Hour 2 – 0-2 vs. 2-0, Gary Myers

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2 (September 16, 2025)

Main Theme:
This episode focuses on the ongoing NFL season, with deep dives into quarterback performances, playoff prospects, and—most notably—a wide-ranging interview with Gary Myers, author of the new book “Brady vs. Belichick: The Dynasty Debate.” The discussion features the conflict of interest surrounding Tom Brady’s dual role as a broadcaster and Raiders minority owner, the dynamics of the Patriots’ dynasty, and the intricacies of the Brady-Belichick relationship. As always, Dan and the Danettes add perspective, humor, and lively audience interactions.

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Key Topics & Discussion Breakdown

NFL Playoff Prospects and Quarterback Clutch

• Poll Question Discussion (05:05–06:25)

  • Who’s more “Super Bowlish”: Buccaneers (led by Baker Mayfield) or Chargers?

  • Chargers carry 67% of the vote, to Dan’s surprise. Dan notes Tampa’s easier path and consistency.

  • Tampa opens season 2-0 for a fifth straight year, longest current streak (06:10):

    “Fifth consecutive year Tampa’s opened up the season two and oh — longest active streak in the NFL.”
    — Dan Patrick [06:10]

• AFC Playoff Teams Poll (06:25–06:39)

  • Bills, Chargers, Bengals, Colts—who won’t make it? Dan leans Bengals, calls Colts sneaky playoff material.

Tom Brady as Broadcaster & Owner: Conflict of Interest Debate

• Brady’s Booth Controversy (09:20–10:33; 26:05–27:58)

  • Discussion on Tom Brady sitting in the coach’s booth for the Raiders despite broadcasting for Fox.

  • Dan worries about competitive advantage and teams’ willingness to share info in production meetings:

    "I just can't imagine if I'm Ben Johnson and I'm the Bears head coach ... Tom is going to be calling our game this week. How forthcoming am I going to be?"
    — Dan Patrick [09:35]

  • Guest Gary Myers strongly criticizes this arrangement:

    “This is just a horrible, horrible look for the NFL, and they need to do something about it.”
    — Gary Myers [26:05]

Audience Interactions

• Caller: Baker Mayfield as Clutch QB (12:46–13:18)

  • Question: Is anyone more clutch than Baker Mayfield?
  • Dan: Still gives edge to Patrick Mahomes, but praises Baker’s perseverance and grit.

• Kicker Salary Game (14:39–15:57)

  • Paulie quizzes the room on highest-paid NFL kickers.
  • Harrison Butker is tops at $6.4 million.

• NFL Schedule / All-Star Break Idea (16:11–17:18)

  • Caller suggests NFL All-Star week for player rest and TV content. Dan doubts owners would give up a Sunday.

• Lions Game Recap and Player Antics (18:04–18:59)

  • Caller recounts Lions WR Isaac Tesla’s “fake hamstring” celebration and clutch catches; Dan jokes about being too old for fake injuries.

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Interview Segment: Gary Myers on "Brady vs. Belichick"

[26:05–39:36]

Brady as Owner and Fox Broadcaster

• Myers: Brady’s in-booth presence is a clear conflict. Appearing publically in the coach's booth with headphones was “bad judgment.”

  “Tom should have known better than to be so public last night to be sitting in the booth with the headphones on … What a horrible conflict of interest.”
  — Gary Myers [26:42]

Patriots Dynasty: Who Was More Important?

• Myers divides dynasty into phases:

  • Early: Belichick’s defense/running game led; first Super Bowl win was “all Belichick.”

  • Turning Point: 2007 season, Brady’s 50 TDs marked a shift—he became the dynasty’s engine.

  • Conclusion: First half: Belichick’s imprint; second half: “almost entirely Brady.” Gap is less because of Bill’s early role, but he gives the edge to Brady in the later years.

    “The turning point of it was in the ‘07 season … I think the second half of the dynasty … was almost entirely Brady.”
    — Gary Myers [28:36]

Why Did Free Agents Choose New England?

• Players tolerated Belichick to chase rings and bigger contracts, but most were drawn specifically to play with Brady.

  “They wanted to play with Brady because Brady was going to take them to the playoffs. You get extra paychecks and you may win a Super Bowl.”
  — Dan Patrick [29:53]

Brady and Montana: A Fractured Relationship

• Myers reveals Tom Brady and Joe Montana’s friendship soured when Brady would only reach out after breaking one of Montana’s records. Montana felt “disrespected,” stating Tom never contacted him for any other reason.

  “Joe said he could have dealt with that if … Tom was texting him every now and then … But that didn’t happen.”
  — Gary Myers [31:46]

Brady and Belichick: Minimal Personal Bond

• Both Myers and Dan recount that Brady and Belichick never “walked down memory lane” together—no sentimental retrospectives even after championships:

  “Do you think you and Belichick will ever sit down and kind of open up the scrapbook and, you know, walk down memory lane?
  He goes, no, because that's, that's not our relationship.”
  — Dan Patrick [33:29]

Belichick’s Influence on Brady’s Early Growth

• Myers highlights how Belichick’s defensive insights shaped rookie Brady, especially after QB coach Dick Rehbein’s death in 2001.

  “Belichick became the de facto quarterback coach … gave Brady the perspective as an offensive coach on how to attack a defense.”
  — Gary Myers [36:19]

Belichick’s Coaching Future

• Myers doubts Belichick will get another NFL head job after New England, suggesting his rumored interest in Carolina (or North Carolina—possibly a misstatement) is his last:

  “No owner wants a part of that … I think Carolina is his last job. Whether he's going to be successful there or not is just a question of whether he can master the NIL and the transfer portal …”
  — Gary Myers [37:41]

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Further Listener Call-ins and Studio Debates

Conflict of Interest: Fox’s Dilemma

• Dan and the crew agree: If the Bears or any team refuse a production meeting with Brady, they’re justified.
• Dan: “I'm not sharing information, just not going to do that.” [45:52]
• Todd: All teams should withhold information “until the NFL wakes up and figures out this is in fact a conflict of interest.” [45:45]

Instant Replay Booth Transparency

• Fan praises ACC for live replay booth audio. Dan’s long called for this in the NFL: “I want that official’s microphone on. I want to know what you’re seeing … there’s got to be transparency here.” [48:01]

Josh McDaniels' Role in the Dynasty

• Caller asks where McDaniels fits in the Brady/Belichick debate; Dan notes the book is focused on the major two, though McDaniels’ influence is acknowledged, especially later in Brady’s career.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Dan Patrick (on Brady in production meetings):

  “Now you have to adjust what you’re doing for Tom … I just don't like the look of it.” [10:14]

• Gary Myers (on NFL ignoring the conflict):

  “They [the NFL] approved him as an owner knowing he was working for Fox … but Tom should have known better.” [26:10]

• Dan Patrick (on Brady and Belichick’s lack of sentimentality):

  “He goes, no, because that’s not our relationship.” [33:29]

• Gary Myers (on Belichick’s last NFL stop):

  “I don't think he'll get hired in the NFL again.” [37:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Playoff Polls/Quarterback talk: 05:05–06:25
• Brady’s owner-broadcaster controversy starts: 09:20–10:33
• Gary Myers extended interview: 26:05–39:36
• On-field transparency and replay booths: 48:01–48:37
• Production meeting strategy after Brady controversy: 44:12–45:52

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Conclusion

This episode digs into the tension between legacy and loyalty in the NFL, spotlighting how personal dynamics, business interests, and rule gray areas collide at the game’s highest level. Through the lens of Brady, Belichick, broadcasting, and ownership, Dan and Gary Myers illuminate what shaped the Patriots dynasty and what still shapes league perception and policy today.

For further context and behind-the-scenes stories, check out Gary Myers’ “Brady vs. Belichick: The Dynasty Debate.”

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[Danette (Fan Caller)]

Yeah, first hour. We kind of pivoted a little bit. Who's more Super Bowlish, the Buccaneers or the Chargers? Right now The Chargers have 67% of that vote, which is the opposite of the way. I think the room saw it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I just think an easier path for Tampa Bay. I have to factor that in. They have been consistent the last what, four years, five years. They won their division and I mean they won a game last night that I didn't think they were going to. Banged up offensive line. But Baker Mayfield did a great job leading the team down to victory and here is Baker after the game.

[Gary Myers]

These two minute close games.

[Paulie]

We were not on the right side.

[Dan Patrick]

Of things for the past couple years.

[Gary Myers]

And it's good to see that.

[Dan Patrick]

We haven't even played close to our.

[Paulie]

Best ball in all three phases and.

[Dan Patrick]

We'Re still finding ways to win on the road and that's really important is to not lose sight of that. We're finding ways to win but also we, we do need to get things fixed.

[Gary Myers]

Some of these games can make it.

[Paulie]

Easier on ourselves and try and put teams way earlier.

[Gary Myers]

But this is a good team that we played.

[Dan Patrick]

So it's. We expected a hard fought battle but yeah, it's nice to be on the right side of it. Fifth consecutive year Tampa's open up the season two and oh longest active streak in the NFL. What other poll questions putting up there right now?

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

The AFC team that 20 that won't make the playoffs. Your options there, Bills, chargers, Bengals, Colts 2 and O team that won't make the playoffs from the AFC, I'll say.

[Dan Patrick]

The Bengals there I do believe in the Colts. I mean the Colts could have made the playoffs last year. I think it's a talented team. I know we want to look at Daniel Jones and say you're not going to make the playoffs with him. I think he just has to do enough. You got a really good running back. You got skilled position. I think they're sneaking now. I'm not saying they're a great team or boy they're going to be dangerous in the postseason, but I do think they have a playoff caliber roster. Yes, Todd, and how do you score.

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Well, it also helped they were playing against the Broncos this weekend. By the way, Todd gets a pie to the face at the end of the show.

[Gary Myers]

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[Dan Patrick]

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Dylan just sent me the super bowl odds for the Chargers and the Buccaneers after last night. Who do you think has better super bowl odds? This according to DraftKings. If you said the Chargers, you would be right +1600 the Buccaneers +2000 this is the start of the day. A lot of chatter today about Tom Brady being in the coach's booth last night. With the Raiders lost, they're not even hiding. I mean, it's right there. Like Tom Part owner and you're allowed to sit in there and help Chip Kelly and his staff. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback, sent out a tweet. People think of just the strategic stuff, but it goes deeper than that. You can also gather pertinent detail on players in production meetings to inform free agent signings and trades or figure out who the key assistant coaches are and try to poach them. Lots of layers to this with Tom Brady and his role at Fox and as a minority owner of the Raiders, James Palmer. He says that Tom Brady meets with Chip Kelly two to three times a week to go over film and go through the game plan. And every weekend Brady is calling a game for Fox, gathering as much information as possible from players and coaches from both teams to be at his best in the broadcast booth. Period. Got it. Snarky. Got it. Yeah. Paulie.

[Paulie]

Tom Brady earlier in the day yesterday announced a partnership with fanatics to play a flag football game in Saudi Arabia next March. That was the second most controversial thing he did. Think about that for a second.

[Dan Patrick]

Once again, it's apparently not a conflict of interest. And you know, I might have a problem with it, but, you know, I'm one voice. I just don't like the look of it. And if the owners are okay, quietly okay with this, maybe they're not. I, I wouldn't be, but I just can't imagine if I'm Ben Johnson and I'm the Bears head coach and we play the Raiders the following week and Tom is going to be calling our game this week. How forthcoming am I going to be or can I be? Should I be? Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

And that's another competitive advantage. Like the Bears now have to go into a production meeting and they need every bit of help they can get. Thinking about how they attack that production meeting instead of walking in, giving a few lines to the production team and the announcers and walking out. Now they have to adjust what they're doing for Tom.

[Dan Patrick]

I haven't been in those production meetings. All I know is football night in America. Rodney and Tony would go in and they would. They would have information. They were told things, but they were told things that we don't want you to tell anybody anything. It was embargoed. You don't tweet them out. This was something that you would be using if you were calling a game. They would give you this information. Hey, third down and long. What's your philosophy? You know that jet. Jet sweep, you know, explain what your philosophy is with that. Hey, this. This player. Why are you only using him this much? Who's the guy who's really surprising you on, like. I mean, there's all these questions that you would ask, but then what do you say? You've put a team in a delicate predicament, but also Fox in doing the game because Tom has to get this information. Now, granted, he's smart enough to know certain things, but I can only tell you from what guys that I work with would tell you or tell me when they got back from these meetings. The coaches love to tell you something. Hey, watch for this. And you were embargoed. You couldn't use it. You know, it was one of those unspoken, hey, I'll tell you stuff, but only use it during the game because you don't want the opponent to go, oh, did you see what such and such tweeted out or just told, you know, whoever you know, you got. They give you information. They love to talk. They love to talk each other's language. Hey, when they do that to safety. And then. And then, you know, Jimmy Lipper goes banana white. You know, scooty, scooty. And then you're like, all right, all right.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

That's a tough place to stop, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Banana Y. Scooty, scooty. Yeah, on one sure thing. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

But you'll hear this a lot and not even know you're hearing it, especially with someone like Kirk Herbstreak during college games. Like, I talked to Brent Venables the other day. When you hear him mentioning assistant coaches and coordinators and saying they're really looking to this.

[Gary Myers]

This.

[Paulie]

That's Kirk's pregame prep. And all these guys do this, but you hear it during the game, specifically.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's see. Sean in Florida. Hi, Sean. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Good morning, Dan. First and foremost, I want to give a quick Tampa babe. Baker Mayfield and the boys balled out Last night when I say my six year old daughter is your biggest fan, she's home sick today. She compelled me to call Dan and the boys. Stephen wore her. I'm trying my best hat to field day last year. It was amazing. A quick question, maybe a poll question. Is there a better clutch quarterback than Baker Maple right now? I think he leads the league and fourth quarter comebacks at the time.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Sean. I hope your daughter feels better today. I'd still lean with Patrick Mahomes being clutch. I like what I see, but I've always liked what I saw with Baker Mayfield. You know, he had a chip. He has a chip on his shoulder and somehow, some way, he's going to find a way to beat you. And he did that in college. I mean, he got kicked to the curb in a couple of places in the NFL and then all of a sudden, who was he going to get? Kyle Trask. That was his competition, I think, with Tampa. Does that sound right? Yes, Marvin. Yeah.

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[Dan Patrick]

You know, force the football to him.

[Gary Myers]

Definitely.

[Dan Patrick]

He did what, those progressive commercials. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie Baker's third year in the league with Cleveland. He was 11 and five as a starter, 26 touchdowns, eight picks. They did not give him the big contract after year three. If they would have, they would have had him for four or five more years. They pushed it back and that next season was when he started getting injured. 17 touchdowns, 13 picks. And they didn't have to sign him.

[Gary Myers]

Which they should have.

[Dan Patrick]

Paulie has a quick NFL game.

[Paulie]

Here we go. You mentioned Brandon Aubrey, the star kicker for the Cowboys. He only makes. He's making under $1 million this year. He's the second lowest paid kicker in the entire NFL this season.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. Who? Who? He's a restricted free agent.

[Paulie]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

So he can go out and get offers and then the Cowboys have the final say if they want to match.

[Paulie]

Correct. Okay, who is the highest paid kicker in the league this season and how much does that person make this season? Anyone want to take.

[Dan Patrick]

Is he on a roster?

[Paulie]

Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, I know what you're saying. That's like that's well done by you. But not Justin Tucker. He would have been third highest paid this year.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

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[Paulie]

Anyone else want to Guess I was going to say Harrison, but Harrison Butker is correct. Highest paid kicker. Who wants to guess his current salary?

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

I think he just signed that in the off season.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think so.

[Paulie]

Sure did.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. 5.2 million. $6.4 million.

[Paulie]

4 million.

[Caller]

Wow.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

There are 10 different kickers in the league making over $4 million a year.

[Caller]

Dang.

[Dan Patrick]

Dang. Dang.

[Caller]

Dang.

[Dan Patrick]

Dang.

[Paulie]

That's the entire game?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, that's it. Oh, well, congratulations.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

All right, you guys want to play?

[Dan Patrick]

Dang.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

Next.

[Caller]

Dang.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

Paul said something and then we all just go.

[Dan Patrick]

Dang. Matt and Raleigh. Hi, Matt. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, how's it going, Dan? Guys. So, you know, I heard y' all discussing earlier about the NFL schedule, and someone brought up possibly having a bye week. My thought would be we could kind of do what every other sport's doing and they could have a All Star break somewhere around week 12 or 13, which would fall the week before Thanksgiving for the players. That would be great for the owners. Now you've opened up not only all day on Thursday and Friday, you've also now opened up Wednesday night double header. What would be your Monday Night Football. I feel like that would be huge. Give them more time to own the entire Thanksgiving time off. Just wondering what you think about that. And bro hug, back row.

[Dan Patrick]

Now, what you're saying is you. You would have games over Thanksgiving.

[Caller]

Yes. The week before would be your bye week. So that Sunday.

[Dan Patrick]

So everybody's all, they don't want to give up a weekend. They don't want to give. I mean, there's too much momentum that you're going to go and no football over the weekend. I understand what you're saying. To own Thanksgiving weekend. They own Thanksgiving weekend anyway.

[Caller]

They can own Wednesday as well.

[Dan Patrick]

I think they'd rather own Sunday than the following Wednesday. But. But thank you, man. Yes. Paul.

[Paulie]

I gotta tell you, I didn't really enjoy the Monday Night Football doubleheader, and I don't think I enjoy them. I'm too conditioned. I think we're too conditioned for that. Eight o' clock Eastern and whatever time zone you're in. Monday Night Football, it hits you too early on the front end and hits you too late on the back end. So you're really forced to watch parts of both games.

[Dan Patrick]

They don't care about us.

[Paulie]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

But there's three more of these on Monday nights. Then you have a Saturday night one at the end of the season. They don't. They're like, we want to placate Both time zones, east coast, west coast. That's. That's all they care about. Larry in Michigan. Hi, Larry.

[Caller]

Thanks for the call, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep.

[Caller]

I got three moments from the Lions that just stood out. First, Amon Ra, beautiful game. But the first or second, he did the fake hamstring injury as a celebration. I'm too old for that crap. I was like, we went through last year. No, no, come on, my man. The second thing was Tesla, or Tesla, the rookie that they drafted this year. He's got two catches. The first catch, incredible one handed touchdown catch in the first game. And then the second game, another just gets one catch. Another incredible one handed get catch at the end of the first half, which leads me to my third point, which was when Ben Johnson thought that they got away without giving the Lions a score. It's like, come on, guys, let's get out of here. And they're running off the field and then you see the Lions players go, come back, boys. Come back. And then we got our touchdown there and topped him with 52. That was sweet.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Larry. Just don't do that fake injury stuff because Larry's too old for that junk. Don't you do that. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

The wide receiver he's referring to for the Lions is Isaac Tesla. He, he played at Arkansas a little bit and he's had two catches on the season. They're both one handers.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's take a break. Gary Myers wrote the book on Brady versus Belichick. It's a new book out. We'll talk to him about that relationship and get his thoughts on some other NFL things as well. We'll take a break, back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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[Gary Myers]

Oh, how can we think it's a conflict of interest? Because he's working on a network that covers the Raiders, the Bears, the Cowboys, whatever, and then he's sitting in the booth. This is just a horrible, horrible look for the NFL, and they need to do something about it. I mean, they approved him as an owner knowing he was working for Fox, so. And they scaled back the restrictions this year. But Tom should have known better than to be so public last night to be sitting in the booth with the headphones on if he's talking to Chip Kelly two, three times a week. You know, okay, fine. But to be on national TV looking like you're calling in plays even though I'm sure he wasn't. What a horrible conflict of interest. And it's just such a bad look for the NFL.

[Dan Patrick]

But, you know, knowing Brady, doing Brady versus Manning, Brady versus Belichick, Tom's extremely competitive. Tom's not there for a ceremonial I own part of the team. Tom would love nothing better than to be on that podium hosting a Lombardi Trophy.

[Gary Myers]

As an owner, there's no question. And just think of this, and I know you've already discussed this, but. So Tom's got the Bears and the Cowboys this week, and then in two weeks, the Raiders are playing the Bears. So you don't think the information he gathers covering the Bears, and I know they don't let him in the facility anymore or they don't let him in the facility still, but he's taking part in the production meetings virtually, so he's able to ask questions. And, you know, he's a smart guy. He's asking good questions. Now, you hope the coaches and the players are smart enough not to give him anything to inside, but if anybody doesn't think he's running back to Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly or else and telling what he found out. I mean, he's an honorable guy and I like him a lot, but we can't give him too much credit here for keeping things to himself.

[Dan Patrick]

The book is Brady versus Belichick, the dynasty Debate. What led you to your conclusion of who has or who was more important in that dynasty?

[Gary Myers]

Well, I think, first of all, I don't Take into consideration anything that happened after Brady left. So I don't count the Tampa super bowl and Belichick struggling. I don't count Belichick struggling before Brady took over in New England. England, because to me, it's irrelevant. The important part of this debate is who gets the credit for what they accomplished together. And I give a lot of credit to Belichick. One, for drafting Brady, even though it was only the sixth round. If he knew he's going to be great, Danny would have taken him in the first round, you know, but that first super bowl was, you know, until Brady's last drive on the winning field goal that season. And that super bowl was all Belichick, both with defense and running the ball. And then, as you know, they're going. They beat the Panthers in a really high scoring game. I think that was like a 50, 50. And then they beat the Eagles. And that was more of a defensive game. It wasn't really high scoring. So I think the early part of the dynasty was really Belichick. And I think the turning point of it was in the 07 season when Tom throws 50 touchdowns, they go 16 and, oh, come within some Velcro on David Tyree's helmet from winning that super bowl and being remembered as the greatest singles team, greatest single season team in NFL history. I think that's when we realized, you know, not only is Brady better than Peyton Manning, but he's closing in on Joe Montana at that point. I still wouldn't have said he was better than Joe when he won the fourth Super bowl and they were 10 years apart between the third and fourth. That's when I think the second half of the dynasty, I think, was almost entirely Brady. But because Belichick was so influential in the first half, it doesn't even it out, but it makes the gap a little less.

[Dan Patrick]

But people, players have told me they wanted to play with Brady. They didn't want to go play for Belichick, but they wanted to play with Brady because Brady was going to take him to the playoffs. You get extra paychecks and you may win a Super Bowl. I. Three players who played for them said that they went there because Tom was the quarterback there. I don't know how much that tips the scales here, but they were going because they knew they had the best quarterback in the game.

[Gary Myers]

Well, I think that obviously had a lot to do with it, but one of the players told me that the reason that they put up with all Belichick's nonsense is because he knew they.

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[Gary Myers]

And he's winning Super Bowls. And ultimately that's all players really care about in the end. Well, two things they care about, getting paid and winning Super Bowls. And if you win Super Bowls, you get to get paid, not necessarily by the Patriots, but become more attractive as a free agent because, you know, the super bowl champions always get picked apart in free agency. So Belichick was good for their bank accounts, even though if they didn't necessarily like to play for him.

[Dan Patrick]

You also look at the relationship between Brady and Joe Montana. And I, I didn't know that it was fractured or I didn't. I'll put it, let you put it into your words of where is that? Or where was that relationship? Because I think you allude to it, it's better now. But there was a time when it wasn't good.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah, I mean, what happened? You know, Joe still lives in the Bay Area. Tom is from San Mateo, which isn't far from where Joe lives. Joe and then Steve Young were Tom's heroes growing up. They had a mutual friend who worked for the Golden State warriors, who called Montana after Tom won his first super bowl and said, hey, you know, Tom loves you. Can you have lunch with him? So they had lunch at Joe's house and Joe thought this would be a nice situation. He wasn't looking to be Thomas mentor, but he thought it was be a nice relationship where, you know, he knew that Tom looked up to him. Well, Joe told me that in the succeeding years, the only time he heard from Brady was when Tom broke one of Joe's records and said, I got another one of your records. And Joe said he could have dealt with that if at the same time Tom was texting him every now and then, say, hey Joe, how you doing? I'm going to be in town, let's get together, that kind of stuff. But that didn't happen. And Joe, I don't know how well you know Joe Dan, but he's a great guy. He's really humble for all his accomplishments, he's really a humble guy. He never cared about stats. He just cared about winning and was curious why Brady was so hung up on, on breaking his records. They, I think they smooth things out a little bit at some of these, you know, hundred year anniversary celebrations that the NFL had. And when they had all the MVPs together, they talked a little bit. But, you know, I think Joe is the kind of guy who does hold somewhat of a grudge, and I don't think he'll ever forget that he felt A little disrespected by Tom, which, which really surprised me because I don't look at Tom as that kind of guy. But you know, everybody has their own experience with them and that's what was Joe's experience.

[Dan Patrick]

Gary Myers New York Times best selling author the book released today, Brady vs. Belichick the Dynasty Debate. I interviewed Tom before the super bowl against the Eagles and at one point I said, do you think you and Belichick will ever sit down and kind of open up the scrapbook and, you know, walk down memory lane? He goes, no, because that's, that's not our relationship.

[Gary Myers]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

Why is Bill, Bill's not capable of having that. You know, let's have more than a coach player relationship.

[Gary Myers]

I think that he's capable of having it when the player is no longer playing from him and retires because he has a really good relationship with guys like Carl Banks and Lawrence Taylor and Phil Sims. It wasn't that. Now he was never coached Sims directly, but he wasn't. He doesn't allow himself to get close to players because he knows for the most part unless a guy retires on his own, it's going to end poorly. So he doesn't want to develop that real close personal relationship. Now. I think his relationship with Brady is better today than it ever has been, even during his playing career or, or the five years or so that they were separated. But I think today they've come to appreciate what they meant to each other. But I know when I did the Brady Manning book, I said to Tom, it was kind of the same question you asked him. I said, you're sitting there on a Tuesday night at 10 o', clock, you're going over the game plan, which they did every Tuesday night. I said, david, say hey, we were, we've been great for each other. And that point they had won three Super Bowls. You know, do you ever reminisce or, you know, this is amazing what we're doing and it's not over yet. Or do you ever say, hey, there's not much to do in Foxborough, but I know a good place up the road we can get a pizza and share a pitcher of beer. Do you ever do that? Goes, never came up in conversation. And now I don't know what's happened in the last couple years since they're both away from New England, but I know from the time while Brady was still in New England and Tom was in Tampa and then left Tampa that that never occurred. And I think Tom's father is much more Outspoken than Tom is himself about what the relationship is and how he felt. You know, his son was disrespected all those years in New England by Belichick.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, it's just a weird dynamic, but I always, whenever anybody asked me about it, I always sided with Brady because he had to go out and do it. And. And Bill was a defensive minded head coach. So how much he was involved in the offense, I mean, that was Tom. And he did, you know, he did have, you know, offensive coordinators there to help him. But I still lean towards Tom, that Bill can tell you or his assistants can tell you. Tom had to go out and do it. And whether anybody's keeping score, it's not like LeBron and Jordan. But I think there is still the. Who is more important, the coach or the star player in any sport.

[Gary Myers]

No, I agree with you. But as far as the offensive input that Belichick had, remember in 2001, Dick Rabine, who was a Patriots quarterback, who. And he was the one who was most responsible for Belichick drafting Brady. He wanted to take him in the third or fourth round. Well, Dick Rabine passed away right at the beginning of training camp in 01, and Belichick did not hire another quarterback coach. Charlie Weiss was the offensive coordinator, but Raybone is the one who worked most closely with Brady. Belichick became the de facto quarterback coach. He sat in on a lot of meetings with Brady and Weiss. He had a lot of meetings by himself with Brady. And what he would do would give Brady the perspective as offensive coach and how to attack a defense. He was really instrumental in Brady's development as a quarterback because of Belichick's knowledge about defense. And Belichick did become like Parcells before him. They did become good offensive coaches. Now, they were still known as being brilliant defensive coaches, but they, they became all around coaches. So I think that Belichick's influence on Brady early on was much greater than anybody remembers. And I point that out in the book.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's. That's a great point. Yeah. Before I let you go.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you think North Carolina is Belichick's last stop?

[Gary Myers]

Yes. I don't think he'll get hired in the NFL again. I was surprised he didn't get hired in the first hiring cycle after he was fired in New England. We know it came close in Atlanta and Weathercraft put the kibosh on that.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know how would he have done that, Gary?

[Gary Myers]

Well, he would have called Arthur Blank and said, you don't want you don't want this. I mean, this is what he's going to do to your organization. Dan, that's what owners were calling kraft about in 2000. For your own mental health. Don't hire this guy. Right. And I wouldn't be like, listen to Kraft do that with blank. That's what a lot of people are saying. I don't know that personally. Now, the second time, Belichick wanted into the NFL so badly that he called an intermediary with the jets who had influence on the hiring process and he called him and said, I'm interested in the jets job. You think he'd rather be a sanitation worker? And I'm not putting sanitation workers down, but we'll go working as a cook in a kitchen before you ever want to go to the jets, considering the history. But he said, I want that job. And after the guy finished laughing, he said, they're not going to hire you. There's nobody that's going to hire belichick. Now the 24 year old girlfriend I think has something to do. No owner wants a part of that. And having to explain that I think Carolina is his last job. Whether he's going to be successful there or not is just a question of whether he can master the nil and the transfer portal and get himself a quarterback. You can't win without a quarterback at any level.

[Dan Patrick]

He needs the Tom Brady he does.

[Gary Myers]

And maybe he can find somebody in the transfer portal and see something in him that nobody sees because he obviously saw a little something in Brady that he just invested a six round pick in him. But I want to, before we say he's a genius for taking him, just remember he took six other players in that draft before he drafted Brady, including a defensive back that nobody has ever heard of since in the sixth round before he took Brady. So if he knew he was going to be anything to what he turned, if he even thought he was going to be a starter in the league, he would have taken him before the sixth round.

[Dan Patrick]

Good luck with the book, Gary. Good to connect with you again.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah, Dan, thanks for having me on. It's great to see you.

[Dan Patrick]

Gary Myers, New York Times best selling author. He wrote Brady versus Manning and the new book is Brady versus Belichick the Dynasty Debate. Gary's been covering the league over 40 years. All right, we'll take a break. Phone calls coming up. 8773 DP show. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live.

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[Dan Patrick]

Paulie has a football question for the room.

[Paulie]

Okay, the big Tom Brady story about conflict of interest and his next game on Fox is Bears Cowboys, correct?

[Dan Patrick]

I believe so.

[Paulie]

So later this week, the Fox team with Tom Brady would have some type of production meeting with both the Cowboys staff and the Bears staff and then the Bears play the Raiders the following week. If the Bears or any team if the Bears coaching staff refused to have a production meeting with Tom Brady, how would that go over with people like us? Would the Bears be seen as petty or would it be like Tom's getting what he deserves or the NFL is getting what they deserve.

[Dan Patrick]

I wouldn't blame the Bears if they said now they won't completely shut him out. I I would just say up front, you know Tom, we're going to be very limited in what we're going to tell you, but if you said they're not going to participate, then all right, I don't have any problem with that. I, I wouldn't want to give him and I'm not going to give him information. I'm sorry, I'm not helping your broadcasting career. We have to win football games here. And you're the Bears. You're owing to, you got a new coach and all of a sudden you're going to go, hey, Tom, come on in. Yeah, see, it'd be awesome, though, if.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

Kevin Burkhart had all the information and he was the one calling the players.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, Tom, I think what they.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

Like to do here on third down.

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[Dan Patrick]

And then he goes to, you know, the Raiders to help Tom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom brings in Kevin Burkhart. Kevin, come on in and download everybody on what you learned from the Bears. Yes, Todd.

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[Dan Patrick]

All right, thank you, Todd. I'm not sharing information, just not going to do that. I, I mean, we're on the Raiders schedule. I can't, doesn't make any sense. But the NFL and the owners, Fox, they put themselves in this position. You heard Gary Myers, who's been around the NFL for 40 years, and you can tell, you can tell where his feelings were. He didn't mince words that this is a terrible look. It just is. Whether if anybody has a problem with it publicly, it feels like privately, they're going to be teams executives are going to have a problem with this.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paul, the funny thing, though, if the NFL want to do anything right now, I don't think they can. This is an unfixable problem. They can't remove him as an owner before next week and that and they can't sideline him.

[Dan Patrick]

From Fox, John in North Carolina. Hi, John. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Yeah, you know, I don't really have that much problem with Tom being up in the booth. I could see Jerry Jones doing that. If I see him on the sideline checking the pressure of the footballs, then I've got an issue.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, George in Louisiana.

[Caller]

Hi, George, first time caller, just retired, got knee replacement surgery. And I watch you every morning on Peacock. All right. I don't know if anybody's seen this the other Day. But the Clemson Georgia Tech game toward the end of the game was a call under review. They what the referee put his headsets on. Then they had another camera shot to the people in the booth with their microphones on, talking to the referee. And I'm like, I've never seen this before. And like my head's to the tv, like, what they talking about? You know? And I was wondering, is this the two things? Is this the first time? This is. Have y' all seen this before? And Anthony Blandino, why they don't do this in NFL? I think it would be great. Tv. Instead of showing a picture of the coaches, the players, the fans, I want to hear what they talking about in that.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I've been talking about this for years, Matt. When they had the review on the field, I want, I want that official's microphone on. I want to know what they're seeing. I'm sorry, it's got to be transparency here. I want to know what you're seeing, what you saw, what you didn't see. And if you're going to get help from upstairs, great. If the goal is to get the call right, then get the call right. If it's, hey, we don't want to seem like we need help from up above. And I think that leads to some problems on the field. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paulie, the ACC conference is doing this currently this year. They're letting you hear what's being discussed in the repay replay booth.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I've been saying it for years. Let us hear. I'm fine with it. Got nothing to hide. Let us hear. Let's see. George in Virginia. Hey, George.

[Caller]

Dan. How are you?

[Dan Patrick]

Good.

[Caller]

Haven't talked to you since the Family Feud coaching session I had for you guys a while back. Congratulations on the W. Thank you. I wanted to just chat about the Belichick Brady thing. So where does Josh McDaniels fit into all this? It seems to me like obviously we know, not successful as a head coach, but he seems like he was a key part of all of those rings, but he doesn't get any love. I'm just trying to understand where it fits in because I think taking Welker and Amadola and some of these sort of second tier players and making them stars has to be a little bit about his scheme.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you know, the book is called Brady vs. Belichick, not Brady vs. Belichick vs. McDaniels. I mean, Josh did a great job. Wasn't head coach material, but yeah, I'm sure Tom would say Tom might even say that he had more to do with his development maybe later in his career than Bill did. But as Gary Myers pointed out, Bill was helping him understand from a defensive perspective. I'm going to give you the defensive look and then you as a quarterback. This will help you develop and it's a great point that he made there. Andy in Grand Rapids. Hi Andy.

[Caller]

Hey Dan, how we doing today?

[Dan Patrick]

Good, good, good.

[Caller]

Hey, first time forever time. 5:10, 205. I'm a lifelong Titan fan and I'll never understand why they fired Rabel, but I've been saying all year that I'm convinced that they're going to be back to back number one overall picks this year, the first time it happened since 2000 with the Browns. I'm hoping for an update from you guys about going to Notre Dame, usc, because I'd love to make a pilot face bet, assuming I could pie one of you or you guys pie one me.

[Dan Patrick]

And what's the bet?

[Caller]

The bet would be that the Titans don't win a game. Before you guys go to that to the UFC Dardane game, I'd have to.

[Dan Patrick]

Look at the schedule there, Andy.

[Caller]

Of course I don't have it in front of me because I'm at work hiding in a closet right now.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm at work too and I don't have it in front of me. I normally carry the Titan schedule. I have that in my wallet.

[Paulie]

Flip chart.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, I have it in my wallet.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

Let's say when's the Notre Dame game?

[Dan Patrick]

October.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

So then the Titans have the Colts, Texans, Cardinals, Raiders.

[Dan Patrick]

That's a little choppy.

[Danette (Fan Caller)]

I don't know, some semi munchy.

[Dan Patrick]

I have to give that some thought. Two hours in the books, one more to go. We're talking the Tush push coming up. Top of the hour.

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