Dan Patrick (2:36)

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Marvin Harrison (2:48)

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour two on this Wednesday. The great Ernie Johnson will join us. Coming up a little bit, phone calls. More of those on the way. Settle on a poll question for hour two. Make sure you go to danpatrick.com clearance sale. You can pick up a lot of great items. Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. I had a conversation yesterday with somebody now in the first hour, I mentioned I have a source and I was trying to get information about the Cleveland Browns. And either he didn't know or he wasn't going to spill anything because I said, what are you doing with the number two pick now that Russ has signed with the Giant? In fact, when I was talking to him, I said, what about Russ? And he goes, well, he just signed with the Giants. I go, okay, so he's not going to the Cleveland Browns. This is during the phone call. Then I go, okay, what are you doing? Like you're going to take Abdul Carter, you're going to put him with Miles Garrett. Would you take Shador Sanders? But Deion let his son go to Cleveland. Boy, it makes a lot of sense if Cleveland really likes Shador Sanders. Now all of a sudden rookie contract for your quarterback and it eases the financial pain of what you stupidly paid desean Watson. He wasn't giving me anything. I said, what about Kirk Cousins? After the draft, would you take Kirk Cousins? Maybe. Well, he'd have to be healthy and it would cost us a draft pick. All right. Couldn't get anything. Crickets. And then you look what the Giants are doing with Russ and Jameis Winston. Are they going to still take Shador Sanders? You know, I went the first hour without mentioning the Aaron Rodgers part of the equation, but it is real. It's either Pittsburgh or retirement. That's what it feels like. And I thought it was Minnesota or retirement, but he did go there for six hours last Friday, as everybody knows. And what is he waiting for now? I. If he doesn't want to give an answer till after the draft and the Steelers are fine with that, I'm fine with it. Like, it is my job to cover it. Do I wish it happened sooner? Yeah, content. But if it's his time frame and the Steelers time frame and they're fine with both of that, you know, parts of the equation, then I am. All right, who cares? You know, a member of the media whining about something, all right, I'll survive. But you do want to be ahead of the game, trying to figure out, okay, if he goes there, what's it mean? How long is he going to go there for? Would they still take a quarterback in the draft? You know, so there's a lot of different things in there. Cam Ward, it feels like he has cemented himself as the number one overall pick. I'm guessing Tennessee does take him. I thought the Giants would try to move up. Cleveland probably doesn't want to move up. They'll be fine at 2. They need help. And you could get Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and if you truly loved Shador Sanders, you take him. But you start to look at these quarterbacks and we, we pump them up because they're the next wave of quarterbacks. And I was curious when we had Matt Miller, the great draft expert for the mothership, on recently, I said, where would Cam Ward be with last year's quarterback class?

Ernie Johnson (6:09)

If we were talking about last year's.

Dan Patrick (6:11)

Drafts, Cam Ward would have been the sixth or seventh guy drafted, probably at.

Ernie Johnson (6:15)

Quarterback, not overall at quarterback.

Marvin Harrison (6:17)

And that might still make you a top 10 pick, right, because those guys.

Dan Patrick (6:20)

Flew off the board last year.

Marvin Harrison (6:21)

But I do think he's being elevated.

Dan Patrick (6:23)

It is interesting, both quarterbacks, Sanders and Ward, they have some bad habits that are going to need coached out of them. Cam Wards kind of get dismissed because he has a strong arm.

Marvin Harrison (6:34)

So that's Matt Miller, draft analyst for the mothership of where these quarterbacks would be. I think that's the general consensus is Cam Ward would be after Bo Nicks. J.J. mcCarthy is still, you know, front and center for the Minnesota Vikings. And he was asked on whether or not he's the starting quarterback in Minnesota.

Dan Patrick (6:56)

We as a fan base or even media found out like, you're the guy, the. The guy recently. When did you know?

Marvin Harrison (7:03)

When did they tell you?

Dan Patrick (7:05)

Or when was that Message to you. They haven't told me and I'm happy.

Marvin Harrison (7:07)

They didn't because I try to earn.

Ernie Johnson (7:09)

It every single day.

Dan Patrick (7:10)

And I never want that to be given to me. And it's such a privilege and opportunity to give that. Give me that chance. And I'm just going to make the most of it every single day.

Marvin Harrison (7:19)

All right, that's with K. Adams up in Adams, J.J. mcCarthy. Look, it might be fake humility, but it's going over well in Minnesota. So you're looking at Aaron Rodgers and saying, I guess it's Pittsburgh. When is it going to be Pittsburgh? And what do they do in the draft? Because I don't know if you say, hey, we're going to bring in Aaron, but by the way, we're going to use our first round. You imagine if they use a first round draft pick, I think the 21st overall pick on Jackson Dart. So he would be with a team that uses their first round pick on another quarterback. Now do I think it makes sense for Pittsburgh? If you really think Jackson Dart can play, then it makes sense. I. I didn't know if it made sense in Green Bay at the time. I didn't think it made sense because Aaron was playing well. He went on his revenge tour. You've never gotten him a wide receiver in the first round. And now did it turn out to be the correct call? Yes, Green Bay makes a lot of correct calls. But at the time I thought. And even when we had Rogers on after the draft, I think that's when he decided that he was going to have a larger glass of tequila after he realized that Jordan Love. The packers have selected quarterback Jordan Love. Give me a little bit more tequila in there. All right. Seaton poll question, by the way. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner, we say good morning to our radio affiliates. What's the poll question for hour two? I can't believe there's this much support.

Dan Patrick (8:45)

For Jameis Winston, but that better pregame speech guy on the Giants right now.

Marvin Harrison (8:50)

Jameis Winston still has 90% of that vote. Yeah, odd that we came up with that, but we did think about who's going to motivate you in that Giants locker room when you get ready to go out and face the Eagles. Is it Jameis Winston or Russell Wilson? Let's ride.

Dan Patrick (9:07)

We're putting up there right now. Question Paulie sent over.

Marvin Harrison (9:10)

If you could put one into place. A hard salary cap in base, a.

Dan Patrick (9:14)

Return to the old transfer system in college sports.

Marvin Harrison (9:18)

Well, it's a little heavy. That's just what we do. Yeah. Not exactly light hearted sports radio conversation. Well, I went hour one. You can't get much more light hearted.

Dan Patrick (9:29)

Than Jameis Winston v. Russell Wilson.

Marvin Harrison (9:32)

I mean, so Russ goes to the Giants. You know, the Patriots got Stefan Diggs, which is. The Patriots have had a sneaky good off season. They have the fourth pick in the draft. Worst case scenario, they end up with Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter. That's not a bad consolation prize. You feel like you do have your quarterback. They had a whole lot of money to spend. They had salary cap money. And Drake May, I thought did a for a team that had nothing on offense. He made something with that team. And they have added some pieces. Offensive lineman, defensive lineman. Now you have the fourth pick in the draft. Stefan Diggs was on his way to the hall of Fame. He may still be on his way to the hall of Fame. But I just wonder about, you know, when you, he wasn't healthy, got banged up in Houston, you know, whatever happened in Buffalo where he, you know, he ended up in Houston. Now you end up in New England, still coming off surgery. But it, but if you look at what he did in Buffalo, here's the most 100 plus catch seasons in the first nine years of a career. Antonio Brown in six of his first nine years had over 100 catches with Pittsburgh. Stefan Diggs has had five, Brandon Marshall had five, Wes Welker had five, Devonte Adams four, DeAndre Hopkins four, Marvin Harrison four and Keenan Allen four. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Stat of the day.

Ernie Johnson (11:14)

Here comes that.

Marvin Harrison (11:16)

What?

Ernie Johnson (11:16)

Stat of the day.

Marvin Harrison (11:19)

Brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the DP show Antonio Brown was going to the hall of Fame. I don't think anybody had more catches over a five year window than he did, but he had six seasons. And look, I, I think when he got knocked out, concussed by Vontes perfect, I think it seemed to change him. And I think we've seen Antonio Brown is not a normal person. I don't know what that hit did to him, in my opinion. I always thought it just he seemed different after that, but I didn't know him. I think we've had him on once or twice. Maybe at the super bowl one time. Charismatic dude. But times have changed though. You know, when he freaked out, you know, left the building during a game, Stefan Diggs is, you know, he was in Minnesota. He wanted to have and get paid, have his moment. Got it in Buffalo. Then all of a sudden Buffalo seemed to be better, you know, by, you know, getting rid of Stefon Diggs. It's hard to say that about a Hall of Famer. Where you go, you know, the team got better because they got rid of a Hall of Fame caliber wide receiver. I, I don't know if any of these receivers are going to the hall of Fame. Antonio Brown, Stefan Diggs, Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Devante Adams is probably going to the hall of Fame. DeAndre Hopkins, Marvin Harrison is already a Hall of Famer. I don't know if catches matter. Yeah, but I, I haven't been in the, the voting room or, you know, Peter King's the only one I've really talked about what goes on in there and what they, what they factor in. And I, I don't know if it's, it's fluid when they start to look at hall of Famers. Are you looking at the same thing now with wide receivers as you did five years ago? What about 10 years ago? I, I remember when it was, man, if you get to a thousand catches, it was like 10,000 yards for a running back. I don't think it's the case in either situation. Now are we going to have, how many running backs are. Christian McAffrey is not going to the hall of Fame. He said, I don't think so. Derrick Henry going to the hall of Fame. I don't know if there's any other running back that is playing now like Saquan Barkley would need to have three or four more great seasons, but he certainly got back on track in a big way. And you're playing in Philadelphia behind that offensive line with all those weapons, he could end up, you know, four or five 1500 yard seasons, win a Super Bowl, 2000 yards, then you'd be a Hall of Famer. But yeah, I, I start to look at these numbers and you go, I don't know what matters anymore. Because for a long, long time it felt like the running game was the short passing game, that we don't need a running back. We just need a running back who can block and also catch passes. Now all of a sudden you got a couple of running backs who were getting 15, 18, 2000 yards and now it's kind of back in vogue. And Ashton Genti could be one of those running backs who comes in and plays right away when, when you get a comp of Emmett Smith by one draft analyst. So when somebody says Ashton Genty, they go, Emmett Smith with speed. Whoo. I draft him now. I voted for him for the Heisman. But you know, you can't go wrong with who won. But in my mind, Ashton Jenty, what he did, you know, he led his team and you know, ended up finished runner up and he'll probably be the seventh pick overall. Yeah, Paulie.

Dan Patrick (15:11)

Yeah. If you look at the all time rushing leaders, active players on the list are Derek Henry, Ezekiel Elliott's got 9,000 yards but he's. It was all done in his first four years.

Marvin Harrison (15:20)

Yeah, he's not.

Dan Patrick (15:21)

Nope. Joe Mixon is an all purpose back. Saquon's at 7,000 yards but he's more all purpose yardage. Aaron Jones, Nick Chubb, Josh Jacobs is having a very good career and it's early. Going back to Antonio Brown, he had a six year window where he had 700 catches in six years all made the Pro bowl every single time and had four first team all pros. If he didn't implode and left the sport due to injury, would he get the hall of Fame hall pass?

Marvin Harrison (15:53)

Well, let's say he had seven years that he played in the NFL or even six. You know, we, we do have precedent here. You have Terrell Davis. Now we would always bring up Gail Sears, but Terrell Davis is modern day. You know, injury cut short his career. If Antonio Brown had an injury that cut short his career, then maybe you're not supposed to factor in anything other than what you do on the football field. The voters are told that other sports they do factor in who you are, but I also have to factor in how you were as a teammate. That's the only other aspect with this that I can look at your performance. I also have to look at you give and then you take away and that's going to hurt him. It's like Terrell Owens to me was a first ballot hall of Famer, but he didn't get in first ballot. I don't think what second or third time Mark Michael Irvin, you know, to me first battle hall of Famer, but off the field and they're not supposed to be factoring that in. Will they factor that in with Antonio Brown? They will. And not that Stefan Diggs is in the Antonio Brown category of disruptive, but it didn't go well in Buffalo at the end. I mean Houston just didn't work out. You thought with, you know, those two young receivers there and you bring in Stefan Diggs with that quarterback and wow. All right, you guys can challenge for the AFC title. Yes, Marvin.

Dan Patrick (17:23)

Yeah. And I think Stefan Diggs might be in the Tiki Barber category say if the Buffalo Bills win A Super bowl and they win without him, that's going to hurt his chances. I think that's what hurts Tiki Barbie. If he stays another year and they win a Super bowl with him as a big contributor, I think his hall of Fame case is way stronger than it is now.

Marvin Harrison (17:40)

Look at that. Marvin is hijacking Paul's Tiki Barber.

Dan Patrick (17:44)

Kind of my thing, really. I've owned that for a decade. At the end, Tiki Barber was as good as any running back. But I think I got the point, Marv.

Marvin Harrison (17:53)

Yeah, easy. He got easy. You're piling it on. Piling on.

Dan Patrick (17:56)

Want to get some 85 bears talking there, Marv?

Marvin Harrison (17:58)

Paulie. Richard Dent is the great Paulie. Thinks more highly of Tiki Barber's hall of Fame chances than Tiki Barber does. I think. Be like, what do you think, Tiki? Well, I don't know, you know, Paulie, what do you think? Oh, yeah. Do you know what he did in the last five years? 1500. Number of catchers. There's nobody else in America who talks about Tiki Barber's career.

Dan Patrick (18:21)

Maybe for a reason.

Marvin Harrison (18:22)

We can't even get Tiki Barber on to talk about Tiki Barber's career. He's probably like, no, I don't want to do that. All right, let me take a break. All right, Ernie, I gotta clean up my act. I got a professional broadcaster here coming up. That was my hair. Look. Shouldn't have worn this sweatshirt with. Ernie will probably have a bow tie on. You know, be all professorial. Oh, oh, look at that. Ernesto. He looks sloppy, just like me. Yes. I love it. All right, we'll take a break. The great Ernie Johnson will join us coming up next. Here. Dan Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hey, it's Steve Covino.

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Ernie Johnson (21:17)

Someone was posting photos.

Dan Patrick (21:20)

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Dan Patrick (24:01)

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Ernie Johnson (24:50)

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Marvin Harrison (25:00)

Coming up in 20 minutes. Synchronize our watches. We play in or out. You're either in or out. More phone calls coming up. He's a busy man. He's a hall of famer. He wins sports Emmys. He's Ernie Johnson Jr III, who joins us on the program. Great to have you back, Ernie. How are you?

Ernie Johnson (25:21)

If I had a tail, it'd be Wagon Dan.

Marvin Harrison (25:24)

I like it. I like it. You know, when you look at the different jobs that you have now, you still get to work with Chuck, but when you do March Madness, compare that to working the NBA show.

Ernie Johnson (25:38)

Well, I think the biggest difference is Clark Kellogg, who is. He's so tied into the college game. He's a guy you just lean on like crazy. Because for us, you know, it's. We pay attention to the college game, but our focus is the NBA. So you really need to have a guy like Clark or Seth Davis in the Atlanta studio or Jay Wright, somebody like that. So that's been the biggest difference. But I think just in the terms of the vibe and how we do the show, I think it took a little while, but, you know, the cbs with their. You know, with the way they do things, they kind of said, okay, yeah, you guys can. You guys can do this. You know, you guys can be your NBA kind of guys and do your show that way. And that started, I mean, the first year, you know, they wanted the guys in for a. For a production meeting two hours before we went on the air. And Chuck said, well, that's. That's a hard no. And so. So once we got through that adjustment period, you know, we pretty much. We pretty much do our thing.

Marvin Harrison (26:53)

But you have situations, and you had it recently with Charles that he might not be watching what he's supposed to watch, and then you have to correct him. I don't know how college basketball fans react to that. Whereas NBA fans, like, we kind of expect Chuck to go, this game sucks. But with college basketball, March Madness can't exactly get away with that.

Ernie Johnson (27:17)

Oh, we're able to get away with it because we still had Kenny and Clark there who could cover that game. It's not like. Not like we were going to ignore it, but but it was, what was funny is that he looked down like he was going to really say something, like he had made a couple of notes and then realized he hadn't watched any of it. It's like it was, it was like a couple of years ago. Chuck has always taken great pride in his Oscar picks and says, you know, he never misses one. And, and so we were talking about best picture and 1918 was up for Best Picture. And, and so we're talking about it and he says, I think the best picture is going to be 1918. I said, well, tell me about it. He said, we know it's, it's your basic. You know what? I haven't seen it. And so, yeah, so moments like that, you're kind of, you've kind of come to expect.

Marvin Harrison (28:13)

When did you realize, though, that this was different with how social media was viewing you guys and the clips that are played over and over? Like there's a seismic shift. When I did SportsCenter, you watched SportsCenter. Now people don't watch SportsCenter as much as they'll take clips and watch them on social media. How did that affect how you guys did tnt?

Ernie Johnson (28:37)

I don't know if it had a great effect. I know it made it more accessible for folks who didn't want to stay up till 1:30 or 2:00 in the morning and, and watch the show, even though sometimes it would be replayed on NBA TV in the morning. But, I mean, that's the world we live in. I mean, that was. And you're, you and I are both old enough to remember DT that, you know, there may have been times where you had a, you did a show and you didn't know exactly how it was received or if people thought something was funny. And, and the only way you knew was if Rudy Marky wrote about it on Monday. You know, it was like. And now everything is so instantaneous. It's like you throw a line out there and all of a sudden you're getting skewered or you're getting praised and, and yeah, it's just a different world. But you, you don't do it for the, you know, how many likes you get or anything like that. You're just doing your job. And that's how we, that's how we do ours.

Marvin Harrison (29:37)

I'm glad that we didn't have social media. I just. Because we did it without knowing, as you said, if anybody's. What we didn't know ratings, we didn't know anything. And I remember the, the first time I found out that we might be. Might have a following or be popular is I went to the ESPYs, and all of a sudden you run into Jerry Seinfeld and you run into Bill Murray and they're reciting lines back to you. And I'm like, I'll be damned. They're people actually watching this show.

Ernie Johnson (30:10)

Yeah, yeah, no, I, I know exactly what you're talking about. And I was, I was. So, you know, my story along that vein is being out in LA for a playoff game and, and walked away shaking my head because Denzel Washington knew who I was. He's like, I watch you guys all the time. And I was like, wow, really? That's. That's amazing. Yeah. So there were those moments that kind of reach up and grab you and it's like, I guess we do have a lot of folks who are, who are watching the show.

Marvin Harrison (30:43)

He's Ernie Johnson hall of Famer, Turner sports studio host Inside the NBA State of college sports. I know that nil transfer portal is a topic of conversation. Where do you stand with this?

Ernie Johnson (30:58)

I think that. I think we all agreed that something had to be done and that, and that there had to be a way that the college athletes who were, who were making all this money for these schools needed to be compensated one, you know, some way. But then it just, it just went from hey, this, that's a good idea to all right, whatever you want. And it was like a zero to sixty, zero to a hundred. And, and so that's how I kind of look at it is that, yeah, we, we all kind of agreed. But then are there. Should there be some limitations? Should. Or is this going to just price up the smaller schools out? Because they don't. They can't lure anybody into their, into their places. So, yeah, I think, I think just in that regard that, yeah, we're, we just kind of let it happen without, without any regulation. And then. And the transfer portal is. I would not want to be a coach. And I can certainly see where guys like Tony Bennett and Jay Wright and others have said, you know, it's enough of this, you know, I'm going to ass off and recruit this kid and he's going to come to my place. And now I've got to keep recruiting him as he's on in my program because he's just going to leave, you know, if he's not getting the, the run that he wants or whatever. So, no, it's, it's. It's changed everything dramatically for sure. And, and, and it's it's always strange to look down as I'm, you know, I'm doing my numbers and my rosters and that kind of thing when I'm getting ready in the months leading up to this, say, wow, this kid's been in college. This guy's, this is sixth season, you know. And so, yeah, that's, that's kind of been the, the amazing part to me.

Marvin Harrison (33:00)

Did you fill out a bracket? I did and.

Ernie Johnson (33:06)

It'S really good. Oh, it's really good. I, I, I think I could have it right here. I've been in New York. I've got a two week, I got a two week stay in New York for this. I did not go back to Atlanta and then come back in between the rounds because all I'm doing is basically working on the show. So. Okay, this is really good for your show that I'm rifling through here.

Marvin Harrison (33:39)

Yeah, yeah, it's good radio.

Ernie Johnson (33:41)

Let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Okay, I got 10 of the 16, sweet 16, 7 out of 8, elite 8 and entire final four still, which is not bad in my, in my opinion. I've got, I've got Florida beating Michigan State and Duke beating Tennessee in the final four. How about you let me, does that meet with your approval?

Marvin Harrison (34:17)

Yeah, but why don't you let me pat you on the back? Not you pat yourself on the back.

Ernie Johnson (34:22)

That, you know, I think that's a great idea. I don't know, I don't know what came over.

Marvin Harrison (34:28)

Like, do you have sports Emmys that you pack with you when you go to New York for, you know, just so you can be in familiar surroundings?

Ernie Johnson (34:36)

Just a, just a few of them.

Marvin Harrison (34:37)

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Ernie Johnson (34:39)

You know what's, you know what's bad is like packing for, for eight shows and two weeks up here. So I like, I've been living in this all star hoodie the whole, the whole time in New York. So you, you didn't really expect me to get up and put a bow tie on.

Marvin Harrison (34:59)

No, I'm glad you didn't because I had a sweatshirt on and I go, oh my God, I got Ernie Johnson on.

Ernie Johnson (35:05)

I live in these. I would if I didn't have to get dressed up. I, this would be me all the time.

Marvin Harrison (35:12)

Why don't you do a casual broadcast one day? You guys get to do whatever you want.

Ernie Johnson (35:19)

Why, why should we do a casual broadcast?

Marvin Harrison (35:22)

Why not?

Ernie Johnson (35:23)

We have certain standards.

Marvin Harrison (35:25)

Oh, you do. Okay.

Ernie Johnson (35:28)

You know what, the other guys are casual sometimes.

Marvin Harrison (35:32)

Well, Charles is always making fun of Anthony Davis, you know, street clothes. So why don't you guys have a street clothes show?

Ernie Johnson (35:40)

All right.

Marvin Harrison (35:40)

An homage to Anthony Davis.

Ernie Johnson (35:43)

Yeah, that. I don't know if it would come off as Davis.

Marvin Harrison (35:47)

That's why. What's the biggest storyline the rest of the season to you in the NBA?

Ernie Johnson (35:54)

In the NBA. You know, I, I think things are kind of looking a little bit clear cut as far as who's going to finish where and who they're. Who they might play. I think, Mike, my biggest question is, is OKC ready for this? You know, because obviously they have got a squad, and SGA is unbelievable. Now, can you get over that hump and get to that Western Conference final and then can you get to the NBA final? So I think, you know, is OKC ready for this, for this step? Because we already know Boston's ready for that step. Is Cleveland ready for that step? You know, does a great regular season translate? So those, to me are the big questions, because I don't see a whole lot of other folks who could win the title. You know, I can see Boston in the finals. I could see Cleveland maybe in the finals if they're, you know, if they're at home and if they get a break here and there. But I, you know, out west, it's okay. See? And I don't know if Houston's ready for that yet. Been fun watching them, but. And, and you can't count Denver out if, you know, when Joker's healthy. But I think the question. The question is, is OKC ready for this?

Marvin Harrison (37:21)

When do you know when Barkley is truly upset?

Ernie Johnson (37:27)

Truly upset?

Marvin Harrison (37:28)

Yeah, like mad.

Ernie Johnson (37:30)

I don't. I don't know that I've ever really seen Chuck very mad. Chuck is, you know, Chuck comes in every night saying way, hey, let's have some fun tonight. You know, and so I, I haven't really seen him really hot.

Marvin Harrison (37:48)

Have you seen Shaq get up? Yeah, Shaq.

Ernie Johnson (37:52)

I've seen Shaq get hot. I, you know, one night was when we were going, you know, he got mad because Chuck took all this time, and then he just kind of clammed up and he didn't want to talk. He didn't want to be part of the show. And, and, and we've had. We had a night where he was late for a show, and. And he. And I kind of talked and I said, man, you gotta be, man. I left two hours earlier. Traffic was terrible. And. And then the next day, he didn't even talk to me. It's like I would look at. I look at him or doing the show. And I'm asking him a question and I'm getting three word answers. And then I finally just had to. In a commercial break, just had to get up and give him a big old hug and say, man, you know I love you. You know that. You know, I don't mean anything by that, you know. And then. And then he was okay. But, yeah, there have been a couple of times where he gets. He'll get a little sensitive. I don't know how mad he'll get, but he'll clam up a little bit, and then you're. Then you're pulling teeth.

Marvin Harrison (38:50)

It's like you're a parent there.

Ernie Johnson (38:55)

The way it's been best described, Dan, is that I'm the dad driving cross country with these three guys in the backseat saying, one more peep out of.

Dan Patrick (39:04)

You and I'm turning this thing around.

Marvin Harrison (39:06)

Don't make me come back there.

Ernie Johnson (39:08)

Yeah, that's exactly right.

Marvin Harrison (39:10)

Don't make me come back there. Well, who would make you more nervous, Chuck or Shaq? I guess Shaq, you know, given the size.

Ernie Johnson (39:18)

Make me more nervous. What if I, If I were to pull that? Yeah, no, he's. Shaq is. I. I have no fear of Shaq at all. Shaq. Shaq and I have a special relationship. And he always says it dates back to when I went and did a story on him when he was at LSU and he was living in San Antonio. And he's. I remember that day in 1989 when you came and it really wasn't 1989, it was 1991. But. But yeah, I think, I think that we, you know, we had a great thing going with that bunch. You know, we really have. And so.

Marvin Harrison (39:54)

And what are you. What are you doing now? What are you going to do?

Ernie Johnson (39:57)

What am I going to do?

Marvin Harrison (39:58)

Yeah. Are you following everybody?

Ernie Johnson (40:03)

Yeah, that's. I mean, this is the plan.

Marvin Harrison (40:05)

Okay?

Ernie Johnson (40:06)

The plan is we're going to do. Continue to do the show.

Marvin Harrison (40:08)

Okay.

Ernie Johnson (40:09)

And. But it's just not going to air on TNT because the NBA on TNT is no more after. After these playoffs. But we'll still do the show in Atlanta.

Marvin Harrison (40:17)

Okay.

Ernie Johnson (40:19)

Still do it with the same production crew. It'll just air on ABC/ESPN on certain nights.

Marvin Harrison (40:27)

Okay. Because I think it looked kind of shaky there for a while that we didn't know what direction. You probably were left out in the cold, too, on this. But. And then if it was moving out of Atlanta, would you continue to do it?

Ernie Johnson (40:40)

They know.

Marvin Harrison (40:43)

That was a deal breaker.

Ernie Johnson (40:45)

That's yeah, that's home. And it's. And so, yeah, I think, look, I can kind of see the finish line. You know, it's. I remember when Don McGuire hired me at Turner back in 1989, and he was like, man, he's seven, eight years in that studio chair. That's all. You know, you're not going to want any more than that. Now it's been 35, and. And so there are a lot of things to do out there.

Dan Patrick (41:12)

And.

Ernie Johnson (41:13)

And so I can't wait for next year. Can't wait to. Can't wait to stay with the guys. But. And then we'll just see for the years after that if, you know, what comes up and what I. What I feel like doing.

Marvin Harrison (41:26)

Adam Lefkoe is listening intently on that. That last answer.

Ernie Johnson (41:31)

Adam Lefkoe is great.

Marvin Harrison (41:32)

Yeah, He's.

Ernie Johnson (41:34)

He's really, really, really solid. And so. But it's not. No, don't. Don't get this twisted. It's not like I'm gonna hang. We're gonna hang up here, and suddenly I'm. I have retired. No. You know, a lot of times when you're running a marathon from. You can see the finish line from a long way away. Not that I have any marathon experience. So it's not like I'm not like, I'm in this sprint and the finish line is 8 meters away. You know, it's just that I can. You know, when you get to this point, it's like, all right, let's see how this is looking.

Marvin Harrison (42:13)

They will survive without us, which is amazing, Ernie. They will. Do you think so? Yeah.

Ernie Johnson (42:19)

Do you think the medium will continue?

Marvin Harrison (42:21)

I don't know. I don't know. But I've been told, hey, they'll survive without you. So, yeah, I'm going to take their word for it. I'm done in three years.

Ernie Johnson (42:31)

All right, so you've made the decision Three years?

Marvin Harrison (42:34)

Yes.

Ernie Johnson (42:35)

How old will you be in three years?

Marvin Harrison (42:36)

I will be 71.

Ernie Johnson (42:39)

Yeah. But I'll be 71 in three years.

Marvin Harrison (42:43)

Why don't we go out together?

Ernie Johnson (42:45)

Wouldn't that be nice? Wouldn't that. That would just tug at the hearts.

Marvin Harrison (42:50)

But you go first. You go first, and then the next day, I'll do it. I'm going to retire, I think, in Atlanta after the Super Bowl.

Ernie Johnson (43:00)

All right. And we'll. Maybe we could do it at CNN center, where you.

Marvin Harrison (43:04)

Yeah.

Ernie Johnson (43:05)

You had some roots.

Marvin Harrison (43:06)

Yeah. Now we're talking in the atrium. Yes. It'll be emotional.

Ernie Johnson (43:11)

With balloons.

Marvin Harrison (43:13)

Yes. That'll be great. I'll do another headline Sports. You know, I'll do one more for the road.

Ernie Johnson (43:20)

Oh, man.

Marvin Harrison (43:21)

Maybe we bring in Van Earl. Right. And get Earl to do a CNN headline Sports. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be great.

Ernie Johnson (43:28)

Or Phil that. Whatever happened to Phil Van Horn, by the way?

Marvin Harrison (43:32)

I think he became a baseball coach. Maybe in California. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Ernie Johnson (43:38)

Phil was my colleague and a friend of yours.

Marvin Harrison (43:41)

Yeah, yeah. Phil Van hall back in the day. Yeah. I think he married a song girl from usc.

Ernie Johnson (43:47)

Wow.

Marvin Harrison (43:47)

Yeah, you know a lot more than I do. Well, I keep up on the song girls at usc. I'm just saying Phil has got a.

Ernie Johnson (43:56)

Phil is somewhere right now saying, oh, hold on.

Marvin Harrison (43:59)

Why are they talking about me? Good to talk to you. Have fun and thanks again, Ernie.

Ernie Johnson (44:06)

Always a pleasure. D.P. always a pleasure.

Marvin Harrison (44:09)

That's. Ernie Johnson is the Turner Sports Award winning studio host hall of Famer. He'll be in studio coming up. We got basketball coming up tomorrow. Tomorrow night, take a break. More phone calls coming up. We play in or out after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at.

Dan Patrick (44:28)

9Am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports.

Marvin Harrison (44:31)

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Dan Patrick (44:34)

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Ernie Johnson (45:42)

Someone was posting photos.

Dan Patrick (45:45)

It was just me.

Ernie Johnson (45:46)

Naked.

Dan Patrick (45:46)

Well, not me, but me with someone else's body parts on my body parts that looked exactly like my own. I wanted to throw up. I wanted to scream. It happened in Levittown, New York. But reporting the series took us through the darkest corners of the Internet and to the front lines of a global battle against deepfake pornography. This should be illegal, but what is this? This is a story about a technology that's moving faster than the law and about vigilantes trying to stem the tide. I'm Margie Murphy. And I'm Olivia Carville. This is Levittown, a new podcast from iHeart podcasts Bloomberg and Kaleidoscope. Listen to Levittown on Bloomberg's Big Take podcast. Find it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Prohibition. It's no secret that banning alcohol didn't stop people from living it up in the 1920s. When we're five years into prohibition, the government is starting to go, okay, this isn't working. In fact, you might even say it backfired spectacularly. I'm Ed Helms, and on season three of my podcast, Snafu, we're taking you back to the 1920s and the tale of Formula 6. Because what you probably don't know about prohibition is that American citizens were dying in massive numbers due to poisoned liquor. And all along, an unlikely duo was was trying desperately to stop the corruption behind it. They were like superhero crusaders turning the page on a system that didn't work, wasn't fair, and was corrupt. So how did prohibition's war on alcohol go so off the rails that the government wound up poisoning its own people? To find out, listen and subscribe to snafu on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Marvin Harrison (47:40)

Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of iHeartMedia. I'm excited to share my podcast with you. Math and stories from the frontiers of marketing. This week I'm talking to the CEO.

Dan Patrick (47:50)

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Dan Patrick (48:00)

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Ernie Johnson (48:38)

Develop your eq. A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is, do you trust me? Do I communicate well? You know, when you walk in a room, do people feel good you're there? Are you responsive to people? Do people know you have a heart? Develop the team, develop the people. Create a system of trust. And it works over time.

Dan Patrick (48:55)

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Marvin Harrison (49:12)

Always great to visit with Ernie Johnson. You know, when people say how such and such, I can say, Ernie Johnson's one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life and a wonderful charitable person. Husband, father, he is always. This is who he is. He's been this way, never changed. Rapid Radio is the official walkie talkie of the Dan Patrick show, offering national LTE coverage. No subscriptions ever. Great alternative for your kids or parents. We use them on the show all the time. Go to rapid radios.com up to 60% off. Friend of mine telling me a story yesterday, and this has to do with a two famous people and they were dating each other and one's a former athlete, the other is a famous entertainer. And he was talking about, you know, when they went out, they don't date anymore. But he said, yeah, you know, I called her I me. And my friend goes, I Me. He goes, yes. She could never start a conversation, a sentence without saying I or me. And his nickname was I me.

Dan Patrick (50:20)

Wow. Whoa.

Marvin Harrison (50:21)

I know no names, but I can see it now. But it didn't work out.

Dan Patrick (50:32)

Shocker.

Marvin Harrison (50:32)

You know, they went their separate ways. Yeah, I me. We're going to go in another direction here. It's always a little awkward too, because.

Dan Patrick (50:40)

When your, your critique of that person is like, you always talk about I and me.

Marvin Harrison (50:44)

Everything is about you.

Dan Patrick (50:44)

Like, can't we talk about me once in a while? And you're like, oh, so you, you want everything to be about you.

Marvin Harrison (50:49)

Kind of a no win called her. I mean, that's tough. How about we play in or out? You're either in or you're out. Paul, what's the first topic for in or out?

Dan Patrick (51:01)

Just to recap, I'm going to make a statement. If you're in, you say in, and then subsequent Cooper flag should stay in college another year. I'll go last.

Marvin Harrison (51:11)

Okay. Todd in.

Dan Patrick (51:14)

I'd like to see him there.

Marvin Harrison (51:16)

Oh, man. I think he should probably go. All right, Marvin. Out, out, out.

Dan Patrick (51:24)

So I guess that means I'm out.

Marvin Harrison (51:25)

Sorry. Yeah. Out of.

Dan Patrick (51:27)

I mean, I know he has to go pro to get to the second contract, the supermax and all this stuff. He did skip his senior year of high school, Right. So he's already well advanced. Imagine if he did the opposite and stayed in college. It would be so novel. He'd get truckloads of coverage. He'd get bigger, stronger, and better as he entered the league. And he'd actually be seen more by basketball fans playing at Duke than he would with the Washington Wizards. No one's watching the Wizards. Barely. If he gets there next year. Yeah, I think it'd be such a novel move in this era for him to do it. And he'd get truckloads of coverage.

Marvin Harrison (52:01)

Oh, he would. But he'd get truckloads of money when he gets to the. That's the second contract in the NBA.

Dan Patrick (52:08)

What do you think he could ask for to stay another year?

Marvin Harrison (52:11)

10 million.

Dan Patrick (52:12)

That's. That's about what the number one pick in the draft makes next year.

Marvin Harrison (52:17)

Yeah, but that's why they go in early. So you get into that second and third he's going to have. He's going to make a billion dollars. Let's say he's. He's. He's legitimate and he's healthy. He'll get three max deals. You get the rookie deal, then you get another deal. You know, he's 18, so he's going to get two max deals. He's going to make close to a billion dollars when it's all said and done. All right, what else do we have?

Dan Patrick (52:41)

You know, I'm in favor of a much more stringent transfer system in college sports. I'll go first. I'm in.

Marvin Harrison (52:48)

Shocker.

Dan Patrick (52:49)

Yeah.

Marvin Harrison (52:50)

Yeah, yeah. Satan. Much more. Stringent is a tough word. I'm okay with parameters, but if given.

Dan Patrick (53:01)

The choice between lock it all down or Wild West. I'll take Wild West.

Marvin Harrison (53:04)

All right, Marvin.

Dan Patrick (53:05)

I'm out. Here we go.

Marvin Harrison (53:07)

I'm out.

Dan Patrick (53:08)

When I hear Stefan Diggs name, I think future hall of Famer Dan.

Marvin Harrison (53:13)

Oh, I'm out. I'm out.

Dan Patrick (53:18)

Pretty. I'm gonna say in. I'm at.

Marvin Harrison (53:20)

Seat. Out.

Ernie Johnson (53:22)

Mark.

Dan Patrick (53:22)

Out. All right. This one should be fun. Russell Wilson's stay with the New York Giants will be a positive experience for everyone involved.

Marvin Harrison (53:33)

Wow. Todd out. Seaton.

Dan Patrick (53:36)

I'm in.

Marvin Harrison (53:37)

Marvin, out. I'm in. I'm gonna think that it can be a pleasant experience for everybody. They just won't make the playoffs. Yeah. See? Yeah.

Dan Patrick (53:46)

I'm Team Russ.

Marvin Harrison (53:47)

Yeah, I am. I'm rooting for him. Absolutely. Yeah.

Dan Patrick (53:50)

Paul, I think I'm in. Didn't the Steelers win 10 games last year? Didn't they sneak into the playoffs?

Marvin Harrison (53:56)

Yeah, but Justin Fields. Yeah, those games.

Dan Patrick (54:00)

Maybe he and Jamis could team up.

Marvin Harrison (54:02)

They were actually on their way to the playo. And then something happens. Righty. Yes, indeed. Two hours in the books, one more to go. Just call me. I, me. I me. We Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show. Final hour on the way.

Dan Patrick (54:18)

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Ernie Johnson (55:24)

Someone was posting photos.

Dan Patrick (55:26)

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Ernie Johnson (56:41)

Develop your EQ A lot of people have plenty of brains, but EQ is Do you trust me?

Dan Patrick (56:45)

Do I commute?

Ernie Johnson (56:46)

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