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Hour 1 - Luka's Technical Dilemma, Denver has TERRIBLE TIMING, Vincent Goodwill
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Tamara Judge
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Greg Rosenthal
It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Sam Mullins
Hi, I'm Sam Mullins and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy, the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.
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George M. Johnson
Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail.
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Sam Mullins
But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an ex con to a literary darling from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mary Kay McBrayer
I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now, women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice, and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Greg Rosenthal
I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is fighting words.
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Vincent Goodwill
Okay, I'll put the hammer back.
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George M. Johnson
Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.
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Vincent Goodwill
Part of the power of black queer creativity is the fact that we got us. You know, we are the greatest culture.
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Greg Rosenthal
Makers in world history.
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George M. Johnson
Listen to fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. We did it. We did it. We got nominated for a sports emmy yesterday. Right after the show, Paulie, in dramatic fashion telling us that we had been nominated for a sports emmy. Congratulations to all involved here. Certainly the studio audience here that we have called the danets in the back room, guys. And also you at home or in your car, all your support over the years. This is the sixth time this show has been nominated for a sports Emmy. We're over five right now. So we're due, right? No. Nobody. Yes, Paul.
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Tamara Judge
I think our buddy Scott Van Pelt is 0 for 6. So he's in the same wheelhouse like the Bills.
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George M. Johnson
Well, Scott Van Pelt will join us coming up next hour. We can commiserate there. Seaton.
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Marvin
There's a storyline here with this nomination. Now that is juicy.
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Tamara Judge
Okay, hesitate to bring it up.
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Marvin
I hesitated exactly 90 seconds. This is Marvin's first time being nominated since joining the front row.
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George M. Johnson
Okay.
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Marvin
Congratulations, Marvin. That's very exciting. Yeah, Marvin, that feels good. That would mean that it is our first time being nominated without Andrew Perloff, aka McLovin here.
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George M. Johnson
Wait, I don't do it.
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Tamara Judge
What are we clapping for?
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George M. Johnson
I don't know.
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Marvin
I don't know. I just felt right. So that would mean, man, if. If we somehow win this time with Marvin and not Andrew. It does beg the question, what was the difference between this time and the other five? Well, just saying that that is a storyline that some people here are kicking around.
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George M. Johnson
Okay. Did anybody get congratulated by McLovin? Yes, Paulie.
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Tamara Judge
Yes. I got a text 45 minutes after the nomination was announced. Quote, emmy's back on. Are you guys going to come into the city for the ceremony? Congrats. It's very thoughtful.
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George M. Johnson
Anybody else get a congratulations from McLovin?
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Marvin
No, no, I only get updates on shark attacks.
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George M. Johnson
Todd, what about you? I got a congratulations from Chase. Daniel. No, no, no. I said McLovin. I did not. Okay. That was the question. Marvin, how about you? Did McLovin reach out?
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Vincent Goodwill
He did not.
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George M. Johnson
Okay, well, we couldn't have gotten here to this point without McLovin. And maybe with Marvin, maybe this is, this is what's going to push us over the top. You're the, you're the addition. You're that magic, magic elixir here. Yes. Yes.
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Marvin
If we win this year, do we finally admit that Andrew was holding us back all those years? Fine. I'll just say it.
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George M. Johnson
Yes. Yes. I think so. Alrighty. Wait. This was supposed to be a positive.
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Marvin
Fun.
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George M. Johnson
Okay. And in case you're here isn't enjoying this, in case you're wondering what we put on our sports Emmy reel to get nominated when we had Stephen Wilson Jr. Singing in the studio when Josh Jacobs tackled Paulie at the super bowl, that whole encounter when Jerry west died, we put that on the tape. And Dion joining us at the super bowl, the National League All Star manager Tori Lavello when we had Paul Skeens on and the manager called in to tell Paul that he would be his starting pitcher in the All Star game. So that's what we put on our tape. And it's great, great being nominated. We got a sale going on right now. Everything is 50 off@danpatrick.com so go in and gobble things up while you can. Clearing out everything, new inventory coming up. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show first hour brought to you by Rapid Radios. They are the official walkie talkie of the show. They work on a nationwide LTE network. No subscriptions. Business owners stay connected with your employees anywhere. One touch of a button. Rapidradios.com up to 60% off free shipping. And once again, we'll be at the NFL draft. We hope you can join us. We'll be there for three days, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. And we'll be at the bar on Homegrown Way, about three blocks from Lambeau Field. First come first serve if you'd like to be in the studio audience on any of those days. And a meet and greet on Wednesday night at the same place from 4 until 6. The aforementioned Scott Van Pelt will join us from Augusta. Tim McMahon. He covers the NBA for the mothership because we got surprised yesterday. Michael Malone got fired. Vincent Goodwill, great reporter as well from Yahoo. Sports, will join us in about 15 minutes from now to tell us why this happened and why it happened with three games to go before the regular season comes to an end. 8773-DP-ROW email address dp@danpatrick twitter handle @dpshow Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner. Download the app if you haven't done so. And we say good morning to our radio affiliates as well. Watching last night, the Lakers against Oklahoma City. It was a great first quarter. You had Both teams scoring 43 points at the end of the first quarter, which is rare, certainly this time of the year, with OKC already wrapping up everything with home court advantage. But OKC won by 16. But this was a close game with 7:40 to go, and the Lakers led by one. Luca got ejected, and then OKC went on a 29 to 12 run. Now, once again, the Lakers were playing to win. Okc, I think, decided to play to win and. And end up picking up that victory. Now you have the Lakers. Now they're playing in Dallas tonight, and this was the game, so I didn't know how focused they would be in okc. I didn't know who was going to play in okc. Now you have this game where Luca's going back to Dallas, and it feels like this has been circled on the calendar of all hands on deck. We want to make sure Luca has a big night tonight. You may not be aware of this, but over the last five seasons, Luka Doncic has 73 technical fouls. That's most in the NBA, and he got tossed last night with a couple of technicals.
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Israel Gutierrez
This is the stat of the day.
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George M. Johnson
Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. There are times when I watch players and I go, why? Like, why does everything bother you? We had dan Hurley, the UConn coach, and he said, I don't know why referees, you know, bother me, but you let them bother you, then it affects you, and it affects maybe your coaching. This affects Luca's playing. You get caught up in this. Rasheed Wallace used to do this all the time. He just. It's almost like he needed it. Draymond Green. It's almost like that fuels him for some reason. And Luca gets involved with officials. He whines way, way too much. And really, a great player like that, you can send a message, but don't do it in a way that embarrasses an official. And you're, you know, jawing back and forth with a fan, and then the official thinks you're talking to him, you're talking to the fan, and then he runs you. I mean, come on, you're a franchise player.
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Vincent Goodwill
You.
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George M. Johnson
You can't be tossed in a game like this. And don't let everything bother you. And you don't deserve every call. And, yes, have I watched the NBA for 50 years, and do I see the great players and they seem to whine the most? Yes. But I don't. I don't know if it helps. You just imagine that official's human. So when you yell at him and you say something to him, how does he compartmentalize that and go, you know, I'm going to let him blow off steam? Really? I would think that you. If you're going to curry favor, then maybe go out of your way to not try to embarrass an official. You know, he's still young, but he's been doing this since he got into the NBA, and it's something he really has to be aware of. When LeBron retires your team and you know, they're watching you, you're the leader. Yeah.
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Marvin
See, if we're going to give an official pass for being human, don't we also have to do that with the player? If we're worried about how the referee, the official, is going to take those words because they're only human, we kind of have to do that with the player, too, right?
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George M. Johnson
Yeah, but the official doesn't know that Luke is talking to a fan. He. He thinks he's talking to him. His reputation put him in that position. So, yeah, there's the human element. But the official has the last word. No matter what you say, how you say it, when you say it, where you say it, that official has the jurisdiction to run the game and give you a technical and toss you from the game. So, yes, you can say what you want. It's like your children can say something to you. You're the official. You decide. Hey, timeout. Hey, ground you. So Luke has got to understand that official, whether he likes him or not, that's the parent on the floor. So you can say what you want to say, but this isn't free speech. Now, there's repercussions there. And to watch that last night, and he engages, but maybe it fuels him in all fairness to that personality. But that's just something he has to be aware of. You know, Draymond would do this. They get into the postseason, then he would. He'd get tossed. He'd have 16 technicals. And then all of a sudden, you get the next. You know, you just can't put yourself in that position there. And were they a beat? No, Clay. See, I don't know. But we know that they didn't beat him because he wasn't in there. And now you have this game Coming up tonight, you got to win these games. You know, these are so important. Back to Denver. They haven't played well since the All Star break. Reportedly, there was tension between the GM and the head coach, Calvin Booth, and Michael Malone. But, I mean, timing is everything. So you look at Denver in Memphis, the Grizzlies said goodbye to Taylor Jenkins, and he had done a great job with the young group, trying to keep them together. The Nuggets are just two years removed from a title. You have Michael Malone, who was there to help build them into something. And as I said, after they won the title, and then he got up there on the microphone at the parade, he was in his cups and he was saying, nobody's, you know, we're not going to let any of these guys go. And I go, yes, they are. This is what happened. Sometimes when you win, that's when your problems start. You would think that the hard part is winning a championship. It's once you win that championship, can you keep everybody? And Denver was not going to keep everybody. And I've said the last two years, we're going to look back on the malpractice that happened, that they did not surround Joker with bench players. Deeper bet that's how they won the title. They had depth, and they don't have that now. And Malone turned this team into a consistent winner. You know, they weren't underachievers. And we don't know the full story yet. Maybe we won't. But if you're going to make a decision like this now, you don't get many chances to roll the dice again. So it must have been really bad between the GM and the coach that they didn't get along, that you're going to fire both of them. That's rare because usually you go, okay, we're going to part ways with the coach. The GM is going to stay. But, you know, this was a fractured relationship. And, hey, Michael Malone's a spirited guy, and he's probably thinking, this guy just came in as our gm. You lost your previous GM who went to Minnesota. Now all of a sudden this guy, and probably was like, I don't want to be told, hey, give me a bench. Help me out here. And you could see frustration. Joker showed frustration on the bench. But three games to go in the regular season, and the odds didn't change on Denver, their title chances. So I don't know what that says. You know, maybe Vegas is saying, hey, it doesn't matter who's coaching. This team isn't going anywhere in the Postseason, maybe that's what they're saying, but the odds, they're long. But I don't know if people looked at Denver and said, you know what, they can win this thing. It feels like that we, we've given credence to the Lakers winning, Golden State winning and OKC winning. I think we've dismissed the Rockets because we feel like they're too young, and Denver because they just aren't consistent. You have the best player in the game, but they're, they're nowhere near what they were. Now maybe, maybe you're going now, this will spark them. Well, here is the owner of the Denver Nuggets, Josh Cronkey. On the timing of the firings, you know, outside of the decision, there was thinking around two separate things, you know, involving with the timing of it all. I think that, you know, the awkwardness of the timing with only three games left and then the playoffs looming. But, you know, it came to down to, to two factors. One, I have a complete belief and trust in our group of players that are in there, and I have complete trust and belief in our assistant coaches and their ability to step up into different roles. And maybe if their voices are a little louder in certain areas, maybe they can squeeze some of that juice that I've been talking about. Okay, good luck with that. They're just not a, you know, they're not a formidable team. Now. Can they have moments? Sure. But I'm curious and, you know, Joker has two more years and then I think there's an option. So it's around 55, 57, 59 million over the next three years. And then I saw there's already odds on his next team. Take a guess. The odds that came out yesterday, the team that, you know, Jokic is going to end up with. Yes, Paulie, The Dallas Cowboys.
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Tamara Judge
I'm joking. Because they're going to go to the one that gets clicks.
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George M. Johnson
No, no, it would be the Lakers. That's the one that gets. Yes. So it's the Lakers. And then the other one is. I think it's a home team back in Serbia. The odds for his next team, believe it or not. But, you know, and then I'm. I was told that he wasn't told that they were firing Michael Malone. I don't know how that's possible. Do I think that LeBron James didn't know Anthony Davis is going to be traded? I'm going to guess they ran it by him. Joker. I mean, this might be an impulsive move by ownership where they just go, you know, What? I'm tired of dealing with this. We're going to, you're fired. And maybe it was that, maybe it was just building, building, building. But therefore, I don't think Joker could be surprised that it happened, maybe that it happened right now because I don't think either, and this is one of those, we don't want to have Michael Malone stay in there. All of a sudden they go on a run. Like that's why coaches get fired sometimes during the regular season in the NFL because, God, if we win a couple of games, then we got to keep him. But Michael Malone is going to get another job quickly, probably in the next week or so. He'll, he'll get an opening somewhere. Somebody might bow out of the playoffs early. If the Knicks bowed out early, could Michael Malone end up with the Knicks? I could see that happening. You know, Memphis has an opening there and you know, he's a great coach. So he'll, he'll get a job here. All right. Vincent Goodwill, great reporter for Yahoo. Sports. He'll have more details on this. We'll get to phone calls coming up. Settle on a poll question question. A lot of things to dive into the masters par three contest today. We'll hear from Scott Van Pelt who will join us from Augusta. We're back after this. On the sports Emmy nominated Dan Patrick show, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, Steve Covino and I'm Rich Davis and together we're Covino and Rich on FOX Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course, the iHeartRadio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich? We talk about everything, life, sports, relationships, what's going on in the world. We have a lot of fun talking about the stories behind the stories in the world of sports and pop culture. Stories that, well, other shows don't seem to have the time to discuss. And the fact that we've been friends for the last 20 years and still work together, I mean, that says something, right? So check us out. We like to get you involved, too. Take your phone calls, chop it up, as they say. I'd say the most interactive show on Fox Sports Radio, maybe the most interactive show on planet Earth. Be sure to check out Covino and Rich live on Fox Sports radio and the iHeartradio app from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific. And if you miss any of the live show, just search Covino and Rich wherever you get your podcast. And of course, on social media, that's Covino and Rich.
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top one on one, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Israel Gutierrez
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
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George M. Johnson
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
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Israel Gutierrez
From the building of the corps that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport, I just.
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George M. Johnson
Felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.
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Israel Gutierrez
Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
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George M. Johnson
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it.
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Israel Gutierrez
Come revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.
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George M. Johnson
The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.
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Israel Gutierrez
Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Julie Stewart Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League, and I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
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George M. Johnson
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say. And not just about hockey.
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Julie Stewart Banks
Believe me, he does Energy line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's gonna be, well, it's gonna be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the energy line.
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George M. Johnson
We'll have plenty of folks join us, current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers, and wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
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Julie Stewart Banks
Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and. And try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
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George M. Johnson
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
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Julie Stewart Banks
Listen to energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bob Pittman
On November 5, 2018 at 6:33am, a red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in a ditch out in Sleep Hole Valley. The driver seat door was open. No traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle. No belongings were found, except for a cassette tape lodged in the player on that tape were 10 vile.
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George M. Johnson
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Bob Pittman
Grotesque.
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Greg Rosenthal
Oh my God. Oh my God.
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Bob Pittman
Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public until now. You feeling this too? A horror anthology podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Sam Mullins
In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published. And he was unlike any first time author KE Canada had ever seen.
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George M. Johnson
Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, has spent 24 of those years in jail, 12 years in solitary.
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Sam Mullins
He went from an ex con to a literary darling almost overnight.
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George M. Johnson
He was instantly a celebrity, he was.
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Tamara Judge
An adrenaline junkie, and he was the.
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George M. Johnson
Star of the show.
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Sam Mullins
Go Boy is the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.
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George M. Johnson
I had a knife go in my stomach, puncture my spleen, break my ribs.
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Vincent Goodwill
I had my guts all in my.
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Sam Mullins
Hands only to find himself back where he started.
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George M. Johnson
Roger's saying is, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one.
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Sam Mullins
Rod from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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George M. Johnson
We'll settle on a poll question. Got our play of the day coming up as well. I got the NBA title odds, the Thunder, they're the big favorites, followed by the Celtics. And it's basically a two team race according to Vegas. Then it's the Cavaliers, the Warriors, the Lakers, and then it's the Nuggets after that. Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports NBA writer, host of the Good Word podcast on Yahoo Sports Ball don't lie channel SiriusXM NBA Host what the heck happened in Denver yesterday, Vincent?
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Vincent Goodwill
Before we began, that was the greatest song ever written that you were playing coming out there on the bump. Stevie Wonders ad just put me in a really, really good mood. What happened yesterday shows that the NBA is very unpredictable. Like, you've seen more championship coaches fired in the short span than anybody. But this one is particularly, I guess you could say, bizarre. You were hearing over the past couple of months that Michael Malone was probably not going to be there after this year bearing something miraculous happening, bearing another championship run. And then after the All Star break, it just seemed to accelerate. Like the way that the team had performed, the losses they had, you know, the defense. And honestly, some of the things that he said in the post game press conferences kind of alluded to, man, maybe he lost his voice with the team to some degree and maybe that did happen. The total house cleaning was more shocking to me than Michael Malone and even the timing of it, because now you don't have a chief basketball executive, you don't have a head coach, and you're walking into arguably, maybe the play in tournament, depending on how these next few games shake out. Like, it's a lot of questions for what we consider to be one of the model franchises in the NBA and we don't have a lot of answers as of yet. I don't know if we're going to get the answers as clear beyond what we've been saying in writing over the past day or so.
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George M. Johnson
Any chance Joker wasn't involved in this?
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Vincent Goodwill
I don't think he ordered the Code Red. I don't think he did. The Colonel Jessup ordered the Code Red and all that type of stuff. No, I think in the NBA, Dan, you notice like, I know this, sometimes the star player is alerted and they have the opportunity to say, hey, that's not happening. I'm going to the wall for my guy, or whatever. That doesn't seem like Nicola Jokic and his type of personality. He's more or less the type that it seems like to me from a distance. I don't know him well. I don't know many people who do. That's more or less like, okay, if that's what you want to do, okay, fine. Like, he's not going to step in front and obscure what an organization wants to do. And besides, he doesn't want to pick his head coach anyway. He just wants, I'm sure, to be in a stable situation. And right now that looks like nothing but stable. Even though from what I understand, Dan, the players do like David Adams and they do, they do have. They have reacted positively to him throughout the season since he's been there.
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George M. Johnson
Do you make this move because you Think it's going to give your team a little bit of a bump going into the. I just. I don't know how that works. Where you go, hey, look what we did. Now go out and try to win.
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, I. There's a reason this is unprecedented because it doesn't work like this. There's a reason why, you know, the Miami Heat and you know, some of the other model franchises, they ride these waters out. But some coaches have different personalities too. And some coaches almost like from a certain tree of coaches almost, they run very, very hot. And Michael Malone ran very hot. And one of the concerns that I knew from the front office and from people and the note was that, hey, is he holding the top guys accountable? Is he playing those top guys too many minutes? Almost Tipsian, right? Like Jamal Murray, who has an ACL playing the career high minutes. Nikola Jokic, career high minutes. The numbers look great, but you run the risk, Dan, of that team wearing down throughout the course of a playoff run. Remember, they wore down in the last two games of that playoff run against the Minnesota Timbuws. They had nothing left. Jamal Murray, his legs were wiped out. Nicola Jokic looked wiped out. And if you're responding by playing those guys career hot minutes ain't no joke. That's going to happen when you change the coach or when the coach is still there. It's almost like this is going to be another tired run if there is some type of run. But it's really, really bizarre that it happened with three games left in the season. Not bizarre that they fired the coach.
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George M. Johnson
Yeah. The problem I had with this team, they win the title. I wanted to know they were going to lose bench players. I just don't think they restocked. And I called it malpractice because I said this team won't win another title. With Joker, you have the best player in the game and I just don't think that you gave him. You know, that's why they're playing these minutes, because maybe Michael Malone didn't have confidence in that bench. And that leads us to this Joker had a wonderful year. Murray is hurt. You're limping literally into the postseason. You don't have a coach and you don't have a gm. Other than that, how was your season, Nuggets?
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Vincent Goodwill
Other than how's the play? Mrs. Lincoln, like that's what this sounds like. But I understand this from this standpoint. They signed Michael Porter Jr. The third star, to a max contract under the old paradigm, under the old CBA where you didn't have punitive luxury tax penalties and fewer mechanisms that you could actually improve your team. Most teams don't have three max salary guys, including a big time max salary guy in yos. No matter how good you are. It is really hard in the financial reality of today's NBA to have three max guys and to build a team around, you have to hit on all of your draft picks. You have to have value signings. And they've done that actually. Like Christian Brown is one of those guys who's the most improved player candidate, like Calvin Booth actually restocked to some degree with value young players. Michael Malone didn't trust them. And subsequently, because you didn't trust them, you play your veterans more and you don't have any other resources.
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George M. Johnson
Luca last night getting tossed. Last five years, he leads the NBA and technicals with 73. I mean, you're not Draymond Green. You're not Rasheed Wallace. Why does he.
- [32:20]
Vincent Goodwill
Why is he not Rashid Wallace? Why is he not Draymond?
- [32:23]
George M. Johnson
Well, because. Are we sure he's one of the best players in the game? He shouldn't be Draymond Green and shouldn't be Rasheed Wallace. Why is he?
- [32:33]
Vincent Goodwill
I mean, look, he's a child prodigy. Like, I read his book, Not Shameless plug for my man, Tim McMahon, the wonder boy. But everything with him strikes out to me like a child prodigy. And those child prodigies, they act out a lot. They act out at people around them, they act out at fans. Luka Doncic is a. Is a chirper. He has ways that he goes about it. I don't think people love it and like it. I know that's one of the reasons that the Dallas Mavericks, they had a litany of reasons why they traded him. I don't know if I would have done it. They had a litany of reasons, and that was one of them. Getting distracted. And you know, remember the plays during the NBA Finals? He picked up his fifth foul in the fourth quarter of Game 3 in a play he shouldn't have. He ordered the team to challenge it. It was a bad play. It was a bad challenge. And then a few minutes later, he files out like it's these impulses in the moment. Now, granted, Dan, he was talking to a fan in that moment, but he had already drawn one technical file with that same official, thus eliminating benefit of the doubt. I feel like that's a theme in the NBA for the past couple of weeks with John Morant and now Luka Doncic. Some people don't have benefit of the doubt when you're. When you've eliminated lack of a good phrase. Goodwill.
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George M. Johnson
Speaking of which, Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports, NBA writer J's got a new celebration like he. Now he tosses the grenade.
- [33:57]
Vincent Goodwill
Hey, look, man, look, if he wants to go full rebel, go. Look, he's clearly going full rebel, full villain. And I find it hilarious, Dan, that the NBA, they didn't suspend him. They didn't find him immediately. They told him, hey, man, just don't do it again. And you want to know why they did that, Dan? Because they don't want to hurt him. They need him as a young face of the future. They just wanted him to stay on the floor a little bit longer to get people used to seeing him again without associating him with the nonsense. And what is the first thing that he does? 12 hours after receiving a warning, he goes out and does it on national tv. You're daring the league. You're daring Adam Silver, the most player, progressive commissioner in the history of professional American sports. You're spitting on him. Okay, fine. Go ahead. Find you $75,000. And people are still pissed off about that. They didn't suspend them. Like, we have to be honest about this stuff. If he's going to go full villain, go full villain. But then don't complain and say that everybody's against you. This is ridiculous.
- [35:02]
George M. Johnson
As long as he's not driving with one of his buddies and he's actually got a live grenade, then I'm, I'm okay with this. But you're right. Now all of a sudden, it's everybody's against Jaw. He doesn't realize he created all of this. I don't think people. He was a great feel good story. Came out of nowhere. And all of a sudden you watch him and you go, damn, this is. I mean, he should be one of those guys that we talk about with all of the greats of the game and we don't. And I hope that there's somebody who can. They don't have that veteran leadership there. You just fired your coach. I don't know what role he played in that, but, you know, I, you see these guys that they're in the embryonic stages of greatness, Zion, and I just don't know. You got a lot of money. You're not. You don't need to work for it anymore. And I just wonder if, you know, that's to the detriment of a lot of these younger players getting $50 million by the time you're 25.
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Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of expectation. I will say this for Job. I don't think from my reporting, from my gathering, he had anything to do with the firing of Taylor Jenkins. Like, so I won't put any. I won't put that on him. Just like I won't put Michael Malone on Nicola Jokic. I will say this, man, for the NBA. They want their next generation of young players, Ant Man Zion, Victor, Jock, to take the mantle from the old guys. This is the league that depends heavier on stars. So you're going to give star treatment to stars. The model is there. Step is going to play for 20 years. LeBron's going to play for 20 years. Kevin Durant's going to play for 20 years. They got all the money, all the fame. All they have to do is just, hey, don't play with guns on Instagram. Don't use laser pointers against the Indiana Pacers traveling party in a loading dock. Don't do dumb stuff. It's not that difficult. Nobody's asking you to be a model citizen. They're just saying, hey, go play basketball. Be entertaining. Be electrifying. Just don't make it hard for yourself. Don't be job versus Job. This ain't job versus the NBA. The NBA wants them to succeed. To succeed. Come on, man.
- [37:16]
George M. Johnson
What kind of reception will the Mavericks give Luca tonight? What kind of reception should they give him?
- [37:23]
Vincent Goodwill
What type of reception will the Mavericks fans give the Mavericks tonight? This is going to be a rough game in Dallas. That's what y'all are missing. This is going to be. It's going to be a lot of Laker Purple and gold in this building. I think he's going to, of course, get the standing ovations. I'm sure there's going to be a tribute video, you know, given to him by the franchise and, like, he made five NBA first teams in his first six years, carried him to the NBA Finals in the Western Conference finals. I think his relationship with the city of Dallas is solid. His relationship with the Dallas Mavericks is a different thing. So I am far more curious how the fans are going to react to the home team looking at the other side and seeing Anthony Davis and not seeing Kyrie Irving. Like, I think it's going to be an electric, sometimes angry atmosphere because they're going to be treated to all the things they miss. Dan, have you ever ran into an ex girlfriend and she looks finer than when she was with you? Have you ever seen that before?
- [38:21]
George M. Johnson
Yeah, the. The Revenge body.
- [38:22]
Vincent Goodwill
Yeah, the revenge body. You know, hey, some, sometimes guys have revenge bodies. I mean, maybe not Luca, but you know, some people have revenge bodies.
- [38:32]
George M. Johnson
I'm gonna leave you with this. Are we giving the Oklahoma City Thunder enough credit for one of the greatest regular seasons of all time? They have, they have 51 games where they won by at least 10 points. At least 10. That's the all time record. Previous record was the 1971-72 Lakers who won 33 in a row. Golden State in 2016, 2017. Milwaukee Bucks with Kareem and Oscar 70, 71. The Bulls with Mike in 95 and 96. Are we giving. Okay, I know we're waiting for. Well, let's see what happens to the postseason. That's it, right?
- [39:16]
Vincent Goodwill
Yeah. I mean, for one, double digit wins is a proxy of the three point shot and the importance of it. Like when you talk about Kareem's teams and the Lakers teams of the early 70s, they were doing that without the three point shot. So there's a little more, I guess you could say, equity that you can put into that being translatable to the playoffs. But we're trying to see if this franchise, that this team can finally get over the hump. And if you look at how they play against the Lakers the last, their last two games, you could say, man, we got, we got some doubts here. Like what does this team look like without Shay Gilgis Alexander performing like the mvp? Do you have a second guy that can take advantage of his matchup and create his own shot and make his own shot? I don't know if they're going to run through the Western Conference playoffs like they ran through the regular season. I wouldn't say I'd be surprised if they get to the finals, but I think there's a lot more competition in this bloodbath of a Western Conference to get to the finals. That I'll be impressed if they do so. More impressed than the winning by, you know, double digits and the highest net rating in NBA history and all that other type of stuff. Like they have to prove, prove it right now. And the thing is, Dan, nobody's afraid of them.
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George M. Johnson
Great to talk to you. Have fun tonight in Dallas.
- [40:31]
Vincent Goodwill
More Stevie Wonder, Dan.
- [40:32]
George M. Johnson
Okay, can't go wrong. That's Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo Sports NBA writer. He'll be at the game with the Lakers tonight, then he's got Knicks and the Pistons tomorrow, and then likely wherever the Lakers and Warriors are for round one of the postseason. Always great to talk to him. All right, we'll Take a break. Got to settle on our poll question. We got a play of the day coming up. Your phone calls as well. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
- [41:06]
Greg Rosenthal
What's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday. Keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [41:36]
Bob Pittman
On November 5, 2018 at 6:33am, a red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in a ditch out in Sleep Hole Valley. The driver's seat door was open. No traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle. No belongings were found except for a cassette tape lodged in the player on that tape were 10 vile.
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George M. Johnson
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
- [42:08]
Bob Pittman
Grotesque.
- [42:09]
Greg Rosenthal
Oh my God. Oh my God.
- [42:13]
Bob Pittman
Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public until now. You feeling this too? A horror anthology podcast. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:35]
Israel Gutierrez
I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.
- [42:45]
George M. Johnson
The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.
- [42:50]
Israel Gutierrez
From the building of the corps that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport.
- [42:57]
George M. Johnson
I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.
- [43:06]
Israel Gutierrez
Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.
- [43:13]
George M. Johnson
Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that, like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it, come.
- [43:19]
Israel Gutierrez
Revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.
- [43:24]
George M. Johnson
The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.
- [43:28]
Israel Gutierrez
Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [43:39]
Julie Stewart Banks
It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League. And I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson.
- [43:49]
George M. Johnson
I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey.
- [43:57]
Julie Stewart Banks
Believe me, he does. Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially linemates, Nate. We're the energy line.
- [44:08]
George M. Johnson
We'll have plenty of folks join us, Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has. She has quite the Rolodex.
- [44:18]
Julie Stewart Banks
Okay. We'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and. And try to do what energy lines are supposed to do. Provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that, Nate?
- [44:30]
George M. Johnson
I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.
- [44:32]
Julie Stewart Banks
Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [44:40]
George M. Johnson
Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to introduce a brand new season of my podcast, Math and stories from the frontiers of Marketing. I'm having conversations with some interesting folks across across a wide range of industries to hear how they reach the top of their fields and the lessons they learned along the way that everyone can use. I'll be joined by innovative leaders like chairman and CEO of Health Beauty, Tarang Amin.
- [45:05]
Israel Gutierrez
The way I approach risk is constantly.
- [45:08]
George M. Johnson
Try things and actually make it okay to fail. I'm sitting down with legendary singer, songwriter and philanthropist Jewel.
- [45:14]
Vincent Goodwill
I wanted a way to do something.
- [45:16]
George M. Johnson
That I loved for the rest of my life. We're also hearing how leaders brought their businesses out of unprecedented times, like Stephane Bonsell, CEO of Moderna. It becomes a human decision to decide to throw by the window your business strategy and to do what you think is the right thing for the world. Join me as we uncover innovations in data and analytics, the math, and the ever important creative spark, the magic. Listen to math and magic stories from the frontiers of market on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
- [45:49]
Tamara Judge
Oh, my God.
- [45:50]
George M. Johnson
The play of the day. This is the play of the day. Check this out. Celtics will not call timeout here. Down by three, nine seconds to go. Tatum into the front court. Tatum steps back away from Anoby 3 in the air.
- [46:08]
Tamara Judge
Got it.
- [46:10]
George M. Johnson
Jason Tatum ties the game with 2.9 to go. The Celtics went 19 for 49 from three point range. They already set the NBA record for most three pointers made most three pointers attempted in a season. They've also won nine consecutive road games. They're the best team on the road at 33 and 7. That's your play of the day. The DP show is headed to Green Bay. Broadcasting live. It's drafts at the draft with our friends at Miller Light. For 50 years. Miller Light, the top pick for beer lovers since 1975. The original light beer Update the poll results. Seaton, what did you go with with the first hour of this program?
- [46:52]
Marvin
Yeah, we got up there right now. League with the least job security. Major League Baseball, NBA or NFL.
- [46:59]
George M. Johnson
Okay, I have some data on this. You do? Yes, I do.
- [47:02]
Marvin
You have a definitive answer?
- [47:03]
George M. Johnson
Yes, I do.
- [47:04]
Julie Stewart Banks
What?
- [47:05]
George M. Johnson
Yes. So I'm not guessing. I have data. I have research. Since 2000, this league has the lowest average coaching tenure. Paul, start with you.
- [47:22]
Tamara Judge
I would guess the NHL. Seems like they bounce them pretty quick.
- [47:26]
George M. Johnson
NHL, Todd, what about you? MLB, Marvin. NFL, Satan.
- [47:36]
Marvin
MLB.
- [47:37]
George M. Johnson
It's NBA 2.9 years. NHL is second, just over three years. NFL, 3.2. Baseball has the best job security at 3.7 years. Believe it or not. Here comes that one stat of of the day brought to you by Panini America. Although I think we're seeing a little bit of a shift with the NFL. Feels like these GM's owners have a little bit more of a itchy trigger finger to fire your coaches, usually after three years. Yes, Todd, it's interesting. We can wink at that in the sports world, but in most lines of work, three and a half years to consider that, wow, you got a lot of job security. Three and a half years. You got to be there. Yeah. Yes.
- [48:28]
Tamara Judge
There's a stereotype, I'm not putting this out there, that Major League Baseball managers, what do they do? What do they. You've heard that before over the years, but they have the longest tenure.
- [48:39]
George M. Johnson
I don't know. I guess they look at a lot of data and then they fill out their lineup card and then they maybe get something to chew on, do some scratching, put on a uniform, go out to the mound. I don't know. Yes, time. Some people say that about the NBA or you're watching a college coach, they just screaming, play defense, box out. Like, obviously. Yeah, but they're involved in every play. Baseball manager, I don't know if they're how involved they are. Like, come on now. Come on. Base it. Come on now. Or you might yell at the umpire. But I. Yeah, I don't know football, and I could see that you're involved in that on the headset. You got a lot of things going on. But baseball. Baseball feels like it's all right. You know, I got 162 of these. Ah, I'm gonna leave him in. I don't think I'll go. You know, I need some. I need to get my steps in today. I'm gonna walk out to the mound. Hey, what are you. What are you doing? I. I got a one hit shot out. Yeah, I just came out, man. I. You try to sit in that bench, you know, in the dugout. I mean, it's boring. Yeah. Okay, Skip. Yes, Todd. But you got to bring the infield in. You got to do the shift. There's all kinds of things. Should this guy start warming up, we go to the righty. Yes. Paul.
- [49:59]
Tamara Judge
Do you think it's ever going to change where baseball managers don't wear full uniforms because they never play in the games?
- [50:06]
George M. Johnson
There are certain managers who shouldn't wear uniforms. Down through history, I saw a new.
- [50:12]
Tamara Judge
Thing that some managers don't wear the top, the jersey top. They wear just like a hoodie or something.
- [50:17]
George M. Johnson
I think that was Terry Francona who started that.
- [50:19]
Tamara Judge
Okay.
- [50:20]
George M. Johnson
With the Red Sox. And they wanted to know if he had his uniform underneath the hoodie. And he didn't. And I think they told him that you can wear that, but you have to have your jersey underneath. Yes, Marvin.
- [50:34]
Vincent Goodwill
The managers shouldn't have numbers. Like Joe Tory wore number six. I was like, man, that's a prime number that the manager has. Or like Billy Martin had number one.
- [50:42]
George M. Johnson
Yeah. When he was a manager.
- [50:43]
Vincent Goodwill
Like, man, you taking a really good number. Not like 78 or 44.
- [50:49]
Marvin
See, I feel like the manager should be number one. I'm the guy. I'm the manager. I'm number one.
- [50:53]
George M. Johnson
Well, Billy Martin thought he was.
- [50:54]
Greg Rosenthal
He was.
- [50:55]
George M. Johnson
He thought he was Rob or Bob in New York. It's Bob in New York. Hi, Bob. Hello. I had an idea. Could you have one of your award nominated crew check to see if Denver can actually drop all the way out of the play in with enough losses? Could that firing actually be also a badly thought out tank job idea by the ownership? I don't think they're tanking. And what are you tanking for? You're not going to get Cooper Flagg. I mean, you know, maybe you get Jace Richardson or something. I. I don't know. But no, I don't. Now, I do think that there's the odds of them not making the playoffs are a little more interesting than you would think. Yeah. Paulie.
- [51:47]
Tamara Judge
Yeah. The. The Denver Nuggets have 47 wins. There are four teams with 47 wins in the West, a team with 46 wins. They could go from right now being the five seed to a play in game by losing two games in a row.
- [52:01]
George M. Johnson
Okay. If they. If they lose their last three games, I thought that there was like 13 to 1 odds that they don't make the playoff. There. There was. There was a. I think if you.
- [52:12]
Tamara Judge
Count the playing game as not the playoffs.
- [52:14]
George M. Johnson
Yeah.
- [52:15]
Tamara Judge
If they lost the rest of their games, they could end up in a 9, 10 playoff game and have a one game season.
- [52:20]
George M. Johnson
Okay. Connor in Chicago. Good morning, Connor. What's on your mind?
- [52:25]
Vincent Goodwill
Hey, buddy.
- [52:28]
George M. Johnson
5 9. A hard 180 new member of the DDC club starting in January. So cancer sucks. Go to the doctor, guys. Second thing probably pace of play at the golf course, dudes. Brian Harmon. My good Lord. People, please pick it up, dude. Get to the ball. Swing away. It's not that complicated. You hit so many balls throughout the day. Probably best thing, I think, in this like 15 second shot clock or something when they approach it and stuff like that or something. I don't know. All right. Thank you, Connor. Yeah. You got to speed it up a little bit. You just do. There's certain golfers, and if you've ever played with somebody who's deliberate, even if you're playing the weekend and you got the guy who lines up his putt all different angles, you know, they. I played with a guy who got down on his hands and knees. And I went, no, we're not. We're not doing this. And he was digging into the green when he was doing it with his shoes. And I was like, mike, Mike, no, come on. It's my routine. It's my routine to tell you. Mike. No. Yes. Paulie. Yeah.
- [53:38]
Tamara Judge
Brian Harmon has the reputation as a slow player. The other day he was in a. NBC was covering him. He was in a bunker. He was just standing there for two straight minutes waiting for the wind to come from a bunker. Chef.
- [53:50]
George M. Johnson
Yeah. And it was in San Antonio, where it gets windy. And he ended up winning, too. He won the British Open a couple of years ago. He sent me a golf ball. I think he's the. Is he the first PGA Tour player to have two hole in ones on the same day? And he sent me one of the golf balls that I have autographed there. As I thought, hey, why don't you send me one of those things. Scott Van Pelt will join us from Augusta coming up. And more on the Lakers heading into Dallas. Hour two coming up.
- [54:21]
Tamara Judge
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Greg Rosenthal
It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm ready to fight. Oh, this is Fighting Words.
- [55:25]
Vincent Goodwill
Okay, I'll put the hammer back.
- [55:26]
George M. Johnson
Hi, I'm George M. Johnson, a best selling author with the second most banned book in America. Now more than ever, we need to use our voices to fight back.
- [55:36]
Vincent Goodwill
Part of the power of Black queer creativity is the fact that we got us. You know, we are the greatest culture.
- [55:43]
Greg Rosenthal
Makers in world history.
- [55:46]
George M. Johnson
Listen to Fighting Words on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [55:55]
Mary Kay McBrayer
I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [56:56]
Sam Mullins
Hi, I'm Sam Mullins, and I've got a new podcast coming out called goboy, the gritty true story of how one man fought his way out of some of the darkest places imaginable.
- [57:06]
George M. Johnson
Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, had spent 24 of those years in jail.
- [57:11]
Sam Mullins
But when Roger Caron picked up a pen and paper, he went from an ex con to a literary darling from Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.