Hour 2 - Ja'Marr vs. Jalen, Tim Hasselbeck Talks Sheduer Sanders' Debut and Drake Maye's Stellar Season

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show (Hour 2)

Episode: Ja'Marr vs. Jalen, Tim Hasselbeck Talks Shedeur Sanders' Debut and Drake Maye's Stellar Season
Date: November 17, 2025
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Tim Hasselbeck (ESPN NFL & College Football Analyst)

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Overview

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show focuses on:

• The fallout from the Ja’Marr Chase and Jalen Ramsey spitting incident
• Quarterback evaluation, especially Tim Hasselbeck’s early insights on Drake Maye and his thoughts on Shedeur Sanders’ NFL debut
• General discussion about the importance of watching whole games vs. highlights, the reality of backup QBs, and what makes Mahomes and Hurts special
• Mix of humor, panel banter, sports culture observations, and listener calls

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Ja’Marr Chase – Jalen Ramsey Spitting Incident

• Incident Recap: During a heated Bengals-Dolphins game, Ja’Marr Chase allegedly spit on Jalen Ramsey, leading to Ramsey punching Chase and getting ejected.
• Dan Patrick Reaction:
  • Cites video evidence confirming the spit (14:48).
  • Emphasizes the gravity: "there’s nothing that is going to be said that warrants that" (15:15).
  • Cites precedent: mentions past NFL spitting incidents involving Bill Romanowski and Mean Joe Greene.
• Potential Consequences:
  • Dan argues the NFL should issue a real deterrent, possibly a multi-game suspension, due to the ripple effects—impacting the Bengals’ record, Burrow’s return, and coach’s job security (16:00).
  • Panel jokes about accidental spitting and reputations: "I have very active salivary glands" – Tim Hasselbeck (18:10).
  • Dan notes that Chase lacks a prior bad reputation; suggests more info needed: "I don’t think they’re going to do anything to Jamar Chase this morning" (18:17).

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2. Quarterback Analysis & Tim Hasselbeck’s Victory Lap

• Dan’s Context:
  • Recalls Hasselbeck was the first to hype Drake Maye as the best QB prospect in his class (2 years prior) (24:43, 25:41).
  • Observes that most analysts’ statements are forgotten, but “I love remembering what people say... Tim deserves a victory lap.”
• Tim Hasselbeck on Drake Maye (25:41–27:50):
  • Attributes his assessment to seeing Maye’s physical tools and intangibles, plus observing him up close calling ACC games.
  • Explains that in-person interviews provide critical insight beyond film study: "Those [QB] interviews are as valuable...as seeing somebody throw live—probably more so."
• Philosophy on QB Evaluation:
  • Cautions against hot takes: “I hear when I’m wrong a lot...but I usually don’t get those [victory laps]” (26:31).
  • Points out the difficulty of fully evaluating QBs without deep, personal interviews.

Key Quote

“Anybody who does evaluation of college quarterbacks has an incomplete assessment of them unless they have the ability to do those quarterback interviews...those are as valuable in the evaluation process as seeing somebody throw live.”
— Tim Hasselbeck (26:31)

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3. The Shedeur Sanders NFL Debut Debate

• Dan’s View: Cautions media against making excuses for Sanders, especially the "didn’t get first-team reps" rationale. Notes Shedeur’s lack of pocket awareness and slow release as reasons for not starting (27:50, 30:01).
• Tim Hasselbeck on Backup QB Reality (28:23–30:01):
  • “Yeah, never.” (on backups getting first-team reps)
  • Explains that back-up QBs rarely, if ever, get first-team reps unless the starter gets a rest day. The expectation is to play like a starter without those reps.
  • Decision who starts in NFL games is typically obvious: “It's obvious who is most ready...There are very few times that it's like, I'm not really sure.”
• Evaluation Standards:
  • It's not about potential big plays, but “can you at least get us to the point where you’re giving us a chance before your ability to make a throw...ever comes into play?” (31:47)

Key Quote

"When you’re thrown in there, everyone wants you to play like a starter...when you don’t, no one says, ‘oh, well, you know, little Timmy didn’t get the reps.’ It just doesn’t work that way."
— Tim Hasselbeck (28:23)

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4. QB Prospects & The Importance of Reps

• Tim hesitates to name 2025’s best college QB prospect without more study: “Maybe you’ll never invite me back again, but I don’t like doing—that’s what saying something without having really watched” (33:00).
• Emphasizes need for sample size (starts/throws) when grading QBs—30+ starts is ideal.
• Dan and Tim reference Bill Parcells’ “commandments” on QB evaluation (35:09).
• Resilience in adversity is critical: "Show me the quarterback after he throws a pick six...that's when I want to see." (35:36)

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Notable Quotes

• “If they don’t have experience, you are guessing. Anybody who said they knew Trey Lance was going to be a good prospect—they were guessing.” — Tim Hasselbeck (34:15)
• “You bring up adversity and I bring this up all the time...Show me the quarterback after he throws a pick six.” — Dan Patrick (35:36)

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5. NFL/College Landscape & Quarterback Play

• Tim discusses the difference between being a great quarterback vs. great passer, using Jalen Hurts as the example:
  • Hurts is “not a great passer, but a great quarterback” because of leadership/intangibles (39:58).
  • Also notes importance of creating tailored playbooks for QBs—maximize what they do well, mix in running, especially when needed in the postseason (40:24).
• Tim credits Mahomes’ "competitive awareness" and elite ability “both inside and outside the structure of the offense” (38:48).
  • “In must-have situations, he raises his game. Why does he run better in the playoffs? ... it’s because he just gets it.” (38:48–39:58)
• AFC outlook: "Kansas City...will scare people, but for sure beatable this year on the road. Their defense is better at Arrowhead than on the road in the postseason." (37:32)

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6. Humor, Banter & Miscellaneous

• Several light-hearted moments about car troubles on "the Mako van" and Seton O’Connor’s misadventures (11:31, 46:11+).
• Panel pokes fun at each other—especially about football as a TV “nightlight” even during less-interesting games (13:59), and about "active salivary glands" (18:10).
• Listener calls on winning weekends, Browns underachievement, and Lions’ controversial loss (50:07).

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On QB evaluation:

  • "Those [QB] interviews are as valuable in the evaluation process as seeing somebody throw live—probably more beneficial."
    — Tim Hasselbeck (26:31)

• On backup QBs:

  • “When you’re thrown in there, everyone wants you to play like a starter. And when you don’t... it doesn’t work that way.”
    — Tim Hasselbeck (28:23)

• On spitting incident:

  • "There’s nothing that is going to be said that warrants that."
    — Dan Patrick (15:15)

• On Mahomes’ greatness:

  • “He can play perfectly in the structure of an offense...and outside the design of the play, do things where you go like, that literally goes against everything you would ever coach.”
    — Tim Hasselbeck (38:48)

• On adversity:

  • “Show me the quarterback after he throws a pick six...That’ll tell me more than you know, you lead the team down and throw a touchdown pass.”
    — Dan Patrick (35:36)

• On Jalen Hurts:

  • "I don’t think he’s a good passer, but I think he's a great quarterback."
    — Dan Patrick (39:58)

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Important Timestamps

• 24:43: Dan introduces Tim Hasselbeck, asks about early Drake Maye evaluation
• 25:41–27:50: Tim details his approach to evaluating Maye and other quarterbacks
• 28:23–30:01: Backup QB realities, Shedeur Sanders conversation
• 30:52–32:29: Dan and Tim on what coaches look for in a QB, readiness
• 32:41–34:15: Tim on evaluating this year’s prospects, Notre Dame’s Parcells commandments, importance of "time on task"
• 35:09–36:11: Sample size needed, resilience, adversity
• 37:17–38:38: Chiefs’ playoff outlook, Mahomes analysis
• 39:58–41:58: Hurts’ strengths/weaknesses, how coaching can help
• 14:48–18:17: Ja’Marr Chase–Jalen Ramsey spitting incident review and its fallout
• 11:31, 46:11: Seton and the Mako van, running show gags

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Flow & Tone

• Dan balances sharp, critical sports analysis with humor and laid-back banter.
• Tim Hasselbeck’s segments mix humility, detailed QB insight, and willingness to challenge standard narratives.
• Panel and listener sections add authenticity and sports-fan relatability.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This hour delivers unique insights into quarterback development and the importance of in-depth scouting (not just highlights), provides broader context for recent NFL controversies (like Chase-Ramsey), and maintains the show’s trademark blend of humor, panel chemistry, and deep sports culture knowledge.

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Final Takeaway

Dan’s show is at its best when digging beneath headline moments—whether it’s a viral on-field spat or the prospects of a rookie quarterback—and letting expert guests like Tim Hasselbeck reveal what really separates the great from the hyped.

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So I love remembering what people say. There's a lot of analysts who just say something in the moment and then we move on. But Tim Hasselbeck was the guy who said something about Drake May because he did. ACC games, you have to see games, you can see highlights. You know, I got, I've watched Fernando Mendoza two games, Julian saying, I've watched two games so I've able to watch a game or two and that's the difference. Not only in college, like Jeremiah Love. I've watched three games and I see the value that he has and I think that's where you're being fair. You're being fair to the story one way or another. You know, everybody talks about Shador Sanders, everybody wants to talk about Shador Sanders and I always would say the same thing. I think he'll start for the Browns this year. He hasn't yet, but I think he'll get that opportunity. He doesn't have pocket awareness, he doesn't have pocket presence now. His offensive line isn't good. The Ravens went after him. He did get his moment, but that's not really reflective or indicative of what I think he can be. But if Dylan Gabriel doesn't get hurt, I think the Browns win the game. But you know, Shador Sanders is going to get a lot of attention today. He was 4 for 16. He threw an interception. He was under fire. I'd like to see and don't please you analysts don't do this where you go, you know, that's the first time he's taken reps with the first team. Your backup or third string quarterback doesn't take reps with the first team. The only time that happens is when your veteran quarterback, let's say Joe Flacco, doesn't practice, you know, maybe a day or two during the week, then you could get some first team reps if you're a quarterback. But please don't make excuses here. Right now he's acting like he's a, you know, a fifth round draft pick. Maybe he gets the opportunity is once again, get rid of the ball. Get rid of the ball. Have pocket presence. That's why Dylan Gabriel was playing. I don't know if Dylan Gabriel's better, but he's serviceable and he gets the bar ball out quicker than Shador. They all want to make a big play. Everybody wants to, you know, have, hey, there's a five yard out. Nah, I want to do the 12 yard in with a guy right on him. Take small victories here, especially if you're a young quarterback. But, you know, we tend to focus on, you know, what's going to bring a click here too. And, you know, I'm watching the Titans yesterday, You know, Cam Ward had a couple of moments there. You can see glimpses, but you got to watch a game because you can see a highlight go, damn, he's good. Watch an entire game. Just to be fair, when we have these opinions and I don't think many people are doing that now, it's so easy to watch the red zone or just watch SportsCenter, get a couple of highlights or two. And it can be really, really misleading. And you got to be fair to these kids. It's the most talked about position in all the sports and we place so much emphasis on that. It's just like Sam Darnold. If you watch the game, it was standalone game last night or yesterday, you know, that late afternoon. If you're watching that, you're probably going, and I got to see something in the postseason and that's fair because I've seen him in three games, two last year and in that game against the Rams. This is, this is what we want to see. It's like Danny Dimes, I've watched him. I think he plays well. I think he doesn't have the pressure of New York and you cut down on your turnovers. So what happens in a big game, turnovers. That's what we're going to say with Danny Dimes. I got to see this in the postseason. There's just certain players, certain teams where you go, yeah, okay, but that's what we want to see. Lamar Jackson, oh, my God, is he incredible. During the regular season. And what do we say? Let me see what he does in the postseason. Even yesterday. Not good. You're playing the Browns. Be fair to these, these quarterbacks watch a game and see how they, they, they react, respond. If something bad happens, you get knocked down, they get back up. I mean that's the genius of when I look at Mahomes, you can hit him, put pressure on him if he throws an interception. And that's a great defense he was going against. But it always felt like he was, he was never. His ekg, you know, wasn't up and down. It was just this is, I'm in these positions. I've been here before. I know what to do in this now. Denver was the better team at that. Defense is wonderful and Bo Nix made some plays. I didn't think you have a great game. It's like when people see Caleb Williams rush for a touchdown against the Giants previous week. Like, man, did he have a great game. He didn't. He had a great fourth quarter. And I think that's where being fair to these quarterbacks watch the games. And that's what I appreciated about Tim Hasselbuck. He was watching Drake may play games, he was covering the acc and therefore, you know, you put value on that. You know, if Herbie is going to tell me or Joel Klatt's going to tell me about somebody, they're watching games and you're doing it for years. Chris Sims, when his, you know, mock draft comes out or he talks about his quarterbacks, I mean I'm, I zero in on that because I know there's, there's depth to it, homework, there value to them. All right, we'll get to phone calls as we always do on Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. Miles Garrett now has at least 12 sacks in six consecutive seasons. And the reason why I bring this up, that's the all time record, modern record in the NFL surpassing Lawrence Taylor. And he's had multiple games of four or more sacks in a season. He's done that in three career games with four or more sacks. Leslie o', Neill, Derek Thomas, Reggie White and Chandler Jones. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock download the app. If you haven't done so or the NBC Sports Network and making our debut or re debut or debut part two with NBC Sports Network go to danpatrick.com the autograph calendars. Non autograph calendars are available. Also check out the Special we have on Tailgate Moonshine as well. We will be in Vegas Thursday and Friday of this week. Formula one is in town. We thought we'll give it a spin, go out there and see what it's all about and see if we can blend in with the beautiful people there. Fritz, he's here. Dylan's in for Seaton. Marvin's here, Paulie's here. We will speak to Seaton. He's on the road and made it to Vegas. He and the big German made it in separate vehicles, although I heard about the damage that Seaton had on the Mako van. It's a good thing Mako is our sponsor because the big German said to Seton, hey, so you got a scratch on the Mako van. He goes, well. 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So.

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It'S not like Tommy boy, you know, with their car when they were driving it. But I think we're gonna have to get Mako to fix the Mako van. Yes, Dylan. You know what's funny is, so when I first started here, Dan, one of my jobs was driving the box truck around when we're doing the studio build, which we rented. And when you rent one of those box trucks, every single thing is insured unless you shear the top of it off, because that is most commonly what happens. Yeah, big German, I talked to him yesterday, I said, hey, so that scratch, he goes, well, I would say scratches, scratches. But he got into the garage, but then he had to get out of the garage, so he had to just go back and scrape it up. So Satan will join us coming up here a little bit later on. More of your phone calls as well, by the way. There were five teams who won their game on the final play yesterday. Wild. And a couple of them were happening, like, simultaneously. And I was watching the red zone and all of a sudden it was like, oh, there's a. That's a winner, and. And there, that's a winner. So it just feels like you get these one score. Now then you have the Chargers against Jacksonville and you're thinking that could be a one score game. And it was. The Chargers had one score and that was it. It was a one score game. All right, poll question for hour two is going to be what Dylan all Right. Dan? This is from Marvin, actually. If you're not a Raiders or Cowboys fan, why are you watching the game tonight? I have money on the game. That would be my answer. I'll take any football, no matter what. It's better than being with my family or other. I don't know. Monday Night Football, it's always special. Joe and Troy. Yeah.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

If Howard Cosell was doing the game.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm okay with it. You know, these are. These are legendary franchises. Good uniforms. Yeah. Paulie, this is the kind of night where you need the Manning cast, and they're on tonight because the game may not be juicy, but the Mannings can have some fun with blank guest and fill in the blank a little bit because this is a game you could skip the first quarter and do other things easily. Well, I think they're going to score a lot of points. I think the over under is like 50 and a half. Cowboys favored by three and a half. Yes, Todd.

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And it's still football, even if you have it in the background. It's, you know, it's the last game of the week. It's. There's something comforting. Whether you like the voices of Joe or Troy, you just want to have live football on in the background almost as a nightlight while you're kind of dozing off.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. So I'm gonna experience it. All right. Well, thank you. We spent a little bit of time talking about the situation with Pittsburgh and the Cincinnati Bengals. Jamar Chase, the spitting incident on Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey went through in great detail kind of how this happened. John, back and forth, and then all of a sudden he spit on him. Jalen Ramsey punched Jamar Chase, got kicked out of the game. Then we find out after the game there is video evidence of Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey. Here is Jamar Chase with his excuse.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

He was saying that you spit on him.

[Dan Patrick]

Did you spit on him?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

I never. I ain't never opened my mouth to that guy.

[Dan Patrick]

So what do you think prompted the reaction from him?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Well, he don't like some of the words I told him.

[Dan Patrick]

We've been going back and forth the.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Whole time, so I'm sure some got under his skin.

[Dan Patrick]

So it was building the whole game.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

It just wasn't on that drive. And the first time we had a altercation, and then it was a second time.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, well, he's lying. And there's video evidence. I don't know what was said, but there's nothing that is going to be said that warrants that. And this is where I'm really curious what the NFL does. Is it just one game? Because, you know, and this has happened down through the years with the NFL, we've had incidents. We've had no names. We've had big names. We've had somebody getting spit on. The Super Bowl, Steve Smith told us that he got spit on. So you've got Bill Romanowski spitting on a play. You know, so there's guys mean Joe Green allegedly spitting on Conrad Dobler. It's happened, but that doesn't mean that, you know, it's part of the game. It should be. There should be a real strong deterrent here. Now, I don't know if the NFL can say, all right, we suspended Jalen Carter for the game against the Cowboys, and therefore you can't come down harder on Jamar Chase, can you? Because I would suspend somebody for a couple of games. Let the message sink in. Because with that, think. Think about the. The repercussions, ramification. Let's say Jamar Chase, he's suspended for this next game. So you lose a game. Check. Now, you may lose that game. Therefore, there is no reason to bring Joe Burrow back. And you have a head coach who might be coaching for his job. So, yes, you got caught up in the moment. You spit on somebody. So Burrow's now not going to play. Your coach may get fired, probably will, and then you're going to have another loss here. So it's not just a stupid moment here. This could be. It could metastasize the issues with the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah. Dylan, it was also funny how he said, I've never opened my mouth to that guy. And then he was like, so why do you punch? He was like, well, he didn't like the words I was saying. I was like, I believe that is opening your mouth still. Also, the. If you're going purely on spit volume, his was way worse than Jalen Carter's. Even so maybe that's two games. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if the NFL has the authority to be able to do that, or the NFL Player association comes in and said, hey, wait a minute here. One game. But he's. He. The reporter did ask a little bit later on in that conversation, he asked him again about, did you spit on Jalen Ramsey? And he said, no. So he doubled down and, you know, maybe he's thinking, well, there's no. Nobody's got that video. Like, it's just his word against mine. But, you know, they're all crowded in there. Somebody else had to see it. I'M guessing. Yes.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Todd, some people have active salivary glands. It's possible. You open up your mouth like when you're the dentist and things start squirting out, then you don't even realize what you're doing.

[Dan Patrick]

You. If that happened with you, you would have an excuse.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

I have very active salivary glands.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. If you did that and you spit on me, then I'd say, and you could say, hey, I'm sorry. And I would believe you that you didn't mean to.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

I would hope so.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yes, Paul. And when you're watching in real time, I don't think Jamar Chase nationally has a bad reputation of getting in trouble or on or off the field. So when I saw, I was like, oh, Ramsey losing his cool. You assume it's that because you can't see it, the spit when it happens and they didn't replay it during the game. Yeah. And you know Jaylen Ramsey loves to talk and I'm guessing Jamar Chase does, too. But I'd be curious. So a couple things I'm waiting for. See what the NFL does to Jamar Chase. An update on Aaron Rodgers and an update on Josh Jacobs. I think that's kind of what we're waiting for. I don't think they're going to do anything to Jamar Chase this morning, but I'm guessing MRI with Rogers non throwing hand and Josh Jacobs with the knee injury for the Green Bay Packers. All right, we'll take a break. We'll talk some more football. Coming up, your phone calls as well. We're back after this in the Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, we're Covino and Rich, Fox Sports radio every day, 5 to 7pm Eastern. But here's the thing.

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[Dan Patrick]

We'll hear from Josh Allen. Incredible performance and they needed all of that against Tampa Bay. That'll be coming up in a little Bit more of your phone calls as well. Update the poll results. We are a I told you so sports society. Whether you're an armchair quarterback, whether you're a host, whether you're an analyst, you're quick to say, I told you, I told you. Not too many times. It's like gambling. You always tell people when you win, you don't tell people when you lose. And I wanted to have Tim Hasselbeck on because Tim said this last or a couple of years ago where he talked about Drake May, and this is two years ago this month that he was telling us how great Drake May is. And a lot of times we move on from that. Or you can tell some, you know, hey, I told you he was. No, I actually heard it. And I said to Fritzi, I said, get Tim on, you deserve a victory lap. Tim Hasselbeck, go on and take it. What did you see that made you think this was the best quarterback in that draft?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

You know, Dan, I think what I saw was just like the physical tools were obviously there. Like, that was a no brainer. And that's the case a lot of times with, with guys, you know, they're just like physically talented and that type of thing. But I think there were other things about him in terms of just his makeup, you know, in terms of like what his path was through high school, kind of what his upbringing was, what it was like, in terms of what his experience was like at Carolina, how it started, things he kind of had to persevere through. And I'll just say this like, you know, I'm not, I think I said to you, you know, back then, like, I'm not, you know, the hot takes aren't really me. That's not what, what, you know, I've done, I guess over the last 18 years or so. But so I appreciate the victory lap. I usually don't get those. I hear when I'm wrong a lot.

[Dan Patrick]

So.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

So I appreciate you, you, you know, bringing that back. But anybody who's in the media who does an evaluation of college quarterbacks has an incomplete assessment of them unless they have the ability to do like what Gruden used to do in terms of those quarterback interviews. Because truthfully, like, those are as valuable in the evaluation process as seeing somebody throw live and probably more beneficial than seeing somebody throw live. So, you know, at the time, I had the benefit of calling Carolina games over multiple years and being able to meet with Drake. And so when you can sit with somebody and say, okay, well, why did that happen? Or what did you See here, that tells you way more than just watching somebody's film and making an assessment on it. So look, I, I've been right about other guys in the past, I've been wrong about other guys in the past. To me, there was really nothing wrong with him as a prospect coming out. And from my conversations with him, it was like, this guy totally gets it, gets everything about playing the position and what it would be like to have to be the leader of a franchise.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, one other topic, and I know most of your NFL career was as a backup, and much has been made about Shador Sanders that he didn't get first team reps. And you know, Chase, Daniel, Josh McCown tweeted out, the backup quarterback doesn't get first team reps. It's standard. But it feels like everybody keeps trying to make excuses for Shador Sanders and that shouldn't be one of them that he didn't get first team reps. So as a backup quarterback, how often would you get first team reps during the week?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Yeah, never. So, you know, Chase and Luke are exactly right. They've lived it just like every backup has lived it. And what's interesting about being the backup is you don't get any reps. But when you're thrown in there, everyone wants you to play like a starter. And when you don't, no one says, oh, well, you know, little Timmy didn't get the reps. Like it doesn't work that way. Like it just, that's just, that's how it goes. It's the same thing at pretty much every position. You might, you know, some spots just because of the running and things like that at practice, you know, you could lighten the load at certain positions. You know, a running back maybe who's, who's had a bunch of touches throughout the season. But really the way it works is you only get so many plays in practice. You know, like guys don't go in at 8 o' clock and practice plays until 5:30. It doesn't, we're like, you'll wear people out. Like it's a long season. And so look, it might be 12, 7 on 7 reps, 14 team reps. And then by those, you know, you kind of section them out in terms of, you know, situational football. Will you give those to the guys that you're expecting to be playing? Especially if it's a, you know, a relatively young, inexperienced player, you know, so like that's, that is standard practice across the league. And really the only time a backup would get any Type of work at the quarterback position is if, you know, the starter is just, you know, in year 15, year 18, and they're kind of like designed days off. Other than that, the starter takes all the reps. That's just how it works in the NFL.

[Dan Patrick]

And. And watching Shador and granted, he gets far more attention than he should. His pocket awareness is not very good. His decision making is not very good. These are all things. This is, you know, why he was taken late in the draft. Now. Those are things that I feel like he can correct. But this isn't Colorado. You know, now you're in the NFL and you're going against the Ravens, and they're going after your head. I mean, they. They know you're going to throw, and you go 4 for 16, throw an interception. And I don't know what happens after this. I guess it depends on Dylan Gabriel, but it feels like Dylan Gabriel got that starting job, Tim, because he was quicker at the line of scrimmage. He did get the ball out. I don't know if he's better, but I think he's better at the things that at least can help you keep a drive alive.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

It's typically obvious in terms of the quarterbacks that are on a roster of who's most ready to play. It's typically very obvious. You know, a lot of times, you know, people will talk about, well, hey, the coach made the decision to go with this guy or that guy. Usually what happens is, you know, if there's any type of parity in terms of the amount of reps guys get, it's very clear who's operating the situation better, you know, than the next guy. It's just. It's obvious. You know, there are very few times that it's like, I'm not really sure. It seems to be pretty even. And so that's why, like, when you look at how things panned out at the beginning part of the year in Cleveland, I think it was pretty obvious to them, like, that, you know, Flacco was at the time the most prepared to do it. And if Gabriel was the next guy up through the process, like, it was most likely very obvious to everyone there that was making decisions that he was the most prepared to operate it. And, Dan, like, sometimes it can be as simple as, can you actually spit the play out in the huddle correctly? Can you actually get to the line of scrimmage? And when someone lines up incorrectly, can you get them lined up on the right side of the field? And when you get a front or a Look, that doesn't work with the run or the protection you have called. Can you make adjustment, you know, by making the call. And if you can't do those things, oftentimes, you know, if a guy is ready to play or not before he ever even snaps the ball in practice, it's just a matter of can you at least get us to the point where you're giving us a chance before your ability to make a throw or make somebody miss ever comes into play?

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Tim Hasselbeck, ESPN NFL college football analyst, former NFL quarterback Give me the best pro prospect in college football at quarterback this year. Oh, gosh, now the pressure's on.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

You know, you're, you're, you're hitting me. Oh, man, you're hitting me way too early because I don't want to do this. Like Dan and I, this is going to be a cop out. Maybe you'll never invite me back again, but I don't like doing. That's what saying something without having really watched.

[Dan Patrick]

That's fine, that's fine. I'm fine with it.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Why I say that. Here's why I say that. So I've been at ESPN for, you know, I think this is year 18. And, you know, I've always taken the approach, look, I was not a star player. And so I've always felt like I've had to take my job as an analyst, you know, and approach it the way I did as basically somebody that was always clinging to a roster spot. And early on in my career in tv, I paid too much attention to what other people were saying about guys. And I was, and I was wrong. You know what I mean? Because I let it influence me. And I was like, listen, if I'm going to get fired as a host, as an analyst because I stink at kind of projecting who I think will be a good quarterback, it's at least going to be because of my work and my opinion on it. And so, you know, so I say that, to say that, like it's too early for me to do that. I will happily, if you'll invite me on for ducking your question now, come back and give you a well thought out opinion on who I like in this year's draft.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, so you like Fernando Mendoza. Okay.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Hey, listen, listen. What I do always like is time on task, guy who has played the position like reps. I don't like guys that have 17 starts. I don't like guys that have, you know, 275 attempts. I like guys that have time on task and because I don't think that if they, if they don't have it, then you are guessing. Like anybody who said they knew Trey Lance was going to be a good prospect, they were guessing. There wasn't enough evidence he hadn't played enough football since leaving high school.

[Dan Patrick]

Trubisky same way, like, I gotta have at least 30. A friend of mine who's a scout said I gotta have at least 30 starts. And he said, you know, I'm not going to get Bo Nix and Jane Daniels who have 60 starts, but if I can get anything over 30 now, I have the sample size that I can rely on. You agree with that?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Yeah. Listen, parcels commandments are not far off from being, you know, pretty. Pretty spot on. Right. I mean, it just like his, I think are 45. I think that's what, you know, or 40 or something like that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. So. Yeah.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

So your friend, that's a scout that's saying, listen, man, like, you give me at least 30 starts and a little of adversity to fight through before I could figure out at all if you're ready to handle this at the highest.

[Dan Patrick]

Level and you bring up adversity and I bring this up all the time. But I've got, you know, 40 years of watching this. Show me the quarterback after he throws a pick six. Show me the quarterback after he gets sacked. That's when I want to see. Because that'll tell me more than you know, you lead the team down and throw touchdown pass. I. You're going to have adversity in college. You may not have that much. Julian saying is completing 80% of his passes. He's not going to complete 80% in the NFL or 70 and maybe not 60.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

But then I.

[Dan Patrick]

Right.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

I think it's an amazing point. And one of the other things, as you reference college guys now in the past for sure, guys had to go earn it at the college level like you. You might be at a place where there's other quarterbacks on the roster. No one's making more money than the next guy and you had to compete and earn the job and had to fight to stay on the field. Now in college football, there are guys that are playing just because they're getting paid. So that idea of having to play through adversity, improve it all the time like that, I think is being stripped a little bit from the college game and in terms of responding to the adversity, responding to it and kind of micro moments in terms of in a game when it happens, but also even bigger when the Struggle is real and it's weeks at a time and you're being blamed for things that aren't your fault. Like all of those things I think are. Are things that, that tell you way more about a quarterback in the longevity of him being able to sustain success at the position.

[Dan Patrick]

If the Chiefs make the playoffs, yeah. Is there a team that you would take over the Chiefs, who probably won't? They're not going to have home field advantage. But is there a team that you would take over them in the afc?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Yeah, I think there are a bunch of teams that on their home stadium would be able to beat Kansas City. I think. I think a bunch is probably extreme. Look, if I think Buffalo would be able to do it, I think Denver, as we just saw, would be able to have a good plan and be able to hang in there and do it. And so, you know, would the Colts be able to do it? I think some certain things would have to go their way. Look, everyone's going to be a little bit afraid of Kansas City if they make it into the tournament and, and are showing up, you know, in their building. Sure. But that path is different. You know that Kansas City's defense is very good, but they're better at Arrowhead than they're going to be on the road in the postseason. Like that will be a factor. And also this playing another week, you know, they're used to having, you know, a first round by playing another week is a thing. So, yeah, I really think that Kansas City, you look at their schedule, can they find four more wins? Yeah, I think they can. They get some nine wins, maybe they get a tenth. Like I think they're going to be in the postseason. They'll scare people, but for sure beatable.

[Dan Patrick]

What is it about Mahomes? If you, if somebody didn't see him and you were going to explain his greatness, how would you do that?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

I think the things that the guys at the very, very highest level are doing, and Mahomes is definitely in this mix, is they can play perfectly in the structure of an offense. Meaning like the guys that have to play right on time, ball comes out quickly, see it, hey, you have a blitz, they adjust the protection, get it picked up, or they throw the hot. They see the side adjustment, all that stuff. But then he's got the ability to outside the design of the play, do things where you go like that literally goes against everything you would ever coach somebody to do because it's like. Because guys physically don't have the ability to do it. And that Type of thing. And then I also think that he has, I don't know, maybe the best way to say it is a competitive awareness in critical situations, like got to have it situations to kind of raise his ability to be better than most in that environment. Like, why does he run better in the playoffs? In critical moments, like, why does that happen? It's like, well, you know what? Because he just gets it, man. Like it is on the line at that moment. And I think, look, I think Josh Allen does that. Like, but, but Mahomes for sure does that.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll leave you with this. I'm. I'm watching Jalen hurts. I don't think he's a good passer, right. But I think he's a great quarterback. Does that make sense? Like, I've seen him at his highest level go toe to toe with Mahomes. It's just I. He's not one of those regular season guys where you're going to go, boy, look at those numbers. And even last night it's, it's not really threatening. So how do they make him a better passer?

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Yeah, here's what I'd say about last night. I do think, you know, this is another one of those where it's like, can be an incomplete evaluation. I thought golf looked like pretty bad last night. I think the conditions there, you know, which don't always appear on television maybe were a little rough. So I think there's an element of that. But to your point, I think he had under 100 yards passing through three quarters. So, you know, how do you make him a better pass? I think you really try to hone in on the things that he does extremely well, which, you know, I think there are certain kind of, you know, concept combinations that they've been really successful with in the past, pairing certain runs with the pass where it defines the look easily, you know, for him. But I think it's, I think it's really diving into that stuff. The other thing that I think has happened and it's a little bit of a double edged sword. I think running a quarterback and expecting him to be really accurate is asking guys to do something that's nearly impossible. Right? It's the foul shooter who like is good when he's super tired, right. When he's not for quarterbacks at the same time with I think the type of football player he is. So yes he's a quarterback, but I think also the type of football player he is, I think he's a little bit better when he runs. I just think that the threat of him as a runner I think clears things up as a passer and they just haven't been running him, which I don't think is a bad plan in the regular season, but I do think they need to run him in the postseason.

[Dan Patrick]

Congratulations on your victory lap, Tim.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

Well, I just want to say thank you because you're the only one that's ever offered something like that to me, so I appreciate that very much. That doesn't happen.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Tim.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

All right, thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

Tim Hasselbeck, ESPN NFL College Football Analyst all right, we'll take a break. Seaton's going to join us from Vegas, and we'll get to more of your phone calls as well. We're back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Covino]

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[Tim Hasselbeck]

Yeah.

[Covino]

Got to. Got to Vegas last night in one piece and ready to go.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, the big German inspected the Mako van. He knocked you out?

[Covino]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Covino]

Okay, well, the big German likes to make things sound worse than they are, so. What did he say?

[Dan Patrick]

Is the van a convertible? Now, the van is not even close to a convertible. What the heck is he talking about, dad?

[Covino]

He always does this.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, you said it was a scratch. The big German said, let's go look at it. He went out and realized that you were trying to go into a parking garage and you scraped the roof.

[Covino]

I told him that. I told him exactly how it happened. I said, yeah. When he first saw it, he was like, I thought you messed it up. Was that just a bit? I was like, no, it's just all up top and like, oh, well, you can't even see it, so don't worry about it. Exactly, Exactly. You can't even see it. Don't worry about it.

[Dan Patrick]

But did you go into a parking garage misjudging the height, and then you got in and then had to get back out?

[Covino]

I would prefer to not look at the. Actually, you know what? I have a live look of exactly how the top of the Mako van looks right now. It looks similar to this thing. This is essentially what we're driving right now.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Nice airflow there. Nice.

[Covino]

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[Dan Patrick]

So easy. A Radio Flyer wagon. That. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dang. Yeah. Look at this. Oh, yeah. That thing is tricked out as the kids. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Covino]

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[Dan Patrick]

I like that. I like that. All right, so you're at a Mako place. Do you want to have the Mako people look at the roof?

[Covino]

I mean, I think it makes sense. I think. It's not something I'm just gonna buff out myself, I can tell you that.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, you know, sorry you got narc by the big German, but now I expected nothing less. All right, well, we'll see you then in a couple of days. All right.

[Covino]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you going to go to a Hockey game.

[Covino]

I think that's the plan. I think we're talking about a little hockey tomorrow night. That'll be two in one week. Look at the hockey guy. Who's a hockey guy.

[Dan Patrick]

You're the soccer guy and the hockey guy. Let's go. And not necessarily a great driver.

[Covino]

Yeah, accurate.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, we'll. We'll talk to you in a couple days.

[Covino]

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[Dan Patrick]

I'll see you, man. That's Cedo counter on the road with the Mako van. So it's somewhere in between that. It's not that bad, but it could have been bad. According to the big German. Mako wants to send you to super week. You can come out and see all the damage that Seaton did to the Mako van. DanPatrick.com got to be at least 18 or older. Couple of phone calls in here. David in Phoenix. David, thank you for holding. What's on your mind today? Good morning. I got two bests, a comment and.

[Tim Hasselbeck]

A question for Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

Waking up yesterday morning, my Penguins were playing the Nashville Predators in Sweden. I had no idea. But that was a bonus for live hockey early. And then of course, my Steelers winning was good. And my comment is Miles Garrett on one side of the defenses for the Browns. And then Joe Thomas, the offensive great tackle. I mean, they're just irrelevant in the long run because of the Browns. It's pretty unfortunate. Yeah, they're going to have, you know, first battle hall of Famers wanted defensive end and one at offensive tackle. Thank you, David. Yeah. Miles Garrett, hall of Famer Andrew and Grand Rapids. Hi, Andrew. Hey, Dan. How you guys doing today? Good. Good to hear. Had a best and worst over the weekend. Best was I found out I'm gonna be a new father for a first time father. So very excited about that. All right. Worst of the weekend was my poor Lions game. That call at the end, I know it didn't guarantee us a win or anything, but man, we. We would have had a shot. That was a rough pass interference call. I had one other comment. They kept talking. Jared Goff is over three on third, over four on fourth. He's doing terrible under the pressure. I felt like Dan Campbell was dialing up some really nice plays on second and long, third and long, fourth and short. We had guys getting open and drop passes, maybe running the wrong routes. I thought a lot of that was a little less on Jared Goff than it was our receiving corps, who is normally pretty handy and pretty sure handed. And then Dan Campbell, he got all the credit the previous game doing the play calling and then got to take the blame for the play calling last night. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you for the phone call. Update the poll results if you can, Dylan. Yes, then. So the, the last question was, if you're not a Raiders or Cowboys fan, why are you watching tonight's game? And I simplified it to just, I have money on the game. I'll take any football or other. And 61% will just take any football. Yeah. I mean, what else are you going to do? Spend time with the family? Deadliest Catch, Real Housewives, Basketball Wives? Yes. Marvin, did you watch the Eddie Murphy documentary yet? I have not. Okay. Not. I finished Only Murders in the Building. Oh. How was it? It's good. It's good. Oh, no, I mean, it's good. It. No, I'm. I'm just. It's. How about lower your voice. Okay. It's good. How's that? There you go. It's good. It's good. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. I got a couple other things that I'm the morning show with, of course, Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon watching that, too. All right, Final hour in this Monday right around the corner. This is an I Heart podcast.