Hour 2 – Chris Paul Isn’t for Everybody, Kurt Warner

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: Chris Paul Isn’t for Everybody, Kurt Warner

Date: December 4, 2025
Podcast: The Dan Patrick Show
Host: Dan Patrick, with Paulie, Seaton, Marvin, and Todd
Special Guest: Kurt Warner (NFL Hall of Famer)

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Episode Overview

This hour of The Dan Patrick Show dives into NBA trade rumors surrounding Giannis Antetokounmpo, debates Chris Paul’s complicated legacy and fit in the league, and previews Thursday Night Football between the Dallas Cowboys and Detroit Lions. The crew also discusses college football coaching rumors, the transfer portal, NIL, and brings in Hall of Famer Kurt Warner for a deep NFL conversation including quarterback development and toughness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA: Giannis Antetokounmpo & Blockbuster Trades

• Rumors: Brian Windhorst’s report resurfaces—Giannis may want out of Milwaukee, with the Knicks a rumored destination.
• Fan Pulse: A live poll says 74% think the Bucks should trade Giannis (05:25).
• Speculation: Discussion on which team fits Giannis best—New York, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, or Houston (05:27).
• Trade Value: Massive packages discussed (up to 5-6 first-round picks), but the hosts question their actual value.
• Knicks Dilemma: Jalen Brunson considered untouchable in trade talks (06:28, 06:52).
• Trade Take:

  “If you’re Milwaukee, can you rebuild?” – Dan Patrick (04:04)
  “You’re not getting Brunson… You can’t even have the conversation with the Knicks.” – Dan Patrick (06:44)

2. Chris Paul’s NBA Legacy & Fit

• Clippers Departure: Paul reportedly left the Clippers with friction between him and coach Ty Lue—“Ty Lue and Chris Paul weren’t talking.” (07:31)
• Personality Comparison: Dan likens Paul to “a lesser version of Isaiah Thomas…a tough guy, leader, but he can agitate you.”
• Paul’s Fit:

  “Chris Paul’s not for everybody.” – Dan Patrick (07:24)

• Aging Star Tension: “If you’re not that good anymore, then you don’t put up with it.” – Dan (07:55)
• Number of Teams: If Paul joins another team, he’ll reach 8 in his career, drawing comparisons to Vince Carter and Moses Malone (11:05–12:26).
• Team Fit Analysis:

  “Your two best players in Kawhi and Harden are two guys that…‘I play basketball, I get my money, I go home.’ Chris Paul really felt like a leader that wanted to win, but unfortunately, he’s the same age as me.” – Dan Patrick (10:20)

3. College Football: Coaching Carousel & System Evolution

• Penn State Coaching Rumors:
  • Interim Terry Smith likely to stay for now; Brian Kelly, Brian Daboll speculated for the future, Dan Mullen’s name floated (13:02–13:58, 21:37–22:48)
  • Noted Penn State has “painted themselves in a corner”—few top-flight options available (12:50).
• Relegation in College Football: The crew debates whether FCS (1-AA) teams should have the opportunity to move up via promotion, similar to soccer leagues (14:48–15:14).
• Transparency in Playoff Selection: Callers and the crew discuss televising College Football Playoff committee deliberations to enhance transparency and drama (15:51–17:00).

4. NFL Preview & Quarterback Development with Kurt Warner

Kurt Warner Joins (22:46):

• College Football, NIL & Transfer Portal: Warner shares insights as a parent:

  “I understand the NIL. I think guys should definitely get paid…But the idea of just jumping one place to another solely for money…I think is always going to be a problem.” (23:19)

• Lions vs. Cowboys Outlook: Warner leans towards Dallas as more consistent, though still questions both teams’ ceilings (24:47–26:01).

  “I think Dallas is maybe showing us a little bit more of what they can be…The Lions, [it’s been] a roller coaster both offensively and defensively.”

• Injury Impact: On Justin Herbert’s left hand:

  “As long as that hand's not going to get any worse, I believe Justin Herbert will be out there playing.” (27:15–28:53)

• Quarterback Traits – Smart vs. Tough:

  “I want a smart quarterback that makes good decisions...I don’t need you to take that big hit…I don’t need you to run through a defender instead of slide.” (29:06–30:30)

• Drake Maye vs. Caleb Williams Development:

  “The system really fits [Drake Maye]...When you talk about development, that to me is the first step—do you have a [play] designer that sees the game like the quarterback sees the game?” (32:12–33:01)
  “With Caleb [Williams]…he hasn’t had to process information as much…It’s a battle for him right now to change the way he’s always played the game.” (33:18)
  “Drake has been extremely accurate…Caleb has not.” (34:30)

• Can a QB Have Too Much Talent?

  “The more skills and gifts you have, the more it’s going to open up the possibilities…when is it time to run as opposed to staying in your progressions?” (35:24–37:56)

  • Steve Young anecdote: Bill Walsh had to retrain Young to stay in the pocket to become a HoF QB (37:56).
• Kurt Warner drops off due to tech difficulties (38:56), but conversation continues referencing his points.

5. NFL Pressure Metaphors – The Josh Allen Segment

• Phrase Fumbling: The hosts deconstruct Bills QB Josh Allen’s attempt at motivational metaphors—combining “pressure makes diamonds” and “pressure bursts pipes.”

  “Pressure can make diamonds and burst pipes and make diamonds…That’s how it goes. I’m not fully sure.” – Josh Allen (41:55)

  • Laughter ensues as the crew tries to clarify the idioms (42:06–43:26).

6. Lighthearted Closer: Misheard Phrases and TV

• Mangled Sayings: Paulie shares his wife’s version of "read between the lines" as “read between the limes,” leading to a round of “things people hear wrong.”
• Pop Culture Sidebar: Quick takes on the aging cast of “Stranger Things” and segue into TV preferences, before Hour 2 winds down (44:56–46:51).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

NBA Moves

• “If you’re Milwaukee, can you rebuild? We tried to get Dame Lillard… Didn’t work, we probably have to detonate here.” – Dan Patrick (04:04)
• “Chris Paul’s not for everybody. He’s kind of a lesser version of Isaiah Thomas, you know, without the titles… but can agitate you.” – Dan Patrick (07:24)

Kurt Warner on College Football

• “I think there has to be reasons on why you’re making the jump… jumping one place to another solely for money…is always going to be a problem.” – Kurt Warner (23:19)

Kurt Warner on QBs: Smart vs. Tough

• “I want a smart quarterback that makes good decisions… I don’t need you to take that big hit...” – Kurt Warner (29:06–30:30)

On Pressure

• “Pressure can make diamonds or burst pipes and make diamonds…That’s how it goes. I’m not fully sure.” – Josh Allen (41:55, paraphrased and discussed at 42:06–43:26)

Comic Relief

• “Read between the limes.” – Paulie (43:41)
• “Every cloud has a golden ceiling, you know…” – Dan Patrick (43:19, poking fun at mixed metaphors)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 05:25 – Live poll: Should Bucks keep or trade Giannis?
• 06:28–06:52 – Knicks/Brunson trade dilemma
• 07:24–08:43 – Chris Paul leadership and Clippers fallout
• 11:05–12:26 – “Eight-team” Hall of Famer trivia (Vince Carter/Moses Malone)
• 13:02–13:58 / 21:37–22:48 – Penn State coaching options discussed
• 14:48–17:00 – Imagining college football relegation system and playoff committee transparency
• 22:46–38:56 – Kurt Warner interview (NFL, college football, QB development)
• 41:55–43:26 – Josh Allen “pressure” metaphor dissected
• 44:56–46:51 – Misheard phrases, “Stranger Things” TV talk

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Summary Tone

The episode maintains Dan Patrick’s signature blend of sports insight, playful banter, and sharp humor. Guests and hosts alike deliver honest, sometimes cutting, sometimes self-deprecating takes on the big stories of the day, from NBA trades and NFL strategy to behind-the-scenes college football machinations. The Kurt Warner appearance adds Hall of Fame gravitas and candor, especially on modern quarterback development and the complexities facing college athletes today.

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Transcript

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Show on Fox Sports Radio, hour two on this Thursday. We'll talk to the hall of Famer Kurt Warner. He'll get us ready for the Cowboys Lions coming up tonight. We talked about this prior to the game on Thanksgiving and I said the Chiefs Cowboys would be the highest rated game of all time regular season. And that's what it turned out to be, larger than I thought it was going to be. It was over 50 million watching the Cowboys and the Lions and then turns out that the packers game or the Cowboys and the Chiefs, the Packers and the Lions second highest rated regular season game of all time. Wasn't it five years ago that people were saying, you know, that this could be the death of the NFL and all the causes they stood for and the saturation over saturation and fantasy and gambling and the NFL is expanding. You know, now they're talking about maybe two games on Black Friday. Now they're talking about more games internationally. They're not slowing down, not at all. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. And we'll talk to Brian Windhorst. He'll join us in an hour from now. There was a report yesterday that is kind of piggybacking what Brian Windhorst reported at the beginning of the year, the season with the NBA. Giannis had asked for a trade to the Knicks. He wanted to go there and it felt like maybe Milwaukee was saying, all right, just, you know, stay put. We're going to try to surround you with a good team. They're not a good team. And now it's surfaced again that maybe, you know, Giannis is going to want out and what can you get for him? There'd be a lot of teams in line. But what do you, I mean, is it five first round draft picks? I mean, even then, first round draft picks seem to be meaningless. It feels like, ah, yeah, we'll give you five. You want a six, we'll give you a six. 1. Throwing a second rounder. If you're Milwaukee, can you rebuild? Is that what the goal is going to be? That okay, we are resigned to the fact that we're not a good team. We tried, we tried to get Dame Lillard, tried to make it work. It didn't work and we probably have to detonate here. But we'll talk to Wendy about that coming up. 8 7, 73 DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @dp show or poll question for hour two is going to be what, Seaton? You know, I took a couple of liberties and I just threw a bunch of them up there. Look at you. Yeah. Yeah. That's called going rogue. Yeah. Yep. Well, I just thought, you know, being.

You know, what's that word? When you're just sort of a proactive.

[Dan Patrick]

Industrious.

[Paulie]

Being proactive. Okay. The Milwaukee Bucks should keep Giannis or trade them.

[Dan Patrick]

Right now, 74% say trade them.

[Paulie]

The best fit for Giannis, New York.

[Dan Patrick]

San Antonio, Oklahoma City or Houston.

You have any thoughts on that?

[Paulie]

I know we've been kind of kicking it around all morning, but New York.

[Dan Patrick]

San Antonio, Oklahoma City, Houston.

[Paulie]

Oklahoma City doesn't need him to win another title. No. But be a great luxury to have him and give up these draft picks. There's only so many roster spots you have, and they have three first round picks right now that would be in the top 15.

Boy, that'd be fascinating if they said, yeah, you know, we're gonna pair him with Chet and sga. But, you know, San Antonio is another destination of putting Giannis there with Victor Wembanyama. Houston, they got a lot of young talent there. The Knicks, that's the place. Because the Knicks have a chance to win a championship now. You're not giving up Brunson. He's untouchable.

What? What are you yelling at?

[Dan Patrick]

Like, when I look at that from the buck side, if I'm going to trade in the Knicks, I have to have Brunson as the starting point or else I'm getting a bunch of knicks draft picks. That is the 27th pick of the draft for the next four years. That's.

[Paulie]

You might as well just give them away. You're not getting Brunson, then.

[Dan Patrick]

You can't even have the conversation with the Knicks. I mean, five first round draft picks that are going to be. Giannis is going to make them better.

[Paulie]

Well, maybe you get some players, but you. You can't. You're not. There's no way I give up Jalen Brunson. Like, he can't be part of the deal. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, and the Knicks are going to have trouble, too, because you're going to.

[Paulie]

Start getting into all this crap with, you know, the second apron and you.

[Dan Patrick]

Got to do whatever salary cap, like, oh, God, forget it.

[Paulie]

Just send me to Houston. Yes, Todd, I agree with what Marvin said earlier.

[Dan Patrick]

Get him or not.

[Paulie]

Especially if they're going to give up several pieces that the Knicks aren't winning a title anytime soon. I'm very intrigued by a. Wemby and.

[Dan Patrick]

Greek freak playing together. That would be fantastic.

[Paulie]

Yeah, but I don't know how that works with spacing on the floor and two guys, seven footers out there and like, I don't know, I mean, I love the possibility, but if I'm the Knicks, whatever. This guy actually wants to play for you. I want to get him. And it feels like he's going to come in and, you know, maybe him being there, that free agents would want to go play there. I wouldn't look at this as a one year situation. I'd look at this as a four or five year, you know, deal. And. But we'll talk to Wind Horse. This is what he does, and we'll chat with him. Coming up, the Chris Paul parting of ways with the Clippers in Atlanta. And then we started to find. I said there has to be something more to it. Turns out Ty Lou and Chris Paul weren't talking. Chris Paul's not for everybody. He stayed around. He's kind of a lesser version of Isaiah Thomas, you know, without the titles. But that guy who's a tough guy, you know, considered a leader, but he can, he can agitate you. And if you're not that good anymore, then all of a sudden you don't put up with somebody. That's probably the case for Ty Lue and the Clippers. And they just, they dropped him off at a rest stop and then they kept going. Is that official? I think that's what they.

[Dan Patrick]

Like a Piggly Wiggly parking lot.

[Paulie]

Are they going a wawa? I think they have in Atlanta. They have wawas.

I just thought they would allow him to at least come back and save a little bit dignity and, and. And maybe announce that, hey, Chris Paul Knight. And you say goodbye to Chris Paul. Here's Ty Lu on kicking Chris Paul to the curb. I don't like it. You know, it just didn't work out like we thought it would, you know.

[Dan Patrick]

And like I said, I don't like.

[Paulie]

It for cp, you know, but just wasn't a good fit, you know, and we understood that. And so like I said, it was an organization, you know, they made this choice, you know, and so moving forward, you know, we got to see what we do. So, you know, we'll see.

Coach, why wasn't it a good fit?

That's what I would want to know.

Why weren't you two talking to each other? Like, there's questions here if you want to ask the questions. I don't know if they were asked, but those would be. But once again, he shouldn't be, you know, the scapegoat here. They're not a good team. When your best player doesn't play, it's hard to be a really good team. James Harden's a curiosity, and if you know a fantastic player at times, but other than that, hey, you got a nice arena.

You got a nice arena, maybe you can get a job. You don't even have to show up for work, you know? So Clippers are a mess. That's a mess.

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

And I feel like your two best players in Kawhi and Harden are two guys that, you know what? I play basketball, I get my money, I go home. Chris Paul really felt like a leader that really wanted to win, but unfortunately for him, he's the same age as me. It's hard to listen to a guy that's on year 21 and he's not first team all NBA Chris Paul anymore. And he's still doing first team all NBA Chris Paul things. He's probably yelling at guys like, whoa, we might have put up with this in 2010, but it's 2025. I'm not putting up with this anymore.

[Paulie]

You contribute more to this show than Chris Paul does to the Clippers, and.

[Dan Patrick]

We'Re having a better season.

[Paulie]

We're winners. That's right, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

If Chris Paul plays for one more.

[Paulie]

Team as he ends his career, that will be eight for his career.

[Dan Patrick]

Can you think of a first ballot hall of Famer that played with. I know Durant's up there, but that's a lot of teams for a first. A guy who appears to be a first ballot hall of Famer, and I think that dings your career.

[Paulie]

Eight teams.

Nobody comes to mind playing that many for that many teams. Yes, Marv.

[Dan Patrick]

The closest to me as a first ballot hall of Famer is Shaq. But you play for six teams.

[Paulie]

Yeah.

I've got a few.

[Dan Patrick]

Holy cow, these are good. Now you got to count Aba, Moses Malone.

[Paulie]

9. But if you remove that. Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Who is a Hall of Famer? I think. I think he's going in this year based on the math. First ballot guy who he played for eight teams.

[Paulie]

First ballot, eight teams.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And he retired in 2020, so he's a recent guy. Chauncey Billup.

[Paulie]

Seven teams.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, no way to bring that back.

[Paulie]

Yeah. Yes. Mark.

[Dan Patrick]

Is it Carmelo?

[Paulie]

Nope.

[Dan Patrick]

This is. I would. It's probably Seaton's favorite basketball player.

[Paulie]

Modern era Ricky Henderson.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, It's Vince Carter.

[Paulie]

Carter.

[Dan Patrick]

Toronto, New Jersey, Dallas, Memphis, Atlanta, Orlando, Sacktown, Phoenix.

[Paulie]

Okay. How lucky were they, huh? Yeah. Those are all winners.

8773 DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show all right, I just got this sent to me. Here we go. One of my sources.

Penn State's painted themselves in a corner. They have no clear options besides Brian Kelly or Brian Dable types. I'm being told.

They probably will stay with interim head coach Terry Smith and he'll stay there for the upcoming season and then Penn State will then go in all in for the following season. So this is a source who just sent that to me that the stay with interim interim coach Terry Smith for remaining remains for next year at this point and the school prepares all resources for the big hire next year. But Brian Kelly, Brian Dable, maybe his possibilities there at Penn State. Yes, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

Here's a name I haven't heard or seen reported.

[Paulie]

Dan Mullen of unlv.

[Dan Patrick]

The guy coached in the SEC for a long time. He went to UNLV and they're 10 and 2.

[Paulie]

He's been there one year.

[Dan Patrick]

I haven't even seen his name rumored for that spot. And that's if Dan Mellon wants to get back to the the biggies. No offense. You know, if he's doing great, that could be a name.

[Paulie]

Yeah, SEC wise, okay. But Penn State, I don't see that with Dan Mullen. But I didn't see Penn State without a head coach for 53 days too. You know, I don't know how choosy you can be. The only place to get autographed calendars is tailgate. Tailgate moonshine. We got some orders there that with your tailgate moonshine order, you can get an autograph calendar. You order by December 8th, you'll get it by Christmas. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards. The Dan Patrick show. Sam in Wyoming. Good morning, Sam. What's on your mind today? Yeah, good morning, Dan. Thanks for taking my call.

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This one's right up Paulie's alley. I was wondering, you know, the evolution.

[Paulie]

Of college football if the, you know.

[Dan Patrick]

One double A teams are going to be a farm system for the SBF football teams.

[Paulie]

A farm system?

[Dan Patrick]

No, but Seat and I were talking about this yesterday. If you redid college football, made it 60 teams and the FCS was the relegation where you win the FCS title, you automatically go up and join the conference that's mostly regional to you. That could be pretty juicy for college football.

[Paulie]

Yeah, I like relegation. I like that. I like. You can get promoted, you can actually move up. And you know, we see this with, certainly with soccer and the amount of money that you're going to make is a whole lot different. And, but, but having something else to keep an eye on aside from these 12 teams that are going to make the playoffs. Now you're going to keep an eye on, you know, these championships that are going to take place in the so called subdivision there, let's see. And thanks for the phone call. Let me see Keith and Chico. Hi, Keith. What's on your mind?

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, Dan. I just had a scenario I wanted to throw at you guys. I think it'd be pretty cool if the College Football Playoff committee was maybe televised. We could maybe get an inside scoop of how these people think and whether they're real football fans or knowledgeable fans, they could televise. It might be a pretty cool event.

[Paulie]

As compared to the, the reveal that they currently have. Yeah, I brought that up a couple of years ago. I said let cameras go in there. I mean, what, what are we hiding from? Unless you don't want somebody's name attached to. I don't believe in Notre Dame or I don't believe in Miami, and then all of a sudden, you know, that person becomes ostracized. But just to give us sort of that feeling of what it's like in there, I thought it'd be great. Everything about sports now is to bring you closer, closer, closer. You know, the sidelines. We're going to interview coaches, we're interviewing players during games. Now let us behind the curtain here with the College Football Playoff, at least let us see what it looks like, what it feels like. What kind of food are you eating? Yeah, who sits where, who's loud, who's not.

And maybe you could give us just a little. Even with selection Sunday with the ncaa. I mean, I'd love to see it. See, that to me, doesn't feel like it's as volatile now. Okay, you're the 69th team. I'm sorry, you're not going to make it. And if they do argue about that, it might be. Well, I don't think that this team's the number one seed. I think there are two. Okay, that's not the end of the world. I think that would be fascinating to know who's arguing and what they're arguing for. But. And you know, until the NCAA realizes, hey, we can make a lot of money on this, then we're probably not going to happen. Kurt Warner hall of Famer will join us. We have football coming up tonight. Dallas is a three point underdog at Detroit. We'll talk to Kurt coming up next. Dallas Dan Patrick Show Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan.

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Paulie mentioned Dan Mullen who's done a really good job first year at unlv. What about him for Penn State? I said I don't know, it just feels like sec. But he was born in Pennsylvania. He played college football at a small school in Pennsylvania. Sure. I mean at this stage I guess everything's on the table there. Could you see maybe Brian Dabel coaching Penn State? What about Brian Kelly coaching Penn State? Those were a couple of options, but my source said they're probably staying with their interim head coach this next season and then they'll put all their resources in and try to go after somebody. Yeah, Paulie. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Like you said, at this juncture, you.

[Paulie]

Know, Dan Mullen was an offensive guru.

[Dan Patrick]

Back in the day, had some really.

[Paulie]

Good years and knows the system.

[Dan Patrick]

Like a guy like brain Brian Dabel, you kind of got to start from scratch.

[Paulie]

Well, he has coached in the NFL. He's an offensive minded head coach. So I, I mean, I don't know what that jump is like. We always talk about the jump from college to the pros. I don't know what it's like to go pros back to college.

[Dan Patrick]

How about lifestyle wise, Las Vegas to Happy Valley. That's a difference.

[Paulie]

Kurt Warner joining us, the hall of Famer. He'll be on the call in the radio booth for Westwood one Monday night. The Eagles and the Chargers at SoFi. They kick off at 8:15 Eastern. You can also see him on NFL game day morning. Before I talk NFL, let me ask you about the whole situation with your son. EJ played at a couple of Colleges. I believe he's right now at Fresno State. But, you know, you got nil, you got transfer portal, you know, all the recruitment. What do you make of the college football situation right now?

[Dan Patrick]

You know, I think when you look at it, there's obviously definitely issues there, whether you're talking about the calendar, which everybody's been talking about with this whole Lane Giffen thing, when you're talking about nil, you know, But I've also seen the transfer portal work for actually two of my boys. You know, I had one son that was at Nebraska, went to Kansas State for some particular issues and had a great finish to his career there with ej. It was some opportunities as he played really well at Temple to see if he could parlay that into a bigger opportunity that he didn't get out of high school. And so I understand the nil. I think guys should definitely get paid. I think they should get what they're worth. I love the opportunity, but I think there has to be reasons on why you're making the jump. You know, the idea of just jumping one place to another solely for money, I think is, is always going to be a problem. I think the fact that some teams have way more money than other teams, even within conferences and those sorts of things creates a whole nother issue there. So obviously I think there's some benefits to it, some negatives to it, and I just think it has to be. It has to be monitored and, and set up in a different way to make it successful, I think for everybody.

[Paulie]

You got football coming up tonight. Do you have a better handle on the Lions or the Cowboys?

[Dan Patrick]

I think I still have questions on both, but I think Dallas is maybe showing us a little bit more of, of what they can be or the consistency now that they've got some guys healthy on defense. They made the trades, so still not sure they're a great defense, but with that offense, I think, you know, we can feel like, hey, their defense has done enough to show us they can consistently play at a, at a certain level. I, yeah, I'm still. I have a lot of questions with the Lions coming into the year. I think we all thought we knew what they could be and now it's been a roller coaster ride both offensively and defensively with them. Some of the injuries that they have. Yeah, I would say I'm probably have a better feel for what I'm going to get from the Dallas Cowboys than what I'm going to get from the Lions.

[Paulie]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out the Lions situation here. I know they've got some injuries here and they do run the football and Gibbs is great.

But they just seem like they've hit their ceiling. And I thought that they, you know, that was a team that. All right, it didn't work out last year because the injuries now we're really going to show you. And it just. They really disappointed here and they might be the third best team in their own division right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think you're right. You know, but. But it's hard also to sustain the level of success that they've had over the last couple of years and specifically what they had last year. I mean, 15 wins is crazy. And, you know, I would have to go back and look, but I would guess that they were in a lot of close games and somehow find. Found a way to win those close games last year. And it's hard to sustain that as well because we know in the NFL, so many games are decided by one score or less, and it comes down to one play here or there or one mistake here or there. And, you know, I think we're seeing it like with the Eagles, pretty much the same cast of characters, but they're not playing as well this year. I think the same thing holds true for the Lions. A lot of the same character, especially on offense and not playing as well this year and trying to put your finger on exactly what that is. Maybe it's just the ability to sustain a high level of play year after year after year in the NFL. It's just not that easy.

[Paulie]

Talking to Kurt Warner. He'll be in the radio booth. It'll be the Eagles visiting the Chargers. That'll be next Monday night. Are you planning on Justin Herbert playing in that game?

[Dan Patrick]

I'm planning on him playing, you know, being that it's his left hand, you know, knowing the toughness of Justin Herbert and the things that he's played through before, understanding what, you know, this stretch run means for. For this Chargers team in terms of the playoffs and things, I'm expecting that, you know, and I expect that from most players. If we always ask the question, can it get any worse? Is there something that can happen if I'm playing that makes this worse and that, you know, like, if I play Monday, is there a chance three weeks from now I'm more injured and can't play when it really matters? If the answer to that question is no, most players are going to do everything that they can to. To get out there. You know, I. I've talked about it. You know, Jaden Daniels suffered, you know, that tear in his, you know, in his elbow. I had the same injury back in 07, and, you know, I just gotten back into the starting role, and it was my first game back. I played the next week, and I played the rest of the season with that injury simply because it was, hey, it can't get any worse. You know, you're just going to sit and do rehab, so let's just brace it up and go. And, you know, I had to hand the ball off everything with my right hand because of that issue where I could see Justin Herbert possibly having to do some of that stuff. I was taken out down in the tight red zone because we. We had to go under center and some tight. So I could see some adjustments being made to help protect that hand. But as long as that hand's not going to get any worse, I believe Justin Herbert will be out there playing.

[Paulie]

I asked this question yesterday to Andrew Whitworth, the former lineman. Do you want your quarterback to be smart or tough? If you have to choose between those two, smart or tough?

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, I guess question is, when you say tough, what. What are you talking about? I know yesterday when you were talking, you were talking more about Jackson Dart running down the field and taking big hits. In that case, I want my quarterback to be smart more than tough. I think there's a toughness factor to kind of what we're talking about with Justin Herbert, or a toughness to standing in the pocket and, you know, and delivering a throw, you know, to the last second when you're getting hit. There's a level of toughness that I go, okay, I want my quarterback to be tough in that way. But I, I probably would say, overall, you know, less people are going to worry about us being tough and more people are going to worry about us being smart. I want a smart quarterback that makes good decisions, that's out there and available to his team and gives them chances to win every time out. Although I do understand the idea of toughness, I just don't need it when, you know, when you can run out of bounds or you can gain two more yards. I don't need you to take that big hit. I don't need you, you know, to run through a defender instead of slide. I don't look at quarterbacks, you know, when I watch film and go, oh, geez, you know, I wish I had that guy that was running through a linebacker. No, I'm like, slide, slide. Be smart and get back up and help your team.

[Paulie]

Yeah, I. That was my point. Is you're going to get a yard. What does it matter? You're coming off concussion protocol. You got two wins on the season. Get out of bounds. You guys can build on something. You have something here in the embryonic stages. I don't need to show, you know, play all 17 games. If you survive 17 regular season games, you're tough, right? You don't need to tell me, show me you're tough. That will tell me just there the availability.

[Dan Patrick]

And I think, you know, we could go back to another Giants quarterback in Eli Manning. And you know, Eli, there were times that he was going to just go down like it, hey, if the play was over, I'm just going to fall down in the pocket. And he became known as a tough quarterback. Why? Because he was never out. Like, he played so many games in a row for the Giants and it was like, that's what, you know, we want is the guy that's going to be out there and play. And so he understood when the play was over. And there's no doubt that people get excited and your sideline gets excited. If your quarterback runs over a linebacker, you know, down the field, I, I understand that aspect of things, but I think you're 100, right? Is that more importantly, your team wants you if you're the leader and if you're the guy to be out there every snap and they're not going to worry about you sliding or falling down every once in a while, as long as you do the things that your team needs you to do on a weekly basis.

[Paulie]

Help me understand from your perspective as a Hall of Famer. Drake Mays development and contrast that with Caleb Williams development. Because the Bears are playing well. I don't think they're playing well because of Caleb Williams, where the Patriots are playing well. And I believe that is in large part to Drake May.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, well, I mean, I feel like Drake played well last year, but I feel he's in a system that really fits what he does as a quarterback. I think Josh McDaniels does a great job of designing plays. It's what I call full field plays where it's drawback. Read the coverage when you know what the coverage is. I've got a concept that can attack that coverage and you just have to get your eyes there, read it, and it speeds up the game for Drake May, because he's really good at doing those things. And so the system really fits who he is. And when you talk about development, that to me is the first step in development. Do you have a play Designer, a play caller that sees the game like the quarterback sees the game. Like, you can have a lot of really good plays in an offense, but if it doesn't connect to how the quarterback plays the game, it makes the game harder. And they're not comfortable with what they're doing every snap. I believe they've got a great comfort level together to go along with the way Drake is throwing the football. I mean, it's like effortless. It's easy, his ability to throw the ball down the field. But I think Josh is really sped up those reads for him, so he can play fast, know what he wants to do with the football, and that just makes him more confident on the other side with Caleb. I think Caleb is a guy that, you know, hasn't had to process information as much as maybe a Drake may or some other quarterbacks. He's been a guy that been able to rely on the athleticism. You know, we watched him in college. You can make all the throws, but he would buy a lot of time and he would create because he was more comfortable with that. And so what's happened is he's got to. The NFL is. Is we're trying, and everybody's trying. Ben's trying to. To get him to play more conventional quarterback, go through his reads, his progressions, stay in the pocket. And it's a battle for him. It's a battle for him right now to. To change the way that. That he's played the game. He's gotten better at it from last year to this year. Last year wasn't processing very fast. It's holding on to the football, you know, almost too much and taking too many sacks. This year he's gotten better with those things, but still not there yet. Where I believe it's. It's a comfort level for him to go, oh, I. I got this 1, 2, 3, and. And work through those things and feel comfortable in that place. So that's where, when you talk about the process of the two of them, Drake more comfortable in that setting through college and where he's at now, Caleb not as comfortable, but working through it and fighting through it. And so he's gotten much better from last year, but still has a ways to go in that arena. And I think as he gets more comfortable, he'll also get more accurate. That's the other part of it is Drake has been extremely accurate throwing the football. Caleb has not. Caleb's made a lot of big, explosive plays, but he's also missing a lot of layups. And I think a Lot of that comes with knowing exactly what you want to do with the football, being comfortable with that, and then being able to let it rest.

[Paulie]

This may sound strange, but it just came to my mind. Can you have too much talent as a quarterback?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I think a lot of talent. I say this, Dan, and I didn't have this. So. So I'm just speculating like everybody else. But yeah, I do believe the more talent and the more skills and gifts you have, the more it's going to kind of open up the possibilities of what you could do on every play. You know, the throws that you could make, the ability to be creative instead of staying in the pockets, you know, those sorts of things, I think, open up more possibilities for a guy like me. There was one possibility. You're going to stand in the pocket, you're going to read the coverage, and you're going to have to throw it to the right guy. And so it simplified things for me from that standpoint. I've always wondered how an athletic quarterback decides when it's time to run. Like when is it time to take off as opposed to staying in your progressions, you know, and even forcing that issue, you know, I've talked a lot about it, is that I believe, you know, athletic quarterbacks, we've got more and more of them now, they kind of grow up not being forced to learn how to read the field or read defenses and progress through their. Their reads, their, you know, their coach drop back, see if your first guy's open. If he's not, go create a play for us. And so that becomes their norm more and more and more. And these guys are such great athletes. They get further and further and further in their careers without having to learn the opposite. So like with Caleb Williams, now we're getting him to the NFL level against the best players in the world, and we're saying, hey, now you have to change the way you've always played and you've got to learn to process better and you've got to learn to stay in the pocket. And I mean, that's got to be a really hard thing to do. So to your point, the more skills you have, the more you, and I don't even want to say, get away with the more things you can do on a given play through the majority of your career. And then when we try to fine tune that and say we can't do this as much anymore, and you can't do this as much anymore, it's always going to be, I think, a struggle for those guys for at least a period. And then it leaves the question, can they ever get to maybe the point we want them to get to in terms of, hey, you got to be able to process and create at the same type of level. I think that's really hard. And we don't see a lot of guys that can do that. You know, Lamar Jackson is one of the guys that I think does that really well. Josh Allen has shown at times he can do that really well. But I think that's a tough dynamic to fight for these guys that are just incredible athletes for the majority of their lives.

[Paulie]

Yeah. And I always bring this up because it's not necessarily Michael Vick or Kyler Murray. Steve Young was like this. Steve Young said, hey, I had one read. Not there. I'm running. And then all of a sudden, Bill Walsh is like, what are you doing? Stay in the pocket. Go through your progressions. And he became a Hall of Fame quarterback because of that. He had the ability to be able to extend plays. But Bill Walsh would say, will you stop doing that? Go through your progressions. You got great receivers. And he became one of the most accurate quarterbacks in NFL history.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And it makes the game easy. You want the offense to work for you. Like, I still think even with some of these great athletes, and maybe Lamar is the exception, but it's hard to win games in the NFL week in and week out, trying to be athletic. You're trying to run around and make plays. You've got to allow the game where the offense and.

[Paulie]

We lost you.

We lost your connection there.

We. We can see you. We can't hear you. That's weird.

[Dan Patrick]

How often does that happen?

[Paulie]

You lose the audio and not the video? Often. Yeah, Kurt, we'll catch up with you, but thank you. He'll be on the Monday night call between the Eagles and the Chargers. I was going to try to read his lips, but I wanted to be fair to him. But, yeah, I mean that. That's why when I think of, you got so much talent, but you're using it in a wrong way. And Steve Young mentioned that when he joined us this week. He's like, I'd rush for a touchdown. And Bill Walsh would say, what are you doing? And Steve said, I'm scoring a touchdown. No, we don't need you to do that. We don't need you. Stay in the pocket. All right, we'll take a break. Brian Windhorst, top of the hour on the future of Giannis in Milwaukee. More phone calls after this.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paulie]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Paulie]

Within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. One of my college sources said that got to give credit to South Florida for what they did to bring in Brian Hartline, the offensive coordinator at Ohio State. And he was in line for, no pun intended, Penn State. But South Florida got him. He's going to stay with Ohio State during the playoffs, and then he's going to take over for South Florida. But South Florida is going to step up with its resources. They're going to try to be a Power 4 team. They want to get in with the big boys, and they have a new funding department, and South Florida is trying to be a player. They got Brian Hartline, who's done a wonderful job at Ohio State. See, I. I didn't know if he had the experience for Penn State. Now he knows the Big Ten. He played at Ohio State, and I thought he might be the guy for Penn State where you're going to get a young guy in there and you're going to take him from Ohio State. But South Florida did a wonderful job. It was a sneaky, sneaky hire. And Paulie goes. Brian Hartline game. Where's he going? I went Penn State because I'd been told that that might be the place. Now it's South Florida. Yeah, Paulie.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. USF. USF is 9 and 3 this year. It's not a rebuild that he's going to. They just got their coach taken from.

[Paulie]

Them, so they were ranked 18th at.

[Dan Patrick]

One point in the season. That's a really nice situation.

[Paulie]

Yeah. And they're going to spend money. You know, everybody sees this opportunity where you. Not necessarily the big boys, but you can join the big boys and you got to spend money, and that's what South Florida is planning on doing. Okay, we're going to play the. What exactly is Josh Allen trying to say here? He was asked about the pressure to win. Here's the Bills quarterback. It makes your. Your decisions, it makes your. Your.

[Dan Patrick]

Your practice habits all that more meaningful.

[Paulie]

It feels like there's a lot of pressure.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, as the saying goes, pressures.

[Paulie]

Can make diamonds and burst pipes and mcdiamonds. I think that's how it goes. I'm not fully sure how it goes, but it's the. It's the best time to play play football.

[Dan Patrick]

It's when.

[Paulie]

When the stakes are high. You got to go out there and.

[Dan Patrick]

You got to perform your.

[Paulie]

Your job. Okay. Pressure burst pipes, but also makes Diamonds. Is that what Josh Allen is saying here? Yeah. Yes, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think he got a little loose. He was. He was right on the phrases pressure makes diamonds. It was General George S. Patton created that years ago. But there's another phrase, no pressure, no diamonds, that was also very popular in the 18 and 1900s. So I think he had it and got a little loose in turn four.

[Paulie]

But pressure also what creates leaks and blows out pipes or something. Marvin.

[Dan Patrick]

I think it's pressure bus pipes is the other thing.

[Paulie]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

So I guess you combine them into pressure makes diamonds or burst pipes. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Yes. Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

In Buffalo in the winter, if you.

[Paulie]

Have burst pipes, you're in a big jam. Yeah. That's not good.

[Dan Patrick]

No.

[Paulie]

Yeah. An arctic chill coming through. So turn your water off in the basement. Yeah. Yes. Todd. It seemed like he got a little tongue tied.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe he's just talking about the importance of controlling pressure.

[Paulie]

Pressure can be a good thing, but.

[Dan Patrick]

Pressure, if not handled well, can lead to a disaster.

[Paulie]

That's basically how it burst a pipe. Yeah, it could burst a pipe or it can create a diamond. Thank you, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

Every cloud has a golden ceiling, you.

[Paulie]

Know, so if the pipe burst, it's a bad thing, but if you get a diamond, that's a good thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Use pressure, you know, as a positive to motivate you, not to just knock you down and make you feel like you're. You're overwhelmed and can't handle it.

[Paulie]

Hold on, let me write this down. Pressure pipe bad. Pressure diamond good. Okay. Yeah. Paul. My wife once said years ago, she's.

[Dan Patrick]

Going to kill me for this. She goes, well, you got to read between the lines.

[Paulie]

I go, excuse me? I go read between the lines. She goes, limes. I'm like. It's lines.

[Dan Patrick]

You read between the lemons, I think.

[Paulie]

Of course, she also said, you're lying.

[Dan Patrick]

To my teeth one time. Not lying to my teeth. To my teeth. We're on our honeymoon. You're lying to my teeth.

[Paulie]

And you might have been.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Paulie]

And while lying through your teeth, I.

[Dan Patrick]

Want to read between the lines.

[Paulie]

Read between the limes is read between the lines. She said she Hilarious.

[Dan Patrick]

She said she heard it when she.

[Paulie]

Was like 11 years old and just.

[Dan Patrick]

Went with it ever since.

[Paulie]

That is so funny.

[Dan Patrick]

Fantastic.

[Paulie]

Read between the lines.

[Dan Patrick]

That's water over the bridge.

[Paulie]

Yeah. Usually you get that from songs where you think you're hearing something and then you realize that what you think you're hearing is not really what they're singing. But I haven't. I haven't heard things like that. Before. Yes, Marvin.

[Dan Patrick]

There's that song rocking around the Christmas tree. And the singer goes, maybe we'll have some pumpkin pie. I thought it was something else. Not pumpkin. I was like, cool. It's a little vulgar for the Christmas season.

[Paulie]

Maybe we'll have some pumpkin pie. And I was like, huh? Okay.

I randomly stumbled on to Stranger Things, the final season, and. And I've. I think I'm a couple of seasons removed, so I don't know exactly what the kids are doing. They should be driving cars, I think, at this age, but they're still on their bicycles and with their walkie talkies. And so I watched a little bit of it and then I realized I. I have no idea what's going on with Vecna and the kids. Yeah, they're all married in real life now.

[Dan Patrick]

And like.

[Paulie]

I know, I know. Millie Bobby Brown has a child that she adopted. She's married to Bon Jovi's son. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

I've never watched it. So they're still playing teenagers at, like, an advanced age.

[Paulie]

Yes. Oh, yeah. They're in their 20s and everybody has a bad wig on. They all have bad wigs. It's fun, though. I mean, it's like.

[Dan Patrick]

It's fun. It's coming to an end and it's definitely time.

[Paulie]

Yes, it is, but definitely time.

[Dan Patrick]

That doesn't seem like your kind of show.

[Paulie]

Gotta admit. First couple of seasons. All in. Yeah, they're great. All in. And then there was too much Vecna and, you know, they started to lose me after that. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

You watching any of that is one of the more stranger things, I think.

[Paulie]

As opposed to some kind of B.

[Dan Patrick]

Level college basketball game or something.

[Paulie]

Yeah. And then I'm watching the Beast in Me with Claire Danes and who's the. Her husband is married to someone famous who was in the Diplomat.

She was also in the Americans.

Anybody?

Anybody?

If we Google Diplomat?

[Dan Patrick]

Carrie.

[Paulie]

Russell. No, no. Kerry. Russell. Kerry. Russell.

Okay. I don't know why I said that.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paulie]

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