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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 1 on this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan at Stan Patrick show wasn't a shock, but there's still an element of surprise with what happened in Pittsburgh. So now we have the Cardinals, Falcons, Ravens, Browns, Raiders, Dolphins, Giants, Titans, Steelers, all looking for head coaches. We'll talk to the man who's been covering the Steelers for, I think, three decades, Jerry Dulak from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. He'll join us coming up in about 20 minutes from now. And what he reported on yesterday is Mike Tomlin made the decision to step down with two years left on his contract and a contract that was going to pay him $25 million a year. I guess if you're looking at next stop, as we've talked about speculated the last two years, it was going to be TV as almost a pit stop, maybe a year or two and then probably get back into coaching. But we'll talk to Jerry. He'll join us coming up. Good morning. 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Probably going to get somebody who is not established, probably getting somebody who will be in their mid-30s, maybe late-30s. That's been the pattern for the Steelers over the last 60 years. All right. 877-3DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls today. Seaton poll question for the first hour is what? Well, do you want to start with Mike Tomlin or with Mike Tomlin's replacements? Let's do Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin, yeah. Is it fair to say, or how do I word this correctly, if Mike Tomlin stepped down or was stepped down? Well, Jerry Dulac, who's covering the team, said according to his sources, Mike Tomlin made the decision that he was going to step down. Yes. Paul, was the Mike Tomlin decision to step down completely voluntary would be my question. Completely voluntary? Does it matter? No. Well, I think it does a little bit if you compare it to what happened to Harbaugh. No, Harbaugh got fired. Right. But I was I'm curious if the Pittsburgh ownership suggested this course of action. It's a fair question. Harbaugh wanted to stay. Tony Dungy told us that when he talked to the front office Ownership. It felt like if Mike wanted to continue to coach and he had two years left on his contract, then he was going to be able to coach. But do I think it's a mutual. I don't. I never believe in a mutual parting where you walk in and you both say at the same time, I think that we should break up. Yes. What I kind of want to have happen, if I had sort of like some type of magical wish. Yeah. I could make something happen. I would have Lincoln Riley leave USC and Mike Tomlin take the USC job. Just so five years later we could have that story be true. Maybe, like. Yeah. See, nobody believed me. But see, what happened? I told you Mike Tomlin was taking the USC job. Okay. Yeah. And you wonder why Mike Tomlin has never been on this show. Yeah. That was one of those where USC had a list, and I had a source who said, all right, I've looked at the wish list of who we're going to hire. Who would we be interested in, who they want to hire, who they like. Yeah, it's a wish list. Yeah. Yeah. And Mike Tomlin was on the wish list. That's all. He wasn't interested. Never heard anything. So when I said that, hey, I have somebody who's seen this wish list and said, mike Tomlin is on the wish list. Is this a joke? And then all of a sudden, somebody says, yeah, Dan Patrick said that, you know, you're interested in the USC job, which is not how I phrased it. I said, they are interested in Mike. What you mean a reporter framed a question to a coach to get a reaction out of him in a press conference? Get out of it. They're supposed to be journalists in there. They're professional. They don't do that. No, they don't. So, Mike. Tom. Yeah. Lincoln Riley knew the Steelers. Lincoln Riley can go wherever he wants. I just want Mike Tomlin to take the USC job just so we can have some fun with you. Yeah. I'm taking receipt. Are you taking receipts or dropping receipts? What is receipts? Keeping receipts. You keep them keeping receipts? Yes. Todd, you think Tomlin possibly had a mindset that when I'm about to meet the front office and the owners, if I don't immediately feel the love and the confidence and the encouragement that they want me back? Anything less than that, I'm just going to step down. I need to hear that right away. And maybe he was thinking about going in. I don't know how they phrased it. I don't know how, you know, they did they pose a Question, Mike, what do you want to do? Or do you say, mike, we want you back. What do you want to do? We talked about this yesterday, but I think Mike Tomlin probably felt after 19 years, I need. I need to take a big, deep breath here. I need 53. And I'm not saying that this is one of those midlife crisis as much as it is, okay? I've. I've accomplished this. I've accomplished a lot. I have total respect around the league. Networks are going to want to hire me. You get together with your wife and you say, what do we want to do? And maybe you want to take that deep breath and just say, you know what? Maybe I do tv. And I don't know how good he would be on tv. I've always found that he's interesting to look at with his expressions. I don't know how demonstrative he's going to be with his words. Like, when you see him on the sidelines, you're like, he looks interesting. And it can be fun in press conferences. A little prickly, but, I don't know. You put him in studio, you put him on doing a game. Like, I think if you would hire Mike Tomlin, I would want him in studio. I would want to see him. And you could control what he's going to be talking about as opposed to in a game. You know, just because you know the game, you've coached a game, you've won a Super bowl, you've been in the playoffs, that doesn't mean you can do a broadcast. But if I put you in a studio, and this is what I would do if I'm NBC, I would say to Mike Tomlin, we want to hire you through the postseason, and we have the Super Bowl. So now I get kind of a head start. Now, do I think CBS is going to reach out? Because Matt Ryan is now working with the Falcons, and I brought that up to Bill Cower yesterday. Hey, I'd bring in Mike Tomlin this weekend if I'm cbs, put him in there with Cower, you know, then you get to ask him the questions about this. Then you get to talk to him about, you know, the games coming up. So you have him do his first interview with you. Jay Glazer is a great relationship with Mike. I could see that they haven't replaced Jimmy Johnson. I could see where you bring in Mike Tomlin, but I don't know if he's part of the hijinks that you have at the Fox pregame show. Like, wacky, you know, goofy, Stuff, whereas cbs, you know, a little bit more, you know, uniformity with that. And you're there with Bill Cower. That could be fun as well. But he'll have options. But if I'm NBC, I bring him in and I say, we would like to have you through the super bowl, see what he says. All right. So the. Yes, Todd, is there a standard coach owners meeting? I know, like the players, you know, they pack up their stuff and you meet with the press and all that. I was just wondering who initiated the conversation, how much that mattered. Did Mike Tomlins say, hey, do you got a minute? To the ownership group? Or did they say, mike, come on in, let's talk about some stuff? Well, you always have an exit inter. Every team, every coach has that. I'm just. I'd be fascinated to know just how that started. And, you know, not that it would be aggressive, but who initiated the. What are we doing next here? What's our plan? Are we here? We're not here together? Well, no. You have an exit interview, season's over, you get together, you talk about what short term, long term plans are. This took on probably a different tone where you're walking in and you're saying, all right, what are we doing? We want you back. What are you thinking? Two years left on your contract. What are you thinking? That's probably, you know, how this was sort of, the table was set for this meeting. I can't imagine. There go, hey, Mike, come on in, let's talk. Yeah. So what do you want to do at quarterback next year now? What do you think? You know, I think this was. Let's start big picture, keep it big picture. If he decides he's going to stay, well, now we can have some questions about the roster. And I didn't think. I thought at the beginning of the year, I thought that this would be the last year for Tomlin, the last year for Aaron Rodgers. And it looks like Aaron Rodgers will be done in Pittsburgh as well. I don't know if there's any other opportunity for him. Somebody suggested to me yesterday, well, what if Minnesota brought him in? And I thought, okay, maybe this past year. But now all of a sudden he's 43 and he's looking every bit 43. You still have a couple of good receivers on that team, but. And I think they want to open up the competition with JJ McCarthy. But I. I don't want a one and done or, you know, like Pittsburgh. All right, it was one year. You rolled the dice. You got to the playoffs, and that's it. It didn't work out. But I don't know if I see a team like you can't have a team go, hey, let's bring him in. And maybe people like the Cleveland Browns, hey, maybe somebody will show up to watch Aaron Rodgers play quarterback. I don't see that. I don't think that there's this victory tour for him. I don't think he's interested in that. But with Mike Tomlin, and you're going to get compensation if Mike coaches the next two years. That's why I think he, if he takes that TV job, he might take it for two years. Now, I don't know if you still have to compensate the Steelers after those two years because he does have two years left on his contract. I don't know if that continues in perpetuity. If he takes another head coaching job. Yes. Marvin, do you see him pulling a Bill Cower or Coach Cower, where you never coach again because, hey, I coached the Steelers. What can get better than this? Well, there was sensitivity involved with Bill Cower, with his wife. She was sick and he needed to spend more time. Three daughters and. And so I think that that's the reason why Bill was not coming back to coaching. And also, you know, these guys get into TV and they realize it's not bad. You know, it's not the wear and tear, the hours, wins, losses, all of that. Well, you wake up Monday, you're good, you didn't lose. You might have won a little bit with, you know, your performance on tv, but you rarely lose. Get to go have meals, get to wear nice clothes. You get to have people, you know, put makeup on you. It's not bad. Not bad at all. So I think Mike, he's. He strikes me as. He's a coach and would still want to coach. But I think, I mean, look at the NFL. Look at all the openings here. And I thought there would be six, maybe seven openings. I don't even. I was told yesterday by a source, you know, don't rule out somebody else's team in the playoffs, changing coaches. And I'm thinking how much more, how many candidates are out there? But you got John Harbaugh at the top of the list. I don't know if Mike Tomlin would be on that list, but if I'm a team, all of these teams, I'd be reaching out to Mike Tomlin. What I would want is an interview with Mike Tomlin so Tomlin could tell me about my team. If I'm Arizona, I go, mike, we'll turn this over to you. We'll give you $20 million. You can do whatever you want. Total autonomy. And see if he's interested. He's probably not. Yeah. Paulie, a couple things on Tomlin. Since the Steelers did not fire him, they retained the rights to him throughout the 2027 season. So any team that hires him this coaching cycle or next year's coaching cycle would owe some type of compensation to that to the Steelers also. The Steelers posted this 35 minutes ago. Steelers president Art Rooney II will speak to the media today at 12 Eastern. And and then yesterday posted thank you, Coach Tomlin, for the hard work, dedication, success you brought the Steelers for over 19 years. Okay, a couple things. All right, so we'll talk to Jerry Dulak, who covers the Steelers and get his thoughts on how this all came about. And you know, it felt like one of the worst kept secrets because people kept saying, man, Tomlin, I could see him doing TV, boy, he'd be good at TV. I don't know. You're 53, you're in the middle of a playoff chase. You get into the playoffs, you lose in the playoffs. Now all of a sudden you step down. So there was something there. 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That's nine times in, in Mike Tomlins career that ties Marty Schottenheimer, who's long remembered for all the one and dones, you know, with that dubious record and you know, five times in the playoffs the last six years. I mean, obviously, you know, people who are on here think the sky is falling because they haven't won a playoff game. And to them I understand why, but it's just, it's kind of the same, the same scene every year get into postseason and then not only get eliminated, but you know, they're really, I know that the Texans scored two touchdowns in the last four minutes, but the games are never really competitive. And you know, I, you know, Dan, people always say you don't make change for the sake of change. And the Steelers didn't make this change. Mike Tomlin decided to step down, but it was time to make a change just for the sake of change. You couldn't continue if your ownership. I don't know how you could have just sat there and watched the same old thing happen again. And you know, Mike Tomlin made the decision for them. Do you think it was completely his decision here? I'm still trying to get to the bottom of that, Dan, because I don't always think that's the case. But I will say this. I have been told from the top that the Steelers retain his rights and that would mean that he stepped down, that they didn't fire him. You know, that would be a different, different scenario. So I'm going to go on that with the, with the idea that he did step down. And from everybody I heard, including some of years, it, that seems to be the case. I don't think, I don't think they told him, look, we'll let you, you know, we want you out, but we'll let you step down. I don't think that's the case, but I'm still, I'm still open to the possibility. So what's next for Tomlin? I don't know. You know, Dan, everybody wants to think that, you know, he's going to be, he's perfect for TV and that's where he's going to go. Look, you know, he and I don't sit down and have those discussions, but I've never gotten the indication that that's something on his radar and I don't know if he wants to continue coaching. That's what I'm going to, you know, obviously find out here in the next couple days. I don't know what his plans are because I haven't had a chance to talk to him. But I, you know, Mike, Mike Tomlins, a football junkie and I would almost, I would expect him to, you know, want to go coach again. But I guess we're going to find out. 19 years in one place, let's face it. Long time and I never got any sense that he was burned out. I never thought that at all. And I just, I think he looked at kind of the, the landscape and the environment of what was going on here. And you know, I'm not going to sit here and say he stepped down for the better good of the franchise or maybe the better good of his reputation, I don't know. But I think he could feel and sense and see what was going on, you know, from the fan base to everything else. And just probably thought, you know what, it's time to step, step away. What's next for the Steelers? Well, you know, obviously their history of hiring head coaches has been pretty good and they haven't had to do it in a while. 19 years. When you look at the last three hires, all young defensive minded coaches, I would expect the same to happen. Despite what we, the way we see the NFL being played these days, I would imagine they'll follow the same template. I think they'll move quickly. I'm not going to do it by the end of the week, but I would imagine that's the direction they are going to go. And I will tell you when Bill Cower stepped down after the 06 season. The Steelers retained a number of his assistance from the staff, including Bruce Arians, Dick LeBeau, Keith Butler. I don't know if that's going to be the case, but that's one thing the Rooneys do. You know, they don't, they don't let a coach come in and start picking his entire staff and his training staff and a medical staff and his secretaries and a PR staff. The Steelers say, hey, this is what you got and you work around that and so we'll see how it plays out. I would expect a lot of that, you know, to still be the same Aaron Rodgers future. I think, I think if Mike Tomlin stayed, I think they would have welcomed him back to a degree. But I will say this, Dan, whether he was coming back or not, it wasn't going to change what they want to do, intend to do in the draft. And I'm not saying they will do it because we'll see how it plays out. But their intention is to find a quarterback that they can build on for the next 10, 12, 15 years, hopefully. And so whether Aaron Rodgers comes back or not, that plan doesn't change. I know that it falls on Mike Tomlin, but did front office help build a team that could challenge for a Super Bowl? I don't think there's any question that, you know, their general manager, Omar Khan was very aggressive the last two years, even the last three, but especially the last two, in trying to get the pieces to, you know, to make a potential run. But, you know, the first step was winning a playoff game and that didn't happen. And so they also brought in a number of 30 plus veterans that, that didn't work then. I don't know that you stick with the, with the same personnel and you start to make some changes again. And at some point, you know, the Steelers, Dan, never use the word rebuild. Yeah. And I'm not saying they're going to do that, but, you know, they've done it kind of piecemeal and, and I got a sense this one might be a little bit of a bigger overhaul. Yeah. Because they're not bad enough to get better by having that high draft pick like you're, you're kind of in the 20s and that could be no man's land if you're, you know, a 9 and 8, 10 and 17. Yeah. When you think of where they've had to draft now, they've traded up a couple of times to get up to 16 to get an offensive lineman. But when you Think about where they have had to draft and the consistent success five times in a postseason in the last six years. You know, they haven't been able to hit that home run with a number one pick. And to me, that's what makes every draft. I think their drafts have been solid, but they haven't had that Pro bowl elite type of player. And, you know, you have to go back to TJ Watt to find that guy. And I think that's where they need. And they know it. They know those first five picks, first eight picks are where you. First five, especially where you find those elite players. First 8 to 10 is where you find maybe the Pro bowl players. And then you keep your fingers crossed that maybe you land somebody, but they haven't had that guy. And that's what they need and they know it. That's what they need to go and try and do. Anybody untouchable on the roster, in your opinion? No, no. You know, I don't think I, you know, DK Metcalf is, I don't think, despite that suspension, what some people want to think he's coming back. Cam Heywood's going to be 37. But, you know, I will tell you, Dan, I don't think anybody is untouchable. Their right tackle, Troy Fontano, maybe some of their offensive linemen, but otherwise, any of the other guys? No. Thanks again. I know you're busy. We appreciate it. Well, I always enjoy being with you. Jerry Dulak covers the Steelers for the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, also part of the Steelers Radio Network. If Mike Tomlin does not take a job in the next two years, there's no compensation for the Steelers. He would be a free agent. And you know, keep in mind the Sean Payton situation. When he left the Saints and he ended up with the Broncos, the Broncos had to give up two picks for Sean Payton. Bruce Arians, Herm Edwards, John Gruden, Bill Belichick, Mike Holmgren, Bill Parcells. Those are the seven head coaches traded in NFL history. David in Ohio. Hi, David. Hey, David speaking. Hey, hey, Dan. Speaking of. Todd might like this one. Speaking of Steelers head coaches, I guess you could say that the Steelers, Chuck annulled from Mike Tomlin. Thank you. You can't approve of that, Todd. I can't. I want to because he gave me a little shout and he was trying to do the headline thing, but I think he can do better. Where is Pittsburgh, Dave? Dave in Arkansas joins us. I'm right here, Dan. I'm the newest member, I gotta say, for our newest member of the DDC oh, and almost the newest member of the one I see got hit in the face with a golf ball and nearly took out my left eye. So you were going to join Paulie on the one good I club. Great to have you. Almost happened. Condolences with the Dead Dad Club there, but you know, welcome to the club. Yes. Now as for Tomlin is concerned. I just think the time was right. I do believe this was totally his decision. There was no forcing of anything from the front office. So you know, it's in. I look at it as the next coach. Might be the last coach I watch. You know, the way they go with coaches, might be the last coach that I watch. I wouldn't mind. I mean they've a lot of talk has been Brian Flores, you know, do you make the call to Marcus Freeman? I could see that. Oh, I make the call, absolutely. I make the call with Marcus Freeman. I mean I, I, you're the Steelers, you know, you're one of the blue bloods there. But thank you, Dave, and once again, welcome to the Dead Dads Club. Curtis in Illinois. Hi, Curtis, what's on your mind? Morning, D.P. just calling in today. Everybody's going nuts over who's going to hire John Harbaugh and then this. If Tomlin decides he wants to coach again, there'd be probably just as long of a. But if you look back at NFL history, there's never been a coach that has won Super Bowls with multiple teams. So if you're hiring for a new coach, don't you just want that younger, hungry coach that has something to gain out of it? I would, because this is what everybody has been saying, man, you could bring in John Harbaugh, you could bring in Mike Tomlin. Well, if they couldn't get their team over the hump, what makes you think they can get your team over the hump? Yeah, Seaton. I think if you're following the Steelers history and track record, it's probably somebody more like Jesse Minter that makes the most sense. Defensive coordinator with the Chargers. He's the defensive coordinator. They like to hire defensive minded head coaches. And if right now the one thing you can build around is TJ Watt, bring in a guy who's in his early 40s that sort of follows a lot of the same things that the Steelers as an organization really likes. And Jerry Dulak was just saying you don't come in and bring in all of your people, you come in, assimilate into what is already existing. I don't know, I think that he probably makes A lot of sense. Yeah. Jesse Minter, I think is 41. Brian Flores probably is going to get a head coaching job. Might be with the Raiders, maybe. Maybe it's Pittsburgh. But back to what I was talking about, where you got John Harbaugh and Kevin Stefanski and Mike Tomlin, those are all marquee names, proven coaches, but there's a reason why they're not coaching their respective teams. They couldn't get them over the hump. Now it's different for Kevin Stefanski. He did not have the talent there that these other two coaches. John Harbaugh had a future hall of Fame quarterback. Mike Tomlin didn't have that for the latter part of his career. They were looking. They're still looking. Lamar Jackson. The Ravens chose Lamar Jackson over John Harbaugh. It feels like, like whoever's coaching is coming in and they're going to have to put Lamar Jackson in a better position to win. But that doesn't mean, if you're Atlanta or Arizona, the Giants, all of these openings, you'd be going, hey, that's an upgrade. That guy can help us be better. Because if I said, hey, I'm going to have you hire a guy who's going to have you in the playoffs the next 10 years, you're going to have a winning record the next 10 years, but you're going to roll the dice and chances are you won't win a playoff game. If you're Atlanta, would you sign up for that? If you're the Giants, would you sign up for that? The Browns, would you sign up for that? Arizona, would you? Tennessee, like, there's certain teams that their expectation, you know, the Steelers, it's about winning championships. The Patriots, you win championship. Even the Cowboys, who haven't done anything in 30 years, it's still winning championships. Arizona, it's just, let's be relevant, let's be competitive. The Giants, one of the blue bloods, they have not been good, not consistent. Atlanta, they've been a mess. So there's certain teams. Tennessee would take that, hey, 10 years, winning record, playoffs every single year. But you're not winning a playoff game. In Pittsburgh, that doesn't fly. In Baltimore, that doesn't fly. Yes, Marv. So if you're the Falcons or the Titans, would you say, hey, let's have a Tom Coffin like career where you only make the playoffs twice in 10 years, but you win Super Bowls, would you sign up for that? Yes, everybody would. The Steelers would sign up for that. Baltimore would sign up for that. It's sort of like the Florida Marlins, you know, like every five to six years it'd be like, I'll be damned. They won another World Series. Yes, Mark. So the year before you win the super bowl, you're on the hot seat. He might get fired, but let's win the super bowl instead. Nick Sirianni. And they fire their offensive coordinator. I feel bad for Jalen Hurts. He's had a new offensive coordinator every single year and he's going to have another one next year. And I believe if you look at his offensive coordinators at Alabama, he had a new one every single year. Greatness starts with stability. Who is my coach? Who's my offensive coordinator? Jalen Hurts has not had that. And maybe we'll see that. We haven't seen the best of Jalen Hurts because maybe there will be consistency there. But they hire offensive coordinators. It's, it is difficult to play the position to begin with. Then all of a sudden you got somebody else who's coming in now, new terminology, maybe a new mindset, maybe A.J. brown's not there. Saquon Barkley, a year old, like, you know, you got to start factoring these things in. And when we talk about the window, didn't it feel like that Eagles window is wide open, ready for a couple of Super Bowls? Winning a couple of Super Bowls, they got to two with this group. Now you wonder, it's like the Lions because everybody, you know, we have that same approach and they'll be back. There's no guarantees. No guarantees. Look at Kansas City, man, you got Mahomes, you got Kelsey, Andy Reid, until you're not going to have Mahomes for a little while, you may not have Kelsey. Now all of a sudden, Kansas City, third best team in their division. That's how quickly it happens. Baltimore's had a two time, probably should have been a three time MVP at quarterback and have nothing to show for it. Now I can put blame on him, but it just seems like that game plan always changed when they got to the postseason. So as much as we like to say, hey, that window is still open. It might be, but that's where it's open. But it, you put your fingers there and that, you know, window comes down on them. Yes, Marv. And the way the NFL is built, there's a new team every single year that comes out of nowhere and becomes a defender. A lot of the Houston Texans, well, there's usually three or four teams. I think we had all the divisional winners, weren't they? They've had a new divisional winner. 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Steals the movie at the end. Steals it. But it's an interesting movie. I didn't follow the storyline that well. I was trying to, but maybe when you watch it in three different increments, that happens. Kind of got to pick it up over and over again. It makes it a little trickier to get the movie. Yeah, I need a refresher there, you know, somebody to say, hey, by the way, this is what's happening here. Doesn't that really speak to the quality of Sean Penn's performance, though, that over three different sittings, you still thought he was great? Sean Penn was great. Yeah, he was. He was. It's incredible. Yeah. So I would. I would recommend the movie, but it's. It. You got it. You got to stay focused with it. So good. I really liked it. All righty. Update the poll results if you can. Seaton. By the way, the Steelers, in their last seven playoff losses, they. The average score is 37 to 22. So then you have an average offense and you have an overrated defense is what that tells me. You're giving up an average of 37, and you're scoring 22. You're not beating anybody. And I would have everybody up for grabs, including T.J. watt. I would just say, I'm going to open up the pantry. Come on in. What are you going to give me? I know they don't do rebuilds. Maybe you just call it a reload, but it's a rebuild there, because you got to find your quarterback. You got to start well, you got to find your coach, and then you got to find your quarterback. All right? Seon, what do you have next year Mike Tomlin will be a head coach in the media or on a beach playing Sudoku. Right now in the Media has about 65% of that vote followed by on the beach Joe in Orlando. Hi, Joe. What's on your mind? Good morning, fellas. Quick question, Dan. One thing we can ascertain from these playoffs is that you gotta have a good coach to be competitive. That being said, it seems to me the Raiders have two paths. They can get Mendoza, go try to find your next McConnell, your next McVeigh and that alleviates that revolving doors of OCS. Or do you go get a legitimate qualified Tomlin or football trade that first pick, trade Rosby, Crosby, get as much as you can and try to rebuild the entire organization. I don't want to trade that pick. If that's the quarterback and you do your due diligence and that is your quarterback and granted he might be the next Kirk Cousins, but if you're the Raiders, you'll take that. If I said he's the next Joe Flacco, you take that. I think we envision these quarterbacks and we go, man, he can be the next Mahomes, next Tom Brady. No, no, no. But can he be somebody who gives you something that's sustainable, that when he goes to the line of scrimmage or game on the line that you have confidence in him? I mean, the Raiders have been a poorly run organization. They're paying so many coaches. What are they paying? Three coaches, maybe four now who are you bringing in? Are you going to go on the cheap? Are you going to try to go for a big ticket item? I can't imagine John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin being interested in that job. They're about winning championships. The knock on them is they can't win playoff games there. You're not even getting into the playoffs. You know, Tennessee, I think is a great job for somebody, but not for those guys. They're about when I gotta show that I can win another Super Bowl. Not hey, I'm gonna have a winning record for the next five to seven years. So I didn't do anything to your legacy, if that's what you care about. But John Harbaugh, who I worked with the super bowl in Minnesota, I thought he was really good on tv. And nobody is brought up as John Harbaugh interested in doing tv. It feels like all of the all indications are he is going to be a head coach again and he has his pick of all of these jobs. He did not want to leave. The Ravens did him dirty by firing him. Saying they fired him. There was no mutual. Steelers might have fired Mike Tomlin. Right. They're going to keep it really, really quiet because their owner, even though he has a press conference today at noon, usually doesn't say too much. The Ravens owner. Steve's not afraid to get out there and say something, and he did. He said it was time to move on from John Harbaugh. Yeah, Paul, if you're the Steelers owner at noon today, do you take questions? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if an owner lies to me at a press conference, I'm not going to be shocked. If you say, was it a mutual party? Did you fire Mike Tomlin? If I'm ownership, I just say, no. No, we have great respect for him. You know, this is what he was. This is what he asked for with two years left on his contract. You know, sorry to see him go. Hall of Fame career, and we wish him the best. Yes, Marv. But they didn't say mutual parting. They just said Mike Thomas stepped down. Correct. Yeah. All right. Yeah. The Ravens didn't even give John Harbaugh that. That was dirty. 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