Hour 1 – Swings and Misses in the NBA, Chaos in the College Football Playoff

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 1 Summary

Episode: Swings and Misses in the NBA, Chaos in the College Football Playoff
Date: December 4, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick and the Danettes

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Episode Overview

This episode delves into two main sports storylines: high-profile miscalculations by NBA franchises and the tumult surrounding college football's coaching carousel and playoff selection. Dan Patrick and his team discuss recent NBA "swings and misses," focusing on failed roster moves and trade rumors, particularly surrounding Giannis Antetokounmpo. The second half addresses the chaos in college football—coaching changes, the agent landscape, and National Signing Day's impact—with the hosts debating the consequences and strategy changes for recruits and programs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA "Swings and Misses": Big Trades, Big Risks

• Giannis and the Bucks: Window Closing

  • The Bucks’ gamble to bring in Damian Lillard (“a great swing,” per Dan) has backfired. Giannis, injured and rumored to want out, leaves the franchise at a crossroads.
  • Quote:

    “Aggression cuts both ways. When it works, you get to hang banners. When it doesn’t, it’s a disaster.” — Dan Patrick [05:24]

  • The Bucks’ “swing” was meant to extend a championship window but instead has left them under .500 and facing uncertainty for their superstar’s future.

• Trade Rumors & Potential Destinations for Giannis

  • Knicks, Clippers, Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, and Heat all named as possible trade scenarios for Giannis. The hosts weigh the cost and return of trading a superstar.
  • The OKC Thunder’s trove of draft picks was dissected as a hypothetical Giannis destination, with chemistry vs. star power debated.
  • Marvin’s concern: Giving up too much depth undermines title hopes, referencing how recent champions have relied on strong supporting casts, not just stars.

• Team Downfalls: Clippers, Mavericks

  • Both franchises made bold moves to build veteran “super teams” only to see their assets depleted and windows close quickly.
  • Quote:

    “You take a swing, you take a miss. And sometimes it can hurt a franchise for a long, long time.” — Dan Patrick [05:58]

• On the Lillard Trade in Retrospect

  • The crew agrees the trade seemed like a good idea (“for some reason, it just didn’t click”—Seaton [11:32]).
  • Giannis' legacy is at stake, as he needs more rings to be a “top 10 all-timer” (Marvin [13:21]).
  • Stat of the day: Christian Laettner lost more games in two weeks as an NBA rookie than in four years at Duke — a symbol of the pain of moving from winning to struggling franchises.

2. College Football Chaos: Coaches, Contracts, and Recruiting

• Penn State Coaching Change & The Agent Reality

  • The firing of James Franklin has triggered a wave of contract extensions across college football, contributing to over $370 million in deals (“Thank you, Penn State,” Dan jokes [23:58]).
  • The power of agent Jimmy Sexton in shaping where coaches will or won’t go was discussed, sparked by a caller’s observation.
  • Quote:

    “Make no mistake about it, Jimmy Sexton is controlling college football with all the coaches that he represents.” — Dan Patrick [29:54]

• Mike Tomlin and Penn State Rumors

  • Ben Roethlisberger’s comments about Tomlin needing a “fresh start”—potentially at Penn State—ignite a lively discussion about whether Tomlin would want to coach in college.
  • Dan references Tomlin’s famous “never say never, but never” dismissal of college coaching rumors from 2021, emphasizing the difference in coaching lifestyles.

• National Signing Day Takeaways

  • Breakdown of which programs scored big on signings (USC, Oregon, North Carolina, West Virginia) and which struggled (Penn State with just two).
  • Discussion about recruiting strategy—take proven transfers or swing for top high school prospects?
  • Quote:

    “These kids are 17, 18 years of age and you’re going on potential. … That’s a five-star recruit. And North Carolina did okay. USC did great. Penn State struggled, as you might expect, without a head coach.” — Dan Patrick [35:36]

• Poll Question Debate: What Matters Most for Recruits?

  • Should recruits’ school choice hinge on the coach, the chance to reach the NFL, a shot at winning, or NIL deals?
  • Dan and Seaton favor “coach” as the most important factor; Todd notes the pull of instant NIL money, but Dan counters with the necessity of long-term perspective and parental guidance.
  • The Danettes observe that with the expanded playoff and NIL, more recruits can make a mark from “second-tier” schools.

• NIL and the “Bidding War” Reality

  • Dan reports a high school tight end getting $2 million in NIL offers—“that’s what a lot of these programs are doing” even before college [45:48].
  • The recruiting game is now about both exposure and instant compensation.

• College Football Playoff Speculation

  • The hosts parse playoff matchups, Texas coach Steve Sarkisian’s public lobbying, and the scenario that “Don’t lose to Florida” becomes the only thing that matters for playoff inclusion (caller Mark in Dayton [43:23]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan Patrick on NBA trades:

  “Aggression cuts both ways. When it works, you get to hang banners. When it doesn’t, it’s a disaster.” [05:24]

• Marvin on the risk of star trades:

  “Giannis and Brunson aren’t going to win an NBA title just with them and just a bunch of guys.” [10:02]

• Dan Patrick on Giannis’ legacy:

  “He’s playing for a top 10 all time spot now with his numbers. And you can’t be an all timer, at least a top 10 all timer, without more than one ring.” [13:21]

• Stat of the Day—on losing:

  “In four years at Duke, [Christian Laettner] lost 26 games. As a rookie with the Timberwolves, in ‘92, he lost 63 games.” [13:37]

• On the agent influence in CFB:

  “Jimmy Sexton is controlling college football with all the coaches that he represents.” — Dan Patrick [29:54]

• Mike Tomlin, on college coaching speculation (archive clip):

  “Why would I have any interest in coaching college football? That’ll be the last time that I address it. … Never say never, but never.” [32:21]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 02:36 — Show proper launch: big picture on NFL, NBA, and guests
• 05:24 — NBA trades analysis begins: Bucks, Dame Lillard, Giannis trade rumors
• 10:02 — Debate: Knicks trading for Giannis—does depth matter more than stars?
• 13:21 — Discussion on Giannis’ legacy and statistical achievements
• 23:12 — Penn State coaching fallout triggers massive new contracts elsewhere
• 25:34 — Poll question: What do college recruits value most—coach, NFL odds, winning, or NIL?
• 29:54 — Caller on Jimmy Sexton’s influence over college coaching jobs; Dan agrees
• 32:21 — Mike Tomlin “never say never, but never” speech revisited
• 35:36 — National Signing Day recap, with best/worst programs outlined
• 43:23 — College Football Playoff selection debate and caller’s analogy to past Ohio State teams
• 45:48 — NIL “bidding war” for high school tight end (reported at $2 million)
• 46:24 — Marvin and Dan recall Saban & Calipari using the NFL/NBA draft as a recruiting tool

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Concluding Thoughts

This episode is an energetic breakdown of risk, reward, and fallout in sports—whether it’s NBA teams mortgaging the future for a shot at glory, or college football programs contending with an arms race of agent leverage, NIL, and the rapid-evolving recruiting marketplace. The Danettes’ playful banter about NBA hypotheticals, coaching rumors, and the unpredictability of college athletics, ensures the analysis is both insightful and entertaining for listeners.

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For more behind-the-scenes sports insight, check out the upcoming features with Kurt Warner and Brian Windhorst in the next hour.

Transcript

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[Todd]

Is he returning?

[Dan Patrick]

No, he hasn't been here yet. But I know what you're doing with the return of the jet.

[Todd]

Thank you. I was concerned there for a sec. I knew it wasn't funny, but I was hoping he was gonna at least get the Star wars reference.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I didn't know we needed to interrupt me. I was just getting into the show.

[Todd]

How am I doing so far today? Two minutes in.

[Dan Patrick]

Great. I'm gonna give you a B minus.

[Todd]

As you were.

[Dan Patrick]

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You also have Dallas, the Mavericks, they emptied future draft picks. They build around Luca, then they trade Luca. They bring in a aging, injury prone big man. They're 8 and 15. You take a swing, you take a miss. And sometimes it can hurt a franchise for a long, long time. Yeah. Paulie.

[Paulie]

20, 20, 20, 21. The Milwaukee Bucks won the NBA Finals. Mike Budenholzer, two years later, they have a first round exit and they fire him. And it's one of those situations where your expectations get heightened and you get rid of the person who caused those expectations to happen and you have a.

[Dan Patrick]

Window of opportunity here. And they thought bringing in a guy who can help in the pick and roll with Giannis, with Dame, Lillard, but it didn't work out the way it was scripted. And now Dame is done and Giannis could be as well. But this is what you don't want to do. If you're Milwaukee, you don't go. Now who could we trade him to? Okay, he wants to go to the Knicks. How about we bring in Carl Anthony Towns? That's not an answer. That would not solve the problem here. If you're Milwaukee, then can you get X number of first round picks for Giannis? I mean, Oklahoma City doesn't have enough roster spots for all of the draft picks they're going to have. What if you said to an OKC can say, well, we want a title without him, right now we're 21 and 1. We don't need him. But if you think about it, if you're OKC, you got three picks in the first 15 this year, right? Now, what if you said, we'll give you these three first round picks and Maybe a player or two. And you bring in giannis at age 31.

To me, that would be intriguing from Milwaukee's perspective. I don't know what OKC would think about this, but you bring Giannis in with that group, and you don't want to mess with chemistry. As much as we like to go, oh, well, man, imagine that you put an All Star on that team and you. You got great chemistry, obviously. But other teams that are mentioned, San Antonio spurs, pairing him with Victor Wembanyama. Okay, the Rockets names, just another team that's come up. So there's going to be a lot of teams that would be interested. The Miami Heat. They seem to come up, you know, all the time when it comes to trades, potential trades. But we'll talk to Wendy about that. That. What can you get in return? Because you got to think of it two ways. It's. We always think of the player going to the team. And you go, yes, but what about the team who's giving up that star player? It's like Luca, you know, we celebrate it, man. He's going to the Lakers. Good for the Lakers. And then I go, okay, what's Dallas getting? And that's the bad part of the deal. If you would have said that they got a couple of players you could build on and that were younger, then you go, okay, I kind of get it. But Anthony Davis, and then you have a GM goes, well, you know, you win with defense. Yeah, if the guy's healthy enough to play defense, then maybe you do. But you did get to an NBA Finals with a guy who was out of shape, and now he goes to the Lakers. It's. What do you get in return? That's what I would want to know. You know, if I'm the Knicks and I can get Giannis, hell yeah, you got to win a title. I mean, it's been a long, long time since you won a title. So now you get a. A chance to put Brunson with Giannis. Okay, now, I know you're going to give up, you know, players, but what. I mean, you get an opportunity to get a guy like this, and yes, it might be a window of three years or four years to win that title, but the Celtics are down this year. Not like now is the year to take advantage of that with no Jason Tatum. I mean, who are you going against? Detroit? Miami? Indiana doesn't have Halliburton. So take advantage of the window of opportunity, certainly in the east, to get to the NBA Finals. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

All right, My issue is when The Knicks get eliminated if they get Giannis because they don't have enough depth. It's because you traded Carl Anthony Towns, Josh Hart, landry shamit, deuce, McBride. That's how you win an NBA championship. That's how the Bucks, that's how the Nuggets win an NBA championship. That's how the Thunder win NBA championship with depth. Giannis and Brunson aren't going to win an NBA title just with them and just a bunch of guys. So that's my only.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you think they're winning a title with Carl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson and Landry Shammit?

[Marvin]

I don't think they win a title either way.

[Dan Patrick]

Josh Hart. Okay, get Yanis. Go ahead. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

It's one of those things, though, when I think about Giannis, I think it was two years ago he signed a three year, $186 million extension. And it's right after they went out and got Lillard to convince him to stay. It'll almost be sad if he leaves the Bucks. They had it. They had an international superstar for a long time and. And they're not going to keep him the whole way.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but he gave them a title. Right.

[Paulie]

I guess it's more about what. What they could have done for the second half of his career and a series of missteps, which I don't think people criticize a Lillard acquisition. At the time. You look back with different view of it.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know, we looked at Milwaukee and we said their best, second best player would be Chris Middleton or Jruel Holiday. At the time, with Dame Lillard, you were getting, you know, a sniper. You were getting an elite score to take the pressure off Giannis. Yes.

[Seaton]

Like, I don't think the Dame move was a bad idea. It just didn't work. There's no reason that on paper wouldn't have been perfect. It just, for some reason, it just didn't click. But I don't think it was a bad idea necessarily.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I thought it was a great swing. But you know what? I'm not the gm. I'm not part of the fan base. And I can only see it from my perspective. And I thought, okay, because I thought, you know, there's these teams in the east were loading up and you had to do something as well. Chris Middleton's a good player. Drew Holiday, really good player. Dame gave you something a little bit more. It just didn't work out. And now Giannis is looking around going, we're not winning anytime soon. Here I May not get another opportunity to play and win. And you can tell when he plays, he plays hard, he plays with passion. And I think it's hard to accept losing because at some point in your career when you play and you're on losing teams, you have to kind of accept that you may lose tonight. And that's hard to do because most of these guys come from programs where they don't lose. You know, I remember players from Duke would go to the NBA, they'd lose more games in two weeks. You know, Christian Laitner, he'd lose more games in two weeks than he did in, you know, his entire senior year. But I think that's the part that you have to factor in. Giannis wants to be mentioned with Luca, with Joker, he wants to be mentioned with sga. He wants to be in. And he's not, you know, it's almost out of sight, out of mind. And he, he's having another great season. He puts up incredible numbers. But we've gotten to that point where we go, okay, you know, you average 30 and you average 12 and you average, you know, six. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

And now Giannis is playing for something different than being the best player in the game. He's playing for a top 10 all time spot now with his numbers. And you can't be an all timer, at least a top 10 all timer without more than one ring. So he's playing for more than just the best.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Paul, I went back and looked.

[Paulie]

It up quickly because you mentioned late in there, in four years at Duke, he lost 26 games. As a rookie with the Timberwolves, in 92, he lost 63 games.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, man. Stat of the day.

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Bop, bop. Brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show NBA title odds. As of this morning, it's the Thunder, overwhelmingly followed by the Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers, Cavs, Knicks and then the Pistons. You're looking at the West, Thunder, Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers, four best odds to win the title. Then you have the Cavs, Knicks and Pistons. If you're, if you're Detroit and you added Giannis, I mean, that's a good team. I don't know who you have to give up, but Detroit has become a really good team and we saw them be a tough out in the playoffs last year. The Knicks, well, you want to get clicks, talk about the Knicks and getting Giannis as well. I'm sure the Lakers are going to be interested in Giannis. I saw that yesterday, and I'm like, okay, are you giving up, Luca? Like, who you. Who you get? Austin Reeves, and I don't know how many draft picks. I don't think they have too many draft picks here to give up. But I did see that there was also. And I don't know if it's true or not, but was Golden State interested in. I'm sure they were in Giannis last year, because I had heard that from somebody affiliated with Golden State, and they even said, hey, we're trying to kick the tires on Giannis. But once again, Wendy had the story, and he said the Knicks, that was the place that he thought Giannis was going to want to go if he was able to be traded. All right, that'll be coming up. Poll question today. Did I already ask that? Seaton?

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[Dan Patrick]

You have not.

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[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right. All right. Let me see. Still working on this cough here. So bear with me if I have some silence here a little bit, but, you know, it's. Todd said, you're unbelievable.

[Todd]

I thought those were just dramatic pauses.

[Paulie]

Dramatic pause.

[Seaton]

Nailed it.

[Dan Patrick]

Now.

There you go.

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Nothing gets attention like silence.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I know. When the best part of the show is silence. Oh, it says a lot.

[Todd]

Right?

[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

Great. If there's a lot of time left, there's a lot of time left that.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

I'm gonna jump in during those Pauses, and I'm gonna kill it.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh. So when you sense there's a pause, I'm ready to call.

[Todd]

I'm just gonna say something, even if it's not worth it.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Todd]

I will.

[Dan Patrick]

Great. We're all in great hands. Okay, we're gonna take a break because after the break, going to find out our poll question today, national signing day. We'll talk about who did and who didn't. And Penn State is still looking for a head coach. Are they swinging for the fences? Because, man, I've exhausted my sources with this. Like, what is going on? And both of them yesterday said, we don't know. And I don't know if they know. But if you're going to promote, you can't fire James Franklin and then say, we're going to promote from within. And, you know, without doing that initially to say, no, we have our guy. We've. We've already had him. They've had some people who have decided to take other jobs. Yes.

[Paulie]

Paulie, refreshingly, the Louisville head coach, Jeff Brahm, who is a hot prospect, he's staying at Louisville.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

That's refreshing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. We've seen some coaches who have stayed Vandy, Missouri, Louisville. So not everybody. Great. Goes. And.

I think. I think the Mississippi police department is pushing back on Lane Kiffin, saying somebody tried to run him off the road when he was going to the airport to fly to Baton Rouge.

And then I love that Eli Manning put out a. A tweet and he just said, oops, as if. As if he was the guy who was trying to run Lane Kiffin off the road.

Lane, just go to lsu. Just go. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, before we applaud all the coaches that stayed, do we know the whole story as to what they were offering and what schools were involved as opposed to. I think I should just stay here because I want to live forever here at this job.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm gonna guess Vandy, Missouri, Louisville. Yes. They had opportunities to go elsewhere, those coaches. I'm gonna guess they did. Yes. Let's take a break. Okay, we're back after this in the Dan Patrick show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio. And in addition to hearing us live weeknights from 7 to 10pm Eastern on Fox Sports Radio, we are excited to announce brand new YouTube channel for the show. That's right. You can now watch the Odd Couple Live on YouTube every day. All you gotta do search Odd Couple FSR on YouTube. Again YouTube just search Odd Couple FSR. Check us out on YouTube and subscribe.

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[Dan Patrick]

As a quarterback, I love sports. But sometimes when I get hit on my blind side, front side and put on my backside, I wonder, is sport clips better than sports? Because sport clips haircuts is sports on tv Plus a relaxing haircut, hot steam towel and massaging shampoo, which is better than sports plus sport clips. It's a game changer. Check in [e-mail] we will come up with a poll question here for the first hour of the program. I saw this on three Sports, had an estimate of what James Franklin's firing and the vacancy the opening at Penn State cost college football. Okay. Indiana head coach Kurt Signetti, Matt Rule at Nebraska, they were up maybe early October for the Penn State job. They signed contract extensions at the end of the season. A and M gave Mike Elko contract extension. Missouri did the same to Eli Drinkwitz, Clark Lee a new deal at Vanderbilt. Brent Key contract extension at Georgia Tech. And according to On3Sports, all of those contract extensions totaled more than $370 million. Thank you, Penn State. All these coaches, that's where they don't want to take the job, but they want to at least give the indication that, well, you know, I could. And then they quickly, you know, extend their head coaches. All right, what's poll question here? Seaton. For the first hour of the program.

[Seaton]

If you were a top high school athlete, well, football player, your college decision would be based mostly on the head coach. Your chance to make it to the NFL, your chance to win or the nil deal.

Yeah, I gotta admit, I think it'd be kind of all of them. Yeah, I mean, I know you can only pick one, hence the poll question.

But I feel like it's kind of a combination of them.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Seaton]

Like if you go to the right head coach, he's going to give You a better chance to win and make it to the NFL. But that might, the nil deal might not be the best or I could be even better.

[Dan Patrick]

I think you go play for the coach because you want to know what style you play. Especially if I'm an offensive player, I want to know what kind of offense that he runs. If he's a defensive minded guy and I'm a defensive player, great. I think it's all about I get to play, I want to try to play in the NFL. You hope that there's an nil pocketbook waiting for you there.

So I would, I would say the coach, I would want to go play for that guy.

[Todd]

Yes, Todd, I think that sounds good. But when a 17, 18 year old kid sees major dollar signs and they're like, you know I'm going to take this big money, maybe my family needs the money. We don't know what their financial situation is. And then I'll prove myself at that school is even if it wasn't my first or even 10th choice of where I wanted to play and then as far as the NFL and things like that, that'll play itself out based on my ability hopefully.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I think that's very narrow minded and that's why hopefully you have some kind of parental guidance there that can help you don't think about what it is right now in front of you. You can get your money. You don't want to go to your 10th school because they're going to pay you more and it's not the right school because then you're going to end up transferring. I think you got to go where you like the situation, you like the coach, you like the competition and the ability to be able to play in the NFL, you're going to. Not everybody is going to be a millionaire. And you know, if you're a good football player, if you get nil, great, maybe you prove yourself there and then you transfer and you get more nil money. But I would say you go to play for that coach. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

I think 20 years ago I would have only gone to a heavyweight school. But like that, that drop back passer from Tennessee who chose to pass on Georgia to go to Vanderbilt, you can go to the pros from Vanderbilt these days the playing fields evened out a little bit. Fernando Mendoza could be a top five pick from Indiana. So 20 years ago I'm going to Georgia, Ohio State, USC. If I'm a top quarterback and I'm not really flirting with second tier schools, no offense.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but we've seen these second tier schools. They're going to be getting into the playoffs. If we expand to 16, then you're going to have more teams playing playoff games as well. Look at smu, Indiana, out of nowhere, Arizona State, you got schools this year, Boise State last year. So I think you can go to the major schools. But then if you're looking at the major schools, you might go, is Penn State a major school? Are they trending more towards being Nebraska than they are Michigan or Ohio State or Indiana? Yes.

[Seaton]

Yeah, I guess that's one of the funny things about Nil is that now there's more of an emphasis on going to a place where you could play. Whereas before, the best thing you could do is sit for two years behind all of these other superstars that you know are going to the NFL and then it'll be your turn. Now you can, well, I could get a couple bucks in my pocket and go play right now, and that's going to actually give me a better chance to get to the next level.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's great. You know. Yeah. Because you want to play. I think that's probably the overriding factor. It would be for me. Do I want to go and sit? I get paid, I'm going to sit. You know, this, this is what Nebraska and Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan used to do back in the 70s. USC, they just stockpiled talent of the U, where you'd go, wait a minute, that guy's the backup to the backup running back. Yeah.

John in Illinois. Good morning, John. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Yeah, hey, dp, how's it going? I said a question I was noticing yesterday and it seems like to me that maybe Penn State is in a little bit of trouble because Jimmy Sexton is kind of owning college football right now with the fact that, you know, his agent is James Franklin, and James Franklin is his agent. And now basically he's in a position where they, he's controlling all the coaches now and saying, hey, you know, just because you fired my guy, my guys aren't going to go there coach for your job. They're not going to go play. They're not going to coach Penn State because you treated James Franklin poorly and stuff. And I was just curious, kind of your guys thought this is he kind of becoming this agent czar for college football and owning all these coaches and all these programs and saying, you know, saying, yep, if you treat my coach poorly, you're not gonna go coach that. I'm not gonna let him go coach there anymore because you Fired him in the middle of season for no reason. And now.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I saw that. Yeah, I saw that story yesterday. Yeah. Make no mistake about it. Jimmy Sexton is controlling college football with all the coaches that he represents. And hey, you did James Franklin dirty. I'm not going to send one of my clients there. I mean, I don't know if you use one client and how he was treated and not give one of your clients an opportunity to be able to coach at Penn State. Still great resources there, great environment there for football, but I think they overplayed their hand. You get rid of James Franklin, okay? And I always say, if you get rid of Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh, who you bringing in? And you know, now all of a sudden, you know, Ben Roethlisberger is connecting Mike Tomlin with Penn State. Here is Ben Roethlisberger. No, it's. It's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe it's time. Maybe it's a clean house time. Maybe it is. Maybe it's time. And I like Coach Tomlin. I have a lot of respect for Coach Tomlin, but maybe it's best for him too. Sure, maybe. Maybe a fresh start for him is what's best. Whether that's in the pros, whether maybe go be Penn State. Set, go. You know what he would do at Penn State? He'd probably go win national championships. Okay, Ben, that's football in with Ben Roethlisberger. It's one thing to think that, it's another thing to say it. And the fact that he said it now all of a sudden, it just gathered momentum yesterday. Now we start to look at scenarios. Wow, what's he going to do? Okay, we haven't heard anything from the Steelers. Tomlin said, hey, I get why they're going to boom me. You know, there's a certain standard here, but Ben talked about Mike Tomlin is a great recruiter.

When does he recruit? He doesn't recruit at Pittsburgh. Do you want to do that? Do you want to be in a 18 year old's living room around the country? I mean, pro football has, is scheduled brilliantly. College football combines everything. How about Nil and Porto and coaches leaving in the playoffs and we're going to do that in a month.

Silly. NFL has it all blocked down. Time for this. Time for this, time for this, time for this. It's all scheduled if I'm Mike Tomlin. No, I don't want to coach college football. I'm going to take you back to.

Oh, boy. This was, this was not a great day. Even though I had a great source on this and it was true, Mike Tomlin was talking about the USC rumors I had mentioned before. Lincoln, Riley, they had a wish list. And. And I said, Mike Tomlin, you know, didn't put himself on the list. They were thinking, hey, let's swing for the fences. And I was told Mike Tomlin's name was on their wish list. Now, they probably had 15 names. Carson Palmer, USC quarterback, NFL quarterback. He came on the show and he talked about Mike Tomlin being mentioned as a possibility for USC. That's October of 2021. And here is Mike Tomlin. Hey, guys, I don't have time for that speculation. I mean, that's a joke to me. I got one of the best jobs in. In all of professional sport. Why would I have any interest in coaching college football? That'll be the last time that I address it. And not only today, but moving forward. Never say never, but never. Okay, anybody else got any questions about any college jobs? There's not a booster with a big enough blank check. Thank you. Anybody asking Sean Payton about that? Anybody asking Andy Reid about stuff like that?

Okay.

It wasn't presented to Mike Tomlin the way it should have been. It should have been, hey, they have a wish list. Your name is on it. That's all. But Carson Palmer, who is connected to usc, had the information that I had and he brought it up. And then all of a sudden there's momentum there that at no point did I say Mike Tomlin was interested in usc. And I'm not going to bring up that he's interested in Penn State. I'm sure Penn State would be interested in him. But if I. Mike Tomlin, I don't want to go coach in college.

College athletics is running, you know, big names out of the sport. Basketball, football. I don't want to deal with this. I mean, the NFL has a salary cap, there's free agency, period. There's going to be the draft, there's going to be spring, there's going to be fall. I mean, all you do is go out there and you coach, all right? That's it. You draft some players, you get your coaching staff, and then you go coach. Now, it's difficult, but.

And also if he went 15 years, let's say he went. Was it 2016? If he went nine years without making the college football playoffs, then he's probably not keeping his job in college.

Because they want it right now. They're going to be paying a lot of money and that. So the pressure would be, you got to do something in three years, Coach, because you don't get this. Hey, we don't fire people. You're Mike Tomlin. Until we find somebody who could be maybe a better fit for us.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, it feels like this is obvious, but Mike Tomlin's the kind of guy, like you said yesterday, would have a number of offers if he were no longer the Sealers coach. Bill Belichick didn't have offers. North Carolina was the fallback plan. He'd be. He would definitely have been the Atlanta Falcons coach or something like that if that were an option for him.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah, he didn't want to go to college. He was hoping he got the Atlanta job because you don't want. He doesn't want to mess with all of this stuff. By the way, North Carolina did okay on national signing day. And once again, this is potential. And that's why I would always take transfers because I know that they've done something. These kids are 17, 18 years of age and you're going on potential. That. That's a five star recruit. And North Carolina did okay. USC did great. Penn State struggled, as you might expect, without a head coach. That comes back to me as a player who's my head coach. Why would I go to a school that can't come up with a head coach? And how long has it been? Did Chris Fowler say 53 days since they fired James Franklin. Did you have a plan in place other than the plan to fire him? Let's see. Raw in Maryland. Hey, Raw, what's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, what's going on, Dan? First time in a long time, bro. But I had a poll question for you guys. What? Who would you rather continue this season without your best player or your head coach? And you know, like, like the Lane Kiffin situation. I don't knock Lane. I don't. I wouldn't knock anybody for going on to a better job, but for the simple fact that in every sport something like that should be handled after the season. So.

[Dan Patrick]

But. Well, I. There's only one position. If you say I don't have my quarterback, if you said I can have Patrick Mahomes or Andy Reid, I'm going to take Patrick Mahomes.

Just about any situation. Now I'm going to take my quarterback over my head coach. Now in college.

It might be a little bit different there that I would probably lean towards the head coach more people that you're probably having an influence on or you need to. You probably coach more when you're in college than you do in the NFL as a head coach.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, that'd be a tough one for college. Like Kurt Signetti or Mendoza, the quarterback in Indiana. That's, that's a coin flip. But Mendoza is the guy I don't think you could win without.

[Dan Patrick]

So you would, you would go into battle without your head coach instead of your quarter.

[Paulie]

Let's say Kurt Signetti had some type of situation for the next six weeks. He's unavailable.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's say he went to Penn State. Yep. Let's say he took the Penn State.

[Paulie]

I think the rest of his coaching staff could stick with his program and what they've done so far and get you to the promised land. You lose Mendel.

[Dan Patrick]

Think they stick those coaching staffs that like Lane's taken coaches from LSU or Ole missed lsu.

[Paulie]

I think if Mendoza's out, you're out.

[Dan Patrick]

These guys take their coaching staffs with them.

[Marvin]

Yes, Marvin, in college, I think it depends on the school. Remember Ohio State, Cardell Jones was a third string quarterback and they took them to the national championship game. At schools like Georgia and Alabama, you have three five star quarterbacks that are all ready to play. So I think that's the difference between those schools.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's a great point. All right, we'll take a break. Play the day. Up next, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

[Caller]

Oh my God.

[Dan Patrick]

The play of the day.

This is the play of the day.

Check this out. Yoka, chase it up the left sideline. Hands off behind him. Over to Jamal Murray. Murray has it for three. Yeah.

That'S a 50 piece for Jamal Murray in Indiana. Mavis lead of 128 to 112.

That's courtesy of Altitude Radio Network. Jamal Murray finished with 52. He went 19 to 25 including 10 of 11 from three point range. That's your play of the day. Play of the day brought to you by JLab. The perfect gift for this holiday season. They've got everything you need. The jbuds party speaker you can give. The gift of silence. The JBuds lux over ear headphones, active noise canceling. Go to jlab.com promo code DAN20. Get 20% off. Find them on Amazon or look for the blue box at a retailer near you. That's jlab.com National Signing Day. USC number one, they had 35 commits. Oregon second they had 21. Ohio State 27, Michigan 27. Washington 24. Illinois had 30, Iowa had 18, Minnesota had 31. And let's see who else is on the list. Maryland and Rutgers had 17, 21. Michigan State 19, Purdue 21, Northwestern 21. Wisconsin 13, UCLA 13, Nebraska 10, Penn State 2.

Yes, Paulie, I got a couple more for you.

[Paulie]

Guess which team had the most overall signings yesterday. College football program with the most overall signings. There's.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I mentioned USC had 35.

[Paulie]

USC's 35. They're third in the country. North Carolina had 39 commits, including 13 four stars. The North Carolina recruiting class is ranked 17th in the country as of today. Seaton, your West Virginia Mountaineers with 45 commitments.

[Dan Patrick]

Whoa. Wow.

[Paulie]

A lot of three stars, but a lot of them. The three different college programs had four five star signings. Oregon, Notre Dame and Alabama. Notre Dame also had zero D commits during yesterday.

[Dan Patrick]

And Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame head coach, was on the Today show yesterday. And this is a completely different audience. If you're going to go on and stump for we should be in the College Football Playoff, this isn't the place to go. Unless your wife is going to tell you her husband who's on the College Football Playoff selection show that Marcus Freeman is really a nice man. You should put him in the playoffs. He's also on there because NBC and Notre Dame have a business relationship. And also there's the second season of behind the Scenes at Notre Dame football as well. Marcus Freeman was on there and I don't know why Alabama jumped Notre Dame, but they did. And, and you know, the conspiracy theorist in me is like, okay, what's the committee getting ready to do? Because it felt like Alabama, yeah, they won the Iron Bowl. Should they have jumped Notre Dame?

I get it. I, you know, it's a rivalry game, but okay, Auburn's not any good. And yes, Notre Dame roughed up Stanford.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, I think that Alabama jumped ahead to Notre Dame. So if Alabama loses in a close one this weekend, Alabama could stay in the tournament, can stay in the playoffs. Just like, you know, Notre Dame's on the ahead of Miami. So when they argue a week from now and neither played, you could keep Notre Dame where you are. It's almost like they did.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think Miami, Miami's not getting in. They're 12, I think, right? Yeah, they're not. And I'm surprised that it's that tenuous with Notre Dame. But hey, maybe the committee is simply seeing something different. Byu. If BYU beats Texas Tech, I don't think Notre Dame is going to get in because they'll take BYU and Texas Tech. Mark and Dayton. Hey Mark, what's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Good morning Dan. Appreciate the opportunity talking to you. I just like to make a comment about Steve Sarkeesian and his argument that he keeps trying to make for the University of Texas. I am a huge Ohio State fan and I think he's arguing well, he's trying to make his points on the positive side, but on the other side of the coin there's one thing that sticks out. Don't lose to Florida. And I have historical perspective on this because two years in a row Ohio State had one loss. The first year was a clunker at Iowa. The second year was a real clunker at Purdue. And when it came time for the playoffs, the only argument you kept hearing everybody make against this was well, yeah, but you can't lose that game. So I mean, you know, if he doesn't lose to Florida, he's 10 and 2 and obviously I believe he's in.

[Dan Patrick]

The game, he's in the playoffs are fair points. Yeah, we talked about that.

Then they get blown out against Georgia.

So yes, you lose to Florida and I'm going to give you credit for playing Ohio State at Ohio State, but I'm going to ding you losing against Florida. Zach and Knoxville. Hi Zach. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Adp, thanks for taking my call. I just want to go back to the if you were a high school recruit and where you'd want to go and Polly said that it's different than it was 20 years ago and I would say that it's not. It is as far as like the nil money and the compensation. But I think these players over the last 20ish years, the Internet has really opened it up to where you can go to a smaller, lesser school and still be noticed. I think of like a Danny Woodhead who went to a small college in Nebraska and if he would have gone to Nebraska he probably would have just ended up being a third string cornerback in the background. So do you think that these kids should maybe go smaller and go play a position that they want to play or would you jump right into the big leagues?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, this is where you have to have guidance because in your mind you think you can play. You want to make sure you have reality attached to this. And here's another thing, and I brought this up because it was brought up to me by one of my college football sources that there's a bidding war. Maybe it's not going on anymore, but it was between two Big time schools, and it was for a high school tight end, and it was $2 million. They're getting their money before they even get to college.

That's what, that's what a lot of these programs are doing. It's, we're signing you up, you're part of our program until you're not. And then whatever, you know, the contract states, do you have to pay back money? Whatever, you know, however, it's kind of handed out yearly, quarterly, whatever it is. But this tight end is getting $2 million, hasn't played a game for this university. That's what's happening. So it's not one of those where they go, all right, where's my money? A lot of these big time schools and big time players already are getting paid and they're in high school. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

Yeah, I remember the biggest recruiting tool will be every single April when Nick Saban would go from table to table during the NFL draft. And I'm not sure if is that still the case where it's like, hey, Dabble Sweeney's everywhere during draft days. That's still the same thing.

[Dan Patrick]

John Calipari, he would do that at the NBA draft every year. Yeah, he'd be like, oh, that guy. Yeah, he's going first round. That guy's going first round. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie. I've got the list of the top five recruits in the country and where they decided to go. Vanderbilt, lsu, Houston, Miami, Maryland, Maryland and Houston. That's surprising. And again, I don't think that stuff happens without nil.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, this is what was told to me a week ago. Oil money, tech money.

Make sure you keep an eye on that. Oil money, tech money. And this was something that Alabama, you know, when Saban was trying to tell his boosters, hey, we got to keep up with Texas A and M. He was trying to keep up with oil money. Hey, you got to have a treasure chest there. One hour in the books, two more to go. Kurt Warner will join us, get us ready for the Cowboys and the Lions and Brian Winhorst. If the Bucks would trade Giannis, what could you possibly get in return? Hour two on the way. Fritzi Seaton, Marv, Polly, yours truly.

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