Hour 2 – Brendan Sorsby Injunction, John Calipari, CC Sabathia

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2 – Brendan Sorsby Injunction, John Calipari, CC Sabathia

Date: June 12, 2026
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan Patrick hosts legendary basketball coach John Calipari and Hall of Fame pitcher CC Sabathia, focusing on the NCAA, point spreads, social media criticism, college basketball coaching, celebrity sports fandom, pitching in the MLB, and the controversial Brendan Sorsby gambling injunction. The conversations are lively and insightful, rich with nostalgia, humor, and sharp observations on the state of college and professional sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage and Poll Question

• [02:11] Dan introduces the day’s guests: John Calipari (Arkansas head coach, former National Champion), CC Sabathia (Hall of Fame MLB pitcher), and mentions Kirk Herbstreit will join later.
• [03:36] Poll question: “You can have free tickets to ONE event—NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Final, or the World Cup?”
  • Dan chooses the World Cup: “Well, I’ve done the other ones. I haven’t done a World Cup, so, yeah.” (03:46)

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2. Interview: John Calipari – NBA Finals, Social Media, and NCAA Chaos

[04:20-19:32]

Calipari’s NBA Finals Experience & Coaching Reflections

• Calipari recounts attending NBA Finals Game 4 at Madison Square Garden, surrounded by his former players:
  • “Come on now. You know Karl Towns is in that game, De'Aaron Fox is in that game. Keldon Johnson’s in that game. … I can call Leon and Wes and say, ‘Hey, boys, I need a ticket.’” (04:20)
• Wearing a coaching suit, he jokes about looking like he was ready to coach again.
• On being repeatedly asked about returning to NBA coaching:
  “I have to remind everybody I coached the Nets and they fired me. So why are you asking what I would do in an NBA game?” (05:00)

Critique of Sports Analysis and Social Media Negativity

• Calipari pushes back against constant criticism of players on social media:
  • “All they were there was to give them a chance and to pick them up. … Instead of picking it apart, … how about we just enjoy what’s happening? Because this may be one of the better finals ever and we’re able to sit there and enjoy it.” (06:15)
  • “De’Aaron Fox is playing with a high ankle sprain, probably shouldn’t be playing… If he would have dunked it, he’s the hero. Now he’s the biggest goat.” (07:26)
• Calipari highlights the fickleness of public opinion and the impact of gambling and social media criticism on coaches and players.

Inside Stories on NBA Players and Recruiting

• On not being able to recruit certain talent:
  • “Did you recruit [Ron Harper’s son]?”
  • “I couldn’t. He was going to Rutgers the whole time. I tried.” (08:10)
  • Similar story with Jalen Brunson:
    “I see this kid down here. It’s down to you and us now because I’m recruiting the shit out of this kid.” (12:23)
• Pride in his and Jay Wright’s former players now starring in the Finals.

Point Spread Awareness

• On whether he pays attention to point spreads:
  • “Never. Don’t want to know.” (13:44)
  • “If we were going to a game and I asked [my guy] and he said, ‘yeah it’s 4.4 points’... oh shit, they know something we don’t know!” (14:05)

NCAA and Government Intervention

• On loss of NCAA authority and possible government involvement due to ongoing chaos:
  • “This has gotten away from us… Would I hope we wouldn’t need government? … But I’m in this. We cannot leave college sports the way it is another year. Cannot.” (15:40)
  • Advocates for a temporary “two year reprieve” or solution to stabilize college sports.

Recruiting Stories & Coaching Legacy

• On most important players he’s coached:
  • Darius Acuff, Malik Thomas, Trevin Brazil, and especially Marcus Camby:
    “When he came, we became number one in the country. He is a top-50 player in the history of the game.” (18:03)
  • On recruiting Marcus Camby:
    “He said, I want to be a shooting guard. He’s 6’11. … I said, well, I’m not going to lie. If you want to be a shooting guard, I’m gonna let you. But we do post our shooting guards a lot.” (18:45)

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “Let’s just cheer these guys on and enjoy.” – John Calipari (19:21)
• Dan teases Calipari over alleged NCAA infractions and missed layups—lighthearted, long-standing rapport.

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3. Interview: CC Sabathia – Life as a Yankees Legend, Pitching Through the Ages, and Ohtani's Greatness

[24:50-36:53]

CC Sabathia on Knicks Fandom & Celebrity Sports Culture

• Not a die-hard Knicks fan, but a regional rooter:
  • “I’m regional with basketball. … Whoever’s winning, I just roll with that squad.” (24:50)
• On celebrity attendance at games when he played for the Yankees:
  • “You know who’s there. Like when Lorne Michaels is sitting back or whoever else… we were always paying attention.” (26:08)

MLB Pitching Analysis—Velocity, Technique, Arm Injuries

• Would he choose movement or max velocity?
  • “I would take the 95 with movement... I can pitch with that and move it around.” (27:07)
• Mariano Rivera’s cutter as the most unhittable pitch:
  • “Everybody knew it was coming… and still couldn’t get to him.” (29:29)
• Johan Santana’s changeup, Phil Niekro’s knuckleball also cited as “unhittable.”
• Tommy John surgery as a modern rite of passage:
  • “It seems like… guys are coming to pro ball with one Tommy John already, and they may be having two while they’re playing.” (31:15)

The Ohtani Discourse: Is He the Greatest Ever?

• Sabathia: “I think he [Ohtani] already is the greatest [baseball player] of all time.” (34:16)
• On the difficulty and uniqueness of two-way play in the modern era:
  • “There’s always guys that could do both right… But there’s definitely guys that can, you know, do both.” (33:20)
  • “He’s one of the best hitters and one of the best pitchers. To do it in this era? I think… my GOAT is Barry Bonds, but Barry can’t go throw seven shutout innings.” (34:26)

Candid CC: Batting Stats & Griffey's Prank

• CC bemoans his career batting average and tells home run stories:
  • “I hit a homer off Homer Bailey, Chan Ho Park, and Elizardo Ramirez.” (35:20)
• On not getting a home run ball back:
  • “Griffey threw [the first home run ball] back in the stands. With a swing like that, no way!” (35:47)

Health & Playing with Heart Campaign

• Shares about his own heart health scare in 2018 and ongoing advocacy:
  • “Playing with Heart is a campaign… just to help adults understand bad cholesterol, their cholesterol number… if I can help somebody, talk to their physician…” (36:01)

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4. Dan Patrick on the Brendan Sorsby Situation (NCAA Gambling Suspension)

[42:00-48:52]

• Call-in discusses the significance of adding gambling as a “line you don’t cross” in college sports.
• Dan is skeptical of the “altruism” around Sorsby’s two-game suspension after a judge’s ruling:
  • “Don’t put his gambling addiction and rehab in front as a shield because if he wasn’t a great college player, you wouldn’t be doing this. He’s a great player… this is business.” (42:54)
  • “What decision has been made in the last five years for the betterment of the game itself? Everything is selfish.” (43:41)
• Strong criticism of big-money college football’s ethics:
  • “You never have to apologize for winning. … That is the great bath that you can take. It gets rid of everything. It’s a cleanse.” (47:06)
• Worries about legal precedent enabling future “irreparable harm” claims:
  • “There’s precedent here. That’s what makes me nervous.” (46:41)
• Calls out hypocrisy—other schools, officials, coaches all implicated.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On NBA Finals and player criticism:
  “Instead of picking it apart, each player… how about we just enjoy what’s happening? Because this may be one of the better finals ever.” — John Calipari (06:15)
• Recruiting Jalen Brunson:
  “I see this kid down here. It’s down to you and us now because I’m recruiting the shit out of this kid.” — John Calipari (12:23)
• On gambling and NCAA authority:
  “We cannot leave college sports the way it is another year. Cannot. So whatever we do, we gotta do something.” — John Calipari (15:40)
• On pitching philosophy:
  “I would take the 95 with movement… I can pitch with that and be able to move it around the plate.” — CC Sabathia (27:07)
• Re: Ohtani:
  “I think he already is the greatest of all time… he’s one of the best hitters, one of the best pitchers in the league…” — CC Sabathia (34:16)
• On the Sorsby gambling injunction:
  “Don’t put his gambling addiction and rehab in front as a shield because if he wasn’t a great college player, you wouldn’t be doing this.” — Dan Patrick (42:54)
• College sports big business:
  “What decision has been made in the last five years for the betterment of the game itself? Everything is selfish.” — Dan Patrick (43:41)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• Poll Question & Show Setup: 02:11–03:46
• John Calipari on Finals & NBA Coaching: 04:20–07:17
• Social Media, Gambling, and NCAA Direction: 07:17–15:59
• Most Important Player & Recruiting War Stories: 16:03–18:45
• CC Sabathia on Knicks Fandom & Sports Culture: 24:50–26:33
• Pitch Velocity Debate & Rivera’s Cutter: 27:07–29:29
• Tommy John Surgery & Youth Baseball: 31:15–32:53
• Ohtani’s Greatness & Two-Way Play: 33:20–34:54
• Sabathia’s MLB Hitting Stories & Health Advocacy: 35:01–36:31
• Brendan Sorsby/NCAA Gambling Scandal: 42:00–48:52

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Tone & Style

The episode is playful, candid, and insightful. Dan leads with wit, Calipari offers passionate defenses of his players and profession, while Sabathia brings honesty and humility. The discussion is high-energy, alternating between technical sports insights, moral debates about the direction of college sports, and personal storytelling.

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Summary Takeaway

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show is an engaging blend of nostalgia, candid sports analysis, and topical debate. John Calipari decries excessive negativity and calls for a return to joy and perspective in sports fandom, while also revealing coaching and recruiting philosophies. CC Sabathia provides a rare inside look at celebrity sports culture, the craft of pitching, and what sets generational talents like Ohtani apart. Dan’s fierce commentary on the Brendan Sorsby injunction starkly critiques the current state of big-money college sports, laying bare the self-interest and legal maneuvering now central to the NCAA.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 in this meet Friday. It's a busy show. John Caliperi, the Arkansas head coach, will stop by. He was in the Garden on Wednesday night. So is CC Sabathia, the Cy Young Winter hall of Famer. He'll stop by a little bit later on Kirk Herb Street. He was in who wasn't in the Garden on Wednesday night. Herbie will join us a little bit later on as well. The Hurricanes over The Golden Knights up three two series goes back to Vegas as they win at four two. Nick spurs game five will be Saturday at 8:30 Eastern on ABC. And the spurs right now, five and a half point favorites. Eight, seven seven, three, DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show it is a meat Friday. Chef Greg from Rec Tech is here whipping up a batch. Dylan, would you give us the menu today?

[Dylan]

I will, Dan. We got brisket and boudin cigars, egg rolls, brisket, Philly Pete sandwich, which is a essentially using pizza dough as a sandwich, as the bread.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Dylan]

And smoked beef back ribs.

[Dan Patrick]

Who has it better than we do?

[John Calipari]

Nobody.

[Dan Patrick]

We say good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner NBC Sports Network or our radio affiliates, including iHeartRadio Fox Sports Radio Poll question for hour two is going to be what? Then we'll get to Coach Calipari.

[Dylan]

Paulie actually sent this one over. You can have free tickets to one of these. The NBA finals, the Stanley cup final

[Dan Patrick]

or the World Cup. World Cup.

[Dylan]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. He said that quickly. Well, I've done the other ones. Oh, I haven't done a World cup. So. Yeah.

[CC Sabathia]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Team USA versus Paraguay coming up later on today. All righty. He is Arkansas head coach. He won a national championship back in 2012. Three time Naismith College coach of the year. Well, look at all the awards that he's got. And he was in the Garden for game four wearing a suit as if you were coaching the game. How did you end up at the Garden on Wednesday?

[John Calipari]

Come on now. You know Carl Towns is in that game. De' Aaron Fox is in that game. Kelvin Johnson's in that game. I can call Leon and Wes and say, hey, boys, I need a ticket. And you know, they were a little steep. They were expensive.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, you had to buy them?

[John Calipari]

No, I bet they were expensive.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay. Well, I'm just going to feel bad that you had to spend money to see your former players. But you did show up like you were ready to coach in a game. When's the last time you thought about coaching in the NBA? Or you were broached about coaching in the NBA?

[John Calipari]

Yeah, no, I, my path, I ran this path. And, and when everybody asked me about decisions in the NBA, this, this game and that game. And I want to talk about some of this stuff today because it's driving me crazy. But I have to remind Everybody I coached the Nets and they fired me. So why are you asking me what I would do in an NBA game? But you know, no, that game, I gotta tell you, that game, what's driving me crazy, I heard the guy get on before I jumped on here and say, you know, this is the worst. He must add money on the game. Because if you're watching that, just as a fan, that's pure enjoyment now. Well, I was so excited about. We're in New York. The fans did not boo the Knicks at all one time during that game. Now, they boot the officials and they got on pretty hard, but they didn't. All they were there was to give them a chance and to pick them up. And even down, when we all went down in the. The dugout after at halftime, all the fans down there, all those stars that I was like, taken aback from, they were all still into the game. It was a great sight to see. And I'm just telling everybody, instead of picking it apart, each player, how about we just enjoy what's happening? Because this may be one of the better finals ever and we're able to sit there and join it, some of us lucky enough to be in the building. Now, how many people will say they were at game four, 20 years from now? 10 million. I was at the game. I was at the game. Well, you weren't at the game. There was only 20,000 there.

[Dan Patrick]

But, coach, you can say I was at the Garden. That doesn't mean you were in the Garden. So you're going to have people who are probably semantics. I was at the Garden that night. And nobody can refute that.

[John Calipari]

That's true. That figures. You'd come up with something.

[Dan Patrick]

Of course.

[John Calipari]

Yeah, because you'll be one of those guys. But go ahead.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Are you new to social media that we don't pick apart players and the team and the moments? What are you talking about here?

[John Calipari]

All right, so here's my point. And as I go through this, I say this, but this is the life we chose, and you're going to get the other side of it.

[Dan Patrick]

Sure.

[John Calipari]

But let me say this. De' Aaron Fox. Stop on de' Aaron Fox. He's playing with the high ankle sprain, probably shouldn't be playing. He would normally dunk that layup. Dunk that layup if he would have dunked it. He's the hero, the greatest thing that. And now he's the biggest goat. And he made he. Well, what about other guys in the game? What would have happened to Josh if he missed that dunk? And they had lost. I mean, it's so you can't. How about they want to get on Mitch, who I think is doing a great job with a young team. Okay. Ronnie Harper son is the real deal.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[John Calipari]

I did not realize how good he was until I sat there and watched him.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you recruit him?

[John Calipari]

I couldn't. He was going to Rutgers the whole time. I tried.

[Dan Patrick]

You couldn't afford him.

[John Calipari]

No, they were. They were paying big at that time. No, not really. They. He was going there from day one. I don't know why. He was from near there or something. But anyway. Okay, so now Mitch runs an out of bounds play. The last play with 1.2. Whatever. The guy is wide open. They're going to win the game. And Carl Town gets his little pinky and deflects it where the kid has to reach down to go get the ball and they win the game. You could do everything right and lose. And you're right, it's the life you chose. You're going to get crap. But the three that Jalen made, how about the step back that Carl made into their bench for a three? I'm like, what am I watching?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but we were seeing mistakes, Coach. And if you were coaching, you would told. You would have told Darren Fox that the points aren't important. It's getting, you know, time off the clock. That's the most important. But two points doesn't win the game.

[John Calipari]

Depends on how you coach. Sometimes I'm saying there's three minutes in a game and we're up. Whatever. I'll say we're four baskets away. They can't catch us. That's another way of coaching. We get four more buckets. They can't catch us. There's not enough time. And so sometimes when you play defense in football, what do they call it? You're like, okay, let's really prevent defense. No, it prevents you from winning. Yeah, how about if he dribbled it out and got fouled? How about Wemby missed two free throws?

[Dan Patrick]

I agree, I agree.

[John Calipari]

These are so you're. Yeah, but that's not the. Let me tell you this. In the first half, they were so good. They were going to have 80, 80 points at halftime. And I'm sitting. There's nothing you can do. What are you going to get on Mike? You know the greatest thing Mike did? Mike Brown left Alvarado in. He left them in. When Alvarado made that shot, I'm like, my thought is probably need to take him out now. He helped you. Now let's go. Mike left him in. He makes another shot. He makes a basket.

[Listener/Caller]

He goes.

[John Calipari]

And I'm like, saying, so some of this is your gut, some of it is a bounce of the ball. But here's again, Dan, are you in Maine right now?

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, no, no. I'm at the home bandcamp.

[John Calipari]

Okay, so how about just toes up, watch the game. But problem is, there's Benny, and that drives everything to another level. That guy probably lost a grand and he wants to kill somebody. We should have won. I could have won five grand and I lost. You know, I take that out. I'm not even, you know, I'm not worried. I'm watching the game, thinking, I just watched one of the great games of all time. I sat next to Adam Sandler and his wife Jackie, who were great. Chris Rock. Yeah. I went up. I'm standing there, and John McEnroe is walking by me, and he looks at me and I shake his hand. I said, I'm John Caliper. He said, I know you are, Coach. I don't know who knows me, who doesn't know me, but the sc all this stuff. But the fans never booed.

[Dan Patrick]

Never left either.

[John Calipari]

It's a. Come on, now, you've been to New York stuff. I don't care if it's the Yankees, the Giants, the jets, the Mets. You'll get booed, like, in a second. These people are so. You know what it is? It's. They're all in this together. You could feel it in building. It was crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

He's the hall of Fame coach John Calipari joining us on the program. Did you recruit Jalen Brunson?

[John Calipari]

Great story. He played in West Virginia in a tournament. And I'm watching him saying, this kid's really good. Already going to Villanova. What? He committed to Villanova.

[Dan Patrick]

What?

[John Calipari]

I get Jay Wright. I'm watching a kid with Jay Wright on the phone. I say, jay, I see this kid down here. It's down to you and us now because I'm recruiting the shit out of this kid. And Jay and I bust out laughing. I even called him the other day, and I said, jay, you got three guys that won you two national titles, are ready to win a world championship. And again, we talked about Kat and we talked about Dear Fox. What about Kelvin Johnson? Kelvin Johnson is six man of the Year, allowed step back from being a starter so he could be one of these guys. I mean, and for him, Jay and me to sit there and watch all this stuff, Nothing makes you prouder when you're watching and he's going to defend his guy. Look, Jalen threw a ball away that almost cost him a game. He got a little trapped. He looked away and threw it. Josh gave up an offensive rebound. That was going to be the game. He missed a breakaway dunk. But you know what? Jay would defend his guys and I'm going to defend mine. I mean I think they all three played well. One's playing with a bad ankle. But I'll come back to it is the life we chose.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. How, how aware are you of the point spread for your games at Arkansas?

[John Calipari]

Never. Don't want to know.

[Dan Patrick]

But it's always there. It's omnipresent. Coach.

[John Calipari]

So. So I had a guy when I was at Kentucky, I had a guy that would be with us and he knew that I knew he knew the point spread and if we were going to a game and he would say it's 18, I was so happy I'd sit back because those summer guns aren't wrong. They're like, oh, I know they're not wrong. But if we're going to a game and I'm thinking, yeah, we're double digit here. And if I asked him and he said, yeah, it's a 4.4 points. What. How's it only. Oh, shit. They know something we don't know. So that's why I don't want to know either way. Yeah. I don't. I'm not, I'm not looking at it. Thinking about it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I just, I look at the authority of the ncaa. I don't. Do they have authority when it comes.

[John Calipari]

Not now.

[CC Sabathia]

No.

[John Calipari]

No. And I. Hey, look, the stuff. This has gotten away from us. Do I think putting the government involved in our business is going to work? Probably not. Who wants the government involved? But we're at a point at least short term, a two year anti. Just two years for us to get stuff away from the courts. How do we make whatever these lawsuits are go to federal court, not state because state has. We're going to let him play.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[John Calipari]

I don't care what he did. Well, he rose Texas out. Couldn't do this. This guy's out. Yeah. We're going to have this guy one game penalty. What. But it's in state court, it's not federal and so that kind of stuff. But yeah, we need help right now. Would I hope that we wouldn't need government.

[Paulie]

Yeah.

[John Calipari]

But I'm in this. We cannot leave college sports the way it is. Another year cannot. So whatever we do, we got to do something. Whether it's the bill that's out there right now, whether it's a scaled back for a two year reprieve, I don't know. But we need to do something.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, I need an answer on this last question. Okay.

[John Calipari]

What year did you miss those layups in our gym? Did you play for Don Hurt? Did you play for him at Dayton? Right.

[Dan Patrick]

Coach was there when I was there.

[John Calipari]

He was an assistant there then.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, he was head coach.

[John Calipari]

I was gonna say no.

[Dan Patrick]

I didn't miss any layups at UMass.

[John Calipari]

Yes, you did.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no. So bad.

[John Calipari]

I said, who? They said, he. He does the radio stuff.

[Dan Patrick]

This is an ncaa.

[John Calipari]

And I said, hey, you are crazy. How can he talk basketball? He can't make layups. How does that work?

[Dan Patrick]

This is an NCAA violation because you're lying right now. If I put you under oath, would you have said what you just said?

[John Calipari]

Coach, I would have pled the fifth.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Okay. I want an answer. Okay. Promise me you will give me an answer on this. A name. Okay. Promise. Yeah. Okay. Give me the most important player for whether it was at Kentucky. Well, let's say Kentucky. Who was the most important player you had at Kentucky? Not. Best most important player.

[John Calipari]

I. Well, let me say this.

[Dan Patrick]

And you can even do Memphis if

[John Calipari]

you want to mention some names.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[John Calipari]

Darius Acuff should be a top four, maybe even way better, maybe one or two in this draft. Malik Thomas should be in this first round. And because of what the Knicks did, where they're playing veteran guys that went to college for four years, you got OG he went for a couple years. Carl's the only one that went one year. But he's been in the league seven years, though. That's giving Trevin Brazil a second look like, hey, we need to take a guy that's been in college four years and do what the Knicks did. And then my guy, Darius and Malik, as young kids, someone's getting a good player. Does that answer your question?

[Dan Patrick]

No, because I think Marcus Camby is probably the most important player a two year career.

[John Calipari]

How does a guy lead like him lead UMass? We were top 20, but when he came, we became number one in the country. He is a top 50 player in high school, in our college, in the history of our game, he's the top 50. They can name all these guys. What he did at UMass, he's the top 50 player and the greatest guy. To this day, he and I still stay in touch and I thank him for what he did for my career because by us getting him help my

[CC Sabathia]

career

[John Calipari]

screw up even more.

[Dan Patrick]

And back then, you couldn't pay people above board, so you had to pay them under the table.

[John Calipari]

You know how I recruited him? When I went in, he said. I said, what do you want to be? He said, I want to be a shooting guard. He's 6 11. You want to be a shooting guard?

[CC Sabathia]

And.

[John Calipari]

But we really needed this guy. And so I said, well, listen, I'm not going to lie to you. If you want to be a shooting guard, I'm gonna let you be a shooting guard. Now, I then followed up with. But we do post our shooting guards a lot, just so you know.

[Dan Patrick]

Great to talk to you. Enjoy the rest of the basketball and thanks again.

[John Calipari]

Hey, let's just cheer these guys on and enjoy.

[Dan Patrick]

Of course. Yeah. Mr. Positive. No. Yeah. John Caliperi. Mr. Positive. Thank you, coach.

[John Calipari]

All right, thanks.

[Dan Patrick]

That's John Caliperi, hall of famer, Mr. Positivity. When it comes to his players, all the other stuff we can be negative about, he's always entertaining. All right, take a break. We'll settle on our poll question. CC Sabathia will join us. I did want to talk to him about this. I want to know. You know what? I'll just wait. I got a lot of questions. One has to do with does he think Ohtani is the greatest player of all time? And I want to talk about all of these pitchers. You know, Mizarowski is throwing 103 and it's nothing. Where are we headed? So Cece Sabathia will join us next. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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[CC Sabathia]

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[Dan Patrick]

Paulie goes John Calipari blew right by that comment that you were talking about with Marcus Camby. You know, back then you couldn't pay him above board. You were paying him under the table. He didn't even bite on it. He was like moved on right from that. Yeah, Paul, you meant like the royal

[Paulie]

you like everybody in college?

[Dan Patrick]

Something like that? Something like that. CC Sabathia, hall of Famer, World Series champ in 09. Had a chance to spend some time with him a couple of days ago. He's got a podcast. It's on Peacock MLB according to CC, Wednesday at 5 Eastern on Peacock NBC Sports now also available as a podcast. He was there on Wednesday night and I started my conversation by asking him, are you a die hard Knicks fan?

[CC Sabathia]

No, I'm just, I'm regional with basketball. I'm a die hard Raider. So I take so much abuse in the fall that by the wintertime, whoever's winning the basketball, I just roll with that squad. So I got lucky this year. It was the Knicks. So I got to go to the Garden.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but when you were playing in New York with the Yankees, how often would you go to a Knicks game?

[CC Sabathia]

Oh, I went all the time. I went all the time because I gave up my, my Warrior season tickets by then. Because when I was in, when I was still in Cleveland, I had Warrior season tickets. So I would go to the games in the off season. Then I had to give those up when we moved here full time. So I started going to the Garden.

[Dan Patrick]

Who would you sit next to? Like celebrities?

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, I mean, I sat next to Tracy Morgan. I sat next to Spike before Chris Rock, John Stewart, the whole, the whole, the whole game.

[Dan Patrick]

What about Yankee teammates that came to the games?

[CC Sabathia]

Judge came to the games with me a couple of times. I had teammate Ben Francisco came with me a couple of times. And then like we would, we would get suites. If all of us were going, we would get like a big suite to go to the game. But we've always supported the Knicks.

[Dan Patrick]

But when you Played with the Yankees. How often or how aware were you of celebrities there?

[CC Sabathia]

Oh, you. You know, you know who's there. Like when Lauren, Michael's sitting back there or whoever else is sitting back there. Like, you know who's. Who's in the house. And, like, people pay attention to that for sure.

[Dan Patrick]

But they come.

[CC Sabathia]

Especially in New York, but they come

[Dan Patrick]

down on the field, pre game, depending

[CC Sabathia]

on who it was. But. But even if they were just sitting, like, right there in Legends back there.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[CC Sabathia]

I mean, you could. You could see who was. Who was there, so we were always paying attention to that.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you acknowledge them?

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, if. If you. If you. If you were good enough, you could acknowledge them

[Dan Patrick]

when you're winning. It helps everything.

[CC Sabathia]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

I was curious about this when Fritzy said, hey, you want to get CC on? And that is, would you rather throw 95 but you had movement? Or let's say you're throwing 103 like Jacob Misarowski, and maybe it's just 103, but straight.

[CC Sabathia]

I would take the 95 with movement just because I feel like I can. I can pitch with that and be able to kind of move it around the plate. I mean, even.

[John Calipari]

Even if.

[CC Sabathia]

I mean, if it depends on the 100, 104. Right. Or the 103. Like Mizarowski, I think is his trouble before this year was that he didn't throw enough strikes. I think in the last six weeks, just throwing the ball over the plate, he throws so hard that even if you own time, you foul it off. Foul it off a couple times, they didn't get to his breaking ball. So I think it's just about being able. Whatever. Whatever you can throw for a strike is what you should throw. So if Miz could throw 103, but he can't throw that for a strike, then maybe he should throw 98 so that he can throw strikes and kind of move the ball around the plate and be able to pitch a little bit. So I think the biggest thing that you're seeing in his. And the difference in what he's doing now is that he's actually just throwing the ball over the plate. He had four walks in all of maybe. You know what I'm saying? So that. Right. I mean, him just, like, literally attacking offenses. I mean, with him being able to throw that hard, it's. I mean, there's really nothing you can do.

[Dan Patrick]

Mark Grace once told me, he said, we'll catch up to a fastball like you. You can throw it like, we'll.

[John Calipari]

We'll.

[Dan Patrick]

We'll hit a fastball. It's the other stuff that we have trouble with you.

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, even if you look at like Mo. Mo through one pitch his whole career, and everybody kind of knew which way it was going or felt like they had a beat on it, and he's the greatest pitcher of all time. You know what I mean? So, so if, if you can make the ball move and get it off the barrel a little bit, it's so hard to hit even if you know what's coming. Because people, people felt like they knew what Mariano was going to throw and still couldn't get to him.

[Dan Patrick]

Was that teachable, that pitch?

[CC Sabathia]

It's teachable. Yes, it's teachable. You could throw a cutter, but you can't throw it like him. You know what I'm saying? Like, why he taught me how to throw that. And that's, that's the cutter I threw at the end of my career. Same one Billy Connors taught him, taught Andy Pettit. All, Every, every Yankee learned that cutter from Billy. But Mose is just different. Like, you play catch with them, it moves late, moves different. I've seen him hit people in the chest with it. I've seen them hit people in the face with it. Like, and he's telling them it's coming. So, yes, you, I mean, you can learn the grip and you can learn the philosophy of, like, where to throw it, but nothing's going to be like his.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but if. Is that the most unhittable pitch in the history of baseball?

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, and I think it's because everybody knew it was coming, like, for 20 years, you know what he's throwing? I mean, he started throwing a two seamer at the end, maybe like the last three years, but for 17 years straight. I mean, in the playoffs, everything. He's pitching in the biggest moments, and people feel like they know what's coming and still can't get him on the bear.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, what other pitch would be like,

[CC Sabathia]

Phil Nekro's knuckleball was like Johan Santana's change up.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, my goodness, his change up was.

[CC Sabathia]

Was. I mean, it was off the chart. He would throw that thing right down the middle, you know what I'm saying?

[Dan Patrick]

Like, if you guessed. Yeah, if you guessed right. Yeah.

[CC Sabathia]

It's so good that he's just throwing it right down the middle. That's how

[Dan Patrick]

Harold. Harold Reynolds showed me a video. He, he said, I'm going to show you a side by side of Johan Santana's release point Fastball change up. It was exactly the same.

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

He said, now imagine being at the plate and you got to decide is he throwing a fastball or a change up. I mean, he said that it was impossible to tell.

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, you literally have to guess. You got to pick one. And like you said, it looked exactly the same. And the arm speed that he, that he threw it with, I think it helped all. I mean, I know it helped me just watching him be able to throw it as hard as he could, it helped me be able to, like, trust that I can throw this thing as hard as I can. And it's gonna. The grip is gonna take the speed off and the seams are going to make the ball move. So having a chance to, like, watch him up close for so long in that division definitely helped me with my change up.

[Dan Patrick]

CC Sabathia, hall of Famer, World Series champ in 09 with the Yankees. Tommy John surgery feels almost a rite of passage. It's inevitable for these pitchers now.

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, it seems that way. I mean, even younger, right. Guys are coming to baseball with. With Tommy John's at this point, and

[Dan Patrick]

I, I tell the story that I have a physical therapist. He said he had two different parents who came to him and said, can you help us get Tommy John surgery? And their, their sons were. One was 14, one was 15. They were getting it before they needed Tommy John's surgery.

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, I mean, that's what they try to do to get the rehab to be able to. To throw harder. Like, people just assume. Well, I mean, even now, too, like, kids are pos. Which are pitchers only, which I don't understand. Like, the funnest part about playing baseball is being able to play the field. Like, who just wants to pitch your whole life, you know what I'm saying? So it's even. It's even weird to see that. But, yeah, I mean, the guys that are pos that feel like they want to pitch, you know, in college or, you know, maybe in the pros, they feel like, you know, there's only so many throws in your arm, and at some point you're gonna have to have Tommy John. I never had Tommy John. I was always on pitch counts, even as a young, As a young kid, my dad had me on pitch counts, made sure I only threw once a week, all these different things. So my arm was pretty healthy up until, you know, my last year. But I just think people try to get ahead of it now where, you know, they feel like if a guy's gonna throw this much or a kid's Gonna throw this much. Let's go ahead, get the surgery out of the way and you know, try to, try to see if he can get to the big leagues. But yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, guys now are coming to pro ball with one Tommy John already and they may be having two while they're, while they're playing.

[Dan Patrick]

Ohtani's had the surgery and he's had a procedure, but I wonder how many imitators is he going to create in five years, 10 years that we do let somebody hit and pitch if they're like, Skeens was a great hitter in Air Force Academy. I mean, he was a power hitter. I'm surprised that the Pirates wouldn't say, hey, why don't we do get this novelty with skiings and get him out there more often.

[CC Sabathia]

Absolutely. Oregon Jack Haglio, right? Like he went to Florida, he's a first rounder for Kansas City. He can do both. I mean, but even, like, there's always guys that could do both, right? I feel, I heard Dave Winfield was a great pitcher in college and, you know, was able to, to kind of do both. I would have thought by now it would be way more guys, you know, with, with at least the opportunity to hit and pitch. But even just seeing how good Caglio was in college doing both and then them just kind of turning him into a hitter, seems like, you know, it is just, you know, this one off with Shohei, you know, the greatest baseball player of all time and he's the only one that gets the, you know, can do it on this level. So I, I mean, I, hopefully there are more, more guys that can do this. I don't think anybody's gonna be able to do it on the level that he's doing it, but there's definitely guys that can, you know, do both.

[Dan Patrick]

Wait, you think he's going to be the greatest player of all time? I think he already is the greatest of all time.

[CC Sabathia]

Who's better?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I, I mean, Babe did. I mean, he won 92 games as his starter and then you hit.700 and.

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, that was a different time though. Now he's playing in an era where this is the biggest, fastest, strongest era that we've ever seen. And he's the fastest. He's the biggest. He's the best. I mean, you know, you combine them. He's, he's one of the best hitters in the league and he's one of the best pitchers in the league. And to be able to do it in this era, I think you know, my goat to me is Barry Bonds. Like, I'll never. You know, he's always number one, but Barry can't go on. Throw seven. Shut out any Paulie.

[Dan Patrick]

Paulie, do you. Do you have CC's hitting stance?

[Paulie]

Yeah. For his career, CeCe hit.207.

[CC Sabathia]

Three home runs, 15 RBI.

[Paulie]

Dan, no steals.

[CC Sabathia]

You know, I had a higher batting average until, like, those last three years, and I was like, I was just trying to, like, hold on to, like, that.257 sounds so bad. I was hitting like.250 to those last three years.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, who did you homer off of? Since it's only three, you got to remember.

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah, I hit a homer of Homer Bailey, Chanho park, and Elizaro Ramirez. Those are the three guys.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you get those home run balls back?

[CC Sabathia]

Well, Griffey, the first one I hit, he threw it back in the stand, so I only have the bat from that ball. I don't. I don't. From that game. I don't have the ball. And yeah, I got the other two back, but, yeah, Griffey. Griffey threw the ball back in the stands.

[Dan Patrick]

Why?

[CC Sabathia]

He was like. With a swing like that. No way.

[Dan Patrick]

That was your home run. I knew you're doing some great things with Playing with Heart. Can you explain that to the audience, what you're doing?

[CC Sabathia]

Yeah. Playing with Heart is a. Is a campaign that, you know, I'm here to represent, you know, just to help adults understand, you know, bad cholesterol. Their cholesterol number 2018. I had a stint put in my heart, and, you know, it changed my life. So, you know, if I can be here to try to help somebody and, you know, understand and talk to their physician to understand, you know, there might be, you know, underlying things that. That. That go on with you that you can't see or you can't feel. But if you go and check your cholesterol, you may be able to get ahead of them.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. It's called Playing with Heart. And collaboration with nine teams, the Yankees, Giants, Red Sox, Phillies, Braves, Cardinals, Astros, Padres, and the Angels. The focus is simple, and that's urgent. Know what your cholesterol number? Yes. Great to see you again. Thanks for joining us. Always. And we'll talk to you soon.

[CC Sabathia]

Sounds good.

[Dan Patrick]

CC Sabathia, he has a podcast on Peacock, MLB according to CC and Wednesdays at 5pm Eastern and NBC now available as a podcast. He's really good. I don't know if he knows how good he is, but when these guys tell stories and. Or sometimes you jar their memory. Like the fact that Griffey wouldn't give him the home run ball because he had such a lame home run swing. They're like, no, no, no, you don't get to keep that as a keepsake. We'll take a break. We'll get to more phone calls right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports

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[Dylan]

That feels almost like a direct shot at me.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, no. You do a great job. Oh, is this the back row? I need a little pat on the back. Yeah, that'd be nice. It was kind of contagious there with you and Fritzi.

[Dylan]

Something's contagious back here.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd goes, you know, I did book five guests today. I go, yeah, and I think we

[CC Sabathia]

had five guests yesterday too. I don't know. I gotta check the math of it.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow, five plus five. Are we gonna do this every day?

[CC Sabathia]

No, there are days where we've had no guests.

[John Calipari]

Okay, one guest.

[Dan Patrick]

But, you know, I. I still have to make magic.

[CC Sabathia]

You do.

[Dan Patrick]

You get the guest. That's just the start. It's meaningless.

[CC Sabathia]

You have to interview them and get something interesting out of them. Anyone could just pull guests out.

[Dan Patrick]

But you don't have to pull me to the side and go, hey, five guests. And I go, okay.

[CC Sabathia]

Just thought, I need a little extra acknowledgment. It was a little extra special this week.

[Dan Patrick]

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[CC Sabathia]

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[John Calipari]

Hey, guys.

[Dan Patrick]

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[John Calipari]

I just want to bring up that Sourcebee case. There's, there's a lot of bad stuff going on in NCAA college coaches poaching other players, transfer port. Oh, there's like, they're all, they're all in. But I feel that right now with this case that they all can come together, that there's a line that you don't cross and that's gambling. I feel bad for the kid. There's other ways he can get out. I go play football again. But it shouldn't be in college sports. It should set a tone.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I think, and what I'm being told by a source, they're hoping that this kind of bubbles up. Where Brendan Soares goes into the supplemental draft, and I think the deadline for that is June 23, that he would have to declare for the supplemental draft. I don't see it that way. And look, this is just business. We can get, you know, rid of the, oh, you know, this is altruistic. We want to take care of this. This child. Don't put his gambling addiction and rehab in front as a shield because if he wasn't a great college player, you wouldn't be doing this. He's a great player. He's in the transfer portal. You got him. A judge ruled two game suspension for gambling. This is on the judge. Texas Tech is saying, hey, you know what I mean? We went through the legal process. He went through the legal process. We're going to take a shot with this. All right, I understand that. And if he was at Kansas State or some other school, they would be doing the same thing. I know that we can all be like, oh, you know, for the betterment of the game. What decision has been made in the last five years for the betterment of the game itself? Everything is selfish. Everybody. I mean, they, they did tighten the transfer portal, but they had to. So, you know, we, we want these philanthropic decisions. They're not happening. This is big business. Brendan Sorsby is going to be able to play according to a judge. Now, do I think it's wrong? Yes, it's gambling. I don't care if you, you were betting on your team. You got information you were Betting on your team. Did you share that information? Did you bet against your team? What did Cincinnati know about this kid's gambling issue? And they didn't do anything. Now he goes to Texas Tech. Did Texas Tech know about this? So there's, there's a lot of guilty parties here, finger pointing, all of that. I don't like it. I have given you the warning signs. I've given you the ugly side of gambling and what it can lead to. And it's 18 to 24 year olds and he's got nil money. He has an addiction problem. You know what, you can't sit here and go, you know what? We are fully behind him. We don't want this to have irreparable harm on him if he doesn't get to play football. Remember we were told that. Irreparable harm. Well, you suspended for two games. Is there any irreparable harm for being suspended for two games? How about you don't suspend him for anything if that's the way you're gonna go. Like, let's not make a mockery of it. You know what? He served his punishment. He's not going to be able to play against Abilene Christian and Oregon State. That'll teach him. He'll learn his lesson. Two games doesn't change anything. And if you're going to go all in on it, don't suspend him any games.

[John Calipari]

But

[Dan Patrick]

it's business, always. Understand? Bottom line business. Are they gonna, are they gonna be around this kid the rest of his life? I mean, is Texas Tech going to fully embrace him because they're worried about irreparable harm? You know, he's going to be one of ours for a year. Okay? I hope you're around him the rest of his life, take care of him. Because that's certainly the inference you're giving me. We're gonna, we're gonna be there. We're like a seat belt for you. We're always gonna have your back. Yes.

[Paulie]

And if this happens, going forward with the third string linebacker at Texas Tech, you'll go to court, you'll back him

[John Calipari]

up, you completely back him.

[Paulie]

Because that's. It's about caring for the kids in their future.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. And any other school these kids can now say that's going to cause irreparable harm. There's precedent here. That's what makes me nervous. There's precedent here. But hey, this is college football. You got schools that are spending $40 million on their football rosters. Okay? And here's the thing. You Never have to apologize for winning. Okay. Urban Meyer at Florida, you know, we got a couple of guys that are kind of shaky. I don't know, somebody shot somebody, big deal. We won. Yeah. Yeah, you did. Michigan. Yeah. I don't know what he was doing on the sideline. Might have been something nefarious there, but we won a national title. That is the great bath that you can take. It gets rid of everything. It's a cleanse. Texas Tech, if they win, I would make him bet his 5 million dollar nil on Texas Tech to win the national title.

[Dylan]

I think that's a great idea.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I'm just joking. Yes, Dylan.

[Dylan]

I was actually looking, funnily enough, at the betting lines for Big 12 games. Texas Tech is nowhere to be found at the moment.

[Dan Patrick]

And these other schools saying, oh, we're not going to play Texas Tech. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. I know. Yeah. Hey, we're not. Because you don't want to put yourself in a position to be under the microscope with some of the things that might be going on at your university. Yeah, Dylan, also, it's like if you

[Dylan]

went to Sarkeesian or whatever and Texas was going to play Texas Tech and you were like, hey, the quarterback might be shaving points on the other team. Do you want to play them? He's like, so it's going to be even easier to win.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. I'd love to ask this judge, hey, if Texas Tech opened with Texas, say, in Cowboy Stadium, are you going to suspend him for the first two games of the regular season? Including that game?

[Dylan]

We're going to suspend him for the second two games of this year.

[Dan Patrick]

You got to teach him a lesson. Yes, Paul, It'd be a great question.

[Paulie]

Did the judge look at the Tech football schedule before he made his ruling? Because there'd be no reason to.

[Dan Patrick]

And third game is Houston, which is a legitimate game for them, but he'll be back in time. Wes, Kirk Herbstreet about this. Herbie will join us and we'll talk some soccer as well. Former USA goalkeeper Brad Kazan. I am going in to the confessional. If you're watching On Peacock, I'm U.S.

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