Hour 1 – Wemby the Ghost, Expanding the Bracket

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 1: Wemby the Ghost, Expanding the Bracket

Date: April 29, 2026
Main Theme:
This episode centers on two hot topics in basketball: the otherworldly impact of Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby") on the NBA, particularly with his ability to "discourage shots," and the NCAA’s forthcoming expansion of the men's and women's basketball tournaments to 76 teams. Dan Patrick and the crew deliver insights, opinions, and plenty of humor, also discussing the NBA’s convoluted new anti-tanking draft lottery proposal and the evolving landscape of college athletics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Victor Wembanyama: Defensive Phenomenon and “Shots Discouraged”

Timestamps: 02:10–09:10, 12:14–14:00

• Wemby as a Defensive “Ghost”

  • Dan pitches a new NBA stat: "shots discouraged," inspired by Wembanyama’s defensive dominance against Portland, who shot just 19% on his contested attempts.
  • “You think you’re open, and then all of a sudden you just see him fly by or come out of nowhere. Shots discouraged.” (Dan Patrick, 03:10)

• Comparison to NFL Defensive Stats

  • Dan likens “shots discouraged” to NFL hurries—sometimes more meaningful than sacks.

• Wemby’s Growth & Mentorship

  • Wembanyama worked out with Jamal Crawford to improve his handle, underlining his commitment to greatness.
  • “He wants to be MVP. He wanted to be Defensive Player of the Year…He is must-see TV.” (Dan Patrick, 05:03)

• Relating to Sam Darnold's “Seeing Ghosts”

  • Dan draws parallels between QBs “seeing ghosts” due to pressure and NBA offenses shaken by Wemby’s looming presence.

• Panel’s Wemby Fatigue

  • Todd/Fritzi: “It’s all been said…He’s a unicorn.” (12:24)
  • Marvin: “We’re seeing something we’ve never seen in our lifetime before. This is Ralph Sampson who can handle the basketball and play on the perimeter.” (12:55)

Notable Quote

“Wemby is a ghost. He’s there. I’m not sure where he is, but I know he’ll be here. And that’s what you saw in this Portland series.”
— Dan Patrick (04:46)

Memorable Moment

• The show jokes about running out of adjectives for Wemby, comparing him to legends like Michael Jordan and describing him as a "unicorn" and a "giraffe" (12:19–12:37).

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2. NBA Playoffs, Player Injuries, and Fandom

Timestamps: 05:30–09:12

• Joel Embiid’s “Reminder Game”

  • Dan marvels at Embiid’s perseverance and stats, even in a down year, and laments Boston's poor fourth quarter.

• Knicks’ Fan Traditions

  • The crew mocks Knicks fans’ over-the-top celebrations for first-round playoff wins.
  • “Are you that desperate to celebrate?” — Dan (09:13)

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3. NCAA Tournament Expansion to 76 Teams

Timestamps: 10:16–16:08, 23:43–28:25, 31:51–33:07

• Official Expansion News

  • Dan reports the NCAA will soon officially announce expansion to 76 teams for both men’s and women’s basketball tournaments.
  • “The one thing that I never, ever want to hear again is a coach complaining that they didn’t make the tournament. Not allowed to have that anymore.” (10:53)

• Poll Question Results

  • “Is expanding the NCAA tournament to 76 teams a good idea?”
    • 91% responded “It’s perfect as is.” (23:43)

• Field Expansion Pros/Cons

  • Dan, Paul, and the team express concern about diluting the uniqueness and quality of March Madness—worrying mid-majors may get left behind in "play-in" games, while big-conference bubble teams keep getting in.
  • “If you win your conference, you should make the tournament…don’t make [mid-majors] play a play-in game.” (24:13)

• The Value of the Cinderella Story

  • Dan fears tournament magic will be lost if expansion undercuts opportunities for smaller schools to break through.
  • “Cinderella story is Wofford or Miami of Ohio…that’s the fun part of it.” (28:25)

• Transfer Portal & Player Retention

  • The panel notes how the transfer portal has turned college rosters into “revolving doors,” making it harder for mid-majors to thrive long-term.

Notable Quotes

“Poll question: is expanding the tournament to 76 teams a good idea? Sure, the more the merrier…or no, it’s perfect the way it is. We actually didn’t even need the First Four.”
— Dylan (14:13)

“It’s like being invited to a party, but you have to stay on the doorstep and wait until somebody leaves and then you get to come in.”
— Dan Patrick, on “play-in” teams (25:12)

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4. NBA Draft Lottery Reform: Anti-Tanking, 3-2-1 Lottery, & Panel Confusion

Timestamps: 33:07–39:43

• Explaining the “3-2-1” Lottery

  • The crew struggles to decode the NBA’s complex anti-tanking draft reform.
  • The new system penalizes the worst teams (bottom three), giving them fewer lottery balls and a lower ceiling on picks, trying to discourage teams from losing intentionally.

• Audience Relatability

  • The team jokes about their confusion and C- grades in breaking down the system, with listeners finding comfort in their candor and “non-expert” approach.

Notable Quotes

“I would give us a C minus. All right. I would give us what we got when we were in school.”
— Dan Patrick (39:32)

“They had me at three balls.”
— Dylan (39:37)

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5. College Basketball’s Changing Landscape

Timestamps: 31:51–33:07, 44:54–51:07

• Coaching & Team Building in the NIL/Transfer Era
  • The crew discusses how top programs now build teams with transfers, chasing proven winners instead of high-risk freshman superstars.
  • “If I’m running a big time program, I’m just going to go around the country, I’m going to say I’m going to take you and you and you and you.” (33:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wemby’s Defensive Impact:
  “Shots discouraged…you could see guys like, this is where quarterbacks say that they see ghost, you know, or the pocket is getting muddy. And Sam Darnold famously said that, you know, he sees ghosts in the pocket. Like, Wemby is a ghost.” — Dan Patrick (04:03)

• On Expansion Fatigue:
  “They never move the clock back…let’s go back to 32 teams—that’s not happening.” — Dan Patrick (14:47)

• On NCAA Transfer Portal:
  “Almost half of men’s basketball teams this year were in the transfer portal…you’re a turnstile. It’s like revolving door. Come on in. How long you gonna stay?” — Dan Patrick (28:38)

• On College Basketball Star Power:
  “Potential gets you fired. I want a proven commodity.” — Dan Patrick (33:07)

• On the NBA Lottery Reform:
  “They expand the lottery…something called a relegation zone…bottom three teams penalized with fewer lottery balls…this is going to start with the 2027 draft…” — Dan Patrick (34:10)

• Meta Commentary:
  “I guess he’s complimenting us on being stupid, trying to figure out the lottery. And we still didn’t figure out the lottery.” — Dan Patrick (48:17)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:10] — Dan unveils the “shots discouraged” stat for Wemby
• [05:03] — Insight into Wemby’s offseason with Jamal Crawford
• [10:53] — NCAA Tournament expansion to 76 teams confirmed
• [12:55] — Wemby compared to Ralph Sampson, panel banter
• [13:29] — Wemby highlight from Spurs Radio Network
• [14:13 / 23:43] — NCAA expansion poll questions and results
• [25:12] — The “party on the doorstep” metaphor for play-in teams
• [33:07] — Discussion on building rosters through transfers
• [34:10] — Attempt at explaining the new NBA lottery system
• [39:32] — The panel awards themselves a C- grade for confusion
• [48:17] — Listener calls in to praise the show's relatability

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Flow & Tone

The episode balances Dan’s insightful sports analysis and stats invention (“shots discouraged”) with the fun, self-deprecating banter of the crew, who openly admit confusion over the NBA’s increasingly complex rules and reforms. It’s fast-paced, conversational, and peppered with running gags (“unicorn,” “morons/Maroons”), insider asides, and audience participation through poll questions and calls.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

If you missed this hour, Dan Patrick’s show offered an engaging blend of sports insight and relatable humor as they marveled at Victor Wembanyama’s unique NBA skill set while critiquing NCAA tournament bloat and the future of college and pro basketball. The crew’s struggle to comprehend the NBA’s lottery changes provided both laughs and a reality check on the evolving complexity of the sports world, while fan calls and panel banter added a personal, community-driven vibe.

Transcript

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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour one on this Wednesday. Everybody's here. Everybody's in the sandbox. The Minister of humor, Fritzi is here, annoying everybody around the building. You're doing a great job, Fritz. He's always looking for an audience. And so he'll go from room to room. And we got people who are working in the back. We're building out a new podcast area. So there's construction going on. He's talking to people. They're not even listening. They're hammering. You know, they're bringing in pieces of plywood, and Todd's looking for an audience.

[Todd]

You follow behind, scolding.

[Dan Patrick]

They have work to do. I do.

[Todd]

You can't try out your material with them. They have things to do for the show.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, so Fritzi is here. You got Dylan here, Marvin Paulie, yours truly, and of course, the back room guys. Stat of the day is always brought to you by panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Good morning. If you're watching this program, you can watch it on Peacock. Also, NBC sports network first hour brought to you by Dude. Dude wipes. Wetter is better available at Amazon and major retailers nationwide. Dude wipes. Best clean. Pants down. Pull Question Play of the day. Stat of the day forthcoming. I would like to announce this to the commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver. I need to come up with a new category, a new stat. It's called shots discouraged. South Dakota, No T S D Shots Discovery discouraged. Victor Wembanyama. I think Portland shot 19% on the shots that Wembanyama contested in this series. That's where you go and you do a pick and roll, and all of a sudden you think you're open, and then all of a sudden you just see him fly by or come out of nowhere. Shots discouraged. This is kind of like hurries. You know, I talk about Max Crosby sacks. Not as important to me as hurries are because you can hurry a variety of throws and you could, you know, out of that, you could get interceptions and completions. Now, yes, bringing the quarterback down a sack, I think we get caught up on that number as opposed to how many times are you getting near the quarterback, speeding up his process? And Max Crosby is maybe the best at doing that. But with Wemby shots discouraged. Now, we did try receiver caused interception rci, where the receiver is the one who caused the interception. That didn't catch on. So maybe shots discouraged With Victor Wembanyama. I'm letting the commissioner know, as I've let him know about a couple other things. You know, Positionless.Positionless. all NBA teams, the 65 games minimum if you're going to qualify for postseason awards. Now, everybody loved that you didn't have to play a particular position. The five best players are on the first team and such and such. Second and third the 65 games. There's been some pushback, and I'll take the blame on that because we can change the lottery. And they're changing the lottery again. Load management is the big issue, not the lottery. It's load management. I don't know if there's a solution to that. And next time we have the commissioner on. I mean, I. I get it. You want to have teams stop tanking, but I need players who want to play. And I'll go back to Victor Wembanyama. Like, he wants to be great. He wants to be mvp. He wanted to be defensive player of the year. You know what he did in the off season last year? He worked out with one of our guests today, Jamal Crawford, who, in the pantheon of great ball handlers in the history of the NBA, his name is in that conversation. So Wemby worked out with Jamal Crawford to work on his handle. Amazing. And he's just getting to the point where he's figuring out where to be on the court. Offensively, defensively, he's already there. But shots discouraged in the Portland series. And you could see guys like, this is where quarterbacks say that they see ghost, you know, or the pocket is getting muddy. And Sam Darnold famously said that, you know, he sees ghosts in the pocket. Like, Wemby is a ghost. He's. He's there. I'm not sure where he is, but I know he'll be here. And that's what you saw in this Portland series. It was fun. Fun to watch. He is must see tv. There is no other player I'd rather watch than Wemby. Now, there's other, you know, when Steph is at his peak. Steph was wonderful. There's so many, you know, great players. Even Joel Embiid last night. I'm all fired up this morning. I got to slow down a little bit. I'm watching Embiid last night, and it was a reminder game, because I kept watching and going, okay, Boston okay, Boston, okay. Oh, and then the fourth quarter, they were horrible. But Joel Embiid, you keep in mind, the first two years, he didn't play, had a bad back, and really, his college career was spotty because of injuries. But this was supposed to be the process. Could have been a bust. And, you know, his career will be tricky when it's over. When we look back and you go, I did win an mvp. It didn't win a title, but the numbers are there. Like, you'd think he's a bum. And he's averaging what, 27, I don't know, 8 and 4, something like that. I mean, it is a down year for him. And you could see, really, he's almost hunched over on the floor. He can't jump. Still has great touch and great feel for the game. But you're watching last night, and I just thought, man, I don't know how he's doing it, but when he's on the floor, he can still be a difference. Now, Philadelphia, you know, I love me some ma. Tyrese Maxi loved him coming out. Edgam, I think, is a good draft pick. The Paul George. Paul George is fun to see. I. I mean, I don't want him on my team, but I, you know, he does have a beautiful jump shot. But I'm watching and I go, okay, Philly has some talent here. It's just Paul George is not Paul George. And Joel Embiid is not Joel Embiid because of injuries. But you're watching that game last night, and I love Boston to come out of the East. I kept thinking, man, you can't have these kind of nights. And they had a horrible fourth quarter, certainly from three point range. So I'm watching a lot of the NBA last night, and boy, hey, let's go out to 7th Avenue and take off our shirts and celebrate because we beat the Hawks.

[Marvin]

We're up three, two in the first round.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. Nick's in six. Nick's in six. I'm going. Come on. Are you that desperate to celebrate?

[Marvin]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Come on, let's go. Let's take off our shirt. Yes. Marvin.

[Marvin]

Dp. They are going. Working in Knicks game in the playoffs is just one of those, man. Let's just see how bad they overreact to a win against the Pacers in game two of the Eastern Conference finals.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, I know. Well, Eastern Conference finals. I'm okay celebrating. We're in the first round, aren't we?

[Marvin]

Yeah, but now this is a tradition because they've been good for about 36 months. So every single first round, we won Boston.

[Dan Patrick]

No, you don't.

[Marvin]

No, you don't.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's go outside and take off our shirts. We beat the Hawks at home. Yes. Paul.

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They got rid of Tibbs last year. They were 51 and 31 lost in the Eastern Conference finals. They have two more regular season wins this year. They don't feel as threatening, but they're doing. They're doing pretty well. It's a good feeling down there.

[Dan Patrick]

Jamal Crawford will join us coming up next hour. Albert Brear, the Monday morning quarterback will join us. There's some football items to talk to him about. I saw where Russell Wilson, maybe the Jets. I'm like, hasn't he suffered enough? And we're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers to show up. Feels like that's a foregone conclusion. Speaking of which, the NCAA is going to make it official in a couple of weeks. They're going to 76 teams for the men's and the women's teams. And the one thing that I never, ever want to hear again is a coach complaining that they didn't make the tournament. Not allowed to have that anymore. Can't say it. 76 teams. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

Team 77 is going to be on fire next season.

[Dan Patrick]

Not allowed.

[Marvin]

We were 19 and 15.

[Dan Patrick]

Not allowed.

[Marvin]

We had tier one wins and they

[Dan Patrick]

expanded like I told you they were going to. They just add games on Tuesday and Wednesday. You're going to have a site, Dayton, Ohio, again. And then you'll have what I'm told will be a West coast site as well. Working on the travel, trying to cut down the travel. If you win your game on Tuesday, you have to play on Thursday, Wednesday, Friday. So they want to try to help out with travel there. But, yes, nobody wanted it. But we got it. 70. You know who wants it? Coaches. Coaches want it. Conferences want this. That's where you can brag. And the Big Ten can say, we got nine teams in the sec. We got all of our teams. March Madness here. Here's the problem. I have. You know what? I'm going to save it. I'm going to save it. I have that for you coming up, man. I'm wound up today. I am wound up. Ready to go. I don't know what it was. Maybe it was. Wemby does that to me, you know? Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

Much to Todd chagrin. He's not big on the Wemby coverage.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I know, I know. No, no. Go sit. You say something. I have nothing to say. He's amazing.

[Todd]

He's a unicorn.

[Dan Patrick]

He's like.

[Todd]

It's all been said.

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[Todd]

And all. Now all you could do is just keep reiterating all the different adjectives that

[Dan Patrick]

have been okay, but did you ever say that about Michael Jordan? Everything's been said.

[Todd]

Because that was more in my era, when I was younger. That's. We all have our little biases, but

[Dan Patrick]

Wemby is getting better. He's 22. He's getting better. We ran out of things. How to describe Mike? When I would do highlights, I'd be Like, I. I don't know what adjectives to put in here. Yes. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

Yeah, Fritzi. We're seeing something we've never seen in our lifetime before. This is Ralph Sampson, who can handle the basketball and play on the perimeter.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd's not watching this.

[Todd]

It's very freakish.

[Dan Patrick]

You don't do all those things. Thank you, Todd. Yes, Paul.

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But you know, certain players, they develop their games and they change. You remember early Jordan was attack the hoop, get fouled, dunk on people. But then six years later, he became a low post killer and protected himself. Wemby. He averaged nine threes attempted last year. He's down to five and a half this year. He's brought his game more inside. He's altered his game.

[Dan Patrick]

Here is the spurs radio network last night with a highlight. Drew Holiday brings it back up the floor. Hands it back to Monica Mara. Attacking, goes up on.

[Todd]

Wait. Minyama meets him with the block. That's his six. And then Kamara throws it off the underside of the basket.

[Dan Patrick]

Out of bounds.

[Todd]

What can he not do? He is out of this world.

[Dan Patrick]

Spurs radio network. There you go, Todd.

[Todd]

He's out of this world. What can he not do? He's not human.

[Dan Patrick]

I said he's not. 8, 7, 7, 3 DP show operator Tyler sitting by, doing nothing except for answering your phone calls and petting my dog. Poll question, will. Do you have one right now?

[Dylan]

I do, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Dylan]

Off the NCAA tournament expansion. Is expanding the tournament to 76 teams a good idea? Sure. The more the merrier.

[Dan Patrick]

Or.

[Dylan]

No, it's perfect the way it is. We actually didn't even need the first four. That was Todd's. Todd's verbiage.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I just don't know if anybody was saying, we need this. Now I know that in college football, okay, we went from 4 to 12. And I said, in my lifetime, I'm good. Well, they realized how much money. Everybody's excited about it now. We're gonna go to 16, then we'll go to 24. When we get to 24, it'll still be interesting. Very profitable. I just worry because these leagues, they never, you know, relegate, they never move the clock back. They never. Let's go back to 32 teams. That's not happening. You know, NBA gave us the play in game. Baseball's added more playoff spots. I mean, every, every league is adding more. Like if you can't make playoffs in hockey, it's like you should be fired half the league. Make the playoffs. The, the exclusivity, that's Attached to this is long gone, so I understand it, but I think that there can be that. Boy, we're. We're teetering on the brink here of watering down the regular season. Everybody's going to make the tournament. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

And that could be arguments for why coaches don't want extra teams. Because you couldn't make it with that many teams in the field. You should definitely lose your job and as opposed to, well, all these teams. I'll definitely get one of those spots.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. All right, so we'll come up with a poll question a little bit more. With March Madness expanding, they're going to make. Now the paper is signed. From what I'm told, probably two to three weeks down the road, they'll make this official. But it is happening. A lot of reports on this. Yes, Paul.

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You know, on Selection Sunday, they would show a team and they show the different coaches. What if you're shown and you don't make it? Your coach has walked right out of the building. He gets fired on cbs national tv. Like the old days of Hard Knocks.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. I mean, it's reality tv. They never show reality on reality tv. That's what disappoints me. You know, when the Kardashians go through all of their messes. We never get to see those messes, though. It's like it's always homogenized. Yes, Dylan, you're telling me the Secret

[Dylan]

Lives of Mormon Wives isn't actually that secret?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think so. I didn't know that. There's the Housewives of Rhode Island.

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[Dan Patrick]

What?

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Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Who asked for the Housewives of Rhode Island?

[Marvin]

No.

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Small state. A lot of drama.

[Dylan]

That is true. Everyone in Rhode island does know each other.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I didn't. Somebody said that to me, and I laughed. I thought they were joking. And then I realized there's the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

What's old is Newport again, I guess.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you. Yes, Paul.

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The Real Housewives of Delaware next year, Dan? Not actually.

[Caller]

Not yet.

[Dan Patrick]

Why? I wouldn't. I mean, why not?

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There's drama in Delaware.

[Dan Patrick]

There's drama everywhere, but you create the drama. It's like, all right, you got to get mad at her. And then you, you know, you know, knock over some glasses and, you know, turn over the table. Okay. And action. That's your reality.

[Dylan]

They do always seem to have a glass of something in there. It's 9am you're drinking wine again.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, there's certain shows that they do encourage you to drink. Yeah.

[Dylan]

What was it, love? Is blind, I think. Yeah, they're drinking all the time.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I remember I was on Jimmy Kimmel's show years and years and years ago. He had an open bar and, you know, people were, you were encouraged to drink and then they eventually got rid of the bar. But I, I remember it's like, all right, sure, I'll have a beer before I go out there. All right. Let me take a break. Just getting started here. Did I tell you how great Wemby was last night? Todd?

[Todd]

He's not human. He does things no one else out of this world. I think he's a unicorn. You might want to use that word out of this. I think it's a unicorn.

[Dylan]

A giraffe.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's take a break. Poll question a little bit more on the March Madness expansion. Jamal Crawford later on and Albert Brear, the Monday morning quarterback. Phone calls are welcome as well. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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[Dan Patrick]

Fergusonhome.com play the day coming up we'll settle on a poll question. Dylan, let's start there.

[Dylan]

Well, we got up so far Dan. Is expanding the NCAA tournament to 76 teams a good idea? 91 think it's perfect just the way it is.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Dylan]

We also have will college coaches on the outside looking in of the 676 team field be still Christ snubbed. Of course they will. Or nope the days of whining you got jobbed are now over.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep. Can't say that you know we should have been in there. You know your bubble teams, it's a thing of the past.

[Dylan]

They will though. They'll still.

[Dan Patrick]

They will, they will. This is what I worry about. If you win your conference now let's say you're wofford or throw out a smaller school, Miami Ohio winning the Mac, you should be in the 64 team field. I don't, I want these other schools that didn't win their conference that they're going to be playing on Tuesday and Wednesday like show a little respect to these teams that were great from start to finish. Now you can say well their competition not the same as the SEC or Big Ten. I understand that but I, I, I just don't want to lose sight of this. You know the smaller schools the, the mid majors give them something don't, don't make them play a play in game or the first, you know, whatever we're calling it. Let them make the 64 team field or 68 team but have the other teams, other schools they do Tuesday and Wednesday. Yes Paul.

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And that's what happened with the first four this year. It was Howard, 16 seed UMBC, Prairie View, a and M, Lehigh, Miami of Ohio, all those teams that you just

[Dan Patrick]

talked about if you win your conference you should make the tournament. And, and I'm not talking about you know, the 76 team field you should make. You know when we fill out our brackets your name Is there on the bracket? Not something that we had to write in because you won on Tuesday or you won on Wednesday. If you're going to expand, I understand this NCAA making money needs to make money. You know, you got lawsuits, nil lawsuits. Like, you know, they. They need kind of a shovel full of cash there in reserve, which sounds strange to say that, but, you know, when you look at all the conferences and schools making the money, NCAA still has to make money. And you add eight more teams, 10 more teams, whatever it's going to be. As long as you keep them on Tuesday and Wednesday, you're going to have two sites, two neutral sites, and then you're going to play those games. We start, you know, the tournament starts on Thursday anyway. Like, I don't know how many people fill out their brackets before Tuesday or Wednesday. I don't. And there is a kind of an exhibition feeling to the games on Tuesday and Wednesday, and it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way it is. They position them to play into the tournament. The NCAA labeled it. You're playing into the tournament like you're almost there. It's kind of like being invited to a party, but you have to stay on the doorstep and wait till somebody leaves and then you get to come in. But you're going to expand. But make sure we take care of the mid majors, you know, don't have them like picking up scraps, going, ah, we get to play on Tuesday to then play on Thursday, maybe. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, how small are we gonna have to make the font or the lettering as we add more and more teams so that you can print out a bracket and it stays on one sheet? It's starting to get close to that.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, confusion there and growth is inevitable. But every league eventually has to decide about expansion. Is it worth. You have the quantity, but I worry about the quality. With all of these different leagues, you're going to add, add, add, and at some point it subtracts from really what this is all about. And I love playoff competition. It's. It's great in all sports. I just don't want to have too many teams in there. Yeah. Pauling.

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But it feels like these. Every league and every network is looking for more space on the calendar to place live events.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

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And it's like the NCAA and the conferences found a loophole. We can keep the 64 do this funky play in game first four on Tuesday and Wednesday and we don't upset the traditional 64 apple cart. And hey, we could just put more games in the afternoon or at night and not really mess with everyone's tradition of 64.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I don't know if anybody's going to be out on the streets protesting because we'll watch it. I just, I want it to be special and maybe it's, it's special proof just because we watch. There's always going to be a player. There's always going to be a team. There's always magic, always. And ratings were up this year. I think that will. The one thing that we are, are going to lose is that Cinderella story. It feels like I don't think Tennessee in a play in game on a Tuesday and then winning a couple of games is a Cinderella story. Cinderella story. Is Wofford or Miami Ohio a school or schools where you don't know where they are? Well, you know, Miami is in Ohio, but then they get confused for Miami Florida. But you know, you get these other schools and I think that's the fun part of it. You get to see a player that you never thought you would see. Like, you know, Steph Curry at Davidson. Like that's the magic. And I hope that we always try to ensure that we have that. And do I want to have Cinderella stories? I do. And it plays out because Cinderella story. You might win two games and really think of the exposure that these schools get. You went on Thursday and you went on Saturday. Then you don't play until the following week. You get all of that coverage and it that is invaluable to a school. And I think that's the fun part of it where you get some exposure. Their coach gets interviewed on SportsCenter, your star player. That's great, great for the smaller schools because I do think we're going to get to the point, I said this a couple of weeks ago, that we're going to look at mid majors like junior colleges. If you're a player and you're going there for two years, is somebody interested in me that's in the SEC or the Big Ten or Big 12 ACC. So I got two years to kind of get on the, the radar of some of the bigger schools. And if I was a coach I would be viewing it as I hopefully get you for two years and then you're probably going to, you know, get in the transfer portal. The fact that almost half of men's basketball teams this year were in the transfer portal should tell you everything you need to know. This is just, you know, you're a turnstile. It's like revolving door. Come on in. How long you Gonna stay. Can we get one more spin on the revolving. No, you're gone. That's what it's become. And you got these kids who are staying in college longer because you can make more money. And it feels like the rich are going to get richer here because Kentucky can get kids coming in, but you still get Kentucky boosters to pay you to stay a little while longer. Duke, I mean, the blue bloods are going to be able to. They're going to pick and choose from the smaller schools. I wouldn't. I wouldn't recruit. I wouldn't take a high school kid. I'd be like, give me somebody who's a proven commodity. I mean, I might miss out on AJ DeBancer. But that's okay. I mean, he's great. But it's one and done at BYU. Yes. Marv. Yeah.

[Marvin]

You've seen what UConn and Michigan have done the past few years, where you might get a really good high school ball player, but the rest of your team, they're 22, 23 years old, and. And they're transfer guys from other schools. So that might be the play.

[Dan Patrick]

And when I talked to Danny Hurley when the season ended, he said, yeah, that's kind of what they do. They look for that one. McDonald's All American, and then you're going to get guys transferring in. Michigan had an entire roster. Illinois, like, now, there's some coaches who don't like this at all. They don't think that these players should be eligible to come over to the United States. But it just feels like the doors are open, man. Like, you know, I always go back to the scene where Kevin Bacon in Animal House and he's telling everybody to stop. You know, they. They. They squish him. That's what it feels like is happening with the ncaa. Hey, hold on. No, too late. Yeah. Paulie.

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It's interesting, too, because a guy like AJ DeBancer by being a top three pick, BYU can't match that. But if you're like the 20th pick of the draft or 25th, you could be afforded. You could be like Mullins from UConn.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

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If he was top five, he's gone.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

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But if you're in that next tier, pass a lottery, they could afford to keep you.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you say, hey, why don't you stay? Why don't you show that you can be the man? Which is what I would want from this kid. I want to see if you can carry the load every single night. Because there are games where he disappeared. And then there are games where you go, man, that guy's first round draft pick. I know that we draft on potential. Potential gets you fired. I want to proven commodity. And that's why if I'm running a big time program, I'm just going to go around the country, I'm going to say I'm going to take you and you and you and you. And then we might have a couple of recruits coming in and then maybe some holdovers. That would be my approach because I want a larger sample size than man, your highlight. High school highlight tape looked awesome. My high school highlight tape looked awesome. It didn't quite pan out for me, but it's like, you know, they don't show any negative plays in your high school highlight tape. That'd be great if they did, you know, give you a truer sense of what you're getting. The NBA has disclosed to its 30 general managers a new anti tanking draft reform and it's termed the 321 lottery. Okay, I've read I wasn't a great student. I didn't do well on the act. I'm not doing well on this lottery of trying to figure it out. They're expanding the lottery. Yes. To 16 teams and then they're flattening the odds. There's something called a relegation zone. That's where the bottom three teams are penalized with fewer lottery balls for the number one pick. This is going to start with the 2027 draft according to the mothership. Paul, you've read it a couple of times.

[Todd]

Why me?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm a C student. I know.

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I'll take a shot. Okay, if I were describing this new lottery proposal, it's to discourage extreme tanking. Once you're like below 500 and there's two months left in the season getting worse makes your chances worse to get the number one.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but the difference between tanking and extreme tanking is what?

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Utah. Oh, Utah or the Washington Wizards, where you know you're not making the playoffs. So we start shutting down players so we lose as many players, as many games as we can to have the best odds.

[Dan Patrick]

Did the Wizards start tanking opening night like they're not a good team, but. But they're not tanking. They're just not a good team.

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The wizards have lost 10 of their last 10 so they're right on track to improve their chances to get a top four pick.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

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In this new system, they would be penalized for being extremely bad. And a team like say the Chicago Bulls have 31 wins. They would actually be in better shape than the Wizards with 17 wins because they played better after they were out of it.

[Dan Patrick]

But isn't it the top three teams?

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Oh, boy.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. See, I. Once again, I debated going into this topic because I didn't want to confuse. Does Marvin. Did you understand?

[Marvin]

Oh, I'm sorry. I was a C minus student, so I'm really not equipped.

[Dan Patrick]

So the 3, 2, 1 lottery represents the number of lottery balls per team. Okay. Teams that do not qualify for the playoffs or the play in tournament, but stay out of the relegation zone.

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[Dan Patrick]

Which is four through ten. See, I apologize. You know.

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And you're reading verbatim.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Teams With a bottom three record, the relegation area would have two lottery balls but have a floor of the number 12 pick. The rest of the 13 lottery teams could fall as far as the number 16 pick.

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Okay, so the mentality there is the absolute worst teams in the league with a month left are encouraged to play better to get out of that relegation zone. Yes, I think.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Well, I've said for the last couple of years, reward the teams when you're eliminated from the postseason. The number of wins you have after you've been eliminated that you're still playing hard. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, this reads kind of like what Wall street does where they make very basic terms sound overly complicated to confuse you, like margin and leverage and stuff. I'm reading and I'm like. I don't know if they just want everyone to be like. Well, it sounds like they know what they're doing.

[Dan Patrick]

We're good. Yes.

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Paul, this new system would reward the number nine and ten seeds. You know, those teams that are nine and ten and they play in those play in games. You would have a better chance if you lose those games to get a better draft pick in the lottery.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, wait a minute. I thought they said. Oh, boy. That something. Something about the play. If you're in the play in. Yeah, but then you're not in the lottery.

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No, you are in this new system. The number 9 and 10 seeds in each conference would receive two lottery balls. And the losers of the 7 and

[Dan Patrick]

8 teams that do not qualify for the playoffs or play in tournament but stay out of the relegations. Okay. Okay. If you're in the play in. Yeah. Then you're not in the lottery.

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No, the opposite. If you're in the play in and lose early in the play in initially and you're so basically the back half of the season, the bottom 10 teams will be encouraged to battle for the play in spots.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, back to you. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

But it doesn't speak to the teams that are genuinely sucky. Like, we're trying, we're trying. We're not taking. We're just bad. And so, like, I feel like those teams are getting punished a little bit so they can help us out a little bit. We're not a part of the group of teams that are looking to purposely lose.

[Dan Patrick]

But how do you know that?

[Todd]

That's where it's tricky.

[Dan Patrick]

I know that's part of the problem here is I like Washington. Are they just inept? Are they trying to be inept? Yeah. Paul, how do you think we did

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the past five minutes?

[Dan Patrick]

Not good.

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Explain to America.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what? I would give us a C minus. All right. I would give us what we got when we were in school.

[Todd]

That's generous.

[Dylan]

They had me at three balls.

[Dan Patrick]

How about we take a break? Play of the day. Up next, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live at the

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[Todd]

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[Todd]

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[Caller]

Hey, dp, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, I was just calling, you know, with the expansion there, and I think if you have like an ie like Miami Ohio this past year, some of the coaches could have a valid argument because we all know that this expansion is going to end up being a 500 sec school over a mid major that actually kind of deserves it and could have some March Madness there. So, yeah, I think at that point is really the only complaints I could see as valid.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But that's why if you win your conference, how about you get to make the tournament? If you don't win your conference, then you might be playing on a Tuesday or Wednesday. Aw. In Virginia.

[Caller]

Awesome. 190. How you doing, Dan?

[Dan Patrick]

I got a problem.

[Caller]

I wanted Marvin to know that Ralph Sanson had a handle.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay.

[Caller]

He could dribble the basketball from one into the floor to the other. I watched him do it in high school.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, I'll let Marvin know. Ralph Sampson had a handle.

[Marvin]

The more you know.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, all right.

[Marvin]

No, but I'm just saying, just on a regular basis. But he seemed like more of a post player.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, back then you were supposed to be a.

[Marvin]

Right. Exactly.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah. They were like, get down low. Now they expect you to be out on the perimeter. Yeah, Paul, but don't you think the

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coverage of Wemby the past three years has given a little light on Ralph Sampson's career that people may have forgotten about him because he was the first guy to be like this, out more of an outside in seven plus footer.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Sean Bradley had the potential to do that as well. He had a nice touch, nice jumper. Another guy was 747576. And you don't realize how big that is. I mean, it sounds tall until you stand next to somebody. I stood next to Mark Eaton and I Was like, that is one of maybe the biggest guy. Biggest man I've ever stood next to. And then I stood next to Yao Ming. And I go, that is the biggest man on the planet. Because people go, oh, Shaq's bigger. I said, no, look at the pictures when Shaq is standing next to Yao Ming. Yao Ming is the largest man on the planet. David in Arkansas. Hi, David. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Good morning, gentlemen. I just had a comment about the tournament expansion y' all were talking about. You know, remember once upon a time, the NIT was depressed. Each tournament. Because they took all the regular season conference winners in. The NCAA was having to take the automatic qualifier. So, of course, the NCAA expands. Now they get everybody. So those regular season winners. Yes. They are the ones who truly, truly deserve to be in the tournament. And I just can't deal with the automatic qualifying thing. Edging out some of those teams that truly, truly deserve it. And I will also say that segment about the NBA and the tanking. Is one reason I really, really enj. Enjoy your show. That was just hilarious listening to you guys do that. I'm sitting here at work. I don't tell my director. And I just. That was wonderful. Thank you, gentlemen, and have a good day.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, thank you, David. I guess he's complimenting on us being stupid. Trying to figure out the lottery. And we still didn't figure out the lottery. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

I think stupid is relatable, you know.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. More people can relate to stupid instead of intelligence.

[Dylan]

There's more stupid people than smart people out there.

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Yes, Paul, you can call us not smart. I don't think stupid is necessary. We're in the not smart category.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, then I. I'm sorry I labeled us stupid.

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Yeah, somewhere above that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

The NBA was just giving us a big word, Sally.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, I know. I would like to have the commissioner on and say you explain this. Okay. Do you know. Can you. I'm gonna guess. The commissioner went. He strikes me as nyu. Then maybe got his MBA from Columbia or something like that. Yes, Paul, it's.

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It's even better than that. He. He attended Duke.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, that's right.

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Yeah. And then he went to University of Chicago Law School. Which is like, galactic.

[Dan Patrick]

I know. Geez.

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He is a smart guy.

[Dan Patrick]

University of Chicago got a nice campus.

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It does. It's on the south side. It's gorgeous and old school. The neighborhood's actually getting quite better. Right by the water. Not far from the water, but it's in an area that's not like tourist friendly historically in Chicago, but it's a gorgeous campus and one of the top five schools in the country.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, it is. It's very difficult to get into.

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It's a kind of school where you go to study and be really successful.

[Dan Patrick]

Yuck.

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They do have a football squad though.

[Dan Patrick]

They do?

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Yeah. They, they had football like a hundred years ago.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, no, they had the first Heisman winner, Jay Burwanger. Yeah. Went to University of Chicago.

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Yeah, the Burwanger. And then they brought back football. I think they're the Maroons.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe 20 years ago we would be the morons. Right. See what I did with that, Todd? Thank you. Thank you.

[Todd]

Nicely done.

[Dan Patrick]

Ben in Milwaukee. Hi, Ben. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Good morning, gentlemen. First comment, what he was talking about is you were entertaining. You had the conversation we have that we can't figure it out. You usually do. The fact you were us today. Beautiful. Two comments about basketball. Do you think it's possible some coach with a great program say, Duke says you can come here, you're going to sign a four year contract, you're going to stay, you aren't going to transfer, you're not going to the NBA, you're signing a contract to play four years

[Dan Patrick]

or you're not coming here, they'll sign elsewhere.

[Caller]

Yeah, but if you really want to be on that great team, I don't think it is. But the teams aren't losing all the control that may give it the 76 number after. Have we ever had a top, a team, a team in the bottom four, lower than 48, be our champ? No. So this is just ridiculous. They want it to be quality. It's 48 like.

[Dan Patrick]

And you know you're going to have kids. These, all these kids think they can play next level. They do. I thought I could. I still think I can. No, they're, they're not going to go to Duke and say, I'm going to go four years and I'm going to stay four years. Like you can't, you can't. You know, these contracts are year, you know, each year and then renewed. But no, you're not going to go and have them say you can't go to the NBA or go to another school. We'll talk some hoops. Jamal Crawford will join us coming up. Hour two on the way after this

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