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Mike Chirico
Foreign.
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Patrick show.
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Dan Patrick
I'll take a sports Emmy. I don't care what category.
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Hosted by Dan Patrick and joined by the four Daniellas.
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Dylan
So I guess Danette in Spanish is Daniela.
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Daniela, Dan brings you the biggest guests and best interviews in the world of sports.
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Dan Patrick
Shay Gilgis the rest of his career. When his career is over, we'll probably look back and say, yeah, but I hate that we do it. But he was a guy who was always flopping. He was a guy who was always, you know, searching for fouls instead of giving him credit for being right now a two time MVP and favored to win another championship.
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Broadcasting from the man cave, it's unfortunate. This is Dan Patrick.
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Dan Patrick
It's our one. On this Thursday, Dan and the Dan at Stan Patrick show. We are fully assembled. Fritzi is here, the minister of humor. He's got his Laker shirt on. Is that right, Tom?
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Mike Chirico
Yeah.
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Tom
Usually I have some kind of theme, but what would great Western Forum Lakers should have to do with anything? I don't know.
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Dan Patrick
You're a Knicks fan.
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Tom
I'm a Knicks fan. You know what, there's a lot of stuff that needs to be washed back at the house. And I'm like, you know what? This is a Dan Patrick related shirt. It's 2 XL. It's comfortable on a Thursday. Let's go.
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Dan Patrick
Dylan is here. Marv, Paulie, you're truly in the back room. Guys. Mike Chirico, the award winning Mike Tirico. He'll be on the call for the game tonight in San Antonio. Mike will join us in about 20 minutes from now. Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. You want to make sure that you don't waste another weekend doing your lawn care yourself. Partner with the official lawn care treatment provider, the PGA Tour. True Green. The official treatment provider, the PGA Tour. Get a golf course quality lawn the easy way. Sign up@trugreen.com sit back and relax. Play of the day poll questions. Stat of the day. All of that forthcoming our good buddy, one of our favorites, Joey Vato, the former Reds all star. He's now doing baseball For NBC Sports. He'll join us a little bit later on as well. Game six tonight, the Thunder a slight underdog against the Spurs. I have a weird feeling about this game. I would like to see the spurs win to force a Game 7, but I don't know, it just feels even though the Thunder are banged up and I expect Wemby to have a Wemby game, be aggressive, but even though the spurs are favored, slight favorite. It's just one of those weird feelings that I have. Not that I'm willing to tell guys on the gambling podcast later today, Dylan and Shay and Irving and even big day Ray. But man, I might take the 3 1/2 and the OKC Thunder. I know we want to put teams into dynasty categories and you know, the definition of a dynasty has changed and it changes in sports. Just going back to back in the NFL makes you a dynasty. It feels like. Or if you win three in the span of five years or six years or two in the span of five years, it's, you know, you kind of border on a dynasty. The Patriots had a couple of dynasties at the beginning and the end of Tom Brady's career. Basketball or the OKC Thunder, you know, bordering on being a dynasty. I think you have to have three to be a dynasty, man. It can be three and five years, maybe two and four depending on what you do on those other years. But I don't know, I'm kind of a hardliner when it comes to what is a dynasty. And if it's in the 60s, you know, the Celtics were a dynasty. UCLA, basketball, like, we're not going to have that ever again. Therefore we have to change the definition. And when you think about okc, we look at them and we go, man, they're invincible. Well, Denver pushed them to seven games last year. Indiana dragged them to another seven game battle in the finals. San Antonio's trying to take them to seven games. So it's not like they're unbelievable. Like, oh my goodness, I know Michael Jordan and the Bulls never got to a game seven and they were a dynasty. They had two dynasties, three in a row. Pause. Three in a row. Dynasty. You can look at the Lakers with what they did with Shaq and Kobe. Maybe, you know, dynasty, dynastic baseball. We might look at it differently. I feel like the Dodgers kind of have that dynasty feel to them. What's the official definition of a dynasty, Paulie?
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Paulie
Well, it's not exactly in the dictionary, but there's a couple sports ish websites that have broke this down. An individual Or a team that completely dominates a sport or a league for an extended period of time. A couple other notes. You need at least two titles, at least in a five year period.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Paulie
Otherwise they would say that's a run.
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Dan Patrick
But is OKC dominated? Like this isn't 15 and 1 Lakers,
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Paulie
but their regular season win differential has been the best in the league for three straight years. Like they beat people during the regular season.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, but there are teams that are built for the regular season and there are a lot of teams and coaches who don't really care about the regular season. I go back to Greg Popovich. They had a dynasty. He did not care about the regular season. He cared about what happened in the playoffs. The 90s Yankees dynasty. I would say, you know, different decades with the Yankees dynasty, Montreal Canadiens, different years, dynasties. So it does happen. But I think I don't. I. It feels like we want to put OKC in the fast lane to be a dynasty. Even if you go back to back and you have the MVP back to back. I don't view them as a dynasty. I view them as an unbelievable organization. But the following season would probably help me define OKC's place in history. And I know OKC fans get, get upset whenever I say something about Shea or what like, you got to stop with the oh wo is me small market. Okay? All the NBA, they only cater to. If we play the Knicks, the Knicks are going to get all the cult like, stop. Don't do the oh woe is me. Just go out there and root. But don't give me the oh big market, small market. Is OKC good for the NBA? No, big markets are. But they're still a great team. So you can say, hey, I don't care what the NBA wants. They want San Antonio against the Knicks. Okay, so what? Go win the game tonight. Drive the NBA crazy or the fans crazy?
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Marvin
Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna have to disagree because I think that's the old way of thinking where we think about smart small market teams. I think it's more about the star. If they had a star. If it was like Steph Curry, it doesn't matter where he's playing if he's on a really good team. And it doesn't matter about the market, especially in this day and time where the Internet runs everything. So you really don't need a big market. But I think it's the combination of small market plus how they play.
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Dan Patrick
But if you're in a small market, you have that inferiority complex. Whether it's true or not. It's like, oh, we're not going to get the calls tonight. Oh, they want Wemby to go to the final. I know how this works, okay? I've been doing this for a long time. And I know the small market, certainly in baseball and basketball, not football, because that doesn't matter, but these smaller markets where it's. They don't want us to win. OKC is a great team and SGA is a star ish kind of player. He's not a video clips where you check your phone in the morning. He's just not. You might get more video clips out of SGA or out of Chad Holmgren than sga. Chances are, maybe he does something interesting. SGA is just methodical. It's. I know exactly what I'm going to get. It's like having the same meal every single day and somebody says, how was it? Good. Same meal. That's it. It's like there's one restaurant in OKC and it's sga. He's serving up what he does every single night against every single team. That is not something that is must see tv. That's what the NBA wants. When you get to the finals, they want a big audience. Wemby is, you know, a different creature. And the Knicks are going to be the Knicks. And you get celebrities there, you get the atmosphere there. You get, you know, it's all involved there. That's what you want now. That's not what you always get. You can't get the, you know, the Yankees against the Dodgers in the World Series every year. If you could, baseball would be like, yes, we'll sign up for that. But it's tricky when it comes to dynasties. What is a dynasty depending on the sport.
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Marvin
Yes, Marvin, the Pistons and the Rockets, they both went back to back, but we don't consider them dynasties. We remember them. Yeah, but they're not considered dynasties like the Lakers and the Bulls.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. I think you got to win at least three in five years. If you go, you know, a three Pete, then you're a dynasty. But it depends on the sport. If you go back to back, like we keep talking, talking about the Patriots back at the beginning of, you know, this decade or century where you go, oh, back to back. That's why it doesn't happen. It's harder to do that in the NFL than it is these other sports. Yes.
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Dylan
Dylan, are you considering the Patriots two dynasties or one continuous one, obviously with a lull in between? Because I imagine while as long as Brady was there, that's kind of one.
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Dan Patrick
I would say two with a pause. Because they went, what, 10 years without winning anything. But they won. Like you don't have that dip. Sometimes you'll have a team that wins and then there's this dip and then they come back, win again. I would say Patriots, definitely a dynasty. Yeah.
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Dylan
Dale, do you want to know what the longest continuous dynasty in history is?
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Paulie
Ming.
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Dan Patrick
The Ming dynasty.
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Paulie
Yeah, they were on a run, man.
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Dan Patrick
Yao Ming dynasty.
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Dylan
They're up there. But it's actually the imperial house of Japan, the Yamato dynasty. Longest continuous by blood dynasty over 1500 years. See the Patriots touch that one.
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Dan Patrick
And how many years were they favored, though?
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Dylan
I think most of those years.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, it sounds like that. I saw where the Arizona Cardinals aren't favored in any game this year. The left turn segue dynasty.
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Yeah.
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Paulie
Catching strays.
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Dan Patrick
Yes. That the Cardinals are not favored in any game this year. Assault like, okay. And you got your quarterback holding out. Jacobe Brucet. They are the opposite of a dynasty. Or maybe can you be a dynasty playing poorly? Yes.
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Paulie
Paul, a couple more rules of a dynasty. Your core has to continue during your run. Like you said about the late 90s Yankees, you had Posada, Bernie Williams, Jeter, the big four or five guys stuck around. And the other one is lasting impact. Are they remembered? Like the mid-70s Steelers, you know, all the names and they last forever.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I think the. Like the Pistons, we remember them. They're the bad boy Pistons. They won two titles. The Celtics with Bird. Obviously you remember them. Lakers with Magic, Showtime, you remember them. And you might not even remember how many titles they won or how many titles they won in a row, but you do remember those teams. Sometimes it was about what they showed you right in front of you on your tv. Not necessarily what the end result for each season, but yeah, it's an interesting topic of. Is OKC bordering on. Are they on the brink of being a dynasty if they win a second title? Yes. Dylan, is it the.
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Dylan
The repeat nature of titles? That's a bigger factor. Like if you win like every other year for six years, while not. There's no repeats or three peats or anything, does that still feel like a dynasty? I mean, it should be, but.
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Dan Patrick
Well, depends on the sport. Like Seattle's not favored to win the super bowl this year. They got maybe the third or fourth best odds, but if they did, I mean, that's not. That's really, really, really rare. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paulie, the 70s Steelers won the Super bowl in 74 and 75. They made the playoffs and did not make it to the super bowl the next two years. Then they won two more Super Bowls. That's four titles in six years. Pure dynasty.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. And we remember those players. When you can recite the lineup, then that usually helps you kind of lean towards that impression, that imprint that they left on your life on this sports world. Yes, Marvin.
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Marvin
And there's sometimes when people say dynasties, you have to repeat. I don't subscribe to that because look at the. The Bird Celtics. They won an 81, 84 and 86. But we consider them a dynasty because they were always there. They were always in the hunt. And the teams they lost to, they lost to the Lakers.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Marvin
So there's no shame in that. And they were always competitive.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. I think that's what I want to see is you don't want to have that. Oh, what happened? Oh, they didn't make the playoffs that, you know, one season. Then they came back. But to keep a. It's harder to keep a team together. I mean, the Celtics weren't leaving with Bill Russell and Red Arbach. Those guys stayed. There was no free agency. The Steelers, they stayed together. Like you have to look at before free agency and after free agency and trying to keep your players together. Yes, Marv.
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Marvin
If the Thunder win their second straight. When we look at them the way we look at the Pistons, we don't think of the Pistons as being a really deep, really good, really competitive team. We look at them, Mahorn and Lambert getting in the fights, roughing up Michael Jordan. Are we going to look at them the same way we look at the Pistons?
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Dan Patrick
Well, the Pistons had personality. OKC doesn't have a real personality, a big personality. I mean, they tried to do a SGA Chad Holmgan commercial, and you're like, okay, like, the Pistons were the bad boys. They were the villains. There was a documentary about them. They did a 30 for 30 on them. See if. Will there be a 30 for 30 on OKC? You got a better chance of a 30 for 30 on WEMBY and the Spurs. But I know it takes away from OKC and their success. It's just. They're not exciting. Seattle Seahawks weren't exciting.
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Dan Patrick
They were great. The Rams have more personality. There's other teams, but Seattle played. They were the best team in football last year. That doesn't mean, like the Patriots, they weren't exciting. I mean, Drake may. Okay, you know, found out your coach might have been a little more interesting. But other than that, it's not like you go, man, Patriots are must see tv. They're not. But when Brady was there dating supermodel Bill Belichick, being Bill Belichick. Interchangeable parts there. Winning offensively, defensively. Gronk is in there like, you know, that's what you want. That's if you're going to remember a team, there's other things that factor in other than you're just winning. It's how you're winning. And I think that sometimes differentiates between. And there are teams that are probably better than the teams that went back to back or two and three years, but they may not have that impact. Yeah, Paul.
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Paulie
You know, a tough team to Quantify is that late 90s, early 2000 spurs, did they win five titles in 15 years? It was spread out. They won one, lost a few, lost a few, won one one. But they didn't have star power.
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Dan Patrick
But they were so relevant, their dynasty to me, yeah, that organization has been dynastic. So I would put them in. I mean, I love watching Ginobly Timmy was just. When your nickname is the big fundamental, I mean it's really hard to go, man. Must see tv. Hey, let's tune in and watch. Nice bounce pass or maybe a bank shot here. But they forced you to watch, which is what okay is doing. You got to watch because they're playing in big games. Mike Chirico will be on the call tonight's game six. He'll join us next year. Dan Patrick. Show neutral is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand trusted by over one and a half million people. Put the hat away. Okay? Your hair is not playing the way it did. Maybe in your 20s you got Neutrophil. Men's supplements are peer reviewed, 100% drug free. And that Neutrophil will target the key root causes of thinning hair in men like stress and hormonal changes. Because man, I should be. I should be bald. Todd. Dealing with the stress.
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Dan Patrick
Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning 9 to noon eastern or 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for the Dan Patrick show at foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. We will come up with a poll question here momentarily. 877 3DP Show Operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. Joey Votto will join us coming up next hour. Say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country. Over 400 that carry this award nominated program. Mike Chirico wins award and he won a sports Emmy. Do you have a trophy case at your house?
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Mike Chirico
Hi. Nice to talk to you too. No, I don't, I don't.
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Dan Patrick
Where do they go?
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Mike Chirico
There's. This was the. I think I have six now for various projects and a couple for me. One as a host or play by play. One's downstairs, one's up in my office, the third one's on the way. I guess. I don't know.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Mike Chirico
I don't know, but. Sorry.
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Dan Patrick
All right. I mean it's a humble brag when you go, I think I've won six.
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Mike Chirico
Yeah, I. Because the counting is weird. Like if you're part of like Sunday Night Football. One for best series. So I don't know if that goes on my count or not, which I think it does. I don't want to say X number X. Ty Costas is like 73 time Emmy Award winner. Bob Costa's like Whatever. They're. They're just, they're just recognition by your peers that your tape was the best of the tapes that were sent in, which is really, which is really what it is. So it's. You know what it is, Dan. Honestly, it's. You had good moments in the games you covered and you didn't screw them up. That's what it is.
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Dan Patrick
Have you seen Costa's. His, his Emmy room?
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Mike Chirico
I've seen. I've seen it as a back they use as a background for his. Yeah, so I did see that.
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Dan Patrick
I did see that.
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Mike Chirico
Yeah. That's not where we'll never get there, nor will we have just. Just kind of. Yeah. Dust them off.
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Dan Patrick
How close are the Thunder to being considered a dynasty?
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Mike Chirico
Oh, no, not yet. No, no, no, no, no.
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Dan Patrick
Two titles.
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Mike Chirico
No, no, no, no. We fast forward this stuff so much. Let's go back. Like the whole dynasty conversation is almost impossible to hold up to. The dynasties that we grew up with, lakers, Celtics, Steelers, etc. Yankees, because players move like the Thunder will come back with a different piece and a different piece and same for the next team and the next team. Like we, we got to slow down on this stuff. Look, they've won one title. They're trying to get to the finals for a second time. If they win that, that's an all time good run. It's not the Celtics, the Celtics and the Lakers, they were just in the finals every year. Right. And somebody had to do everything they could to knock them out for a year like the Sixers did. Right. Or so I just think we fast forward this conversation way too much. They're a really, really good team. They have the potential because what Sam Presti has done to build this organization and the capital they have coming up in the draft and the moves they can make, which are different than everyone else.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, I think having those players locked in under contract moving forward is key.
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Mike Chirico
Well, those, those big three in J Dub, Jalen, Williams and Holmgren and Shea. But now with those first round picks that he has, you can do things like trade a one and three twos for Jared McCain. Nobody had that capital to go get a second year player who Philadelphia said, you know what, we can't play three guards with Tyrese, Maxey and BJ, Edgecombe and McCain. So let's move him while his value is high. And if Sam doesn't make that move with these injuries they have, maybe they're not 32 in this series. Right. So. So those, those are the ways you can build something that lasts for A long time in an era where that's really hard financially to do because of paying all the. Look, you draft well, you have to pay these guys and then that's a problem. I think of the Lions in the NFL. They've really drafted well the last few years with a bunch of young core players. Now you got to pay them all. And so every time there's another edge rusher out there, Lions fans like, well, why don't you go get him? Well, you. You can't. You just don't have enough financial room.
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Dan Patrick
How big of a story is Wemby skipping out on the media? I don't know what happened at the end of the game, Mike, but I don't know if that's a big deal tonight for you guys in leading into game six.
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Mike Chirico
It's a watch early in the game, right? You'll watch early in the game. Are there more hard fouls? Is there temp? Is there some message sent? I think, Dan, and you know, you live so many of these series. Gosh, we sat next to each other during some of the finals runs. We were both working radio and doing SportsCenter over the years. Like you carry a tone to the next game, but it changes just like this. And I think it's different when veterans are the guys who are out there setting that tone. Young guys have a lot going on. They have never half the San Antonio team, probably two thirds of their rotation have never faced an elimination game in the NBA playoffs. Right? Think about it. It's the first playoff series for Wemby and Castle and all those guys that we've talked about, Dylan, Harper and even Vassell, they had did not face elimination the first two rounds. They are facing an elimination game. They will walk into the game today with a feeling of pressure of must win that they never have before except in the NBA cup in December where you knew there were tomorrows. Here you don't. So I think it's really hard to have that and be of the mindset of let's set this hard foul on this guy. So I don't know if it's carries over one to the next. Wemby not talking. Not the first time, not the last time somebody skipped out on the media like first timers before he gets warned. He'll get fined if he does it again. Lesson learned.
- [30:36]
Dan Patrick
I would guess talking to Mike Chico and he'll be on the call tonight. Game 6, Western Conference Finals Thunder spurs with Reggie Miller and Jamal Crawford tip off 8:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, I watched a Little bit of WNBA action with Caitlin Clark and I was trying to juxtapose that with the NBA and it feels like there's more play on moments in the WNBA than there is the NBA. It feels there's a lot of contact and it's a lot rougher than what people realize it, but it feels like maybe the NBA needs to have a few more play on moments. And Reggie Miller talked about this the previous game, where he goes, that's a play on, that's not a foul.
- [31:20]
Mike Chirico
Yeah, yeah. So. So let's separate these for a second. The WNBA has had a massive official officiating problem over the last couple of years. So much so that. And I'm thin on the details here, but I just heard it discussed on our studio show with Sue Bird and Cheryl Miller. The opening night. They, they had a committee come together to try to figure out what they're going to do and how they're going to do it to be better about their officiating. So I don't want to hold up something that has put their hand up and said we have as the example. I do think the physicality of the playoffs is significantly different than the regular season product. And why? Familiarity. We're not walking in in January in Salt Lake City and putting up Patrick on the board. Likes to go left, right. Okay, great. I'll get there. No, now it's, you know what angle Dan is at when he wants to try to start going left. And you're playing defense and now you've learned that opponent. Think of the guy at the gym or the gal at the gym you play against by game five or six, you know their moves or even pickleball or tennis, you know what they do well and take it away. That's what happens in playoffs here. So the physicality has to ramp up. And I think there have been more play ons but I think now everybody takes every angle and puts it on online. Look at this. Here's an example of a foul.
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Marvin
Yeah.
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Mike Chirico
If you slow down an NFL game, every play looks like a hold or pass interference. So there's a balance. I think that's why the human element of officiating is there. Is it perfect? No. It's also something that you can't look at and you'd say it's a foul. And I'd say it's not a foul. It's just because that contact has to be allowed, in my opinion, at this point in the series. But if you are, I love the football term. If it material materially restricts what you do if my contact keeps you from trying to score or get to the place you want to get to, that should be a foul, period.
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Dan Patrick
Did you grow up a Knicks fan?
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Mike Chirico
I did, I did, yeah.
- [33:15]
Dan Patrick
So there was. You never got to see them win.
- [33:19]
Mike Chirico
I'm old enough. I don't remember all of it, but. So Marv. Marv Albert was the radio announcer for the Knicks and they put out a record. It's one of those round things you put on a record player. For those of you who didn't get the retro trend when it came around a few years ago, they put a record of the Knicks championship season. And I must have listened to that when I was 7, 8, 9 years old as I was falling in love with sports and broadcasting. So I remember it, but I don't. I can't tell you I saw Willis come out of the tunnel, but I remember what that feeling was like as a Knick fan at that time.
- [33:54]
Dan Patrick
How do you sum up, describe, encapsulate what's happened with the Knicks this year?
- [34:00]
Mike Chirico
Haven't they been given the championship? I've been watching. I watched ESPN the morning after the Knicks won the Eastern Conference final. And like the stage managers wearing waving Knicks flags, I'm like, what the heck? Slow down, slow down. They have been unbelievable and we had them seven, eight times this year. Then we had them after their last playoff loss against Atlanta. And Mike Brown did a terrific job. I thought of tweaking the offense. Karl Anthony Town is a point forward. It's unlocked everybody. We rarely see all five guys going at the same time. And right now they're all going to. I will say the defense that they're about to face from either one of these teams is a massive step up from the defense they saw. Like, did you see any Cleveland cavalier turn a guard a different way coming up the floor? Like Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart, they just had like free reign to come down the floor. So I think it's going to be another step up. But what they're doing is great and it's really good when a city loves basketball the way New York does, to see that kind of basketball played. What it does remind me of Dan, is watching and listening to stories about how the 70s Knicks played together, shared the ball, guys had their role and embraced it. And that's why they're a forever team remembered in New York. And I think this team does that and embodies basketball at its purest rich, best of enjoyment, movement and teamwork.
- [35:24]
Dan Patrick
I was talking to Vincent Goodwill Great NBA reporter for the mothership. And. And I said, you got to win the title. Yeah, yeah, this, this is New York. And he said, no, this is the Knicks. They're not used to getting here. So he was saying, you know, this is kind of a. If we get, you know, we're going to get to the Finals even if we don't win, we've had a successful year. I said, you've had a successful year. Yes, but this is a city that is predicated on winning, not getting there.
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Mike Chirico
Correct, Correct. I mean, unless you get the parade in the hero of Canyons, you're not remembered as a forever team. If you do, then you become a special team in the biggest city that has millions and millions of sports followers who revere those guys. Walt Clyde Frazier is revered at 81 years old. When you're a Madison Square Garden, I love seeing Clyde. When I see Clyde, when we're doing a game and it's a side by side or Clyde happens to be in the building, like, I want to go say hi because Clyde is still cool as dang guy this side of Joe namath. Right? Those two guys growing up in the 70s in New York, that was the definition of the cool professional athlete. And Clyde still has that in his 80s. And so does Joe. Anytime you talk to him or you're around him, we've changed. It's a different era, but it's been so long. And I think what's cool about New York for the fans is that those fans, when this team was unwatchable, they went and enjoyed good basketball from the opponents. Games at the Garden always matter to players that walk up that ramp to go into the building. And I think to have the best basketball in the world, the NBA Finals in that building, plus the New York part of it makes it makes it really cool. It's going to be great finals. I cannot wait to be off and watch, not shave and watch breen and those guys work for a couple of weeks. I'm looking forward to the finals where
- [37:17]
Dan Patrick
you go to a game.
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Mike Chirico
No, this is the. Whenever this ends, either tonight or game seven on Saturday, that's the end of the run that started in September with Sunday Night Football and then Olympics and Super bowl and start the NBA for us at NBC. And so this is, this is the last 365 yards of the marathon. So I am going to go home and chill until the US Open in a couple of weeks and then chill after that. But I will, I will enjoy watching for sure.
- [37:47]
Dan Patrick
Do you have broadcasting superstitions on game day?
- [37:52]
Mike Chirico
No, no, not really. I have patterns and habits, but it's not like, oh my gosh, if I don't eat a Caesar salad with chicken, this is going to be a bad broadcast. Although. Although with Reggie Miller and Zora Stevenson, we have ordered more Caesars with chicken in NBA arenas than most people over the last two. But this has been. I forgot how much fun the NBA is. This has been so much fun. And Reg and Jamal and Zora and Ashley Schomody, we have had, we've had like the greatest time. Like, if, if there's anything I'm rooting for tonight, I, I'd love to get us to a game seven because I'd love to do two more days with this group. We've had a blast. And you have Reggie on every week, so everybody knows how fun Reg can be. I mean, two weeks on the road with Reg, that really three and a half weeks has been just all time fun. And Jamal the same. So it's been great.
- [38:40]
Dan Patrick
I think Jamal's been unbelievable.
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Mike Chirico
He's great, Dan. His stories, his vision, what he sees in the game is really good. And you know, three man booths work or don't work based on a ton of things. These guys are so giving and they talk to each other. You know, they go, we go a couple of possessions and they're going back and forth and back and forth. I'm just sitting there listening to them like there's no reason to get in the way of this and that, that, that starts in the car. It happens at lunch, it continues on the air and that, that's when you have something good. So I'm, I'm having the greatest time and shout out to these two cities like they'll be the small market against the big market. But man, like I have a headache. My ears ring for 30 minutes coming out of the building and I. Because your headphones are cranked up because you can't hear each other and it's so is. This has been so much fun. It's been great.
- [39:29]
Dan Patrick
Before I let you go, the NFL growth here. I know now it feels like we're kicking Sunday one o' clock games to. Yeah, yeah, but, but I understand it because I, I'll watch one game at 1:00'. Clock. I'll watch, you know, a 4:30 game, you know, occasionally the red zone. But then you watch a standalone game on Sunday and a standalone game on Monday and a standalone game. This is what all of these different partners want. But where do you stand on sort of the. I Don't. If you say the fragmentation of what used to be the NFL schedule and where we're headed, I used to get frustrated.
- [40:06]
Mike Chirico
I go back to 40 years ago. I get really frustrated that I couldn't watch the Bengals play at one o' clock when they weren't all that good or even when they were halfway decent. Pick a team like, because I like football. So, you know, having four or five games in the one o' clock window, still fine. There are weeks, it gets thin. There are weeks towards the end, it gets thin. I think to avoid it getting thin, what I would suggest is that the league does what the Premier League does. Here's who you're playing December 13th. We're not going to assign starting times or TV networks until like a month out. So we'll know that in those individual windows there are good games because bad games and individual windows hurt the product. Good games help, so they have to be the best game. But make sure you've got a game of some meaning. And I think the only way to do that from mid November on is to okay Thursday nights. You almost have to assign for travel logistics so people will get backed up with that. But I would put the week 12, 14, 16 schedule just like we do the last week of the season. Let's wait and then we don't have to do it a week before. Three or four weeks before. You're the Sunday night, you're the Monday night, you're this, you're the Sunday afternoon, Saturday afternoon. That's the way I think. The individual windows can still maintain significance. Have a good 4 packet 1, 3 packet 4, 30 and go from there. Just. Just one guy's opinion. Yeah, it's like same thing. If nothing's easier to do than tell somebody else how to do their job. So that's what I'm doing.
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Dan Patrick
Congrats again on the sports Emmy and thank you. Have fun. Good to talk.
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Mike Chirico
Thank you, pal. All right, Good talk with you, man.
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Dan Patrick
Mike Chirico, he's the voice of. Well, he's just the voice. NBC, Football night in America and basketball and the super bowl and the Olympics. Kentucky Derby, US Open, Open Championship. He'll be on the call tonight. That'll be game six in San Antonio, 8:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock, we'll take a break. Our play of the day is up next.
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Mike Chirico
Sam the play of the day.
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Dan Patrick
This is the play of the day.
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Mike Chirico
Check this out. Ajo with a keeping at the Montreal blue line. Gossip whips it across Ehlers. He scores a power play goal.
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Carolina gets a 1 nothing lead.
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Mike Chirico
Their first power play goal of this series. And Sebastian off delivers it.
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It's one nothing.
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Hurricanes.
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- [46:12]
Dylan
We have not yet.
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Dan Patrick
Dan.
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Dylan
We got a couple options here. For starters, will there be a Game 7 between the spurs and the Thunder?
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Dan Patrick
I hope, but for some reason I don't think I hope. What else do you have?
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Dylan
Paulie sent this one over. This is actually an interesting topic. In a hundred years,
- [46:34]
Dan Patrick
in a hundred
- [46:35]
Dylan
years, which athlete from this era will be the most remembered slash spoken about? And we can kind of populate this one as a squad, but like Tom Brady, LeBron, Lionel Messi, Ohtani, Wemby, any others?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, Paul.
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Paulie
So my thought was we still bring up Babe Ruth regularly on a sports radio show 100 years after he was relevant. And you know, there's some other players like Jim Brown or you know, there's not that many Wilt Chamberlain makes our show. I'm curious people from today who because of their accomplishments or pending accomplishments will be talked about 100 years from now on a sports radio show.
- [47:11]
Dan Patrick
Well, Shohei Ohtani will in my opinion because he threw six no hit innings. He also hit another home run. His ERA is now 0.82. He's becoming, I'll be careful when I say this, a better pitcher than hitter. Now he's been on a recent terror the last couple of weeks to raise his batting average. But I go back to what Dave Roberts said to us in spring training, that Ohtani is really focused on winning the Cy Young. If he were to win the Cy Young and with all these MVP and he'll win the MVP again, like we're seeing a historical run. We're seeing something that's never happened. And I don't know if we get imitators that, you know, you'll have teams that'll say hey, why don't we try to develop somebody like that? Because a lot of your pitchers were great hitters. They usually pitched and if you didn't pitch, you played shortstop and you batted third. But I think what we're seeing with Otani is something we've never seen before. Therefore, he's going to stand out. I mean, Messi is unbelievable, but is he Pele? Like we still talk about Pele, Tom Brady, who knows what the quarterbacking position is going to be like in a hundred years from now. Yes, Dylan.
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Dylan
So I guess the de facto soccer guy here, I have to say, Messi and Ronaldo do have kind of that extra level of reach globally.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. But they kind of cancel each other out. They're, they're both unbelievable. Like, Pele stood alone for a long time. But I think Ohtani to have s. He was, he was angry last night because his location wasn't great, but he had six no hit innings and hit another home run. Yes.
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Paulie
Paul, with Ohtani, does he get bonus points if it's really close for the Cy Young this year because he also has 600 at bats.
- [49:15]
Dan Patrick
And, and you brought up this point to me this morning and I didn't think about it. But if you're thinking about, hey, all I'm going to do is pitch. But then it's so much more than that. It's all I'm going to do is pitch and then the other days I'm going to hit. And you factor that in because pitchers, hey, I got to have four days rest. I got to have five days rest. Shohei Ohtani doesn't get that. Now you can say, okay, we going to be a dh. Okay, you still have to get ready for a game. So maybe not physically, but mentally you're getting ready for another game. Yes, Dylan.
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Mike Chirico
Yeah.
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Dylan
I mean the argument in the past against pitchers winning the MVP has always been, well, you play every five days. You know, batters play every single day. But I do think that he, Ohtani will have a tough time winning unless it is by like just undisputed that he's the Cy Young. I think love a tough time. If he's basically just winning the MVP every season. I think they'll be hesitant to give him both unless it is just like you can't make an argument.
- [50:17]
Dan Patrick
All right, he's pitched 55 innings. His ERA is 0.82. Go back to the start of the season. Like SK had a bad outing against the Mets. His ERA was like 64 plus. He's hit.383 over the past 13 games. And you're right, the voters might say, well, you got the mvp. Let the pit. Let schemes get the Cy Young again. Yeah. Paul.
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Paulie
Most starting pitchers have 11 or 12 starts at this juncture of the season. Ohtani has eight.
- [50:48]
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
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Paulie
So he's behind the curve a little bit and that could be used against.
- [50:53]
Dan Patrick
But I'm going to have to get the numbers here. And big day. Ray had these or we were talking about this, the amount of innings he's going to have to pitch. Because if I look at Chris sale and Jacob deGrom, like some of these guys who have won the Cy Young, I think Ohtani might have to pitch 170 innings. Even Tarek Scuba, I don't know what his numbers were. Probably under 200. I mean it is remarkable the amount of innings that pitchers don't pitch anymore. Yes. Dylan?
- [51:24]
Dylan
Yeah, I mean it's not apples to apples, but if you compare Ohtani winning MVP and Cy Young to like the NFL with MVP and Offensive Player of the year, where a lot of years you could argue whoever wins the MVP would also win the Offensive Player of the Year, I think they kind of bifurcate the two where the mvp.
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Dan Patrick
Bifurcate.
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Mike Chirico
Easy.
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Dan Patrick
Wow.
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Dylan
Okay.
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Mike Chirico
Word.
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Dan Patrick
Okay.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah. Paul.
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Paulie
Okay, here's a thing for OTANI Back in 2021, Corbin Burns, the starter for Milwaukee, he was 11 and 5. Only 28 starts, only 167 innings and he won the s. There's your opening.
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Dan Patrick
I mean who would have thought get to 150 innings, 160 innings, you can win the Cy Young, but that's, that's where we are now. I think Chris sale had like 1741 year, but Ohtani 6 no hit innings and wasn't pleased with his control. Joey Votto will speak about Shohei Ohtani coming up next hour. Get to your phone calls as well. 877-3D Operator Tyler's sitting by to take your calls. Hour two on this award nominated program coming up.
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