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No substitutions. Restrictions apply. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. We were trying to come up with a T shirt yesterday about Todd's driving. And he doesn't, you know, move from the left lane, the passing lane. And I thought, you know, maybe pass hole would be a good T shirt. I don't know how you guys stand with that. Gutsy was gutsy just now. Thank you. That's believable a little bit. But we've moved on from that. I think we've all learned that left lane is the passing lane. Get in the middle lane and let those people who want to zoom by you zoom by. Stop camping. Put your s' mores away. Go find a campsite. All right, so Todd is here, Seaton' Marvin's here, Paulie's here, and yours truly and the back room. Guys, it's a meat Friday, and I know you're wondering. We are going to have grilled ribeyes, strip steaks, filet mignon, barbecue pork chops, bacon, Brussels. No, no, not yet. No. 1 Russell sprouts, and we have polenta. Lovely. All of our meats are courtesy of Heartland Steak company, but if you're going to the website. Heartlandstake Company. Yes, Todd. Now, is that the menu for the next month or two or what? Did you just read a lot there? That's all happening today. That's all happening today. It's a meet Friday. Alrighty. Come on in. Stay a while. Merchandise store open for business. And we'll decide on that T shirt by the end of the show. We'll come up with that T shirt that'll be available just for the weekend. If you would like to purchase any a T shirt that well, it will. In remembrance of Todd Fritz in the left lane. I'm still trying to figure out a pass hole is acceptable to say, but good for you. Stat of the day, brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. First hour, brought to you by Rapid Radios official walkie talkie of the Dan Patrick Show. Push to talk nationwide LTE network. No subscriptions ever. Business owners stay connected with your employees anywhere. Visit rapid radios.com up to 60% off free shipping. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner or our radio affiliates around the country, Football last night, Seahawks hold off the Cardinals and Seattle now three and one on the year and the questions with the Cardinals remain, whether it's Kyler Murray, well, the overall organization. Marvin Harrison Jr. The third did have a touchdown reception and the Cardinals made it interesting. But Seattle at the buzzer wins that one and now improves to three and one. Busy schedule coming up this weekend. The Saints are 15 and a half point underdogs at the Buffalo Bills. You don't get a number that big. You know, the NFL prides itself on parody that maybe you'll get upwards of seven, eight, nine point spread. But I saw that with the Saints 15 and a half point underdogs in Buffalo. There's a game coming up this weekend where the point spread has kind of fluctuated a little bit. I find this a fascinating game. It's not a game that people are talking about. It's a college game. If you got so we have LSU and Ole Miss. We have Oregon, Penn State, Alabama and Georgia. Those are all great games, great matchups. But the game that I find the most interesting is Ohio State and Washington because this started out ten and a half for Ohio State giving ten and a half. Now it's down to seven and a half in some places. Something's going on here. Now Washington has a good offense. We haven't seen too much from Ohio State since the opening win against Texas. You're on the road and I find this one a fascinating game. But we'll talk about some of the other matchups throughout the show. 8, 7, 7, 3 DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. Email address dpanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show the Ryder cup is underway and Team USA is getting roughed up early and we'll keep an eye on that as well. Chris Sims from Football Night in America will stop by coming up next hour. Satan, what's poll question you're going to go with today, at least for the first hour. Think we got two of them here for you for the first hour from Paul NFL franchise that feels least competitive year to year. Is this recency bias here with the Arizona Cardinals? A little bit. It's, it's like a feel when you watch a team or A franchise year to year, they. They just feel like they're going to disappoint. And the Cardinals are possibly a 1 seed. Okay. Yeah, they. They. They tend to find the banana peel now. They've had some hot starts, you know, where first half of the season, and then all of a sudden, they cool off. Yes. I don't know if I, If I agree about that on the Cardinals because they. There's always a little bit of, man, if they could figure this out, though. If Kyler Murray can figure this out. If, man, they get. They just get a superstar wide receiver, maybe they could figure that. There's always a little bit like, man, they're like a. They're right there about being super competitive, and then it just doesn't work. They're. They're not the Browns. Would you. Well, okay. Would you rather be a Cardinal fan or a Browns fan? Cardinals fan. All day. All right, Todd. I think I'd rather be a Brown fan because you got the dog pound and people look genuinely passionate about their team. Arizona, you're in the sun, in the desert. I don't know. You know, they took shots at the stadium. I don't really see that Arizona sports fan crazy passion that I'd want to be surrounded by at the stadium. Well, sun and desert don't impact the game because. No, but, like, there's other things to do, and you're enjoying the sunshine. You're of mellow. You don't hear about the crazy Arizona fans that much, but you do hear about the dog fan. Marvin, Cardinal fan or Browns fan? Rather be a Cardinals fan. All right, Paul. This. This is a tough one. The Cardinals have made the postseason six times in the past 40 years. That's a horrible percentage. Yeah, I'd rather be a Browns fan. I'm going to go Browns fan. Yeah. I think Fritz, he had a point. They feel more into football. Yeah. There's passion there. As a franchise. Yes. Not the fan base. I'm not big on. Well, you know, I thought the whole point of this discussion that Todd just had was about the fan base. I would say more so like the ownership. They're both bad ownerships, but the Cardinals have a history of, I don't know, not investing. Well, we keep waiting for Kyler Murray. I don't know what we're expecting to see. Marvin Harrison. You know, Herbie was talking about this last night. This was a big topic, and rightfully so. This. This was a can't miss. Your dad's a Hall of Famer and you look to be bigger and better and stronger and faster and it hasn't happened. Now his numbers his rookie year weren't bad, but he's supposed to be great. And he stopped on a route that led to an interception. He had a big drop. Now he did have a really good touchdown reception. But you're supposed to have these things. You're supposed to be great and I maybe because you're at Ohio State, everything is open. Don't have to worry about hearing footsteps. But this is a standalone game and I said this would be a topic and a topic after the game depending on how well he played a standalone game. And Marvin Harrison, maybe that's the first time you've seen him play Talents there. Kyler Murray what do you get sacked seven times last time and last night six times last night. I mean and that's on the quarterback as well. That's not just the offensive line. That is quarterback trying to do maybe too much. You find a lot of these quarterbacks that, you know, that's where it's, it's kind of an optical illusion where man, how did that guy. How did Kate of Williams get sacked 68 times? Isn't he athletic? Lamar Jackson got sacked what, seven times the other night? Well, they're trying to keep a play alive too long and sometimes you know that athleticism comes back to haunt you. But for the Cardinals in that division, you know, cause the Niners are undefeated, the Rams are going to be there in the playoffs and Seattle's 3 and 1 so the margin for error and you haven't beaten Seattle since 2021. But it's just not an inspiring franchise there. What's the other poll question? Seaton? The other one we got here is the Vikings letting Sam Darnold leave was the right decision at the time or will come back to haunt them. No, it's the right decision. We saw when you need Sam Darnold to be great. What happened those last two games of the regular season in postseason didn't go well. Do I think he's a bridge quarterback in Seattle? I do and it might just be a one year deal. I mean Jalen Milroe could be their starting quarterback but I don't think there's and, and Sam was drafted probably too high or too high to go to a bad team. When he went to the jets he had a really good career at usc but you know he got kicked around in a couple other spots. You know, this isn't a. I, I didn't do well in one place and now I go to another place. And now I have this epiphany. He had stops along the way. Do I think he's capable of leading them to the playoffs? I do, but I, I don't look at him the way I look at, you know, some of these other franchise quarterbacks. And it's probably, it's, it, it says three year deal. It's really a one year deal. And I think the Vikings, they made, you know, they made that decision when they drafted J.J. mcCarthy, that they were moving on from him just like they moved on from Kirk Cousins. And they're all in on J.J. mcCarthy. Now, unless J.J. mcCarthy is going to be injury prone his entire career, then I don't like Minnesota made the right decision. By all accounts, they made the right decision. And you get that rookie contract with J.J. mcCarthy. He just has to stay healthy. Do I think he should be a better quarterback than Sam Darnold? Yes. But if Sam can kind of just not make mistakes. And last night was just, hey, just go out there, get a touchdown. Touchdown, a couple of touchdowns, no interceptions, and maintain, Manage a game. That's all. So we'll get to your phone calls coming up. Here is the. This is one of those games last night where you didn't know who the coaches were or you might not know who the coaches were. So when Jonathan Gannon is being interviewed at halftime and they're booing him and he hung in there and who was it who was doing the sideline? Yes. Hey, kudos to you because you brought up the booze that were happening in the moment there to the coach, they're booing, wonderful. But Jonathan Gannon, and then Seattle's head coach is Mike McDonald and he, Mike McDonald and he talked about how the Seahawks executed late in the game to win for us. It was just like, all right, hey, look, we're in, you know, we're identifying the two minute situation and AD and the guys are talking to the guys on the bench and they're ready to go to overtime. They're talking about our overtime plan. It was just kind of like, hey, what's, like, what's next? Clint called some great plays. We had a great protection. That's in that series. We were fortunate with the kick being, you know, not in the landing zone. And then, you know, Sam and Jax were just lights out and just a great job overall. Brian did a great job of, of managing the, managing the clock. And this is, this is how we roll. Okay, so that's Mike McDonald, not McDaniel and Jonathan Gannon. Fritz, he goes. Jonathan Gannon was He a backup quarterback somewhere? I got confused with Rich. I have a. Mike McDonald had a farm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what's going on there? Yeah. Mike Glennon, Terry Gannon, like, you know, I don't know what's going on here, but standalone game and therefore everybody has an opinion on both of these teams from last night. We will get to your phone calls coming up. The topic is not leaving anytime soon, and that is Russell Wilson Jr III. Is he a Hall of Famer playing himself out of the hall of Fame? Tony Gonzalez, hall of Famer, came down hard on Russell Wilson last night. Richard Sherman, his former teammate, came down hard on Russell Wilson as well. We'll talk about that. But it's open season on Russell Wilson. It feels like. I hope he gets an opportunity to play for the Bengals. I don't know if it'll happen. I don't know if the Bengals are interested. I know he's saying all the right things, but he always says all the right things. It feels like the only time in his career he didn't say. What you thought he was going to say was when he came on this show and said he wanted out of Seattle. That's it. Maybe needs to say the same thing in New York. You know what? I don't want to be looking over Jackson's shoulder. We have Jameis here. Can I go and try to salvage the back end of my career? Can I go play for the Bengals for a year? I don't know if it'll happen, but if I'm the Bengals, I'd certainly entertain that. But we'll play some of the comments that Tony Gonzalez and Richard Sherman had. And I know Richard Sherman doesn't like Russell Wilson. I wish that he would have said that up front. Look, I don't have a good relationship or I didn't like him when he was a teammate, like, because you got to factor that in. You know, his opinion as a player now as an analyst is a little bit cloudy because he didn't like Russell Wilson. A lot of players on Seattle didn't like Russ. They thought he was phony. But he helped you get a Super bowl ring. Now you can say you helped him, absolutely. But I think you got to do a little deeper dive just to be fair to Russ in what he's done or what he did. It's easy to look at him now and say he's washed and he might be. Yes, Marvin, it might be unfair. But do you think they look at him maybe like a Brad Johnson, maybe a Trent Dil or somebody that a Jim McMahon. We were led by a great defense and you were just the quarterback on the team. It's not like you were a great quarterback. We won that Super Bowl. Look, he played for a great defense. Nobody's denying that. But sometimes we forget. Did Joe Montana have great players on his team? I think so. Okay, did Matthew Stafford have one of the greatest defensive players of all time on his team when he won the Super Bowl? Did he have, you know, an upper echelon head coach, maybe the best coach in the NFL right now? Did he have Cooper Cup? OBJ was on that team. Like, if we're going to start bringing in. Well, how much talent did that guy have? How much talent did that guy have? Like, you got to be fair. And I don't know that people are being fair to Russell Wilson. Yes, Marvin, but I was just saying there's Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas and those guys from the Legion to boom. Think that about Russ, that, that, you know, he was just the quarterback. It's not like he was leading the charge. This team was led with a great defense and you just happened to be the quarterback. I don't think he's Trent Dilfer. Oh, me? I mean either. Not Joe Flacco. I think you got to be fair to him. And I think. I think we forget. You know what, Let me take a break. We'll bring back the sound from last night. I was surprised that this was a topic last night, but I guess with Seattle on there and you know, the memories of Russell Wilson. All right, we'll take a break. We'll get phone calls coming up. By the way, did I ask who has it better than we do? Nobody. And our thanks to Heartland Stake that they provide all the meat for Meat Friday. We'll take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick show. 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It's just I thought he was a hundred catch guy, thought he was a 10 touchdown guy. I thought he was, you know, a 1200 yard guy. I'm waiting for him to be dominant and I don't know if it's going to happen in Arizona. I don't know if it'll happen with Kyler Murray, but that certainly was a topic last night. We'll get a couple of phone calls here. Then we'll dive into the topic that continues to linger and that is Russell Wilson. Should he retire? Is he a Hall of Famer? A couple of guys weighed in on that last night, Buddha in San Francisco. Hi, Buddha. Welcome back. No, buddy. Happy me Friday boys live every day in the fast lane. Fritzy, let's go. Go, baby. Let's go, Buddha. Well, Dan, I gotta say, after Wednesday, that changed my whole driving perspective forever. I didn't get a chance to call him with my shirt idea, but I wanted to still throw it in fast and Fritzius. Thank you, Buddha. Yeah, we're trying to come up with a T shirt by the end of the show. And they'll be available for the. Just for the weekend there. Colby in California. Hi, Colby. Hey. Hey. I had a. I had two things. One, the gas or. All right, got a bad connection there. Colby, Scott and St. Paul. Hi, Scott. Morning, Dan. Morning, fellas. First time, long time? 5 7. Relatively solid 165. Thank you. It occurred to me over the last two days, and especially listening yesterday about the great passing lane controversy, that for someone who is not on the bone of section row seat for years now, that Todd was having such a hard time grasping the idea of slow lane, cruising lane, passing lane. Thank you, Scott. Does that help you, Todd? It doesn't. Because it's slow lane, cruising lane, fast lane, because many people use the left lane, as I've said the last couple days, not as a way to pass other cars, but to just go very fast for long periods of time in the left lane. Chris in Syracuse joins us. Hi, Chris. Hey, thanks, Tan. Hey, question for you. And on the T shirt, there's no way to be pass hole, But I was thinking it's a little wordy, but. Hey, pass hole, toddler aboard. So back off. Earlier in the week, the Yankees caught some grief for their celebration when they clinched the wild card. And for me, if Chico Bail Bonds had no problem with Tanner Boyle and the boys knocking back a couple. Couple beers after their big game, I have no problem with it. Yeah, but nobody expected Bad News Bears to do anything. The Yankees are the Yankees. You don't celebrate a wild card birth. You're the Yankees. My question is, Dan, two weeks ago, nobody thought that the Yankees had a shot at the division. And this weekend, if they win the division, do they go hair the dog and celebrate again? I'm fine with them. Celebrate. Celebrating the division. And it might change the MVP if Aaron Judge helps lead the Yankees to win the division. Just like Cal Rawling. Cal Raleigh, according to DraftKings, is your favorite to win the MVP in the American League. And. And it's a great story. I wonder if Major League Baseball is going to do cut ins, let's say he gets to 62 home runs. Are they going to do what they did with Aaron Judge? Because when Aaron Judge was going to pass Roger Maris, they were, you know, every at bat it felt like, are they going to do that? Is the commissioner going to be going to Seattle's games this weekend if he happens to pass Aaron Judge on the all time list? All right, so here's the story. And, and we've talked about Russell Wilson before. He's been, was a frequent guest on this show for many, many, many years, Many, many times. Mostly when he was in Seattle. But he's fallen off when he went to Denver. Now the, the numbers in Denver weren't terrible. I think his last year there was 26 touchdowns, eight interceptions. There's a lot of quarterbacks who would sign up for that, a lot of teams who would sign up for that. But given what they gave up to get him, Russ was not going to live up to that. And the contract that he signed, he was not going to live up to that. And you had Sean Payton, who did not want Russell Wilson. He got, you know, to Pittsburgh, got them to the playoffs, but, you know, they were going to move on from him because they had inside track with Aaron Rodgers. It's just he has not been the right guy at the right time. Where he was in Seattle and he was there. Rookie contract, third round pick Pete Carroll saw enough in him that he said, hey, you're going to be my starter. You had a veteran team, certainly defensively, you had a couple of offensive weapons, certainly Marshawn lynch. You had a couple of really good offensive linemen there. And Russ did what you would want your quarterback to do in that situation, not lose games occasionally, have some magic there. You won a Super bowl, nearly won another super bowl and he's gone to 10 Pro Bowls. Now you can say, was he an alternate last year for the Pro Bowl. Now, I don't know when's the last time he was a Pro bowl quarterback? If we could check on that. Yeah, a true Pro bowl quarterback. 20, 21 in Seattle. He was an alternate last year. Last year he had 16 touchdowns and five picks. Okay, the Pro bowl is not what it once was, but that's only been over the last couple of years. Let's say Russ has nine legitimate Pro Bowls. Okay, nine in Seattle, nine in like 11 years, something like that. That's pretty impressive. And you won a Super Bowl, I think, because he is viewed as losing a Super Bowl. He threw the past. You lost a Super Bowl. That brings him Down a notch. He did more for Seattle that year than Peyton did the year in Denver when they won a Super Bowl. But Peyton's given credit for two Super Bowls there. Last night, Tony Gonzalez was asked by Carissa Thompson about Russell Wilson. Do you think we've seen the last of Russell Wilson? Honestly, I hope we have. And, and I say that because just looking at him and his career, his legacy like you talked about, if ever there was somebody who played himself out of a Hall of Fame, it's Russell Wilson. Really. I say that because look at what he's. What's happened ever since he left Seattle. When he was in Seattle, he was the man. He was making these good plays. He won a super, went to two of them. But as soon as he left there, he went to Denver, signed that big old deal. They paid him $39 million to leave. He goes to Pittsburgh, plays their one year there. He's out of there now. He goes here and has three games. I just don't know if it's going to get any better. And I don't want to see him on a sideline holding a clipboard. Okay, here is Richard Sherman, former teammate of Russell Wilson. I think you got to judge his career off. When the Legion of Boom was there, he had a legendary defense, an all time defense and how much success he had. And then without that legendary defense, the success he had without that legendary defense, he's been 4 and 11, 7 and 8.03 to start with the Giants. Like that's. He was a winning football player in Seattle and people said, hey, winning his football player, all this good stuff, all these accolades and now you get to go on your own and you get to prove, hey, I'm this great quarterback, I'm this guy that's going to be dominant. And it just hasn't worked out that way. Okay, this is revisionist history. The Legion of Boom went away when Russ was 27. You can, you can point towards the last three years. How about we be fair to what he did in Seattle? Because that's what this is about. And once you're in, aren't you in, in the hall of Fame, unless there's a scandal, it doesn't feel like you're going to play your way out of it. Now, have I brought up this question? Absolutely. To be fair to the topic I have said, is he playing his way out of it? My job is to ask the question. Your opinion could be. Of course not. But I think you got to be careful with what Russ did in Seattle after the Legion of Boom. And because of Russ's contract, you were able to keep players a little bit longer because he was on that rookie deal. Yeah, Paulie, you're exactly right on the defense in Seattle, when Russ was there, Russell Wilson's first five years in Seattle, they had a top three defense every year. His last five years in Seattle, they didn't have a top 10 defense in any of those seasons. Yeah, there's two different eras. But I think you got to be fair to him, and I don't think people are. Now, is he different? Is he odd? Yes. But he was still great in Seattle. He did what you want a quarterback to do. What do you need me to do? Now? How many times did we watch a Seattle game and the score would be like 17 to 15, and then Pete Carroll would go, I don't know. Russ, pull this out. And he would. He had that one pass. That one pass. It. It. It's. And. And once again, the pass was on the numbers. You know, you just had Malcolm Butler made an un. One of the greatest plays in super bowl history. Football history. Yes. Did we consider Russell Wilson a First Battle hall of Famer at the end of his reign in Seattle? No. But there are quarterbacks who have put up less numbers than him. Eli's regular season is not good at all. It is. Is average. His record is 500. That's average. He won two incredible Super Bowls. He was MVP, even though on one of those, the defensive line should have been mvp, but he got two of those and had two incredible runs. We're trying to bring Eli into the Russell conversation, or vice versa. Eli stands on his own. It shouldn't be about Russell Wilson and Russ shouldn't be about Eli Manning. But that's. It feels like that's. That's the conversation now. Yes. Yeah. Because if that pick doesn't happen, they're the exact same. Well, no, Russ is a. Would be considered a. In my opinion, far better quarterback than Eli. Yeah. But if Russ has that second ring, then he's in, no question. Yes, absolutely. And that's the comparison. Eli getting that second ring and beating the Patriots, that gets him in for sure. No problem. And Eli made the Pro bowl four times, and he led the league in interceptions a couple of times. Three times. I mean, I don't have any problem with Eli being a Hall of Famer. He's going to be. You know his name. You beat Belichick and Brady twice. Okay. Played a long time. He was durable. He played in over 200 consecutive games. But Russ is a Hall of Famer. I. I know he's tailed off here. He's playing for a bad team. Pittsburgh, they went to the playoffs. Denver. That was bad move by Denver. And Sean Payton quickly realized that. Yeah, Paulie, the comp on this is almost like an actor, like a guy like Liam Neeson was once considered one of the top actors in the world. And like, he was in most serious movies. He was. He won awards. Then he kind of changed directions at the end of the career, and it was different. It's not the same stuff. It's like, just because an actor or even a musician changes what they do in the back half of their career, it doesn't take away from the first half. And it's almost like these guys last night were looking through the lens of Russell Wilson as a giant, and they can't see the past, the ten years in Seattle. Yeah. And I mean, there's different comps here if you're trying to do that. I mean, is he a Ben Roethlisberger kind of quarterback here? Roethlisberger was carried to that first Super Bowl. Jerome Bettis and Heinz Ward have talked about that, how he was scared to death in that first Super Bowl. But, you know, he put up great numbers here. Yeah. Seaton. I think it's tough to ask a former teammate who played on the defense to be impartial about certain conversations, because in his mind, I mean, Richard Sherman's reaction to that interception is almost as famous as the play itself. Yeah, right. And he's like, nah, man. Because if it wasn't for that dude, we would have won. The defense is what carried us all these years. We're the ones that did this. And the whole story the whole time was, yeah, Legion of Boom was whatever. But now let Russ Cook. What about Russ, man? We can take the training wheels off Russ. Let him go do what he think. And meanwhile, you know, people like Richard Sherman are like, no, dude. Like, like, we carried that dude. I kind of. I think it's difficult to ask people who are in the situation to not have an opinion, a strong opinion about it, to be fair. Rich, the Legion of Boom has gotten a ton of credit. A ton of credit. Nobody is bypassing them and saying they weren't impactful. One of the great secondaries we have ever seen in the NFL. So they. They've gotten their flowers here, and you got Earl Thomas and Richard Sherman, who are probably hall of Famers. Cam Chancellor was wonderful. I, I here's the last five years in Seattle for Russell Wilson. Touchdowns and interceptions, 34 and 1135 and 7, 31 and 5, 40 and 13 and 25 and 6. Only Aaron Rodgers was better over that period. Touchdown to interception Rat. I. I think you look at today and you're not being fair to what Russ was without the legion of Boom, because the legion of Boom wasn't there after he was 27. He's 36 now. Yes. Mark, going back to Roethlisberger, the same point that you made with Eli. Ben Roethlisberger became a Hall of Famer because of a unbelievable super bowl against the Cardinals. And I think that's the big distinction is the one super bowl versus the two Super Bowls with Eli and Ben. But nobody says, boy, the Steelers had an unbelievable defense. I mean. Right. And James Harrison had one of the best defensive plays ever. Yes. James Harrison's interception at the end of the first half. But I think Ben Roethlisberger had that unbelievable pass that. How many people could make. Okay. He had an unbelievable pass. That was an unbelievable two minute drill. Absolutely. I mean, Ben's a Hall of Famer. I just, I'm surprised that, you know, the tail end. What if Russ started his career right now the way he's ending it and then flipped it around? He's in like Matthew Stafford. Yes. We're like, oh, my God, this guy's unbelievable. But we look at the tail end, you know, when we see Willie Mays falling down in center field as a Met. Well, yeah. Do I remember it? Yes. But I also remember might have been the greatest talent I ever saw on a baseball field. Yeah. Paulie, the two years that Ben Roethlisberger won a Super bowl with the Steelers, they had the third ranked defense in the league and the first ranked defense in the league. Yeah. But nobody brings that up. No context. No. And that's. That's all I think Richard needs to at least say, hey, I don't have the best relationship with Russ. Maybe I can't be impartial here. Tony Gonzalez can say whatever he wants. I mean, these are their opinions. And they played the game. And, you know, you had Richard who played with Russ. I understand that. Let's just remember the numbers here and how the team performed. Yeah. Seaton, if you look at, say like 2012, the Seahawks averaged about 25 points a game on offense and gave up 15 points. If you go 10 years later. Well, not quite 10 years later, but if you go to, say, 2019, they were averaging 25 points a game still on offense, but giving up 25 points a game on defense. I mean, that's like the Whole story just based on that. To me, Russell Wilson and that offense stayed exactly the same through his entire tenure there. The only difference was the defense started giving up too many points for him to overcome. Yeah. Paulie, if you go back to the Super Bowl, Patriots vs. Seattle, the luminaries that Russell Wilson was throwing to, Chris Matthews, Ricardo Lockette, Jermaine Curse, Doug Baldwin and Brian Walters and Gronkowski and Edelman were on the other side. And Brady. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you heard of him. Yeah. It's an interesting topic. I just think it's easy to dismiss Russ now and forget about what he did before. Yes, Marvin, if Russell had an MVP award, would this not even be a discussion? Because I think the big difference is when we say, like Peyton Manning, he didn't have a great ending in Denver, but he had MVP awards, would that be a big difference? Also because Pro Bowls might be. Pro Bowls versus all Pros are a different, you know, stratosphere. Yeah. If you look at Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVPs for quarterbacks, I mean, that's. Or regular season MVPs. Yes. That's probably the category that you use. You add that up and that. I mean, look at Brady. The number of super bowl wins, number of Super Bowl MVPs. I don't know how many times he was a regular season MVP, but it's probably. The total is 15 of MVP, Super bowl and regular season MVP. That's. That dwarfs everybody. That's double what Peyton. Peyton had what, five MVPs. He had two Super Bowls. Yeah. Paulie, this is a question answer after the break, who will have an easier time getting in the hall of Fame? Russell Wilson or Philip Rivers? We'll take a break. Play of the day is up next. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. I like being able to control at least one win every Saturday. With doordash streaks, you can win every week without leaving the couch. Here's how it works. Order every Saturday and you'll start to build up the Savings. Up to $250 over the course of the season, including $100 in DoorDash credits. 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This is the play of the day. Check this out. Freddy swings, hits a drive deep right center heading back to the wall. It is off the top of the wall and gone into the pool. The second home run for Freddy Freeman in the game and the Dodgers lead it eight to nothing. That's courtesy of AM570LA Sports Dodgers Radio Network. Dodgers clinched their 12th Western Division title in the last 13 years. That's your play of the day. Shohei Ohtani hit his 54th home run of the season in that game. For over 40 years, Tire Rack has been helping you find the right tires for how and what and where you drive. Ship fast and free. Backed by free road hazard protection with convenient installation options like mobile tire installation. Tire rack.com the way tire buying should be. Mel in Ohio. Hi, Mel. What's on your mind today? Hi, Dan. Hi, Mel. Hi. I just wanted to call in and say that I think you guys were so mean to Todd the other day about his driving because I understood exactly what he was saying. He's gone the speed limit. He's in the left lane. Somebody's on his tail. Well, if that person needs to go faster, maybe that person should go into the right lane. Or. Or that person should have left earlier. And another thing, Dan, you especially mentioned how grandmothers drive. And I'm a grandmother, Dan. And I thought when I have to go on the highway, I always go the speed limit. Mel. Todd brought up grandmothers, not me. Todd made fun of grandmothers, not me. Bad on Todd. Yes. That's why I'm so mean to Todd, because he makes fun of grandmother. I should not have made a sweeping statement, but it does. Sometimes at a certain age, everyone, they're afraid to drive a little bit. They're going like 35, 40 on the highway and that can cause accidents too. All you have to do is say, I'm sorry, but Mel stuck up for me with a left leg. Well, now she's not because she's a grandmother. I'm sorry, Mel, that we pick on Todd even though Todd deserves it. I. I love you guys. I listen. I listen to your sports show every morning on the radio and I love listening to you. But I. I felt bad for Todd, maybe because I am a grandmother, even though he was making fun of grandmothers. But thank you, Mel. Thank you. See, Todd, not all grandmothers. Mel's fine. The Rest of them, grandmothers and grandfathers go a little faster on the highway. All right, we. We tease this going into the commercial break. Paulie, would you pose the question again? Okay. Who will have an easier time getting into the Pro Football hall of Fame? An easier time, Philip Rivers or Russell Wilson? It feels like Phillip Rivers might have an easier time. Even though Russ should get in easier, his resume is better. Phil Rivers went to eight Pro Bowls as a charger. He once appeared in AFC title game. He has never made all Pro. He was never an mvp. Lots of yards, lots of touchdowns. Okay. Yeah. And if you put both of them in, I'm fine. But if you say, who should have an easier time, I would think Russ, but not with what's happened the last couple of years. And this sentiment is starting to build up. You know, you have to deep dive and do a deep dive on, you know, Philip Rivers as well. But I would say that Russ should. But feels like Philip Rivers will. Yeah. Paul, remember back in the day, and you could help with this because you covered these teams. Phil Sims of the Giants, everyone said if he had a second super bowl, he'd probably be a Hall of Famer. Is that the conventional wisdom? Yes. He was a one time Pro Bowler. He was a very tough, popular quarterback, but not never a great stat guy. And he won one Super Bowl. If he won that super bowl that Jeff Hostetler was the quarterback of, then I think Phil Sims playing in New York, playing for the Giants, would be a Hall of Famer. And it's wild that Russell needed one more pass completion to be maybe first ballot. Just hand the ball off to Marshall. Give it someone else. Just hand it off to him. God, I remember that. Oh, I'm right under the goalpost. Because the game is going to end. Seattle's going to win the Super Bowl. I got to be up on the podium to hand out the trophy, and all of a sudden he went back to pass and I went, oh, bleep. And my producer, Ron Vaccaro of NBC was there with me, and we just thought the past got knocked down. I'm like, oh, my God, you lived to, you know, call another play. And then he said, no, they got an interception. And all of a sudden, Malcolm comes out with the ball and I go, they just lost the Super Bowl. They just lost the Super Bowl. All right, one hour in the books. Two more to go. This meet Friday. Chris Simms on loan from Pro Football Talk and Football Night in America. More of your phone calls as well. More ideas on our Fritzi T. Shirt. I have that for you coming up as well. Todd's here. Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly and the backroom guys. 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