Hour 1 – Michigan Crowned, Jay Bilas

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 1 – Michigan Crowned, Jay Bilas

Date: April 7, 2026
Podcast: The Dan Patrick Show
Host: Dan Patrick & The Danettes (Fritzy, Seaton, Marvin, Paulie)
Key Guest: Jay Bilas (ESPN College Basketball Analyst)

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Episode Overview

This episode airs the morning after the NCAA men’s basketball championship in which Michigan clinched its first title since 1989 by defeating Connecticut 69–63. Dan and the Danettes react to the game, examine how Michigan built its championship roster, discuss evolving trends in college basketball recruiting and team construction, and debate coaching changes and their impact. The hour includes insightful commentary from ESPN’s Jay Bilas on the state of the game, plus reactions and questions from listeners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Michigan’s Championship – Game Recap & Analysis

• Opening Thoughts:
  • Dan calls Michigan’s team "grown men," distinguishing between simply “tall” and truly “big” players (02:13).
  • "Michigan looked like an NBA team as far as the age of those players... There's a difference in having tall guys and big guys." — Dan Patrick (02:13)
• UConn’s Performance:
  • Despite poor shooting, UConn stayed competitive through offensive rebounding and defense.
  • "Connecticut kept it in a total point total that I thought they could win it..." — Dan Patrick (06:43)
• Shooting Stats:
  • Both teams combined for just 34% from the field, second-worst in a title game since 1950 (06:43).
  • Michigan: 2 for 15 from 3-point range but 25 of 28 at the free-throw line.
• Key Factors in Michigan’s Win:
  • Dominance in the paint and at the free-throw line.
  • UConn’s three-point struggles and foul trouble.

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Shifting Blueprints: How to Build a Champion Today

• The Rise of Transfers and International Players:
  • Dusty May built Michigan largely with transfers and older players, including international talent.
  • “Recruiting is no longer…let’s just get all these great high school players.” — Dan Patrick (10:47)
  • "Coaches are now...recruiting somebody who could be 21 or 22 years of age; you still gotta make it all fit together." — Dan Patrick (11:36)
• Comparisons to Other Blueprints:
  • UConn (Dan Hurley) used a mixed approach: few McDonald’s All-Americans, many experienced transfer/role players.
  • The John Calipari/Kentucky “one-and-done” model is being eclipsed by teams prioritizing experience.

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Notable Coaching Changes & Trends

• Michael Malone Hired at UNC:
  • Dan’s “insider” scoop about former NBA coach Michael Malone taking the North Carolina head coaching job. Malone is expected to target international talent due to his Jokic/European connections (09:00).
  • Dan notes that Billy Donovan turned down UNC, confirmed by his sources.
• Coaching “Blueprint”:
  • The panel debates whether there’s a “proper” formula for championship basketball. Current trends prioritize transfers and older, experienced players versus “homegrown” high school recruits.

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Fan & Staff Reactions: Ethical and Aesthetic Debates

The Transfer/Assembly Model – Is It “Right”?

• Fritzy & Todd Express Reservations:
  • Comparing it to MLB’s Yankees (buying talent) vs. “farm system.”
• Dan’s Take:
  • "However you win—that’s all that matters. Like, you don’t go, boy, aesthetically that doesn’t look good."
• Jay Billas Insight (23:46):
  • “It’s always shifting...if you win with a group that you had, that's the blueprint...If you win with five starters that are all transfers...then that's the way.”
• Loyalty & The Transactional Era:
  • Jay Billas pushes back on the notion that the transfer portal/NIL era killed loyalty: “If you don’t like transfers, don’t take them. If you don’t want to pay the players, don’t pay them at your school and see how it works out.” (26:33)
  • “The control they had [coaches] was deemed to be illegal by the United States Supreme Court.” — Jay Billas (26:33)

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Jay Billas Interview – Major Quotes & Moments

Summing Up the Championship Game

• "It was a defensive battle more than anything, really physical. Neither team shot the ball really well, but Michigan...dominant in the paint.” — Jay Billas (22:10)

Changing Recruiting Blueprint

• "Now international players are going, ‘Wait a minute, I can make more money in college?... I’ll come over.’ Not every international player is going to flood the system, but it’s an option." (26:33)

On Coach Dan Hurley’s Legacy

• “You could argue that he did a better job because his team wasn’t quite as talented...came within a couple of possessions of it.” (28:38)
• “Coach of the Year is probably the least important [award].” (29:24)

On Loyalty & Culture Despite Transfers

• On Dusty May at FAU: “His whole team stayed with him...in an age when people say it’s transactional, there’s no loyalty, they all stayed. They only left when Dusty left.” (29:45)

Coaches’ Carousel & NCAA Hypocrisy

• “[College coaching hires] would never happen in the NBA or the NFL...everyone talks about tampering with players, but tampering with coaches is overlooked.” (30:52)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:13: Opening—Michigan's win analysis; difference between "tall" and "big" players
• 06:05: Dan Hurley postgame quote on UConn’s effort and offensive rebounding
• 09:00: Michael Malone to UNC discussion; pipeline to international players
• 12:54: Poll questions about Michigan’s win and transfer-heavy teams
• 22:10: Interview with Jay Billas—summary of the championship game
• 23:46: Discussion on modern "blueprint" for winning in college basketball
• 26:33: NIL/transfer portal impact; international recruiting; Supreme Court decision
• 28:38: Evaluation of Dan Hurley’s season and legacy
• 29:45: Dusty May’s impact at FAU and Michigan; loyalty in a transactional era
• 30:52: Commentary on college coaching carousel and NCAA practices
• 33:44: First listener calls with analysis of the championship game's turning point
• 44:40: The “Dusty May Contract Game” — speculation about his future salary/rank

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Memorable Listener Interaction

• Callers Identify Turning Points & Debate Coaching Jobs:
  • Andrew from Washington singles out the “hook and hold” flagrant as a key moment; other fans ask Dan which coaching jobs are now truly top five and which championship teams are most “forgettable” in hindsight.
• Listener Hannah’s Request:
  • A stay-at-home mom requests Fritzy to do a “SportsCenter tease,” highlighting the community feel of the show (36:25).

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Play of the Day (43:19)

• Description: Key Michigan defensive play and a rare three-pointer in the title game’s decisive moments.
• Notable Stat: Michigan’s 25 made free throws were the most in a title game since 2009.

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Standout Quotes & Exchanges

• On Team Construction:
  • “Recruiting is no longer, in my opinion, let’s just get all these great high school players...Give me somebody who’s done this, not somebody who I think can do this.”
    — Dan Patrick (10:47)
• On NIL and “Buying” Teams:
  • “If you don’t want to pay the players, don’t pay them at your school and see how it works out for you.”
    — Jay Billis (26:33)
• On Dusty May’s Impact:
  • “...Putting together a starting 5 of all transfers is smart or dumb? Well, I think last night answered that question as well, didn’t it?”
    — Fritzy Seaton (13:42)
• On the Changing Meaning of “Loyalty” in College Sports:
  • “They only left when Dusty left. And I thought that said a lot about their program and the kind of culture he believes in.”
    — Jay Billis (29:45)

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Structure of College Basketball Going Forward

• Experienced transfers and international talent are now the dominant team-building strategy.
• The value of “homegrown” high school classes is lessened; results matter, not aesthetics.
• Big coaching hires increasingly come from the pro ranks or go global in recruiting.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode succinctly breaks down Michigan’s tough, physical win over UConn and the strategies behind modern championship teams in the NIL/transfer era. The insightful Jay Bilas interview provides context for how the game’s trends are evolving, while listener calls and “The Danettes” keep the tone lively and personable—offering a complete look at the shifting college hoops landscape.

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Next Up:
Top of next hour: Interview with Michigan head coach Dusty May; more reactions from Reggie Miller and Jalen Rose.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

Ah, welcome to the program. Dan and the Dan Eds. Dan Patrick Show. Little sleep deprived but ready to go. Everybody's here. Fritzy Seaton, Marv Paulie, yours truly. The Back Room guys as well. Congratulations to the Michigan Wolverines as they knock off Connecticut 69, 63 and for entertainment purposes. Connecticut covered the six and a half, first title for Michigan in basketball since 1989. So you get the women's champion, UCLA, you get the men's champion, Michigan, and you get Indiana football for the Big Ten, taking all three. All right, we got phone calls coming up. Eight, seven seven, three DP show got a busy show. We'll talk to Jay Billis from the mothership coming up. Dusty May, Michigan head coach, will join us in an hour from now. Reggie Miller stopping by and the former fab fiver Jalen Rose will stop by. We'll have a poll question. Play of the day Stat of the day. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. First hour brought to you by Rec Tech. Our meat Fridays got a whole lot better. You got more heat, more consistent temperature control and you got a grill that, well, it's built like a tank. It'll last for years. ReTech r e c t e q.com check out our starting lineup there. Nothing compares to cooking on a Rec tech. There were a lot of things I thought when I'm watching the game last night. First and foremost, Michigan look like an NBA team as far as the age of those players. And there's a difference in having tall guys and big guys. So like a big guy, just different, looks like a grown man as opposed to somebody who's just tall. And Michigan was front and center with that. I don't know if the background there, the, the shooting background that I talked about yesterday. If you haven't shot on a basket where there is depth perception, you don't know what that feeling is like. And even if you do shoot on that for a couple of games, couple of practices, it's still a little bit jolting there. But there was some bad shooting last night, certainly with the Connecticut Huskies, you know, relying on their three point shot and it wasn't there. It's amazing Connecticut stayed in that game. But I'm going to give credit to offensive rebounding and, and just sort of the grit of Connecticut because I thought Michigan was a far better team than Connecticut. But the best team doesn't always win. And there were a couple of moments where if you make a hoop, now all of a sudden it's down to four, but then they go back and then they make a hoop. Now all of a sudden it's a five point turnaround. So Connecticut was in that game and they didn't play well at all. But getting, you know, Michigan dominated in the paint, three point shooting was really bad for Connecticut. And, you know, it cost them in the end. Also, free throw shooting. Michigan went to the line and they made those free throws. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Michigan, weirdly, 2 for 15 from 3, 13%. But at the free throw line, Michigan, 25 of 28. 89%.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, hitting those free throws, they hit a couple of threes when they needed to. Dominating inside block shots, altered shots as well. And, you know, Dan Hurley didn't sound devastated. I think he was really proud of what he saw. Because I've said before, much to the chagrin or dismay of Connecticut fans, I didn't think it was a great team, individual talent wise, but the sum of it was a great team. What they did, how they did, when they did it. And here's Dan Hurley after the game.

[Dan Hurley]

You know, it's hard to be upset with your team. You know, we lost the game because we missed. We missed. We didn't make enough shots. But it's hard to be upset with your team when they get 22 offensive rebounds versus that team. I mean, that's just how hard we just played to hold, you know, that. That team to 38% from the field. But obviously the, you know, the guys picking up two fouls in the first half, losing those three guys, when we had thought had a great chance going to the locker room with the lead, you know, really put us in a bad spot. But, you know, it's hard to be disappointed in your team when they fight so hard.

[Dan Patrick]

And Connecticut kept it in a total point total that I thought they could win it, because I said, if it's in the 60s, they can win it. They're not going to win it in the 80s. Give credit to Michigan. Michigan beat Connecticut at their own game, kept it in the 60s and won that game. Michigan and Connecticut combined to shoot 34% from the floor. That's the second worst field goal percentage in a title game since 1950. The only game that had a lower shooting percentage was 2011. Connecticut and Butler combined to shoot 26% from the floor, and Connecticut played great defense throughout. If you include the title game, Connecticut has held tournament opponents below their season average for 29 consecutive games. That's the second longest streak in NCAA history. This is the start of the day, and this is a Michigan team that scored the second most points in a tournament run in history. The only other team was UNLV, that was 1990. They scored 571 points. Michigan scored 541. But though we'll talk to their head coach, Dusty May. He'll join us in an hour from now. Marvin, how you feeling today?

[Marvin]

You know what? Tough loss last night, but I couldn't have been more proud of those guys. They were playing against the team. They were. Michigan was the better team. If UConn had lost to Purdue a couple years ago, I would have been upset because we were better than him. But last night, those guys played hard. They were within striking distance the entire time, and we didn't get embarrassed like Arizona did.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Any tears last night?

[Marvin]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Your wife?

[Marvin]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Marvin]

Like when you lose to a better team.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Marvin]

My wife goes, they have goatees and muscles.

[Paulie]

That's their nickname.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jay Billis]

They've.

[Dan Patrick]

They've got some older guys on that team. Hey, but Dusty May did what you're. He didn't do anything that anybody else couldn't have done. He took advantage of it. He took advantage of the rules here, getting players overseas, players that used to not be eligible, but Nil has made these players eligible that they can have professional experience. Illinois did this. And by the way, Mike Malone is the new head coach at North Carolina. It was surprising. I wasn't shocked because I told you on March 25th, my college basketball source gave me the usual suspects. You know, who was going to get this job? Dusty May. And I said, no, the athletic director is not going to let him go. I got that on, you know, through reliable source. Okay, well, Tommy Lloyd, then, from Arizona. Yep. I think he's in play. Nate Oats at Alabama. Yes, I think he's in play. Bryce Drew. Yes, I think he's in play. And then my source at the very end of his text message to me goes, here's a name for you, and nobody's going to talk about this. I think this might work out. And he said, mike Malone. So when I said that on the show, I'm going. I'm going to get crushed in North Carolina if I say, hey, and keep an eye on Mike Malone, who's been an NBA coach. He was a college coach back in the 90s, and I'm thinking now he's an analyst on the Mothership. He was the Nuggets head coach. And here we are, Mike Malone. Michael Malone is the North Carolina head coach. And this is what's going to happen, college basketball fans. Michael Malone is going to do what Illinois did and some of these other schools are doing. He's going over to the Balkans and getting some of those big boys. Keep in mind, you know, Joker, he. He helped develop Joker and the connections with Jokic, his agent, to the, you know, Serbia to the Balkans. That's what's going to happen. They're coming. He's bringing those players over. And I'm just curious about now. His intensity survived 82 games. His intensity can survive 30, 35 games at North Carolina, but, boy, that was a long haul. And I was told Billy Donovan yesterday declined the opportunity. From what I was told, Donovan wanted to wait till the end of the Chicago Bulls season. The Bulls cleared house yesterday, except for Billy Donovan. But Michael Malone is North Carolina's new head coach. And I don't know if there's a proper way to build a contender now, a championship team. We'll talk to Jay Billis about that. But it certainly feels like, I mean, you know, keep in mind Michigan didn't get these great players. You got this guy from uab. You got. This guy's a backup center at ucla. Like, they just kind of pieced it together. But this is recruiting. It's just different than recruiting in high school. Now you're recruiting and you're getting somebody who could be 21 or 22 years of age. You still got to make it all fit together. And this is what Dusty May did. Recruiting is no longer, in my opinion. Hey, John. John Calipari's blueprint at Kentucky is, let's just get all these great high school players. I want, you know, proof of concept here. I've said this all season long. Give me somebody who's done this, not somebody who I think can do this. And coaches are. Now, look. Look at Connecticut, Dan Hurley, he might get one McDonald's All American, but then he's going to be piecing it together. He's going to get guys who have played elsewhere. That seems to be the blueprint. But we'll talk to Jay Billis about that coming up. All righty. Seaton poll question for hour one is

[Fritzy Seaton]

what this will make you happy. Didn't Todd has a couple of fun options. This is called polls that don't quite work.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Jay Billis]

Okay.

[Fritzy Seaton]

So I'm going to do my best to represent these here for Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay?

[Fritzy Seaton]

Did Michigan win it last night or did Luka Yukon lose it?

[Paulie]

Classic sports rating.

[Jay Billis]

Classic.

[Dan Patrick]

Michigan won it.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Michigan won that game for sure. Yeah, he's got another one here that says, how big of a hit did Dan Hurley's legacy take by not winning three titles in four years? Major hit or a significant hit?

[Dan Patrick]

Zero. Yeah.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Zero.

[Dan Patrick]

Zero. Right. That team was not the second best team in the country, but give him credit for what he got out of that team. Now, I think it Adds to his legacy. It doesn't detract we've got here.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Putting Together a starting 5 of all transfers is smart or dumb. Well, I think last night answered that question as well, didn't it?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think you can be dumb.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, I think what Fritzi is trying to say, based off what he's been saying for four days is, is it off putting to see a team win with a bunch of transfer senior type guys?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, he did bring that up this morning. I go, oh, this is. However you win that, that's all it matters. Like, you don't go, boy, aesthetically, that doesn't look good. We got all these guys from all over the country, all over the world, as opposed to doing it the right way, recruiting kids out of high school,

[Todd]

I will acknowledge that. You have to find that talent and recruit and all that, and then piece it all together. These guys don't know each other and put it all together and then win a championship. That's impressive. But on first glance, when I saw that graphic that all five came from all over the place and weren't, you know, initially in Michigan for whatever reason at that moment, I'm like, yeah, see,

[Fritzy Seaton]

yeah, but if you're a new coach, you've only been there for a year or two. Let me. Is the idea, Todd, that you're asking for, let me stick with the guys that got the other guy fired and once they cycle out, then I'll bring in my guys.

[Todd]

That's fair.

[Paulie]

I just.

[Fritzy Seaton]

I guess you can't do that.

[Todd]

I think I'm living in the baseball farm system world where teams that win based on bringing up their own guys is more special than the evil empires of the Yankees and Dodgers. And just trying to buy people from a different place.

[Jay Billis]

Well, that's how I feel.

[Dan Patrick]

Kind of different than the Dodgers. But I understand what you're saying. Whatever it takes to win, as long as I'm not breaking rules and Michigan wasn't and Illinois wasn't, I'm okay with that. Timings everything. Starbucks, knowing that we're probably going to be a little sleep deprived, perfect timing, said, hey, you guys want to try these new energy refreshers available today? And I said, yes. And so I have my energy refresher here, and it's designed to uplift you, give you low power. You know, when you have that down moment in the afternoon. And I've been a Starbucks fan for a long, long time. Venti chai with almond milk.

[Paulie]

You're og?

[Dan Patrick]

I am, yeah. They know me when I go through the drive through. But if you need that little pick me up after work or even after a sporting event because that was a late night. Yes, it was 8:50 and it felt a whole lot earlier than 9:20 Eastern.

[Paulie]

So yeah, we're a little sports tired today.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, yes. But they have, you know, great refreshers with great taste. I got the, let's see, I got the mango strawberry lemonade energy refresher. So I should be good to the. I already feel alive.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paul, so the danger when you're watching a game late night is you I'll just watch the last quarter in bed or the last 10 minutes in bed. Then you risk falling asleep with four minutes left in the national title game. You got to stay upright, you got to stay in a couch. Yeah, you kids out there got to learn.

[Dan Patrick]

So yes, you have to pace yourself. You take that afternoon nap and then all of a sudden you're ready to go and then you pay the price the next day. So I'm not waiting till this afternoon to get my little lift here. I've got it right here. And you can order at Starbucks today. The new energy refreshers delish, as the kids would like to say. Yes, Todd, you do start doing that

[Todd]

math once it gets to 11:12. If I fall asleep right now, I'll get five hours sleep. If I fall asle right now, I'll still get three and a half hours. And then before you know, it's like you took a 45 minute nap before you're starting the work day.

[Dan Patrick]

How about we take a break? We'll settle on a poll question. Phone calls 8773 DP Show Email address DP danpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show Once again, Michigan head coach Dusty May. Top of the hour. We'll talk to Jay Billis momentarily. Reggie Miller wants to brag about the UCLA Bruins. Jalen Rose wants to brag about the Michigan Wolverines. We'll, we'll let everybody play in the sandbox today. We'll take a break. Just getting started. Operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your calls. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show.

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[Jay Billis]

It was a defensive battle more than anything, really physical. Neither team shot the ball really well, but Michigan, even with the Axel Linda board compromised with an injury. They were just too big and too strong. They dominated the pain. I haven't seen this very often. Damn. But in the first half, I can't remember the exact number. I think they scored 33 points and all their points were either in the paint or from the free throw line. They didn't score a bucket outside the paint till about 14 and a half minutes to go in the game. And they just, you know, their defense was excellent, their rim protection was good, their lane protection. It was a, there was a really hard fought game. It wasn't the prettiest game I've ever seen. And both teams shot the ball much better in the semifinals than they did the final. But the fact that UConn could shoot like 31% for the game and still, and give up as many free throws as they did and be in foul trouble and still make it a two possession game at the end was, was pretty impressive.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And I was wondering, you know, if you said the final score was what it was, I'd say, oh, Connecticut might have won. If it was going to be in the 80s, then I would say Michigan was going to win. Michigan proved that they could play in the 80s, play in the 60s and getting the points in the paint. But Connecticut was always lingering there. Offensive rebounds kind of kept him in it. But. And I also wondered about this after watching what Michigan did, what Illinois did. What is the blueprint now moving forward for building a championship caliber team?

[Jay Billis]

Well, I think it's the same as it's always been. You know, you want to get the best players you can get. And we see it in different ways. You know, when John Calipari was at Kentucky and Duke has been doing this, they get great young talent and they certainly have brought in and had some older players around, whether they're transfers or retention guys. But you know, it kind of depends on who you talk to. You know, if a team wins with, with a group that they've had, that's the blueprint. Then a team like Michigan wins when they've got five starters that are all transfers, even though Namari Burnett was there last year, well, then that's the way. And if you win with one and dones, well, you got to have pros. You know, it's so it's always shifting. And that's one of the odd things about college football and college basketball is these narratives that around the game, you know, and the narrative now is it's all transactional. As if it wasn't transactional before you had to sign a letter of intent, you recruited and brought in and there was a set of rules and all that. It was transactional then too. You can't have relationships. Well, every team that lost in the NCAA term was hugging each other and crying in the locker room. So the idea that just because they're paid now, it's, it's, you know, it's different and you know, now they don't care as much and all that stuff is just nonsense. And you know, I mean, I don't want to beat this to death, but you know, it kind of made me laugh the way we talk about players. And then recently with all the coaching movement, you know, nobody says anything to coaches about loyalty and commitment when they signed long term contracts and they leave skid marks on these schools when they get about a better opportunity and one player transfers and all of a sudden it's loyalty or you can't go through adversity or all this nonsense and, and I don't understand why we keep doing that. Maybe it makes us clutch our pearls and feel better, but we need to stop doing that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think it's, you know, they've lost control. You got, you know, they, they're all control freaks. So they're used to controlling their rosters. Now they don't have control. Now they're lamenting. They, you know, we missed the old days. Well, the old days, that wasn't fair to the player. And I'm wondering about what we saw with Illinois. You know, Michael Malone going to North Carolina, he's going to tap into Nicola Jokic, his agent and his pipeline here. So that's why I wondered, are we going to see more of the overseas players who can be professionals and then come over here as well? That's why with Illinois and Michigan, how they built their rosters more Illinois. But is. Would that be a safer bet that doing that as opposed to trying to recruit somebody out of high school?

[Jay Billis]

Well, it'll be, I mean, it'll be more prevalent. You may see it more because you can make money in college now. So now international players are going, wait a minute, I don't need to stay here and play for less money in their home countries or their home regions when they can come and go to college and play in this system. So it's an option for them. Not every international player is going to flood the system. In the United States, and we've had international players forever. We've got a few more of them now, and Illinois got more of them than just about anybody else. But that is akin to the one and done. And now that we've got the transfer portal, doesn't the one and done argument seem kind of quaint? Now nobody's complaining about that. We got something new to complain about now. But you know, to me, and you mentioned control, and I get it, you know, football and basketball coaches are kind of control freaks. But, you know, they had their way for a long time and the control they had was deemed to be illegal by the United States Supreme Court. So they're going to have to do it a little bit differently. And really, if you don't like transfers, don't take them. And, and you hear now nobody talks about education anymore. Not true. But if you want to talk about education, talk about at your school. You know, if you don't want to pay the players, don't pay them at your school and see how it works out for you. But with the coaches making 8 million, $9 million a year, all that stuff, it seems kind of ridiculous to moan about. You know, somebody said, and I don't know what, what, I don't know what the roster cost Michigan, and I don't care. Some people may. And that's fine. But somebody said it cost them $10 million to put that team on the floor. Their coaching staff makes more than that. And does somebody want to argue that the. That somehow Yaxel Linda Borg is not worth as much as their top assistant? I would. I would. I would contest that. I think that's true.

[Dan Patrick]

The job that Dan Hurley did this season, as opposed to the other two championship runs,

[Jay Billis]

you know, you could argue that he did a better job because his team wasn't quite as talented and as dominant and had a wonderful chance to win a national championship. They came within a couple of possessions of it. You know, that's one of the things about Coach of the Year awards. I never know what they mean. You know, do you give Coach of the Year to the guy that has the best team and. And Dusty May in the Big Ten was, should he be Big Ten Coach of the year because they ripped through the league and won it, or should the guy win it who had the lowest expectations and exceeded those expectations, even though the expectations are from the media and we're not supposed to know what we're talking about? I don't know. I don't know who you give that to. So those are the. I don't know whether coaches love those awards or not, but. But of all the awards that we give out, I think Coach of the Year is probably the least important.

[Dan Patrick]

And the job that Dusty May did, that, I mean, that's pretty remarkable turnaround. But, you know, Florida Atlantic, you know, when he went to the Final Four, then he waited another year, which. That's usually when these guys, you know, jump off the ship and, you know, head to a luxury liner here, which was surprising. He was waiting for the. The right job.

[Jay Billis]

Yeah, maybe so. But one of the great things about Dusty when he was at Florida Atlantic and. And I heard. I heard you promote that he's going to be on later. One of the great things was when he decided to stay the next year, his whole team stayed with him. So that Final Four team came back and stayed at Florida Atlantic. In an age when people say it's transactional, there's no loyalty, they all stayed. They only left when Dusty left. And I thought that said a lot about their program and the kind of culture that he believes in and he fosters. And I know you know this, but, you know, he was a manager for Bob Knight at Indiana. And one of the things he and the other managers, I know a lot of those guys, what they used to do, they used to have to go get Knight. All the quirky things that he liked to eat like non yeast donuts and, and Knight used to drink these crazy concoctions of like Dr. Pepper and lemonade and they had to do that. And one of the things I've never asked Dusty is, all right, now that you're a head coach, what do your managers have to do for you? So I, I would love to hear that. I'm sure it's not as quirky as night, but that would be kind of interesting.

[Dan Patrick]

Did North Carolina basketball have a good day? Y day?

[Jay Billis]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, one of the things that nobody heard when everybody was reporting on it was Michael Malone's name. You know, everybody was focus. The media was focusing on. Okay. They're going after, you know, Billy Donovan and Tommy Lloyd and, And you know, Dan, what happens in these situations every single time and why the college system is so screwed up? Because this would never happen in the NBA or the NFL. A job's open and coaches are named, mentioned, contacted, and they squeeze more money out of where they are and they leverage it as they should because that's just smart business. But I can't imagine why the NCAA doesn't have a rule that says there's no tampering with coaches. Like we talk about tampering with players who are not under contract and have a transfer portal. That's not tampering. There's tampering with coaches. These guys are under contract, but everybody accepts it because if somebody takes my coach, then I'm going to go take somebody else's coach and I want to be able to do that. And the domino effect of that affects a lot of people's lives, including a lot of players lives, and we continue to do this. But Michael Malone is an outstanding coach. You know, you know, he did a. He coached in college. He coached for Pete Gillen at Providence and, and coached at Manhattan under Bobby Gonzalez. So he's. He's been in college before. It's been a while, but I think with the current state of things, having a pro coach is going to be a far easier transition than it might have been, you know, 10, 15 years ago.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanks for your contributions this year during the season. We appreciate it, Jay, and thanks for

[Jay Billis]

all you do for the game. Dan,

[Dan Patrick]

are you being serious about that? Because it sounds.

[Jay Billis]

Of course I am. You're a national treasure and you know, you know, I still have a signed picture that you gave me and rather egotistical gift that you gave me when we were both at espn, but I treasure it.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, that doesn't sound like me that it would be egotistical. I was just. You seem like you were having a bad day, and I just wanted to pick up your spirits. I gave you, you know, Mean Joe Green. You know, when he gets the Coca Cola and he gives the jersey to the little boy, that's kind of. That's how I felt.

[Jay Billis]

Yeah, but that jersey was worth something. You could have taken that on the market. You know, that's just that this is just between me and you. But it is a treasured memorabilia item that I own.

[Dan Patrick]

It'd be nice if you put it up behind you. That'd be nice.

[Jay Billis]

You know what? I should. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that. That's a good call. I'm gonna do that.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Jay.

[Caller]

All right, brother.

[Dan Patrick]

Jay Billis from the mothership. So Jay was there in Indianapolis last night, Got up this morning, flew home, and then said that he would come on the show. So we appreciate that. A couple of phone calls in here. Andrew in Washington leads us off. Good morning, Andrew. What's on your mind today?

[Caller Andrew]

Good morning, Dan Dennett. Thank. Thank you for taking my call, Marvin. Sorry about your Yukon Huskies, Dan. I see the turning point in the national championship at 318in the first half when Alex Cariban had a foul called on him. It looked like a simple on the floor foul. They go to the monitor, they call it a hook and hold. They do it a flagrant foul. So it was 25, 23 at that time. UConn Michigan makes both free throws, just 25, 25. They get the ball back. Linda board makes a layup.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Caller Andrew]

They're up by two. Okay. UConn doesn't score. They come back, Morris scores. It's a six point turnaround. What was the game ended at a six point deficit. So I really look at that as a turning point in the whole game. After that point, UConn never tied or led the game again. They look discombobulated after that, like maybe one of their ways or physicalities was taken away from them. And I just think that was a turning point in. In the whole game after that hook and hold, flagrant foul. That was just a bad call.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I think towards the end of the first half was a big turning point for me. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Yeah. That play is very weird because now with replay, when caravan does the pin down on the guy's arm, they try to avoid that because of shoulder injuries. And it was a normal foul call. But once you go to replay, the refs have to look at it and say Is he holding his arm down on purpose? And it's almost like I have to call it, weirdly.

[Dan Patrick]

Chris in Syracuse. Good morning, Chris. What do you have for me?

[Caller Chris]

Thanks, Dan. A couple comments and a possible poll question. Yeah, For Connecticut. What a difference between Geno's postgame rant and Dan Hurley last night. And it's kind of bizarro world. Who would think the Big Ten has a dominant year in basketball and the Indiana Hoosiers have nothing to do with it. And the Big Ten also has a dominant year in football and the Hoosiers have everything to do with it. And off of Wemby hurting his ribs last night. Dan, a question for you and maybe a possible poll question for Dan Nation. Which player would you miss seeing play the most in the playoffs? And which team do you think would miss the player in the playoffs the most? Wemby with the spurs or Luka with the Lakers?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm going to say Wemby because I think that team can play for a championship. Luca. I mean we've seen that. I don't know if the Lakers are formidable. Even when everybody's healthy. I think the spurs can be formidable. Watched a little bit of joker. Another overtime game, put up another monster night. You know, the MVP odds. It's over. It's SGA's, it's, it's not going anyplace else. SGA is going to go back to back here with the MVP. Hannah and Des Moines or Desmonet. Hi, Hannah.

[Caller]

Hi, Dan. 58140 first time, long time. I'm a stay at home mom and I watch your show on Peacock Every morning. My 2 year old son actually dances to the Dan House theme song when it comes on. I was just calling to request that Fritzi work on a sports center tease for us. Oh, thanks, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, Hannah requesting a SportsCenter tease.

[Todd]

Todd, we can do that.

[Dan Patrick]

You can whip that up.

[Todd]

Let's do it.

[Dan Patrick]

Been a while since we've had that.

[Todd]

It has been a while.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Yeah, Hannah, we'll do that for you. We take request here. By the way, Marvin lost the celebrity bracket challenge because Connecticut lost. Guy Fieri, who joined us yesterday, ended up winning. Guy did reach out to me this morning and he said, hey, I know you're gonna have my son Ryder on. He's a big college basketball fan. He's a student, I believe, at San Diego State. And if Guy had lost, Marvin would have been on Diners Drive Ins and Dives. Guy said you'll still be on Diners Drive Ins and Dives. Okay, man, that's cool.

[Marvin]

Thank you so much. Guy.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Jimmy in Michigan. Hey, Jimmy, what's on your mind?

[Caller]

Hey, Dan, kind of buckling off what you just mentioned on the batter, the

[Dan Patrick]

poll there since his son's going to be there.

[Caller]

Maybe a meet Friday with Guy Fieri. How about that?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, we'd love to have Guy come in for meet Friday, but that guy is busy. I saw that firsthand in New York and I saw it in Connecticut where I was kind of around him for half a day. Who he is, he is moving. He is. Got a lot of energy there. Jim in Pennsylvania. Good morning, Jim. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Yeah, I was in. Good morning. I was calling to see what you thought now are the five best head coaching jobs in college basketball and what factors you use to rank this would be nil. Money, facilities which don't seem to be as important anymore. Prestige Conference.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you talking about the actual job itself or the person in the job?

[Caller]

The job itself.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, you know, that's tough to say because North Carolina used to be one of the coveted places and it didn't turn out that way. Now coaches flirted with that, but I, you know, they, they were reaching out thinking, hey, Dusty May will be interested or Tommy Lloyd's going to leave Arizona. Nate Oates will leave Alabama. Like, yeah, Billy Donovan's going to want this job. Then they find out that they didn't and then that's that. Reality check. Coaching Duke is, is one of the top five, but it'd be hard to rank them though because his Michigan now one of the five best coaching situations. It wasn't two years ago, but you got to get money. You have to have a coach who understands what does it take to win. Now I can recruit. I have the support of the athletic department, the chancellor, the president, the collectives. I got nil. I understand the portal. I'm not afraid of going outside the United States. If you get all of that, then you got a great opportunity there. But I as far as ranking like is Kentucky a great job? There's a lot of pressure on Mark Pope. There used to be like, man, Kentucky, ucla, is that a great job? Indiana used to be a great job. Like we have a lot of used to be's. We'll take a break here. Dusty May, national champ, top of the hour. Play of the day is next.

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[Dan Patrick]

The play of the day. This is the play of the day. Check this out. Press the fight on the inbound. Michigan gets it up. A floral game. And then Reed bats the ball away. And it's a steal. Reed takes it away, flips it behind. The shot won't go under the basket. And it would not fall for solo ball on a bounce up the floor. Johnson on the run. Bobbles it, gets it back to Gale. Gale kicks it out to McKenna, breaks free of his defense, launches a three. And he hits. Oh, my. That could be the play of the night for Michigan. It was. That was a big, big turnaround. McKinney. One of just two three pointers made by Michigan. Michigan scored 36 points in the paint. They had 25 made free throws. That's the most by any team in a title game since North Carolina back in 2009. That is your play of the day. Play of the day, brought to you by the folks who've been doing it for over 40 years. Tirerack.com is the way tire buying should be. Ship fast and free. Backed by free road hazard protection. Convenient installation options like mobile tire installation. Tirerack.com the way tire buying should be. Let's play the Dusty May contract game. Oh, yes.

[Paulie]

This is fun.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, do I have any music for the Dusty May contract game? All right, here we go, Dan.

[Paulie]

Okay, I've got the list of the 40 highest paid college basketball coaches currently. Where does Dusty May fit on the list and what does he make approximately?

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, we're gonna start with Todd.

[Todd]

He is 17th on the list and he makes 13.6 million.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, that's it. That's a lot. All right. All right. Seaton,

[Fritzy Seaton]

man, that's a hell of a line to start at, I'm gonna think. I'm gonna say that 13.6 is closer to what he makes in three years.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Fritzy Seaton]

I think that he's probably somewhere in the 30s on the list.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin.

[Marvin]

I think he's 24th. He makes about $4.5 million a year.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm gonna say he makes 5.6 million this past season, which would put him 11th on the list.

[Paulie]

Dusty May is the 32nd highest paid coaches in college basketball.

[Dan Patrick]

Bloop to seaton.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Nailed it.

[Paulie]

$3.6 million. So Fritzi was only off by 10 million.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, so close.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Well, you're doing after taxes. Todd is doing before taxes, so that's the difference.

[Paulie]

Now, you did get some bonus money for last night, obviously. Okay, here's the question. Let's put it this way. Mick Cronin makes 6.1 million at UCLA. Not a lot of titles. Where does Dusty Mays eventual raise get him to want the closest to the hole we're playing?

[Dan Patrick]

I would say whatever is ninth on the list.

[Paulie]

Ninth would be Tommy Lloyd at Arizona was last year. He was making 5.2, so 5.2 would be the ninth spot. I'm going 6.2 even.

[Dan Patrick]

And that'll put him in the top five.

[Paulie]

And that will put him ahead of Mick Cronin, fellow Big Ten coach.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Ish.

[Dan Patrick]

Ish. Yes. All right, well, that's the Dusty May contract. He'll join us at the top of the hour. Zach in Knoxville. Hi, Zach. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Adp, thanks for taking my call. Still mourning the loss of last night, but I think the biggest difference in the game was just the defense on the inside. Mara kind of made it hard for Terrence Reed to get comfortable. And I. I just want to ask you. Michigan never really had that signature moment or any. You know, they're good, but not great. Who's. Since 2000, who's probably like the least memorable national champion that we've had? Looking at the list, I saw Louisville and Baylor and I just wonder if you had any thoughts on that.

[Dan Patrick]

I haven't thought about that. I'd have to look at the list. You know, Baylor is not a typical basketball school. Maybe a little more football than basketball. You know, you didn't have the signature player. That usually helps. Yes. Marvin.

[Marvin]

Yeah, that Louisville team, they really didn't have anybody that even played in the NBA. I think their most outstanding player was Luke Hancock.

[Dan Patrick]

Outside shooter.

[Marvin]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jay Billis]

Wow.

[Marvin]

Like Russ Smith. A bunch of good college players, but none of them became NBA players.

[Dan Patrick]

You can look at the most outstanding player the last 15 years. There are not a lot of big names who have been the most outstanding player. And usually it's not the best player on the team who ends up being the most outstanding player. That was the case, you know, last night with Cado being the most outstanding player. Same. Would you update the poll results?

[Fritzy Seaton]

Absolutely. I would be happy to. Let's see, we've got one of Todd's up there putting together team. Starting 5 of all transfers is smart or dumb. 63% have that as smart.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Fritzy Seaton]

Sometimes you have to do that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. You know, and win a championship.

[Fritzy Seaton]

People get fired, people get hired, people transfer. You got to field the team.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. It's no different than trying to bring in five recruits. You know, these are, these are recruits in a different way. Now, any other poll questions? We're only going with one seed.

[Fritzy Seaton]

We're going with that one for the first hour. We'll have a new one.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Fritzy Seaton]

After the break.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right, fair enough. Jalen Rose, Fab Fiber. He'll join us. Coming up, Reggie Miller. Reggie, texting me late last night. Hey, I want to make sure we talk about the UCLA women's team. I go, I know you went to UCLA and you picked them to win the title. That's not a big, you know, oh, my God moment. Come on. But Reg will join us in the final hour of the program. 877-3-DP-SHOP email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow Big announcement. Coming up in about 45 minutes on the program. Big announcement. Big show. Changing announcement. Everybody hits that mid morning moment where a little boost would really help. And that's where the new Starbucks energy refreshers come in. If you already love Starbucks refreshers, these have the same bright, fruity taste now with the added boost of caffeine. How about strawberry acai or Pink drink? A little extra kick. Or maybe Mango Strawberry Energy Refresher or Mango Dream Energy Drink. So when a little lift sounds good today, try the new energy refreshers at Starbucks or order one right now on the Starbucks app.

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