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Dan Beyer
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Chris Rose
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Dan Beyer
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Doug Gottlieb
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Dan Beyer
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Dan Beyer
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Dan Beyer
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Doug Gottlieb
What up? Good morning to you, Dan Patrick show, fox Sports Radio iHeartradio app. And may I be the first to wish you a happy new Year. You're like, no, everybody wished me a happy new year last night. I don't know. Especially if you're a West coast. You're getting up, you probably went bed early. You're probably like going to bed. What's the point? Well, I don't know. It's 2025. Dan Byer alongside Happy New Year, Doug, Happy New Year to you as well. Jason Stewart, our esteemed producer, joins us as well. Hey, J. Stu. I can't believe it's 2025 already. Just saying that because it irritates. It irritates the heck out of him. Can you believe it's January already? I can't believe it's January already.
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Jason Stewart
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes. Yes, it does. There is a lot to get to with the three college football playoff games tonight with some other sports, yada, yada, yada. But let's react to last night's Penn State win over Boise State. You heard it, I'm sure, in the update. My guess is if you're any sort of sports fan, even if you're at a party, you were looking at a screen to see how it would go down. The final score is 31 to 14. I have my own opinion on it. But, Dan, let me ask you. Obviously you're not only a college football fan and you watch this thing, but, you know, like, Big Ten is something that you watch a ton of because of all the sports, of all the sports teams you like, of all the college football teams you like, Ohio State is your favorite team. So you've seen Penn State in action. I think both of us thought Boise would keep it closer. I think it was 11 point line. I'm trying to remember back to the end of yesterday's show, but what? Again, the final score is 31 14. Just give me your sense of the game.
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Chris Rose
I think that it was exactly what we expected. It was finished as a 17 point victory. And if you didn't think that it was a 17 point edge, that's fine. I think it probably was. Boise State had opportunities, couple of missed field goals. They missed one on their opening drive. They missed another one that could have got him within a score in the fourth quarter. They had a bad interception in Penn State territory. So Boise State had their opportunities, but at no point did I feel that Penn State was threatened or would lose the game. There was never a point of that. And so I think it's kind of what we expected. And Doug, what this does allow is us to say, all right, did Boise State really deserve the buy? Does Boise State or a team like Boise State deserve to be in the field? I think the first, the answer to the first question is no, and I think the answer to the second question is yes. Boise State fared just like other teams did in the first week of the College Football Playoff. So I, last night, to me was just more of a confirmation of what we thought and what we believed, and there was nothing there that changed my mind.
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Doug Gottlieb
That's really, really good. Really, really good. Breakdown analysis. Let me ask you this. Do you believe that Penn State is one of the elite teams in the country?
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Chris Rose
No.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay. And again, I understand there's a gray area between. Yeah, yeah, there's a gray area between elite and should they get in the field sort of thing. And again, that's what happens when you expand to 12 is you get to these kind of like, okay, we're. Do we reward a good team? My point would be, yeah, first of all, this should have been a first round game, right? Like, Penn State is not a great team. They're. They're at best the third best team in the Big Ten, which is, which is, you know, no small feat, right. Oregon's good, who they lost to Ohio State to. And we've actually seen it on a football field. This isn't the Indiana, where we've only seen them play against one. We've seen them play against the two other, what we think are elite teams in the Big Ten. They've lost to both. And so they'd be, by anyone's estimation, the third best team out of the Big Ten, which is the second best conference in the country. Okay. And so I'll get to my thoughts on the game. But the point is, and remains, and I think we are actually, we don't agree on a lot or maybe, you know, sometimes anything in an argument, but I think both of us would agree on these two statements. One, this is the most overly fair field we'll probably ever have. Right. We'll probably ever have. Because Boise is not getting. And I guess maybe they can figure out a way, but they'll. Maybe they have to do it next year. But after the two year trial period, there's zero chance that a non power four school is getting a top four seat. Zero chance. It just so glaring to everyone, so glaring. And I can't, I think it was Chip Kelly who said it and obviously coaching in the Horizon League, we're catching strays. He's like, look, Oakland can get in the field, but they're not going to get a number one seed. Right. Like that's. And that's. And again, I don't think the Mountain west is Oakland, but I do understand what he's saying, which is it was just the whole thing was ridiculous that they would get a top four seat.
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Chris Rose
I think. And there's another, there's another reason for that, Doug, is I think previously if you saw an unbeaten team in the old format be able to run the table and make a push, you know, we mentioned the likes of Hawaii and the old BCS format, but in, in what happened with, with Cincinnati, you know, a few years ago, you have cincinnat making their push and then the American Athletic Conference.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes.
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Chris Rose
Now because of when you have 18 schools in a league, when you have the SEC with Texas and Oklahoma, those power conferences are looked at differently. There's more of a separation. Back when Cincinnati did it, I felt that there was maybe a closer gap because more teams were spread out, more schools were spread out. You had actual PAC 12 conference. At the time, Big 12 had 12 teams. Now they've got 16 schools. The SEC's got 16, the Big Ten's got 18. And so it's just the fact of these leagues that those smaller, the group of five or group of four are dealing with outside of the power four, it's just a bigger gap. So to your point, I think it was different even three, four years ago because conferences weren't like this. But now with the move of USC and UCLA and Oregon and Washington and Oklahoma and Texas and Arizona State and Colorado and Utah and Arizona and the whole deal, it just, it's a bigger gap. So you can't. These conferences are just way too strong and way too deep to allow that to happen again.
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Doug Gottlieb
They have too much, let's just cut the brass tax. They have too much money. They just have too much money. It doesn't mean you're buying a great team, but you're It's a, in the attrition of the sport of football, okay? Just the depth of overall bodies and talent and what you can do when you're, when Your budget is 10 to 15 to sometimes 20x your opponent. Like, you know, man, I described this a little bit yesterday. There's a kid who had a great game yesterday for Atlantic 10 School and I, the mom and him and we were recruiting him when I got the job and man, that I think like this will work. This guy's gonna come in. He got to play in the NCAA tournament last year. I wanted this kid as like, man, you fit exactly what I need. Just a different level of athlete than I had on my roster. And when we got down to it, I just was half of my budget for NIL would have gone to one player which again maybe in hindsight would have been smarter, you know, but I just, you know, I would have been massively over my budget and somebody, you know, I would have been in a situation that some of these coaches are in where I would either had to go on and beg for more money or I would have, I would have stopped paying guys because I wouldn't have had the money. So the point is that the money does actually really, really matter how much you have, how much you can spend. It's a crazy difference. There is one sort of evening of the playing field that still exists and it's going to be interesting to see what happens now with this. There's a new, it's a ruling, it's a temporary rule as a, as a court made it for the, for the Vanderbilt quarterback where your junior college year doesn't count. So again like you're able, those non power fives are able to one go down and recruit. You know, FBS kids are transferring up kids with an extra year, sometimes two extra years. Now you're getting older guys. So kind of like the old BYU effect where you can have 23, 24, 25 year old guys and the, and the, you know, the Georgia's, the Alabamas, you know, they're dealing with pro prospects that maybe they have a greater depth of athletes but they don't have the age and experience. But generally, yes, this is, this has been my argument for why the SEC deserved more seeds. And I know, you know, two of them lost yesterday. I don't, I find it hard to take those ones seriously because they're not the, they're not the championship bowls. The point is that the Big Ten and the SEC have more money than everybody else now. There's A couple of schools around the country that in their leagues, they have a bunch of money and generally they've done really, really well. But, yes, there's a greater separation. There used to be. So the first thing is, I don't think we're ever going to have this again after these two years. And yet, I'm with you. It's like we've completely overcorrected from where we always used to be. For years it was, we got to have a playoff. And hey, let's not forget about the little guy, because the little guy is what makes the NCAA Tournament so popular. It's not actually really. Right. It's really not. What makes the NCAA Tournament really popular is the bracket itself, the 6014 field that everybody, your grandma, your son, your nephew, everybody can fill out. And even with no knowledge, yes, the Cinderella upsets are really cool, but they should always be included. But there's a difference between including a Boise State and giving them the 3C. I mean, it was honestly ridiculous. But in regards to the game, there.
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Chris Rose
Was a moment, just a sec. Your whole money thing that you're talking about, I completely understand what you're saying, but money has never been a part of the discussion when we are trying to pick the schools. Now, they may be better and they made me spend more, but we've never said, well, that team's nil budget is blank, so. Or this is how much this athletic department brings in, or this football program, therefore, they're better. We've always done it on records and we've always done it on. On leagues and strength of schedule and who they've played and who they didn't play, who they won and who they lost to. So while money will change things, I do still think that it goes down to the things that I talked about. And the bigger part is just that it's. There's no way you can now stack up a Mountain West Conference against the Big Ten or an sec.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yes, but it's, again, because of the money, again. And it's just how much you spend. It really is. I mean, I wish it was about a bunch of other things. And I thought, you know, Boise, there's a lot of clever things they do. They're expertly coached, they block well, they tackle. There's a lot of good stuff. But again, the money matters because you just have more resources of players. You've always had the more resources of coaches and stadiums or whatever. And there's always been the thought of stuff going on the table. Now, the reason we haven't had the discussion before because it wasn't out in the open before and the difference wasn't as stark a contrast. It just wasn't. Like you go and look at like how do they have all these players? Like they have more money. They, they will pay players to redshirt everybody else. Why do you, why did a kid go there and sit and not play for a year? Well, because they told him, hey, we're on three year program, we're going to pay you more in your first year and then once you don't play in your first year. Yeah, you know, it really is sort of about the money.
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Chris Rose
But if Boise runs the table and is 13 and oh like that.
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Doug Gottlieb
But they're also, they're playing against, with the exception of the Oregon game, they're playing against like funded or lesser funded teams. Boise for their league is very well funded. Boise in totality is not. So the point is like again, if you're the argument for any of these SEC teams and even Alabama and I know they fell on the, fell on their face yesterday, losing, losing to Michigan. Okay. But if you play against 10 to $20 million teams on a weekend week out basis, just the overall bodies, the collisions, it's just different. It's like Ash and Genti. I mean here's a perfect if I'm a running back, and I know that's not why he went to Boise State, but if I'm a star running back, I would much rather play at the Mountain west level or below simply to take care of my body for professional football. Because the collisions he took last night were at least 1.5x to the collisions he takes in the Mountain west because they're bigger, stronger, more athletic bodies and those collisions wear you down more and have the potential for injury more.
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Chris Rose
Yeah, I get that. But that's no different this year. Right? I mean in, in college football and how we look at it. And they were still ranking Boise high up on the list because Boise had a close loss to Oregon and truly that was the feather in their cap as they played Oregon tough throughout the season. That doesn't, none of that changes. None of that, none of that is any different from from now. And that's, we're, we're actually, we're on the same page of what we're saying. You just think that money is the reason why. And I actually just think it's the depth of the conferences that now make the Mo west seem lesser.
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Doug Gottlieb
Right. And it's. My point would be, you're right, we're, we're actually saying the same thing. And the depth of the conferences, because those conferences are all way more funded, way better funded than the Mountain west is just. It just is. I mean, so I agree with you and that. That we've. What we've done is we've elevated some of the, you know, like Louisville was at the level of Boise State. You go back 20 years ago, right now Louisville has been so. So the, if you want to call them mid majors of college football have. Have. Many of them have been moved up and Boise State has been left behind. And because Boise State has been left behind, I'll tell you what, this is a parallel to. You ready for it? This is a little bit like Villanova when they got left behind in the new Big East. Remember, Villanova was, for the last five years or so of the. Of when the Big east was Gargantuan, was like 14 teams. They were struggling. They were middle of the pack. And then Syracuse, Pittsburgh, you know, Virginia Tech, you know, they all left for the ACC and they were left with Creighton and DePaul and Providence and Seton hall with more true kind of mid majors. Now, the Big east has since elevated because Villanova built on that success in their league and then got better and better players and ultimately won two national championships. But they were, they went, literally went from middle of the middle of the road Big east team to dominant team in the Big East. And the only thing that changed was the level of overall competition in the Big east. Right? They were a high major. They were kind of a upper middling high major for a couple of years. And now they're playing against mid majors and they dominate them. That's what's happened to Boise, where Boise now, like, again, their competition at their level has gotten lesser. So I'm actually agreeing with you. I think it's actually a really, really smart point that people don't understand. It's that not only have they been kind of left, but now the teams at their level are. I mean, like, look, the Mountain west, it becomes like a juco for the, for the Big Ten and for the sec. Like, that's what happens. You know, all those, all those kids, the reason they can recruit guys that have more than one year of eligibility is they tell them, hey, come here. You won't make as much money, but you'll play, then you'll get film, then you'll go to the SEC, you'll go to the ACC, you'll go to the Big 12, you go to the Big 10. That's actually how you recruit knowing that you're actually taking a slightly inferior player, but it's a better player than you could get in a traditional sense in recruiting. All right, real quick. In regards to the game, and this is again of the things that I've Learned in my seven months of being a Division 1 head coach is a little bit, a little bit of what you talked about if you're at a talent deficit. And that game, that game was a mismatch. It wasn't a woeful mismatch. It wasn't like Penn State could just show up. But Penn State's a good, well coached football team. Hard hitting, they run the football, they do a lot of the things that Boise does, only they just have bigger, better athletes and it's a little bit better. You know, as much as Boise gave away opportunities with the field goals and with the touchdown that was called back and the touchdown not been called back, that would have put some pressure on Penn State. It would have been a one score game and we would have seen what Penn State was made of. The fact is that Penn State also gave away opportunities. That game would have been over early had Clifford not fumbled and they were marching down the field to score yet again. It just, it felt like Boise was stunned, you know, and would have been over early if not for the fumble. And then there was the interception the second half, which there's a late hit, you know, personal foul penalty, a dumb penalty on another Penn State player. Had that not penalty not happened, I think Penn State would have scored there again, game would have been over. But the big thing is for, if you want to compete against a team that's better than you, it doesn't mean you can't win. But you have to be much closer to perfect than they were. And they just weren't. Yeah, you know, they just weren't. Because if you can get, if they could have gotten it to one score, the pressure would have been on Penn State. You know, Penn State couldn't protect sometimes throwing the football and their passing in was a little shaky. And look, it's, you know, you start looking up and you're like, holy cow. We think we're better than them. We're only up three points here late. Y. I mean, there actually was a moment where like this could be interesting. But the overall takeaway, and maybe this is confirmation bias, was it wasn't. It was, it was a mismatch. One team was way better and we, I'm not, I coach at a mid major and basketball is a little bit different. You can Mitigate some of that stuff with a three point line with zone defenses, with a lot of kind of cleverness or whatever. And we've seen it work in college basketball. And I don't think the contrast is as stark in basketball because guys, the best of the best leave after a year or two in college basketball or they can't until year three in college football. But that, that was a game in which Penn state probably wins nine out of 10 times. And in order for Boise to win, they have to be close to perfect. They got to make the first field goal, they got to make the second field goal, they got to not fumble the football. And even then it would have been really, really tough to beat a good, solid, but not elite Penn State team.
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Chris Rose
And I don't know if the sound was on where you were at, Doug, but I had the sound on Bob Washoes and is great. But boy, anytime Ashton Genti would get any sort of space, he would just scream Genti. Because he was almost trying to will that narrative and that Boise State feel, you know, that that story, almost trying to will it to happen like it would. He would go five or six notches higher on an eight yard carry, you know, because he was getting stuffed. And then anytime he would actually have daylight, they, you know, there would be, you know, some excitement. He actually got up around 100 yards last night. I don't think he broke a hundred yards, but yeah, it was, they were, they were trying. They were really trying.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, everybody, everybody wanted to be. You know, you always want to call the Cinderella, call the big play. And it just, yeah, he got over.
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Chris Rose
100, 104 he was at.
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Doug Gottlieb
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Dan Patrick
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Doug Gottlieb
Good morning to you and happy New Year. Stan Patrick show here on FOX Sports Radio alongside Dan Beyer. I'm Doug Gottlieb. So the Eagles are a little bit undecided on whether or not Saquon Barkley is gonna play this upcoming weekend. Why you say is are they undecided? Well, because winning the game does nothing for them. Right. This is an Eagles team that is 13 and 3 and relatively locked in. Right. In terms of, in terms of playoff seeding, The Lions are 14 and two on the year. Right. And they're going to take on the vikings who are 14 and 2 on the year. And, and you know, look, the Eagles are sitting, sitting pretty having won their division and they play the New York Giants. And of course Saquon Barkley, I'm sure his reason for playing would be bonuses attained but also the ability to get the all time single season rushing mark. This is Nick Sirianni on the decision.
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Nick Sirianni
I'll talk to our staff, I'll talk to the players, I'll talk to Howie, you know, I'll talk to Mr. Laurie, I'll talk to everybody and to try to make sure I making the best decision for the football team and that's your job as a head coach. Everything's taken into account. You know, I'm going to always do what's best for the team and the individuals going for, going for that. And I'm still thinking through a little bit of this too, but something I haven't told the guys yet. So I'll always let them know before I let anybody else take into a lot to account. Again, it's, it's what's the best thing for the team and then also what's the best for the individuals that are going for the record. You know, if you think back a couple years ago to 20, 21, Smitty was going for the rookie receiving record. I think he was going to break DeSean Jackson's rookie receiving record and everybody else was resting. But we wanted or everyone else Whatever it was, we didn't play some other guys in that game. We went and got him that record. Every situation is a little different. Not saying one way or the other how that's going to play out or even that I've made a decision yet. But again, I got to tell the guys first when I do come to that decision, and I'll let you guys know, but a lot goes into it.
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Doug Gottlieb
It Dan Byer. What would you do?
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Chris Rose
I would sit him. It seems really, really neat and salacious to do it against the Giants, to do it against his former team, to have the, the record, to have history, but really for the, for the Eagles, there's bigger fish to fry. And, and I felt, you know, Brian no and Jeff Schwartz were on just prior to us on two pros. And Jeff made the point you got to play other guys then, too. So, yeah, I'd sit them.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, I, I don't think this is really close. I do understand the, the Giants thing, the record thing. And, you know, like, even though all of us in the know would say, hey, a 17th game, it's a different record, we could say the same thing about Eric Dickerson as opposed to O.J. simpson. Right. Two more games there as well, and nobody brings that up with Eric Dickerson's record. So I do think that would fall by the wayside. But if you're, if you're saying what's in the best interest of the team, and the only goal, the Philadelphia Eagles goal is not to win the NFC east and it's not to get Saquon Barkley the single season rushing mark. It's to win a Super Bowl. And the possibility of injury, just the possibility of injury makes it so. It's not worth it. It's not worth it.
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Chris Rose
Agrees.
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Doug Gottlieb
What do we gain? If it's about money or if it's about a claim, then that's not the Saquon Barkley. Right. That's part of the reason you left the Giants was because he had no chance at this. And I believe that as, as much as he left all of that positive equity behind with the Giants, I mean, he would have been Mr. Giant like the Tiki Barber and Michael Strahan. And heck, even Lawrence Taylor is still legendary. Right. Obviously he won a couple Super Bowls. But, you know, being a new, a lifer New York Giant is a huge thing. And obviously Mara loved him and the fans loved him. He left all that behind. But it was a great decision, a football decision. Great decision. This is a much better team, a much better run organization in terms of what they have, what they have and blocking for you and their schemes and you have a much greater likelihood of competing for and winning a Super Bowl. And so if that's your reason behind going to the Philadelphia Eagles, then this is not even, it's not even, not even a conversation that you have. The other part to it is, and I'm going to stand on this because I know that people will, you know, right now are overwhelmingly thinking, well, all of these other executives or the executives of their former teams have to be idiots because they've allowed talented running backs to leave. And you go back, you know, going back to last year, whether it was Josh Jacobs who's now with the packers or Saquon Barkley or others, it was all about, you know, hey, you know, these guys need long term guarantee because they were franchise tagged and they were making, you know, about the same money they were going to make, you know, on a yearly basis. It was multi year guaranteed contracts. Don't give them three years guaranteed. And so if you want to say that Josh Jacobs, who's having a great year or Saquon Barkley, who's having an incredible year, have proved everybody wrong, you're right as of right now. But it was a long term, long term, like long term guy goes down, you know, running backs get hurt and they're easier to replace for less money. So why spend all that money? And I think that that argument, there's no period to the end of the argument that right now Saquon and Josh Jacobs are winning because I mean, look at Alvin Camara, he can't stay healthy at all. He's part of that discussion. So let's see what happens over the next two years. But this weekend, I mean, I wouldn't do it. I do think it's very Eagles to do it against the Giants. It's very Nick Sirianni to do it against the Giants.
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Chris Rose
Yeah, I agree with all that. That actually worries me if I'm an Eagles fan to think that this is a consideration. And I don't want to harp on Sirianni, who I do think at time acts like a buffoon. But I do like it when coaches do say and reveal what their thought process is and not give us just a bunch of coach speak that he's actually letting us in on the process. I just can't believe that this is part of the process. When you signed him to a deal, a single season rushing record last spring was. That was the icing on the cake. That's the gravy but the cake and the biscuits or the chicken fried steak, the meal is the Super Bowl. You don't want that to be messed up. And you would be putting that in harm's way if you ended up playing him in week 18.
- [35:33]
Doug Gottlieb
I actually think there's. That you could make the argument. Okay. And I don't know if anybody, if you guys buy this argument, you could make the argument by not playing him. Him and not putting your top level team out there against the Giants. I think that's the ultimate kind of Saquon's revenge. Like you left a team that thinks we're their rival and we don't. They don't even exist in our.
- [35:57]
Chris Rose
Yes.
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Doug Gottlieb
In our stratosphere. Right. They don't. We don't even need. We don't need. You don't even need to play against them. They're so inferior to us. That would. That would be my. That would be my sale in not playing.
- [36:10]
Chris Rose
Yeah. That the love. The opposite of love isn't hate. It's.
- [36:14]
Doug Gottlieb
Yes. Apathy.
- [36:15]
Chris Rose
Yeah. Apathy. Indifference.
- [36:16]
Doug Gottlieb
Yep. Indifference. Yes.
- [36:18]
Chris Rose
Jason Stewart.
- [36:19]
Doug Gottlieb
Jace too.
- [36:20]
Jason Stewart
The Eric Dickerson angle on this guys interests me a couple of things. Nick Sirianni just brought up a Devonta Smith rookie receiving record which. Which is just completely pales in comparison. If, if you can make an argument that Eric Dickerson's single season rushing record is like the one record that actually people know about. Like this is like baseball has probably 10 to 12 of these. But the single season rushing record is really up there, I think on a podium by itself. Earlier this week, RG3, when he was kind of making a case against Eric Dickerson rooting against Saquon Barkley, he's like, hey, I, I was more than happy to give up my rookie rushing record to Daniels this year. It's like these are not records that people care about. And I think this is a sacred record. And it was done in 16 games. And I think there's. There would be something to Doug's final point. There was. There's. There's be something a little bit. There would be something gracious for Saquon Barkley to be like, you know what? I got my 2000. I'm really happy. I want to rest before the playoffs. And that Eric Dickerson record I think should stand another year. I think there's. There'll be something gracious about that. There's a moment here that the Eagles could take advantage of for the reason you just said, Doug. And I think that this record does mean a lot. And Eric Dickerson should get his flowers this week and not be insulted by a bunch of former players, which he has been.
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Doug Gottlieb
Is he the rightful holder of the record like I know he does, but I mean, he had 2105, right? And OJ had 2003 and only did it in 14 games. This is the Roger Maris, right? Roger Maris to Babe Truth.
- [38:07]
Jason Stewart
Because it stood for 40 years or whatever it's been. I think it is, right?
- [38:12]
Doug Gottlieb
It is for 16 games.
- [38:15]
Chris Rose
Yeah. Yeah. And Dickerson, I think is. Claimed that he got his in 15, even though he played, I think 16 games that season. I also, Doug, I just think it's. I've said this over the last week or so and we've not been with each other. I just think that it was much harder then to rush the football, to run the football than it is today. I know we think that running backs are extinct and the running game is extinct, but I think that makes defenses built to try to stop quarterbacks and stop the pass and get after the quarterback. So actually, if you have an offensive line and can run the football, it's actually easier than maybe what Eric Dickerson and Emmett Smith and Barry Sanders had to deal with that, you know, that long ago. I'm not saying that it's watered down by any means, but it's done.
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Doug Gottlieb
No, no, no, no, no. Listen. It's the exact same argument as basketball, right? You literally take again when, when Michael Jordan was playing, you had a power forward in a center and they would occupy the paint, right? They occupy the paint. So you have two bodies, 6 foot 8, 6 foot 9 and bigger, occupying the paint. Now guys can attack the rim. You know, a LeBron James is built like a power forward and when he gets past his guy or gets going downhill, there's. Sometimes there's a rim protector who's, you know, usually these guys have to be, you know, they're in the 220, 230 pound variety shot blockers, maybe 240. You know, a lot of times they're coming from outside the three point line that it's so much more spread out. So there's not ne. There's not the bodies in there. The same thing in the NFL. Right. Like you're mostly CLI's base coverage is. Is nickel.
- [39:59]
Chris Rose
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
You know, is nickel. The linebackers are 20 pounds lighter than they used to be. You have to be able to run. I mean, like, look, the reason that, the, the reason the, the, the, the Shanahan running game, what did they do? They brought in more athletic linemen that could Move. And it. It works, right? Speed. Speed kills. It's a much faster, much more open game. So, yeah, I mean, by design, I. I agree with you. There's one. Usually one less guy in the box, and the body's in the box. Especially in that second level. Linebackers, the number one thing they have to do is be able to run to play linebacker. And so linebackers now are built more like safeties than, like, converted defensive linebackers. So I think that's a. That's a fair argument.
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Chris Rose
I also find this Saquon argument interesting. And by the way, I did look it up. Eric Dickerson did pass O.J. in his 15th game, he had 98 yards. In his final game, he had 102 more yards than O.J. so he broken the record. And in his 15th game and then still played the 16th game and added to that record with 98 yards. Saquon needs a hundred yards. It's not like he needs 14. So if you go in the first half and gets 10 carries for 27 yards, you're going to do this all the entire second half as well. Like, this is. It's not like. It's just, let's go. Let's go out there, let's give him a couple of carries. You'll get the record, and we'll take them out. Like, he needs 101 yards. And you don't think that the Giants are just going to put everybody on the, you know, defensive line. Who cares if whoever's quarterbacking for the Eagles is throwing the football all over the yard? I just put 11 men in the box and be like, all right, go ahead. Good luck. It just doesn't make it. It doesn't make any sense. The more. The more you peel off this onion, it doesn't make sense.
- [41:49]
Doug Gottlieb
By the way, Kenny Pickett is the answer. The only reason I knew that, and it was because I have. Jalen Hurts was my fantasy quarterback. And then I'm like, who is their backup? Like, oh, Kenny Pickett. Oh, okay. Didn't have to leave the state, but.
- [42:02]
Chris Rose
Kenny Pickett got hurt last week, so Tanner McKee had to come in. So you haven't even a question there on what's going to happen with the Eagles.
- [42:09]
Doug Gottlieb
Did. Honest question. Did you know who Tanner McKee was?
- [42:13]
Nick Sirianni
No.
- [42:13]
Chris Rose
No. And somebody had to remind. Remind me. Like they. I said, where did he even go to school? And he went to Stanford. So then I'm like, okay, I think I remember that maybe in the draft process, but I can't remember any playing days or anything.
- [42:26]
Doug Gottlieb
The only thing I remember about Stanford was that was last year right where they lit up. They had that great game against Colorado. That's like the last I hadn't thought about Stanford football in so long that they, they went at Travis Hunter time and again. It was great game against Colorado. Anyway. Yeah, Tanner McKee checked in. Like, who is that? I've never heard of that guy before in my life. And he's now quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm Doug Gottlieb. He's Dan Beyer in for Dan the Danhett's coming up on the Doug Gottlieb coming up on the Dan Patrick show here on FOX Sports Radio. Let's look ahead to 2025, shall we? Will do so next.
- [43:01]
Dan Patrick
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Doug Gottlieb
In for Dan the Danette's Dan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio. Happy New year to you. It, it is 2025. It is 2025. So I, I've done this actually I did with my kids, Dan, I did with some friends last night we were at a, at a restaurant town called the Iron Duck which is kind of our, our hang. And you know, we, you, you just, you ask kind of an open ended question. You kind of let everybody kind of flesh things out. 2025 is going to be an interesting year. So we don't have Olympics this year, right? Last year we knew Olympics were Coming. That was kind of. So again, if there was one thing in sports you're most looking forward to, what would it be?
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Chris Rose
Wow.
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Justin Penik
There.
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Chris Rose
I live on a sports calendar, Doug. I think like many sports fans of, of football season to March Madness into the Masters and opening day and then back around through the NBA playoffs and then NFL training camps and, and then we, we do the cycle again. I would think that the, the one thing that stands out to me and it's, it's golf, golf wise, because it's an interesting year in golf. Number one, the US Opens going back to Oakmont, which is like my favorite course. Taking Augusta national out of it, Oakmont's my favorite course. But the Ryder Cups at Beth Page Black and I think it could get super, super rowdy and super super contentious. So I'm going to say the 2025 Ryder cup is what I would look most look forward to.
- [45:58]
Doug Gottlieb
Not the answer I was looking for. I was not know I was looking for. I was expecting. But I do know your love and passion for, for golf as well. And maybe it's, that's the, you know, that level of competition. I, I am interested in how this ultimately the College Football Playoff looks like. Just because we haven't had it before, you know, and it's been such a snoozer so far. I would expect today, okay, we're going to have some pretty good games. And then next week, next, the next time they take the field, it's going to be a final Four. It's going to be really good. It's going to feel, it's going to feel more special than the former Final Four that we had in football before. I'm only interested the super bowl, obviously you're going to watch. You know, I actually think the playoffs are more interesting than the super bowl just in. Is this finally the year the Bills get over the hump? Is it finally the year because you're watching the Ravens, you're like, well, they could, they could potentially do this too. And no one actually thinks the Chiefs are going to lose because they just find a way and the defense is really good and you, and you know, if you give Pat Mahomes the ball with any time on the clock, ask the bills even 13 seconds, he could pull off a miracle. But to me, football is only interesting in to that element of it. You know, again, I get the why people aren't that jazzed about the NBA. I think the NBA product is actually really, really good. I watched NBA games like, man, these guys are incredibly talented and some of Those Christmas games were good. The issue with it is, like, what is the there, there. What gets me. What would get me excited to watch the NBA Finals? And I can't think of anything. Just can't. Obviously, basketball with our own team. Like, we just want to win a game. I'd be excited for that. But in the sports calendar. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what it is.
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Chris Rose
Bills. Bills are unique because I would flip it and say, like, if I looked at a football thing, I would say the Lions just to get to the super bowl. Because I wonder if the Bills do break through and then they don't win the Super Bowl. Are we back?
- [48:16]
Doug Gottlieb
Here we go again.
- [48:16]
Chris Rose
Yes, yes. The Lions just have never, you know, appeared in one.
- [48:21]
Doug Gottlieb
Well, I do think it would be amazing if you had Bills and Lions in the super bowl because you have two of those franchises, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, and it was. It was really, really good. Really good pick. But I can't. It's again, like, I'm. I'm struggling to find the NBA thing that gets it. Baseball, we finally had Yankees, Dodgers. That was cool. I'd love to see that again. But I am excited about college football because I thought it would be different. It hasn't been yet. Maybe today, maybe today it changes. Maybe today the chaos that we, that we felt from, we feel from March Madness, maybe that's what happens. But it hasn't happened yet. You know what? Let's do that. Let's. Coming up next, let's get into Ohio State versus Oregon. You know, on paper, if you didn't know that these two teams have played or Ohio State's other losses, a loss in the year, this could be a national championship game. Who is the day, biggest for most important? 4. Let's get into that next with Dan Byrne. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Dan Patrick Show.
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Justin Penik
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