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Chris Mannix
don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.
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Podcast Announcer
It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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Brendan Haywood
People.
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Chris Mannix
We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little. NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.
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Dan Patrick Show Announcer
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.
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Chris Mannix
Ah, welcome to the program Dan Patrick Show. Chris Maddox filling in this Friday for dp. That's right, boys. I'm back. Good to see you guys. Been a Minute thinking about this before I came in. Had to have been at least six years before the pandemic when I was last sitting in this chair. Perloff, you're looking great back there.
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Dylan
Thank you, Chris.
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Chris Mannix
I like the beard. Seaton, you're doing something with your hair these days.
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Chris Mannix
Little tan. Little tan. A little bit darker. Good to see all you guys. Paulie, had a great talk with you.
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Paulie
Always good to catch up. Yeah. I'm checking my notes here. I got April of 19, the last time you were in the big chair.
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Chris Mannix
Okay. Wow. So, yeah, good. Almost seven years now. Wow. Long time been doing anything. Oh, you like you guys did, you know, you went your separate ways with other NBA people for a while, but, like, I'm like, thanos. You just. You always come back to me.
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Paulie
Omnipresent.
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Chris Mannix
Omnipresent. Always back there. Great. Great to catch up with you. Paulie, my Vermont neighbor. We talked for a good five, six minutes, and then Fritzi came in and gave me one quick half hug, turned around and went away. It was, hey, how's life, Chris? I said, good, you turned around, you left. No, for my minimal kindness that we like to joke about.
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Brendan Haywood
Yeah.
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Paulie
Paulie, he walked up to you, he hadn't seen you in seven years, and he goes, hey, how's life? And as he's saying the word life, he's turning back, turning his head to you and going back to his little coat.
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Chris Mannix
Very busy, very busy guy. And I stepped out of the studio for a moment. He followed up with everything. Good. That was the follow up from Fritz. He didn't. Minimum kindness, minimum interest, though I give him credit for that. Like, didn't seem to have any interest in hearing about what was going on in my life. And I appreciate that.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paul, now you've been a part of this show for a long, long time. You've been our NBA guy. Boxing, you've hosted at least seven or eight times, I think, over the years. But a lot of changes for you the past five years.
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Chris Mannix
Lot of changes. I am mostly a Californian now. I live out in Los Angeles. Got married a couple of years ago and had a kid six months ago to the day. My son, six months old today. Big day for young Miles Mannix. Miles Mannix.
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Dan Patrick Show Announcer
Yeah.
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Chris Mannix
Miles Mannix, six months old. He's like 30 pounds. He's massive. He's got my height, hopefully. He's got my wife's athleticism. She's people that don't know, former professional boxer. And she's got the athleticism in the family but but excited to be back here with you guys. Looking forward to being here with you over the next three hours. Looking forward to Game two of the NBA Finals tonight. ABC spurs and knicks spurs down 0 down 1 game to none to the new York Knicks and looking forward to Brought to you by Tire rack for over 40 years Tire rack has been helping customers find the right tires for how, what and where they drive. Shipped fast and free. Backed by free road hazard protection with convenience installation options like mobile tire installation tire rack.com the way tire buying should be so in game one we saw the San Antonio spurs get punched in the mouth. They had the 14 point lead in the third quarter. They blew it. They rallied to take the one point lead in the fourth quarter and they blew it. Now we see what the spurs are made of in a series like this. Now we see if they can punch back. We'll see if Victor Wembanyama can punch back. Wembanyama stat line look great in game one. 26 points, 12 rebounds. But he was 6 of 21 from the floor. He settled for way too many jump shots in this game. He was part of a defense that allowed the knicks to score 50 points in the paint. How many times has a Victor Wembanyama led defense given up 50 points in the paint? At times during game one he was flat out outplayed by Carl Anthony Towns and I don't think he responded well physically to that matchup. That can't happen again. The spurs are not winning this series unless Victor Wembanyama is the best player on the floor. I don't think that's too hot to take. But they're not winning the series unless he's number one. He also can't do it without some help. And when I'm talking about help, I'm looking directly at de' Aaron Fox. I'm looking at the two time All Star, the former clutch player of the year who was flat out awful in game one. Three of 13 from the floor, seven points, three turnovers, five fouls. This was a guy that the spurs traded for to be the number two option on the team. He was brought in from Sacramento. He was expected to be the veteran presence, the guy alongside Wimpy. He has not been that for most of the postseason. Had A great Game 7 against Oklahoma City, helped them get to the finals, but other than that he has not been consistent. Played 38 minutes in game one. He can't be playing that many minutes if he's this ineffective. Played 11 plus minutes in the fourth quarter, can't be playing that many minutes if he's this ineffective. The guy that needs to be playing, the rookie, Dylan Harper. Dylan Harper needs to be getting those minutes. Harper played 28 minutes in the opener. If De' Aaron Fox gets off to the kind of start we saw him get off to in Game 2, those numbers needs to be flipped. I mean, it's strange to say, but the two time all star former clutch player of the year should not be playing over the 20 year old rookie. Not the way Fox is playing now. We know he's got the ankle injury that's obviously inhibited him during the postseason, but it's not time to trust the veteran in this situation. It's time to play the best players. And if de' Aaron Fox is not playing like that, then you can't play him. He's shooting 42% from the Fuller in the playoffs. He's shooting under 30, 30% from three. The leash on De' Aaron Fox needs to be really short going into this game too.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, the second half of game one, I think the spurs had 21 points in the third, 19 in the fourth. Is it anything more than just being tired compared to the Knicks not being tired or was there flaws with their attack?
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Chris Mannix
I think fatigue was a factor, especially for Wembanyama. Two for nine from three point range. That tells me that his legs weren't all the way there. Watching that first quarter, you know, within the first five or six minutes, there were moments where Wembanyama was grabbing his knees. And that's not something that's encouraging if you're San Antonio. Look, he's a unicorn. He's a unique player. The fact that he's 7 foot 4 and can pull up from 28ft, that is a valuable asset. But you also need him in the paint. You also need him drawing fouls on Carl Anthony Towns, I think in the third quarter when he got out of the locker room. And the what? Towns picked up three fouls in the first, like five, six minutes, the third quarter. That's the guy we need to see for the first 24 minutes of this game. He's got to be more in the paint. I do think fatigue was a factor in this one. And I'm not sure that gets much better with less than 48 hours of rest. But Wembanyama's got to be more in the paint.
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Paulie
Yeah, Brunson got all the coverage from Game 1. How good was Carl Anthony Towns? You cover the sport.
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Chris Mannix
He was great. He was great. And Cat Takes a lot of flack. I mean, it was like less than a year ago we were having a conversation about trading Cat for Giannis Tendokounmpo. You know, before the start of these playoffs, we were probably having the same conversation. Hell, down 2:1 against the Hawks, we're probably having that conversation, but here we are. And I don't think the Knicks would trade Cat for Giannis straight up right now, the way he's playing. Not right now. Not up one, zip. Yeah.
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Dylan
Dylan, do you think Cat's performance looks even better in comparison to Chad's seven against Wendy?
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Paulie
Oh, Chat. Catching strays early Chat.
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Chris Mannix
My apologies, Chad. It's bad. It's bad because everybody's looking at it and saying, hey, that's the way Chet Holmgren needs to play now. There are, there are physical differences to the two, right? Like Cat's a grown man. Cat is a full fledged power forward slash center who is, is comfortable going to the basket. He's a 30 year old man. Chet Holmgren's in his early 20s. Chet Holmgren is still filling out his frame. He's probably, he's never going to be as big as Carl Towns, but he can get 10, 15 more pounds on that frame. But more than anything, like, it's the mental part of it for Chet Holmgren. Like Townes looks at at Wembanyama and says, I'm going right at you. Does not hesitate for a second. He jet Holmgren and looks at Wembanyama and looks like he saw a ghost.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, I think you're right. The guy, a guy like Carl Anthony Towns, he actually thinks he's as good or better than Wemby, whether he is or not, but he believes it that way. And Holmgren felt like he was, he was done before the halftime. It felt like he was receding back and trying to stay out of the moment.
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Chris Mannix
Well, Holmgren, I would compare it to a professional boxer that goes up against someone that kicked their butt in the amateur ranks a lot, where it's like you. And this matchup with Wembanyama has been dating back to international tournaments. Like they have a history there. And while Chet's teams have been successful in some of these tournaments, Wembanyama has been the better player. So I think Chet's got it in his head that he's just not on that level. Yeah, Marvin.
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Chris Mannix
I mean, it's true.
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Brendan Haywood
He does not like me.
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Chris Mannix
He does, he's not a fan Like Wemb and Wemby. One of the things I love the most about Wemby is he walks the walk and he also talks the talk. Like a lot of guys after playing. Certain players are playing at a certain level, they'll be humble about it. Jalen Brunson, after a great finish to Game one, didn't say much after game two. When Wembanyama has a big game, he talks about it. When Wembanyama wants to win it, wants to win mvp, he's selling himself for it. He's out there trying to let the voters know that he belongs in that category. I think the stuff with Chet is as much mental as it is physical. I think he shrinks in that moment. And that is priority number one for Oklahoma City going into next year.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, I got a couple fallout questions for you from game one. You don't think that Johnson, the coach of the spurs, benches dear and Fox, do you?
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Chris Mannix
Benches?
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Paulie
Not benches. That's a wrong word. Does not start and maybe start.
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Chris Mannix
No, he'll start him, but I think there's a very short lease. This is interesting because I think for these coaches it is a chess match. Now, I thought Mike Brown got the better of Mitch Johnson in game one. I think he surprised him with some of these matchups. I mean, going into the series, I think the conventional wisdom, and I talked to a lot of former coaches, other coaches about this. The conventional wisdom was you play Wembanyama with OG Anunoby. He is the 6 foot 8, sturdy guy. Smaller players have had some level of success against Wembanyama and Cat doesn't have this great history as a defensive player. I think they were caught off guard by Cat getting the start on Wemby and then Mitchell Robinson getting some of the reps. They went big on Victor Webman, Yabba, and now it's going to be on Mitch Johnson to make that adjustments. It's play calling. It's. It's design. It's everything. They also have to be more physical with Jalen Brunson. This was a big takeaway for me from the game.
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Dan Patrick Show Announcer
What was.
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Chris Mannix
What were some of the reasons that the spurs knocked off Oklahoma City? One of the biggest ones was how physical they were with Shea Gildas, Alexander. They were picking him up almost full court. Steph Castle was getting minutes on him. He was staying on him. You saw Carter Bryant get like 10 good minutes of hounding him. He would body slam him in some of these games. Like they were physical with Shay. They were tough with Shay. We didn't see that same level of physicality or that same attention paid to. To Jaylen Brunson in this game. They didn't shift as often as I thought they should. Their defenses towards him. They didn't bump him as much as they should. And the guards, they weren't fighting over screens to get through. Look, if you look, I. I saw some of the numbers for this. When Jaylen Brunson was lined up with Devin Vassell and when he was lined up with Carter Bryant or Julian Champagne, like he was getting off, he was getting his numbers. When he was lined up with Castle, when he was lined up with Harper, even when he was lined up with Fox, he wasn't as effective. He wasn't as efficient. This is. That comes down to getting over screens. You have got to fight through these screens, not let Jalen Brunson match up Hunt as much as he wants to. That's what he does as well as any guard in this league. He hunts these matchups, and when he gets them, he takes advantage of them. You can't let him do that. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
Right after the game, Jalen Brunson went up to the referee, Scott Foster, and was complaining. We heard yesterday from Chris Haynes, he was complaining about something in the crowd or some people in the crowd. Any more fallout from the NBA or the Knicks about that?
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Chris Mannix
You know, they're investigating is what I was told. As of late last night. I have not been told yet exactly what was said. And I think that is the ball game here. Like, I think if you're sitting courtside, you're allowed to say certain things. You're allowed to call someone a flopper. You're allowed to heckle on a certain level. You're certainly not allowed to cross lines. You can't cross lines and be use vulgarity. You can't bring up somebody's family. If you do that, you're out. Simple as that. So I don't know what happened there. It was interesting to see him going up to Scott Foster because in the moment I thought he was going after Scott Foster. Like everybody thinks they're going. Scott Foster is the most polarizing referee in the league.
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Paulie
For those that don't know why, it's mostly his.
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Chris Mannix
Well, look, it's a couple reasons. He's very visible and his feud with Chris Paul has taken him to a different level. That has made him the face of kind of in the same way that, like Dick Bavetta was well known as a referee for people that were Fans of the NBA in the 90s. Early 2000s. Scott Foster has taken on that. There's also the association with Tim Donaghy from back in the day. He was a close friend of Donaghy and that kind of got the rock rolling down the mountain there and made people pay a lot more attention to Chris Paul.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paul, look at you being careful with the Scott.
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Chris Mannix
Well, there's no. I know you were no evidence to suggest that Scott Foster was involved in anything, but he's very polarizing.
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Paulie
Do you what do you expect differently tonight from both sides? Not so much lineups or strategy, but execution, I guess.
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Chris Mannix
I mean, points in the paint, that's big. I would expect, as I said, the spurs to do everything to limit the points in the paint that the Knicks got. 50 is a big number and I would expect to see Victor Wembanyama spend more time in the paint. Like, you can't have him shooting nine threes. It's not an efficient way to to go about this, but I expect them to be better. Look down two O is not an insurmountable deficit. We've seen the 20, 21 bucks do it. We saw the 2016 Cavs do it, the Miami Heat in oh, six. They did it. But those teams had home court advantage. You know, when they those team were going back to their home floor, they lost the first two games on the road. The spurs losing two games at home with three of the next, what, four games or five games at Madison Square Garden. You're not winning that series. You're not winning that series winning four out of the five with three of them coming in msg, you are absolutely stoked. So if you're the spurs, the good news is you faced adversity before. Great. You were down 3, 2 to Oklahoma City. That's tough. It's tough to come back against Oklahoma.
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Paulie
So it's must win ish.
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Chris Mannix
Must win ish. Yes, Must win ish. Look, I would call it must win full stop. Because I don't see them winning 4, 5 in the finals without home court advantage. But I expect them to play a lot better in this game tonight. All right, 8 7, 73 DP shows the phone number. Email address dp@danpatrick.com Brendan Haywood, NBA TV analyst, former center, also a former teammate of Dirk Nowitzki, one of the last guys to revolutionize the game in that front court. He's going to join us this hour. Sam Amick, longtime writer down in San Antonio. Talk to Sam about the vibe within the Spurs. Also, Giannis Tendokounmpo. Clock's ticking. The Milwaukee Bucks have put a pre draft clock on trading Giannis. Next three weeks it'll be pretty big and I wonder if how these finals have played out have influenced some of the teams that are out there eyeing Giannis Tendokounmpo for their Future. All right again, 877-3DP shows the phone number. We're live on Peacock NBC Sports Network Fox Sports Radio Good to be back in with you guys. We'll be back Dan Patrick Show Be
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Chris Mannix
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Paulie
It feels good when the story ends with savings. It feels good to Geico.
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Chris Mannix
Stanley cup final all tied up at 1. Carolina Hurricanes make a furious comeback. 4 goals final period, plus take a 43 win over the Las Vegas Golden Knights. I was sitting in my hotel room last night flipping back and forth between some stuff, doing some prep for the show. When Paulie sends me a text, just says, abc. No context, no context whatsoever. Had no idea what could have been on ABC in that exact moment. But it was late third period of Carolina against Las Vegas. Two one game, Hurricane Storm back three goals in the four in the third period. Get that extra goal in overtime, they take the win. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
Yeah. That third period, the announcers were like, Carolina could get nothing going on seconds before they got their first goal. Like they can get no offense and goal, goal, goal. You almost need that in a game because I know it's the Stanley cup final. This is not finals, but you almost need someone to give you a heads up when it gets that tight.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah. And look, there's nothing more Enjoyable to watch, I would think, than competitive hockey down the stretch. Like, I. I love watching hockey regularly in person. I think it's the best spectator sport of the four major sports because it's really enjoyable regardless of whether or not you know what's going on. But watching a competitive game in the third period was a lot of fun to watch, even if you have no idea what's going on in these games. I could probably name half a dozen guys from both teams combined. I know Rod Brindamore is the coach of one of the teams.
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Paulie
Like, so you remember him because you played Sega Genesis in 1995 and he was in it.
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Chris Mannix
I did those days, man. That's how I got most of my hockey knowledge. Like Mike Richter back when he's the goalie with the Rangers.
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Paulie
Yeah, that was peak. Sega Genesis mid-90s with, like, Pavel Bure and guys like that.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, Mick Gretzky's head bleed. You know, all the good stuff that comes with comes with playing that. But it was fun to watch Stanley Cup Final tied up at one game a piece. Carolina and Las Vegas. All right. Brennan Haywood is an NBA TV analyst, former NBA center, NBA champion with the 2011 Dallas Mavericks. Also the creator of Tallest tales, where the NBA's best stories are told. You can find it on his personal instagram page at B. Wood/33, as well as at these tallest tales on YouTube. Brendan, we were talking a little bit earlier about Jalen Brunson getting upset at something that a courtside fan was saying for you. Were there rules on what fans could or couldn't say to you?
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Brendan Haywood
I mean, I think that most players would always like there to be rules, but especially back when I played, those rules weren't really enforced. I would hear fans saying crazy stuff about people's families, about people's personal looks. I've had them joking guys on my team about their body weight, man. So it was. I've seen guys making light of certain guys getting injured. So unfortunately, sports and, like, comedy clubs are, like, the only two places where fans can get outright unruly. And everybody says, you know what? That's okay, that's okay.
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Chris Mannix
What's the worst thing you ever heard a fan say to you or a teammate
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Brendan Haywood
in Chicago? I remember when Kyrie, Kyrie Irving got hurt and came out one of the games and one of the fans was cheering. He's like, yeah, yeah, don't go back in. And he was just cheering about the guy being injured. Like, that set me off. Like, I ain't even that type of guy. And even I leaned over and said something to him like, listen, my man, you going too far. And then I had one of my friends, another one of my friends, I had a fan that kept yelling about a certain teammates domestic situation that had happened in early in his life that I thought was a little out of bounds too. I won't say the teammate's name, but I will just say that I thought that yelling that out consistently was a
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Brendan Haywood
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Chris Mannix
All right, game one of the finals. Spurs go down. Close game all the way to the end. Jalen Brunson takes over down the stretch. The biggest adjustment that you think San Antonio needs to make is what?
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Brendan Haywood
All right, the biggest adjustment they need to make. They need to make a couple, Chris. They need to make a couple. First and foremost at the end of games, I think they're better off playing through the mid pick and roll than playing through Wemby. Because down the stretch of that game, Brunson knew exactly where he wanted to go. And Wemby looked like a 22 year old that was trying to figure it out in front of the world. And so Karl Anthony Towns did an incredible job guarding Wemby, but Carl still doesn't guard well in space. So I think unless Wemby's really, really like on fire, the mid pick and roll with either Harper, Fox or Castle, I think that will be their best move coming down the stretch of close ball games. Because now you pull Karl Anthony Towns off of Wimby's body, which allows Wimby to roll down the lane. That allows guys like Champagne to get activated on the weak side and you put more stress on that New York Knicks defense.
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Chris Mannix
Do you think that Wembanyama spent too much time beyond the three point line in game one?
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Brendan Haywood
Absolutely. Absolutely. And if you and I expect him to make the adjustment. We saw this before game one against the Minnesota Timberwolves in the second round of the playoffs. Womenyama took nine threes. I think he went 09. And the very next game he got right back to the paint and the rest was history. They won. You know, they would dominate throughout the rest of the series. And so I expect Wemby to correct his mistakes. Two for nine from three. Not like that's not where he wants to be. Obviously at 74 he has the ability to shoot the three point shot, but he's 7 4. He has to understand the other team wants you to take 9, 10, 11 threes unless you're hot at. Unless you're going to go seven of nine, six, four, nine at seven four. You shouldn't take nine threes because your superpower is that you're seven four. You got to make teams feel that you're seven four. And that starts from 15ft on end in the paint.
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Chris Mannix
You know, you played with Dirk Davitzki in Dallas, won a championship with Dirk. How would you compare the uniqueness of Victor Wembanyama to the uniqueness of Dirk?
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Brendan Haywood
It's different because Wemby is unique on both ends of the court. So for Dirk, Dirk was truly unique because a seven footer that could shoot the ball as well as he did in that timeframe was considered unique. It's not like it is now. It's not like every team had all these stretch fours. And then Dirk was unique in. He developed a go to move that the rest of the league would try to copy and emulate. Still to this day, that one leg fadeaway jump shot at seven feet tall was unguardable. That it was almost similar. Not similar, but how Kareem Abdul Jabbar had the sky hook at his height, that's unguardable. And so when you develop that type of thing, that makes you truly unique. So in that aspect, Dirk was unique, similar to WEMBY. 7ft, unique skill set. But what makes Wemby that guy is, man, what he does defensively. And it's only year three. We've never seen nobody like, like he shuts down the lane. I have never seen so many guards run into the lane, see a player say, no, I'm a go that way. And that's what he does.
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Chris Mannix
A lot of coaches that I've talked to say to their teams in pregame meetings, when you go to the paint, don't expect to shoot. It's driving kick. That's why you're going to the basket. You're not looking to get a shot off because he's going to be there. I mean, his ability to not just contest the first shot, but go after the second one as well. His recovery is incredible. Like he's, he just goes to that, that second spot on the floor. I mean, does he, you know, what would you do, what would you tell your team if you were coaching a team going up against Victor Wembanyama, how to attack him?
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Brendan Haywood
Well, first and foremost, I agree with the other coaches. When you go into the lane, if you see him, you got to understand, if you don't get into his body, you're driving to make the next pass. You know, you can't treat him like he's the average defender because he simply isn't, you know, that's why he's the defensive player of the year. So when you go into the lane, you're going in to draw his attention, but then you're making one to two passes to get the ball activated, but you just want to draw him to you. So that's what I would do is like, hey, listen, if you're. Now, I'm not telling you to not look at the rim, but when you go in there, understand this is not the average shot blocker. This guy ain't from around here. They call him an alien for a reason.
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Chris Mannix
Talking to Brent Haywood, NBA TV analyst, former NBA center, NBA champion with the Dallas Mavericks back in 2011. Webby can't do it by himself. Brendan, you know that de' Aaron Fox did not play well in game one. How short a leash do you think that Mitch Johnson needs to have on Fox in game two?
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Brendan Haywood
I don't think Mitch Johnson needs to have a short leash on de' Aaron Fox. I think he just has to read the, read the room. And that's one thing I think the Mitch made a mistake on in the fourth quarter. I didn't think it was a de' Aaron Fox game. I think it should have been a Harper game. I thought Harper was playing the best of anybody on that team. And I think sometimes you got to. You can't be so stuck in your ways that you're scared to adjust. I know they want to end games with de' Aaron Fox, but if he's struggling and you got a guy as talented as Harper and he's playing well, sometimes you got to roll with the young dogs and let them see if they ready to eat on the big stage.
- [31:25]
Chris Mannix
Yeah, 11 minutes in the fourth quarter was too many for De' Aaron Fox the way he was playing. And I'm not sure if it's injury related inconsistency, whatever it is. He's just not looking like the same guy we saw for most of the regular season, the all Star, the clutch player. He hasn't looked like that same guy. And look, he. I thought he was okay defensively against Brunson. And that's the big question, I think, for. For San Antonio on that end of the floor. Like, what did they have to do differently to prevent the kind of fourth quarter explosion that Jalen Brunson had?
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Brendan Haywood
Well, when you look at Jalen Brunson, he didn't shoot the ball well from the field. So defensively their game plan was solid. I Thought early in the game they tried to put Carter Bryant on him and he like, if you, I think it was like the second quarter, Jalen Brunson was kind of struggling and then Carter Bryant was on him and he reeled off like a quick three or four field goals. I think they need to stay away from that matchup. Young fellow's not ready for that just yet. And then as far as the fourth quarter goes, I think they need to load up a little bit more. Like Brunson wants to ISO. They need to make that 15 foot mid range area look real cluttered, similar to what they did to Shay Gilgis Alexander. You don't want the most clutch player in the NBA having one on one situations with the game on the line because he proved he can beat you in a game on the road where he wasn't shooting the ball well the last two minutes of the game he made all the plays that led the Knicks to the game one win.
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Chris Mannix
If the Knicks win a championship, what does that do for Jalen Brunson's legacy?
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Brendan Haywood
If the Knicks win the championship, Jalen Brunson probably becomes the greatest New York Knick of all time. I don't even think that's hyperbole.
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Chris Mannix
You put him over Ewing, you put
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Brendan Haywood
him over Ewing with a championship.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, I know about it.
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Brendan Haywood
Like, I'm just saying if he has a championship, you look at all the all star appearances he's had, all the all NBA appearances we talking about, he's the most clutch player multiple years in a row and then you give him a championship, he has to be the most, he has to be the best Knick of all time and this. And then when you win a championship for a team as storied as the New York Knicks, you know what that does as far as, you know, the, the, the leg, the legacy aspect of your career and where you fall into with the hall of Fame.
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Chris Mannix
What do you think that people missed about BRUNSON Back in 2022? I mean it, it's amazing to think that as recently as four years ago, the Dallas Mavericks could have had Jalen Brunson on a four year, $55 million contract. He was ready to sign that deal before the 21st 22.
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Brendan Haywood
Chris, what you doing, man?
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Chris Mannix
I'm just saying.
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Brendan Haywood
Chris, you, you, you, me and you got close in Dallas. Okay. You know, I'm still, you know, I'm still good with the Dallas fan base. Are you trying to turn the Dallas.
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Chris Mannix
No, no, not at all. Not at all. Brendan. I think that I'm just Wondering, it's not just Dallas and even New York. They paid him $100 million, which was viewed as an overpay at that point. What do you think people missed about him back in 2022 when he was a free agent?
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Brendan Haywood
I don't think it's what they missed. I think it's when you look at Jalen Brunson, he's so unassuming. You look at him, you're like, he's not the fastest, he's not the quickest, he doesn't look like overly muscular. He doesn't jump out of the gym. And so when people see him, he's just not. Doesn't look like a great NBA athlete. But what they missed was the skill set. 3 level score, the ability, the ability to not play up or down. Like, if you ever watch Jalen Brunson, you can't tell if he's got 30 or if he's got three. He's here with it. I'm right here all the time. That's a, that's, that's key. And then the thing that I think people really missed, even though he's only maybe what, six, two, he has the ability to post up in the low block in the midpost like he's 6, 8. And that is what they really miss. Because when the game slows down in the playoffs, most of your best players have to be able to score from the mid range. I know we love the three, I know we love the three ball, but you're not winning in a fourth quarter of a close game by ice only shooting, step back threes, all just traditionally in the NBA, you're winning because your best player is creating a problem for the mid post where he either scores a bucket or creates a shot for somebody else because he gets double or triple team from that area.
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Chris Mannix
All right, we're still doing the autopsy on Oklahoma City, but all the attention is being paid to whether or not Chet Holmgren should be there next year. If you're the Oklahoma City Thunder and you're Sam Presti, are you running it back with Chet Holmgren?
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Brendan Haywood
And listen, man, let me tell you one thing, man. Chris, I'm gonna give all your listeners, I'm gonna give you this one for free. Anybody telling you that Chet shouldn't be there, don't know what the hell they talking about. Let's not forget chet Holmgren is 24. He had a bad series. It's not like he forgot how to play basketball. I saw that he didn't take advantage of smaller players too. I Saw that he looked scared of the moment too. But are we going to overreact and trade a 24 year old that's a two way player at 7ft 2 that's able to dribble, shoot, make athletic plays at the rim, was all NBA, all defensive performer. He was second in defensive player of the year, and we want to trade that guy and overreact to one series. Anybody telling the Oklahoma City fan base that that's what they need to do is absolutely out of their mind. If I'm Sam Presti, this is what Brendan Haywood would do. I walk in there, I sit shut down, I show him all of his minutes where guys like Champagne, Keldin, Johnson, Devin Vassell were guarding him and he didn't go to the block. I'm going to say now I'm going to get on the phone with his trainer, Drew Handler. Drew, next year when this guy comes back, I need him to be able to post up in these type of situations. If Chet can take advantage of smaller players and still have the defensive acumen that he has, the Oklahoma City Thunder going to be just fine. Saying that they should move off of Chet is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life.
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Chris Mannix
All right, we got a question from the room before we let you go. What do you got?
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Paulie
Guys, we've been talking about this because Brennan Haywood is a clean seven feet. We've seen him in person before. Chad Holmgren's seven feet. You had a great career, 13 years in the NBA, lots of dough, day to day. What is the negative about being seven feet tall?
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Brendan Haywood
Well, why'd you have to say lots of dough, man? You ain't got to talk about my money situation, man. That's a compliment. Hey, you gonna have my family members texting me, trying to get some bread, man.
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Paulie
Taxes. Yeah. You got hit by taxes.
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Brendan Haywood
Yeah, exactly. The challenges of being seven feet tall, is that the question?
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Paulie
Day to day, clothing, walking in a restaurant, stuff like that.
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Brendan Haywood
I think day to day is just, first of all, you got the clothing aspect of it. Always, always got to watch out for doors because you know if you don't duck down, you will hit your head. You hit your head one or two times, you'll realize you don't want to do that anymore. Fitting into cars. Fitting into car. I have to get all of my cars. I have to get my cars custom, so I have to have my seat moved back on every last one of my cars, even if it's an SUV because I can't fit in it from a leg room standpoint. Last but not least, I'll say the effect that my height has on children because when children see me, they are just like in awe. They're looking up like, like the other day I went to my, I went to my, my daughter's kindergarten graduation and there was a kid, he was tapping his, his mom. He's like, mom, look, it's a giant like that. That's just, that, that's just my life, though. That, that's how that's my life. And I'm used to it.
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Paulie
I loved it.
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Chris Mannix
Oh, good to talk to you, Brendan. We appreciate your time.
- [38:58]
Brendan Haywood
All right, man. Thank you.
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Chris Mannix
That's Brendan Haywood, NBA TV analyst, creator of Tallest Tales over on at these tallest tales on YouTube. I guess that's, you know, you can be a little bit intimidating if you're, you know, kind of a three foot child. Polly.
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Paulie
It's like one of those obvious questions you've always wanted to ask. And he seems like such an honest guy. But you know, there's a lot of benefits when, if you're seven foot and coordinated, clearly. But the day to day must be. There's some hiccups.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah. Dylan.
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Dan Patrick Show Announcer
Yeah.
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Dylan
I was thinking the car thing too, because I remember Shaq back in the day had to buy two Ferraris and chop them in half and essentially build like a Frankenstein Ferrari just to be able to get inside it.
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Chris Mannix
Wasn't there the Shaq commercial where he was in the Buick and you're looking around going like there's no way he's fitting into that Buick. There is no way.
- [39:39]
Paulie
I've got the picture right now. Shaq and the Buick, he's at max capacity. The seat is just buckling.
- [39:44]
Chris Mannix
There's no way. He's probably not. That's like shacking into a Tesla.
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Chris Mannix
Fritz and him and Tiger, they would promote Buick as if that's their car of choice.
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Brendan Haywood
They're going to cruise around in a
- [39:52]
Chris Mannix
Buick Skylark or something. I don't know if we're talking about Tiger promoting cars right now, Paulie. That might be a too soon, too soon for that one. All right, 877-3-DP show is the phone number. Email address dp@danpatrick.com we'll get to your phone calls. A lot more to get to Sam Amick coming up in the third hour. Play the day as well. This is the Dan Patrick Show.
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Brendan Haywood
Oh my God.
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Dan Patrick Show Announcer
The Play of the day. This is the play of the day.
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Chris Mannix
Check this out.
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Brendan Haywood
Along the right wing boards. Back up top. It's got despair.
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Chris Mannix
Senna Crusher.
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Dan Patrick Show Announcer
Game over.
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Chris Mannix
Seth Jarvis wins it in overtime. Maybe the most famous one timer in Hurricanes history. Hurricanes Radio Network on the call. Seth Jarvis scores the game winning goal for the Hurricanes in game two of the Stanley Cup Final. Jarvis is the sixth different Hurricane to score an overtime goal this postseason. Only the 1993 Montreal Canadiens with seven, had more different players score an overtime goal during their playoff run and Play of the Day Brought to you by Trugreen Sign up Now to get 50% off lawn care this summer with TruGreen's biggest sale of the year. Let the pros handle the work while you enjoy your weekends. Visit trugreen.com by June 23rd. Restrictions apply. You got to love the hockey calls because there's a genuine surprise in the announcer's voice when the play actually develops. You never know when a hockey goal is going to happen. Like Mike Breen's got like two or three seconds to prepare his bang for when a shot goes up. A hockey guy, it's just like in a flash.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, we've talked about this a lot before with like Doc Emmerich and different people who do hockey. These shift changes are so drastically fast. I mean, NBA players, they sub in, they sub out. It's very regimented and organized. The shift changes. To know from second to second who is on the ice and who is not by the play by play person, it's nuts.
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Chris Mannix
I think it's the most difficult job in all of professional broadcasting. I know you guys probably talked about it at length with Dan sitting here, but I can't imagine how someone like Doc Emmerich or any of these hockey announcers who most of them are sitting way up like they're calling it off a monitor in some some cities sitting way up on the upper levels are able to decipher who is getting the puck at different times when these line changes are happening. Look, I guess practice makes perfect. You're around the game long enough, you get better at it. But I think that is the most difficult job in broadcasting. No doubt about that. Dylan, you got a poll question for us today?
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Dylan
I do actually. Off of our play of the day, what's the best overtime in sports? NBA, NHL, NFL, mlb.
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Chris Mannix
It's got to be NHL because it can end at any moment. Like the anticipation for it. Basketball, you've got the full five minutes. Football's immediate, but you know, it develops over the course of an overtime. Extra innings, I guess that's kind of comparable. But I like the speed of hockey and the way that ends up that way. So yeah, I would take hockey on that one.
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Dylan
Yeah. A walk off though. Next trainings you have the walk off component, which does. But also you can get into the wee hours of extra innings where I think fans run out of steam a little bit.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, I kind of like that though. Like I remember, I think I was a kid going to like a Pawtucket Red Sox game that went like minor league, minor league baseball. You don't know the difference. And I'm learning this as a father that like, like I want to take my kid to the Dodger game and I want to sit in the front row so I can show my kid baseball up front. He doesn't give a damn. He doesn't care. There's no difference between the Pawtucket Red Sox and the Boston Red Sox. I didn't. Kids don't either, but I think I was at a Paw Sox game like that, Paw Sox. And it was like 20 something innings, like one of the longest games ever played. 20 some odd, 30 some odd years ago. I don't know when it was. What else you got, Dylan?
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Dylan
I got one from Todd on game two tonight. How does game two of the NBA Finals play out? The Knicks win by a few. Knicks win comfortably. Spurs take it by a small margin. Or spurs even the series in dominant fashion. That is word for word.
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Chris Mannix
That's real Algonquin Roundtable back there with Utah. That's a tough one. That's a tough, tough poll question. I like the spurs to win this one because I think there's going to be a real sense of desperation in San Antonio. Like you can come back from two nothing down. We've seen teams do it. But the idea of going on the road against this Knicks team and winning four of the next five with three of them on msg, it just seems improbable at Best, impossible. At worst. I think the level of energy and desperation that they play with is going to carry them. I can't even see them winning comfortably in this one. I can, you know, not double digits, but seven, eight points.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paul, I want to go back to October. Wemby was coming off last year with the blood clot and not a great second year. Did anyone in your business, any pundits, analysts, have the spurs in the Finals?
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Brendan Haywood
No.
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Chris Mannix
Because there's a formula for success in the NBA and that formula is get to the playoffs first, take your lumps and then get to the finals and compete for a championship. Sometimes like in the case of Boston, you've got to get to the conference finals five or six times and you've got to lose in the finals before you win a championship. Sometimes like Oklahoma City, where you get beaten the second round one year, win a championship the next year, but with very little exceptions, there is the path to take. You've got to take. You've got to take that path and lose in the conference playoffs. The spurs, what they've done is nearly unprecedented. To not only get to the finals, but to beat back some of the teams. They did. A Minnesota team that was injured, but had more experience, a Oklahoma City team that was the defending champs, injured, but had a lot of experience. Down 3, 2. To win a series like that, you don't see stuff like that happen. So, no, nobody believed that the spurs team was, was capable of that. So I, I think they're gonna come out with some energy in this game. I think they're gonna win game two because I think they know it's basically win or go home for the San Antonio Spurs. All right, lot to get to in the second hour. Sam Amick, he's going to join us in the third hour of the show down in San Antonio. NBA Finals game two taking place tonight. We'll talk about that and much more when we come back.
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