Hour 1 – Nico Iamaleava Heading to UCLA

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 1 – Nico Iamaleava Heading to UCLA Release Date: April 17, 2025

In this compelling episode of The Dan Patrick Show, hosted by Dan Patrick alongside Lavar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and Jonas Knox, the spotlight shines brightly on the significant transfer of quarterback Nico Iamaleava from the Tennessee Volunteers to the UCLA Bruins. The discussion delves deep into the ramifications of this move, examining both the athlete's personal decisions and the broader implications within college football, especially in the context of NCAA's Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policies.

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1. Opening Remarks and Current NBA Discussions (01:04 – 04:30)

The show kicks off with light banter among the hosts about recent NBA playoffs, specifically highlighting the Dallas Mavericks' performance. Olivia Carville muses, "They look good, man. I mean, I know people are maybe sleeping on them, but they look good." (03:00), indicating optimism about the team's prospects despite mixed results.

2. Nico Iamaleava’s Transfer Decision (04:18 – 14:48)

The core of the episode revolves around Nico Iamaleava's unexpected move to UCLA. Lavar Arrington provides the initial news: "Nico has made a decision. Reportedly he is going to be a UCLA Bruin." (06:00). The conversation quickly shifts to dissecting the motivations and consequences of this transfer.

Dan Patrick offers a critical perspective: "It's an absolute disaster. And it's probably a good thing for a lot of other players out there in college football that can hopefully appreciate the opportunities they've gotten, understand that the grass is not always greener and try to, you know, what's the saying that Lavar, you know, be where your feet are, stand where your feet are or whatever." (07:00). He emphasizes that Nico's decision not only affects his career trajectory but also serves as a cautionary tale for other athletes navigating the complexities of college sports.

Olivia Carville counters by highlighting potential positives: "I think that it's a great gift for Coach Foster and damn, keep them away from the towels. I think this is a great gift for UCLA and if they were going to be a pretty good team going into this season, I think you can actually say, based upon the circumstances that, that Nico is living under now. I think they're going to get his best version because he's going to be on guard to everything that's taken place." (08:38). She suggests that the move could offer Nico a fresh start and a chance to rebuild his image amidst scrutiny.

3. Financial Implications and NIL Policies (14:48 – 23:52)

A substantial portion of the discussion centers on the financial aspects of Nico's transfer, particularly the NIL framework. Dan Patrick critiques the current NIL setup: "NIL has never been sustainable. The way it was created and the way it's been implemented wasn't the initial purpose. But the problem with the initial purpose is you're kind of putting the cart before the horse." (17:22). He argues that the system prioritizes marketing dollars over genuine athlete compensation, leading to confusion and instability.

Olivia Carville expands on this by differentiating between player positions: "This is limited to such a small minute number of players for this to even apply to. This is not going to apply to anyone else but QBs at major major universities and receivers. It's about it. That's about it." (15:31). She underscores that quarterback transfers, especially from high-profile programs, face unique challenges under NIL regulations, unlike other positions.

The hosts further debate the sustainability of current NIL practices. Dan emphasizes the need for a revenue-sharing model that aligns more closely with professional leagues: "Look at the NFL, look at the NBA, look at all these other professional leagues. You are paid by your organization and then you have all that as kind of your ancillary income that comes off of that." (20:12). He advocates for a system where athletes receive a portion of the revenue generated by their performance, ensuring fair compensation.

4. Evaluations and Criticisms of Nico’s Performance (23:52 – 39:42)

Shifting focus, the discussion veers into the realm of NFL draft prospects, particularly Shador Sanders. Brady Quinn provides insights into Sanders' draft stock, stating, "I'm having a really hard time finding coaches or scouts who believe Sanders is a first-round talent." (28:07). The conversation highlights the intense scrutiny and high expectations placed on athletes transferring between major programs.

Olivia Carville defends Sanders by questioning the basis of criticisms: "What have he really done that would warrant him to be looked at as a possibility of a problem other than showing his. His watch on his wrist, other than being very, very perfect time doing his music, you know, whatever it may be." (34:05). She emphasizes that personal branding and external perceptions often overshadow actual performance metrics.

Dan Patrick concurs on Sanders' potential, despite the backlash: "I liked him as the best quarterback in this draft class, and I liked it because I think his game translates to the NFL level based on his accuracy, based on, I think, you know, athletically what he can do." (34:14). He believes that Sanders possesses the necessary skills to succeed professionally, regardless of the current narrative.

5. Locker Room Dynamics and Player Integration (39:28 – 46:07)

Olivia Carville brings up the importance of locker room environments in player performance: "I just don't think that people should underestimate a locker room, the influence and the power of a locker room. And I don't care what your position is, when Shador Sanders walks into the locker room of the team that brings him on, there is going to be at least a, a handful of veterans that are going to have an impact and an influence on him, whether he likes it or not." (37:16). She argues that mature, professional locker rooms can facilitate positive player development, countering fears of integration issues.

Dan Patrick echoes the sentiment, highlighting the role of veteran players in shaping newcomers: "There has been a handful of veterans that are going to have an impact and an influence on him, whether he likes it or not." (39:28). The hosts agree that mature team environments are conducive to athletic and personal growth, mitigating concerns about disruptive personalities.

6. Final Thoughts and Outlook (46:07 – End)

As the episode draws to a close, the hosts reflect on the broader implications of player transfers and the evolving landscape of college athletics. Dan Patrick summarizes the situation by reiterating the need for systemic changes in athlete compensation: "The lion's share, by the way, will come from the revenue share. That's where most of the kids will make the majority of the money." (43:09). He emphasizes that sustainable models must prioritize fair revenue distribution to benefit athletes effectively.

Olivia Carville adds a note of optimism about the future, hoping that lessons from Nico and Sanders' experiences will guide better practices and policies: "But hey, he found a place to go play and he's still going to get some, some cash out of the situation." (24:44). The hosts express hope that these high-profile cases will lead to more refined and equitable systems within college sports.

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Notable Quotes:

• “It's an absolute disaster. And it's probably a good thing for a lot of other players out there in college football...” - Dan Patrick (07:00)

• “I think that it's a great gift for Coach Foster...” - Olivia Carville (08:38)

• “NIL has never been sustainable...” - Dan Patrick (17:22)

• “This is limited to such a small minute number of players...” - Olivia Carville (15:31)

• “What have he really done that would warrant him to be looked at as a possibility of a problem...” - Olivia Carville (34:05)

• “I liked him as the best quarterback in this draft class...” - Dan Patrick (34:14)

• “I just don't think that people should underestimate a locker room...” - Olivia Carville (37:16)

• “The lion's share, by the way, will come from the revenue share...” - Dan Patrick (43:09)

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This episode offers a thorough analysis of Nico Iamaleava's transfer, intertwining personal narratives with critical examinations of broader NCAA policies. The hosts provide a multifaceted perspective, balancing skepticism with hopeful insights, making it an essential listen for fans keen on understanding the intricate dynamics of college football and athlete compensation.

Transcript

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[Olivia Carville]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Lavar Arrington]

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[Olivia Carville]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Olivia Carville]

I mean, it's just interesting that it's always the usual, like our voices are connected to it. Our back end is connected. It's like we're, we're the bad news.

[Lavar Arrington]

What are you getting at?

[Olivia Carville]

I told you, you gotta be. You can't, you can't be anything other than what you are.

[Lavar Arrington]

Are you saying we are the play in games?

[Olivia Carville]

In my mind, I was sitting there like it's a great segue into playing games. I mean, but hey, you know, I don't know. In the end the Bad News Bears did end up winning, so there's that, you know, But God dang, they was the Bad News Beers all the way up to it. Yeah, Yeah.

[Lavar Arrington]

A lot of whiffs before then. A lot of strikeouts.

[Olivia Carville]

Shouts out to Dallas. They won something, huh? They did something.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, they look good, man. I mean, I know people are maybe sleeping on them, but they look good. I could see them being sneakily kind of going on a little bit of a run.

[Olivia Carville]

You think? Yeah. In the West. Yeah. I don't know.

[Lavar Arrington]

Anthony Davis can play. The problem is how, for how long.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, look, that's what I'm saying.

[Olivia Carville]

If he's healthy, I have no legs.

[Dan Patrick]

And kaleidos some of the other pieces they have on that team, man, they've got some guys who've been able to navigate through the playoffs and have won championships before. Man, I'm telling you, that could be a dangerous combination.

[Olivia Carville]

Yeah, I doubt it. That one ain't going. That, that's going to be a short lived, you know, is because.

[Lavar Arrington]

Short lived story is because it's Dallas.

[Olivia Carville]

No, it's because the west is pretty loaded, man, and they're just not going to be able to run that one. I don't see it. I mean it's possible. Clearly I'm not, I'm not, I'm not an expert. So Q could come out being, you know, correct on it, but I don't see it though. I just think that if you're going to look at one of the playing teams out of the West, I again I'm, I'm staking my, I'm putting my 10 toes down on the mountain on the hill of the Golden State Warriors. That's, that's what I'm going to do out of the play in teams.

[Dan Patrick]

But they wouldn't have to play each other for a while, so.

[Olivia Carville]

Yeah, well, I don't see that being a head to head. I'm not saying that way. I'm just saying the team that I could see making a run out of the playing games would be Golden State.

[Lavar Arrington]

It's hard for me to get excited about playing games, playing tournaments and it just look to me the NBA playoffs for the most part we've had a couple of, you know, lower seeded eight and seven teams that have, that have beaten a one or a two seed a few times in the history of the postseason. It feels like the playoffs outside of a four or five matchup an occasional six, three doesn't start until the second round. I mean these seven game series with your one eights and your two sevens, it's like, come on dude, can we speed this up or at least make it more intriguing. Make them a three game series so at least if the lower seed gets one, you, you put everybody else on high alert that there could be an upset. But I just can't, I, I can't get excited about it until the second round for the most part. Dang, this is what it is. That's just the way it goes. So congratulations. We'll find out what the final matchups going to be after these next couple of games. Get going and then we can all look forward to, you know, hopefully getting past this first round quick, get to the second round and then we can get to the, to the teams that are actual title contenders as opposed to some of these playing teams. But there is the, the discussion that is still going on but apparently is coming to an end in the world of sports. Nico has made a decision. Not Nico Harrison. All right? Not him. Every time. I'm going to try this out again. Nico.

[Olivia Carville]

I stopped saying it.

[Lavar Arrington]

Emaliava Bam has apparently, according to reports, rename them.

[Olivia Carville]

I'm leaving you. That's, that's they. And for some strange reason I could say that way easier than what the real way of saying it is.

[Lavar Arrington]

Reportedly is going to be a UCLA Bruin. And apparently this, this according to Colin Cowherd who sent this tweet out yesterday that the family is still saying this is not about money. It had nothing to do with money. It was all about the Tennessee Volunteers offense. And so he finds himself reportedly in Westwood. He will be a UCLA Bruin. But again, it's got nothing to do with money at all whatsoever. And definitely not the $4 million that was reported they were asking for when he was making 2 million and change already with Tennessee set for this upcoming year.

[Dan Patrick]

So he's going for free, is that what you're saying? Yeah, he's gonna go there and be closer to home and all that.

[Lavar Arrington]

That's not money. Just so everybody knows he ain't playing.

[Olivia Carville]

For free, but he is playing for less money and the taxes are higher. So there's that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it was a, it was a losing proposition all the way around. Not only would he made more money to your point too at the taxes, but now he's in a different system, not on a team that's as talented. I mean if you look at Tennessee last year, which qualified for the college Football Playoff. And by the way, mind you, and this is not to slight on Nico Iamaliava, but there's been a string of quarterbacks who have got drafted, who've been put up big numbers there. He did not play that well. That was a defensive led team. That was a team that could tote the rock too. I would say. If you're looking at one of the weaker parts of their team, it was the inconsistency in the passing game. So not only are there those kind of struggles from that, but now he goes to a lesser team, he's not getting paid as much, and he's going to be playing, having an uphill battle playing in a conference where, you know, at least they're one of the top teams in the sec. That's not the case for ucla. You know, they kind of feel at times like they're a bit of a doormat now. They turned things around second half of last season, but it's going to be an uphill battle in so many different ways for him, and it's unfortunate. And whether or not his, his team, whether it's his family, whether it's. His agent wants to admit it, this was an absolute disaster. And it's probably a good thing for a lot of other players out there in college football that can hopefully appreciate the opportunities they've gotten, understand that the grass is not always greener and try to, you know, what's the saying that Lavar, you know, be where your feet are, stand where your feet are or whatever.

[Olivia Carville]

Something to that effect.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Olivia Carville]

Being present is being where your feet are. Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. I mean, why, why try to be somewhere where you're not like, be at.

[Lavar Arrington]

Where your feet at.

[Olivia Carville]

Be at where your feet at. See, that's what happens when you take time off. You know what I mean? You get rusty with your delivery.

[Lavar Arrington]

What are you talking about?

[Olivia Carville]

Is smooth. Then they sou a little bit confident.

[Lavar Arrington]

That's not a real thing. That was on a no fear shirt I saw.

[Olivia Carville]

All right. All I'm gonna say is I'm happy for Coach Foster because while people may rain down on the Nico, I'm leaving you parade, you know, on his camp, the kid can play ball and people can have their opinions about him and how good and how well he can play ball, but the guy can play some. He can play football. And he was dealing at times last year for Tennessee and probably would have had another good year, good season under them this season if he were still to be there. Now you go into a program where they, they have needed to be able to get a break in order to have the opportunity to get a player of his caliber, you know, wanting to come there and play a position of such, the magnitude of what the quarterback's position is. So, you know, opportunity created an or. Or circumstance created an opportunity for ucla. UCLA is not a major player in the NIL space. You're not going to get UCLA for academic purposes just as well as just available funding for NIL for football. You're just not going to get elite level offers, elite level money. In fact, even prior to N, you're not going to get a, you're. You're only going to get a certain level of player because of the academic requirements that they place on the guys that they bring in there. So it's like, kind of like guys go to USC that don't go to ucla. And if you understand like the politics of what goes on at ucla, you'd understand, like, it's kind of like they run things almost like a Ivy League type level school academically. So I think it's a great gift for desean Watson. I don't know how Sean Foster, excuse me, this is Deshaun Fox. Jesus. Jesus, where am I at right now? Thank you for that save. Q I. I think it's a great gift for, for Coach Foster and damn, keep them away from the towels. I think this is a great gift. He got other things to worry about. Y But I think this is a great gift for ucla and if they were going to be a pretty good team going into this season, I think you can actually say, based upon the circumstances that, that Nico, I'm leaving you is, is. Is living under now. I think they're going to get his best version because he's going to be on, you know, he's going to be on guard to everything that's taken place. There's going to be a lot of criticism, a lot of scrutiny, a lot of comes his way because what he did kind of transcends just playing the game. It has opened the conversation to larger pieces of what's going on in college football and sports altogether. So I think that it's a, it's a advantageous opportunity for Nico to try to redeem himself and maybe repair his image with what's taken place as of late. And it's a great opportunity for UCLA to be a better program with what would be considered to be a top elite type of quarterback on their, on their roster.

[Lavar Arrington]

And it's not going to cost him a whole lot, apparently.

[Olivia Carville]

Well, they got it. They got him on the cheap. They got was like 250 less or something like that. Like they got him on the discount level. What was it, like one.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the number of figure I saw was 1.75 and he was scheduled to make 2.6. So he's almost a million short of what he would have made. And that's not including, to your earlier point, taxes, by the way. Nico was like maybe top 10 in the SEC last year, like as far as yards and all that. Again, going back to the point, he really didn't play overly well. Now he's joining an offense in UCLA that was 126th in scoring last year. They were 107th in the country in sacks allowed. So the protection, and I know that was like an issue, I think that came up in some of these reports too, is that, hey, it's not an NFL systems like, well, you knew that on your way in. Joe Milton got drafted, Hendon Hooker got drafted. There's been other quarterbacks who've gone to Tennessee and gotten drafted. So it's not like that's held against those quarterbacks, if that was your concern or that's part of the rationale for why you left. You've gotten guys to the NFL level and they've put up good stats and, and mind you, there's plenty of other quarterbacks that have played in systems that aren't NFL systems and have also gotten drafted. So if that was part of the rationale, it doesn't make any sense. And again, going back to the initial point, he hasn't even performed to a point where you felt confident about him being able to go somewhere else, learn a new system, learn new chemistry, develop all those things. And now he's doing it with lesser pieces around him in a league that arguably you'd say they're at the bottom of the league or one of the teams at the bottom. So I just, I feel, I feel bad for the young man because at some point you've got to make your own decisions in life. And this is one where I don't know who was in his ear. And I know that someone made some anonymous report or someone close to the family, whatever. I believe on fun office sports, which if that's even credible. But the truth of the matter is he should have stood up and said, I'm good. Like, I'm. My, my payday is coming after this year when I go to the NFL. And unfortunately now it's like, we'll see how this year goes. But maybe he's a couple years now from leaving and be able to go to get draft in the NFL. Who knows how this whole thing's going to shake out.

[Lavar Arrington]

So he's in a worse situation and he took what like a $700,000 pay cut in less than a week and now. Yeah, yeah, now he's just got to kind of it. It feels like with anything new, there's got to be something that's the example of what not to do. And he's the example of what not to do. Like he's the one that. All right, now everybody kind of has an understanding and I do wonder if there's probably coaches and programs that are, that are pointing to this going, hey, guys, just so you know, like, this is how things could turn really badly for you. You could go from an SEC quarterback at a great program who was a playoff team a year ago to UCLA like that.

[Olivia Carville]

This is limited to such a small minute number of, of players for this to even apply to. This is not going to apply to Anyone else but QBs at major major universities and receivers. It's about it. That's about it. That's who this is limited to. You're not going to see it take place with anybody else. You could be as gifted a football player on the defensive side of the ball. It's not going to happen. You could be as gifted as you'd like to be on the offensive line. It's not going to happen. Running back, same thing. Tight end, forget about it. If you're a quarterback at an SEC school, a Big Ten school, maybe in some instances an ACC school, you have, you, you have the ability to possibly push the envelope on these types of conversations. Not saying that negotiations don't exist for the other positions. It's just not the same. And I think one thing that we gotta make sure we're clear on in this scenario. And I was listening to Kurt Herb street and what he had to say about nil with Pat McAfee and I thought it was very, very well put and thought out, is that this is turning into negotiations against schools and players. In this, this instance, you're looking at Nico getting into a, a negotiation between Tennessee and himself, when in reality NIL is in place for you to, to benefit with your name, your image and your likeness. That's, that's getting money through your collective. That's, that's doing appearances. That's, that's making. I mean, I'm just saying that's, that's what it was.

[Dan Patrick]

No, well, this is why I wouldn't include the, the collectives as part of it. I think the collectives are part of the issue because the collectives, by and large, how they've operated are groups of boosters who are essentially taking private money and being able to, you know, help compensate and create opportunities for players in that, in that fashion. And they're doing it for the university because there wasn't pay for play.

[Olivia Carville]

Sure.

[Dan Patrick]

Or pay to play, which the truth is, is like, that's what it's always been since it's been enacted and even before that when teams and boosters were paying kids under the table, it's always been pay to play. Like, if we want to take Nil a step further, what's always bothered me about it is if you're not playing, you're not getting paid. So even if you want to try to say, well, oh, it's really about marketing dollars. Right. It's really about those opportunities to promote brands or do commercials or do social media postings and do appearances and all that. Does anyone care about you if you're not playing?

[Olivia Carville]

Right?

[Dan Patrick]

If you're not out there performing, if you're not one of the best players? No. So in essence, it's always really been about getting paid because you play. But we, we created this, this world in which we had to create loopholes and other ways in which we could find ways of, you know, getting players money that was within the rules of, you know, what was passed by the Supreme Court. But I've said this and will always say this. Nil has never been sustainable. The way it was created and the way it's been implemented wasn't the initial purpose. But the problem with the initial purpose is you're kind of putting the cart before the horse. It always should have been a rev share. It always should have been the TV money that these conferences and schools were getting were shared with those student athletes who are the ones actually earning it. And then you could have implemented Nil and you could have said these marketing dollars from name your apparel company, Under Armour, Nike, whoever, it's creative or name whatever a sports drink, whatever else it is, then that comes as part of it because that's the professional model. Look at, look at the NFL, look at the NBA, look at all these other professional leagues. You are paid by your organization and then you have all that as kind of your ancillary income that comes off of that. But don't get it twisted. It is about your ability to play. And that's one of the reasons why, like, it's, it's Always been backwards. It's never made sense. And it's why it's been a little bit of a chaotic mess, too, is the essence of why we're compensating. Student athletes in the first place is all about their performance. It's all about their play. Well, if that's the case, then make it a structure that actually makes sense and is lasting. And you have examples of that at every professional level.

[Olivia Carville]

I just think. I mean, it's funny, coincidentally, we were going over Man Man's you know, situation just yesterday. What up, man man, it's like three contracts, bro. Three contracts that you got to go through. Three separate entities of contracts that. That you have to go through as it applies to these. Nil or. Well, not even just Nil, but just the way the kids are compensated. There's like three different agreements and. And one is the collective, you know, another is this entity. Another is the school entity. And it's interesting to me, like, looking at how all of it is structured, are you really supposed to point and aim your frustration or your, I guess, what your demands are, what your expectations are to be compensated at the team itself, at the head coach, at. At, you know, at Tennessee or wherever it is that you're at? Because to me, again, it comes back down to. With these blurred lines of what. What this is all representation of what does Nil really represent? Because at the end of the day, if. If we're talking Apples, if it's an Apples to Apples conversation, then you got to talk about compensating the player. Like Q just said, you're paying based off of what you're generating at. Off of the TV deals and stuff like that. There's no. There's nothing that comes out that, like in a pro contract that talks about name, image and likeness. You do that with the players association. You sign a group licensing agreement with the players association. That's how you leverage your name, image, and likeness. It's a different entity altogether. So the blurred lines that have been created and I think that are exposed here in this situation in particular, there's no reason for them for him to have taken a hard line stance like, I'm not practicing. I'm not coming unless y'all pay me more money. Sure. The. The collectives are in contact with the university, and the universities are in contact with the collectives, and this is a way for them to be able to compensate players. But ultimately, if we're looking at it for the true essence of what Nil has created as it applies to today, right now you're, you're monetizing your, the value of your name, your image and your likeness. So even if it's coming from a collective in the sense of we're able to pay them to be a part of our team, but you're going to do X amount of appearances, you're going to do signings, you're going to do things that support what, what we're doing to build this program. Bottom line is, is that there needs to be a separation and there needs to be understanding of what the business of what you are as a player to the university and what you are as an entity and a brand. All of its, all on its own as in a name, your image and your likeness. There needs to be a very clear understanding and determination of, of or, or I guess not determination but, but description of what each one of those represent. Because I think these, this right here, this clearly shows that there is not a separation. And, and, and there's how do you, how do you read in between the lines of where the collectives and how you're getting compensated for your name, image and likeness runs and bleeds into who you are as an athlete and a student at the university that you're at?

[Dan Patrick]

It's which the lion's share, by the way, will come from the revenue share. That's where most of the kids will make the majority of the money. Now if the collectives exist and they really feel like they want a high star kid or you know, a big performer that transfers or something, they might be able to, you know, come in there with some sort of whatever package and marketing or whatever else they want to do. But the reality is it should be that they're getting compensated the most from their school based on the revenue share. Like that's the setup. That's how this should work moving forward. Any other model is not really sustainable and it doesn't really make sense either when you're thinking about it. You know, is, is any other athlete getting paid more from their marketing deal as opposed to what they're making to actually play their sport?

[Olivia Carville]

No. Maybe Travis Hunter, maybe Travis Hunter, maybe.

[Dan Patrick]

He won't, he, he, he won't once he's the number two overall pick. Right?

[Olivia Carville]

Correct. Right, right, right, correct. Yeah, it's sad, man. I think it's sad. It's a lot, a lot of moving parts to it. But hey, he found a place to go play and he's still going to get some, some cash out of the situation. I don't, you know, which, it's not about the cash, right?

[Lavar Arrington]

So enjoy Westwood.

[Olivia Carville]

There you go.

[Lavar Arrington]

It is the Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio. Two pros and a cup of Joe, Lavar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys coming up next here though, apparently some mixed feelings. We got some mixed feelings about a top prosp in the draft. We'll get into that for you right here on FOX Sports Radio.

[Olivia Carville]

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[Lavar Arrington]

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[Olivia Carville]

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[Lavar Arrington]

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[Lavar Arrington]

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[Lavar Arrington]

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[Olivia Carville]

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[Lavar Arrington]

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[Olivia Carville]

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[Lavar Arrington]

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In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

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[Lavar Arrington]

It's the Dan Patrick show here, fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. Coming up a little over 15 minutes from now. Somebody in the world of sports is having to apologize for brutal honesty. We'll get into that for you again 15 minutes from now here on the DP Show. Man, Albert Breer is really asking for it. I'll tell you, we're going to hear from Albert Breer coming up later on in the show. But Albert PR Wrote this about Shador Sanders, quote, I'm having a really hard time finding coaches or scouts who believe Sanders is a first round talent. This, by the way, is separate from any issue anyone has with this personality. Those questions exist, but lots of teams have made exceptions in that department in the past to take on guys with special talents. The problem seems to be that too many folks think Sandy Sanders lacks those type of gifts. So, I mean, he's next up on the the Dion Chidor hit list because they will pinpoint this and they will go after Albert Breer, especially if he comes out and he has a good rookie season. So I don't know if this means that he's going to slip past the New Orleans Saints in the first round, but here we go. More doubt has crept in about the ability of Shador Sanders. At this point. I, I've, I can't even keep track of how many reports there are on, on draft prospects who entire career is determined on which organization isn't such a disaster that it spoils their chance of being a good player in the league.

[Olivia Carville]

Q. I'll take it. Listen, I'll say this, I think Shador Sanders is a product and I'll say it's a byproduct because there's a ton of positive, but there's also enough negative where it, it impacts the way he's viewed. It's probably impacting the way that he is being evaluated. There's just a lot connected to the product of being the son of Deion Sanders. And I think that they have taken such fearless approaches to how they do things from the way they started until now. And it's a take no prisoners type of approach. Like they don't care what people think. They clearly feel as though that the criticisms are, are, you know, they're, they're prepared for it, they're okay with it, they understand it. And it's not something that they feel like they're new to based upon what their father has experienced during his time. And now they're, you know, it being their time, the, the kids turn to, to have at it. But getting this close to the draft and having, you know, the announcement that his jersey is going to be retired along with Travis Hunter, who won the Heisman, I just think that there continues to be maybe what I would say managing his brand and managing him as it applies to making him as attractive in this draft scenario as you possibly can, has gone horribly wrong. And it could play out in, in a positive manner where he plays well wherever it is that he gets drafted to. It could play out where he gets an opportunity to actually go in and learn the system and learn how to be a pro without having all of the pressure of being a number one, number two, number three overall pick in the draft. And, and he gets the final laugh on, on all of this. But the reality of it is, is that this is nothing new. The scrutiny and the criticisms that are lobbed towards top prospects going into the draft, there's, it's not new. And, and so for, for us to be here with Shador Sanders, I think there's so much more that is being considered even though, even though the reports are being, being focused in, on the field. I think it, it's a justification in people's minds to be able to criticize Shador Sanders and not make it sound like it's a personal attack towards him or a personal attack based off of how you feel about his father. But I certainly think that that is what this is all about because it's such a large, it's such a large scale on where people fall on Shador Sanders from being a top draft pick prospect talent to not being a top pick prospect talent. And what's it based upon? He has had his success. He has done well with what his opportunities have been. Should the criticisms be as fierce and as intense as they are going towards Shador Sanders? What. What has he really done that would. Would warrant him to be looked at as a possibility of a problem other than showing his. His watch on his wrist, other than being very, very perfect time doing his music, you know, whatever it may be. What have we really. Shador doesn't get in trouble off the field. We never heard of him getting in trouble off the field. So if you're calling his character into, you know, into question as it applies to how will he fit? I think it's purely based off of how you feel his Persona comes across to you. And that, in a way, is personal. If you ask me, this is turned personal against your door Sanders. And, and the way that he's being reported on. And I don't think that that's bringing that back.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you bringing back. It's personal.

[Olivia Carville]

It's. I mean, that's something that they made it, right? I mean, wasn't that what, Colorado. Yeah. I mean, I don't. I think it was year one.

[Dan Patrick]

That was what they said, right?

[Olivia Carville]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's personal. People have made it personal with the, the Sanders family. And I can't say it's not. I hate to say it, but because they put the target on themselves with how they do things, I can't say it's not warranted because that's just how media works.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I mean, here's, here's the reality, you know, Travis Hunter, no one's gonna ever second guess at him getting his number retired. Petro's brought up Dion figures. And the more you look into that, you're kind of like, oh, yeah, miss that one. Like, if you were gonna retire a number two, that's probably the one you'd want to do it for, given his career during his time at Colorado and even the team's success. So there is the harsh reality of that comparison. Now, that's not going to take away from the records that Shador broke as a quarterback and the way they've uplifted the CU program. But the timing of it, too, which you brought up, Lavar. I mean, there's, there's other guys. Rashan Salaam again, won the Heisman, didn't get his retire till 2017. I mean, he had to wait. So, look, I, I mean, my, my immediate response to that's probably like, I don't know, you know, after Coach prime leaves, see you. If they're ever going to go back there. So it's like, well, you might as well honor them while they're there. You know, there's that element of things, but there's also the thought too, as far as, and this is probably for another segment because we're up against it. But, but as far as the evaluation of him as a prospect, and I'll just be very open about this, I liked him as the best quarterback in this draft class, and I liked it because I think his game translates to the NFL level based on his accuracy, based on, I think, you know, athletically what he can do. Now, he's not as dynamic of an athlete as Cam Ward and makes some of those plays, doesn't have as strong of an arm, but he can still make all the throws and he can still do things and layer throws that I feel like is easily comparable, if not better in regards to decision making than even some of what Cam Ord did. So there's, there's elements that I think in his game that can translate really well, and maybe he ends up in a better situation because of where he gets drafted. Maybe that's part of the brilliance of what they're trying to do with this. But I will say this, too. I don't think he's hiding who he is. I mean, I'll be, I'll be real with you. There's a lot of guys who I met through the draft process that were trying to hide who they were, bad character guys, guys who honestly didn't really work that hard. And we're trying to put on this facade of that they were something until they got drafted. Then once they got drafted, they reverted right back to what they were. I don't think anything Shador Sanders has advertised about himself is not genuine, is not a, a window into who he is. And I'd much rather have that if I'm a team and taking on Shador Sanders than having him get there. And all of a sudden you start seeing all this stuff, you're like, wait, who is this guy? So to me, at least I, I, I appreciate the fact that he's been genuine about who he is. He's not trying to hide anything.

[Olivia Carville]

I just don't think that people should underestimate a locker room, the influence and the power of a locker room. And I don't care what your position is, when Shador Sanders walks into the locker room of the team that brings him on, there is going to be at least a, a handful of veterans that are going to have an impact and an influence on him, whether he likes it or not. And, and that's a re. That like that's very real. You're Now I heard Cam, Cam Newton talking about how he went into a loser mentality locker room when he got drafted and those things had to change eventually. This, that and other. But let me tell you something. When you look at some of the veterans that are in some of these locker rooms, whether the team has a losing cult, not, they're not. Just because you have a losing culture doesn't mean that the players and the people in those locker rooms are losers. There's a lot of, of other elements that go into and play a part of why a team suffers and why a team comes up short and doesn't win. So I, I just think that we're. When people go too far off into making their judgments off of how will he integrate into the locker room. This is not high school, this is not college. These are grown ass men that are all getting paid, that some of them have families. Some of these guys, by the time they're almost done, they're granddads, like they're old. So I don't think people need to continue to act as though we need to handle people with baby gloves in terms of, oh my gosh, like what will he be, what will this personality be like when he gets into the locker rooms? Like, don't base your judgments off of the player. If you think that a player is too arrogant or to this or to that. There's been plenty of players that have arrogance about them. Plenty of players that have exuded the confidence that, that Shador Sanders is putting out there. It's just how it's perceived. Abdul has told people the entire time, I'm the number one prospect, period. I should go number one. I'm number one.

[Lavar Arrington]

People sit well with me.

[Olivia Carville]

I'll tell you, people aren't losing their minds over Abdul declaring that he's the best player. But Shador Sanders says it he's not a first round draft pick material. We don't know if he's even going to go in the top 10. We don't even know if he's going to go in the first round.

[Dan Patrick]

Like, come on, was it Mike Roch who had that report seem to tickle lavar a little bit?

[Olivia Carville]

He did. I mean, you know, this audience may not be up on that funny little game that you guys were playing. They don't read packer blitz.net no, no, they don't. I think that's a pretty funny one. And. But this is a different audience. So let's move on from I'll tell.

[Lavar Arrington]

You, Mike, Ro, you're a little slow on the draw today or partner.

[Olivia Carville]

Why is that?

[Lavar Arrington]

I'm like four up on you.

[Olivia Carville]

Oh, oh, oh. Well, because you're rested. You know, this audience may not know that you haven't been on camera or on TV or on radio for the the whole entire week so far. You chose to come in on the back end. You know, Q had to carry the load for you, you know. Pause.

[Lavar Arrington]

Coming up next year though, on the Dan Patrick show, we're going to tell you about somebody who's having to apologize for being brutally honest right here on fsr. Be sure to catch the live edition.

[Olivia Carville]

Of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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[Margie Murphy]

In 2020, a group of young women in a tidy suburb of New York City found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Olivia Carville]

Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body parts that looked exactly like my own.

[Margie Murphy]

I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream. It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography.

[Lavar Arrington]

This should be illegal, but what is this?

[Margie Murphy]

This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lavar Arrington]

It's the Dan Patrick show here on Fox Sports Radio.

[Olivia Carville]

Damn, damn, damn.

[Lavar Arrington]

Coming up top of next hour here, little over 10 minutes from now, we are going to tell you about one team in the NFL who's throwing out a bunch of different options in the draft. We got a lot of different options that are out there for them all in play, very high up in the NFL draft. That'll be yours here on fsr. A reminder, shortly after the show, the podcast will be going up. If you've missed any of today's show, be sure to check out the pod. Search Dan Patrick or two pros wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to also follow, rate or review the podcast again, just search Dan Patrick or two pros wherever you get your podcast. You'll see today's show posted right after we get off the air. And for that, we turn it over to our executive producer, Lee.

[Olivia Carville]

Good morning, everybody. Good morning, Jonas. Good morning, Lavar. Good morning, Brady. Guys, in case you missed this, a story out of the world of tennis.

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British tennis player Harriet Dart was heard.

[Olivia Carville]

On courtside microphones talking, talking some. Some BS on her opponent.

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She talked to the umpire and asked.

[Olivia Carville]

The umpire to please tell the opponent to wear deodorant because she smells. Can you tell her to wear deodorant? She smells really bad is what she had to say. She ended up losing to her opponent, Lois Boysen and an issued apology afterwards on Instagram saying, I want to apologize for what I said on the court today. It was a heat of the mom comment that I truly regret. That's not how I want to carry myself and I take full responsibility. I have a lot of respect for Lois and how she competed today.

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[Olivia Carville]

I mean, you have to issue out that type of a. You gotta issue out that type of a statement due to somebody's personal hygiene.

[Lavar Arrington]

Clearly it was true, bruh.

[Olivia Carville]

This world is, is. It's losing it, bruh.

[Lavar Arrington]

How often do you tell somebody they smell and it wasn't true? Like, why would, why would you say it if it wasn't true?

[Olivia Carville]

If you are that funky where you got where you gotta say it's disrespectful to the match itself. You stink. I'm not apologizing for you. That could have gave you a competitive edge. This is supposed to be a gentleman and a gentle woman's. This is a mutually respectful deal. Why you smell like that?

[Lavar Arrington]

Wash your ass.

[Olivia Carville]

It's not that hard. How about that? How about you take me into consideration here, Europe. Maybe Lois needs to be apologizing for put you in a position to have to apologize because people so God dang sensitive.

[Lavar Arrington]

There are some people just don't Wash your funky ass. There are some people who prefer just not to wear deodorant it, which is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard.

[Olivia Carville]

Well, they say it because it's a health risk, you know, it caused. They say it's what it causes cancer or something. Aluminum or something in it.

[Lavar Arrington]

You got, you got options. There's aluminum free deodorant. Like there's options.

[Olivia Carville]

Well, you got options to be able to play around people and be around people as well. If you choose to be funky and somebody isn't really up for it and want to be. Wants to be a part of it, you got to be ready to have those conversations too. That's fine. It's fine. If you don't want to use it for health purposes, that's great. But if your lack of. Of what were you saying? If your lack of smell is impacting me and my personal. My health, that's an issue.

[Lavar Arrington]

Listen, I have a rule. If you smell. Electric chair. Dang.

[Olivia Carville]

If you smell, you must go to.

[Lavar Arrington]

Jail, get trial, Forget anything.

[Olivia Carville]

Your smelly ass. Guilty.

[Margie Murphy]

In 2020, a group of young women found themselves in an AI fueled nightmare.

[Olivia Carville]

Someone was posting photos. It was just me naked. Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts.

[Margie Murphy]

This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope about the rise of deep fake pornography and the battle to stop it.

[Olivia Carville]

It.

[Margie Murphy]

Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.