Hour 1 - Philip Rivers' Murky Hall of Fame Candidacy

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 1: Philip Rivers' Murky Hall of Fame Candidacy

Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick (with Paulie, Seaton, Todd, and others)
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts / Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This hour dives deep into the surprise NFL news of Philip Rivers being signed to the Colts’ practice squad, reevaluates Rivers’ Hall of Fame (HOF) credentials, and also unpacks major college football storylines, especially the ongoing Notre Dame–ACC controversy following playoff selection snubs. Dan and the Danettes debate the legacy of prominent NFL QBs, the volatility of coaching positions, and the shifting sands of sports opinion. The hour is lively, debate-rich, and full of trademark Dan Patrick humor and perspective.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Philip Rivers Returns & Hall of Fame Candidacy

• Colts Practice Squad Signing:

  • Dan Patrick expresses surprise at Rivers’ signing, calling into question both Rivers’ playing readiness and the Colts' QB situation.
    • *“The Colts signing Philip Rivers to the practice squad. Now everybody seems to be focusing on… he’s a semifinalist for the Hall of Fame this year. Now I don’t think he’s a first ballot Hall of Famer. In fact, I think he’s a borderline Hall of Famer.” (04:03)
  • Wonders about the implications of Rivers joining the roster for his HOF eligibility timeline.
    • “Once he gets on the roster, he doesn’t have to play in a game… then they start the clock again. He won’t be eligible until 2031…” (04:20)

• HOF Discussions:

  • The panel debates if Rivers is HOF-worthy.
    • Dan: “He has, you know, longevity, durability, put up some big numbers, never won anything. But I think he’s going to get lumped in with that sort of second grouping there.” (12:10)
    • Seaton: “I don’t know why, but I feel that way about Philip Rivers, too… he was clearly one of the best quarterbacks of his era.” (17:39)
  • Rivers’ lack of postseason and Super Bowl achievements comes up repeatedly.
    • Paulie: “This comes down to not appearing in a Super Bowl.” (18:20)

• Poll Question:

  • Should Rivers care more about playing a few more games or being eligible for HOF voting?
    • Seaton: “Which would be more important to you? Playing a couple more games or the Hall of Fame?” (11:40)
    • Panel largely agrees: playing again would be the dream, even though it likely delays HOF chances (45:06).

• Comparative Legacy:

  • Comparisons to other QBs (Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Dan Fouts).
    • Dan on Eli: “Those two seasons (Super Bowl runs) are going to get him into the Hall of Fame with his name.” (15:33)
    • Rivers’ stats: 6th all time in touchdown passes (16:46).
    • On “eye test” for HOF: “Sometimes when you say, hey, is such and such a Hall of Famer? And you go, yes. Or how quickly you say yes.” (16:59)
  • Rivers compared to Dan Fouts: “I could see Philip Rivers, similar to Dan Fouts… that offense was wonderful to watch.” (47:10)

2. The Rapid Downturns in NFL Legacy Discussions

• Dan Patrick addresses how quickly perceptions change in the NFL for coaches and players.

  • Example: Chiefs and Andy Reid (“Oh, does Andy Reid want to stay around for this? Would he retire, maybe, you know, get a front office job with the Chiefs. Like that happened quickly here.” 06:29)
  • Example: Mike Tomlin’s future with Steelers, depending on QB situation and success.
  • Example: Jaden Daniels’ meteoric rise and subsequent fall as a franchise QB candidate.

• Quote:

  • “We love to do this. We react quickly and we jump to conclusions.” (06:29)

3. Notre Dame vs. ACC & College Football Playoff Selection Drama

• Notre Dame’s “Permanent Damage” with the ACC:

  • Dan reports on Athletic Director Pete Babaqua’s comments about the ACC attacking Notre Dame publicly regarding playoff selection.

    • Pete Babaqua: “What we were really surprised by and disappointed was how the ACC conference really went on a social media campaign, in my opinion, attacking our football program...” (26:30)

  • Dan’s Summary: “Don’t let your hatred for Notre Dame cloud your judgment of actually looking at this story… If your school was ranked higher than another school for five weeks and then all of a sudden nothing changed until it changed with the selection committee and you got jumped by that other school, you would have a problem with that.” (28:10)

• ND’s Unique Place in College Football:

  • The team discusses how Notre Dame controls its schedule, money flow, playoff access, and why joining a conference seems unlikely.

    • “There’s nothing in professional or college sports like Notre Dame... They're an island. They don’t answer to anybody.” (36:52)

  • Notre Dame’s playoff access (top 12 provision), debate about fairness and favoritism.

    • “You can’t say it’s a push or a nudge to join a conference and then give the top 12 provision to Notre Dame.” (36:52)

  • On Marcus Freeman’s Job Security:

    • Pete Babaqua reassures fans about keeping Freeman, even as NFL interest (Bears, Giants) allegedly grows.
    • “I make sure that he knows that he will be where he deserves to be. And that is at the top, top, top tier of college football coaches when it comes to compensation.” (33:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan Patrick, on Rivers’ odds in Seattle:

  • “If you’re going to make your debut after a five-year drought of not playing and you’re going to come in and play in Seattle against that Seattle defense, yikes.” (04:03)

• On NFL career value:

  • Paulie: “This is the dream.” — Talking about getting to play a few more games, even late in a career. (14:37)
  • Dan: “I don’t think he can take away from his resume... if he comes back, he doesn’t play well, I don’t think anybody’s expecting that.” (12:10)

• On Notre Dame’s uniqueness:

  • Paulie: “They don’t have to answer to a conference commissioner. They don’t have to share playoff shares. They’ll take the hit.” (36:52)
  • Dan (about ND): “They have the greatest luxury in college football.” (37:53)
  • Seaton: “They probably are (bigger than everyone else).” (39:21)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Event | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 04:03 | Dan on Rivers’ practice squad signing, HOF implications | | 06:29 | NFL legacies and how fast perceptions change | | 11:40 | Poll question: play more games or prioritize HOF? | | 12:10 | Debate: Rivers vs. other QBs for HOF eligibility | | 13:58 | Panel agrees: few more games is the dream | | 16:46 | Rivers’ top passing stats discussed | | 17:39 | Seaton/Panel: “Was Rivers ever the best of his era?” | | 18:20 | Rivers’ postseason struggles, no Super Bowl appearance | | 26:30 | ND AD Pete Babaqua criticizes ACC publicly | | 33:25 | Babaqua on Marcus Freeman contract and NFL rumors | | 36:52 | ND’s scheduling and independent status debated | | 39:21 | Is ND actually “bigger than everyone else”? | | 47:10 | Rivers compared to Dan Fouts, legacy trajectories |

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Flow & Tone

Conversational, lively, with a mixture of playful jabs and sharp insights. Dan and the Danettes blend nostalgia, stats, and “barstool” debate with real industry knowledge. There’s open skepticism of selection committees and sports media narratives, plus ongoing affection for the quirks of college football.

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For Listeners

• If you care about NFL or college football legacies, this hour is both accessible and opinionated, giving you a strong sense of why certain athletes and institutions matter (and frustrate).
• Notable segment for debate-lovers: The Rivers vs. Ryan vs. Fouts vs. Eli/Brees/Camparisons (15:11–18:20, 47:10), including the “Whose Career Would You Want?” game (48:24).
• Insider value: Rare candor on the inner workings of playoff selection, conference politics, and how legacy is constructed/dismantled in real time.

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Final Word

This hour sets up the central dilemma of sports legacy: what matters most—stats, championships, “eye test,” or lasting storylines? Whether it’s Philip Rivers fighting to stay relevant or Notre Dame’s battle to be treated as an equal (or exception), the Dan Patrick Show, as usual, gives sports fans their food for thought (and plenty to argue over).

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I think they're both 6 and 7 and you go, wait, oh my gosh. Now the Dolphins have played pretty well and, and tried to salvage a season with maybe a winning record. When it's all said and done, but with the Chiefs and you go, oh, that's when it starts to sink in of just how bad this has been now. And, and we love to do this. We, we react quickly and we jump to conclusions. Oh, if you're Andy Reid, do you want to stay around for this? Okay, they went in as a Super bowl contender, maybe the best odds to go to the Super Bowl. Even as late as a couple of weeks ago, they were still in the mix to be the super bowl favorite from the afc. And now it's, oh, does Andy Reid want to stay around for this? Would he retire, maybe, you know, get a front office job with the Chiefs. Like that happened quickly here. But the Chiefs are different. This will be Kelsey's last year. They thought they shored up the offensive line, still got to be able to run the football as great as Mahomes is and, you know, worthy and Rice got to be more consistent. So Chris Jones I'm watching yesterday or the day before an analyst where all of a sudden say, you know, Chris Jones just isn't the way, you know, he's not that player he once was. I'm like, a couple of weeks ago it was like, man, Chris Jones is awesome. It happens quickly. Oh, Travis Kelsey's washed. Okay. I was surprised he played one more year, but he's still a first ballot hall of Famer. But he does look like he's on his last legs. He had one catch in that last game. So now you start to look at a bigger picture with Andy Reid. We're looking at a bigger picture for Mike Tomlinson. Like this, this happens quickly in the NFL and that's what's surprising the Chiefs in this game against the Chargers. And, you know, they have to win. They have to win and they have to get a lot of help. But those are some of the things that I think look at big picture. Just because Mike Tomlin won the game this past weekend doesn't mean that I don't think that he's going to take another job or maybe go into TV this next year. I, I wouldn't be surprised. In fact, it feels like I'd be more surprised if he came back to Pittsburgh. But also, you have to factor in who is better than Mike Tomlin. It's just like we found out with James Franklin at Penn State. He might not be that upper echelon guy, but he's pretty good. And you bring in Matt Campbell, who has been pretty good, but he doesn't beat the big teams. His record against, you know, top 10 teams is not good. And you might be replacing James Franklin with Matt Campbell. And they're basically the same kind of coach. Be careful when you say we got get rid of that guy, who were we bringing in? And same thing with Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh. Who are you bringing in? Who's going to be better than him? Now? Do I think he's underachieved greatly in the last decade? Yes, I do. In that city with that talent? Yes, I do. But the key has been, and the key is for every, every one of these coaches, who's your quarterback? I mean, Aaron Rodgers, I don't think plays next year. Now you got to go in and get a quarterback. Mason Rudolph, he'll be a bridge quarterback. Can you get somebody? Is there somebody in there? Are you going to trade? Like, you got to have a game plan here. If I'm Mike Tomlin and I'm part of the draft process, I'm like, I got to get a quarterback. Because if you don't, just like we saw in Denver when Sean Payton came in, that wasn't his quarterback. And what did he do? He said, bo Nix is my quarterback and he wanted Bo Nix. Look at Mike Vrabel. If Rabel doesn't have Drake May, Mike Vrabel's not your coach of the year, but he found Drake May. Ben Johnson's not taking the Chicago job. If he has a bridge quarterback there, he wants to. He was going to wait and take the right job because I was going to have the right quarterback. And remember when Jaden Daniels was a top two, top three, top four quarterback, or if you're going to start your franchise, it was Jaden Daniels, that was three months ago, four months ago, that changed. That's quick. He's injury prone. Well, that was the big knock that he was injury prone. And his build, he was slight for a quarterback, very talented, had maybe the best rookie season that an NFL quarterback's ever had. But all of a sudden it's like, oh, that's right, Jaden Daniels. Because it wasn't long ago if you were going to start your franchise with any quarterback now people would have taken Jaden Daniels and it would have been a landslide. Now Drake may, might even get a Bo Nix in there, maybe Caleb Williams, but that's how quickly it changes in the NFL and that's what surprised me with the Chiefs. All of a sudden you start to hear Andy Reid want to be in a rebuild. I didn't know they'd be in a rebuild, but it certainly feels that way. Seaton, what's poll question today?

[Seaton]

Which would be more important to you? Playing a couple more games or the hall of Fame?

[Dan Patrick]

Can I have both?

[Seaton]

You can, but for the sake of this poll question.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

Well, this is the thing that I'm curious about with Philip Rivers because if he, if he makes the roster and now we reset the clock and it's five more years before he's eligible.

I think we're going to be looking at his numbers and all of a sudden they aren't going to be impressive. I think there's so many great quarterbacks putting up so many great numbers that I think he might get pushed down the totem pole a little bit that he has, you know, longevity, durability, put up some big numbers, never won anything. But I think he kind of gets, he's going to get lumped in with that sort of second grouping there. And he might be up against Aaron Rodgers going into the hall of fame in 2031 if Rogers doesn't play next year. So I wonder about that with Philip now, if he would come, if he comes back and plays and let's say they go to the playoffs, let's say they win a game in the playoffs. Now you've added to your resume something that's special. Maybe it's just one game, big win, but it becomes a great story. And I think that's, that was the curiosity I had that, okay, Philip has been coaching his son's high school team and now you're going to play. And I mean it almost feels like a movie. It, it does. It, it, it feels like, like a grown up Rudy version of oh my God, he's out there and he's 44 years of age, and, you know, he's a grandpa, but you come back and there's a chance to add your resume. I don't think he can take away from his resume. If he comes back, he doesn't play well. I don't think anybody's expecting that. But if you reset the clock now, all of a sudden, you bring in a whole new wave of quarterbacks that you might be competing for votes with. And I. He's a semifinalist this year, but once he goes to the active roster, then he's taken out of consideration for the Pro Football hall of Fame.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, this is what every NFL player wants. They want to come back for four weeks. Steve Young comes on the show every month and says, if I could play right now, I would. You asked J.J. watt if he could walk out of the booth, play two games, and then go right back to the booth and push his clock back five years. He probably would. And. And this is one of those anomaly situations with Breeze that he knows it's a temp job at the Most.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but J.J. wants a first ballot. Hall of Famer. Philip Rivers is not, I guess what.

[Paulie]

Philip Rivers is, I think 44, you said.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

The hall of Fame is the hall of Fame or not. And he has no control, and he gets to play one or two or three more football games for a good team.

[Seaton]

This is.

[Paulie]

This is the dream.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

Not to be Debbie Downer, but I'll wear that hat. What if it's a total disaster, though? He goes out there, pick six, he's over and under throwing receivers. The ball's got a little squiggle to it, and he looks like he has no business being out there for whatever reason.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think anybody would be surprised at that. I think we'll be surprised if he's good. I don't think anybody's gone. Yeah. Doesn't look good. No mobility, no arm strength.

[Todd]

No hall of Fame for you now.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I. You know, once again, I think he's a borderline hall of Famer, and I'm not involved in the process. Yes.

[Paulie]

Paulie, here are some of the semifinalists he's up against, specifically at the quarterback position this year. Tim. It's Drew Brees and it's Eli Manning in year two. And Eli. Everyone thinks Eli Manning, year two is in, and I can't imagine Drew Brees not getting in.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah. Drew Brees should be first Battle hall of Fame.

[Paulie]

That would be a shocker.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paulie]

Drew Brees So that means it's tough this year for him.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I. Once again, I'm glad I don't vote on this process. I, you know, because it's a thankless job. But I, I don't view Philip Rivers as anywhere near a First Battle hall of Famer. I mean, if he gets in, great. I mean, it's just like Eli. I don't view him as a Hall of Famer, but he did the things that got people's attention. He won two of the biggest Super Bowls. He stopped an undefeated team. He beat the Patriots twice, and he played really well in those games. Those two seasons are going to get him into the hall of Fame with his name. He did have durability, you know, rarely missed a game if he missed any. And, you know, he's got 300 touchdowns and 60,000 yards.

But, you know, it changes, though, the numbers of how important. You, like Matt Ryan, you know, you got the mvp. That makes him probably a Hall of Famer. He got to the super bowl, that. But then they lost that super bowl in dramatic fashion. So I don't, you know, once again, you're trying to sort this out. But Philip Rivers, it's a great story, Great story. And I hope that he comes back and he's able to play where he's proud of how he's playing. Yeah. Pauling.

[Paulie]

Phil Rivers right now is sixth all time in touchdown passes. 421. He's ahead of Marino, Rothsberger, Matt Stafford.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, etc.

[Paulie]

Etc.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Once again, it's the eye test, because sometimes when you say, hey, is such and such a Hall of Famer? And you go, yes. Or how quickly you say yes. Because sometimes when we have people on, I'll go, hey, such and such hall of Famer. Well, then, no. Or, you know, like Matthew Stafford. Who did we have on. Was it Sal Palantonio and I. And he's a voter and I said, Matthew Stafford, he's like, oh, yeah, absolutely. Like, okay. Because then, you know, I've had somebody who was a voter before who said, you know, Stafford winning the mvp, that would solidify the hall of Fame. Yeah, Seaton. Yeah.

[Seaton]

You know, I kind of. I don't know why, but I feel that way about Philip Rivers, too. I mean, I know he didn't win what everybody expected him to win, but he was clearly one of the best quarterbacks of his era.

[Dan Patrick]

But he was never the best quarterback of his era.

[Seaton]

Not the best, but one of the best for sure.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. He was probably.

In the top five to seven. Is that fair?

[Paulie]

Stat wise, he was always there with touchdowns. He only led the league in touchdowns once. He was a eight time Pro Bowler.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Was never all pro.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

First team all Pro.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. So never the best quarterback. But you know, he went against some pretty, pretty impressive resumes there. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, this comes down to not appearing in a Super Bowl.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, he didn't do well in the playoffs. Yes. I think he had a losing record in the postseason.

[Paulie]

Yes. His record in the postseason is five and seven for his career in.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Seven playoff appearances.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, we'll settle on a poll question. The Notre Dame story is not going away because their athletic director, Pete Babaqua at a press conference yesterday. Now, there was one thing that came up during the press conference, aside from my name, that I found really interesting. And I'll talk about that coming up. We'll take a break here. We'll get to your phone calls as well and I think anything else that needs to be mentioned here. Anything, Anything.

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C mintmobile.com if Philip Rivers starts for the Colts at any point, well, let's say he starts on Sunday. That'll be a gap of 1,806 days between games. So you can go back to 1970. That's as far back as they go with these numbers. The only NFL quarterback with a longer gap between games played and these were starts was John Reeves. He played for the Houston Oilers and He played in 1981. His next NFL start was a replacement player for the Buccaneers in 1987. So he went six years without playing.

Without playing. There you go.

That was the strike here, 1987. Well, I remember covering those games. I was in New York and it was like, oh my gosh, you're going out there. And it was a mess because, you know, players crossing the picket line. And I just remember this isn't going to end well. And then it finally ended. But the strike year 1987. We get to phone calls coming up, Notre Dame press conference yesterday, their athletic director, Pete Bavaqua, and he had some things to say. Now, this was a scheduled press conference. I think there were a lot of people, including myself, that thought, okay, he's going to have this press conference after coming on our show and talking about how there was permanent damage done by the ACC that the ACC apparently didn't go to bat or had some disparaging comments about Notre Dame. But Notre Dame's not part of the acc. They are with the other sports. So I understand they're going to promote Miami. And also you're in the ACC with all your other sports, but not football. If you go to a bowl game, the ACC doesn't get money from Notre Dame. So I understand some of this and you know, the back and forth. But I would caution people in my business, don't let your hatred for Notre Dame cloud your judgment of actually looking at this story with both sides or, you know, your love for Notre Dame, don't let that cloud your judgment with this. I think everybody should understand if your school was ranked higher than another school for five weeks and then all of a sudden nothing changed until it changed with the selection committee and you got jumped by that other school, you would, you would have a problem with that. And that's the only point that I make with this. You know, Miami, if you want to say head to head, they should have been ranked in front of Notre Dame and we could have prevented all of this. But there's back and forth going on. And here is the athletic director disappointed by the acc.

[Pete Babaqua]

What we were really surprised by and disappointed was how the ACC conference really went on a social media campaign, in my opinion, attacking our football program. And it raised a lot of eyebrows. And we made our feelings known that we didn't particularly understand this. And it just kind of puzzled us that a conference that's home to over 600 of our student athletes walking around this campus today, I guess chose to.

[Dan Patrick]

Go down that road.

[Pete Babaqua]

I guess intellectually I understand it, but I certainly don't agree with it. And why would you attack an unbelievably important business partner of yours in football and a member of your conference in 24 other sports?

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, once again, Miami's affiliation with the ACC is a full member. Notre Dame's is not the football program. You know, you play a limited ACC schedule, you're not sharing revenue with football when you get to the playoffs. So I understand. Now, I don't know what was said in the meeting. As I told you that I had a source who said this topic was three hours long. Notre Dame, Miami with the College Football Playoff committee. Three hours. And they've been talking about this for quite some time. Everybody knew what it was to where it turned out to be with Miami and Notre Dame. And that's sort of the back and forth fallout with this. And my point is, and will always be Notre Dame.

It feels like there's a, hey, you guys got, you wanted this, you got it, you deserve this. You, you know, eat it. And, and I understand that there's a hatred for Notre Dame, but also, if you're looking at this, just take out these two schools and put your, your team and then another team in there and then say, and then say to yourself, how would you feel if that happened? Now, the other stuff, I don't think that they should have said, hey, we're not going to play in a bowl game. Or, you know, maybe they pull out of the ACC with the other programs that they have. Maybe they join the Big Ten with everything but football. I mean, I don't know what permanent damage means. But now the Big 12 commissioner, Brent, your mark, he came in, he's not happy with Notre Dame. I will say this, and I'm, and I'm a little outspoken about it. I don't like how Notre Dame's reacted to it. I think Pete's. His, his behavior has been egregious. It's been egregious going after Jim Phillips when they saved Notre Dame during COVID.

We all knew, and it was very transparent. Hunter was very transparent about it. The chair that as Notre Dame and Miami got closer together, head to head would be a factor. Okay, BYU lost. They became closer together, head to head made a difference in that, in that decision. So I think he is totally out of bounds in, in his approach. And he was in the room. I'd tell him the same thing. Okay, that's the. A Big 12 commissioner. Brett, your mark. The thing that I would say to the commissioner is, what if BYU was where Notre Dame was for 5 weeks and Miami jumped by you?

Your response would be, what, Commissioner? Hey, that's what we signed up for. Because that's what he said with Notre Dame and Pete Babaqua. Once again, I, I couldn't care less about Notre Dame if they're in or out. I do care about the process of this. That's the bigger picture. That's the issue that we should focus on. You know, this is a committee that, you know, it's clandestine. We don't know what's going on, different agendas. And you're trying to get a process that. Okay, let me at least understand the process. That's all. And then if it doesn't go our way, okay, at least I understand it. I don't understand the process. And I told you about teams that play in conference championships. The last 22, 20 of the last 22 that lost in a conference championship game, dropped in the rankings.

Alabama this year is one of those two. I didn't understand it. I thought they got roughed up by Georgia and they should have dropped. But once again, when a source tells me last week, in his mind, this is before everything happened, when he says to me, I think they're setting Notre Dame up to be disappointed. His words. So something was at play, it feels like. And that's where I'm saying to people in, in my business, look at both sides to this. Don't let your judgment, you know, your opinion of Notre Dame cloud your judgment. That would be the only thing that I would say. And you know, Pete Bavacqua on this feels like a petty tour. You know, I, I understand where people are going to go, oh, who do you think you are? Notre Dame. Notre, Dame, okay? They have a top 12 provision they've somehow navigated, negotiated, that they're going to be in the top 12 next year, then they're in the playoffs. This leaked out over the weekend. Here is Pete Babakwa talking about that top 12 provision.

[Pete Babaqua]

People have asked me, well, you know, how come Notre Dame gets that benefit? And it's, you know, we, we still have to, we have to prove it on the field more than anybody. I mean, we still have to put ourselves in that area, that zip code of a top 12 team. But we want to protect ourselves against, like, what happened this year.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

Why did they give them that top 12 provision? If you, if you have to earn it on the field, then you don't need a top 12 provision.

That was surprising. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, Wouldn't every school want to protect themselves in a similar fashion? If they're going to be a bubble team in and around the 12 spot.

[Dan Patrick]

Guaranteed schools and conferences, you can't do that. I mean, Notre Dame's a standalone. There's nobody like Notre Dame.

[Todd]

Did they ever offer an explanation why they agreed to that?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't, I don't know.

[Todd]

I don't need to explain why they said, okay, yeah, that's, I see your point. That's okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Somebody should ask the chairman of the committee, ask, you know, why did you agree to this? Did you agree to this? Why did you agree to this?

[Paulie]

I'm sure he'll join us this week.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I'm sure they, they'd love to, but. Yeah, that was wild. Okay. But all of that was going on yesterday. The one thing that stood out was Pete Babaqua, the Notre Dame athletic director. He talked about Marcus Freeman and he volunteered this up about Marcus. MARCUS Freeman, NFL COACH.

[Pete Babaqua]

I make sure that he knows that he will be where he deserves to be. And that is at the top, top, top tier of college football coaches when it comes to compensation. Every year I view his contract, although a multi year contract is a living, breathing document that we will revise every year as need be to make sure he's where he deserves to be. He knows he has that commitment from me and more importantly from the university.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Because there's some chatter, there was chatter last year that maybe the Bears would be interested in Marcus Freeman. And I think his buyout until they extended his contract was $4 million. Now I think it's $40 million. Because now the Giants, they're on the clock needing a coach and would they be interested in Marcus Freeman? And I think that's what Pete Bavak was saying, almost as if to say, hey, we're proud that our coach is wanted by NFL teams, but he's staying here. That's a living, breathing document. I don't know what that means. Has it got a heartbeat? Most of these college coaches don't. They have living, breathing documents. Contracts. Yes.

[Seaton]

Just making it known that that is flexible at any moment.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Seaton]

A new contract this week and then another one next week.

[Dan Patrick]

No problem. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, it did feel like an announcement to both Marcus Freeman that if you get an offer, we'll match it, and to the public, if he gets an offer, we're ready to match it. You know, like, don't even bother.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. So that kind of stood out that he's addressing that the NFL could be interested in Marcus Freeman and that they did change the buyout there considerably, I believe, from 4 million to 40 million. But we know, you know, these things are broken every year feels like every week. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, is that also said to assure himself and the Notre Dame faithful we're not going to miss out on the playoff and lose our coach just, you know, those two things are not going to both happen in a short period of time.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe, maybe. I mean, I don't know all the agendas in play here. When Pete agreed to come on and talk, knowing what the questions were going to be and then to then say that there's permanent damage that was done by the acc.

He knows what he was doing. Now. I don't know what the fallout. I, I, I imagine that we're going to revisit this in a month from now, or Notre Dame is certainly going to be like, okay, when you say permanent damage, okay, now what happens? You still going to stay in there? And then what you're going to say, you know what, we're going to go to the Big Ten.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paul, I think that's what I most want to know, and people want to know what was the agenda of the playoff committee with Notre Dame? Was the agenda to push them towards joining a conference? Because that's what a lot of people think that this would be a nudge toward. And what is Notre Dame doing this week?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you can't say it's a push or a nudge to join a conference and then give the top 12 provision to Notre Dame that says if you finish in the top 12, you're in the playoffs. Yeah, you can't, you can't have both agendas in play here. And if, if it's true that they said to Notre Dame, if you finish in the top 12, you're in the playoffs while saying, oh, looks like they're trying to nudge them to Join a conference. Notre Dame's not joining a conference. They make their own schedule. I mean, you're going to take the hit. You get all the money. Like, you're not going to do this. You're going to join the acc. Why would you join the acc? For football. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, is there another athletic team, pro or college, that makes their own schedule? I mean, think about it. There's nothing in professional or college sports like Notre Dame. They're an island. They don't answer anybody. If a player gets in trouble, they don't have to answer to a conference commissioner. They don't have to share playoff shares. They'll take the hit.

[Dan Patrick]

The Harlem Globetrotters make their own schedule.

[Paulie]

They always play that one team.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Seaton]

A lot of logistics, though, still.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah, that's true. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, if they try to, for lack of a better word, join a conference and it wasn't up to what they had in mind, can you go back to being independent or. Once the toothpaste. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. How does that work? We'll try this for a year or two or make some kind of deal with a conference, and then all of a sudden they decide, I elect it back the way it was. Could they do that?

[Dan Patrick]

Why would you join a conference for.

[Todd]

A year or whatever. Whatever the deal is over what, a four or five year period of time that they thought this was, you know, now is the time to join a conference and it ends up being something that they wish they didn't do. And now they want to be independent again. Is that something they'd be able to do?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know. I don't think that's something that is on the table. That they have the greatest luxury in college football. What? There's no reason to join a conference. And if you're going to join a conference, you're not all of a sudden going to go, you know, on second thought, we didn't really think this out. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paul, the other thing about Notre Dame and which makes them both likable and hateable, is that they are special in. Because of this. Not special necessarily, positive or negative, but that they control everything. And the brand is. They have their own network. They're in this kind of no man's land of college football in a good way. So they're never going to give that up totally.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no. There's so many schools that would love to be in the same position with Notre Dame. They would, but this is going to continue and we'll see what the repercussions are with the ACC moving forward there. But I would ask that Big 12 commissioner, if he would come on, how would you have felt if BYU got jumped by Miami and byu, your team in your conference didn't play? I would ask all these conference commissioners because nobody's going to say, oh, you know what? That's what we signed up for. So I think it's disingenuous of the Big 12 commissioner to be critical of Notre Dame and Pete Baqua for that part of this. The other stuff. You can be critical of Notre Dame. Yeah, you can. Oh, you're going to take your ball and go, oh, you guys think you're bigger than. Yes, they probably do.

[Seaton]

They probably are.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Seaton]

I hate to break it to you, but they are. That's why they're able to do these things.

[Dan Patrick]

And the committee is saying you are bigger because you get a top 12 provision.

Fine. Bomb will be firing, though. He'll be, he'll be. Oh, he'll be all.

[Paulie]

This is T ball for him.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, he's going to be crushing Notre Dame a little later on when he joins us. We'll take a break. We get to your phone calls. Coming up, settle on our poll question and. And our play of the day is next. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Did you know Tide has been upgraded to provide an even better clean in cold water. Tide is specifically designed to fight any stain you throw at it. Even in cold butter. Yep. Chocolate ice cream. Sure thing. Barbecue sauce. Tide's got you covered. You don't need to use warm water. Additionally, Tide pods let you confidently fight tough stains with new coldzyme technology. Just remember, if it's gotta be clean, it's gotta be Tide.

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Check this out with 1.3. It's got to be quick. Bovic into Rob shoots from three.

Yes. It scores it. Rob right the third just won it for BYU. Game winning three. It got off and the Ks win it. 67, 64.

[Pete Babaqua]

Wow.

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[Seaton]

Yeah, we got up there a little bit of a Philip Rivers poll question.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, which would be more important to.

[Seaton]

You, playing a few more games or sort of getting the hall of Fame voting going? It's a little tough to word that, I guess.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, so not getting in the hall of Fame, but pushing.

[Seaton]

So pushing the voting back five years or let's get the voting going right now. Yeah, you know, or you could play a couple of games right now. Playing a few more Games has about 55% of that, but which I, I agree with. I think, I think Paul had brought it up. But the one thing these guys all want is the ability to play a couple more games and then hall of Fame. You get in. That'd be cool. If you don't get in, whatever. I know what I did. Blah this and, but man, the ability to play a couple more games, he's. Philip Rivers is never getting that chance again.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I think the further he gets pushed back, the clock resets, the tougher it's going to be for him to get in. Since 1990, there have been 11 modern era quarterbacks elected to the hall of Fame. Ten of those were elected in the first year of eligibility. Dan Fouts, Joe Montana, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Brett Favre and Peyton Manning.

Dan Fouts was the one who was not elected in his first year of eligibility.

This is the st of the day.

Oh, it's emi. Kurt Warner. I didn't even mention him on there, did I?

[Paulie]

No, it's towards the bottom.

Warner does make sense, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, Kurt. Yeah, Kurt Warner elected on the third bound. I'm surprised. Dan Fouts was the first Battle hall of Famer. Very good quarterback with Air Corell, but, you know, they went to a conference title Game. Maybe they. Maybe they went to two, but they lost the game to the Bengals. They had that. Oh, no, they. They would have beaten the Dolphins. And then they played Cincinnati the next week in the AFC title game and lost that. And I could see Philip Rivers, similar to Dan Fouts.

In Fouts. You know, that offense was wonderful to watch.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, I could see that too. Fouts and Rivers being compared. Chargers not making the big game. But there was a four year window where Fouts led the NFL in passing and seemed to reinvent it almost before Dan Marino. And he was first team all pro twice. Second team all pro twice. Yeah, that's a monster run.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Right before Dan Marino showed up.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Had Charlie Joyner, John Jefferson.

They. They had some fun offensive players, man. Hey, that. They. You know, those uniforms. You always looked faster, y'. All. You always looked better. You know, it's like somebody who shows up at a tuxedo. They always look better because they're in a tuxedo. Yes.

[Paulie]

We should do a list of teams that you rooted for if you didn't have a dog in the fight. Or let's say you're an NFC fan. Cause the 80s Chargers were up there. UNLV, Rebels basketball. If you didn't have a team, they were cool back in the day and you just kind of glommed on.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Fab Five as well. I had a couple of phone calls in here and we're going to play. Whose career would you want? All you want to get. Are we getting stats and then we decide whose career?

[Paulie]

No, I'm going to go. Names and bios.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right.

[Paulie]

Whose career would you want? The first one is Philip Rivers. I think he made seven Pro Bowls. Never made it to a Super bowl, was never an mvp.

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[Paulie]

Or Matt Ryan, four time Pro Bowler, won an mvp but had probably the most, and maybe not probably the most painful loss in super bowl history.

[Dan Patrick]

I'd rather have Matt Ryan's career.

He won an MVP and he went to the Super Bowl. Like, I like how we put all the blame on Matt Ryan and not on the coaching staff, you know, but you still.

[Paulie]

This is a toughie.

[Dan Patrick]

I'd rather have Matt Ryan's career mvp and he went to a Super bowl and he's probably going to the hall of Fame.

Wow. You guys have turned on me. It's the holiday season.

[Paulie]

It's not anti Matt Ryan. It's anti resume.

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[Dan Patrick]

I think it's anti me. Yeah.

[Seaton]

I mean, even. Even though that was. It's not Matt Ryan's fault. That they lost that game by any stretch of the imagination.

[Dan Patrick]

But.

Is there a but?

[Seaton]

Well, no, but I, I would still want to get there. I want to play in the Super Bowl. Even if it is this crushing loss that's haunts him every single day.

[Paulie]

He wakes up out of a sweat. He does.

[Seaton]

I believe he still does because he gets asked about it. Every round of golf he plays, three.

[Dan Patrick]

People ask him about it. I know, I know every super bowl when he comes on, he knows he's getting asked the question. I have to kind of disguise it in a way that we somehow get there. And then he answers it again.

[Paulie]

Last time we had him on, we asked him about the worst loss and we met NFL weekend.

What are we getting to, Dan?

[Todd]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Like a trigger.

[Dan Patrick]

He's right. He's right. I, I didn't realize it, but I, I wasn't talking about the Super Bowl.

[Seaton]

That's not what we were saying.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, my gosh. David in Ohio leads us off. Hi, David. What's on your mind?

Hey, what's up, Dan? I got four older quarterback rhyme time here for you, for the room. Okay. First one is Steelers and World Series winner.

Steelers, world scene. Yes. Todd Rogers.

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Dodgers.

[Dan Patrick]

Correct. Todd got that one. Next one. There we go. Fox analyst and sketchy. Fox analyst. Sketchy.

Yes. Todd. Older quarterback, Brady Shady. Brady Shady, number two. Yeah. All right. Third one here. Bengals QB and cigar.

Bengals qb, Cigar.

Older, older quarterback, Boomer.

He's currently on the roster. Dan. Oh, older. Oh. Flacco.

Tobacco. Yeah.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, David. That's pretty good. Pretty good. One hour in the books, two more to go. You should give Dominic Foxworth a heads up that he's going to have to decide. Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan, hall of Famers. What a matchup we got, y'.

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