Hour 2 – Curt Cignetti Back-to-Back Coach of the Year, Robert Griffin III

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 2

Episode Title: Curt Cignetti Back-to-Back Coach of the Year, Robert Griffin III
Air Date: December 17, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick
Guests: Robert Griffin III (RG3), Tony Gonzalez, Reggie Miller
Producer Team/Co-hosts: Fritzi, Seaton, Marv, Paulie

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Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show dives into major storylines around college football coaching accolades, debates about poll questions, NFL injuries, and includes an insightful interview with Robert Griffin III (RG3) on league safety and player health. Listener phone calls touch on sports traditions and the challenges of tournament parity. The show maintains its signature humor, insider perspective, and a relaxed, conversational tone amongst Dan and the team.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Show Banter & Poll Questions (03:14 – 10:52)

• The team jokes about Heartland Steak Co. meats and their holiday meal plans, setting a lively studio atmosphere.
• Discussion about potential NBA expansion cities: Seattle and Las Vegas are front-runners, with nostalgia for the Seattle SuperSonics.
• The value and legitimacy of the Knicks' recent in-season cup championship is questioned, sparking a conversation about what banners teams should celebrate.
  • Dan Patrick: "They got Atlantic Division banners up at the Garden. They act like they're the Celtics." (06:41)
  • Marvin: "The Knicks should take any championship they can get." (06:38)
• Snarky morning poll: "How long should a contrived tournament championship be celebrated?" (day, week, month, eternity).

2. NBA Expansion Possibilities (07:04 – 10:52)

• Potential cities for a new NBA team are discussed, with Dan favoring Seattle and Vegas for expansion.
• Reflection on Seattle's heartbreak losing the SuperSonics, who became the Oklahoma City Thunder, and the quick rise with draft picks like Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

3. Star Athletes and Franchise Ownership (08:33 – 09:40)

• Dan speculates how the NBA might involve LeBron James or Steph Curry in future franchise ownership—possibly in Vegas.

  • Dan Patrick: "If I'm the commissioner, how do I get LeBron into ownership and–or Steph Curry into ownership?"

• Lessons from Michael Jordan’s ownership struggles with the Charlotte Hornets highlight that great players aren't always great executives.

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4. NFL Hot Topics and Coaching Accolades (10:52 – 13:20)

• Curt Cignetti’s unprecedented back-to-back College Football Coach of the Year award and the rarity of such feats across sports.

  • Dan Patrick: "It's hard to be back-to-back Coach of the Year...but this is what happens. They were a great story last year...now this year, greater story. Number one, team Heisman Trophy winner..."

• Brief overview of previous coaches with multiple Coach of the Year awards but never consecutively.

5. Listener Phone Calls – Inspirational and Heartfelt Moments (13:20 – 16:33)

• June from Virginia Beach calls annually to celebrate her son Marty's ongoing battle with ALS and his James Madison fandom, highlighting the human connection in sports and the community built by the show.
  • June: "He’s celebrating eight years of fighting...in our family, we believe in miracles."
• Brenda from Los Angeles shares how the show has been important to her family, especially her husband, Jeremy, for 17 years.
  • Brenda: "...No matter how rough of a time we might be going through, you guys allow us the ability to disconnect from the world for a few hours and just listen and laugh…"

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6. NFL Draft & Running Backs (16:33 – 18:54)

• Dan breaks down the draft stock of Jeremiah Love, projected as a top-15 pick running back (current o/u at 11.5), analyzing trends for running backs drafted high in recent years.
  • Notable recent picks discussed: Bijan Robinson (8th overall), Saquon Barkley (2nd), Zeke Elliott (4th), and others.

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7. In-Depth Interview: Robert Griffin III (RG3) [24:53 – 39:43]

a. NFL Playing Surfaces & Injury Epidemic (24:53 – 27:30)

• RG3 explains why players want all teams to switch to grass to limit injuries, noting older players especially dislike turf.
  • RG3: "When you’re 28, 29, you’re like, 'Oh, my knees, my ankles.' Then you want to get away from that turf."
• He suggests shoe technology and the increased size/strength/speed of modern players, combined with high-traction shoes and fields, are major contributors to serious injuries.
• Dan Patrick: "Sometimes, guys who are great athletes...may not be that good at assessing others who are trying to be great." (09:40)

b. Personal Experience with Injuries & League Accountability (27:30 – 28:59)

• RG3 reflects on his 2013 playoff injury, jokes about suing over the dangerous field, and says it's hard for a player to sue a team/league and remain in the NFL.

c. Advice to Mahomes, Parsons, and Players on Recovery (29:14 – 31:17)

• RG3 bluntly advises that Micah Parsons and Patrick Mahomes (both with serious knee injuries) should not play next season due to timing of their injuries, citing his own failed example of returning too quickly.
  • RG3: "You don’t really feel like yourself until about 15 months after the injury. And some guys will even tell you, hey, it took me 24 months…"
  • RG3: "80% of Micah Parsons is better than...most pass rushers...but I would advise them to not play next year..."

d. Knee Specifics for Mahomes (31:17 – 32:03)

• RG3 notes Mahomes’ injury to his left knee ("plant" leg) is less catastrophic for QBs than a "push-off" (right) knee, but wearing a brace and risk remains high.

e. AFC Playoff Picture & Pressure on Josh Allen (32:03 – 34:31)

• With Mahomes and Burrow out, the window for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills appears wide open, but Dan and RG3 both point out Matt Stafford as a playoff-tested wild card.
  • RG3 names Broncos, Seahawks, and Patriots as teams "people don't want to believe in" due to quarterbacks' lack of playoff reputation.

f. Joe Burrow’s Future & Mental Health (34:31 – 37:18)

• RG3 and Dan discuss concern over Joe Burrow's mental state, comparing his burnout to Andrew Luck, rather than Carson Palmer, in terms of injuries sapping career longevity.
  • Dan Patrick: "The psychological damage is... hard to rehab...those scars stay a lot longer."

g. Miami Dolphins Quarterback Controversy (37:18 – 39:43)

• The Dolphins shock benching of Tua Tagovailoa for Quinn Ewers is analyzed. RG3 wonders if Coach Mike McDaniel is risking his job on an unproven QB.
  • RG3: "When you bench a guy who's healthy and a big contract...are the Dolphins moving on from Tua by making this decision?"
  • Warns the move is high-risk and could force a coaching change.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan Patrick (on expansion banners): "They got Atlantic Division banners up at the Garden. They act like they're the Celtics." (06:41)
• RG3 (on NFL artificial turf): "When you’re like 28, 29, you’re like, 'Oh, my knees, my ankles.' Then you want to get away from that turf." (24:53)
• RG3 (on recovering from torn ACL): "You don’t really feel like yourself until about 15 months after the injury." (29:14)
• Brenda (caller): "No matter how rough of a time we might be going through, you guys allow us the ability to disconnect from the world for a few hours and just listen and laugh..." (15:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | Details/Topic | |-------------|----------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:14 | Show opens, poll questions, NBA expansion | Seattle/Vegas, Knicks' legitimacy | | 08:33 | Star players as owners | LeBron/Steph, Michael Jordan's shortcomings | | 10:52 | Curt Cignetti back-to-back awards | Coach of the Year history and context | | 13:20 | Heartwarming caller: June in Virginia Beach | ALS story, JMU support | | 16:33 | NFL Draft trends | Running backs draft position, Jeremiah Love | | 24:53 | Interview: RG3 | Playing surfaces, injuries, recovery and career advice | | 29:14 | RG3 on torn ACL recovery | Why Mahomes/Parsons shouldn't rush back | | 32:03 | NFL Playoff landscape | Josh Allen, Bills, Stafford, Broncos as contenders | | 34:31 | Joe Burrow and psychological toll | Comparisons to Andrew Luck's retirement | | 37:18 | Dolphins' QB switch: Tua benched for Ewers | High-risk move, McDaniel coaching future |

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Listener Engagement & Fun

• Ongoing jokes about food (Heartland Steak Co.), in-studio antics, and the recurring "pie to the face" segment keep the mood light.
• Multiple birthdays celebrated via live calls, fostering community among listeners.
• Playful “Travis Kelce next year” poll game and team banter on future scenarios for star players.

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Overall Tone

The episode carries Dan Patrick's trademark mix of knowledgeable sports insight, irreverent wit, and warmth for sports fandom. The interview with RG3 stands out for its candor and practical advice, while the show’s segments balance hot takes with affectionate, often humorous commentary from Dan and the crew.

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Summary prepared for those who haven’t listened: You’ll get the latest on NFL injuries, what really matters in NBA expansion debates, and true stories about perseverance from fans, all in the signature Dan Patrick Show spirit—equal parts sports expertise, laughter, and community.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour two on this Wednesday. Come on in, stay a while. We'll talk to RG3, Tony Gonzalez and also Reggie Miller stopping by over the final two hours. The gang's all here. Fritzi, Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly, the BRGs. And it's a meet Wednesday courtesy of Heartland Steak co. Go to heartlandstakeco.com and you can get all of your inspiration. If you want to send out a great gift for the holidays. We have bacon wrapped filet mignon, ribeye steak paninis, pork chop milanese, creamed corn. Who has it better than we do? Nobody. Nobody. I completely forgot about Seaton with the poll question in the first hour of the program. Well, the to Double D has got a couple of super snarky poll questions. He woke up in a mood today. Okay, we could maybe get into a couple of those if you want. Did you say steak panini? I did, yeah. I don't think I've ever had a rib eye steak panini. I don't know that I ever have. They wouldn't be ready in the second hour of the show today. Okay, I can see. I could put in a request, rip a sampler like you have one of them ready, we cut it into a couple of pieces and then, well, Dylan is out there cooking. I know Paul's generally against cutting one thing into things and sharing it, but maybe this time he would make it.

[Marvin]

I can wink at it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. So Dylan is out there and my cameraman Weeks is out there. So I have. I got two. I got a chef and a sous chef. This is where we need the rapid radios. You got to get one of them with a radio and be like, hey, dude, can we get one of these pretty quickly or what? Although I can go to the eyes and ears of the program, Mario, who's the director, if I say to Mario, there's Mario and that's Anthony and they're all excited. Anthony's a Knicks fan. Yeah, they're. I got a couple of Knicks fans in here. Yeah, we got the cup. Rob is in there, too. Rob's not going to give you much on camera. Rob is. Rob is camera shy. This is excited you'll ever see him. That's him. He's beside himself. That is him celebrating the win. Yeah. Go New York. Go, New York, go. But Mario could be in contact with Dylan, I believe, to see if we could whip up some paninis in the second hour of the program. Yes, Tom, what was that bacon wrapped item? That sounds like something sooner than later.

[Marvin]

We'd like to.

[Dan Patrick]

Bacon wrapped filet mignon. Yeah, that one. No, we're only going with the paninis. That's it. Okay. Is that a bacon wrapped panini? No, no. Got it. The bacon is for the filet mignon. Yeah. So we'll see if we can pull that up. All right, snarky poll questions. What do we have here? How long should a contrived tournament championship be celebrated? A day, a week, a month, for eternity, with a banner up top. So what you're saying is you're not all in on the Knicks winning this cup? No, I'd like them to win the actual NBA title. And this is just kind of. I don't know, it's contrived, just like the question says. A contrived tournament championship? Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

The Knicks should take any championship they can get.

[Dan Patrick]

They got Atlantic Division banners up at the Garden. They act like they're the Celtics.

[Marvin]

Just be happy, be grateful. First championship since 1973.

[Dan Patrick]

What else do you have, Todd? The other one was, which city would.

[Marvin]

You most like to see get an NBA team?

[Dan Patrick]

And I don't know if we could.

[Marvin]

Fit them all, but based on just.

[Dan Patrick]

Some of the research I did in.

[Marvin]

Some articles, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Louisville.

[Dan Patrick]

Mexico City, Montreal, Nashville, San Diego, Seattle, St. Louis, Vancouver. Those are among those that have at least are on the blip or on the screen. Yeah, but some of those cities have had a team before at the San Diego Clippers and the Seattle, Vancouver. It's inevitable. It's going to Vegas. And I would hope Seattle gets a team because they. They supported that team. They thought that their team was staying and then ended up in Oklahoma City.

[Marvin]

Yes, Marv, the Sonic should be 24 and 2 right now.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. And yeah, the Oklahoma City Sonics. And that was a great environment. It really. First of all, Seattle in June was beautiful. And that team going against the Bulls, the atmosphere was wonderful there. I still have a Seattle supersonics warm up that was given to me. And I have a Seattle SuperSonics basketball where it's got SuperSonics on the basketball, like branded into it that one of their equipment guys gave it to me. Yes. Yeah. There are some cities where the citizens love the team, but maybe the local government doesn't love teams. I get the sense that Seattle is a place that's like. I don't even know. I don't know if we need to be in this sports team's business. I know they've got a few.

[Marvin]

I get that.

[Dan Patrick]

I hope they get, you know, an expansion franchise there, and Vegas is going to happen. It just. It's inevitable. And then I wonder, like, the time frame for this, and I don't have any inside knowledge on this, but if I'm the commissioner, how do I get LeBron into ownership and. Or Steph Curry into ownership? That you keep those big names around the game and feels like LeBron is trending towards being an owner? I don't know about Steph Curry, but, you know, Vegas seems like, no, that might be LeBron's. Yes, Marv.

[Marvin]

But they still have to put out a really strong product because Michael Jordan was an owner for a decade, and it was horrible.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but he wasn't good as, you know, picking talent. I mean, he had some of the biggest busts in NBA history. Adam Morrison, see the second pick overall that Mike took him and Kwame Brown, was he the number one overall pick?

[Marvin]

Correct.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I mean, that's part of the reason why Mike didn't do well, because, you know, here's the thing. Sometimes guys who are great athletes, great talents, may not be that good at assessing others who are trying to be great. You see this sometimes where they know how to do it. They don't understand how you don't know how to do it. I'm sure Mike's like, you know, to Kwame Brown, why aren't you a killer out there? Why aren't you Kareem or Adam Morrison? Why aren't you Larry Bird or even Keith Van Horn? Nice. Okay. Had to go with the white guy, obviously. Yeah. Yeah.

[Marvin]

Googly Ada.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, googs. Tom Gugliana. Yeah, Paul.

[Marvin]

So the Seattle SuperSonics left after the 0708 season. That year they were 20 and 62, but Kevin Durant was a rookie. The next year, they go to Oklahoma.

[Dan Patrick]

City, they draft Russell Westbrook.

[Marvin]

The year after that, they add James Harden. The year after that, they're in the Western Conference finals. The year after that, they're in the finals. That's what's even more painful.

[Dan Patrick]

Any other poll questions there, Todd?

[Marvin]

Those are the two.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right. Yes. Seaton. I think we're gonna. We might as well run one. If you're Travis Kelsey, you run it back or retire. Okay. I like that. I mean, might as well. Let's get into it. Let's do the Travis Kelce game. You want to do that? Are we going to do it right now? Right now? I can't. I'm going to do the Travis Kelsey game. All Right next September, Travis Kelce is dot dot DOD Todd. Married and no longer playing football. Seaton in the media in some way, but not playing football.

[Marvin]

Marvin, he's an analyst with his brother. He's still with the Chiefs. He's an unrestricted free agent. He can give them a really light deal and help the team out. One more run.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm gonna say married with children. No, just married. Married and not playing. Married, not playing like most people who are married. Yeah, most people. Okay. Blue middle aged human. I'm going to get that. Yeah. Yeah. Philip Rivers would have laughed at that. But he's playing. Yeah, he is playing. And he's got 10 kids. All right. Eight, seven, seven, three. DP show email address [e-mail] Twitter handle @DP Show. Kurt Signetti has won coach of the year again, back to back. It's hard to be back to back Coach of the year, I would think, in any sport. But this is what happens. They were a great story last year, bringing Indiana into some kind of relevance. They played meaningful games and he was a great story. Coach of the year. Now this year, greater story. Number one, team Heisman Trophy winner. Like, he topped last year's script. Because I remember Marvin saying, who's going to be this year's Indiana or last year's Indiana team this year? And it turned out it was Indiana. How many do you have? The list of back to back coaches of the Year in all sports, we're.

[Marvin]

Looking for it, but in college football, it's never happened. Signetti's got two. Like you said, back to back. Brian Kelly has two. They were separated by seven years. Gary Patterson of TCU has two. Nick Saban has two. No back to backs. We're looking at other sports.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. All right, we'll get phone calls coming up. June in Virginia Beach. June, good morning. I call every year at this time because it's my son's birthday and he has als. And this year he is celebrating his eighth year. Are you there? Yes, I am. June. Okay. He's celebrating eight years of fighting. And it just so happens that Marty graduated from James Madison in 2004, so he's very excited about them making the playoffs. I know that everybody is writing JMU off, but in our family, we believe in miracles, so we never know. But I want to give a shout out to coach Bob Chesney. JMU seems to be a great training ground for college football coaches. And he has been a friend to Marty since he came to jmu. He's a great coach. But I can assure you, he's an even better man. And he has great integrity, and he teaches far more than football. Well, I think we need to give Marty the yearly shout out for his birthday.

[Marvin]

Happy birthday.

[Dan Patrick]

Happy birthday, James Madison. Thank you, June, for calling in. We look forward to hearing from you next year. And I look forward to calling you. Alrighty. That's June in Virginia Beach, Brenda in Los Angeles. Good morning, Brenda. Hey, Dan. First time, very long time. 59150. So today is actually my husband's birthday as well. I always try to come up with something fun and original to give him on his birthday. And I figured, what better birthday present than you guys wishing him a happy birthday?

[Marvin]

I can think of a few.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm sure he can think of a few. So, just one more thing. We've been together 17 years, married 13 of those, and about a week into us dating, is when he had me with you guys for the first time, and I was instantly hooked. You all have been a big part of our daily routine for 17 years. And no matter how rough of a time we might be going through, you guys allow us the ability to disconnect from the world for a few hours and just listen and laugh. And, Dan, there's honestly no one like you. You mean so much to so many, and honestly, you're the best to do it. So thank you guys all so much. And if I can quickly just pass the phone over to my husband so you guys can wish him a happy birthday. Oh, boy. You don't have to do that. Gentlemen, we appreciate you so much. Dan, we're already dreading the day from the day you announced that retirement. So we're going to just try to cherish it as much as we can. But happy holidays to all, and, yeah, we love you guys. Take care. And. And your name is? I'm Jeremy. Jeremy.

[Marvin]

One more thing.

[Dan Patrick]

I. I'm a B or a D list actor. I got to work with Will Ferrell once. And the one thing I fanboy tomorrow was the day he came in as Ron burgundy with the 40 ounce outside. And. Yeah, how about a happy birthday, Jeremy. Jeremy, happy birthday. Other things that Brenda could give you. Happy birthday. All right, so we'll talk to our G3. He'll join us coming up in a little bit. And Tony Gonzalez and Reggie Miller will stop by. More phone calls coming up. Jeremiah Love is going pro, and it feels like he's going to be a top 15 pick, at least right now. Now, once you know that, this is where people are projecting, but you got to get people who actually are scouts that get put their hands on him. Where you can go, okay, is what are his measurables? You know, what's his 40? Strength wise, is he, you know, the height that he says he, you know, all of these different things that you factor in if you're going to take somebody. Certainly a running back in the top 15. BET Online has a draft position for Jeremiah Love. Right now, the over under is 11 and a half. So the 11th pick. Now the average top spot for a running back over the last 10 years, 18.6. The average top spot for a running back over the last five years is 24. I can look back, you know, well, Ashton Genti was sixth. Jonathan Brooks was 46 in 2024. Bijan was eighth. Breece hall in 2022 was 36. Naji Harris was 24. Clyde Edwards Hilaire was 32nd. Josh Jacobs in 2019 was 24th. Saquon was second. Leonard Fournette fourth. And then in 2016, Zeke Elliott was fourth overall. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. Of the day. Stat of the day. Here comes that. What?

[Marvin]

Stat of the day.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

Man.

[Dan Patrick]

I got a future. I do after this future. And I've got a future. Just gonna be the peacock voiceover guy and everything's gonna sound the same. And you should talk like that 24. 7. Oh, I do. When I'm at home with my wife. Good evening, honey. How are you? What's for dinner? I love you. Brought you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. Yes. Some people pointing out that on the poll question right now, if you're Travis Kelsey, do you run it back or retire? 87% say retire. Oh, he's number seven. Hello. Yeah. But he might want to 86 this poll question. Yes, Todd. All right, you're gonna have to bloop that one. You're working on your Christmas names, of course. Okay. I just want make sure we don't miss out on that. Okay. And I got to get a pie to the face on Friday. You do? Yeah, I do. So I'll take the pie to the face for my. My great Raiders Broncos bet. Man, was that close. A little bit close in the standings. Yeah, I know. If you flip the standings upside down.

[Marvin]

Exact same records.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. RG3 is going to join us coming up next. More of your phone calls as well. Back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Covino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino and rich live on YouTube every day. All you got to do Search COVINO and RICH FSR on YouTube again. Go to YouTube. Search COVINO and RICH FSR. Check us out on YouTube. Subscribe Hit that thumbs up icon and comment away. Thursday Night Football is on and it's only on Prime Video. This week the NFC west grabs a spotlight as the Rams visit the Seahawks. Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern with TNF.

[Marvin]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

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[Marvin]

Hey, ref, why don't you customize your car insurance with Liberty Mutual and save money?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't think you get what we're doing. Sure I do.

[Marvin]

We're all just giving him advice. You guys on sports, me on saving money. Nope, that's not it. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty.

[Dan Patrick]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. More phone calls coming up. I did check with our resident chef, Dylan. He is. It's a meat Wednesday, by the way. And all of a sudden, the Dan Ents realized that on the menu was ribeye steak paninis. And then we wanted to know if we can move up the time frame for having said meal. And I talked to Dylan. He said that he should be at the top of the hour, be able to whip up some of these bacon wrap. No, he's not going to do the filet mignon. The bacon wrap, filet mignon. It's going to be ribeye steak paninis. That's it. And you got to wait till the end of the show to have the rest of the menu, all of the meat, courtesy of Heartland Steak Company. RG3 Robert Griffin Jr III, Fox analyst, and his podcast out of Pocket with RG3. Good to have you back. What took the NFL so long to push forward and having stricter standards for playing surfaces?

[Marvin]

Oh, yeah, that is a, a great question. I saw, I think I saw a graphic the other day of all the guys that have torn ACLs or, or torn their Achilles this year. Very, very alarming. And, you know, I think the players want all grass. You know, they want to move away from the turf, especially as they get older. I feel like when you're like 15, 16, 17 years old, there's like this, this want to play on turf, and you got the turf tape on your arms, and it looks cool. And then when you're like 28, 29, you're like, oh, my knees, my ankles. Then you want to get away from that turf. So I think the NFL should, if they want to prolong the careers of some of their older players, because now 27, 28 is, is kind of getting older in the NFL at other positions. I mean, not quarterback. They, they should make a mandate to have all teams play on grass.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know, I don't know. You know, Mahomes, I could see the injury happening and I could understand that. But Micah Parsons, non contact, like those are the ones that kind of baffle me. It is that the surface. Is it shoes is. I mean, is there something we're not factoring in with this, Dan?

[Marvin]

I think it's multiple things, and I'm glad you, you want to have this conversation because, you know, when you're an athlete and you're in the weight room or you're in a developmental program, the thing that was always said when I was growing up was bigger, faster, stronger, right? Well, the bigger and the faster and the stronger you become, the more force you're putting into the ground. So if your shoes, which the shoe companies have gone to, kind of gone towards this boost technology, Right. And it almost feels like you're wobbling sometimes when you walk in those shoes and they're terrible to cut in. Well, that's also. That technology has also bled into the, the cleats. So I don't know if the shoes are as good as they were, but they'll tell you that they have more traction, you know. So now if you have a bigger, faster, stronger athlete, like a Micah Parsons, who runs a 4 4, probably a 4 3, and he's every bit at £250, and his shoes have more traction on a surface that is built for traction, you're going to see more torn ACLs and more torn Achilles. And we're seeing that across all sports, not just football. Also in basketball, some of the biggest stars are having injuries that we didn't necessarily see from the Michael Jordans and the Magic Johnson's back in the day. So I think it's a combination of the surface as well as the athletes getting bigger, faster and stronger, and it's kind of working against each other.

[Dan Patrick]

But when you go back to that January 2013 playoff game against Seattle and you got injured on that surface, did you sue the, the Washington? Did you, did you sue your, your owner at the time?

[Marvin]

I. I did not. Dan, do you have any, do you have any lawyers? That.

[Dan Patrick]

Is the statute of limitations up? Because, I mean, I think it is. I mean, that's malpractice, isn't it? With a field as bad as that? I mean, that was embarrassing, that field. Yeah.

[Marvin]

And there's so many guys that have been hurt on that field. And that was, that was actually grass or sand, whatever you. You want to call it. You could, you could see the dust flying up Everybody, every time people were running fast on that field. So I didn't, you know, at that time, I think a large part of it was it's really hard to sue the owner or sue the league and still play in the league. But if there's maybe there's a lawyer out there who can, you know, claw back that statue of limitations and I probably wouldn't be the only guy that, that would want to, you know, be interested in that because there's a difference between just having grass or turf and really terrible grass and really bad turf. So I think the league is going to continue to see this happening when from an injury standpoint and if they don't mandate what the teams actually have to use and you know what company they need to use to have the right type of grass, that's going to be the best possible for the players. You're going to continue to see top level players go down. And I know the league doesn't want that.

[Dan Patrick]

RG3 fox football analyst out of pocket with RG3 his podcast what advice would you give Micah Parsons and anybody else who's had a torn, you know, acl?

[Marvin]

Yeah, I mean the, the number one advice I would give to, to Micah Parsons and Patrick Mahomes right now is to not play next year. And it's because of when they got hurt. They both got hurt in December. You know, you look at these injuries and you, we've seen guys come back in six months, you know, eight months, nine months. And it would be nine months for both of them if they were ready to go week one. But you don't really feel like yourself until about 15 months after the injury. And some guys will even tell you, hey, it took me 24 months to truly feel like myself again. And don't get me wrong, 80% of Micah Parsons is better than dang near almost every pass rusher in the NFL. 80% of Patrick Mahomes is better than almost every quarterback in the NFL. But I look at it from a standpoint because of my own experience and these guys aren't me. But I told my ACL and my LCL the same injury that Patrick Mahomes had has right now. And I wouldn't have played in 2013 if I, if, if hindsight, which it is 2020, I wouldn't have played the following year because I wasn't back to myself yet. And Mahomes is a guy that, that runs around, is very creative and is a great second reaction quarterback and he can play from the pocket. But I would advise them to not play next year so that when they come back in 27, they can truly and fully be themselves and it won't knock off years from their career. Now, I say that knowing very well, Dan. You know, I've got, you know, sources pretty close to the situation there that, that Mahomes is all in for week one and, and we've seen Micah say that he's all in for week one as well. And it's because as players, we are wired to have this gladiator mindset that we can overcome anything. And we're not normal and we're not normal, but at the same time, I would advise them to, to sit out the following season because of when they got hurt. And, and then you can play for another 10, 15 years once you're fully back to health. Do I think that's what's going to happen? No, I think they're going to come back and they're going to play week one because that's how we're wired. And the only people that can really protect them is the teams.

[Dan Patrick]

Does it matter that it's the left knee for Mahomes?

[Marvin]

Yeah. So mine was the right, you know, which is the, you know, the hip through knee, as they would say it, the, the left knee. It becomes concerning because now most guys will wear a brace on that knee. A lot of times we get hit. Offensive lineman, that's the leg that is straight for the most part. Sometimes when you're, when you're throwing the football though, it shouldn't be, you know, from a full technique standpoint, but I think if it was the back knee and him pushing off, it would be more concerning. So I think the left knee makes it a little bit better, but it also raises the risk for re injury because of the style of play in the NFL and those big guys falling.

[Dan Patrick]

Into you feels like Josh Allen. It, you know, the window is wide open now because you don't have Mahomes, you don't have the Chiefs, you don't have your kryptonite. Lamar is probably not in burrow, not going to be in as well. Is it fair to look at Josh Allen and say, hey man. Because I don't think their team is anywhere near what it's been before. And now we feel like, well, these quarterbacks aren't in there. Now is your chance to go to the Super Bowl.

[Marvin]

I think that Josh Allen and, you know, Matt Stafford might be the two guys that most people in the media or most fans feel the most comfortable with right now. It's a Topsy turvy league. If you asked most people, the average fan, hey, who has the best record in the NFL? Don't look at your phone, don't go to the standings. Who is it? I promise you, they wouldn't say. It's the Denver Broncos. They wouldn't. And that, to me, makes it to where if there was ever a year for Josh Allen, the Buffalo Bills, to win the super bowl, it would be this season. All the top guys, for the most part, that you would expect to be there are not there.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but if Buffalo played Denver, in Denver.

[Marvin]

Yeah. Who?

[Dan Patrick]

You take it.

[Marvin]

I'm taking Denver. Okay, so here. And. And this is a great point, Dan. You know, you're great at this. And people are. They're hoarding their decision about the Denver Broncos because they don't want to be wrong about Bonix. And to me, that's. That's not how you do the job. Like, I was a big Bo. Knicks guy. I thought that him and Sean Payton would be fabulous together. And they're 12, two right now in year two and absolutely balling out with a great defense and an offense that's good enough to win games. So people have to stop being afraid of that and just acknowledge what you see in front of you. The Denver Broncos are the best team in the NFL. In the NFL. The Seattle Seahawks are one of the best teams in the NFL. The New England Patriots are one of the best teams in NFL. And it's not just because of their records. They're just holding it against their quarterbacks because they don't know if they believe in Sam Donald in the playoffs. They don't know if Drake May is real or not because they haven't seen him do it in the playoffs. They don't know if Bo Nix is real or not because they haven't seen him do it in the playoffs. But this season is shaping up to be one where we could have one of those three guys hoisting Lombardi at the end of the season. And I think that's great for the NFL. And I think some of the pundits.

[Dan Patrick]

Need to catch up, convince Bengal fans that they shouldn't be worried about Joe Burrow.

[Marvin]

Oh, no, they should be. I can't. You can't. Anytime a guy that's that competitive, the one who was smoking cigars and changed his last name on the back of his jersey at LSU to Burrow. You know, the way that Louisianans spell it, that when that guy comes out and says, man, I don't know if I love this Anymore. Like I gotta find the joy. That's a problem. And it's also weird because I've heard some people compared to the Carson Palmer situation, whereas Carson, I believe it was. We had to. And Ocho and he was just like, yeah, it's kind of tough to deal with these guys and, and what's going on and building around me. Joe's got his guys.

[Dan Patrick]

I think this is more Andrew Luck.

[Marvin]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Patrick]

I could see that getting banged up. Luck was 29 when he walked away. Yep. You know that the psychological, there's the physical damage. The psychological damage is. It's hard to rehab the psychological damage of all the injuries. We can do the physical part, but the psychological, you know, those scars stay a lot longer.

[Marvin]

And the psychological part that you're opening up there, Dan, is, is because Joe played so well last year. You know, sometimes as a quarterback, like when team, when your team doesn't play well and you don't play well, it can kind of motivate you to be like, all right, let's, let's go back to the drawing board, let's figure it out. No, I didn't do this great. And boom, boom, boom. But when you go out there and you throw for a gazillion touchdowns and, and 7,000 yards and you still lose and it's like not close. Like you're not close to making the playoffs and you're doing that year after year after year and then you're getting hurt year after year after year. That's where I think Joe Burrow is kind of burning himself out in a way of like, he's made enough money. Which I understood why Andrew made the decision that he made. If Andrew Luck was a, was a fourth round quarterback and didn't get paid a bunch of money, he probably would have still been playing. But he was a first round pick that had signed a hundred million dollar contract and just was banged up and he's like, you know what? I've taken care of my family. I've enjoyed this game for a long time. I'm good. And I could understand why Gerber would be in that position, but I think if you're any of those guys on that team, not, not, don't even worry about the owners, ownership and the GM and the head coach, just the players. Do you want Joe Burrow to be your quarterback? Because if you do, I'm taking them to 17 steak dinners over the next 17 days. And I'm trying to convince him like, hey man, I know this is tough, but we need you and I think that's the only thing that'll get Joe Burrow back into it, is the guys in that locker room, you know, really putting their arms around him and say, we got your back, man.

[Dan Patrick]

This just came in. The Dolphins are going to bench Tua and they're going to start Quinn Ewers. Wow. What kind of statement is this now? I know. All right, we can see what Quinn yours can do. Why not let him see what. But when you bench a guy who's healthy and a big contract, you got him for another year. Are the Dolphins moving on from Tua by making this decision?

[Marvin]

I think I love coin yours. Don't get me wrong. I believe that Mike McDaniels put himself in a situation that if Quinn Ewers doesn't go out and absolutely ball out, that they will move on from him. And it's because of the contract. You've got two at UNOA who's got what, $200 million contract.

[Dan Patrick]

I think they're on the hook for, you know, whatever, 50 million next year.

[Marvin]

Correct. So you're as a head coach now saying, I don't want this guy, you know, and that to me puts you in a very precarious situation as a head coach. When you make those types of decisions, you have to be right. And the question you have to ask if you're a fan of the Miami Dolphins is, is Quinn Ewers the guy to make that decision for? I thought he handled himself well at Texas. You know, I've had him on our show out of pocket with RG3. He is a God fearing, great young man who probably shouldn't have fell in the draft as far as he did. But are you that confident as the coach that Quinn Ewers is the guy that I'm gonna move forward with because I'm benching to a tongue of Iloa or are you saying we're gonna go draft another quarterback next year and we're gonna pay Tua to get out of here in the same way that the Broncos did to Russell Wilson?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But I don't know if Mike McDaniel is going to be back next year. So if you have a better chance of ensuring that if you play Tua 100% right, it feels like I. Well, I. That's.

[Marvin]

He's put. Then he's putting himself on the plank and saying, quinn, yours is going to save my job. That's what he. That's what he's saying. And, and, and I think that's a bad. I think tuatanga violoa should still be the starting quarterback and I think that Mike McDaniels just putting himself in the wall against the wall in the corner and if coin yours doesn't go out there and win the rest of these games, he's going to be gone.

[Dan Patrick]

Great to talk to you. Great stuff today. Happy holidays.

[Marvin]

Appreciate you guys. Merry Christmas.

[Dan Patrick]

God bless. Robert Griffin Jr. III is McLovin no Griffith. McLovin called him Robert Griffith Jr. III out of pocket with RG3 that podcast. That was some great stuff from him today. We'll take a break. More phone calls coming up. Busy final hour. Tony Gonzalez will stop by and Reggie Miller. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Thursday Night Football is on and it's only on Prime Video. This week, the NFC west grabs a spotlight as the Rams visit the Seahawks. Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern with TNF tonight presented by Verizon. It's Rams Seahawks Thursday at 7pm Eastern. And don't miss Broncos Chiefs on Christmas night. Only on Prime Video. Not a Prime member. Simply sign up for a 30 day free trial.

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[Marvin]

Boy, I always dreamed that there would be a magic walkie talkie that you could press. And then the other end, a man would bring you plates full of hot meat to Eat.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, that's. That's my rabbit. Rapid radios. Rapid radios. All right, Couple of phone calls in here. How about Austin in Louisiana? Hi, Austin. What's on your mind today? Hey, what up, dp? Hey, man, thanks for calling me back. Yeah, you know, I got a little stay in your lane for Joel Clyde today. You know, he. He says the most unfair tournament is the March Madness tournament. And he's probably right, Dan, because obviously the most fair way to pick tournament participants would be to put 1260 year olds in a Ramada Inn meeting room, serve them some buffet food, have them watch monitors and come up with a poll. Right. I mean, that's obviously the correct way. You know, I really don't get these guys who claim they love college football and they don't care about half the.

[Marvin]

Teams that play the sport.

[Dan Patrick]

It doesn't, you know, it doesn't really make sense to me. And the last thing I'll ask you, Dan, is when was the last time an eight seed won the March Madness tournament? Let's see, Villanova, was they an eight seed when they beat Georgetown, North Carolina State? Jim Valvano. Yeah, Paulie, I. Yeah, I see what.

[Marvin]

The caller's saying, but Joe Klatt's saying, in basketball, there's a difference in physicality. Like a team could have a hot shooting night, UMBC, and take down a 1 seed in Virginia. That. I don't know if that can happen with like a 16 seed in college football taking down Georgia.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, okay, everybody points to the Boise State, Oklahoma bowl game, the Fiesta Bowl. Keep this in mind, having been there at the game. Boise State had everything to play for. Oklahoma had nothing to play for. I don't think Oakland. There's certain bowl games that I watch of this, the older days where one team was thrilled to be there, another team couldn't care less. You know, guys didn't sit out of bowl games, but they kind of went through the motions in bowl games, and I always felt that way. I bring up Wyoming played UCLA in a bowl game, and when I tuned in and watched that, I said in the first quarter, almost the first five minutes, I said, wyoming, this is the most important thing to Wyoming. And UCLA couldn't care less. And I think Wyoming ended up winning that, that bowl game there. It, it. It's difficult to have this and say James Madison is better than Notre Dame, which they're not, or Tulane is better than Notre Dame, which they're not. I understand that. Maybe when we get to 16, then we're going to get, you know, 12 or 13 of the best football teams in America. And Paulie's right that there are times when somebody just plays lights out. You know, Villanova played the perfect game to beat Georgetown. They. They had a perfect shooting night. Harold Jensen, wasn't that the guy that lightened him up? But in football, it's kind of hard to go. Like in hockey, you can have a goalie who plays unbelievable, and you can pull off an upset like the Miracle on Ice. But, you know, with college football, it'll be tough to have a Cinderella story. Yeah. Paul, by the way, that bowl game.

[Marvin]

You mentioned, I was curious. The Las Vegas Bowl, December 20, 2004.

[Dan Patrick]

Wyoming 24, UCLA 21.

[Marvin]

Wyoming's first bowl victory since 1966.

[Dan Patrick]

And I remember it. I wasn't betting back then, but I would have bet everything on Wyoming that day. Watching them, I'd be like, they. This is so important. And UCLA is like, all right, we're in a bowl game. What do we do? We get a disc player. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

And I'm sure the TV networks and the stadiums that hold these games, they don't want to see James Madison or Tulane.

[Dan Patrick]

Like, we got to fill this stadium.

[Marvin]

We have to get our sponsorship.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but this is a home game for Oregon, so this helps.

[Marvin]

Oh, yeah, but I'm.

[Dan Patrick]

If this is a neutral site, that's when you'd get the true test of, you know, the football fan who wants to go and watch that game.

[Marvin]

Right. I remember when UConn went to think the Fiesta bowl and played Oklahoma.

[Dan Patrick]

UConn football lost money. Like, people in Connecticut.

[Marvin]

They weren't trying to go to Arizona to watch them get killed by the Sooners.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

That's a game changer right there. There. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note.

[Dan Patrick]

Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an.

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[Dan Patrick]

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Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Marvin]

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