dan? First time, long time. 511175.

[Mike Florio]

I just wanted to call to.

[Dan Patrick]

Talk about the Dodgers game last night. I'm a longtime Dodgers fan and I just felt like it was super disrespectful for Dave Roberts to bring Kershaw back out in the eighth inning and really just kind of have him fall on the sword for. For the game. You know, he didn't really have the cleanest seventh inning.

[Mike Florio]

He didn't even record a strikeout.

[Dan Patrick]

He got out of that, pretty much got free.

[Mike Florio]

But the fact that he brought him back in the eighth inning, we're only down two runs.

[Dan Patrick]

Suarez was coming out of the game. We had our heart of the inning. It really just felt like Roberts was playing for today, essentially for. For the next game. And it was just one of those things where, you know, Kurtz Oz, this is his last season. He had a great outing against the Giants in his last start at home. And you just hope that this isn't the last time that we see Clayton.

[Mike Florio]

Kershaw pitch at Dodger Stadium.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

So.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, and, Joe, I. Look, I understand your fandom, but I can't be worried about Clayton's feelings. He didn't have it. I don't like him coming in in relief. I think it's a different mindset when you come in and relief as opposed to when you start a game. But I hope that's not the last time we see him either. But, you know, it goes back to. And I. And I told you about this over the summer when I ran into somebody who was part of the Astros organization, and he told me that they were picking up Clayton Kershaw's pitches. He was tipping by how he put his hand in his glove. They knew that it was either going to be curveball or it's going to be a fastball. And now he could have been saying that to say, hey, we didn't cheat by, you know, using garbage cans or anything. He did acknowledge that they did do that, but he said we were. Clayton was chipping his pitches. I'm assuming that that has been remedied. But, man, if. If you're going to tell me that Schwaber didn't know what was coming, I would be surprised, because when you sit on a pitch like that, you know what's coming. Larry in Austin. Hi, Larry. What's on your mind? Well, Dan, since the previous caller stole.

[Mike Florio]

My thunder, let me just switch to plan B.

[Dan Patrick]

A couple of weeks ago or a few years ago, you guys were talking.

[Mike Florio]

About sports nicknames, and I just like.

[Dan Patrick]

To throw in my personal favorite, and.

[Mike Florio]

That'S Mike Hargrove, who played for and managed Cleveland. When he played, he was known as.

[Dan Patrick]

The Human Rain Delay, and I think that's a pretty good nickname. All right, well, thank you, Larry. Yeah. Because he took forever when he was in the box. That's when, you know, that was before guys were, you know, stepping in or stepping out and adjusting our gloves and all that. He just took forever. Yeah. See that guy kind of sound like Jerry west, like the tone of his voice.

[Mike Florio]

He had a little bit of that in there.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Monica in Raleigh. Hi, Monica. What's on your mind today?

[Mike Florio]

Hi, Dan and Dannets.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

Love to see you. 53135 second time, long time. I just wanted to comment on Bill.

[Dan Patrick]

Belichick and chime in on that.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

Man, we're just ready for basketball season. As a Carolina fan, I was. I was sitting in airport Chili's in Dallas and watching the Clemson game, and it was 43 to 10. And then the last quarter with one minute left, he called two timeouts and they had to switch coverage. It was insane. And then also the comment with Mike Florio's interview about him going to the Dolphins. We tried that with Nick Saban.

[Mike Florio]

I'm also a Dolphins fan, so I don't care for that either. I just want. He.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

He needs to just go retire on.

[Mike Florio]

Your laurels with the good team that you had.

[Dan Patrick]

Would you be fine if North Carolina did become a football school instead of a basketball school?

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

Absolutely. I would love to be a Texas University or an Alabama or one of those relevant schools that has relevant programs in both. However, North Carolina perennially is the wine.

[Mike Florio]

And cheese crowd, so we get basketball.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Monica. At least you have a great disposition. Bucky in Illinois. Hi, Bucky.

[Mike Florio]

Hey, good morning.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, good morning, Dan. I was mean. I was needing your help.

[Mike Florio]

I'm needing. I'm wanting to start a rumor, and.

[Dan Patrick]

That rumor be the Yankees swipe away.

[Mike Florio]

Don Mattingly, and he's the new Yankee head coach. Hopefully that could help get that man.

[Dan Patrick]

Into the hall of Fame. We all know know he deserves it, but.

[Mike Florio]

Yeah, I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on that.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Is. Is Donnie still with the Blue Jays as a hitting coach or bench coach? I think that sounds right. Marvin. Yes, he's still with the Blue Jays. Okay. Yeah, I. I think there was the thought of that a while ago, and then he didn't get the job. He had the Marlins job and the Dodgers job, but I don't know if those days are. Are gone for him. I don't know if he wants to do that or if he'd even get the opportunity with the Yankees. Yes. Marvin, if Matlie won a World Series, is he in the hall of Fame? It'd be. I think now, I think it would be close if he was there that last year, that first year they won the World Series and then he had retired, I and if he played a role, a large role in that, then yes, they might be. Might be. And having been there in New York to witness that, I mean, he was a great player, great, great fielder as well. When it used to matter when we bring up those things that he was a really good fielder as well. But man, I could hit. Coming up next hour, Ross Tucker. He'll get us ready for the Eagles and Giants Thursday Night Football. This is Jonas Knox from two pros and a cup of Joe. And on Fox one now you can stream your favorite live sports so you can be there live for the biggest moments. That means NFL Sundays, college football games, NASCAR, MLB Postse and more with Fox 1. You'll get it all live. Edge of your seat plays jaw dropping, high octane moments and that feeling like you're right there in the action. Fox One, we live for live streaming now.

[Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman]

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about how to be a better you. When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Complex problem solving takes effort. Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No, thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week I your host, Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel you, sis. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace. I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan Patrick]

What's up everybody? It's snacks from the trap nerds. It's all October long. We're bringing you the horror. Boogity, boogity boogity. We kicking off this month with some of my best horror games to keep you terrified. Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out.

[Mike Florio]

Why black people always out. And it's the return of Tony's horror show side quests written and narrated by yours truly. We'll also be doing a full episode reading with commentary.

[Dan Patrick]

And we'll cap it off with a horror movie battle Royale. Open your free iHeartRadio app and search Trapped Nerds Podcast and listen. Now.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

It may look different, but Native culture is alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges we aim to explore that culture.

[Mike Florio]

Somewhere along the way, a turn turned.

[Dan Patrick]

Into this full fledged award winning comic shop.

[Nicole Garcia / Mandy Money]

That's Dr. Lee Francis IV who opened the first Native comic book shop. Explore his story along with many other Native stories on the show Burn Sage, Burn Bridges. Listen to Burn Sage Burn bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.