Hour 2 – Expanding the College Football Playoff, Dan Wetzel

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Expanding the College Football Playoff, with Dan Wetzel

Date: December 11, 2025 – Hour 2
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Dan Wetzel, ESPN Senior Writer, College Football Analyst

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the evolving landscape of college football, focusing particularly on the push to expand the College Football Playoff (CFP). Dan Patrick discusses insider information about the Big Ten's desire for a 24-team playoff, potential impacts on bowl games, and the challenges of such a seismic shift. Dan Wetzel joins the show to break down Michigan’s latest coaching scandal, the intricacies of the upcoming coaching search, and the broader implications for Notre Dame, bowl traditions, and playoff expansion.

Patrick and his Danettes address the week’s NFL stories, including Joe Burrow’s honest—potentially ominous—comments about his football future, and touch on Travis Kelce’s and Nick Sirianni’s recent public statements. The episode is candid, humorous, and laced with signature Dan Patrick skepticism about college football’s decision-makers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. CFP Expansion: From 12 to 16…or 24?

[03:36–12:14, 37:23–41:18]

• Big Ten’s Ambition: Patrick reveals insider reports that the Big Ten is pushing for a 24-team playoff, with at least 4 automatic qualifiers. The current momentum is for a 16-team format next year.
• Dan Patrick’s Skepticism: He warns that expanding too rapidly without foundational planning “feels like they started building the roof before they put in the foundation…Once we go to 24, we’ve opened the door, and it's wide open.” ([05:55])
• Bowl Game Dilemma: Expansion could make many traditional bowl games obsolete or force them to rebrand as early playoff rounds. The panel debates if sponsorship, tradition, or fan travel can keep these games relevant.
• Home Playoff Games: They speculate about sponsors naming home playoff games (e.g., the “Pop Tart Bowl” at Notre Dame) and what this means for traditional bowl-hosting cities.
• Fan Logistics: There’s concern over whether fanbases would travel “back to back to back weeks” for playoff games and how this impacts attendance and atmosphere.

2. The Value of Bowl Games Amidst Expansion

[08:20–12:14, 41:37–43:34]

• Loss of Prestige: The Danettes note that once the playoff was introduced, many bowl games “lost their value.”
• Bowl Survival: Wetzel argues bowl traditions are resilient—"I've been hearing for 20 years that the bowl industry is dead. They keep making more bowls...People like to watch football and they like to gamble on football." ([42:05])
• Possible Solution: Dan floats the idea of having bowl games kick off the season in September with marquee matchups, instead of being postseason afterthoughts.

3. Michigan’s Coaching Crisis

[12:14–34:10]

• Sherrone Moore Firing & Legal Troubles: Patrick and Wetzel detail the rapid-fire timeline—Michigan’s investigation, immediate firing following credible evidence of an inappropriate relationship, and the subsequent assault investigation.
• Timing and Fallout: Wetzel is skeptical of the timing: “I don't see how this was beneficial to them...A number of candidates were hired, others signed deals to stay, which potentially takes them off the market. Michigan’s a little different, though.” ([31:41])
• Coaching Candidates: Wetzel’s shortlist includes Kalen DeBoer (Alabama), Jed Fisch (Washington), Eli Drinkwitz (Missouri), Jesse Minter (Chargers, ex-Michigan DC), and he notes the job’s unique appeal—but also chaos.

4. Notre Dame’s Playoff Plight & Independence Debate

[34:10–37:23]

• No “Permanent Damage”: Wetzel downplays talk of lasting harm to Notre Dame’s relationship with the ACC. "There's no permanent damage in college athletics. You could be dead enemies today and best friends tomorrow."
• Tiebreaker Controversy: He argues Notre Dame’s exclusion from the playoff was due to an obscure ACC tiebreaker, not systemic bias or conspiracy.
• Advice: Wetzel: “You cannot be blindsided. That’s this job. There’s no rug in the at-large selection process.”

5. Is a 24-Team Playoff a Good Idea? (Wetzel’s Take)

[37:55–41:18]

• “It’s a Terrible Plan”: Wetzel slams the 24-team proposal: “The North Star of college football needs to be to balance maintaining the importance of the regular season with an inclusive, exciting playoff…Once you start having play-in rounds, that's the playoff. It quickly becomes a 32-team playoff." ([37:55])
• Best Regular Season at Stake: He points to how extending too far would diminish what makes college football’s regular season special.
• Who Really Wants Expansion: Wetzel says, “Coaches and athletic directors who have bonuses in their contracts,” not fans, are the ones pushing for more teams. ([40:17])
• Prediction: He thinks 16 teams is the likely landing spot if the conference championship weekend is eliminated.

6. Joe Burrow’s Honest Reflections and NFL Player Well-being

[12:46–18:36]

• Burrow’s Vulnerability: Joe Burrow’s birthday press conference prompts Patrick to compare him to Andrew Luck. Burrow: “If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it. I've been through a lot…and if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for?” ([13:23], repeated at [16:03])
• More Than Just Football: The conversation turns to the toll injuries and constant pressure take on NFL stars, questioning how long elite quarterbacks will want to subject themselves to this grind.

7. NFL Check-in: Travis Kelce & Nick Sirianni

[48:42–52:20]

• Travis Kelce’s Struggles: After a tough game, Kelce admits, “I feel like I've always had the answers in years past, and this year, I just can't find them…It's little things...I just can't find them.” ([49:12])
• Jalen Hurts’ Job Security: Philadelphia Eagles coach Nick Sirianni dismisses rumors of replacing Jalen Hurts: “I think that's ridiculous…Every time I go out in that field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we have a chance to win the game.” (51:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“Once we go to 24, we’ve opened the door and it's wide open...That would concern me.”
– Dan Patrick [05:55]

“The North Star of college football needs to be to balance maintaining the importance of the regular season with an inclusive, exciting playoff.”
– Dan Wetzel [39:00]

“If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it. I've been through a lot…and if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for?”
– Joe Burrow [13:23, 16:03]

“I’ve been hearing for 20 years that the bowl industry is dead…They keep making more bowls. You know why? People like to watch football and they like to gamble.”
– Dan Wetzel [42:05]

“This 24 is a horrible plan…It quickly becomes like a 32-team playoff…It has got to be something for the fans of this sport where you maintain something before. We don’t just go from four to what’s really 32 teams. If you extract that plan out, that's crazy.”
– Dan Wetzel [37:55]

“Coaches and athletic directors who have bonuses in their contract…Nobody is asking for that.”
– Dan Wetzel [40:17]

“They make big decisions on a whim to try to solve the last problem that the big decision created.”
– Dan Wetzel [40:30]

“We need to protect the sanctity of the Pop Tart Bowl.”
– Dan Wetzel (in jest) [43:35]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Big Ten’s playoff expansion push, bowl game dilemmas: [03:36–12:14]
• Joe Burrow on his struggle/motivation: [13:23], [16:03]
• Michigan coaching saga overview with Dan Wetzel: [28:14–34:10]
• Michigan coaching candidates and program appeal: [31:06–34:10]
• Notre Dame’s playoff exclusion/tiebreaker controversy: [34:10–37:23]
• Wetzel buries 24-team playoff proposal: [37:55–41:18]
• Bowl games: valuation and survival: [41:37–43:34]
• Travis Kelce, Nick Sirianni/Jalen Hurts segments: [48:42–52:20]

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Tone and Style

The conversation is candid, sometimes skeptical, and always sharp, blending dry humor (“protect the sanctity of the Pop Tart Bowl”), blunt realism about sports business, and genuine fan perspective. Both Dan Patrick and Dan Wetzel balance critique of NCAA decision-making with playful banter about bowls and coaches.

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Conclusion

This episode spotlights the confusion and rapid change at the heart of modern college football. Dan Patrick and Dan Wetzel dissect the proposed playoff expansion, the fallout at Michigan, Notre Dame’s playoff frustrations, and the ever-evolving bowl scene, offering fans clear-eyed analysis, skepticism, and plenty of laughs along the way. For listeners wondering where college football is headed—and whether tradition or television dollars will win out—this is essential listening.

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Dan and the Dan Edge. Dan Patrick Show. Gotta take a deep breath after what happened yesterday, Michigan. How about nothing happens today? Let me take a breather here. And you want to talk about content. We got your content stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Let me do my announcer voice. Someone is guilty. No one is innocent. In the new drama series Michigan's football. No, no, no, it's not. It's called All Her Fault. A seemingly perfect family's world is shattered when their young son goes missing. Streaming now only on Peacock, which is where you can find our show. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. Football coming up tonight, it's the Falcons at the Buccaneers. The Falcons getting four and a half. Man, you know the NFC is there for the taking and this should have been the year for the Falcons. When you think about it, they have a lot of it feels like they have names. They have great names on offense. They don't always play great. And that's the big problem. And you start to wonder Raheem Morris's future in Atlanta with another subpar season. But they're at the Buccaneers. Mike Evans supposed to play. They got Bucky Urban back. So maybe Tampa can right the ship here. If not, I hope Carolina takes the thing be once again. I'm not rooting for anybody other than great content. Carolina, come on down. Sure. We spent most of the first hour talking about the Michigan situation. Sharon Moore fired and arrested for assault and supposed to have a court hearing at some point this morning. More on this coming up. Dan Wetzel covers college football for the Mothership. He will stop by Rob Gronkowski next hour. Yesterday I got information, a lot of information with one of my sources and one of the pieces of information the Big Ten is pushing for 24 teams in the playoffs. It looks like 16 teams next year has a lot of momentum. But the Big Ten wants to have at least four assured spots.

It would appear the only way 24 happens is the replacement of conference championships. This is what I'm told. Sixteen has obvious momentum. Simply put, one of the two deciding superpowers would have to back down. That would be the Big Ten. I don't want to go from 12 to 24. We might end up there, but, you know, the infrastructure, this is a foundation that feels like they started building the roof before they put in the foundation. That's what makes me nervous about college football in the powers that be. Because once we go to 24, now we've opened the door and it's wide open and there's a breeze coming in, and that. That would concern me. If we go 12 to 16, let's see how it feels. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens to the bowl games. If we go from 12 teams to 16, then if we got everything in order and we do it correctly, then. You want to go to 24. Okay. Do we need to go to 24? No. 16. Okay. But I wonder, can you do. Can you slap on the name of a home game for Notre Dame next year and call it the Pop Tart Bowl? But it's not going to be in Orlando. It'll be at Notre Dame. Because I know that you like that big week. It's bowl week. In a lot of these smaller cities or cities that are hosting a bowl game, you want all the, you know, pomp and circumstance and all the celebration and everything that goes along with it. I understand that. But if I'm a sponsor, I want to make sure that I have a full house for my football game that I'm sponsoring here. And this is where if you decide you're going to have these bowl games, you expand the playoffs. So Now I got 24 teams, and now I'm going to have these bowl games. Well, you're going to have a lot of these bowl games for the first and second round. They will be home games for these schools because this is the big worry with the committee. How many schools, fan bases are going to be able to travel back to back and maybe back to back to back weeks to be able to watch their team play. You want to have a full house here. But if you go to 24, what's going to happen to the bowl games?

Can I just say, this is this. This is the. Well, you'll get to the Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, Fiesta bowl, that's your semifinals. They'll keep those intact. But the other bowl games you want to make sure you don't. You don't want to have a bowl game and kids aren't going to play because there's nothing to play for. I mean, used to be you got a DVD and you got, you know, whatever, an Xbox. Hey, enjoy the bull game here. Unless you do bowl games at their location, and you do that at the beginning of the year. You start the season where somebody's playing in the Pop Tart bowl in Orlando or the Mayonnaise. The Mayo Bowl. Duke's Mayo bowl, of course.

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Put some respect.

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Yes, my bad. In there. A baked beans bowl. Bush's baked beans, of course. But okay, I could still have those bowl games, and we could have some good matchups. Also, if we go to 24 teams, 24 schools, maybe you're not afraid to schedule somebody out of conference. Like, there's a lot of things in play here. But the fact that the Big Ten wants to have at least four automatic qualifiers. Well, if that's the case, and I'm Greg Sankey at the sec, first thing I'm saying is, all right, you want four, we want six.

And then see where that conversation goes. Because the SEC is not going to let the Big Ten have the same automatic qualifiers. They're going to be like, no, we're the sec. We want at least five, if not six. Yeah, see? Yeah. I mean, I think once you introduced a playoff system, the bowl games lost.

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Their value, in my opinion.

Because you can't, like, you know, on your way to winning the national championship, you're going.

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To win the Pop Tarts bowl, the Sugar bowl, and the national. It doesn't. It doesn't make sense. But if you rework the system like you were saying, and the SEC Championship game was now the Sugar bowl every year or something like that, now, that makes sense to me. And that bowl still carries some value. It makes the SEC Championship meaningful as well.

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That, to me, makes sense.

[B]

If, you know, when the Rose bowl was the Pac 12 versus the Big.

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Ten, that made a lot of sense.

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That was fun. Now you're just, well, let's call the quarterfinal the Rose Bowl. Now we'll just make it that. That just. There's no value in that anymore. Well, but it would have value because the game would mean something. And that's what the bowl committee wants to make sure that these games are going to mean something to these kids. Right. And that's where it's tricky.

But this. And look, I'm just workshopping this. Nobody's told me, hey, you know, you can have a home game at Notre Dame and we just put a bowl name attached to that because, you know, some of these schools are get two home games and then you're going to go into. We're going to get to the big four bowl games. What do you do with the other ones? And that's why. Can you do it to start the season? Can you own the month of September with these bowl games? Which would be kind of fun. Now, granted, you're competing with the NFL, but you're always competing with the NFL. But now you get a marquee matchup. Let's say it's. It's Texas and Notre Dame to start the year and it's going to be in the Pop Tart Bowl. Everybody benefits from that, including us as fans. Yes, Paulie.

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I just quickly. It took like five minutes with AI to whip up a 2014 playoff. And so one of the first round games was Michigan at Texas. You could give that to the Xbox bowl, which is played in Frisco, Texas, and now it's just moved to Austin because they're the higher seed. And now you have the Xbox bowl as a first round playoff game at UT 80,000. And now the sponsor gets way, way, way more eyeballs. The only downside, like you said, is the normal cities that get some of these bowls will lose out.

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Yeah.

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But the sponsor will get way more of a payout.

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We'll have more on the Michigan situation and suggestions for their new head coach. You have the transfer portal coming up. They have. Are they going to play. I guess they have to play in the Citrus bowl, right? Man, I, I don't know if they. How about Notre Dame replaces them in the Citrus Bowl? But yeah, you don't have your coach. How many players are going to be there? And you got the Citrus bowl coming up at the end of the year. Yeah, Paulie.

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Or Notre Dame vs. Michigan and the we don't want to be here bowl.

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One other story, and it was kind of. Well, obviously it was dominated by the Michigan story yesterday. Or we forgot all about Joe Burrow had a press conference yesterday and Joe Burrow, it felt like it went to a dark place. And you start to think about everything he's been through. And I'll get to all of his injuries and how many times he's been sacked and just, you know, had a home break in. I mean, he's gone through an awful lot. And he spoke to the media yesterday and this is a portion of what he had to say.

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If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun.

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Doing it, you know, I've been through.

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A lot and if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for? So that's the mindset I'm trying to bring to the table.

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I've been through more than most and.

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Certainly not easy on the brain or the body.

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He turned 29 yesterday. Not exactly in a celebratory mood there. So he tore his ACL mcl. That cost him the tail end of his rookie season. Another season ending injury in 2023, tore ligament in his wrist of his throwing hand, turf toe. This year that required surgery. He was out for over two months. He's been sacked at least 40 times in each of the last three seasons that he's played 16 or more games. So he's been through a lot. Came back trying to get his team maybe into playoff contention. They ended up losing. He had a couple interceptions there and now basically out of playoff contention. And I don't know if this is an Andrew Luck situation, because that's what came to mind. Andrew Luck, I believe, is 29 years of age when he decided he was going to walk away from the Colts because he wasn't having fun. He had all these injuries. They had a bad offensive line. He paid the price for that. Then they got to the point where they had a good offensive line. Andrew Luck was 29 when he walked away from football. Joe Burrows looking around going, what am I doing? If I'm not enjoying this.

Why am I playing? And when you think of all the injuries here, it feels like it's every year it's something. And some seasons it's been more than just one injury. You're not on a good team. You have a team that doesn't have a defense. You got a couple of good weapons there, but this should have been a year where you guys were going to win this division.

But this is just like Andrew Luck. The Colts were favored to win their division and then he walked away in preseason. And maybe it's just one of those bad days on your birthday, but I don't know, maybe your birthday, you turn 29 and you start to look around and you go, what is the future here? And does he want to be in Cincinnati? So those were the things that kind of came to mind. I, I thought it deserved more attention because you were actually hearing something. Marvin, play it again. Because feels real. And it went dark.

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If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it. You know, I've been through a lot and if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for. So that's the mindset I'm trying to bring to the table. And I've been through more than most and certainly not easy on the.

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The brain or the body. Okay?

That, to me, was a big deal. And look, these guys go through dark periods when you. When anybody who's had an injury in the rehab process, you go through a dark period because people will ask you, hey, how you feel? How you doing? Hey, when you coming back? You know, you don't want to go out. You just want, you know, I'll do my rehab, and then I'm gonna. And he worked hard to come back. And we even wondered. I wondered, why are you coming back?

And then all of a sudden, you lose that game to Buffalo, and now you realize, okay, I'm back. Now he's got to play four more games.

And you have nothing to play for.

But you have to go out there because you're the leader. And. And I think he allowed. I think he allowed himself to speak honestly instead of just saying, you know, hey, you know, people say we have nothing to play for. We do. We always have something to play for. You know, we play for the fans and we play for, you know, each other, you know, whatever. He could do all of that, but I think he gave you a true peek inside his mind right now of, what am I doing? Why isn't this fun? It should be fun. Yes, Todd.

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And he may be feeling like this for a while, but you nailed it with the Bills. They win that game. They're one behind Baltimore and two behind Pittsburgh with four left. And there's still something to play for. Maybe he's not so down and thinking, like, this is just a terrible situation.

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Well, if they beat the Bills, then he probably has a different mindset, because now we're in it. Like, okay, it's a long shot, but we're in it. And that's all you want. You know, when you get eliminated and you got another month to play.

And you're going out there and you've been beat up, you work so hard to come back, and then all of a sudden you're like.

I gotta gear up. I got four more games to play. Yeah, Paulie.

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And in the fourth quarter of that game, they were going in to take a 2, 2 score lead. He throws two straight picks off tip passes, and that was the game. So he was directly involved. It was like, of course, he didn't have a terrible game. He had a great game. But those two plays must have been haunting him.

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Yeah. And those were fluke plays, but they were back to back interceptions, a pick six and then the other one and Buffalo came back to win that game. Cincinnati was the better team until Buffalo took advantage of them. All right, we'll take a break. Who are the candidates for Michigan and they better come on down now. Also, we'll hear from Philip Rivers and Travis Kelsey. Talks about a rough season, so a lot of things to get to. Rob Gronkowski will join us in an hour from now. We'll take a break. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Pay attention. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe, Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb, Kavino and Rich the Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington, the Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Maller Show. Fox sports radio on YouTube.

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We'll talk to Dan Wetzel, ESPN senior college football writer. He'll join us coming up here in a moment.

Jay in Delaware. Hi Jay. What's on your mind today?

Hey Dan.

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Hey. Hey Dan.

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The name that has been thrown out there.

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He's also free three Pac12 championships, went to a BCS title game and has a national championship as the offensive coordinator.

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For the Ohio State Buckeye.

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Chip Kelly, baby.

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Yeah, I don't think Chip Kelly would be hired. I brought up Brian Kelly but I was told last hour that is not going to happen either. You know, Jon Gruden's name is going to be brought up but you know, he's working for Barstool now and I don't know if you want to go from working one or two days to working 20 hours a day. But Michigan is a wonderful job, a coveted job. But you have a window here. It's a window of opportunity for somebody. But it is a window that is going to be really challenging trying to keep these kids there. Let's see. How about MAD in Illinois? Hi Matt. What's on your mind?

Hey dan.

[A]

Hey Danette. First time, long time, six foot and approving 270.

A Patriots fan in the Midwest, Gronk is the Goat. Glad I'm calling him. Same day he's coming in. I'm not a college fan. I don't watch college football. You guys kind of stole my thunder.

[B]

A little bit talking about it.

[A]

But keep the goal, the bowl games revelant and hope at the playoffs. Why don't we keep it where the selection committee keeps the their standard review and selection for the 12 games and then the next eight ranked teams get, we bring the bowl games up, make them a little more relevant and the next evening teams can battle for playoff.

[B]

Position for somebody who doesn't watch college football? You got a lot of opinions about college football there. Thank you for the phone call. I'm a vegetarian.

[A]

Here's how to cook a steak.

[B]

Fred in Sacramento. Hi, Fred. What's on your mind? Hey guys. Happy Thursday.

Thank you, Dan. I'm wondering who or what group of knucklehead Barney Fives came up with the idea of adding outhouse bids, referring to JMU and Tulane bids as an outhouse. Because if you guys have ever been in what, you know, what they smell like. Yeah, I'm all for the underdog. I just want to make sure that these games are competitive if we're talking about the best teams. But this is what the College Football Playoff committee came up with. You know, win a conference highest ranked, you know, all the math that goes into this. You know, the point spread at Oregon, what is it, 21, 22 points there. With JMU, I like that they get an opportunity. I just don't want them to be one sided. And then we go, yeah, they never should have been in. Okay, they got in because, you know, they did what they were supposed to do.

[A]

Yes, Marvin, but sometimes blowouts happen. Clemson blew out Alabama. ECU got blown out in the national championship game, but Boise State beat Oklahoma in a bcs.

[B]

Oh, I get it. So I know, but we don't, we don't focus on those games. You know, Notre Dame got blown out a national title game. But if it's the little guy and they get blown out, they'll be like, oh, remember when Hawaii played, didn't they play like Georgia in Atlanta? They got blown out and everybody's like, oh, they never wasn't Connecticut in a bowl game.

[A]

Are you talking about the Timmy Chang era?

[B]

Timmy Chang.

[A]

Don't ever besmirch that. Not on my watch.

[B]

June Jones, Dan Wetzel, he covers college football for the Mothership College Game day podcast. New York Times best selling author. When did the investigation begin at Michigan? From what you, you've been told.

[A]

Michigan got a tip earlier in the fall about this situation. I think there was investigation then that did not come up with any of the proof that they needed. More information came to light recently leading to I think a big revelation on Wednesday which led to what they, they called credible evidence which led to the Cheryl Moore's immediate fire.

[B]

What do you.

[A]

It was a process.

[B]

What do you think changed here in the last 48 hours?

[A]

I think they got proof that the, you know, look, he was, he had inappropriate relationship with a staff member. I mean it's, you just you cannot have the boss. I mean, it's a university policy. It's his contract. That's pretty much any company in the country. So once they were able to have what they called credible evidence or proof that that occurred, there was no, I don't think there was any hesitation at that point. I mean, this isn't great timing for Michigan.

You know, I'm sure, I mean, if they, if they wish, they probably wish they could have known three weeks ago, put them in a different spot was they try to make a higher so But I think they just got that. They got that final information or the proof and that was it.

[B]

What questions do you have today?

[A]

Well, there's a, there's a lot we're waiting for the official details on exactly. Not so much what got him fired. I think we can all figure that one out. But what happened after. And you know, look, he, he was the, the Pittsfield Township police, which is just outside Ann Arbor. So they were called to this residence at 4:10pm we, we broke the story maybe about 4:35 that he had been fired. And at 4, I think 46, the university put out a statement saying he had been fired. So fairly recently, after he was fired, he went almost immediately to this house. What happened between him being informed? I don't know the exact time when he was informed, but I think the team meeting was going on while he was there. So what happened there? What happened at this residence that led to an assault investigation for an alleged assault?

Where was he in that time frame and those details, I think, because he's now obviously sitting in, in custody awaiting to see whether the Washtenaw county prosecutor will charge him.

[B]

Now you got the coaching search is on. And as you said, if they knew three weeks ago, Matt Campbell's now in play for them and a couple other opportunities as well. So they got to expedite everything and they got to keep everybody on board. You got recruits who just signed up that, you know, you know, their quarterback, Bryce Underwood. Now LSU may go, hey, do you want to now come to lsu? I mean, it feels like everything's on the table. But if you were doing a short list here, who would you go after if you're Michigan?

[A]

Well, I think that the, the short list and this is the problem and I look at, I think, Dan, I've been on the show a long time with you. I think you, you know, I'm pretty skeptical of timing and all the things. I don't see how this, there's a lot of skepticism. Why did, why did this happen today for Michigan. I'm like, I. I don't see how this was beneficial to them. Obviously they would have had a different set of candidates. A number of candidates were hired, a number of others signed extensive deals to stay that potentially take them off, likely take them off the market. Now maybe they were willing to sign extension because they weren't really a candidate at Penn State or they didn't want the Penn State job or the Florida job. But Michigan is a little bit different. But a guy like Matt Campbell, he's available a couple weeks ago and he isn't now. I would say that the candidates are going to be Alabama's Kalyn DeBoer, whether they can get him to leave. He has a very good situation in Alabama. People close to that situation talk about, you know, his recruiting class. Not a lot of trip kids hitting the portal, momentum on the program, all that. The downside, you're following Nick Saban. If you don't win national titles, fans go, what's up? You go 10 and 2 and make the playoffs every year at Michigan, they're pretty happy. So he's going to be a candidate whether he's interested or not. I think, you know, Jed Fish up at Washington, Eli Drinkwitz at Missouri and a bunch of other host of other candidates and maybe some of these guys that again, they signed a deal to stay. Maybe Michigan changes their mind. Jesse Minter, the defensive coordinator for the Chargers, who obviously is working under Harbaugh, had been at the University of Michigan. It would be a popular choice there. Michigan's an interesting job, though. You could get all sorts of different NFL interests that maybe wouldn't go for another position in the thing. It's a nice mix, that school. I mean, it's chaotic, they're constantly in scandal. But it's a nice mix of like, we can win. We have the resources, we have the money, the alums, the stadium, the brand, all of that. But, and I hate to say it's not chaotic because it's always chaotic in Michigan, but like, the governor of Michigan is not going to be involved in search. The fans aren't expecting national tight. Five national titles in the next seven years. So there's some. And Ann Arbor is a good place to live and the Detroit airports right there, big airport. So some of the things that maybe an NFL coach is going, I don't want to go to a college town out in the middle of nowhere. There's. There's a lot. Michigan has a lot of appeal that maybe a couple other jobs wouldn't.

[B]

He's Dan Wetzel the Mothership Host College Game Day PODCAST New York Times Best selling author what do you think is the end game for Notre Dame after Pete Bavacqua came on and talked about the permanent damage done by the ACC to Notre Dame?

[A]

I think Notre Dame will calm down and there's nothing will come of it. I'm. This, this three day press tour. You, you started it all, Dan. Yeah, you started it. It's really your fault. Yeah, I think, I don't know what, I don't know what this was.

But I think there, there, there was a lot of people at Notre Dame very upset and if you see the AD coming out doing all that, you don't see Marcus Freeman, you don't see the president of school or anything like that. You see him taking this and I don't know, I mean it's not permanent damage is not, there's no permanent damage in college athletics. I mean you could be dead enemies today and best friends tomorrow. It doesn't matter. My thing with Notre Dame, I thought Notre Dame was capable. Winning national title. The playoff would be a heck of a lot better with them in it. It's really disappointing and I get how the players are disappointed. This entire.

You know, argument about how the playoff worked would have been solved if the ACC had a different tiebreaker for the fifth determination of a five way tie break. If they just did rankings instead of whatever, whatever the heck they had. Yeah, we would have had a ACC championship game of Miami versus Virginia. Miami either wins, gets the automatic bid, Notre Dame is in, or Virginia wins and you say, sorry, Miami got three losses at this point and Notre Dame is in and we only have one group of five. Like people want to blow the whole thing up. It's a tiebreaker at the fifth level. Like it just, it wasn't good and ACC should have seen it coming and changed it. But when you go, there's two, there's two ways to get in the playoff, right? You win your champ, conference championship or you get in this at large back alley knife fight where anything can happen. People get left out for this criteria that you don't know what's coming. Notre Dame sees their independence is great value. It's more valuable than being in a conference. So they are going to be in this mix every single time. And last year it worked out for him. It didn't for Alabama, Miami this year worked out for Alabama, Miami not for Notre Dame, you don't know. But for. If Notre Dame didn't alert their players and their coaches, if the administration Wasn't sitting there going in on Sunday saying, guys, this is a, this is a coin flip. We got no idea. And you just walking in saying, don't worry, everything's good, we're in. You have not paid any attention to the way this works the last 14 years. You are paid a lot of money to not be blindsided. And they said, well, we're blindsided. And that's what's bothering us. We don't like the pro. Nobody likes the process. You cannot be blindsided. This job. So I think there was a real dereliction of letting the players know because I think they would be less disappointed if they walked in saying, hey, you know, this stinks. It stinks. We could have won it. But it wasn't. The rug pulled out. There is no rug in the at large selection process.

[B]

Yeah, I'm telling my friends who are Notre Dame grads, they'd be like, what do you think? I go, it's up in the air, you know, prior to it. So if I felt that Pete Bavaqua, Marcus Freeman should have felt that as well. Before I let you go, had a source who told me that the Big Ten is pushing for 24 playoff teams. They want to get four automatic qualifiers. At least.

We'Re going to go from 12 to 16. It feels like I don't think we're ready to go from 12 to 24. But your thoughts?

[A]

Yeah, the 24 is a horrible plan. I mean, it's just, it's terrible because it's not even 24. Because what the Big Ten wants to do is they take their four bids and they want to play three games on the conference championship weekend with their one and two would still play. So last year, if it was this year, Indiana, Ohio State, they'll play for conference title and then three would play six. And so I don't know what that be, but like Iowa is like six maybe, and then Michigan is five and four would play five. So you can call it a 2014 playoff, but once you start having play in rounds, that's the playoff also. So it quickly becomes like a 32 team playoff. I give you extract it out all the big. This is a terrible idea. It's just a terrible idea. The North Star of college football needs to be to balance maintaining the importance of the regular season, which is the best in sports, with a inclusive and big exciting playoff. And I'll give you example why this 12 is working.

First weekend of the year, Notre Dame lost to Miami. It cost them. And there was another one the first weekend of the year I can't remember now, that one's cost them, right? So when you go into next year, you know, watching on the first week, Labor Day weekend, and there's a big matchup between two top 10 teams. Losing matters. You just can't sit there and be like, oh, we got five losses. We came in sixth in the Big Ten. We're good. We still got a chance. Nobody, nobody thinks Michigan should have another chance. They weren't that good. Only three losses. So that plan is. I don't even know if the people who come up with those plans even like college football. I get what they're trying to make money, but, like, it has got to be something for the fans of this sport where you maintain something before. We don't just go from four to what's really 32 teams. If you extract that plan out, that's crazy.

[B]

Yeah, but that makes me nervous when you said it's a terrible idea that, that. That's when they go, hey, you know what? Everybody come into the deep end of the pool. We'll figure it out later. That's always. They. They go, let's do this. And then we'll figure it out after the fact. That's why we get into these situations with college football, not to mention college basketball is going to expand as well.

[A]

They're going to go asking for that. Who is asking for that? You know, he's asking coaches and athletic directors who have bonuses in their contract that they get in the. Nobody is asking for that. And you.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Yeah, it's. They make big decisions on a whim to try to solve the last problem that the big decision created. So now they're like, well, the problem is our league is too big. Well, listen, Big Ten, who the heck told you to go blow up the PAC 12? That's a you problem, not our problem. You destroyed that league. You destroyed the old Big East. You altered. Like the Big Ten wreaks havoc on college athletics with their bad ideas, followed by the next. It's like my golf game, Dan. A fix on a fix on a fix. You know, the slice. And now I'm, you know, so this is. This is a terrible plan. I think they will go to 16. I think 16 works if they eliminate the conference championship weekend, speed this thing up. Everybody gets in more home games, too.

[B]

Please.

[A]

Can the fans, like, attend a game at their own stadium, not be told? Only the rich people that can fly to Glendale for this weekend and New Orleans the next weekend. They're the only fans to get to 10 games.

[B]

That's another story though, for another day. Dan, the future of these bowl games.

I mean, I maintain, why don't we start the year with these bowl games so you can have matchups that maybe you wouldn't have. And maybe the pool and weed eater bowl survives, and maybe the pop tart bowl survives. But you get some good matchups at the beginning of the year if you're going to expand 16 teams.

[A]

What was the last bowl game that that closed, Dan?

[B]

I think it was the Blue Bonnet, the astronauts business.

[A]

They don't go out of business.

I've hearing for 20 years that the bowl industry is dead. They keep making more bowls. You know why? People like to watch football and they like to gamble on football. And it does. They will play us to six. And six teams will play it like the New Mexico Bowl. And 3 million people will watch.

[B]

Isn't there a five win team?

[A]

We don't care. Like you can watch a game between like the seventh place ACC team against the sixth place Big Ten team played in Fenway park in a baseball stadium named after, you know, Wasabi computer security. And you're like, I'm all in. I gotta watch this game. Hunt, these games don't go out of business. They never go out of business. You and I will buy any game that wants to go out of business. These are cash pals. These guys are crying poverty. Sorry your game doesn't matter as much you. There's like 40 of them now. How many were there 20 years ago when the sportless thing was dying?

[B]

The money, the people you work for now that's the reason why we got 40 bowl games. Because they need programming and as we should. Okay?

[A]

We're just serving the public.

[B]

Dan, he is ESPN senior writer. I hope I didn't, you know, upset you today.

[A]

Why would you do.

[B]

I don't know, you just seem like you're fired up.

[A]

I'm just naturally passionate.

[B]

It's like, all right, it's been a while.

[A]

Geez.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Get me on bowl games. I'm ready.

[B]

I'm not upset.

[A]

I mean, love it.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Listen, I think the Pop Tar bowl is. We need to protect the sanctity of the Pop Tart.

[B]

Of course. We do.

[A]

We really do.

[B]

So that'll be your legacy? That's your legacy. That'll be it. Yeah.

[A]

I will die on that hill. Yeah.

[B]

Thank you, Dan. That's Dan Wetzel, ESPN senior writer, host of college Game Day podcast, New York Times best selling author. Yeah. When they say, don't you remember, Dan Wo. What's he famous for? He. He saved the Pop Tart Bowl. Oh my gosh. It's a solid legacy. Yeah, it is, really.

[A]

Twenty years of Pop Tart comes out with his head on top.

[B]

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Outlaws. Travis Kelce, coming off one of his worst games of his career, was on his New Heights podcast and he tried to sum up this season in Kansas City. It's, it's been a tough go around for the past two days. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's just you put in all.

[B]

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[A]

Off and right now it's just for whatever reason, man, it's little things. It's. I don't know, discipline. I feel like I've always had.

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Just. I just can't find them. And I keep thinking if I.

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My fundamentals and what I'm being taught and go out there and try and play my ass off for my guys next to me, it's. It's all gonna come together like it has in years past, and this year's just not.

[B]

Man. Travis Kelsey with his brother, the New Heights podcast. Yeah, reality is starting to set in because his career is going to be over probably in four weeks. Hall of Fame career, first ballot, hall of Famer. But, you know, when people say, oh, you never want to go out like this, what makes you think that next year will be better? Because.

What, another year of experience?

He's. He's fortunate that he got this this year, because I thought he was done last year. Now he's shown signs that he can still play, but not on a consistent basis. Not the go to guy that we come to expect, really. The safety, security blanket for Patrick Mahomes, it's just not there anymore. And I think you're hearing somebody say, I put in all the time. You can put in all the time, but, man, Father Time's undefeated. Yes.

[A]

Marvin. But I can understand him wanting to give it one more go because you were really close to winning the Super Bowl. Like, look, a couple more plays, we win the Super Bowl. Let's run this back one more time and we can get back.

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Year. Right.

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Dolphins. Yeah. No.

Nick Sirianni, he gets paid to be on WIP in Philadelphia. Probably a weekly thing for the coach. And he was asked this question.

[A]

Is there a possibility later this season.

[B]

If he continues to struggle, that you can make a change at the quarterback spot? No, I think that's ridiculous. You know, I think, you know, Jalen hurts. I know every time I go out in that field with Jalen hurts as Our.

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Quarterback. We have a chance to win the.

[B]

Game.

The guy who's the super bowl mvp.

This is really who he is. You have to structure an offense where it is not dependent on him throwing the ball 40 times. That, to me, is the issue. Who's calling the plays? The head coaches. But you're going to tell me Tanner McKee gives you a better chance of winning?

Come on.

That's a silly question.

[A]

Yes. Mark, how many fan bases are like this? Where your Super Bowl MVP from last season.

They. They have this question for the coach. How many fan bases are like.

[B]

This? Well, the Giants fans would probably do this. They did this with Eli Manning, Tom Coughlin. The jets are never good enough. Where they'd be asking these kind of questions. They're nev. They never accomplished anything where they'd be like, man, why are you still going with that guy?

I don't know if there's another fan base that would do that.

But you know that. I mean, maybe Pittsburgh maybe, but, you know, with the Eagles nose fans. Yeah, I could see that. JJ in Florida. Hi, jj. What's on your mind?

Dan, thank you for taking my.

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Not.

I did. I thought it was Emmy worthy. They did an outstanding job. I wasn't aware that he divorced his first wife. I wasn't aware he was sick three years.

Let me tell you, your hair look Olympic worthy back in the.

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Run. A lot of. I watched the first half of it. There's a lot of Stuart growing up that I didn't know about. That really gives a great.

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