The Dan Patrick Show (Hour 2)

Episode: Ja'Marr vs. Jalen, Tim Hasselbeck Talks Shedeur Sanders' Debut and Drake Maye's Stellar Season
Date: November 17, 2025
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Tim Hasselbeck (ESPN NFL & College Football Analyst)

Overview

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show focuses on:

• The fallout from the Ja’Marr Chase and Jalen Ramsey spitting incident
• Quarterback evaluation, especially Tim Hasselbeck’s early insights on Drake Maye and his thoughts on Shedeur Sanders’ NFL debut
• General discussion about the importance of watching whole games vs. highlights, the reality of backup QBs, and what makes Mahomes and Hurts special
• Mix of humor, panel banter, sports culture observations, and listener calls

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Ja’Marr Chase – Jalen Ramsey Spitting Incident

• Incident Recap: During a heated Bengals-Dolphins game, Ja’Marr Chase allegedly spit on Jalen Ramsey, leading to Ramsey punching Chase and getting ejected.
• Dan Patrick Reaction:
  • Cites video evidence confirming the spit (14:48).
  • Emphasizes the gravity: "there’s nothing that is going to be said that warrants that" (15:15).
  • Cites precedent: mentions past NFL spitting incidents involving Bill Romanowski and Mean Joe Greene.
• Potential Consequences:
  • Dan argues the NFL should issue a real deterrent, possibly a multi-game suspension, due to the ripple effects—impacting the Bengals’ record, Burrow’s return, and coach’s job security (16:00).
  • Panel jokes about accidental spitting and reputations: "I have very active salivary glands" – Tim Hasselbeck (18:10).
  • Dan notes that Chase lacks a prior bad reputation; suggests more info needed: "I don’t think they’re going to do anything to Jamar Chase this morning" (18:17).

2. Quarterback Analysis & Tim Hasselbeck’s Victory Lap

• Dan’s Context:
  • Recalls Hasselbeck was the first to hype Drake Maye as the best QB prospect in his class (2 years prior) (24:43, 25:41).
  • Observes that most analysts’ statements are forgotten, but “I love remembering what people say... Tim deserves a victory lap.”
• Tim Hasselbeck on Drake Maye (25:41–27:50):
  • Attributes his assessment to seeing Maye’s physical tools and intangibles, plus observing him up close calling ACC games.
  • Explains that in-person interviews provide critical insight beyond film study: "Those [QB] interviews are as valuable...as seeing somebody throw live—probably more so."
• Philosophy on QB Evaluation:
  • Cautions against hot takes: “I hear when I’m wrong a lot...but I usually don’t get those [victory laps]” (26:31).
  • Points out the difficulty of fully evaluating QBs without deep, personal interviews.

Key Quote

“Anybody who does evaluation of college quarterbacks has an incomplete assessment of them unless they have the ability to do those quarterback interviews...those are as valuable in the evaluation process as seeing somebody throw live.”
— Tim Hasselbeck (26:31)

3. The Shedeur Sanders NFL Debut Debate

• Dan’s View: Cautions media against making excuses for Sanders, especially the "didn’t get first-team reps" rationale. Notes Shedeur’s lack of pocket awareness and slow release as reasons for not starting (27:50, 30:01).
• Tim Hasselbeck on Backup QB Reality (28:23–30:01):
  • “Yeah, never.” (on backups getting first-team reps)
  • Explains that back-up QBs rarely, if ever, get first-team reps unless the starter gets a rest day. The expectation is to play like a starter without those reps.
  • Decision who starts in NFL games is typically obvious: “It's obvious who is most ready...There are very few times that it's like, I'm not really sure.”
• Evaluation Standards:
  • It's not about potential big plays, but “can you at least get us to the point where you’re giving us a chance before your ability to make a throw...ever comes into play?” (31:47)

Key Quote

"When you’re thrown in there, everyone wants you to play like a starter...when you don’t, no one says, ‘oh, well, you know, little Timmy didn’t get the reps.’ It just doesn’t work that way."
— Tim Hasselbeck (28:23)

4. QB Prospects & The Importance of Reps

• Tim hesitates to name 2025’s best college QB prospect without more study: “Maybe you’ll never invite me back again, but I don’t like doing—that’s what saying something without having really watched” (33:00).
• Emphasizes need for sample size (starts/throws) when grading QBs—30+ starts is ideal.
• Dan and Tim reference Bill Parcells’ “commandments” on QB evaluation (35:09).
• Resilience in adversity is critical: "Show me the quarterback after he throws a pick six...that's when I want to see." (35:36)

Notable Quotes

• “If they don’t have experience, you are guessing. Anybody who said they knew Trey Lance was going to be a good prospect—they were guessing.” — Tim Hasselbeck (34:15)
• “You bring up adversity and I bring this up all the time...Show me the quarterback after he throws a pick six.” — Dan Patrick (35:36)

5. NFL/College Landscape & Quarterback Play

• Tim discusses the difference between being a great quarterback vs. great passer, using Jalen Hurts as the example:
  • Hurts is “not a great passer, but a great quarterback” because of leadership/intangibles (39:58).
  • Also notes importance of creating tailored playbooks for QBs—maximize what they do well, mix in running, especially when needed in the postseason (40:24).
• Tim credits Mahomes’ "competitive awareness" and elite ability “both inside and outside the structure of the offense” (38:48).
  • “In must-have situations, he raises his game. Why does he run better in the playoffs? ... it’s because he just gets it.” (38:48–39:58)
• AFC outlook: "Kansas City...will scare people, but for sure beatable this year on the road. Their defense is better at Arrowhead than on the road in the postseason." (37:32)

6. Humor, Banter & Miscellaneous

• Several light-hearted moments about car troubles on "the Mako van" and Seton O’Connor’s misadventures (11:31, 46:11+).
• Panel pokes fun at each other—especially about football as a TV “nightlight” even during less-interesting games (13:59), and about "active salivary glands" (18:10).
• Listener calls on winning weekends, Browns underachievement, and Lions’ controversial loss (50:07).

Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On QB evaluation:

  • "Those [QB] interviews are as valuable in the evaluation process as seeing somebody throw live—probably more beneficial."
    — Tim Hasselbeck (26:31)

• On backup QBs:

  • “When you’re thrown in there, everyone wants you to play like a starter. And when you don’t... it doesn’t work that way.”
    — Tim Hasselbeck (28:23)

• On spitting incident:

  • "There’s nothing that is going to be said that warrants that."
    — Dan Patrick (15:15)

• On Mahomes’ greatness:

  • “He can play perfectly in the structure of an offense...and outside the design of the play, do things where you go like, that literally goes against everything you would ever coach.”
    — Tim Hasselbeck (38:48)

• On adversity:

  • “Show me the quarterback after he throws a pick six...That’ll tell me more than you know, you lead the team down and throw a touchdown pass.”
    — Dan Patrick (35:36)

• On Jalen Hurts:

  • "I don’t think he’s a good passer, but I think he's a great quarterback."
    — Dan Patrick (39:58)

Important Timestamps

• 24:43: Dan introduces Tim Hasselbeck, asks about early Drake Maye evaluation
• 25:41–27:50: Tim details his approach to evaluating Maye and other quarterbacks
• 28:23–30:01: Backup QB realities, Shedeur Sanders conversation
• 30:52–32:29: Dan and Tim on what coaches look for in a QB, readiness
• 32:41–34:15: Tim on evaluating this year’s prospects, Notre Dame’s Parcells commandments, importance of "time on task"
• 35:09–36:11: Sample size needed, resilience, adversity
• 37:17–38:38: Chiefs’ playoff outlook, Mahomes analysis
• 39:58–41:58: Hurts’ strengths/weaknesses, how coaching can help
• 14:48–18:17: Ja’Marr Chase–Jalen Ramsey spitting incident review and its fallout
• 11:31, 46:11: Seton and the Mako van, running show gags

Flow & Tone

• Dan balances sharp, critical sports analysis with humor and laid-back banter.
• Tim Hasselbeck’s segments mix humility, detailed QB insight, and willingness to challenge standard narratives.
• Panel and listener sections add authenticity and sports-fan relatability.

For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This hour delivers unique insights into quarterback development and the importance of in-depth scouting (not just highlights), provides broader context for recent NFL controversies (like Chase-Ramsey), and maintains the show’s trademark blend of humor, panel chemistry, and deep sports culture knowledge.

Final Takeaway

Dan’s show is at its best when digging beneath headline moments—whether it’s a viral on-field spat or the prospects of a rookie quarterback—and letting expert guests like Tim Hasselbeck reveal what really separates the great from the hyped.