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Hour 1 – Knicks Coaching Search, New Expectations for Tyrese Haliburton, Adam Silver
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Greg Lodd
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Clayton English
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Dan Patrick
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Clayton English
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast.
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Dan Patrick
Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports.
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
It really does. It makes it real.
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Dan Patrick
Podcast you are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio, Hour one on this Wednesday. It's a busy show. Try to cram it all in three hours. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver In a little bit we'll head to the US Open. Brandle Shamblee of Golf Channel stops by. Chris Sims will talk some football a little bit later on as well. US Open starts tomorrow. NBA Finals game three coming up tonight, the latest line from DraftKings the Thunder favored by five in Indiana. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner. Download the app if you haven't done so. We say good morning to our radio affiliates. Good morning. Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program and this first hour brought to you by Tire rack. For over 40 years, they've been helping you find the right tires for how and what and where you drive ship fast and free, backed by free road hazard protection, convenient installation options like mobile tire installation. Tirerack.com the way tire buying should be Play of the Day Poll Question Stat of the Day all of that forthcoming the New York Knicks are still looking for their head coach as they have whiffed on the Rockets head coach Ma Udoka and Chad Finch, the Timberwolves head coach, and perhaps Jason Kidd, the Mavs head coach. Brian Windhorst a couple days ago said that there was mutual interest on the Knicks side and Jason Kidd side. But I don't think from what I'm reading, the Mavs are going to give him permission to talk to the Knicks, which does lead to kind of an awkward situation. If you know Jason Kidd is interested in the Knicks, but you don't want to let him go to the Knicks. But then he's still going to be your head coach. And I'm still surprised that Jason Kidd would be interested in going to the Knicks when you can have a great, you know, perhaps franchise player in Cooper flag coming to your team and what that could mean for the future here instead of going to the Knicks, unless you go to the Knicks and you're going to get the Greek freak. If that was going to happen, then I understand why you would be interested in that. It's not like he has some great, you know, history or relationship with the Knicks. He played there for a little while. That's it. But I was surprised that according to Brian Windhorse, there was mutual interest. But the latest report is that the Dallas Mavericks are probably going to deny the Knicks the opportunity to talk to him, which goes back to what I said when you fired Tom Thibodeau, you don't fire him unless you got somebody that you know is going to be an upgrade here. And I don't know if you're going to find that a guy who gave you a winning culture. Yes. Are there flaws that go along with his coaching style? Yes, there's flaws that go along with most coaches with their coaching style. How long can this style last before you start to wear out your welcome? You know, Laker players talked about Pat Riley like they knew that there was a window, and then after that, they were going to get tired of Pat Riley. They were going to tune him out. And you'll see this with coaches, it's hard to last for 10 years in one place. Now, granted, the players are interchangeable, so your message can still be the same. But this is why you have a lot of college coaches that they loved being at the same place for 15, 20, 25 years, because the players all changed and you were still the focal point of the organization. But the Knicks still looking for their head coach, and looks like the Dallas Mavericks are going to say no to that. Here's another thing that, you know when you've kind of graduated to a certain level, maybe stardom, when we start to critique you. Tyrese Halliburton is getting critiqued now, whereas during the regular season, nobody probably said a word about his game outside of Indianapolis. So he's in the Finals, and now everybody has an opinion. Now, all of a sudden, he's gotten to the point where we go, okay, let's see what you can do. Game three didn't look good in games one and two. Hit a big shot in one, but two. All right, got to be more aggressive here. There's players that you all of a sudden have expectations for, and Tyrese Halliburton has gotten to that point. There are expectations for him in the NBA Finals. I don't know if anybody has had a run quite like him in the last, you know, 25, 30 years. When it comes to postseason basketball and elevating your status now, all of a sudden we're going, is Tyree saliburton A top 10 player? Nobody would have said that if you talked about the Pacers in December or January. Be like, tyrese Halliburton, what position does he play? Can he shoot? Where's he from? Now all of a sudden you've graduated. Now it's like, oh, the guy at Iowa State. Oh, the guy used to play for Sacramento. All the guy who's hitting all the big shots. Now all of a sudden we treat him differently. You got to be a star, but you didn't even make the all star team. Now the two previous years he did, but he didn't make it this year. And he's kind of been that. All right, he's interesting now. He's not a guy that I go, I'm going to plug him in for 25 tonight, but he might give me 17 and 12 and hit the game winning shot. But here's the Thunder and they're coming and they're favored by five in Indiana, which tells you a whole lot about what the odds makers think about this series. OKC is coming to town and they plan on leaving with a few victories here. They plan on leaving with the championship. You know, there it's like, all right, you got one win. Now we got to take care of business here. All right, Seaton poll question. The commissioner will join us in about 15 minutes from now. What do we have? First hour.
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Marvin
Here's one from Marvin. The front office that has the worst reputation in the NFL.
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Dan Patrick
Whoa.
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Marvin
Browns, Jets, Bengals, Bears, other.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. All right. Okay.
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Marvin
Any thoughts on any of those teams?
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Dan Patrick
Wow. All right.
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Marvin
Bengals certainly be seem to be getting put through the ringer right now with some of their contract negotiations. The Browns have 15 quarterbacks on the roster.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Marvin
The jets are a disaster. Bears traditionally are terrible. However, there is some optimism there. Yes, they're trending forward.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. Got a head coach that is respected. Should work in unison with Caleb. They got some toys there for him to play with. And I would say that there is a positive outlook. The Bengals are being the Bengals, they're cheap, will play some sound from their first round draft pick who is not happy with what the Bengals are doing. You can spend all that money on offense and Joe Burrow wanted his receivers paid. You're not going to the playoffs if you're not playing any defense. You're just, you're not. And that's the surprising part of it. Although the expectation level for the Bengals this year is around 10 wins, which is surprising, the Cleveland Browns are immense. I would say the Jets, I mean, that starts with ownership. That's been a mess. It. And you can change coaches, you can change players, gms, you still have the same ownership and that's where it starts. Because when you say, oh, that team, that's a mess. Okay. Bring in another head coach or another starting quarterback or whatever it might be. You still have ownership there and ownership that stays out of the day to day. That's when you can have success. It's when they meddle and they think they're the smartest people. That's where it's really dangerous, where all of a sudden, the owner of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslam, goes, you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna do this and be like, no, we don't want to draft Johnny Manziel. We're drafting him. Okay? You get that impulsive owner who wants to all of a sudden go, yeah, I own the team. Watch this. I'm going to make this move. I'm going to sign this player. The Bengals are cheap. They do have, you know, a great quarterback. They got really good wide receivers. They paid them. But they're on the cheap with Trey Hendrickson, who, by the way, is the sack leader the last two years. So I would think that you would want to sign him up. They just don't want him to get that money that Miles Garrett and Michael Parsons, T.J. watts going to get, and he. And he shouldn't get that money. But should he be in there with Max Crosby? Well, probably. So who was the other one? So you got the jets, you got the Browns, and I take the Bears out of it.
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Paulie
Let's not forget the Bears history. They've had one really good off season where they spent on Ben Johnson, but historically, they've never done stuff like this. It's almost like a pause, like, hey, good for them.
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Dan Patrick
But that starts with ownership, too. Yeah, just look at ownership. That'll tell you everything about a franchise. How solid is that ownership? Stable. Not involved. Not in front of the camera. Constantly. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paulie, I hate to do this because, you know, I'm anti Cowboys for clicks. I would absolutely put the Cowboys on this poll question because as you described, an owner who thinks he knows more about football than football experts is what the Cowboys have been doing for 35 years, and it's not working out.
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Dan Patrick
Jerry Jones knows how to make money.
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Paulie
Sure.
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Dan Patrick
He doesn't necessarily know how to run a football team successfully. And if you don't have a GM and all of a sudden you're the GM and the owner, because the owner would have fired a GM who did the moves that Jerry made. Because that. If Jerry ever came on the show, you know, I would. I would ask him, would you have fired you as the gm? Because if you look that not making the playoffs, you make the playoffs, or you haven't been to a conference final the last time you won a Super bowl, you know, all of those things. So I would say Jerry is great at making money. Yes.
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Marvin
I Do not like the Cowboys. I actively root against them, and I take great pleasure in watching them not win.
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Dan Patrick
There's a but coming up.
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Marvin
But to compare them to the Browns is too far.
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Paulie
Fair.
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Marvin
Too far, that is. I love watching the Cowboys lose almost as much as I like watching the teams I like win. Every Cowboys loss feels like a win to me. But to say that they should belong on this list with the Browns and the jets and even the Bears, frankly, is. That's not right.
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Dan Patrick
But who has had more expectations attached to them?
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Marvin
But if you have expectations, that means you're doing something right.
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Dan Patrick
No, that just.
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Marvin
And then you're just being disappointing.
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Dan Patrick
That just means that the networks focus on the Cowboys because of the, the fan base there. It's not because it's warranted. Nobody's received more attention probably in the history of the NFL for the lack of success than the Cowboys have. But they have an incredible fan base and a fan base that still believes every single year this might be the year. I just think Jerry is great at. He's. He's great at branding. He's great at, you know, continuing to have them constantly being discussed. He likes the any good news is. Or any, Any news is good news. Like, he, he probably subscribes to that now. Have they had far more success than the Cleveland Browns? Absolutely. But we're looking at dysfunction on different levels there. Like the Jets, I mean, it's gotten to the point where you just go, I, I feel sorry for them. And the Cleveland Browns with Jimmy Haslam, the Bears, another cheap organization. The Bengals, a cheap organization. These are things that are systemic and the Bengals shouldn't be thinking about, you know, are we going to get my, my first round draft pick here? Are we going to get the guy who's the sack leader? Like now? It should be exciting. Now this, this should be the time where you go, we're looking pretty good here. Yeah. Pauling.
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Paulie
I would say, though, that the Browns have made some horrible picks and moves personnel wise over the past 15 years, and they're way too risky. Manziel, you could see it. It was way too risky. Desean Watson had so much baggage off the field.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Paulie
There was nothing you're bidding against to get him. There was way too much downside with desean and with a franchise like that that has a super loyal fan base, make safe decisions, but they had to.
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Dan Patrick
Make an unsafe decision because of the organization. They had to give DeShawn Watson a deal he couldn't refuse because he didn't want to go.
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Paulie
It's like you said, they made their own bed. They're a bad franchise so they'd overpay him.
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Dan Patrick
Yes, that's, that's how they got to the point to make a risky decision is because they've made other bad decisions. You know, DraftKings has the team that will have the fewest wins, it's the Browns. Then it's the Saints, Giants, the Jets, the Titans, Raiders and Panthers are tied after that. But it's, it's the Browns and Saints right now in the clubhouse for the fewest wins. And I do think that will lead to something very if I'm Saints organization, at what point is there organizational tanking here? Maybe you don't put the best people on the field because if you happen to end up with the number one pick in the draft now you make, you make it a little bit tougher for Arch Manning to go. I'll go back to Texas instead of going to my hometown team. With the Saints, I can quarterback the team that Archie Manning, who I'm named after quarterback. But I wonder about that. With the Saints, do you get to the point where you go and they've got some talent but they're talking about trading some players, maybe getting to that point where oh, woe is me. Like I don't think anybody's going to be sad. They can wear the ain't paper bags if they know they're getting archmac. Like I, I'll go through another, you know, bad season where we win three games. I think the over under for the Browns is four and a half. I think the Steelers right now is eight and a half. We'll hear from Aaron Rodgers coming up as well, but we'll settle on a poll question. We'll take a break. The NBA commissioner, Adam Silver and the on deck circle. We're back after this Dan Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. And of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that well other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio. Maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino Enrich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course on social media, that's Covino and Rich. Hi Zoe Saldana. Welcome to T Mobile. Here's your new iPhone 16 Pro on us. Thanks. And here's my old phone to trade in. You don't need a trade in. When you switch to T Mobile. We'll give you a new iPhone 16 Pro. Plus we'll help you pay off your old Phone up to 800 bucks and you still get to keep it. There's always a trade in. Not right now. @ T Mobile. I feel like I have to give you something in return for karma. That's okay. I don't really have much in my purse. Oh, let's see. Hand sanitizer. It's lavender. I'm good. Seriously. Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints. Really, I'm fine. Oh, I have raisins. I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car. It's our best iPhone offer ever. Switch to T Mobile. Get a new iPhone 16 Pro with Apple Intelligence on us. No trade in needed. We'll even pay off your phone up.
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
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Clayton English
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Patrick
We will speak to the Commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver, coming up momentarily. Tom Thibodeau took out a full page ad in the New York Times and he was thanking the New York Knicks. He starts it out by saying, to the best city in the world with the best fans in the world. Thank you. When I was hired in 2020, I said this was my dream job. I'm grateful that that dream became a reality. Thank you to our players, coaching staff who gave everything they had and to everyone who makes this franchise special. I'm proud of everything we accomplished together, including four playoff appearances and this year's run to the Eastern Conference finals, our first in 25 years. And to the fans, thank you for believing in me and embracing me from day one. Watching your support and you supporting our team and seeing the Gardens, the Garden ignite with that incomparable Knicks energy is something I will never forget with gratitude and respect. Tom Thibodeau. Yes, Todd, what are the, what is.
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Todd
The goal or goals here for Tom Thibodeau?
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Dan Patrick
Putting that out there, in your opinion? I think it's just a nice period at the end of a paragraph that you had a good time there, rewarding time there, memorable time there, got the opportunity, you took him to the Eastern Conference finals. You walk out with, well, a lot of money, but your head held high that you did a great job for a team that was desperate for a winning attitude there. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paul, would it be great at the end if you put P.S. the Knicks paid for this ad. I do want to ask though.
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Dan Patrick
Well, they did pay for the ad because they're spending $30 million.
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Paulie
Yes, he's down to 29, nine now after the ad. Is there any chance he posted this to combat his image that's being portrayed as a overly tough guy? It seems like his image is being a little sullied on the way out.
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Dan Patrick
Well, this doesn't change my opinion of the way he rotated his players.
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Paulie
Yeah, more so like he's not a player's coach.
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Greg Lodd
He's.
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Paulie
He's a bit too abrasive and the players got tired of him.
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Dan Patrick
I think he's a tough guy, demanding guy. So I'm, you know, maybe, I don't know what, you know, if there was an ulterior motive here. By the way, Sham says the Knicks have not requested permission for the Mavericks coach Jason Kidd as of Tuesday night, but sources tell ESPN the Mavericks would reject them. Let's bring in the commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver, back on the program or see. Ready to be a couple minutes. Oh, okay. So the Knicks have not requested permission for Jason Kidd, but, you know, Brian Winhorst said there's mutual interest or there was mutual interest. So I don't know how that works between. The Knicks are interested in Jason Kidd, he might be interested in them, but the Mavericks aren't interested in letting him be more interested in the New York Knicks, if that makes sense here. All right. What a poll question we're going to settle on is, is what there, Seaton?
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Marvin
You know, I do think, just back to that topic quickly, that Tom Thibodeau sort of taking the high road publicly isn't. Isn't a bad look. And sort of like a. And just a reminder, they asked me to leave. I didn't want to. Good luck. See you around. Eastern Conference finals sure was fun. See you guys later.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. And it's almost as if they overachieved because the Celtics injuries with Tatum, the Cavaliers injuries, and you know, you got further and further. And then it probably became tougher and tougher for you to go. How do we validate firing this guy? I think they probably had this decision made before the playoffs started and they probably played too well. But Tom Thibodeau with a New York Times farewell. Let's bring in the commissioner, Adam Silver, joining us on the program. Do you have business cards?
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Todd
Me?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Todd
Hold on. Wait.
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Dan Patrick
What's it say?
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Todd
It says, National Basketball Association, Adam Silver, commissioner, couple phone numbers and an address.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. How often do you hand those out?
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Todd
You know, it's so funny. When I give them, the younger people, they go like this. What is it? But our generation still likes business cards, so I still Carry them. Boy. I got a. I had about a thousand printed, I think, when I became commissioner, so I'm going to use them up.
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Dan Patrick
You should just hand them out. Autograph them. You know, collector's items.
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Todd
I'm impressed. You got to be impressed. I had them in my pocket.
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Dan Patrick
That's impressive.
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Todd
Rehearse this.
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Dan Patrick
I know. That's impressive. You were at the University of Chicago, what, late 80s?
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Todd
Yes.
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Dan Patrick
Okay. Do you remember your first Jordan Bulls game when you were in school?
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Todd
I do, because. So I got to. I went to law school at University of Chicago. I got there in 1985. And at that time, we could just go down to. I mean, you just bought tickets, you know, literally at the ticket window at game time. I mean, you know, I had gone to Duke, so I knew Michael from North Carolina. I mean, not. It wasn't secret, but they weren't selling out all the games back then. I mean, it was, you know, people forget it. It was several years before he won his first championship. I mean, he was great, but it wasn't the Michael Jordan that he turned into.
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Dan Patrick
When. Do you remember when it was more than just a basketball game?
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Todd
Not. Why was. Well, I remember there was an all Star game in Chicago, so it would have been, I don't know, it was like 87 or something. I remember that. What was the year when he won? Okay, so that, you know, I think that transformed, I think, him into this global icon in a way. I just think that that iconic shot, I can picture him flying through the air. I remember, you know, I did not have great seats, but I remember I was in the arena when he did that. And I just remember that that was transformational, I think.
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Dan Patrick
How involved were you with NBC bringing in Michael Jordan?
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Todd
Not at all. You mean just now, just this announcement they're bringing him back? I mean, they told me they were going to try, and I said, good luck. I honestly didn't think he was going to do it. You know, it took us as, you know, decades to convince him to do the documentary, you know, the Last Dance, which came out during the pandemic and ended up still, I think, is one of the, you know, widely viewed on Netflix. But he didn't, you know, he didn't want to do that for a long time. We had the footage, and I know there were other inquiries over the years, and I think he, for whatever reason, he was ready to do it now. I think he. He has, of course, incredibly fond memories of NBC. I don't think that's lost on anyone. He has, you know, as you well know, some of the very same people are there. People like John Miller, who he had a relationship from back all those years ago. You know, Mark Lazarus was still, you know, they are just switched over to the other side of the operation. But, you know, so I think like he had those relationships and again, I didn't discourage them, but I was surprised he said yes.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Still trying to figure out what his role is going to be. Now. Do you follow up? Do you want. Are you curious about what role Jordan is going to play with the upcoming.
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Todd
Yeah, no, I, you know, well, I, you know, I didn't know in advance, but that, you know, they told me what their idea was for him in that role, and I think that they're still working through that. I think that, you know, I spoke to Michael about it. I mean, he's excited about it. I think for him, it means he's got to stay current with the game. Obviously, he's a small owner still in Charlotte, but he's so passionate about it. I mean, we talk about it all the time. I mean, he wants the game to be played the right way. You know, he's still got a huge business around the game with the Jordan brand, but I think more importantly, he watches a lot of basketball and, you know, he knows it's what defines him still. And so I think fans are going to enjoy hearing his take, you know, on the modern league. I think one of the things that I'm excited about in terms of NBC coming back and this goes back to the Dick Ebersolt days, you know, is that I remember that sign behind Dick's desk that said storytelling. I mean, I think there's still some of the best at it, you know, and I think telling stories around the game, I mean, even right now, I mean, that sort of this narrative out there about small markets, whatever else. I mean, you know, incredible stories around Shay and, you know, and Tyrese and Pascal Siakam. I mean, I. My job too. You know, we first met when I was at NBA Entertainment, but to tell those stories to fans, I think that's what draws them in. I mean, there's the lovers of pure basketball, and I think the basketball is fantastic. But you also have to show how multi dimensional these players are and, you know, explain to them the storylines, the conflict on the floor. And nobody does that better than NBC.
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Dan Patrick
You talk about Michael staying current. There are times when Charles may not know who's even playing in a game that he's watching. Now, it's funny to us, but you're the commissioner and this is your lead broadcast team or a studio show. How does that kind of settle with you when Charles may not even know who he's talking about?
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Todd
Well, I, I, I, that may be a little extreme. I mean, I, I'm down there a fair amount at their studio at Atlanta. I mean, he's watching the games. I mean, they made a decision to take an entertainment route with that studio show. I mean, I think ESPN was always about more hardcore basketball. Maybe NBC was somewhere in the middle in the old days. But it's an entertainment show, and he's entertaining and fans seem to love it. You know, sometimes he's a bit of the crazy uncle, I think, but even when he's, I think there's a difference when putting aside, you know, how focused he is on the game. My sense always when Charles is critical, it is a little bit like your uncle at the Thanksgiving table being critical. It's like there's no doubt it comes from a place of love. You know, I don't feel the same way about some of the other commentators, and I think it's just, it's, you know, Charles found a lane and he does it well. And it'll be interesting to see how that converts as, you know, they're now bringing that studio show to ESPN and ABC next year. I think, you know, we'll see how that works out. I mean, I, you know, I love the fact that those guys are still going to be involved in our telecast, but, you know, I'm not sure whether it will be produced differently for them or there'll be a different expectation from ESPN and ABC fans or watchers that maybe what people are seeing late at night on tnt, he's the commissioner of.
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Dan Patrick
The NBA, Adam Silver. You know, everybody gets caught up in ratings, and I just say, either watch it or not, you know, but the role that social media plays on your priority list, because this is a global game, and people may not watch the game, but they're watching those clips, you know, you're getting views there. But as the commissioner, you gotta, you know, pay homage to the networks. But where does social media rank on your priority list?
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Todd
Social media is high in our priority list. I mean, first of all, we've had something like a billion views so far globally on social media since the Finals have started. But also, to get back to your ratings point, I think what gets lost sometimes is just like social media is global, so are the telecasts of our games. And I understand people wanting to talk about our domestic ratings. And to the extent that the Ratings are down. That's a storyline or they're up there to storyline. And there is a correlation between market size more than I'm happy about. I was listening to Aaron Rodgers yesterday and he was talking about now becoming a Steeler. And he was saying now I've played for two of the most storied franchises, the packers and Steelers. But nobody stopped him to say, oh, those are small markets. And so maybe I'm jealous in a way from, from the NFL that that's never, you know, Steelers and Packers. The storyline is, it's unimaginable. It would be. Can you believe two small markets are meeting in the super bowl this year? Is two storied franchises. And in the NBA, I think because there was so much outsized success of certain franchises over the first several decades of the league, I mean statistic is roughly over the first 65 years of the league, three teams won 60% of the championships. And so it's understandable that Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, still globally have these huge followings because it gets almost passed on generationally. And to make ourselves more like the NFL, I think we're, we're moving in that direction where we have a system now where Oklahoma City and Indianapolis can compete in the same way that larger markets can because of a cap system and tax and all that stuff. So it's going to take us a while to get there. But I understand why ratings are part of the story. Now. The last part I'll say about social media, I do think something worth thinking a lot more about and getting more sophisticated about is how do you translate social media into a desire to watch live games? I'll give you just one example. I think we may have even talked about it. Last time I was on, Victor Wembanyama was in New York playing on Christmas and then played in Brooklyn a few days later. So he was staying in New York around that time. He's a chess player. He went to Washington Square park, played chess in the rain for 45 minutes. Within five days, 100 million people had viewed him playing chess. And it was just anecdotally. Anyone I would ask, because it was also on a lot of the morning shows, I said, did you see Victor? Oh yeah, that was the guy from France. He played. Now the question is, seeing that he also plays chess and he's by definition, you could say a multi dimensional guy. There's far more to him than ball playing. He speaks multiple languages. Even the fact that he's, you know, grew up outside of Paris, et cetera. How do we, as the league use that to bring people to the set to watch live games. Because I would say looking back, we've gotten distracted at times and forgotten sort of or I've forgotten that my core responsibility is to get more people to be passionate about NBA basketball and watch our games. That's what sustains our business. I mean, it's of course ticket sales, but ticket sales are as high as they've been in the history of the league. And there's not a lot more room to grow because our buildings are roughly 95% full. We have a global following. So there's enormous opportunity both through social media, but where the real value comes is from people watching live games. So I think we can do a better job using social media to bring people to the set to say tonight, 8:30, ABC, you know, game three, tune in. And to be more sophisticated about understanding is it. Would people rather see more about Shea Gilgeous Alexander's background, growing up in Canada, etc. The things he loves or do they want to see him, you know, working out what aspects of him are going to cause people to be more likely to be interested in watching the game tonight.
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Dan Patrick
Why does the All Star game have to be competitive?
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Todd
It's an interesting question because again, I was just talking about how jealous I am of aspects of the NFL. The Pro bowl at this point is flag football. And I think that fans seem to accept that it gets a good rating and nobody suggests that that's indicative of a lack of desire or passion by NFL players for whatever reason. In the case in the NBA, when we've tried other things and thought, all right, we'll go more entertainment route or whatever else the reaction is, I can't believe your players aren't giving their all for an All Star game. Or at least maybe they don't expect them to play like they would in the playoffs, but they're expecting a competitive game and so that's fair. Then we have to respond to that. And I haven't been successful, frankly, in the last few years. We tried some new things in San Francisco. I mean, part of it was there was a format issue. There was a huge stoppage of play in the final. You know, we had this round robin where, you know, there was a celebration around Turner, which they deserve, but I think the game lost all its momentum. So something you've talked a lot about historically is this USA world concept. You know, I watch what other sports are doing. The NHL had great success with the four nation face off. So we're, we're looking now for next year, we'll be in L. A. We'll be in the Intuit Dome, where the. The Olympics are going to take place in 28. And we're going to be on NBC, back to NBC for the All Star Game, and we're going to be smack in the middle of Winter Olympic coverage. So if ever a time to move to USA World, it's now. What we're toying with now and working with Andre Iguodal at the Players association is what's. What's the right format? Because I don't. I think straight up USA World probably won't work because although the number of international players is growing and it's roughly 30% of our league right now, it wouldn't be fair to pick the All Stars, 70% as one team, 30% is the other.
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Dan Patrick
So.
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Todd
So I think we're again playing off what the NHL did. Maybe there's multiple teams, maybe there's more than one USA team, but we can achieve that concept and I think create a sense of nationalism around it and again, feel like we belong sort of on the Sunday where it's otherwise Olympic coverage. So I'm hopeful that we can create something more competitive there.
- [42:06]
Dan Patrick
Do you have your wish list of expansion like the cities? Right now.
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Todd
There'S cities worth thinking about.
- [42:13]
Dan Patrick
How many cities would you say are on that wish list?
- [42:16]
Todd
Well, let me begin by saying it's not obvious to me we should expand. I think it's likely over time we will. And the reason I say it's not obvious is because as a global business, you know, where something like 2 billion people will connect with us on social media, over a billion people over the course of the year will watch some portion of the game. Adding another US City, arguably, it's unclear how much growth we'll get as a result of that. And when you're adding expansion franchises, you're diluting their competition. Two more. Let's say we expand by two teams. Two more teams that are going to be competing for those same players. And you're diluting your economics to the extent that we have locked in television money now for the next decade. You have two more partners. Having said that, I do believe certain markets potentially can be additive to the NBA. And that's what we're going to look at. And I think part of it is geographic. It's a big country, you know, making sure we're represented, you know, all around the country. And then over time, maybe there's more we can do in Canada. And Mexico City is a city we've talked about before. You know, I don't want to say specific cities today just because many have reached out to us to say they're interested. And I and our reaction so far has been thank you for your interest. We haven't taken any meetings with any cities. We have a board meeting in Las Vegas around the summer league in July. I know we're going to be talking about it then. I had been saying for the last several years, let us get through collective bargaining, which we did. Let us figure out our new media relationships, which we have. And that would be the time to consider it seriously. So that's what we're going to do this summer.
- [43:54]
Dan Patrick
But I, I'm retiring in three years. Commissioner will what? I'm retiring in three years. Will we have expansion in three years?
- [44:04]
Todd
I'm honestly not sure. I, whether if even if we were to announce we're engaged in a process, it's not clear to me at what moment they would start playing. But, but look this, I don't mean to tease people with this. This is the summer we're going to look at it seriously.
- [44:20]
Dan Patrick
I thought you'd be a little more emotional about my retirement. I mean, it's kind of blew right past that.
- [44:25]
Todd
You're like Michael Jordan. You've retired before.
- [44:29]
Dan Patrick
I'm not coming.
- [44:30]
Todd
Not real yet.
- [44:31]
Dan Patrick
I'm not coming. I'm not going to play baseball. Just going to let you know, not going to let you. But hey, thanks for joining us. Have fun tonight. And thanks again.
- [44:40]
Todd
Yeah, thanks, Dan.
- [44:41]
Dan Patrick
That's Adam Silver, NBA commissioner. I thought at least he'd give me a, like a parting gift, like a courtesy. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. Man, we're gonna miss you.
- [44:52]
Paulie
Don't do it, Dan.
- [44:53]
Dan Patrick
Yeah. How can I keep you? Maybe I could join the NBA.
- [44:59]
Paulie
I mean, I advisory council.
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Dan Patrick
Well, he tends to listen to some of my ideas.
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Paulie
I don't think that's dumb.
- [45:05]
Dan Patrick
Thank you.
- [45:06]
Paulie
That's a pretty good compliment.
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Dan Patrick
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Dan Flores
The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. Hosted by me, writer and historian Dan Flores and brought to you by Velvet Buck, this podcast looks at a West available nowhere else. Each episode I'll be diving into some of the lesser known histories of the West. I'll then be joined in conversation by guests such as Western historian Dr. Randall Williams and best selling author and meat eater founder Stephen Rinella.
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Dan Patrick
I'll correct my kids now and then where they'll see, say when cave people were here. And I'll say it seems like the Ice Age people that were here didn't have a real affinity for caves.
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Dan Flores
So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to the American west with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Lodd
I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
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Dan Patrick
Across the country, cops called this Taser the revolution.
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Greg Lodd
But not everyone was convinced it was that simple.
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Dan Flores
Cops believed everything that Taser told them.
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Greg Lodd
From Lava For Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season one, Taser Incorporated.
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Dan Patrick
I get right back there and it's bad.
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Greg Lodd
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Clayton English
I'm Clayton English.
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Dan Patrick
I'm Greg Lodd.
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Clayton English
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Sir, we are back in a big way.
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Dan Patrick
In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives.
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Clayton English
This is kind of star studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
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Dan Patrick
It's just the compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osbourne for brothers Osbourne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher, Brent Smith from Shinedown.
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Clayton English
Got be real from Cypress Hill, NHL enforcer Riley Cote, Marine Corps Corvette, MMA fighter Liz Caramouche.
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Dan Patrick
What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them.
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Clayton English
It makes it real.
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Dan Patrick
It really does. It makes it real.
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Clayton English
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Todd
Oh, my God.
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Dan Patrick
The play of the day. This is the play of the day. Check this out. Leading off the bottom of the 10th winning run at second base, Henry Deals, swinging the line drive right field Base hit for Jeff McNeil.
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Todd
Acuna rounds third.
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Dan Patrick
Hassels throw to the plate. Acuna races on by.
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Todd
No tag.
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Dan Patrick
Ball game. Mets win it again in 1054. New York over Washington, courtesy of the Mets radio network. That's your play of the day, brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. Express helps people in all industries find work, their sweet spot, logistics, roles. And Express never charges you a fee. To find a job, go to express pros.com Dylan, one of the back room guys, part of our gambling podcast, came up with the idea or was following the idea on social media. Nine beers, nine hot dogs in nine innings. And he and a couple of the back room guys went to the Mets game last night And Dylan accomplished nine hot dogs, nine beers in eight innings of work. But it did go to 10 innings. And then I thought, are you supposed to do 10, 10 in 10? And he said he was done with the ninth hot dog. Although being the journalist that I am, I found out that they stopped at White Castle to have a couple of hamburgers on the way home, finishing strong. Dylan, by the way, has been in the bathroom for most of the morning, just letting you know. He'll join us a little bit later on to recap the night with nine hot dogs, nine beers in nine innings. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. We'll hear from Aaron Rodgers coming up next hour. Stefan Diggs as well. We'll head to the US Open getting underway at Oakmont on Thursday. Chris Sims from Pro Football Talk will stop by as well, recapping a couple of things that the commissioner said. First of all, he was surprised that NBC was going to reach out to Michael Jordan and even said, hey, good luck. I met Adam Silver back in the late 80s and he was at NBA Entertainment. And, and so I've known him over 40 years. But I remember that they had a crew that followed Michael Jordan during the NBA Finals and, and really followed him a lot more than that. And I kept wondering, I never see that video. I never see the footage. And then all of a sudden we realized they were stockpiling all of this and then still waiting for Jordan to sign off and say, all right, let's make a documentary. And they finally did, and of course, she got the last dance. But Adam Silver was involved with that, with NBA Entertainment, the All Star format. It doesn't sound like it's cut and dried. It's going to be the United States versus the world here because you don't have the depth on the rosters with the world, but I'd still like to have that starting five against the United States. Starting five. He also brought up the TNT show Inside the NBA with Chuck and, you know, Kenny, Shaq and Ernie. And I think saying, I hope it doesn't become nuts and bolts. Now, he didn't say he's concerned, but I think that there's a. I hope that they keep this the way it is. Like, this is entertainment. Now, the other commissioner, David Stern, might have had a different view of Charles maybe not knowing everybody in the NBA. Yes, Marvin, yes.
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Clayton English
A little difficult when you have a.
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Dan Patrick
Segment called who he Play for, but it's entertainment.
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Clayton English
It's awesome.
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Dan Patrick
It's entertainment. ESPN can do the nuts and bolts, but I thought that that was interesting and expansion, because it feels like it's a foregone conclusion. But what he's saying is, wait, we got broadcast partners. You got teams. They already know how much money they're going to make. Now you bring expansion in. What are they paying to get in? And how are you divvying up the piece of the pie there? And he brought up Canada and he brought up Mexico City, so it didn't sound like a foregone conclusion of Seattle and Las Vegas. One hour in the books already on this Wednesday. Two more to go. Todd's here, Marvin's here, Seaton's here. Paula, yours truly. The back room, guys, Hour two on the way, right after this.
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Dan Flores
Why is a soap opera western like Yellowstone so wildly successful? The American west with Dan Flores is the latest show from the Meat Eater Podcast Network. So join me starting Tuesday, May 6, where we'll delve into stories of the west and come to understand how it helps inform the ways in which we experience the region today.
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Dan Patrick
Listen to the American west with Dan Flores on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What up, y' all? This your main man, Memphis Bleak, right here. Host the Rock Solid podcast.
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Clayton English
June is Black Music Month.
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Dan Patrick
So what better way to celebrate than listening to my exclusive conversation with my bro, Ja Rule?
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Clayton English
The one thing they can't stop you is or take away from you is knowledge. So whatever I went through while I was down in prison for two years through that process, learn, learn from.
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Dan Patrick
Check out this exclusive episode with Ja.
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Clayton English
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Dan Patrick
Open your free iHeartRadio app, search Rock Solid and listen.
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Greg Lodd
Now, I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1 Taser Incorporated.
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Dan Patrick
I get right back there and it's bad.
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Greg Lodd
Listen to Absolute Season 1 Taser incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Clayton English
I'm Clayton English.
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Dan Patrick
I'm Greg Lodd.
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Clayton English
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast.
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Dan Patrick
Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports.
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Clayton English
This kind of star studded a little bit, man.
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Dan Patrick
We met them at their homes. We met them at their recording studios. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them.
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Clayton English
It makes it real.
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Dan Patrick
It really does. It makes it real.
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Clayton English
Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs Podcast, Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Erica and Mila
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Dan Patrick
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