Hour 2 – Chris Mannix, Who Cares about the NBA All-Star Game?

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 2

Episode Title: Chris Mannix, Who Cares about the NBA All-Star Game?
Date: February 12, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Chris Mannix (Sports Illustrated)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Dan Patrick Show" dives into the state of the NBA as All-Star Weekend approaches, with in-depth discussion about tanking, load management, and the All-Star Game's fading relevance. Dan and the Danettes take listener calls, debate quarterback contracts in the NFL, and bring on Chris Mannix for an analysis of NBA issues, including the current tanking landscape, how the league could address it, and the chronic problems with the NBA All-Star Game format.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Quarterback Contracts and Viewer Calls (01:30–15:00)

• CJ Stroud’s Contract Situation:
  Dan recaps a heated call from a previous hour about Houston Texans QB CJ Stroud and whether he deserves a contract extension after his rookie year.
  • "Do I want to give him $60 million or do I want to bolster the offensive line? You might not be able to do both." (02:10)
  • Staff and callers debate whether it's smart to pay promising young QBs early or wait for more proof.
  • Dan clarifies: “I have no bias whatsoever. Hey, if he’s great, pay him $60 million. Couldn’t care less.” (03:20)
  • Compares Stroud's situation to Bryce Young and Andrew Luck, warning against spending on QBs without investing in their protection (offensive line).
  • The panel amusingly compiles a list of QBs they’d take over Stroud, leading to a humorous moment of self-awareness:
    • “Somehow by getting upset and listing 35 quarterbacks you would take over him... see? Told you. That’s the beauty of this show. I never know what direction we’re going in because it’s not scripted.” (15:00)

2. Lighthearted Interlude & Show Banter (06:49–08:50)

• Jersey Number Hijinks:
  The Danettes recount a funny incident involving jersey numbers at a San Jose Sharks event:
  • Todd wanted #10 or #69:
    “Do you really think they were going to give you number 10 if 69 was the other option?” (07:19)
  • Todd shares a story about accidentally texting a suggestive message about his “Fritzy 69” jersey to a family group chat including his kids.

3. Caller Segment: NBA All-Star Weekend, NBA Cup, and League Concerns (09:06–12:00)

• Callers Weigh In:
  • Chris in Syracuse criticizes ESPN for excessive Super Bowl self-promotion and raises issues with NBA suspensions after the Pistons-Hornets melee.
  • He argues the league should focus on regular season interest, not just All-Star Weekend or gimmicks like the NBA Cup.
  • “What they really should be worrying about is increasing interest in the regular season. And I don’t think the NBA Cup is the answer.” (09:37)
  • Raises concern about Giannis partnering with a gambling site; Dan agrees the optics are bad.
• Load Management & Tanking:
  • Another caller blames the Spurs for “load management” infecting the NBA.
  • In a humorous digression, Dan recounts filming the iconic Stone Cold Steve Austin folding chair ESPN commercial.
• Idea to Prevent Tanking:
  • A caller proposes giving the #1 pick to the best record missing the playoffs, not the worst team, echoing an idea Dan has floated before.

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Main Interview: Chris Mannix (Sports Illustrated) on the NBA (23:53–38:04)

4. Poll of the Day: Load Management vs. Longevity (23:53)

• “Would you rather a player play 60 games for 15 years or 82 games for 11 years?”
  • Mannix picks longevity: “I would much rather have the guy for four extra years playing 65 regular season games if I can get him for the postseason. The regular season is close to irrelevant for a contender.” (23:57)

5. Origins of Load Management & Tanking (24:12–25:24)

• Popovich & Spurs as the Start:
  • Mannix credits the Spurs (mid-2010s) with normalizing sitting stars (“DNP-rest”), especially for older players.
  • Toronto’s load-managed title run with Kawhi Leonard in 2019 accelerated league-wide adoption.

6. The Tanking “Crisis” (25:24–29:02)

• Utah Jazz as Exhibit A:
  • “Utah is trying to throw games at the end. Like simple as that.” (25:38)
  • Points out how the Jazz and other teams deploy regular players, build a lead, then bench them to lose late intentionally.
  • “This is the first time in league history that... before the All-Star break, roughly a third of the league does not care about winning games. That is a five alarm fire for Adam Silver to address.” (27:01)
• Other Tanking Teams:
  • Indiana, Washington, and several others are mentioned as blatant tankers.
  • Ethically, tanking’s become engineered, not accidental.

7. How to Fix Tanking (Short-Term and Long-Term) (27:10–29:22)

• Penalties and Disincentives:
  • “Short term... people in the league are pushing for a fine with a warning.” (27:15)
    • Fine teams for egregious tanking, escalate to lost draft picks or lottery odds reduction.
    • Suggests the commissioner has authority to reduce a team’s ping-pong balls in the lottery.
• Systemic Overhaul vs. Tweaks:
  • “There are two camps: put band-aids on the bullet holes... or, blow up the whole system and figure out something else.” (28:18)

8. Identifying “Real” Injuries vs. Tanking (29:02–30:30)

• Dan asks: “How do I know if Trey Young is not hurt? ...What does Adam Silver do?”
  • Mannix: “It doesn’t take Inspector Gadget...” (29:22), noting obvious fake injuries and the need for more medical transparency with league oversight.
  • The league needs to review injury reports before approving sitting out, to avoid subterfuge.

9. All-Star Game: Why the Format Is Failing (30:30–34:40)

• Mannix Unfiltered:
  • “No, no, no. I don’t like anything about this. Anything.” (30:41)
  • The dunk contest is especially maligned: “Nobody knows who these guys are... We can’t even get the top young guys in the league to play it.” (30:53)
  • On the US vs. World format: “The greatest defenders of All Star indifference are the Europeans... Jokic can’t get him to care about an All-Star Game. Luka Doncic...can’t get him to care.” (31:15)
  • Mannix’s solution: Add “spice”—such as putting Dylan Brooks (notorious antagonist) on the World team to provoke tension and viewer interest. (32:31)
  • Both agree “style of play” is the core problem: it’s glorified pickup, not real competition.
• Dan: “It’s the style of play in the All Star Game... It’s just running up and down and dunking and shooting threes and... that’s not their style.” (32:19)
• Mannix is deeply skeptical of any format change yielding real improvement, predicting a "Pro Bowl" style future for the NBA All-Star Game.

10. LeBron and Giannis: NBA Free Agency Futures (34:40–37:56)

• LeBron’s L.A. Exit?
  • Mannix: “I’m going to say no... His desire to be in LA goes beyond basketball now.” (34:44)
  • Factors: Lifestyle, family, business interests. But a “lowball” Lakers offer could change things.
• Giannis More Likely to Leave Milwaukee:
  • “From what I hear out of Milwaukee... they’re going to spend the next few months thinking about who they can get to bring in to convince Giannis to stay.” (36:23)
  • Mannix predicts more likely Giannis moves than LeBron.
  • A fun note: “If Cam Thomas winds up saving Giannis’s future in Milwaukee, that will be the greatest plot twist in NBA drama history.” (37:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tanking:
  “This is the first time in league history that... roughly a third of the league does not care about winning games. That is a five alarm fire for Adam Silver to address.” — Chris Mannix (27:01)
• On the All-Star Game:
  “No, no, no. I don’t like anything about this. Anything.” — Chris Mannix (30:41)
  • “We can’t even get the top young guys in the league to play it.” (30:53)
• On Viewership and Format:
  “We are on the path to the Pro Bowl is what we’re on with the NBA All-Star Game. And I don’t think there’s anything that’s going to stop it.” — Chris Mannix (34:37)
• On the Dan Patrick Show’s Unpredictable Nature:
  “That’s the beauty of this show. I never know what direction we’re going in because it’s not scripted.” — Dan Patrick (15:00)
• On Trepidation About Extending QBs:
  “There has to be a proof of concept here. I gotta realize or find out if this is sustainable… I’m not picking on C.J. Stroud.” — Dan Patrick (21:32)

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Additional Insights

• Callers and Cultural Differences:
  • Dan and the Danettes discuss how All-Star Games are an American sporting staple but are meaningless to many international players and audiences. (44:11)
• NBA Attempts to Make the All-Star Game Matter:
  • Skepticism abounds that pitting “World” vs. “USA” can instill real pride or competition.
  • “Serbia is important to them. Canada is important to them. But the world... this is a last-ditch effort.” — Marvin (45:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|---------------| | NFL QB contract/Stroud debate | 01:30–15:00 | | Jersey number and family text mishap | 06:49–08:50 | | NBA All-Star, Cup, and load management calls | 09:06–12:00 | | Poll question: 60 games x 15 years or 82 x 11 | 23:53 | | Chris Mannix on load management/tanking | 24:12–29:22 | | Fixing tanking and league penalties | 27:10–29:22 | | NBA injuries vs. fake tanking | 29:02–30:30 | | All-Star Game critique & solutions | 30:30–34:40 | | LeBron/Giannis free agency futures | 34:40–37:56 | | Cultural disconnects with All-Star Games | 44:11–47:13 |

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Episode Tone & Presenter Style

• Dan Patrick maintains his usual blend of sports expertise, dry wit, and relaxed banter. He's not afraid to poke fun at himself or the unpredictability of his own show.
• Chris Mannix is incisive, direct, and candid in his criticism of NBA management and the league, while also providing thoughtful solutions.
• The Danettes (Show staff) contribute humor and relatable sports fandom, keeping the show light amid serious topics.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a frank, engaging look at the NBA’s lingering issues — tanking, load management, and the fading All-Star Game — with Chris Mannix providing sharp analysis and solutions. Wrapped in the show's signature wit, it’s a must-listen for NBA fans and sports business watchers, skeptical of league gimmicks or unafraid to ask, “Who actually cares about the NBA All-Star Game?”

Transcript

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The One that you want to make.

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But if you're at that point where you got to make a decision, I'm not extending either one of those guys early. I want you to prove it. And it might be. Prove it for two years, but he has shown glimpses, certainly his first year. But what, 19 touchdowns, maybe eight interceptions. That's not a franchise quarterback. But blame. Blame the Texans. Blame, blame the front office. There's the one. They're the ones that didn't, you know, bolster, fortify that offensive line. And that goes back to what I've said about Andrew Lucky. If you spend 100 million on your quarterback and you spend, you know, $100 on your offensive line, we know how this ends. And I kept saying it's malpractice. What the Colts were doing. They didn't build the offensive line when they got Andrew Luck. This is what Vegas should be doing. The cautionary tale for the Raiders should be Andrew Luck and the Colts. Yes, Marvin. And back to your CJ Stroud point. Troy Aikman was talking about this during the playoff game. Like, look, the Texans have decisions to make going into the off season. If you want to pay this guy $60 million after throwing four interceptions in a playoff game. Yeah. What's Troy know about playing quarterback and money? Yeah. Yes, Todd. I don't understand how he got so crazy with you like that. But there was no bashing involved. You were just, you know, give me your opinion like you're supposed to. I think. Because I brought it up to a couple of different guests. But, you know, this is a fact finding mission that we have sometimes where we actually try to get answers from people, analyst, experts. And that's why I asked the question. Somebody may come back and say, you know what, he's one of the best quarterbacks. They'd be crazy to move on from him. They'd be crazy not to extend him. Okay, then I give you that opportunity. I don't know what your answer is going to be. You may fire back and say, that's ridiculous. Okay. But I asked the questions because I'm curious about what the answers are. All right. Seaton poll question for hour two. Man, I'm fired up and ready to go. Yeah, I think it might be, are you paying C.J.

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Stroud or not?

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Actually, I think we are going to do that. We have up there right now, would you rather a player 60 games for 15 years or 82 games for 11 years? Right now that's hovering at about 69% with 82 games for 11 years of all the jersey numbers that Todd got with the San Jose Sharks, he got the number 69. It was fun. Yes, Marvin. And also when so Joe. Joe and Rachel, who got everything together for us, they were like, hey, what jersey numbers do you want? And I said, you know, can you give me 13? And Todd said, hey, can I get either 10 or 69? Do you really think they were going to give you number 10 if 69 was the other option? Yeah. The fact that I just put that out there as an option, I guess they kind of ran with it, as producers should do. But why did you want the number 10?

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Because I'm 10.

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10. 69. And I like the number 10 a lot. I had number 10 in literally because I loved Chris Chambliss growing up and I played first base. There was a.

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There's a lot of connections to 10.

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It's a nice round number. Not as round as 69, depending on the situation. Oh, nice. And that led to the inappropriate text message that you sent to your wife with your kids on the text mail. Ch.

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Yes.

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I sent a photo of my Fritz 69 jersey on the ice at the SAP arena at the Sharks place where we were doing the shooting, riding the Zamboni. And then I said something along the lines of, you know, I'm sure you missed me this whole week that I'm on the road in San Francisco, so maybe we can incorporate my jersey in some fashion. I kind of left it at that.

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And then I realized that she was.

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Not the only one on that text. And Mario helped me delete the message as soon as possible. But your kids did see it. It's quite possible they have not brought it up either out of embarrassment. Shame not put me on the spot. Oh, they're not bringing it. Or they're just pretending they didn't see it. Or maybe I deleted in time where they didn't get it. I don't even. Joe and Rachel, they were responsible for our sets. You know, the look of the show when it's on the road. They do a wonderful job. Again, shout out to Rachel, who is pregnant with twins. But they are wonderful people, and whenever you see the show on the road, they're responsible for that look. Alrighty, 877 3Dp show. We'll talk to Chris Mannix about tanking and the All Star weekend. Chris in Syracuse joins us now. Hi, Chris, thanks for holding. What's on your mind? Hey, thanks, Dan.

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Yeah, I got a couple things for you.

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You know, leading up to and before Super Bowl 60 was even played ESPN had constant self serving promotion to Super Bowl 61. It was kind of embarrassing. And a couple NBA items. I think James Jones may have been a little light with the suspensions he handed out for the Pistons Hornets melee. I mean, you can't have players throwing punches. I mean, someone's going to get seriously hurt. I mean, just look at Kermit Washington, Rudy Key as a prime example. And the NBA is really trying to find ways to increase the interest in.

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The All Star weekend.

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But what they really should be worrying about is increasing interest in the regular season. And I don't think the NBA cup is the answer. And another thing Adam Silver should be worried about is Giannis being an investor and public partner with a gambling site. I mean, the optics on that look awful. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Not good. By the way, I did see the ESPN promo. The commercial for the next super bowl. Super Bowl 61.

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Countdown'S on.

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I'm going to guess I'm going to find where the super bowl is at some point. I don't know if I need a heads up now. Where is it going to be? Just for the record, ABC and espn. Yeah, ABC and so not ESPN though, but abc. ABC and espn. Yeah, but I already saw it. The commercial for the Super Bowl. Yes, Todd.

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So kick off in 361 days.

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Is that where we're at? I just want to make sure my math is right. Yeah. Pregame starts next week. Josh in San Antonio. Hi, Josh. Hey, Dan. As a longtime spurs fan, I just want to call in and even though it did work for us and extended careers for the big three, especially 10 from 99 to 14 for those championship years, I want to solely take responsibility for load management in the NBA. You can blame this and you can blame grad Popovich in the spurs franchise. On a second note, as men of culture usually do, I was scrolling through Facebook watching highlights like you do, and I came across an old SportsCenter commercial where Stone cold Steve Austin is sitting in the break room and you smack him in the back with the steel chair twice. And I was curious if you could kind of take us behind the scenes. How many times did you have to hit him? Were you worried about how the force you have to use? I'd love to hear your take on that. All right, Josh. Yes. You can go on the Internet and you can see that commercial where I'm at my desk, I get up, it's late at night and I go in and Stone Cold Steve Austin is sitting in the break room and he needs a pick me up and he wants me to grab a folding chair and smash him in the back. And I thought, okay, like, I like the premise of it. But then he put a small pad in the middle of his back, and he said, just hit me right there. And I said, I. I don't swing a metal chair very often here, Steve. He goes, just hit me. You hit me right there. I'm okay. Well, the first time I did it, bang. He goes, you gotta hit me harder than that. I go, okay. So then we do the commercial again. I grabbed the chair and smack him. I'm going half speed. And he said, you gotta make it believable. I said, okay. So I grabbed the chair again, three quarters, and he goes harder. I go, oh, damn it. Okay, here you go. And then I swung as hard as I could, and there was a. Like, a bulletin board there, and the papers were, like, flying, like, because I created some pretty good force there. Smacked him in right on that pad. And he goes, thank you, Dan. Hey, yeah, but, you know, then there was one where he said, can I have another? You know, And I'm like, all right. And he was great. But, you know, Wyden and Kennedy, they take all the. They deserve all the credit. They came in and just said, this is what you need to do. And this is the premise of the commercial. And they did a spectacular job. And those. Those live on their evergreen. They live on forever. They're always fun to revisit. Xavier in Tampa. Hi, Xavier. What's on your mind? I'd like to give you my idea about ending tanking in the NBA. All right. Go away with the lottery. You're rewarding teams who don't want to get better. 16 teams to make the playoffs. 14 are in the lottery again. Get rid of the lottery. Give the timber. One pick to the best record that didn't make the playoffs, and so on down the line. That way, teams are trying to get better constantly. Yeah, I've tried. I've. I've offered that up to the commissioner before Xavier, but thank you for the phone call. Back room guys just sent me a list and said, all right, what quarterbacks would you take over? C.J. stroud? So I got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Let me see, are there more than that? So there's 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20. Wow. Okay, so far, you would take 20 quarterbacks over C.J. stroud. No, I'm looking at the list here, because if I said, all right, Matthew Stafford. You're taking Stafford for how Many years. One year. Josh Allen, Dak Prescott, Drake May, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence, Sam Darnold, Caleb Williams, Jared Goff, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. Got Love, Purdy, Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, Jalen Hurts. Jalen, Jaden Daniels, anybody? Is there any quarterback that you would remove that you would not take over CJ Stroud? There's Cam Ward. There's Jackson Dart, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young. Those would be questionable there. Yes, Paulie.

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I wouldn't take Jordan Love over C.J. stroud or Baker Mayfield or those off the top of my head. I think if. If he was on a good team, CJ Stroud, with some blocking and some talent around him, a decent defense, he would do great things.

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Like, he's got one of the best defenses in football.

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Yeah. Yes, he does. He gets the ball back a lot. But, like, it's been brutal. I would just say, like, what? His rookie year looks so good. It's still got to be there. There's something still there. And a guy like Jordan Love, I don't know if I've ever seen him max it out.

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Well, you know, Chris Sims came pretty close to saying that he would take Malik Willis over Jordan Love. He wanted to. He came pretty close. He knew that was going to go viral. Be like. And I like Malik Willis. I think he's a starter in the league. I do. Yes. Marvin, just the last group of guys that you mentioned, those are only group that I would take over. I would take CJ Stroud over the rest of them. Toss up, maybe. Well, you take him over Cam Ward, Jackson Dark, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young. Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yes. But nobody else on that list. You would take Bo Nix over him? Baker Mayfield over him? Like, if they just switched quarterbacks. If those teams switch quarterbacks. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Well, I might. I might say C.J. over Bo. Okay. Yeah. I'm not saying they give up on him. I'm saying I wouldn't extend him now. That's it. It's just a business decision. I couldn't care less about the Texans. If he plays well, great. If he doesn't, great. It's content. I don't care. But if he gets the opportunity to go back to where he was really upset, for somebody who doesn't care, I'm just saying I hate when people do that. You just played right into that dude'. Somehow by getting upset and enlisting 35 quarterbacks, you would take over them. Be like, see? Told you. Yeah. Ah, it's the beauty of this show. I never know what direction we're going in because it's not scripted. Okay, take a break. Chris Manic's gonna join us. We'll talk about something exciting like Tanking. Yay. And we'll ask him the poll question. We'll take a break. This is hour two on this Thursday Dan and the Dan at Stan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartradio apps here, I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugatson company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls. I love you guys show. It's one of my favorites. A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugouts Co. Live. So listen to Stegotson Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe. Subscribe, rate and review Stugats Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This month, iHeartRadio is celebrating the stars of the 2026 Winter Games. Representing Vienna, Virginia, Ilya Malinin is redefining what is possible on the ice. Known as the quad God, the reigning world champion arrives in Milano, Cortina as the only skater in history to land a quadruple axel in competition. He isn't just performing a routine, he's pushing the laws of physics. Malinin steps onto the Olympic ice, looking to turn his technical revolution into pure gold.

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Well, we're the 65 game player. Does he get the playoffs too?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Because that then that's the ball game there. I would much rather have the guy for four extra years playing 65 regular season games if I can get him for the postseason. The the reg for a contender the regular season is close to irrelevant when it comes to that.

[A]

Yeah. How did we get to this point though.

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The attacking point of where teams.

[A]

Are just load part of the league? No, just load management. That but also load management ties into tanking as well. So how did we get to this? What came first, load management or tanking?

[B]

I think load management came first and a lot of it begin began if you want to find a spot in history with the Greg Popovich San Antonio spurs who were aggressive in resting their stars. We all remember that.

[A]

Great.

[B]

I think I still have a picture of that stat sheet where it said Tim Duncan DNP rest, which is one of the early days of just straight resting guys. And that was what the spurs did in the early 2010s and teams quickly adopted it after that. You know, with the back to backs. If you get an older player you you got to limit his minutes that and then Kawhi Leonard comes around 2019 and Toronto wins a championship by load managing him. So I think you know, the success of one team begat more Teams doing it. The success of the Raptors begat more teams doing it. And it became part of the, you know, kind of the, the fiber of.

[A]

The NBA who is going all in tanking where it's that it's not reading between the lines. It's just blatant.

[B]

There's more than one.

[A]

I mean, well, Utah to me is really curious about.

[B]

So yeah, Utah is the most glaring example because of how they're doing it. Like Utah is trying to throw games at the end. Like simple as that. Like that game they had against Orlando on Saturday, they were up by 17, I think it was at 1.7 at the end of the third and they tried to throw the game and succeeded. Against Miami on Monday, they tried to throw the game and failed because Kyle Filipowski and Bryce Sensbah made a bunch of shots and that was how that went. But they have tried multiple times in the last week to lose games in the fourth quarter. Now last night, I hate watched the Kings Jazz game last night just to see what would happen. Of course they boat race Sacramento. That was predictable. But the way that the Jazz have been doing it has been the most egregious. But they are far from the only offender. Like people know, Trey Young could probably playing basketball at this point. Indiana, which is just as egregious right now as Utah. I mean I think Zubak gets acquired. He had been playing through what was determined a mild ankle sprain and now that ankle sprain is so serious that he's got to sit out for an extended period. So the Jazz, because of, because of the fact that they're playing their guys and then benching their guys, they are front and center, but they are far from the only offender. Dan, this is the first time in league history that we've gotten. We're before the all star break and roughly a third of the league does not care about winning games. That is a five alarm fire for Adam Silver to address.

[A]

Okay, what can, what's solvable, what's his solution here?

[B]

Well, let's unpack it from a couple of ways, short term. One thing that the people in the league that I've talked to have been pushing for is a fine with a warning, right? So the first you go to Utah, Washington, whoever and you say, all right, $750,000 for trying to lose games. If you do this again, we're going to dock you a couple of second round picks. If you do it again, we are going to reduce your lottery odds. This is something that's come up from A couple of executives, like, if you finish the season with the 14 chance of landing the number one overall pick, we're going to slash it. We're going to take away some of your ping pong ball combinations, which is within the purview of Adam Silver to, to do. He's got, he can unilaterally do stuff like this. So short term they want to see him threaten a big stick to some of these teams because there is 25 plus games left in the regular season. As far as fixing the problem, there are two camps in this. One of the camps says, let's just keep putting band aids on these bullet holes. This is what they've done over the last 10 years. They've, they've tweaked things, they've added the play in tournament, they've flattened the odds of the things to try to save the system. And those people say, hey, if you eliminate lottery protections, good luck getting that past the general managers. But if you eliminate lottery protections, that's going to take away a lot of these things. If you say a team cannot draft in the top four for two consecutive years, that's going to solve a lot of problems. There's some people that believe that. There are others that say the system is broken, it needs to be take out. Take it out into the woodshed and shot like just blow up the whole system. And let's all get into a room this summer and figure out something else. Those the two camps right now and those are the two sides that are, you know, as we speak, lobbying Adam Silver about this, these changes.

[A]

But how do I know if somebody is tanking? How do I know if Trey Young is not hurt? How do I know, you know, Anthony Davis can't play the rest of the season? I, I mean, what, what does Adam Silver do? How do you, you know, do something in a clandestine way that, ah, you're healthy enough. We saw you doing yard work here.

[B]

Well, I mean, it doesn't take Inspector Gadget to see like some of these guys are. I mean, Trey Young had a quad strain in early January. Like, like Anthony Davis, fine. Giannis De Campo, if he decides to set up the season, I would say the same thing. The Jazz again are playing their guys. And look, the Jazz, one of the problems that people in the league have with the Jazz is that right now they're a pretty damn good team. Like they've got three guys that are borderline All Stars, like Jaren Jackson, Jr. Lowry Marketing, Keonte George. They're not all stars, but they're on that next tier.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So if these guys were all playing, could they make a run at the Play in tournament right now? Probably not. They're like nine games back of that, that 10 spot. But the teams above them, Memphis, the Clippers, they're not very good. You know, maybe, maybe if you really put your foot on the gas that you could go and get it. So that's, you have to almost put that on a shelf. I think you've, you've got to use common sense in these situations. You've got to make teams, if there are injuries, you've got to report it. You've got to have medical evidence. You've got to give the league a chance to review all of it before so they can make an informed decision.

[A]

Talking to Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated senior writer the All Star Game coming up this weekend. You okay with the format even though we have some stars not playing? No, no, no.

[B]

This, this, this. I, I, I don't like, I don't like anything about this, Anything. Like I, let's start with the dunk contest, which you know, again needs to be destroyed.

[A]

Nobody cares about the dunk contest, but.

[B]

Nobody knows who these guys are. Like, I mean, I, two of them, I had to go look up like I wasn't sure who they were off the top of my head. Like this. We have gone from being able to get Dominique Wilkins and Michael Jordan to being able to get Blake Griffin and a bunch of guys that were top tier guys to having guys like Vijay Edgecomb and Cooper Flag say, hell no, like this is where we are. We can't even get the top young guys in the league to play it. I think that's going to be pretty bad. Kevin Durant said something last night and he's dead on about this. Like the USA versus the world can work in some context. It could, it could work in an Olympic setting where there's a medal of the line, you're playing for your country out there. But the greatest defenders of All Star indifference are the Europeans like Nicole Jokic. Can't get him to care about an All Star Game. Luka Doncic, if he plays, can't get him to care about an All Star Game. That is that Alperin Sengun, Al Prin Singhun is not going to care about the outcome of the All Star Game. I think it's, it is, but it's.

[A]

Not the outcome, Chris. It's the style of play in the All Star Game. It's just running up and down and dunking and shooting threes and you know Jokic and Luca, that that's not their style. That's why they don't care. Nobody cared more about the Olympics than those guys did. Joker did. So I, I think if you attach an actual game to this instead of just a pickup game, those guys will care.

[B]

I don't think they'll care. I think you're still going to get them shooting like half court shots and you're never, you're never going to get like high and you're not going to get like early 2000s all star. We've all seen the clips of those games in the early 2000s. You're never going to get that again. The NBA is searching for a way to just get something more than what they've gotten over the last few years. I can't see how this is going to be successful. I mean the one thing the NBA could have done, damn, that would have added a level of intrigue and they should have done this. And maybe it'll be an opportunity in the next couple of days. I don't know what Lucas situation is going to be. Put Dylan Brooks on the all star team. Put Dylan Brooks on the world all star team. Like you want to get people to watch. How about you add a guy that's competitive in like warm ups onto the all Star team? How about you put a guy that has bad relationships with like every star player in the league, including LeBron James on the all star team? You want to get some intensity? Put Dylan Brooks on the world team. I'm begging the NBA. They passed on it with Kawhi and Leonard. They blew an opportunity putting Shangun on it over Dylan Brooks. Make Dylan Brooks an all star if you want to make this game interesting.

[A]

Nobody cares about Dylan Brooks but the way he'll play.

[B]

You keep talking about the style. I'm not saying they care. Do they care about Shingun? Do people really? Are they focused on the game for him? So let's just add something that, that maybe mixes it up a little bit. Like I want to see LeBron and Dylan Brooks in the same locker room. I want to see them, them, you know, kind of going at each other during practices. I, I want give me a little bit of spice to this All Star game.

[A]

I have the betting lines here. So they expect a competitive game according to DraftKings USA getting two and a half against the world, that's the Stars team. And then the Stripes getting one and a half against the world and then Stripes is favored over to the Stars so by one and a half. So they're Expecting a competitive game. Chris.

[B]

What'S the definition of insanity? That doing the same thing over again, expecting the same result? I just, I don't see it. Look, it could be interesting because of the format. Maybe you can get some guys to be more engaged, but I don't think a format change is going to do it. I just think there's nothing. We are on the path to the Pro bowl is what we're on with the NBA All Star Game. And I don't think there's anything that's going to stop it.

[A]

Is this LeBron's last season in LA?

[B]

That's a good qualifier. Is it his last season in la? I'm going to say no. There are options out there for LeBron James. It's not just Cleveland, although that's obvious. I think Golden State is another great opportunity if he wants to, and that's another way to stay in California as well. But we have to remember is that LeBron James, when he signed with the Lakers back in 2018, it was about more than basketball. It was about lifestyle, it was about business interest. I don't think a lot of those things have necessarily changed now. Two of his kids are off to. Are gone. Bronnie's playing with them. You know, Bryce is in college. So that dynamic has changed to a degree. But I think that his desire to be in LA goes beyond basketball now. What will the Lakers be prepared to offer him in the off season? I think is going to be interesting. They are pretty committed to rebuilding or retooling, I guess, around Luca, Austin Reaves, you know, a prototypical center that plays around those, plays well with those type of guys. Will they be willing to make him a competitive offer or is it just, hey, we got the mid level exception at $12 million or whatever it may be and we want you to stay that. That to me is the big question. I do think there's part of LeBron that wants to stay in LA, but he's not going to stay, I don't think. If they, they lowball him, who is.

[A]

More likely to be playing their last games with their respective team? Giannis with the Bucks or LeBron with the Lakers?

[B]

I'm going to say Giannis with the Bucks. You know, Milwaukee, look, they entered these negotiations with other teams in good faith. Like nobody really denies that. Like there was some uncertainty about whether or not they'd pull the trigger on a deal. But over the, in the week before the deadline, they were talking to teams making counter proposals like they were, they were engaged in all this There just wasn't a deal that made sense for them to pull the trigger right now when the expectation is more teams can get involved in June and the offers from the current teams are going to be better. That being said, from what I hear out of Milwaukee is like, you know, they're not going to spend the next few months thinking about what offer they can get. They're going to spend the next few months thinking about who they can get to bring in to convince Giannis to stay like they could have. I believe three first round picks, the deal around the June draft, they've still got some movable contracts. You don't know what's going to shake out in the postseason, who's going to wind up becoming available that you don't expect right now. So option A for Milwaukee is still to find that player, find that Jrue Holiday, find that Damian Lillard, find that guy that can make you on to say, you know what, I'm going to sign my name to an extension right now. I, I don't think they're going to find it. That's why I think it's more likely Giannis is gone at the end of the year in some kind of a blockbuster deal. But that's going to be the priority. I love Dan seeing see Cam Thomas last night by going for 34 and there's that clip of Giannis like big smile on his face coming off the bench. If Cam Thomas winds up saving Giannis's future in Milwaukee, that will be the greatest plot twist in NBA drama history.

[A]

Not good enough to play for the Nets, but good enough to play for the Bucks. Good 34. Yeah. Thank you, Chris. Have fun this weekend.

[B]

You got it, Dan.

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Hey now. Hey now, Pritzie.

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Hey, C.J. stroud. He's got the yips. If he comes back with the Texans, it'll probably be the Nickelback, AKA Rick M. Keel. Got a question for you. Yeah. Which. Which NFL or Nil jersey would you like to have following the 2025, 2026 season? Sam Darnold had a great chance to. Not necessarily a campaign, but had a great sales pitch opportunity. Week 16, when Philip Rivers came out of that tunnel as the, you know, the comeback player of the year. Sam Donald should have come out with a jersey with a space between the.

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Darn and the old. Wore a darn old jersey and had.

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A legendary jersey exchange at midfield with Philip Rivers. All right, thank you, Collins. That's a deep dive. Yes. Yeah. We go back to the All Star Game again real quick. Sure. I think that we're. There's one part of the Americans versus, or, you know, the United States team versus the international players that I think we're missing as to why the international players don't care about the All Star Game. It's because All Star Games are a uniquely American experience. We're really the only people that do that. And if you're coming from an international experience or background, those teams would be like, why would we do an exhibition game and risk our top talent getting hurt? Like, it doesn't make any sense. It's so stupid. We don't do All Star games. We might have All Star selections, but we don't do all Star games. You want us to play our best players in a meaningless exhibition game. Why would we do that? But here it's baked into, like, the.

[B]

Fabric of our sports, like, ah, who's going to be in the All Star Game?

[A]

We got to make the All Star Game mean something. And it really shouldn't. It really shouldn't mean anything.

[B]

And I think that that's sort of a.

[A]

There's a cultural difference between those two things. Well, I don't think it's fair for Kevin Durant to question Joker and Luca and do they want to play hard? I can't sit here and say, boy, those U.S. all stars, they play really hard. They don't. It's all kind of fun and silly and shooting threes and dunking and that's it. You know, you'll get a. An interesting, you know, pick and roll combination that you wouldn't expect. But. But there's no real drama with that. No. Oh, my God. That guy dove on the floor for a loose ball. Yeah, but the reason Kevin Durant is being asked that question is because nobody wants what you just described. People don't want the silly, like, ah, throwing up threes. Maybe a decent pick and roll. Like, whatever. Like, no, you're supposed to play hard.

[B]

Why isn't anybody playing hard?

[A]

And Kevin Durant is like, what are you talking about? I. I want to play hard. These guys don't want to play hard. They don't want to play hard in that format. No. Nobody should want to. Yeah.

[B]

There.

[A]

For anybody to actually want to play hard in that game, there's no reason for the game really to exist. Well, that's the only reason why they're trying to bring the world against the United States. Hoping that you get some kind of pride. Right. That that would carry over. But I don't tune in to go, man, is he locking down such and such or he is lighting somebody up? There's really all it is, is you get to see them and you get to see some interesting matchups or combinations that you wouldn't normally see. That's all. But I don't, I don't know who won last year. I don't know who won the year before or the year before or the year before. Yes. Marvin. Yeah, to your point. I always disagree when you say the international guys are going to play hard, so they're just going to play for the world against. Across their chest. Like, to me, that's. It's not important to them. Serbia is important to them. Canada is important to them. But the world, okay, we beat you guys in a meaningless game. This is a last ditched effort to try to bring some eyeballs to this. Where you go, boy, that was fun. I mean, I, I'm not saying it's going to work, but I'm saying this is the last opportunity to try to get something that does sort of resemble an actual game or the spirit of a game. Yes. Right. And in a league that probably already has too many games, we're trying to make a meaningless one mean something. Yes. It's just. It's like. It's a fool's errand. Yes. Like, it'll. You can't. You can't. Especially now when, you know, maybe back in the day when you got to see one game and you're like, dang, imagine if these guys all played against each other. That'd be craz. Was probably really special. But that's not the case anymore. Yeah, but you weren't facing each other as many times like, there's no novelty in any of these sports anymore because, you know, baseball, American League, National League, and there was pride and they played hard in that game, and it mattered in that game. Like, I hate interleague play. Yeah, I do too. I hate that. Yeah, but that's what ruined, you know, that feeling you had in the baseball All Star game. Yeah. Paulie.

[B]

I agree with everything you guys are saying, but it's what the NBA got because of this as they the decades go. But then you compare it to the four nations NHL thing last year, where that was compelling. People were in bars rooting on their thing, and that's a sport that's way more physical and, you know, more chance of injury, I think. And you compare that four nations to an NBA All Star game with this one being international.

[A]

I don't think it's going to come. But they dropped the gloves before one of the games. Yeah, I mean, that's how intense that was. But no, you're not going to get that with the world against the United States. All of a sudden they go out for the jump ball and then they drop the gloves. Well, they don't have gloves on.

[B]

That'd be wild if they added gloves.

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Yeah. Dave in Cincinnati. Hi, Dave. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. Just a couple things. First thing is you really ought to merchandise stay in your lane week if you're gonna have all these guys on you this week. Secondly, with the All Star game, you're not going to get these guys with, you know, motivated by money or, you know, anything like that. I think maybe what you do is say the winning team gets. Has to make the losing team wear their signature shoes. All these guys get shoe deals and if. If contracts, you know, negate that, then maybe the guys that, you know, the team that wins gets the doctor up. The losing team shoes with like door to the explorer stickers or something like that. Yeah. You can't force Somebody to do that. You know, medical issues there with your. Imagine if you got hurt in somebody's shoes. No, no, I can't make you care. Either do or you don't. It's just like you as a fan. I can't make you care about the All Star Weekend. There's nothing to care about. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, like, even what west side roots harder for the east side of the country. There's nothing to care about. It's an exhibition. Well, let's see how it plays out. In fairness to the format. Let's just see how it plays out. If it was a. If it was the sort of like Paul was saying, the four nations, and there was four nations playing against each other, that would be awesome. But it's us versus everybody else, and that's not awesome. David in Ohio. Hi, David. Hey, Dan. Just had a quick comment from that Rich in Chicago guy from first hour. Yeah, I think he's. I think he's just mad because survey says Dan Patrick show beats people named Rich on Family Feud on the regular. Thank you. Thank you, David. Yeah. There won't be any rematch in Family Feud. Celebrity Family Feud. There won't, but because we won. That's it. One and done. W O n and done. Yes, Marvin. Well, what if we move up against, like, Good Morning America or CBS this Morning? No, you're done. Yeah. John Caliperi. Want it done now? I'm good. I got more stressed out doing Celebrity Family Feud than I ever thought that I would, because I thought we could. We could really go viral here in a bad way. You were nervous there. I was. I screwed up the rehearsal. I got yelled at. I. I mean, that's not my lane. So, yeah, I was nervous as hell up there. All of a sudden, we walked up on the stage and I was like, oh, crap, this is really happening. How do we play? What are we supposed to do?

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We're just supposed to stand there. So instead, I don't know why, for somebody, I was like, you know what? I just need to start dancing.

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And I just started dancing and smiling the whole time I was up there until the camera started, and then I stopped. But right up until that moment, I.

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No, I'm not nervous. Hell no. Look at me. When I screwed up the rehearsal question. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, we're gonna. We're gonna get boat raised here. Dude, you good? No, I wasn't. And I'm. I'm trying to, you know, I know it's coming back to me. And then I'm trying to nudge Marvin and say, you know, you got anything for me? And Marvin goes, yes, he had something for him. He wasn't sharing it with me, but I couldn't because, look, they were on people. They were like, you can't talk.

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That's against the rules.

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If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious Mind games. A new podcast, exploring nlp, AKA Neuro linguistic programming. Is it a self help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Over the last couple years, didn't we learn that the folding chair was invented by black people because of what happened in Alabama? This Black History Month, the podcast Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. Unpacks black history and culture with comedy, clarity and conversations that shake the status quo. The Crown act in New York was signed in July of 2019, and that is a bill that was passed to prohibit discrimination based on hairstyles associated with ra. To hear this and more, listen to Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. From the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season two podcast. This is a story about a horrendous.

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Lie that destroyed two families.

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Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything.

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I was a monster.

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Listen to Burden of Guilt, Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.