Hour 2 - Criticism rachets up for Luka Doncic, Jim Jackson

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 2 - Criticism Ratchets Up for Luka Doncic, with Jim Jackson

Date: March 6, 2026
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Jim Jackson (Fox NBA and College Basketball Analyst)
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts / Fox Sports Radio

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Episode Overview

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show dives into several sports and pop culture topics, with an emphasis on two main threads: the recent surge of criticism regarding Luka Doncic’s body language and play with the Lakers, and the NBA landscape featuring rising star Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby"). Special guest Jim Jackson joins Dan to lend his insights on Luka’s situation, MVP discussions, and memories from his own playing career. As always, the show is sprinkled with humor, side discussions, and some lively debates among the Danettes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Changing Landscape of College Basketball Loyalty

[01:45–06:59]

• Dan shares a surprising statistic: only 22 major conference scholarship players will have played their entire four/five-year college careers at one school this season.
  • "A total of 22 major conference scholarship players can celebrate senior night as they've been at their school for four or five years. At one school." (Dan Patrick, 04:31)
  • The Danettes debate the nature of the question and joke about the show's unscripted chaos.
  • Commentary on how the transfer portal and NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals have shifted player loyalty.

2. Show Banter and Controversial Food Choices

[07:00–08:18] | [44:18–47:32]

• Meat Friday is more dramatic than usual: Indian food is served, leading to divided opinions.
  • Todd expresses reluctance to try Indian food.
  • Callers chime in, both defending and teasing the crew for their culinary hesitation.
  • "You guys are being soft... Indian food is fantastic. Butter chicken with some of the rice and the garlic naan. It's great." (Turzo, Caller, 44:18)
  • Dan and others ultimately commit to trying the food.

3. Luka Doncic: Is the NBA Turning On Him?

[08:19–17:43] | [30:20–36:08]

• Dan sets up the growing wave of criticism directed at Luka Doncic. Among the issues discussed:
  • Complaints about Luka’s body language, frequent arguing with officials, and defensive effort.
  • The challenge facing the Lakers to convince Luka this is his long-term home.
  • "Optically, his body language doesn’t look good... that's always been there. Now, it's being exposed." (Jim Jackson, 31:26)
• Jim Jackson on Luka’s situation:
  • The importance of distinguishing between perception and reality, since outside observers aren’t privy to daily team dynamics.
  • Luka’s visible frustration and complaints have alienated some fans and referees.
  • Jackson explains that historical stars (Jordan, Magic, Isaiah, Kobe, Larry) also argued with officials, but Luka’s reputation now “has gone overboard.”
  • On officials' response: "If they're tired of it, tech him up."_ (Jim Jackson, 33:25)
  • Dan notes Luka is close to a suspension for technical fouls.

Luka and Defense

• Jackson stresses that effort is the non-negotiable:
  • "I'm not saying that he has to be the best defensive player... but you gotta give the effort. You just can't lay on the screen... not run back... not rotate over." (Jim Jackson, 35:03)
  • Compares Luka to Steve Nash’s defensive shortcomings but notes Nash always tried.

4. The MVP Race and the "Wemby" Phenomenon

[08:19–09:31] | [36:28–39:59]

• The show debates whether Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby") could steal the NBA MVP.

  • Jim Jackson is cautious: "I don't think he can this year... I think when he [Wemby] is out of the lineup, that's how I think they start to determine MVP." (Jim Jackson, 36:28)
  • Discusses how value and statistics are weighed in MVP voting—sometimes numbers, sometimes team impact.
  • Commentary on Cade Cunningham’s impressive play and value to Detroit.
  • Points out that the new 65-game eligibility rule may exclude Jokic or SGA (Shai Gilgeous-Alexander) from MVP contention.
  • Jim supports the 65-game rule, championing that it forces players to prioritize participation.

  Notable Quote:
  "If the 65-game rule is going to be put into effect, and these are the number of games that you have to play... you gotta make it stick."
  — Jim Jackson, 39:59

5. Poll Questions and Lively Fan Engagement

[09:31–11:07]

• Current poll questions up for debate:
  • “The DJ Moore trade will make the Bills better, the Bears better, both, or neither?” (Audience leans Bills)
  • “If you could eat only one cuisine by ethnicity? Italian leads, Mexican close behind.”
  • “For the Bills: better to lose in the AFC title game or the Super Bowl?”
    • Most panelists prefer getting to the Super Bowl even if it's another loss.

6. The “Sports Emmy” Analogy

[11:07–16:43]

• The Danettes examine what’s more painful: losing in the big game or not being recognized at all, likening their six consecutive Sports Emmy losses to the Buffalo Bills’ Super Bowl streak.
  • "We are the Buffalo Bills of the sports Emmys. In fact, we're even worse ... from the standpoint of always losing." (Dan Patrick, 12:07)
  • They debate if they’d want to know if they consistently finished last in voting.
  • Lighthearted, self-deprecating banter about working harder after setbacks.

7. Iconic Nicknames in Sports

[24:28–29:41]

• Inspired by a caller, the crew debates the greatest sports nicknames.
  • “The Greatest” (Ali), “The Great One” (Gretzky), “Magic” (Johnson), “Air” (Jordan), “Tiger” (Woods), “Doc/Dr. J” (Julius Erving).
  • "Magic Johnson is the greatest nickname. Because they call you Magic instead of Irving.” (Marvin, 25:19)
  • Extended appreciation for Dr. J’s coolness and cultural impact; Jim Jackson shares a personal story of meeting his childhood idol.

8. March Madness Flashback: Jim Jackson on Playing and Losing at OSU

[39:59–42:22]

• Dan asks Jim which was worse: losing an NCAA Elite Eight game in overtime to Michigan, or just losing at that stage in general.
  • Jackson says the pain was about missing a Final Four, not the opponent.
  • Candidly admits he still can’t watch the replay, hoping for a different outcome.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Luka's Complaints:
  "If they're tired of it, tech him up..." — Jim Jackson, 33:25
• On Defense and Effort:
  "You just can't lay on the screen... not run back after you take a bad shot." — Jim Jackson, 35:03
• Dan Patrick as the Awards Underdog:
  "We are the Buffalo Bills of the sports Emmys... worse than the Buffalo Bills." — Dan Patrick, 12:07
• On Nicknames:
  "Magic Johnson is the greatest nickname. Because they call you Magic instead of Irving." — Marvin, 25:19

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Important Timestamps

• [01:45] – College basketball loyalty stat and ensuing debate
• [08:19] – Introduction to the Luka Doncic criticism discussion
• [30:20] – Jim Jackson on Luka’s body language, Lakers dynamic
• [33:25] – Jim Jackson: what refs should do about Luka’s complaints
• [35:03] – Jim Jackson: how Luka could improve on defense
• [36:28] – NBA MVP conversation, 65-game rule, Wemby’s candidacy
• [39:59] – Jim on the pain of falling just short in March Madness
• [44:18] – Callers react (and defend) the show’s Indian food adventure

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Tone & Style

The show’s signature blend of insider sports talk, pop culture asides, listener call-ins, and group ribbing keeps the tone conversational and inviting. Dan Patrick is both authoritative and self-effacing, with Jim Jackson providing veteran player candor and articulate analysis. The lighter moments—culinary complaints, nickname debates, Emmy groans—add texture and make the episode accessible whether you’re a deep NBA fan or just tuning in.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a snapshot of what makes The Dan Patrick Show popular: in-depth but approachable sports analysis, honest insight from those who’ve played and covered the games, and a wide-open forum for the personalities around the mic. The Luka Doncic conversation offers a rare mix of player- and coach-level perspective, while the MVP debate and pop culture detours keep things light and engaging. The episode is an excellent primer on the current NBA landscape—and on why everyone from players to hosts cares so much about those losses and honors, whether they’re on the court or at the Emmys.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour two on a Meat Friday, a controversial Meat Friday at that. There's been social unrest here on the Dan Patrick show, and it started as soon as they entered the building. We have butter chicken. We have lamb tikka masala and garden garlic naan and rice. Who has it better than we do?

[Jim Jackson]

Everybody.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. We have Indian food and Todd has really never had Indian food and I don't think this is when you start having it on a Meat Friday.

[Todd]

I feel that Dylan's been working harder. It doesn't mean I'm gonna eat it, but he has been like he always does. He's working hard on putting this all together.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. So that's the Meat Friday menu stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of The Dan Patrick Show. Phone calls are welcome. 877-3DP Show Stat of the day, of course. Brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. I don't know if we can follow up on this stat. I just got this stat and it's wild. If I said the total number of major conference scholarship players who have played their entire four or five year college career at one school. How many? How many players? 22 major conference scholarship basketball players who have played their entire four or five year college career at one school. Marvin, I'll let you throw out a number one One player has played his entire career at his college.

[Marvin]

The way things are going now in this climate.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd, how about you?

[Jim Jackson]

Six.

[Dan Patrick]

Seton, can you.

[Seaton]

These guesses now are really throwing me off. It's the total number.

[Dan Patrick]

The total number of players who have played their entire careers at one school in the 22 major conferences. These are scholarship.

[Seaton]

This year.

[Dan Patrick]

Their entire career, Their entire career.

[Seaton]

Right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Right now.

[Seaton]

Not all time.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no, no. Just this year. They're going to be celebrating senior night having played their entire four or five year college care. One school.

[Seaton]

I'm going to. Can I guess a percentage?

[Dan Patrick]

No.

[Seaton]

How many total players are there in those? 22.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know.

[Seaton]

Okay, 2000.

[Dan Patrick]

I just gave you the answer. A total of 22 major conference scholarship players can celebrate senior night as they've been at their school for four or five years. At one school, like Marquette has three players. Purdue, three players. Houston, two. Michigan State, two. Those are the only schools with multiple players.

[Seaton]

So I'm throwing a flag on this. I think this problem was in the setup.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Could have been Paulie, you Want to guess?

[Paulie]

225.

[Seaton]

22.

[Dan Patrick]

No, it's 22.

[Paulie]

Oh, I saw 22. I thought it was 22 conferences.

[Seaton]

I thought it was 22 conferences too.

[Dan Patrick]

Of the 22 major conference scholarship players who can celebrate senior night this season having played their entire four or five year college career at one school.

[Paulie]

22.

[Dan Patrick]

22. You did it.

[Jim Jackson]

Thank you, buddy.

[Dan Patrick]

Ow. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. This is the Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini American. Anybody who says this show is scripted, you got a good dose of why it's not. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

So you're just trying to be cute with us. Like what color is the red book they were just trying to pull a fast one on.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Seaton]

These are like those stupid SAT questions that it's like the answer was right there.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, No, I. I E. Me. But then I came back and cleaned up the mess. So 22 scholarship players from major conferences have played their entire careers at one school this season. This is what we're counting. So those players who have played their entire careers at. With four or five years at one school, and that's 22 poorly presented. Todd, I'm gonna.

[Todd]

Now you're not gonna let me eat Indian food?

[Jim Jackson]

What, are you gonna punch?

[Dan Patrick]

Todd, hurry.

[Jim Jackson]

Pie to the face.

[Todd]

Here it comes.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd, I was going to agree with you.

[Todd]

Well, you had already said that, but I just piled on a little bit. You said before, maybe I didn't present it. So great. I thought it'd be funny to double down and say, and poorly present.

[Dan Patrick]

And I agree with you.

[Marvin]

Okay.

[Todd]

And we all learned a lesson about the. The incense thing, which is good.

[Dan Patrick]

What are we doing?

[Todd]

It's all in good fun on a Friday. We're having fun. Except for the fact that we hate the menu for lunch. Everything else is good.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. But I tried to get it changed for the sake of, you know, the climate in here.

[Todd]

You could still salvage it by ordering some nice New Haven pizza. We have to eat something. Can't just be bagels and cream cheese.

[Dan Patrick]

You can. I can.

[Todd]

But I got this little alligator wallet arms.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Todd]

You have a quarter inch bigger arm than me. You should be able to get to your wallet faster.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you want me to order pizza?

[Todd]

If it doesn't hurt Dylan's Felix too much. I know. I would be devastated if I cooked and everything and you guys just made fun of what I made the whole day.

[Dan Patrick]

I am going to eat what Dylan is cooking today because I'm a team player.

[Todd]

Good thing we got all those dude wipes back there. For me anyway.

[Paulie]

Partnership.

[Seaton]

Do you have a Fridays Brought to you by Dude.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you have a container for your road trip home?

[Todd]

I have dude wipes in every section of the house. I have it in the trunk. I have it in the backseat. You have to be prepared for these things.

[Dan Patrick]

Alrighty. One hour in the books and we'll try to make it through two hours. Why is the NBA turning on Luca? Jim Jackson will join us coming up. Just feels like the criticism is starting to pile on Lucas, so we'll talk to Jim about that. Among other things. And the phenomenon that is Victor Wembanyama. He is must see tv. He is must not face if your team is going to play them in the postseason. Yes, Marvin, I know you have Joker

[Marvin]

as the best player in the NBA, but can there be a case for Victor because both ends of the floor,

[Jim Jackson]

he's.

[Dan Patrick]

He's there. I mean, he's. This isn't. You know, it's not like Cooper Flag, who could one day turn out to be maybe the best player. But, you know, Victor's team is winning. Mavericks aren't any good now, you know, you start to look at this and you go, okay. And I actually saw some analysts or former players who said, you know, who would you take? Would you take Victor, or are you going to go with Cooper Flag, you know, with their careers? And I go, wait a minute. Is this a trick question? Cooper Flag's a wonderful player. He. Not Victor Wembanyama. By the way, I think Cooper Flag is coming back tonight to face the Celtics, and Jason Tatum is expected to play. I got the Mavs getting 14 and a half points in that game against the Boston Celtics. Yep. At the Celtics, Mavs getting 14 and a half. All right, poll question. Seaton from hour one. And what are we going to go with an hour two?

[Seaton]

Well, we got out. We got three of them up there right now. We're going to stick with these for hour two. Some of them just went up controversial. Here's from Todd. The DJ Moore trade will make the Bills better, the Bears better. Both teams better or neither improves much. Right now, the Bills have gotten better, followed by.

[Dan Patrick]

Both teams are getting better.

[Seaton]

Okay, here's one from Paul. If you could only eat one food by ethnicity for the rest of your life, your actually, I'm sorry. Not for the rest of your life, but for the rest of your existence. Not just your life. The rest of your existence.

[Paulie]

Stretch it out a little bit.

[Seaton]

Chinese, Italian, Mexican, Indian, Italian, Italian currently has 50% of that vote, followed by a strong 40% for Mexican food. Okay, yeah, I could swap those two easily. I could go Mexican all day with a. With a. A B dish for the Italians.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Seaton]

Yeah. There's no wrong answer, I'm saying.

[Dan Patrick]

But no, there's a right answer, though. And that's Italian food.

[Seaton]

Mexican food, a little more versatile.

[Todd]

Whoa.

[Dan Patrick]

Dang. Well, I don't want to start a culture war.

[Seaton]

Are you sure? Because I just. I just got that, like, tickle in

[Dan Patrick]

my body of like, oh, can I

[Seaton]

piss off the Italians?

[Todd]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

Is he. I wouldn't do it. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. But, yeah, I'm always leaning.

[Seaton]

What shape do you want? Is really the question.

[Dan Patrick]

No, I want Italian.

[Seaton]

We got another one here from Marvin, too. This one is burning up. Social media if. Well, sort of for Marvin is a topic for Marvin, but if you're the Buffalo Bills. Would you rather lose in the AFC title game or the Super Bowl?

[Dan Patrick]

No, I'm not even letting you get to the AFC title game. Marvin. You lose in the second round.

[Marvin]

Yeah, but I'm only going off of what you said the Bill's expectation was. We have to get to the Super Bowl.

[Jim Jackson]

Yes.

[Marvin]

You don't know. It's not good enough. Winning for you is the expectation. If you're the Patriots. You know what?

[Dan Patrick]

I think it's a foregone conclusion that if you get to the super bowl, you want to win the Super Bowl.

[Paulie]

That's going to go viral.

[Dan Patrick]

I think. I think that they wouldn't. They wouldn't go, hey, we made it.

[Seaton]

Yay.

[Jim Jackson]

No, no, you're correct.

[Marvin]

But say, like the Patriots this past year, they got to the Super Bowl. Great season.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Marvin]

The Bills get to the Super Bowl. Now they got to win it. The Lions are in that same category of let's get to the Super Bowl.

[Jim Jackson]

No, no, no, no.

[Marvin]

That's not your expectations.

[Dan Patrick]

I go back to the sports Emmys. We are the Buffalo Bills of the sports semis. In fact, we're even worse than the Buffalo Bills from the standpoint of always losing.

[Marvin]

You're Josh Allen.

[Dan Patrick]

We have lost six in a row. We've lost six in a row.

[Marvin]

And the expectation is for us to win.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, but I want to be nominated. If we didn't get nominated, I feel worse than when we don't win.

[Jim Jackson]

No, you're right.

[Marvin]

But I think it's apples and oranges. You didn't fumble the sports Emmy. Josh Allen fumbled the ball right before halftime.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Seaton]

Technically, whoever edited together the Emmy reel would have.

[Dan Patrick]

That would be Mario.

[Seaton]

Mario's fault.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow. Paul in Raleigh. Hi. Hi, Paul. What's on your mind? Dan?

[Caller]

Dan at Happy Indian Friday. I have to. I've got Marvin. I've got your back on this. As a lifelong Bengals fan, I do not want to go back to the super bowl and lose. You have to go and win. I hate the Buffalo Bills, but you have to go and win. You can't go back there one more time and come back empty handed. Marvin, I got you back.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Thank you, Paul. If I'm a Bengal fan and you say I can go to the super bowl this next season and we lose, I'll sign up for that because how did it go last year and the year before that? You got to get there. You learn more by losing than you do by winning. The Buffalo Bills are the smartest franchise in NFL history. Yes.

[Marvin]

Mark but dp, you don't say that on the bus ride home from losing the sports semis. You don't have this speech. You're like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you're right. I probably ripped the show that ended up winning. Yes. I want to win.

[Marvin]

You're like, dan Orlowski. How do you win?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but I. But we. I always say we got nominated. Be proud. There's only 12 of us on this show. We're going against, you know. You know, shows that have a hundred people working on them. Yes.

[Seaton]

Yeah. Being nominated is super important. Super important. It's like, not like, all right, just making the playoffs is like, okay, that's good. That's kind of bare minimum, really. But being nominated is like, man, we're top. Top five, top six, like, top whatever. That's pretty good. Of all the shows that were submitted, we're right in that top. Man, that's awesome.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Paul.

[Paulie]

We were nominated three years in a row, Went over three, then we skipped a year, and we were not nominated.

[Dan Patrick]

But I asked to skip a year because I didn't want you guys to feel the devastation. Very thoughtful. Yes.

[Seaton]

Yeah. But then we felt more devastated because we weren't even nominated. Actually, what you did was inspire us to work harder the next year because we were like this bs.

[Dan Patrick]

Hello. You see right through me. Yes. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

But at least the Bills know they came in second by losing the super bowl for us. It could have been second, it could have been fourth, it could have been fifth. We don't even know what you want

[Dan Patrick]

to know if you finish second or last of the shows that got nominated.

[Todd]

Initially, I wouldn't want to know, but increasingly, I'm starting to think I'd like to know where we finished in the voting for the times that we were

[Dan Patrick]

nominated, as opposed to wondering, Polly, could we ask somebody?

[Paulie]

Would you like me to ask my guy?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, okay, let's take a vote here. All right. Do we want to find out how close we've come to lose to winning a sports Emmy? I ask you, Todd, if Paulie, could find out the results of previous sports Emmys, that maybe we finished second or maybe we were the worst of the shows that were nominated?

[Todd]

I do. Only because, like, we get our hopes up, and if we're finishing regularly second to last or last, then I won't get too excited about this is the year, because how are we going to jump from last to first in a category that's very strange?

[Dan Patrick]

What is your answer?

[Todd]

My answer is I would like to know where we finished in all the years that we were Seaton.

[Seaton]

Well, I. If you find out the answer, I want to know. But I'm hoping you can't get the answer right. I. I'm hoping you can't get the answer. I don't know if I could handle knowing that we were, like, a missed field goal away from winning. I really don't know that I can handle that. It would ruin my day. It really would. It would ruin my day.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Marvin.

[Marvin]

I'm a glutton for punishment, as you can see, so, yeah, I'd like to know.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but you don't want to be a Buffalo Bill fan and go to the super bowl and lose. So you're not a glutton for punishment,

[Marvin]

but it's not the same thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, it is. No, it's just as devastating to us as somebody losing the Super Bowl.

[Marvin]

But the Bills are used to it.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, are you typing an email to the sports Emmy committee?

[Paulie]

It's typed up and ready to send.

[Dan Patrick]

Send.

[Paulie]

It's good content.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, if it hurts, it hurts so good. Paulie, just hit send. Mo in Arizona. Mo, thanks for holding. Want to get you squeezed in here before we take a break.

[Caller]

All right. Morning, Dan. Dan, apologize for the black on black crime, but Black History month's over. Marvin, Are you serious? Like, as a 49ers fan, we know that that hurts so bad getting destroyed by Seattle last year and. Or this year, whatever, but, you know, I mean, like, that was much better. And then you don't have to hear the knickknack from all your, you know, same rival friends in same division. That just doesn't make any sense, you know, But I really came in to get on the Lakers, then been at home for about a month with a broken foot, so I'm part of the disabled Dan Patrick listening club. So, you know, even with the defensive debacle that the Lakers are going through, do you think they can flip a switch when. When the playoffs come on?

[Dan Patrick]

No. And, you know, I think we've said it before, Mo. There are certain teams that can do it. There are not as many teams as you think who can do it. I just don't see a good pattern. I don't see body language. They played defense earlier in the season, and I thought if they play defense like that, they can. They can challenge for a championship, but they can't play defense or they don't or won't in body language. And Luca and I want to talk to Jim Jackson about that coming up we'll take a break. We'll talk some NBA with Jim. Your phone calls update the poll results as well. We're back after this Dan Patrick show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio. And in addition to hearing us live

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[Dan Patrick]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award winning country music artist and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self doubt, mental health and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. I hate fame. I hate the word celebrity. I hate those words.

[Jim Jackson]

They make me uncomfortable.

[Dan Patrick]

But I think when you get to

[Jim Jackson]

a certain point, the fame or the

[Dan Patrick]

success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are.

[Jim Jackson]

The guy that says he's always going

[Dan Patrick]

to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Beau is born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts ready for

[Narrator/Announcer]

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[Dan Patrick]

The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict. A villain. A nurse named Lucy Letby.

[Jim Jackson]

Lucy Letby has been found guilty.

[Narrator/Announcer]

But what if we didn't get the whole story?

[Jim Jackson]

The moment you look at the whole

[Dan Patrick]

picture, the case collapses.

[Narrator/Announcer]

I'm Amanda Knox and in the new podcast the Case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt.

[Dan Patrick]

It'll cause so much harm at every

[Todd]

single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Listen to Doubt the Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

Jayson Tatum, set to make his season debut tonight against The Mavs and DraftKings has the over under at 12 and a half points for Jason Tatum. Mavericks are 14 and a half point underdogs. Cooper Flag set to come back. He's missed a couple of weeks, couple of phone calls in here, Aaron. In Virginia, as we wait for Jim Jackson. Hi, Aaron.

[Caller]

Hey, D.P. thanks for having me again. I got a take that I think is more controversial than the pants. But first, I just want to say, Fritzi, I agree with you. I've seen videos of Indian street food, and they're, like, scooping up with their hands, and that's just disgusting. But my take is everybody that I've ever asked that disagreed with me, most people put their socks and shoes on. They go, sock, sock, shoe, shoe. I go, sock, shoe, sock, shoe. I can defend it if anybody wants to.

[Dan Patrick]

What the. That's insane.

[Paulie]

Insane.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. I'm. It's. It's sock, sock, shoe, shoe. Yes.

[Paulie]

Paulie, you should be on a watch list if you do your shoes and socks like that.

[Dan Patrick]

Sock, sock, shoe, shoe. Did Cooper flag play that game in

[Paulie]

the loss of your magic?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, okay. Okay. All right.

[Paulie]

So it was his first game back. Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Fresh in Milwaukee. Hi, Fresh. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

What's up, DP And Danette? Well, dp, I think you. You did a great job on making a poll question this week. You brought up some excellent nicknames with Grandmama and Dr. Dunkenstein, and it got me to thinking, what are the five greatest nicknames in sports? Is it Air, Dr. J. Magic?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, it's the Great one or the Greatest. So Ali and Gretzky, I would start there and then work your way down. I mean, Air Jordan was great because it created a brand, a, you know, billion dollar brand. But Ali called himself the greatest and lived up to it. Wayne didn't call himself the Great One. He was called the Great One, but he lived up to being the Great One. You can have a great nickname. You just got to live up to it. Yes. Marv.

[Marvin]

I think Magic Johnson is the greatest nickname. Because they call you Magic instead of Irving, right? No one's saying, hey, Greatest, how are you? People say, magic, how are you? That's what I. That's what I take when somebody says a nickname. Like Babe Ruth. No, no one calls him George Herman.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but Babe isn't a great nickname.

[Jim Jackson]

Oh.

[Marvin]

I was just using it as an

[Jim Jackson]

example, as a nickname.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know why we're. It feels like we're feuding.

[Marvin]

You know what? I think we're getting spicy because of the Indian food. I think it Just turned us.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Yeah.

[Marvin]

Against one another.

[Dan Patrick]

But I don't want to go into the weekend like that. Okay, you're right.

[Marvin]

Dan, I love you.

[Dan Patrick]

I love you, too. I just want to make sure that. Did it feel like I was piling on? You know, the Buffalo? I mean, I tried to.

[Marvin]

No, I thought this was just good sports radio conversation.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Paulie.

[Paulie]

Magic is just perfect because he had it before the Lakers brought him in. He went there with the nickname, and he went to the right team and the right style. If you ever said to someone, you don't have to be a sports fan, hey, I just ran into Magic. You don't have to say Johnson.

[Dan Patrick]

And I would say Paolo Bancaro, your guy. Yeah. Feels like my magic have peaked. Well, they were. They were one of my up and coming teams, and then they just. They stop up and coming as a team. Yes. Marvin.

[Marvin]

Yeah. That's still your team, right?

[Dan Patrick]

They were. You know, each year I try to pick out a team, because three years

[Marvin]

ago it was like the Cavaliers.

[Dan Patrick]

I gave you the Cavs. I gave you Sacramento. No, but I gave you when they were a playoff team because they had Tyrese Halliburton. See, when you watch these teams, nobody else is watching, then you almost become an authority. Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

When you type the word magic into Google, the next word that comes out is Johnson.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Marvin]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Larry. Legend. Nice nickname. Pete Rose was the hit king. But you're talking about that tech. Your actual name, your nickname is. Is your first name to a lot of people.

[Paulie]

Tiger.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Tiger. Tiger's a great one.

[Marvin]

I think Dr. J's up there too. Because people would just say, hey, Doc.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, Doc. Yeah. Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

But Dr. J's was versatile. You could call him Dr. J. The Doctor Doc.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

Announcers would call him different things.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

And he was cool enough to have that nickname.

[Dan Patrick]

And when he got introduced when he was in Philadelphia, it was Julius. They had this great PA announcer, and he would give you that. Julius Irving. Irving. Awesome. Yeah.

[Seaton]

Still, seeing him in the airport's one of the coolest things the last 20 years of my life. It might be in the top five of just seeing Dr. J walk by me in the airport and being like, oh, my God, that's Julie serving her.

[Dan Patrick]

And then it was like my kids were going, hey, can we have permission to go and follow Dr. J.C. dan? I know. I said, go ahead, go ahead. Tell him I said hello. Because they just saw Dr. J in the airport. I think we were at LAX and all of a sudden he's just floating

[Seaton]

down the coolest stroll I've ever seen in real life.

[Dan Patrick]

Like a boss.

[Seaton]

Yeah, like a boss.

[Dan Patrick]

Jim Jackson Fox NBA COLLEGE BASKETBALL ANALYST and he's got Indiana at Ohio State coming up on Saturday. You remember the first time you met Dr. J?

[Jim Jackson]

Oh, do I? Oh, it was. It was unbelievable. 95, 94, 95. It was an all star game in Phoenix, and I finally got it because I grew up a Dr. J fan, okay? I wanted to have the afro. You remember Fisher said Pittsburgh.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jim Jackson]

Moses Guthrie. That's. That's Dr. J. So when I met him and I was listening to you guys talk about how smooth Doc is, it's unbelievable when he walks in a room, it's just like poetry, emotion, and I gotta. I still got the picture I had when I shook his hand, he had some glasses on. And it was just one of those moments where I was like, man, I just met. I just met Dr. J. And we've become really close friends, you know, since then. So it's. It's. It's surreal. One of my heroes growing up, man. Unbelievable, unbelievable human being.

[Dan Patrick]

And if I could attach soundtracks to certain athletes like Miles Davis or Coltrane, would have been Dr. J.

[Jim Jackson]

No doubt it had been something real smooth. Dramatic, heavy bass line, but smooth. With Doc just moving, man. He's still. He's still like that because I, you know, we got good friends, especially over the time covering the big three, and he's a big cigar smoker like I am. So just hanging out with him, hearing the stories about back in the day, about his progress, you know, through the ABA and NBA is nothing like it, man. To this day. Smoothness.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Personified, Help me understand what's going on with Luca. From the standpoint of everybody feels like there's. This is. It's open season on Luca that he winds a lot. Got another technical. He's, you know, doesn't play defense, you know, you know, the. It's now being exposed because every Laker game is under the microscope always. Okay, where. Where is this headed with Luca in the Lakers?

[Jim Jackson]

Well, it's tough, Dan, because we're not privy to the day to day operations every day in practice, the conversation. So you want to. You want to take pause to that a little bit and try not to evaluate everything by what you think you know. And see. Now optically, it doesn't look good optically. It was the same thing in Dallas with. With Luca, with his body language at times, with his persistent to persistence to always complain about files to the official that's always been there now, it's been some other players that have been like that in the past, too. But with Luca now being with the Lakers as well, the expectations, it just draws the ear of a lot of people. Now, keep in mind, this is a situation, too, because of the trade situation. The Lakers have to figure this out with Luca. That was one of the big things when the trade went through was like, okay, yes, we got the trade, but the Lakers still got to convince Luca that this is the ultimate and the final landing spot, you know, to sign his deal. So how that interaction between he and jj, he and new management continue to foster himself is very important to the future of this franchise. Okay. Because they put everything all eggs in one basket, basically, by going to get Luca. So they got to figure out a way to make it work. But it doesn't look good optically, with what's going on. I'm not talking about he and, you know, JJ Having some words on the sideline. Players and coaches do that all the time. That's. That's nothing new. But optically, his body language doesn't look good.

[Dan Patrick]

Does it ever help complaining to an official

[Jim Jackson]

in your mind as a player? Yes. You know, it does. But sometimes, you know, old school officials, the Earl Stroms of the world, the Dick Vivetta's, you can go up and talk to. Okay. And they'll tell you, like, okay, enough is enough. This is it. This is what's gonna happen. Or they'll tell you, you know, I missed that one. Okay. Now, I'm not saying that today's officials don't do it, but it was a different kind of relationship back then.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but Jim talking to an official and whining to an official, big difference.

[Jim Jackson]

Okay, what about yelling? Cause Mike yelled at a lot of officials.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jim Jackson]

Magic did. Isaiah did all the guys. You know, I know the legends.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Yeah. Yes.

[Jim Jackson]

Kobe did.

[Dan Patrick]

Larry did they. Yes, Larry did.

[Jim Jackson]

Yes, It. So. But you're saying whining, and I think with. With Luca, it's. It's gone overboard, and a lot of officials are tired of it. They. They really are, but they don't tech them up. So if they're tired of it, tech him up.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but he's on the. On the precipice of being suspended with his technicals.

[Jim Jackson]

Well, I mean, sometimes you got to go to extreme.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, he's not Rashid Wallace.

[Jim Jackson]

Well, what. Not. But you know what? Now, Rashid got text, and he knew it. Okay. And. But the officials made it a point, too, with Rasheed, that if you continue to do this, boom, you're out. They don't do that with Luca. See the difference?

[Dan Patrick]

So you think if they. If they say, hey, one more, you're gone. Yeah.

[Jim Jackson]

Tell them, Luca. Okay, enough is enough. Okay, one more. I got what you're saying. You want the file. But I could call the file on the other end when you reached in and we didn't call it. Okay, I could do the same thing. Now, how do you want it? How do you want to play this? Okay. I think you just got to be raw and honest with the player, because you got to give certain players you're going to give respect to, and they deserve it. You just tell them, like, now you're on my butt for this. But I could have called this couple of times down here, and I didn't. Not that I'm playing favors, but I'm trying to let the game go. So it's the same thing on the opposite end. That's. That's old school refereeing right there. That's what that. Okay, so now as a player, you got to make a decision. Okay. Do I really need to keep complaining and putting him in a situation or the officials in a situation where now they're going to kick me out or give me another text? Now, that's on me, because they told me exactly what is going to happen if I continue down this path. It's on me.

[Dan Patrick]

Can you make Luca play defense?

[Jim Jackson]

At times he has, but as a player, that's that. That goes back to not only just the coaching staff, but his teammates, how much respect he has to really want to play this game. At the end of the day, Dan, that's. That's all it is. And again, I'm not saying. And I don't think anybody's saying that he has to be the best defensive player, that he has to be a lockdown defender, but you got to give the effort. You just can't lay on the screen. You just can't not run back after you take a bad shot and not get back in transition. You cannot not rotate over to take a charge or step in and help your teammates. That's something. Individually, that's something that, you know, his teammates got to expect out of him and vice versa. He has to want to give that to his team. I play with Steve Nash. Steve, probably he'll tell you he wasn't the best defender, but he gave the effort, and that's what all teammates want to see, is that. Just give me the effort.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you think Steve Nash could guard me?

[Jim Jackson]

Oh, he'll lock you down Dan. I mean he'll get up underneath you all day long. That one step you got to the side, he'll take that away. He's sending you left all day.

[Dan Patrick]

But I'm gonna take him down low.

[Jim Jackson]

So I mean I'm not the first time that Steve got post up Steve would be like help double.

[Dan Patrick]

We're talking to Jim Jackson Fox NBA college basketball analyst Can Wemby steal the mvp?

[Jim Jackson]

You know what, that's, that's a great question. Because of the position that they're in, right? I don't think he can this year. I don't think his, his numbers stack up to. Individually, okay. Individually to those of sga Jokic K. Cunningham. Now here's the difference too is that I know a lot of conversation has been about SGA and about mvp most valuable player. Okay. To their team numbers sometimes don't tell at all. Steve Nash when he won back to back Kobe's number on that numbers on the back end of that were better. But Steve's value to the team. But that's what it was based on Kobe's value to the team. SGA even though when he was absent OKC continued to win. It's a difference with Wemby when he's out of the lineup, that's how I think they start to determine mvp. But I really love Cade. What Cade is doing, I mean unbelievable job there in Detroit. Honestly, you know, I would love to see him be rewarded if they have the best record because his value to that team is multiplied a lot by what he does. Kind of like with Jokic at times, even though they went 10 and 6 when he was out, it's something about. But I think when he definitely is in the conversation, I don't think he'll. Even if they get end up being second second best record, I still don't think he'll get it this year.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know we have that 65 game threshold and if Joker misses one more game, he's out. If SGA misses a few more games, he's going to be out. Would you be okay by default that Cade Cunningham, because he played more than 65 games is the MVP? Of course.

[Jim Jackson]

And that's why you put it in. I think. You know, I want to ask you too, what do you think about the 65 game rule? Because here's my thought on this is that if you're going to put that rule in, you have to let this thing play out and have players understand that it is a consequence. Now sometimes it's not against it's not their fault that they get hurt. But this has to be. It has to be a pain point to a lot of players where they make it so that they are on the court. So you can't all of a sudden, after one or two years, just change it, because now it doesn't do anything. If the 65 game rule is going to be put into effect, and these are the number of games that you have to play in order to receive the awards at the end of the year, you got to make it stick. You got to make it a pain point for players that they understand there's a penalty. If I don't adhere or can't adhere to this, you can't just all of a sudden change.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, but in all transparency, I'm the one that brought it up to the commissioner that I thought that he needed to have a number. So you had guys who were going to play hard and if you're going to be eligible for postseason honors and that you played at least 65 games. So you did that.

[Jim Jackson]

Yeah, we appreciate it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Jim Jackson]

Now, keep in mind, the Players association, all of that, they have to agree to it, too. It's not something that Adam Silver can just lay down the law and say, okay, this is what we're going to do. So obviously, it was discussed and negotiated and agreed upon, and I think it needs to stay in place if that's what they're going to do to have players understand this is the threshold in which you must pass in order to receive awards at the end of the year. And it has to stick.

[Dan Patrick]

I know we're creeping up to March Madness here. You got Indiana and Ohio State on Saturday. What was worse, that you were in the Elite Eight and you lost in overtime or that you lost in overtime to Michigan?

[Jim Jackson]

It wasn't the fact that it was Michigan. Because you think about at the time, our rival was Indiana. It wasn't Miss. We beat Michigan twice that year. But it goes back to the 1989 Final Four. Well, yeah, Final Four, it was Illinois and Michigan. Illinois that year beat Michigan twice during the regular season. Michigan won that game and went to the national championship. Ended up winning. It just tells you how difficult it is to beat a team. Now, us being in the same region was kind of ironic, but when we watched that team play, there was a different team than what we played earlier in the year. From the first game to the second game to where they were at. They mature, they grew, they got more confident. And we had. The onus was on us because we were the number one seed to win. No pressure was on Michigan. So yes, it hurt. It hurt. And not just because it was Michigan. It's because we had a chance to go to a final four to accomplish something that a lot of teams don't get a chance to. That was more disappointing than actually who we lost to.

[Dan Patrick]

You ever bring this?

[Jim Jackson]

I still can't watch the game to the day because to this day, Dan, I'm hoping for a different outcome. And for some reason it just doesn't happen.

[Dan Patrick]

I think you run it back. Can you get everybody together and run it back?

[Jim Jackson]

That'll be an ugly game, brother. It'd be an ugly game.

[Dan Patrick]

But when you run into these Michigan guys, do they remind you?

[Jim Jackson]

No, because I played. There's some of my best, my best friends. I played with Juwan in Houston. I played with Chris in Sacramento. Jimmy King was a free agent. Came, came down to camp in Dallas. Ray Jackson and I are good friends. Jalen and I worked out in the summertime, did a lot of stuff. So actually when they went to the final four, what was that Trey Burch year2016. I mean seven. I forget when they lost to Louisville, you're in San Antonio. I was there. I was with the group. I was. You know, they're really close friends of mine. I respect each. Each one of them, man. I mean, each one of them really great guys may give the shirt off their back to you.

[Dan Patrick]

Great. Great to see you. Thanks again.

[Jim Jackson]

Always great to see you too, man. Work on that post up game.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm tell Steve I'm not afraid of Steve Nash. I'm not afraid.

[Jim Jackson]

I'm just saying shots, shots taken.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm just telling you I, I shoot better, deeper than he does.

[Jim Jackson]

Really?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Yes.

[Jim Jackson]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Jim Jackson]

We'll leave it right there. I'm taking that message to Steve.

[Dan Patrick]

If you don't give it, I will. I'm telling the country right now. You are Steve Nash, mid range jumper. Mid range jumper, Steve is what I called him. He not out there. I mean, great percentage from three point.

[Jim Jackson]

Right? Right.

[Dan Patrick]

Mid range jumper, Steve.

[Jim Jackson]

All right, Nick. He's a Nicky to death.

[Dan Patrick]

They called me Danny Deep. Danny deep. Thank you, Jim.

[Jim Jackson]

All right, man. Have a good one.

[Dan Patrick]

Jim Jackson, Fox NFL.

[Seaton]

All right, man.

[Jim Jackson]

He's not buying any of that.

[Dan Patrick]

He thinks I'm joking. I'm joking.

[Paulie]

He hopes you're joking.

[Jim Jackson]

I just love the.

[Marvin]

All right, man.

[Dan Patrick]

He thinks I should be joking

[Jim Jackson]

right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Texting Steve now. He'll be working Indiana at Ohio State on Saturday with Fox. Take a break. Back after this, Fox sports radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Jim Jackson's one of my favorite guests. It just is. It's just good radio. True green. Don't waste another weekend on your lawn care yourself. Partner with the official lawn care treatment provider, the PGA Tour. Get a golf course quality lawn the easy way. Sign [e-mail] then sit back and relax. Turzo in desmone. Hi, Turzo.

[Caller]

What up, dp? I didn't expect to call in today, but man, you guys are being soft. I expect this from Todd in his 11 year old palate, but not from the rest of you guys. Man, Indian food is fantastic. That, that butter chicken with some of the rice and the garlic naan. It's great. It's absolutely phenomenal.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, well, thank you, Terza. I'm trying it. I already had some of the chicken. I just say to the Dan eds just try it. Dylan worked really hard preparing for this and humor him. But I'm, I'm good. I'm ready. I'm gonna get a gold star. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, you're trying to curry favor with Dylan is what you do.

[Dan Patrick]

Casey in Denver. Hi, Casey.

[Caller]

Hey, Dan, how you doing?

[Dan Patrick]

Great.

[Caller]

Six one, two, 21st time, long time. I just want to kind of follow on what the last guy said there. You know this as one avid cook to another, I gotta give a shout out to my boy chef Dylan there. You guys kind of like a bunch of five year olds living under a rock, man. This is pretty mainstream food nowadays and really, really delicious. So give it a shot. Hopefully you guys like it. But one last thing, I want to give a quick shout out. Future Dayton grad. My son Boston is going to play baseball at Dayton in a couple of years.

[Dan Patrick]

Awesome. Congrats. We are ud. Yes. Seaton.

[Seaton]

Yeah, I don't know that anybody's complaining about the heat necessary. I mean, Todd is a little concerned given his gastric distress situation. But everybody else is pretty good with heat and things like that. We're pretty good with spices. I think it's different than that. I don't know why we're soft for not liking the taste of something.

[Dan Patrick]

It's a little too gravy. They're a little too sauce, they're, you know, a little too much. But that's all. The food tastes really good. It just feels like soupy.

[Seaton]

More texture for you then. Is that what you said.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe not as much. Sauce okay? Yeah. Feels like it's a little too much, but it. But it tastes great. I'm fine. I'm not complaining. I just realized that there was tension in the building in the most controversial Meat Friday that we've ever had in the decades of Meat Fridays. Numerous people here at the Man Cave, and there's only 12 of us, are tapping out Meat Friday. More for me. That's the way I look at it. All right. Growing up in my household, you either ate was in front of you or you had raisins in an apple. Go get a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I'm gonna eat. Todd, that's very brave of you.

[Todd]

I'm probably gonna watch me.

[Dan Patrick]

It's not. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

But you don't have to do that anymore. You're not poor. Poor child.

[Dan Patrick]

No, but I still eat right at 6 o' clock every day just like I did when I was growing up. Do you? Yes. Six o'. Clock. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, you also have a much shorter commute. If it doesn't agree with you, you're gonna be a lot safer than me.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. We're gonna play the Aaron Rodgers game coming up.

[Narrator/Announcer]

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