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Prime Video January 8th. Watch the trailer on trainergames.com Two pros, a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you in for the Dan Patrick show on this New Year's Eve edition. And we are talking college football. It's officially bowl season. We're going to have another edition of Quinn's WINS getting you set for the college football playoffs. We're going to talk about one guy recommitting to a blue blood program like we've never seen before. John Calipari's got some thoughts on a major issue in the world of sports. The old Pete, Petra Spobet Aikis is going to stop by and we got the usual fun stuff. It's all yours. Coming up next here, two pros and a cup of Joe in for the Dan Patrick show, final one of the year for 2025 right here on Fox Sports Radio. And away we go. It is the Dan Patrick show here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you.
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Brady Quinn
What up?
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Jonas Knox
What up? You can listen to us as always on the iHeartRadio app and you can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. If you're on the podcast right now, we appreciate you making us a part of your podcast listening day. And if you're not familiar, you can hear us Monday through Friday before the dan Patrick show 6 to 9am Eastern time. We are two pros and a cup of joe but in for DP and the guys here. And by the way, check out our brand new YouTube channel for the show. Just search 2Pros FSR on YouTube again, that's 2Pros FSR. Be sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there. Hit the thumbs up icon and comment away. Let us know who on the show you agree with, who you think is wrong. But check out our new channel on YouTube again. Just search 2 pros FSR and subscribe. What up, Sticks?
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LaVar Arrington
Good morning, man. Good morning. How you doing?
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Jonas Knox
We are good. We are.
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Patrick Suica
He's all professional today. All professional.
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Jonas Knox
That's.
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LaVar Arrington
What are you talking.
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Patrick Suica
You know, you weren't about.
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LaVar Arrington
You aren't all professional, I'll tell you that.
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Patrick Suica
I mean, I don't know what that means. I don't pay attention to social media.
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LaVar Arrington
God, leave. What's going on on my timeline yesterday? I don't know, bro. I felt like there was a clashing of cultures on my very timeline yesterday. I don't even get it.
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Patrick Suica
Cultures?
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Jonas Knox
What happened? Ye.
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LaVar Arrington
What are you talking About, I don't know, man. It was like. It was two pros versus up one game, and I was in the middle of it.
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Jonas Knox
I mean, you got to pick.
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Patrick Suica
Here's the thing about lavar, too. Since Lavar's got his Saturday morning show, he will try to be like, hey, whoosh. Why do you go out and reach out about something? And the interesting thing about it was he couldn't have listened to the clip because what he said clearly meant he didn't. Like, if you listen to it, it literally answered his question in it, which is one of the reasons why other people started to jump on him after that.
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LaVar Arrington
I get stressed out on stuff like that. I did not. I did not facilitate that. I did not instigate that. In fact, I did not even look at it. I just saw. I put. I saw you responded. I saw he wrote something. I put popcorn on one. I put eyes on one. And I said it was two pros versus up on uog, and that was it. I was out.
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Jonas Knox
So for the people that aren't familiar, we're referring to Lincoln Riley, basically putting the blame on Notre Dame for the canceling of the Notre Dame USC rivalry. Brady responded yesterday.
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LaVar Arrington
And then, well, we posted it on social media. There was the social media clip of Brady giving his opinions on it, and people started weighing in on it. And one of the persons was T.J. hoochmanzada, who I work with on the weekends for up on Gay.
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Patrick Suica
And here's the thing is it's.
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Jonas Knox
It's no.
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Patrick Suica
There's no disrespect that comes with it. I think oftentimes on social media. That's the problem is we don't have the opportunity to talk to people face to face and all that. But when you kind of go, I don't have a dog in the fight, but you want to weigh in, it's like, well, why don't you sit this one out? Then it's like, what the. What's the point of weighing in if you don't have a dog in the fight? And my whole thing with this entire scenario is to look at how much traction it's gotten. And this isn't like my words or anything. I'm just saying that's how much this robbery has meant to two fan bases. That's how much this rivalry has meant to college football, really, in sports and the history behind it and everything else. So I've said what I've said on it. I'm sure people are tired of hearing it, but you don't have to look any further than last night's game if you're an SC fan of just disappointment in who your head coach is and his lack of being able to deliver, but give him credit for playing the game. Notre Dame's not playing a bowl game. They opted out. So you can only say so much as a Notre Dame fan in that sense. But I would just generally say this. The reaction, the traction, in a way, it's kind of carried the bowl season conversation up until these, you know, quarterfinal games now. But that's how much the rivalry's meant and that's how much it's meant to college football. So it kind of goes to show you, like, even people who don't have a dog in the fight necessarily want to weigh in on it because it's that big of a subject.
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Brady Quinn
Yeah.
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Jonas Knox
But it is bowl season, and I thought last night was really the first. I mean, we've had some bowl games. I mean, the star of the show has been the Hawaii Bowl. You guys both know that. I mean, that goes unsaid. But last night we got Illinois, Brett Bielema getting it done. That's a nine win Illinois team. They went on a field goal. Then you get to the TCU USC game, which goes into overtime. Just, you know, piss poor tackling towards the end results in a touchdown. It just felt like all of that was the prelude to the college football play playoff, which kicks off later on tonight between Miami and Ohio State. So it does feel like we're. We're officially here. It is bowl season and. And we are off and running here, getting ready for this college football playoff.
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LaVar Arrington
There you go. Yeah. Yeah.
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Patrick Suica
I was gonna say, var. I don't know how you look at bowl season up to this point, but I think one of the things that we always hear throughout the course of the year is which conference is the top of college football. And with as many teams that are always ranked in the top 25 and as many teams that make the playoff, I think there's what, five from the SEC this year? It always feels like the SEC does a better job of marketing their conference and putting out this idea that they're better than the rest. And at this current moment, the SEC's 2 and 5 in bowl games, the Big Ten 6 and 1. Their only loss being Southern Cal last night. Shocking. But this is a trend, by the way, that has been the case over the last five years. With the exception of one year, the Big Ten has been better than the SEC in the postseason. This is an opinion. This is factual. Go back to last year. The SEC was 8 and 7 in bowl games and this includes the playoffs. Big Ten was 11 and 6. 2023. SEC was 5 and 4. Little tighter. Big Ten was 6 and 4. The only year the SEC in the last five years has been better than the Big Ten was 2022 when they went 7 and 5 in bowl games. The year before that SEC was 6 and 8. Big Ten was 6 and 4. I mean, so you can clearly see by just the number of teams that are getting in between the two conferences that the SEC is viewed and looked at as the better conference. But there's also the element of how they've scheduled through those years. Like next year is going to be the first year. They have nine conference games. It's only played eight usually. So if you think about to get a bull eligible, you have to win six games. They've got four games which we all know how the SEC schedules in October, November with some of those FCS cupcakes and then a couple other lighter games, directional schools to get into their actual conference schedule. I mean, so if you really think about like up to this point and every single year, I feel like we do this. We look at the difference conference in college football, say, well, what's the top conference? Who's the best? Well, we don't always get the chance to play each other. You do in bowl season. And the Big Ten has been better than the sec.
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LaVar Arrington
Yeah, I think the SEC might win the national this year. But with that being said, it's factual information. It has been the Big Ten that's, that's doing better in the bowl games. Not my words, your words. And, and listen, I, I love the, you know, the competition of it all. The almost like the rivalry of it all that's being created between the Big Ten and, and the sec. But it plays out. It plays out and in these games that are upcoming. And yeah, I'm super excited to be able to watch them in the friendly confines of my crib. I got all my kids here like for the first time in like, I don't know, like forever, like two, two years or so. So yeah, I'm excited to see the games, man. I'll probably watch them. What a other host of cool people that, that come through to bring the new year in. But yeah, man, I think, I think when you, you look at it where, where we are right now, this is as exciting a moment in college football as, as it, I mean to me now, I don't know that this is factual. This is obviously opinion. But I think the buildup is because it seems like it took forever for us to get here, like get the game. Last night it was like, yeah, I've just watched the game so far outside of the first round of the playoffs. And they, you know, outside of like what, maybe one game, they were kind of as expected, went to kind of the way that, that you would have hoped it did it, but you knew it would. And so, you know, now, now we get down to business. Now we get down to the nitty gritty. And I feel like with, with what NIL has created because I'm not just looking at these teams anymore as, okay, you're coming in, you're playing the game. I'm looking at how strong is your dollar. This is like stock market game too. This isn't just, okay, how well did you recruit and how well are you coaching? This is how far is your dollar stretching? And that's interesting because that's a new wrinkle on, on how I'm watching college football.
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Jonas Knox
So you're looking at the big spenders. Like, what do mean?
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LaVar Arrington
Are they going to. The big spenders won last year, right? Big bank take little bank. They made a song about it, you know.
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Patrick Suica
Well, I think to that point, like Texas Tech is the one that's rumored to be the biggest spender this year. Cody Campbell, their billionaire, who's kind of come to the rescue of Texas Tech sports. And he's been very outspoken about where the state of the game is at and has talked about the things he would do to change it to make it better to a more professionalized model. But that's neither here nor there. The point is he's put in so much money that I feel like when you look at, for example, Kenny Dillingham, who decided to stay at Arizona State, what was one of the first things he talked about, you know, some rich alum stroking a $20 million check because he's looking within this conference and saying, we don't have a Cody Campbell at Arizona State and we can't compete if we don't have that. Given the certain rules that, that all teams are playing under. And that is you've got your rev share that's coming from the TV distribution rights. But that's not enough. As long as the NCAA allows for collectives to exist, there's always going to be imbalances. And that's where you kind of find yourself where a Texas Tech team who I think the high water mark for Joey McGuire, their head coach during his tenures was eight wins until Cody Campbell invested in this roster, completely revamped their defensive front. You're going to see that tomorrow versus Oregon. Romello Heights is a stud off the Ed. David Bailey, he was the most expensive edge rusher in the Porter out of Stanford. And even the interior players are really good. But that investment has led to them now winning the Big 12 and getting a buy and now, you know, being the number four team in the country with a chance to legitimately compete for a national championship. Ohio State, the year before it was that, the year before that it was Michigan, you know, those were all the teams to be rumored to be having the most money, the biggest spend. And so to your point, Lavar, like, we'll see if it plays out where, you know, they indeed do end up winning it all. And we're going to see every single program. So you want to win one?
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LaVar Arrington
Well, you can buy it, put the money into it.
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Patrick Suica
You got to put the money up.
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LaVar Arrington
Yeah, yeah. And, and I'm okay with it. If that's what it is. That's what it is. So let's, let's, let's have it. You know, let's see. Let's see where it goes. I mean, I'm, I'm interested because Ohio State, like you said, everybody's gotten it. So let's see if it happens this year. It's Texas Tech, the team.
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Let's see.
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LaVar Arrington
Yeah.
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Patrick Suica
And I think if we're being honest with ourselves, like going back to the conversation about the SEC and Big Ten, like, two of the SEC's wins are in the playoffs. Actually, the only two wins, one in which they played it themselves, Alabama versus Oklahoma, and the other one was a layup in Ole Miss playing Tulane. So when you look at even the success that the SEC has had so far, it's really just been the amount of teams have gotten in the playoff, which is afforded them to be talked about at this point.
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Jonas Knox
Who controls that? I mean, who controls which SEC teams get into the playoffs?
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Patrick Suica
Well, ESPN and the whole playoff. But the general point is the illusion that we even need to have a debate between the SEC and Big Ten. Like, if you really look at it, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, Bama, like those four teams are consistently in it. I don't know that you can say any other program is as consistently in as those four. And it's kind of those four really competing for at least in recent history since the expansion playoff. And what are the. All four of those schools have. They have deep pockets, they have money, and, and they're Spending it on their rosters. You know, you won't find one that's more expensive than Ohio State, Oregon. You know, we talked about Texas Tech this year, but that hasn't been the past and we'll see if it plays out in the playoffs. But if I had my bet, I bet one of those four teams wins the national championship from seeing them up close, you know, you know, in person, all four of those teams look different. They've got the size, the depth, the speed and they've got, you know, everything that they kind of need to put together as far as their staffs that they've got in the support system. You know, one of those four teams is probably going to win it all this year.
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Jonas Knox
And then we get the rematch of, you know, the 2003 classic between Miami and Ohio State, which gets the College Football Playoff kicked off later on tonight at 7:30 Eastern Time. And I know that people look at just sort of this whole landscape of things and they're like, well, you know, these, these are the bowl games and it's the playoff. I do think Dan Lanning's point about the fact that Texas Tech should have a home game, but they don't have a home game. I don't know how you, if this is a product of when you get 16 teams in, you're going to get, you know, a bi week advantage into a home game, but it just feels like this is where we are. There's still some things they've got to iron out with the whole College Football Playoff. It's going to look different like it did from last year to this year and then this year, probably to next year, next year. But it does feel like those teams yet again. Yeah, you get that bye week, but the fact that you're playing on a neutral site, even you're an opposing coach, is defending the team who's the higher ranked team and says, listen man, they should. This, this game should be played in. L like the fact that we're not there. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Patrick Suica
As an Orange Bull committee member, I am very, I feel very disrespected by those comments from Dan Lanning. So let me tell you, I'm not, I'm not taking that very well. So I hate to hear that. But I understand the desire for it. I mean, they obviously hosted a home playoff game versus James Madison, so he knows what that's like. And it's unfortunate for Texas Tech that they don't get to experience that even though they get to buy and they get the Additional monies that come with that to go to the next round. They don't get to feel what that feels like. I think if you look at where this sport is at, where it's creeping slowly towards a professional model. We already have a model that's in the NFL level that I think everyone likes the playoff format and likes the fact that you do get home field advantage when you're the top seeded team. You do get home field advantage if you win your division. There's elements to all of that. The hard part is we've got a committee that's going to be deciding that. So there's always going to be some subjectivity to it. There's going to be people who are frustrated with the process of how they go about picking those games and which teams make it, which teams don't. We're just not, not quite to that format. But I don't disagree that if you really take a step back, look at any tournament format where there's sudden death and you only play one game, it doesn't play to the advantage of those teams that play the best in the regular season. I mean, look at college basketball. You don't get home court advantage in the tournament and outside of the opening round, that's all you get. Then you're playing on these neutral site games. So I understand the point he's making, but I also don't feel like we're at point a certain spot right now in college football to be able to make the changes necessary to get to the point where we've got 16 teams playing in it and we can start, you know, having more of those home playoff games and we don't feel like teams don't deserve a buy. You know, I don't even know, do you guys feel like a team deserves a buy based on what they've done in the regular season so far?
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LaVar Arrington
I can see why they would structure it that way. It just, just because of the amount of teams. But I think, you know, the playoffs are the playoffs. If you make it into the playoffs, let's play. You know, I get it though. If you play well enough and you're highly ranked and you're rated based off of the numbers, I would say I don't have a problem with a bye week. I really don't. You know, but that could work to your advantage. But it could also work to your disadvantage. I mean, obviously the clear and easy is you get healthy, you, you have time to prepare, you can prepare for both teams, even though you don't know which one you're going to play. I think there is an advantage to having a bye week, but I don't know that for certain. I don't, I don't know that you have this distinct advantage going into it just because of the amount of time you have off versus the time that the other team had off.
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Jonas Knox
I also think that there's, there's, in college football, there's a, you're conditioned to complain. It just is what it is. Like, like no matter what, people are just going to have a bitch about something. And if you really want to go through the list of playoff formats and other sports, I mean, look, look at the NFL. We talked about it a lot last year. The fact that the NFC south team, whoever wins the NFC south is going to host a playoff game is absurd over a team. And it happened a couple of times last year, the NBA playoffs. We don't need seven game series to open up every round. Like every playoff format has flaws, but in college football, everybody harps on what there isn't. As opposed to, dude, we've got a playoff. Like this is the, this is the best you could possibly get. You're no longer having it voted on. You're not having split champions, you're not having just four teams in. You've got teams in. You gave opportunities to the little guys, didn't go well for them. But now we're here and now you've got name brands. And I think that's why I would rather watch and enjoy what we've got, knowing it's going to change last year just like it did this past year. It's flawed, but so is every other playoff format in sports. You can find something wrong with anything if you wanted to.
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Patrick Suica
That's true. And I do think it's funny that after one year we're, we were like up in arms about how it went and we couldn't wait for like two or three years to play out of this 12 team playoff format. So we have to keep tweaking it constantly, which we'll see where it ends up going. I mean, I think 16 sounds like a good number. I hope it gets to that number and that way we can avoid the buys and also just the lag in between. But I do think if you get to 16 and you're talking about having more first round games, you are going to have to change up the college football schedule a bit in regards to when it starts and when these first round playoff games start, adding a couple more in there. But also just, I think it takes away from the bull season. And I've said this before, edge of season. As much as we want to keep looking at the bowl season as a reward for players, it's just not how it works anymore. Look how many players were sitting out for Illinois, you know, versus Tennessee and Tennessee for that matter. You know, look at the situation that SC is in. Danton, Lynn's already at Penn State. He's not coaching their defense and it's their defense that ends up getting their backs broken on a third and 20 in overtime. And now granted, that's more technique and fundamentals, not tackling, but still, you know, you look at how that game ends and it's defensively, the struggles and they had a number of players who opted out too. So I just, I look at that portion of it and I wonder the impact of having 16 teams and if we do start playing these games a little bit sooner, how it would impact the rest of the bowl season. If those shouldn't be just moved to the front of the season for neutral site, non conference games in general. I think they would survive and probably last a lot longer if that was the case.
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LaVar Arrington
I was about to say, I hate to do it because I know you're on a committee, but I think this college playoff, as it continues to evolve, is the death of, of bowls. I really do. Outside of the bowls that exist within the playoff, which is, I don't. How long will that last? You know, how long will the bowl games that represent the, the playoff, how long will it be the Rose bowl.
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Jonas Knox
Or Cotton bowl or what do you got against the Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl? What's wrong with you?
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LaVar Arrington
I don't have anything, but I think what Q said is, is correct. And, and here's what you got to think about. You know, I know we had the big conversation about Notre Dame opting out playing the game all together, but if I have Penn State had, I believe, 15 or so guys and, and most all of those guys who opted out are preparing for the, the combine and NFL draft. Now, how many will get drafted? I don't know. But you're talking about basically the nucleus of your team. And while I'm okay with saying, oh, you know, go play it, let, let the younger guys get an opportunity to play for one. I don't look at those as legitimate victories for one or legitimate losses for two. It's not as interesting. It's just not. It's not as interesting. It seems very, very. I don't know, it's. It just seems like it's, it's an exhibition, which obviously that is what, you know what bowl games are, but it just doesn't have the same type of emotional connection to it. Like if you're watching the Orange bowl, you knew what it was. If you knew, you know, if you were watching the Rose bowl, you knew that it was going to be the Pack versus the Big Ten. You, you just knew what, that you were going to get a pretty interesting matchup within those bowl games. And now you got to ask yourself, is it worth it as a school, is it worth it financially to do a bowl game? And if it's not one of those big high end bowl games, is it worth it to do a bowl game? Because it's going to cost to go do it. You got to pay for, for hotel rooms, you gotta, you gotta pay for transportation, you got to do all of these that you got, got to pay for food, you got to do all these things that, that bring cost and expenses to your, to your university. How much is that is offset by the amount you're going to receive going to the bowl game.
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Jonas Knox
So the people that are putting the bowl game on aren't taking care of your travel and your, your food and all that stuff. That's all.
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LaVar Arrington
What I'm telling you is within the expenses of what it takes to do those games. They're paying, you're getting paid your money, but how much overhead is there that's going to eat into that money? And why would you, why would you do the game? Why would you do the game if you know, you don't have 10, 15 of your players that play? It's like you take all of those combinations and you put them together. I just don't. Why would you want to do it?
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Jonas Knox
Yeah, yeah. You know what?
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LaVar Arrington
Notre Dame might have opened up, up Pandora's box, man. There might be a lot of teams that come out and be like, man, like, oh, Notre Dame had a great, they had a great thought on that. Like, if we don't make it into the playoff, like, let's just get ready for next year.
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Patrick Suica
But here's, here's the unique scenario for Notre Dame for that. I mean, I, I've said this before. Back in 2004, when we went 6 and 5, Ty Willingham got fired. You know, a lot of the conversation from our upperclassmen back then was, hey, if it's not a BCS or playing for the national championship, obviously, like, we don't go. And I and a lot of the younger guys were like, hey, you know, we got a young group. We Want to keep trying to practice. We want to keep doing this. That was our argument, and we took a team vote. Dude, we were 60, 40. And what I quickly realized when we got out there was even though we had an amazing time in Scottsdale, Arizona, like, I love that place. I think it's so much fun. It was a lot of fun. And it wasn't. There was not a lot of seriousness taken to the approach for the game. And that was by the players and coach and coaches because the coaches were looking for new, new jobs and players were having fun at night. You know, you get to get those boys outside of South Bend, Indiana, man, things. Things get wild. So, Hammers, I would. I would say this. You know, I'm not for opting out of bowl games. I think each team has to make their own individual decision. But for Notre Dame, it's unique because that's all you're playing for every year. You don't have a conference championship, you know, you don't have those things that are set for you as goals, you know, now let's get to the playoff and go win a national championship. So when that's not there for you anymore, there's obviously other things to consider. And I think.
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LaVar Arrington
Don't you think other teams will look at it that way? Like, if we didn't.
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Patrick Suica
I do.
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LaVar Arrington
I don't. I don't want it like this is so this season.
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Patrick Suica
And I think they have. That's why, you know, Iowa State, there's others that opted out. Now, granted, some of those schools had, you know, had coaching changes and things that played a role in that. And that's kind of, again, where I kind of can relate to that. But that's why each, like, we shouldn't look down on. Upon the team or players for making that decision, you know, because that became a big talking piece for a lot of people when I think each team's got their own reason for what they're doing and why they're doing it. But to your point, I do think the rest of these bowl games need to start thinking creativity, you know, creatively, about where. Where can we exist, you know, in the future? I think the New Year's six are fine. It's just going to be the rest that aren't a part of the College Football Playoff. They have to figure out a place to live.
- [29:02]
LaVar Arrington
Yeah, the dumpster.
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Jonas Knox
Can we.
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LaVar Arrington
Be somewhere else?
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Jonas Knox
Can we continue this conversation? Because I do. I do think there's. There's more to it on the back side of this here as we are. Lavar Arrington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas. Damn right that red light.
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Patrick Suica
Got that red light therapy, baby.
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Jonas Knox
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Patrick Suica
Paulie Fusco here with Tony Fusco.
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Jonas Knox
Yo, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award winning Paulie and Tony Fusco show. Yeah.
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Patrick Suica
But instead of us telling you how great we are, here's how Dan Patrick.
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Jonas Knox
Is described us when he came on our show. Quick, knowledgeable and funny, opinionated, blah blah, blah, blah blah.
- [31:48]
Patrick Suica
What are you doing? You're interrupting our promo.
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Brady Quinn
Yeah, he wasn't talking about you. You took those clips totally out of context.
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Jonas Knox
Oh yeah? Well, after this promo, I'm going to take you out and beat you. Let me put this into context. Shut up.
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Anyway, just listen to the Paulie and Tony Fusco show on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Yay.
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LaVar Arrington
Look funny but yo I'm making money.
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Jonas Knox
What up stick?
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I hope you're ready for me. So gather round. Jonas is the new kid in town and it sounds laid down by the underground. My name is Q so let me to introduce myself.
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Jonas Knox
Pronounced with the umpty, it is two pros and a cup of Joe. Filling in for the Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Lavar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. We are going to have another edition of in case you missed it, something we do on our Monday through Friday show coming up here in about 12 minutes from now. But right now it is time for the tire rack play of the day.
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Patrick Suica
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Jonas Knox
Is he in bounds?
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Patrick Suica
Let's see. Signal is touchdown. Ken seals the deal here tonight and the Horn Frogs have found the magic against USC One more time.
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Jonas Knox
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- [38:29]
LaVar Arrington
I think that's a good point. Yeah. I would just say. I would say for me, I didn't opt out.
- [38:35]
Jonas Knox
And.
- [38:36]
LaVar Arrington
And so there's personal. Personal assessments and then there's sensible assessments. The sensible side of me says it's your choice. You know, if you're at the point in your career where you're about to go to the pros. I mean, you think of who's the. The young man that was dope linebacker for Notre Dame, Jalen Smith plays and plays in the game and jacked his leg up or McGahey jacked his leg up. And those are extreme. Those are extreme cases. But I mean, do you want to risk being one of the extreme cases that could alter what your future is. So I, I look at it from that perspective and say, if somebody wants to, you know, say, listen, I'm going to prepare for the next level, for what it's worth. Our regular season is finished. This is the bowl season. I'm going to opt out. Like, I get that now. It's a little harder to make that, that determination with the playoff because you still have a chance to win the national title. And that would to me not mean that your season is over. But if it's just a regular bowl game, you know, if it is the NIT tournament and you are a classic blue blood team that generally plays in the regular tournament, I don't, I don't see there being an issue with it. But I do, I do think it's cool. Like Deny, you know, Dennis Deny Sutton, you know, he, he played and he bald and I probably butchered his name. I, I might have messed it up because I got used to calling his name different. But anyway, he bawled out, bawled out for Penn State. I call because I call him Deny. That's all I call him. But did you try to put them all together? Sometimes I put them in the wrong order. But anyway, you know, and, but Zane Durant opted out, out, you know, Zaki Wheatley, he opted out. And I don't feel any differently about them than I do with Dennis playing in the game. So I just think it's a personal deal. Don't get too, like you said, caught up personally into it.
- [40:39]
Patrick Suica
Yeah, look, to that point, there's individual decisions, I think there's teams decisions too. What's interesting to me about this, where we're venturing to in, in college football, because you point out that about Duke, and I think it's always kind of existed too for some of the bigger programs that if they do have that down year, if they don't go to the nit, you know, it's kind of viewed as, so be it. Like the transfer portal has changed a lot of that because your roster turnover is so significant. And I think if you look at it from a football perspective nowadays, I mean, if you're not a part of the College Football Playoff, you're probably going to be losing a good amount of players either to the portal to their eligibility being up, which maybe is in question nowadays, or, you know, to go into the NFL. And if that's the case, you know, are you really putting your brand, your program the best foot forward when you go out and play some of these bowl games? Probably not, right? I mean, like, did Tennessee losing to Illinois do anything to help their program or the perception of the sec? No, absolutely not. And again, I'm not saying that they shouldn't go, go out there and play because it's, it's another opportunity to go out there and play football. It's the greatest game in the world, in my opinion. But we also act like this isn't a business. And just talking from the nil side and how agents talk to these kids now, that's how it's, it's structured. Like you play your regular season. If you play for a national championship, every single agent that's representing these kids is going to tell you to go out there and play. Now, they might be trying to leverage what you're getting paid to get paid more if you're a team that's part of the playoff. We heard about that story last year with Nico IO Maliava and Tennessee before they played Ohio State. They were trying to redo the contract, get paid more. So that sort of stuff is going on. But when you really peel it all back, you know, it doesn't sometimes make as much sense for some of those brands from those schools, you know, but again, it's their own individual choice. I don't have a problem with a guy sitting out or even a team at this point, only because if they're going to have a lot of moving parts with all of this, it, then why not focus on what is to be that next season and, and everyone. Especially for teams that have guys coming back. I mean, let's say for, for example, last night, Jaden, Jaden got hurt. That was going to impact his ability to start the following year. Does that make that game worth it for sc, especially in hindsight, losing the way you did? Probably not. And so I just. That whole question of these exhibition games, these additional bowl games and their existence, like, it's, it's going to come to the forefront here soon.
- [43:06]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, it's kind of. I don't know, I, I look at it and I go, there's a lot of people speaking on behalf of choices being made that have nothing to do with them. Literally have nothing to do with them. Does not, does not impact them, does not benefit them. Like you mentioned Jalen Smith, man, remember Jake Butt? Jake Butt was thought to be like a really top prospect in the NFL. Tight end. He got it, he got his leg ripped up in a bowl game. Like, it's just like. So you want them to just risk it so that you could, you know, see him what, dump Cheez its on their head? Like, hey, everybody else is doing it. Why can't you do it? Okay, well, I don't know because I've got a. That's 50 million.
- [43:44]
Patrick Suica
That's the reality. If you really peel back the, the business model is most of these bowl games, these exhibition bowl games are owned by ESPN. If there was 40 of them, about half, I think they sold off some of them and some are obviously owned by others. But when you really look at it, most of them are owned by espn. So it's kind of their own creation. It's part of their business model for this time of year. Because the ratings for these bowl games are typically higher than many of these teams usually face. I guarantee you Coastal Carolina and Louisiana Tech yesterday probably rated higher than any of their other games this season because it was on in a spot where it was a standalone. Nothing's up against it and people are dying for some sort of of sports. There's gamblers who want to bet, so that's all part of, you know, their model to make money off it. So there's no one who gets more upset about it than espn When a team ops out, they're not part of their, you know, postseason business model. But does it make sense for anyone else, you know, that that's involved in the process? The coaches, the players? Maybe not. I mean, again, like, this is not a part of them getting paid additionally. And that's a conversation we have to start having now.
- [44:51]
LaVar Arrington
That's the bigger conversation, you know, like.
- [44:53]
Patrick Suica
Like we're not getting like bowl game bonuses for these players if they get in the playoff. Maybe it's structured in there, but like, we're not to that point yet. We don't have a CBA for the players. There's not a union that's, you know, collective, you know, collectively bargaining against whatever power structure is created.
- [45:10]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, it is. Two pros and a cup of Joe. Filling in for the Dan Patrick show here on Fox, fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. We'll be taking you all the way up until Noon Eastern Time, 9 o' clock Pacific. Up next, though, it's a little something we do on our weekday morning show. It's called in case you missed it and it's yours right here on fsr. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Jonas Knox
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- [47:10]
Brady Quinn
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- [48:21]
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- [49:21]
Jonas Knox
The Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox filling in for Dan and the guys coming up top of next hour a little over 10 minutes from now. Real problem in the world of sports and somebody has voiced opinion on it. We will hear from them again coming up here a little over 10 minutes from now. But right now it is time for something we do on our show. Monday through Friday. It's another edition of this. Sometimes you can't get to everything in the world of sports or entertainment. Good thing the guys are here to bring you in case you missed it. And for that, we turn it over to our executive producer, the one and only Patrick Suica. Patty speak.
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Patrick Suica
Hey, yo, It's a beefrona cowboy.
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In Case You Missed It Host
Everybody wants yee haw.
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Patrick Suica
Everybody.
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In Case You Missed It Host
Oh, my God. Well, it's time for in case you missed it, boys. And here's a good one for y'.
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Odoo Advertiser
All.
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In Case You Missed It Host
The 2026 Pro Football hall of fame have announced their finalists. And let's go with the, you know, at the top of the chart here, here. Drew Brees is in this.
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Jonas Knox
He's in.
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In Case You Missed It Host
Larry Fitz.
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Odoo Advertiser
He's in.
- [50:31]
In Case You Missed It Host
Frank Gore.
- [50:32]
LaVar Arrington
Maybe, maybe.
- [50:34]
In Case You Missed It Host
Tori Holt, Luke Keakley. Shout out to the linebackers. Willie Anderson, Jari Evans. Eli is on there again. Terrell Suggs Vinitari, Adam Vinitary for those Reggie Wayne, Kevin Williams, Jason Whitten, Darren Wood, Woodson and Marshall yonder.
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Patrick Suica
Man, I mean, all those dudes will probably get in. I don't know how. How many get in this time?
- [51:02]
Jonas Knox
There's five, right?
- [51:03]
LaVar Arrington
Five.
- [51:04]
Jonas Knox
Yeah, five.
- [51:05]
Brady Quinn
Five.
- [51:07]
LaVar Arrington
So I. I get. I get hit up by a couple voters and they give me the list. Yeah, I'll. I'll tell you. I'm looking for the messages. I'll tell you who I gave them. Yeah, who do you. I gave him Darren Woodson. I think it's long overdue for Darren Woodson to get in.
- [51:23]
Jonas Knox
Yep.
- [51:24]
LaVar Arrington
I think it's way long overdue for Tori Holt to get in. I think it's way long overdue for Willie Anderson to get in. Yeah. And I think Luke Keakley and Frank Gore should get in.
- [51:35]
Patrick Suica
Wow.
- [51:35]
LaVar Arrington
Those are my 5 over breeze. I think. I mean, I. I get it. I get it.
- [51:43]
Patrick Suica
First Battle hall of Famer.
- [51:44]
LaVar Arrington
It won't. Won't. It won't be over Breeze. But if you're asking me the five, if, If I had to replace one, I'd say probably Luke with. With Drew Brees. But I gotta put the line.
- [51:55]
Jonas Knox
I would say Frank Gore, if you're gonna replace one of those, I would.
- [51:57]
LaVar Arrington
Say his body of work is too. It's so great, though.
- [52:00]
Jonas Knox
I know. I think he should get in, too. But if you're only picking five.
- [52:03]
LaVar Arrington
Yeah, but his body of work, like who's done what Frank Gore has done.
- [52:08]
Patrick Suica
Drew, quarterback. I think he's got a better body. That's fair.
- [52:11]
LaVar Arrington
That's fair, too. Yeah, that is fair. Yeah, that is fair. I mean, you're. Listen, if it's. Frank Gorda has to go. Has. I mean, that. That was my five, guys.
- [52:20]
Brady Quinn
That.
- [52:20]
LaVar Arrington
That was. That's what I gave you. What you got, Patty?
- [52:23]
Patrick Suica
That's.
- [52:24]
LaVar Arrington
I said my five. You know, I didn't say. I didn't say it was factually backed. I said.
- [52:28]
Patrick Suica
Well, you didn't say it was Jonas's five, either. Said it was your five.
- [52:30]
Jonas Knox
Yeah. How come they don't. How come they don't reach out to me to get my five?
- [52:33]
LaVar Arrington
Yeah.
- [52:34]
Patrick Suica
What's up?
- [52:34]
LaVar Arrington
I don't know. I don't know why I think Keekley.
- [52:36]
Patrick Suica
Has to get in. Was he at all all pro for like four or five? I mean, he. Defensive player of the year, defensive rookie. I mean, he's got all the accolades. I know it was, you know, wasn't long, but I don't think he was ever worse than an eight. Like a second team all pro, Five time.
- [52:51]
Jonas Knox
All pro.
- [52:52]
Patrick Suica
Yeah, well, first team, he was a second team for like the rest of them.
- [52:56]
LaVar Arrington
If you're first team all pro one time, you've done well in your life. You've done well in your life life. That's how hard it is to become a first team all pro. Yeah, that's elusive man.
- [53:09]
Jonas Knox
Oh yeah.
- [53:10]
Patrick Suica
I'd say there's other definitions for doing well in life, but yes, that. That is obviously a great okay, I.
- [53:17]
LaVar Arrington
Went to Penn State. Relax, relax. I'm educated too. Let's take a break.
- [53:26]
Patrick Suica
Let's take Happy New Year.
- [53:30]
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Jonas Knox
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- [55:29]
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Season 2 of unrivaled basketball is here and the talent is unreal. The best women's players on the planet are running it back with even bigger moments and bigger stakes. Don't miss as Paige Beckers, Nafiza Collier, Kelsey Plumb, Brianna Stewart and more take the court and redefine the game. This isn't your regular season. This is unrivaled, where the pace is faster, the energy is higher and every athlete shines unrivaled. Basketball season two, sponsored by Samsung Galaxy, tips off January 5th on TNT, TruTV and HBO. Max, this is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.