Hour 2 – College Football Needs a Commissioner, Bill Cowher

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show - Hour 2: College Football Needs a Commissioner, Bill Cowher

Date: December 1, 2025
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts & Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Episode Theme: Dan Patrick tackles turmoil in college football, calls for stronger leadership, analyzes NFL storylines, and welcomes Hall of Fame Coach Bill Cowher for a candid interview on coaching culture, pressures, and the current state of football.

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode focuses on the dysfunction in college football—a chaotic transfer portal, NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals, and coaches leaving mid-season—and argues for the necessity of a college football commissioner. The show also unpacks NFL storylines and features a lively interview with Bill Cowher, exploring his career, leadership philosophy, and takes on current league issues with humor and candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Coaching Chaos & College Football's Lack of Structure

• Dan Patrick argues for major reform: Dan expresses frustration about coaches like Lane Kiffin leaving during playoff eligibility, the unchecked transfer portal, and the NIL environment, calling for the installation of a college football commissioner.
  • Notable quote: "College football needs to have a commissioner. Greg Sankey needs to say, let me oversee this so we don't continue to do stupid things." (09:40)
• Example: Both North Texas and Tulane lost head coaches ahead of their contest; Lane Kiffin is introduced at LSU while Ole Miss is still playoff active.
• Dan critiques adult leadership: "All I keep hearing about the last couple of years, all the kids are ruining. No they're not. No, they're not. The grown ups are ruining it." (09:58)

2. Analyzing Playoff Selection and Team Performance

• College Football Playoff Selection Debates:
  • Dan and the Danettes discuss the importance of selecting the "best" teams, not just conference champions.
  • Focus on Texas: "If we're playing for the national championship, I gotta have the 12 best teams. And do I think Texas is one of those teams? Yes, I do." (11:47)
• Point Differential as Power Ranking: Paulie explains judging teams by point differential, citing the Seahawks as outperforming their record. (06:27)
• Reflections on team reputations and 'recency bias' (Miami vs. Notre Dame, Texas performance, etc.)

3. NFL Quarterback & Draft Talk

• On Arch Manning and NFL Draft Prospects:
  • Inside source tells Dan: "Arch Manning would be the number one pick in the draft if he was coming out. Now he can't, but he would be the number one pick.” (13:03)
  • Debate on “safe” draft picks vs. chasing upside (Chris Long analogy).
• Skepticism about overhyping quarterbacks due to media/family names, referencing Shedeur Sanders’ stock (17:32).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

Lane Kiffin, Coaching Moves & College Football Structure

• Dan Patrick: "You go. What else do you have? Well, simply, will LSU win a national title with Lane Giffen at the helm? Yes or no?" (03:01)
• On need for commissioner: “Here's when a coach can talk to another school. No coaches can leave during the season... You got to have somebody in charge who’s going to say...” (09:25)
• Paulie: “If there was a commissioner of college football, he wouldn't let Alabama play Wofford on November 12th. It wouldn't happen.” (10:15)
• Dan Patrick: “The grown ups are ruining it.” (09:58)
• Bill Cowher (on Lane Kiffin wanting to coach the playoff as he’s leaving): “You decided to go to LSU. Thank you and goodbye… To even ask for that question is like, that's arrogance. I think what happened there is a disgrace to the coaching profession…” (32:12)

On NFL Parity, Draft, and Quarterbacks

• Paulie: “I think the NFL teams will look at Arch Manning not for his upside but for his lack of downside. Like, he is a safe pick. It's hard to picture a Manning quarterback not working out to some level.” (18:44)
• Dan Patrick: “You know, you're trying to figure all of this out... we created, we the media. It's like, man, he's awesome. And then when he drops to the fifth round, we’re like, what's wrong with him? Okay, we over inflated him because we got caught up in Shador Sanders and the name.” (16:03)

Bill Cowher Interview (24:52–42:26)

• On pressure of coaching the Steelers, his hometown team:
  • “When I first got the job... my first goal was not to get fired in those first three years.” (24:52)
  • “There's enough pressure there... seeing what Chuck [Noll] had done... it was almost a responsibility I had, but also a connection.” (25:17)
• On Mike Tomlin and Steelers' firefans:
  • “They're very passionate fans… results will speak for themselves. But... he's not gonna let the outside noise influence his approach.” (26:04)
  • “When they start whispering, Dan, you know, it's probably not a good thing.” (27:08)
• College vs. NFL coaching structure: “I never even entertained [outside offers]… my fear of failure far exceeded my desire to win.” (28:34)
  • “I think the NCAA is really, it's the wild, wild west... the people that get lost in this are the players.” (29:37)
  • On NIL and player entitlement: “Sometimes you're not going to get entitled to something because you think you decide... You may have to work for a long period of time to get that opportunity... there's nothing wrong with a good work ethic.” (31:35)
• On quarterback vs. WR headaches: “You got to think like me, so that's the one… At times I gotta let them be them, too… that's the guy that's gotta be reflection of you.” (36:09)
• On Ben Roethlisberger:
  • “He starts pounding... I know he can hear us… said, grab that, and he goes, ‘I must have just came back on.’” (37:17)
  • “The one thing I knew about Ben... when the game was on the line and it was in the fourth quarter, he wanted the ball in his hands…” (38:20)
• On his mustache and Hall of Fame bust:
  • “I shaved, went down to Bald Head island... It was the best thing in the world… but my wife said, please don't shave again.” (38:24—39:32)
• Dan and Cowher mutual respect/joking about being ‘divisional opponents’:
  • “I look at you like, like a divisional opponent. I make it personal.” (41:42)

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NFL & College Football Rapid Fire

• NFL parity & playoff outlook: Bill Cowher notes, "I think the NFL is in a tremendous place... parity has never been greater... I think for the first time, we may have a seven seed and maybe two seven seeds that could win in the wild card." (34:41)
• Cowher on Green Bay & Dallas: Advocates for a playoff showdown - “Because I want to know, for once and for all… who was right, Micah Parsons or Jerry Jones?” (33:41)
• Thanksgiving football highlights:
  • "What do you think was the best game over Thanksgiving weekend?" (40:07)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• College coaching/Lane Kiffin/NIL/Need for Commissioner: 02:08–13:59
• Arch Manning & draft talk: 13:19–19:10
• Bill Cowher Interview begins: 24:52
  • Steelers pressure/Fans: 24:52–27:08
  • College vs NFL jobs: 28:34–29:31
  • NCAA Wild West/Player entitlement: 29:37–33:09
  • NFL parity/Playoff sleeper talk: 33:09–35:21
  • Relationship with quarterbacks, Roethlisberger: 35:21–38:20
  • Mustache/Hall of Fame bust stories: 38:24–39:32
  • Playful banter and signoff: 41:09–42:26

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Final Section: Best & Worst of the Weekend (46:18+)

• The Danettes and callers share personal and sports highlights/lowlights, weaving humor and insight (e.g., Fritzy's Hard Rock Cafe Thanksgiving in Amsterdam, UNLV gets into Mountain West title vs Boise St).
  • Lighter, anecdotal moments, keeping the show's trademark tone of light-hearted familiarity among crew and listeners.

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Episode Tone & Language

• Language: Conversational, irreverent, sometimes blunt, sarcastic banter throughout, especially in discussions around leadership failures and old-school coaching philosophies.
• Tone: Playful, deeply informed, critical of leadership at the NCAA/college level, respectful (and nostalgic) about "the way things used to be," with a constant thread of humor and mutual ribbing—especially between Dan and Bill Cowher.

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Episode Takeaways

• College football’s chaos—due to lack of oversight and rampant unchecked decision-making by coaches, ADs, and boosters—is threatening the sport’s integrity. A commissioner is urgently needed.
• NFL parity is at an all-time high; the playoff picture is wide open.
• Draft hype around big-name quarterbacks continues to skew perceptions (and scouting reports).
• Bill Cowher provides a seasoned, practical voice for coaching leadership, player development, and upholding football tradition.
• The show blends incisive critique with entertainment—offering both expert analysis and offbeat, genuine laughs.

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For listeners wanting candid sports talk, real coaching perspective, and insightful (but fun) debate on the state of football, this episode is a must.

Transcript

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[Paulie]

I always do this. I grade teams by point differential. The Seahawks have outscored their opponents by 133 points this season. Tampa Bay is in first place. They're 7 5. They've been outscored by 22 points. The Bears have the same record as the Seahawks. They've only outscored their opponents by six points. It's almost like not a strength of schedule, but almost like a power ranking with the point differential.

[Dan Patrick]

This is the first time in NFL history five division races either tied or within a half game through week 13 of a season. Also, this happens every single year. There are eight teams who are.500 or better that missed the playoffs in the previous year. Patriots, Seahawks, Bears, Niners, Jags, Colts, Cowboys and the Panthers. And the Panthers got my attention because I watched a lot of that game and I thought, all right, Matthew Stafford going to add to those touchdown totals. And then all of a sudden, that's a pick six. And I thought, oh, Carolina is not going to go quietly here and give them credit. And Bryce Young played really well. And yes, I know I might have to eat my words. I like Bryce Young. I just don't know if he's a franchise quarterback, but when he needed to, he did it. Carolina is now 7 6, their best record through Week 13 since 2017. Also. And I was probably critiquing the trade itself because they gave up an awful lot to be able to draft him number one. And Caleb Williams has played well. And a lot of times, you know, quarterbacks are measured against each other, especially if they're in the same draft. But you know, these comebacks here, that's 11 that he's had. That's the most in NFL history for somebody his, his age. And going toe to toe against the Rams team that can win the super bowl, that's very, very impressive. Alrighty, so we have a new poll question for hour two. Bill Cower will join us. More of your phone calls as well. Lane Kiffin being introduced today at lsu and I spent a lot of time in the first hour talking about this situation. College football has an issue here. And it feels like college football always has an issue. You know where the transfer portal and NIL coaches can go? They can go during the season. College football needs to have a commissioner. Greg Sankey needs to say, let me oversee this so we don't continue to do stupid things. And that's really what's happening here. You got to have somebody in charge who's going to say, here's our transfer portal. Here's the money with nil. Here's the collectives, here's when a coach can talk to another school. No coaches can leave during the season. I mean, these are things that need to be cleaned up. It's not just Lane Kiffin. He's just the latest and there'll be somebody else and then somebody else and somebody else. But college football, you want to expand the playoffs. So that means more coaches who are maybe in the playoffs could be leaving for another school. North Texas is playing Tulane this next weekend. Both coaches already gone to new schools. Lane Kiffin was going to host a playoff game. He's going to lsu. Crazy. And that's why when all I keep hearing about the last couple of years, all the kids are ruining. No they're not. No, they're not. The grown ups are ruining it.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paul, and we've said this 100 times, if there was a commissioner of college football, he wouldn't let Alabama play Wofford on November 12th. It wouldn't happen. Those games, you know, they don't happen all the time. But that would never be allowed to happen. A scheduling person.

[Dan Patrick]

So college football, you know, Texas may not make the playoffs, but Texas is on my short list. If you don't want to play Texas, and this should be the goal of the college Football playoff committee. I want the best teams that I can put in there. Now, some are automatic qualifiers, but these other teams, the at large, Texas is really good right now and I can't let. Let's say they didn't play Ohio State to start the season. Let's say Texas had two losses. Do we look at Texas differently? And the answer is yes. Oh, they got three losses. Nobody gets into the playoffs with three losses. Who are the better teams? Notre Dame don't want to play them, but they're going to get in. Virginia might get in. North Texas might get in. I know we love the participation trophies where when you won your conference, so come on in and you won your conference, I want you to be the best teams. And I don't know if we always get that, but I hope we're getting better at getting the right 12 teams in there because that's what we want. I mean, I love honoring somebody who had a really good season, but if we're playing for the national championship, I gotta have the 12 best teams. And do I think Texas is one of those teams? Yes, I do. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paul, I, I, the Miami, Notre Dame thing is really interesting. Miami's won four in a row. They, their two losses are to SMU and Louisville. Those aren't great, but they only lost them by a total of like eight points. It, I, it feels like Miami's going to get host.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I can't punish Notre Dame. They played Miami at Miami and they lost to A and M on a last second. That's a really good team. Now granted they played Stanford, but that, that's a really good team. Yes.

[Marvin]

Marvin, this might be recency bias because of how Miami's performed the past maybe 15 years. If this was 2001, Miami's not getting hoes, correct?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, they're not. No. But they're not anywhere near that kind of team.

[Marvin]

Oh, no, no, I know. I'm just talking about the reputation of the you in 2025 as opposed to the late 90s or even early aughts.

[Dan Patrick]

But Texas is a really good team and to beat A M and Arch looked really good. He didn't look good start of the year. He looked a little bit overwhelmed, but he has played extremely well. I did talk to an NFL source who said Arch Manning would be the number one pick in the draft if he was coming out. Now he can't, but he would be the number one pick. Well, he can after this year, Right? He would be junior eligible.

[Paulie]

He's eligible.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. So my source said I think he would be the number one pick in the draft. Do I think he's a great quarterback? No. Do I think the name and sort of the potential and there's no great quarterback in this draft. When you think about it now, we thought it was. We thought that, oh, man, this is a quarterback. Rich Mendoza is really good. But I didn't. And my source said there's nothing that jumps out at you, but that. That's not a bad thing. It's that he doesn't have a weakness. He just may not have that. Oh, my gosh, look how great he is. So. But Arch will probably stay for another year. Yeah.

[Paulie]

Paul, it's so, so tough. I don't want to push the Arch Manning narrative because there's been no information to say he's going out. The New Orleans Saints right now have the second pick of the draft. The Titans have the first pick. And you would think that they're not taking a quarterback, but, oh, man, can you imagine if New Orleans is sitting there at two Unlikely.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know, and he wouldn't beat out Shador Sanders with the Browns, of course, if he went there.

[Marvin]

With Nick Saban.

[Dan Patrick]

Just joking. Yeah, I'm just joking. Just add a little levity there to the Shadore Sanders situation. Not a good. Not a good day for him. Or the Cleveland Browns.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paul, I want to go back to that. If Arch Manning was eligible in this draft, the tentacles.

[Dan Patrick]

But he is.

[Paulie]

I'm sorry. If he was out for this draft, he was included in this draft. You got the Tennessee Titans, who would love to have a Manning on their roster. You have the New Orleans Saints, which it seems like destiny. Then the Giants right now have the third pick. I know they have Jackson Dart, so they're not doing it, man. They would have wanted to. Then it goes Vegas, Cleveland and the jets have the seventh pick.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, man.

[Paulie]

Oh, man.

[Dan Patrick]

There's some teams that, you know, need quarterbacks there, but I don't know. You know, you're trying to figure all of this out and. But what you're seeing with Arch Manning is it's a nice little comeback for him, I think, sometimes. You know, once again, we watched him in September and he didn't look good. Then all of a sudden you forget about him. And then all of a sudden you watch the A and M game and you go, okay. I mean, got to acknowledge he wasn't going to, you know, take the easy pass and, you know, be in the HOV lane right to the Heisman. But I think he is. He's done. He's Done well in, in this comeback here. Yes, yes, Todd.

[Marvin]

But you always say in terms of the draft, you know, get, don't get a quarterback. Get your quarterback. If you're not in love with the guy, if that's not your guy, look at another position just to pick someone, just to check the QB box and is a detriment.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, we have that where every year it feels like, you know, somebody will go, all right, let's take that quarterback. Let's go up and get that quarterback. Now they are trying to get their quarterback. I just think sometimes you reach. The quarterback should be there that you can't pass up, you know, like Atlanta. I just didn't. It felt like a reach since you spent all that money on Kirk Cousins and I don't. Michael Penix could turn out to be the next Steve Young. But I've seen too many teams take a quarterback because, well, we got to go get one. And you're right, some aren't. I mean, we thought Shador Sanders was the top three pick right in the draft. Dion was saying, hey, you know, I'm telling these teams not draft him a week before. It's like, oh, man, Shador gonna go first round, of course. And then all of a sudden the scouts get to look at him. They do their interviews, they do their due diligence. And then. But we created, we the media. It's like, man, he's awesome. And then when he drops to the fifth round, we're like, what's wrong with him? Okay, we over inflated him because we got caught up in Shador Sanders and the name and maybe he turns out to be a good quarterback. I'm glad that he's getting a couple of starts here because be fair to him and Dylan Gabriel, because if you move on and get another quarterback, at least you've given them the opportunity. Yes.

[Marvin]

Marvin, do you think Archman might turn into a Shador situation from the fact of. All right, we'll get him because of the name and because of who he's related to, but he might not be as good as we think he is, but he's a great story and he's going to lead Sports center in every other show.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I don't want that. I don't want a great story or a covered story because I do think that this will come back and hurt Shador Sanders, that he might be viewed as a Tim Tebow kind of quarterback, that he's either starting or you can't have him on your roster because he's going to get so much Attention here.

[Marvin]

Yeah, Mark, but that happened with Quinn, yours in Archmanic. Well, is Arch going to get in the game? So that might be the same situation because. And it's not there for. Well, it's not Arch's fault. Arch is just trying to be out there and be a good teammate and play. But because of his last name, the cam, the camera's going to be on him no matter what.

[Dan Patrick]

It's our fault. We're the ones who do this. Everybody clamoring for Shador Sanders. When's he going to get in? Can I. Is he going to. Does he get the game ball? I mean, why didn't he get the game? He didn't get to first. First round, first team reps. Like, what's going on here? So we're the ones that create this. Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

I think that the NFL teams will look at Arch Manning not for his upside before his lack of downside. Like, he is a safe pick. It's hard to picture a Manning quarterback not working out to some level. Almost like, remember when Chris Long was the number one pick of the draft out of Virginia and that was a draft that didn't have an alpha dog, a clowny type player. And I think they took Chris Long because of his family lineage and they said, well, he'll be good for a long time and it's, it's a very safe pick.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, let me take a break. I got Bill Cower set to join us coming up.

[Marvin]

Yes, Marvin, don't make coach angry this time.

[Dan Patrick]

I think he likes getting fired up. I do. Sorry for the cold. It still remains here. So trying to plow through this. All right, we'll take a break. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington.

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[Bill Cowher]

Title? Well, I mean, I think when I first got the job, I told you, Dan, my first thought when I went back to Kansas City after I was offered a job and I laid in bed that first night and I said, wow, if I don't screw this up, I can go back to my 20th high school class reunion as the head coach. So my first goal was not to get fired in those first three years. Going back there during the course of that time and just seeing what Chuck had done with that team and how that, the renaissance of the 70s, how it uplifted that whole city, it was almost a responsibility I had, but it's also like a connection that you had with the people that were there. And, you know, I identified with the hard, the lunch pail, hard working people, the blue collar element of it. I worked in steel mills. I always had a summertime job in Pittsburgh. So I understood what they were looking for. There's a very passionate fans, very knowledgeable fans about football. And so through the course of time, it was more of a responsibility I felt like I had to represent that.

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[Dan Patrick]

City. What do you make of the fire Mike Tomlin chants that we heard yesterday towards the tail end of that.

[Bill Cowher]

Performance? Well, I mean, like I said, they're very passionate fans and you know, and I think it's, you know, listen, where they are Right now, they're 6 and 6. They've not played very good football these last, you know, what, two and five in the last seven games. So it's a scenario. But the fact of the matter is, we know with five games to go, they still have a chance to win their division. They're not trending in the right way, I think on either side of the ball. And going up against Baltimore Ravens now, they got them two more times. They got to still play the Detroit Lions, the Cleveland Browns, and Nelson still gotta play the Miami Dolphins. So we'll see what happens. I think again, you know, results will speak for themselves. But I think from Mike's standpoint, I know one thing, he's not gonna let the outside noise influence or how he's gonna change his approach to this next game. He knows it's a lot at stake. They're not playing great football right now. He's got to find a way to rally that group and get them to believe that they still have a chance to win this.

[Dan Patrick]

Division. Did you get fire chance when you were there in.

[Bill Cowher]

Pittsburgh? I don't know. I got a fire chance, but I think that I was. You know, there was some people that when you, when you had a losing year and you walk past them, people start to whisper before they say, hey, coach, great to see you. When they start, when they start whispering, Dan, you know, it's probably not a good thing. So when you walk by and people are whispering, that's probably a good sign that things are not going that well. When they walk by and it's going well, they're going, hey, coach, great job, good luck. Hey, love what you're doing. Hey, you might want to like throw the ball a little bit more. Okay, gotcha. You know, you're right on. So I got to the point, actually, I said, you know, my point is when we won, I had no problem stopping the way home from gas and getting gas. When we lost, I waited till I kept. The night was dark. It was about 10:30, 11. I was at the gas station and I didn't want to hear about it, honestly, in the morning on the way to work, like, you know, I didn't want to hear about everyone's opinion because they would, everybody would pull up right next to me and they would be. Act like they're pulling up. Their, their gas tank was absolutely full. They would even put the nozzle in. They would stand there in front of their cars and tell me everything that I should be doing. We're not running the football enough. You're too conservative. You, like we have no one's rushing the quarterback and like, you need to make some changes on that team. And even with your coaching staff. Now we go, yes, yes, yes, and yes. You're probably right. I need to.

[Dan Patrick]

Reevaluate. What kind of job offers or feelers did you get when you were with the Steelers? How often does that happen on an NFL.

[Bill Cowher]

Level? Oh, I, I never even entertained. I don't think it doesn't, it doesn't happen at all. I think once you're with, when you're with a team like that, you're trying, you're just trying to win year to year. You know, my, my, my fear of failure far exceeded my desire to win. I did not want to fail and get fired. I mean, that was always over top of my head. And I just knew results oriented business. And if you didn't produce, you're gonna be asked to move on because that's just the nature of that profession. So I understood that getting into that profession. But, you know, you never think about the next job. At least I didn't from my standpoint. I, again, I've been in one place for a long period of time, Dan. I was in Pittsburgh for 15 years. I've been in CBS for 19 years. I'm not the kind of guys looking for the grass being greener on the other side. I like to be appreciated. And if I appreciate you, get the very best of me. You know what? I appreciate being able to go to work while I am.

[Dan Patrick]

Appreciated. But it's standard procedure in college football now. Why is.

[Bill Cowher]

That? I don't know. I go back, I think it's, I think it's the lack of structure that the NCAA has right now in terms of these timetables, in terms of the pool, the transfer portal that takes place, allowing coaches to leave before they're into their contracts to go to other places. It doesn't happen in the NFL. There's a very, there's a very disciplined structure that we have there. There, there's a salary cap, there's a time from free agency that happens afterwards. You know, head coaches aren't going to be able to go from one team to another because you're not even talking to another team. Now. The biggest thing in the NFL, to me, the problem that you have, if indeed it is, and I didn't think it was, was your assistance because at the end of a season and you're in the playoffs, the assistants have an opportunity to talk to other teams. But I always looked at that as a feather in your cap. And I always thought to him, because I know when I was getting interviewed at times that, you know what, my resume is being put on that table with that playoff game. So I was more inspired to do well in that playoff game. As opposed to thinking about putting your staff together, thinking about, you know, what you're going to do and your mind isn't on the game. I don't think that's the case. So I don't think we have that in the National Football League. I think the NCAA is really, it's the wild, wild west. I've said that out there. I said it yesterday, went on a little bit of a rant. It's just a problem for me is that the people that get lost in this are the, are the players. And the message we're sending to them, the lack of trust that they're going to start having in our institutions, in our systems, because you know what? That's what we were going to lose. If you're telling them one thing and you're doing another thing and any other part of that is the entitlement that we now are doing with young players. When a quarterback is making $4 million a year and the lineman that's up there has got a four year scholarship and it's getting paid nothing, okay? Because you know what, 1% of the people in college are going to play pro, teach them life lessons about what business is like, what the going into the next level of life is about responsibility, having a job, working for someone and having the mes to a boss and work your way up the ladder. You know, sometimes you're not going to get entitled to something because you think you decide you Have a part of it. You may have to work for a long period of time to get that opportunity. There's nothing wrong with a good work ethic, a degree of saying, you know what? I'm going to compete for whatever I need to compete for, because you know what? That will serve you better in life than being entitled and being handed something that really to me is, they're too young to be given that kind of.

[Dan Patrick]

Money. If you were the Ole Miss athletic director and Lane Kiffin said to you, hey, I want to coach this team in the playoffs, you would have.

[Bill Cowher]

Said you decided to go to lsu. Thank you and goodbye. What let you come here? Let you come here for the next month and talk about how great LSU is over Mississippi? You kidding me? Seriously? To even ask for that question is like, that's arrogance. You know, that's arrogance. I think what happened there is a disgrace to the coaching profession because I would just say this. The coaching profession is about developing young men. It's not about chasing the greener grass to somewhere else. It'd be an ambulance chaser and go, oh, I can fix you. And then when you fix that, let me go here and fix that. It's about developing young men. It's about trying to create tradition, pageantry for the institution that you work for. We had robbery weekend. We just came off of what's a robbery anymore. What's. What's a conference anymore. I'm telling you, we're losing some of the very core fiber of things that we have grown up loving about college football, and we're watching it deteriorate right before our.

[Dan Patrick]

Eyes. Talking to Bill Cower, the Hall of Famer and Super bowl champ with the Steelers. You know, some of these teams we wrote off back in September, maybe in October, like the Texans, the Dolphins, the Niners with their. Their.

[Bill Cowher]

Injuries. How about the.

[Dan Patrick]

Cowboys? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're dangerous. I don't know if they have enough time, but, you know, you beat the Chiefs and the Eagles over a span of four days. You have to get everybody's attention there.

[Bill Cowher]

Coach. I would think so. And the job that Brian Schottenheimer has done through the course of everything that they've dealt with down there, you know, and hey, I would love to see the Green Bay packers and the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs, okay? Because I want to know, for once in fraud, because they met once and it was a tie, who was right, Micah Parsons or Jerry Jones? So get me into the playoffs where we can't end this thing in a.

[Dan Patrick]

Tie. Do you Think they both.

[Bill Cowher]

Won. I do, I do. I think, you know, we sat there and criticized Jerry all this time for what he did, but I think going on, getting Quinn and Williams overshone came back, you know, and Wilson came in. And all of a sudden, now, these last three games, this defense has taken on a different identity. Matt Eberfluous. Jerry stayed with him. Brian has stayed with him. I think Brian has called an amazing offensive games week in and week out. The offense is playing at a very high level. I think they're playing with a lot of confidence. And I think the question is, as you stated, Dan, is that did they dig themselves too, too big of a hole? I don't know. But I know there's still five games left for these guys and anything can happen because I think it's really shrunk right now. The National Football League, their parity has never been greater. Every team that you think is on top, we saw the Rams get beat by Carolina. We saw last night the Denver Broncos get taken to overtime by the Washington Commanders. And who knows what's going to happen tonight with New England and the New York Giants. So I think the NFL is in a tremendous place from the standpoint that it's going to go down to the final weeks. And I think for the first time, we may have a seven seed and maybe two seven seeds that could win in the wild card.

[Dan Patrick]

Round. Was it tough as a coach, tougher to understand your quarterback or the wide receivers that you.

[Bill Cowher]

Had, they go, they go hand in hand. I think the wide receivers, you know, I think the quarterback is going to touch the ball every game, every. Every play. The wide receivers, you got kind of like you kind of massage them a little bit because you want them to block for. Want them to do the dirty work, but you better give them the ball a little bit, too. So, like, trying to be able to keep people happy is like the job that I think of a coordinator to do. Get a guy involved early for the quarterback to do to make sure he can massage all the egos that's in there in that huddle that he's got. Because a lot everybody wants to have the ball at the end of the game. And really the only one that's going to have the ball at the beginning every play is going to be that. Is going to be that, that. That.

[Dan Patrick]

Quarterback. So.

[Bill Cowher]

Quarterback. I just think the quarterback is. Becomes a reflection of the head coach at some.

[Dan Patrick]

Point. And I think it drove you crazier, Ben, or your wide.

[Bill Cowher]

Receivers. Well, I didn't let the wide receiver they didn't bother me. Ben drove me crazier because I. Because he had to be a reflection of me, Dan. So that's what I'm saying. Give.

[Dan Patrick]

Me. Give me a 4.

[Bill Cowher]

Inch. I don't worry about. I didn't worry about the wide receivers. Like, they're gonna. They're gonna be mad. They're gonna. They're gonna say all these things. That's fine. I get it. They know they want the ball. They want it for all the right reasons. But the quarterback, like, you guys, you got to think like me, so that, like. And so it's like, that's the one in. At times. I gotta let them be them, too. So that's that little fine line of give and take, you know, and that's. So that's. That's the guy that's gotta be.

[Marvin]

Reflection.

[Bill Cowher]

You. I think there's no greater example that. And you're seeing Bo Nix and Sean Tate. I think they. They are working hand in hand. And Sean appreciates Bob. I'm sure Sean wants to stay on Bo to try to get him to be able to be that, you know, toughlin guy that's going to be really good in the tough situations. And so it's. It's kind of fun to watch these young quarterbacks evolve with these. With. With their.

[Dan Patrick]

Coaches. I thought it was funny you told the story where Ben acted look like. Like he couldn't hear you when you were calling in.

[Bill Cowher]

Play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He starts pounding. He starts. And I'm thinking, you know, I know he can hear us. I know he can hear us. So I said, grab that. And he goes, I said, grab that helmet. Susie comes off that field and they grabbed him. He says, they go, it's working now. And I go, ben, it's working. He goes, I must have just came back.

[Dan Patrick]

On. Well, he was good enough that he could still do.

[Bill Cowher]

That. Yes, yes. I mean, he would. Like, he would. We would have the banter back and forth, and it was respectful banter. He always knew where I stood, and I always appreciated where he was at. Didn't always agree with it at times. But you know what? You earn the right to have that ability, to have that input, to have that respect. The one thing I knew about Ben Roethlisberger, that when the game was on the line and it was in the fourth quarter, he wanted the ball in his hands. And you know what? There was probably no other player that I would have wanted to have the ball in their hands than.

[Dan Patrick]

Him. When was the last time you didn't Have a.

[Bill Cowher]

Mustache? Ah, good question. You know, I had shaved it. I shaved, went down to Bald Head island one time, like my fourth year, and I said, you know what? Everyone's recognizing me down here. So I shaved it. And I'm telling you, it was the best thing in the world. I'd be walking by people and they're like, you know, I mean, hey. I'm like, like, hey, go. Hey. Hey. You know, Coach Collards on this, on this, on this island, I go, really? Where's he at? So it was, you know, so it was, it was. It's been a while. It's been a while. It's not a good look. At least for me right now. It's just, it's not a good.

[Dan Patrick]

Look. But did you, did you have bust approval for the hall of Fame for your.

[Bill Cowher]

Mustache? Yeah, I, I. Wow. That wasn't even an option. I mean, it had had to be that, because how would you even.

[Dan Patrick]

Show it to you.

[Bill Cowher]

Before? Yes, there was that, and then they kind of excel, you know, I think they accentuated the chin a little bit. I don't think it's that bad, but they, which was. I, I don't know if I agree with that, that, that portrait of it, but that's.

[Dan Patrick]

Fine. Did your wife have a say in.

[Bill Cowher]

This? Yeah, I think when I shaved it, the first thing she said, please don't shave again. So in other words, how long is it going to take to grow back? So I think that got, that was my first sign that, you know what? Okay, maybe it's not a good.

[Dan Patrick]

Look. It's not leaving. Not leaving. Great to talk to you. And we played nice today. Look at.

[Bill Cowher]

That. I know, I know. You know. Well, you know what I think coming off, coming off the, what happened yesterday. But let me ask you, did you have a nice.

[Dan Patrick]

Thanksgiving? It's still going on, coach. It's not a day. It's really a spirit that I.

[Marvin]

Have.

[Bill Cowher]

Yeah. Well. So let me ask you, what do you think was the best game. What do you think was the best game over Thanksgiving weekend with, with the NFL? Green Bay, Detroit, Dallas, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Joe Burrow, Baltimore or Eagles and.

[Dan Patrick]

Bears? I would say Dallas and Kansas City because that's, that, that's a heavyweight fight. And, and you know, the hype involved with that, and it lived up to it. And Dallas winning that game, I thought made for great content. I think Joe Burrow coming back and doing what he did against the Ravens, that's pretty big. And now you got Steelers and the Ravens coming up this next.

[Bill Cowher]

Weekend. Can you imagine if the 4 and 8 Bengals get Joe Burl back, they can still win the division. They really.

[Dan Patrick]

Can'T.

[Bill Cowher]

Yeah. Now they gotta go to Buffalo this next week. So we'll see. The NFL has never been so much intrigue, so many storylines. It's never been better. So let's, let's talk again in about a month and see who's still in it.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay? Yeah, I'll make it a.

[Bill Cowher]

Date. Okay, that sounds good. Well, I'm glad you had keep the spirit going because you were really good today. You didn't even like you, like, you were actually trying to get me ask some really good questions. It was really.

[Dan Patrick]

Good. Yeah, I wasn't going to do, I was going to be nice. I was going to play nice. But I can't guarantee in a month from.

[Bill Cowher]

Now. No, I, I, I totally expect that. I never come on with the expectation of you being nice. I prepare myself in the.

[Dan Patrick]

Morning. I'll bet you do. You psych yourself up to. Come on. Stare at yourself in the.

[Bill Cowher]

Mirror. I look like, I look at you like, like a, like a divisional opponent. I make it.

[Dan Patrick]

Personal. Would you want to hit me? Like tackle.

[Bill Cowher]

Me? No, no, I respect.

[Dan Patrick]

You. No, like a forearm.

[Bill Cowher]

Shiver? Well, no, just. I would probably bump you if I passed.

[Dan Patrick]

You. Okay.

[Bill Cowher]

Yeah. If you got like, if, like we, if we're walking down the same one, would you turn? Would you, you, would you like, be the one that gets out of the way if we're coming down the same path? Like, I, I, most of the time I would, but I think I would get out of the way of you because I respect you, but if you mumbled something on the way past me, if you start whispering, because I know if you're whispering, you're saying.

[Dan Patrick]

Something. Thank you.

[Bill Cowher]

Coach. All right, thanks.

[Dan Patrick]

Dan. Thank you. That's Bill Cower. Bill. It's Bill Coward, by the.

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There. That's him. That's the guy. Yeah. You know, Marvin said, are you gonna play nice with Coach Coward? Yeah, I mean, if we're in the same room, maybe not. No, I would definitely be on my best behavior. He looks like he would like to pop you once, that's all. Like just a, like a forearm. And I'd be okay with that. You know I would. Content. There he is, smiling. All right, we'll take a break. Our best and worst of the weekend. After this, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen.

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[Marvin]

Weekend. Best of the weekend. Quintrevian Wisner rushes for 155.

[Dan Patrick]

Yards. On.

[Marvin]

Friday. The Texas Longhorn score 24 second half points to beat Texas A&M 2717. That was impressive. Worst at home in the big house on Saturday, Michigan could only muster three field goals in the first half. Came up completely empty in the second half, losing to rival Ohio State 27 to.

[Dan Patrick]

9. Were you able to watch sports when you were in.

[Marvin]

Amsterdam? I was not. We were doing a lot of sightseeing and stuff. In the time difference was all wacky because games were being played like all hours of the night, middle of the night. So I was following it, you know, through stories and columns and websites. I did watch the Bronco game from the Philadelphia airport and on the.

[Dan Patrick]

Plane. Okay, what was the highlight of.

[Marvin]

Copenhagen? The highlight of Copenhagen was the Rijksmuseum. If I'm pronouncing that right, it was like, I'm not actually in Amsterdam. It was the Rick's Museum. We went to the Anne Frank house. So we went to this adorable little town that had a bunch of windmills that you can climb in and look how they make wooden shoes. Took a quick peek at the red light district. But I was with my wife and daughter. So it was a very, very quick, awkward peek. So we just kept the line moving just to check the box that we saw. The red light.

[Dan Patrick]

District. Did you wave? Did you wave to.

[Marvin]

Anybody? I took an extended glance and then I got pulled by my daughter saying that that's not nice what you're doing with your wife, my mom standing here. And then we just went about our business. But nice dinners. The Hard Rock Cafe had a Thanksgiving dinner.

[Dan Patrick]

Thing. So that's. We spent.

[Marvin]

Thanksgiving. That was the only place we could find that had turkey and stuffing and.

[Paulie]

Cranberry. That's the most Fritzy thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Ever. Rock in.

[Bill Cowher]

Amsterdam. And it.

[Marvin]

Was. It was really quiet. We went on a boat ride down the canals and just a lot of wonderful sightseeing. A very interesting, quaint.

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Cute. All right, Dylan Best and Worst of the weekend. All right, Dan Best. Our UNLV Rebels making the Mountain west championship against Boise State because of a compiling of different multiple national metrics to put them over New Mexico and San Diego State. They're all six and two and all four of those teams didn't meet this year. So they left it up to the nerds to figure out. Okay, and my worst, Dan. Thanksgiving Day underdogs go three zero outright. That was a personal worst. And it's the first time that all three Thanksgiving dogs have won since 2006 because that's when they added a third game. UNLV at Boise State. Boise State favored by three and a half left Mountain West. All right.

[Marvin]

Marvin. I got two best. First best. Josh Allen sets the all time record for rushing TVs by a quarterback with 76 passing. Cam Newton, he's probably going to hit 100. Other best. I know they lost, but Devonte Adams, two touchdown receptions. He leads the NFL in touchdown receptions with 14 this.

[Dan Patrick]

Season. Paulie best and worst.

[Paulie]

Best. Joe Burrow playing and winning for the Bengals on Thanksgiving night. I just, I think that's why he's such a popular player is that he didn't have to play. There's not a lot to play for and just it's great for him. It's great for his team and his image. The other best of the weekend. You know what, Dan? I love the FCS playoffs. My Yale Bulldogs were down big at halftime, 357 to Youngstown State. Then the Penguins puckered up a little bit. Yale scores 43:42 to win it at basically at the.

[Dan Patrick]

Buzzer. Johnny in Pittsburgh. Hey Johnny, thanks for holding. Best and worst of the weekend. Hey fellas. 63 huskier 263. First of all, collar. I mean, what a dude's dude. I just love his interviews. I love his takes. And my best and the worst Bill's winning this weekend. And the worst and the worser is obviously the link Kiffin saga and the dichotomy of that with what I witnessed at the game last night in Pittsburgh. A lifelong Bill fan but kind.

[Bill Cowher]

Of ambivalent towards the.

[Dan Patrick]

Steelers. But it really is sad where it's gone here. And hearing that chant, you know.

[Bill Cowher]

Whether famous or infamous, we all know owners in the.

[Dan Patrick]

NFL. One name that is off the lips of everybody out of respect is the Rooneys. When you start hearing this town.

[Bill Cowher]

With the Fire Talmud chance and then.

[Dan Patrick]

Questioning the Rooneys, you know, I just, it's. It's a sad sight for even a Bill's fantasy. Yeah, I don't know if it personal, it's just they want a winner, they want a playoff team. They're so used to this, they want something new. As if you know, somebody else coming in is going to change the fortunes of the Steelers. But local narrative, national narrative, feel different with Mike Thomas. But those chants yesterday. Wow. More phone calls coming up. Final hour right after.

[Bill Cowher]

This. What a matchup we got, y'.

[Dan Patrick]

All. This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop.

[Bill Cowher]

Action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chance echo drum.

[Dan Patrick]

Beat. Everybody showing that school.

[Bill Cowher]

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