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Dan Patrick
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What a matchup we got y'.
Joe Thomas
All.
Jim Harbaugh
This is that classic HBCU vibe.
Joe Thomas
Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit.
Jim Harbaugh
Chance echo drum beatin everybody showing that school pride. Game like this, yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.
Joe Thomas
Yeah, that taste always hits the right note.
Jim Harbaugh
Just like the band at halftime.
Joe Thomas
And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and in.
Jim Harbaugh
Ice cold Coca Cola.
Joe Thomas
That's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work.
Jim Harbaugh
So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.
Dan Patrick
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Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, I mean that, that discussion's been going on for a long time with the, with the turf and they're very scientific about it. You know, my understanding, almost like, you know, stint meters in golf. But those numbers, to me, I mean it's like one a year. You know, that's kind of my recollection from, you know, from coaching all these years and playing as well is about one guy on the team will get an acl. And there was a day when that that ACL would be career ending. You know, think back to, you know, Gail Sayers and, and now, you know, it's advancements in, in safety and medical, you know, are really incredible and getting, getting better all the time.
Dan Patrick
But when you were at Michigan, all of your linemen had to wear braces. Knee braces.
Jim Harbaugh
Yes, that was, that was rule.
Dan Patrick
And how preventative is that? I know Jake Butts got hurt and Blake Corum, you know, got hurt as well. Those are contact. But did it. Is it that helpful in preventing ACLs?
Jim Harbaugh
I thought so. I. I really did. Dan.
Dan Patrick
The.
Jim Harbaugh
The running backs, tight ends didn't. Didn't wear them. But we had the defensive lineman wearing knee braces in, in practice and that would. I. It doesn't prevent. Prevent like a. But whatever injury it would have been, it makes it a lot less in. In my experience in the, in trainers and the medical experts.
Dan Patrick
What was different about the Chiefs this year as opposed to previous years?
Jim Harbaugh
Oh, there's, there's. It's just the most, the most historic, incredible, you know, job that that team has done year in, year out. Andy Reid, you know, the best. He is the best. Patrick Mahomes, incredible competitor. And that was just. I was talking to one of our assistant coaches yesterday and if we could just do half, if we could just do half of what they. They've been able to accomplish over the last seven years, you know, we. I do. I know I would do a cartwheel.
Dan Patrick
But what, what's the game plan of. Of Mahomes? He seems like he's running a lot more. He had been running a lot more than in previous years and had been their most dangerous runner. But as a defensive philosophy, what was it going into this game?
Jim Harbaugh
They had adversity in the offensive line, different combination, different, different, you know, really good players out. But they guys stepped in and they were. Chiefs are still operating at a, at a very high level. And I was, I mean, I was. For the competitor that Patrick is, I mean, that was just hope and praying that, that he would have dodged a bullet. And you know, unfortunately he didn't. But he's already, you know, getting ready for surgery and just, just know his mindset is going to be. It's going to be surgery and then. And then rehab. He's just. He just. He's. He just. He just wants to be doing and so that's really. We're trying to replicate that here in, in Los Angeles.
Dan Patrick
And what are you trying to force him out of the pocket? Because he loves to go, right, But I, you know, it's, it's easier said than done that we don't want to let him go outside the pocket.
Jim Harbaugh
Patrick Mahomes yeah. Oh, you try to contain him. You really do that. The, the discipline in the, in the rush lanes, you got to have, it's got to be coordinated with, with all five or four or six or seven rushers, you know, every single play. And he's still, and he still finds ways to, you know, to make the impossible possible. But it's Tuesday, it's, it's. Our feet are moving, we're up, we're going to keep it moving because we got Dallas this year, this week. And I really think they're the, they're the best offense we played in a while. Really good receivers, really good quarterback, very good up front and running game that we're going to try to figure out how to stop as well.
Dan Patrick
Talking Jim Harbaugh Chargers HEAD COACH do you coach any differently in December than you do in September?
Jim Harbaugh
That's a great question. You know, they all count the same. You know, they count the same, but yeah, it's different. It's almost, it's like the fourth quarter in a, in a game, you know, and then, you know, you get down to the, to the end and it's, you know, then it's, and it's like the two minute drill, you know, in the playoffs or, you know, trying to get into the playoffs. But everybody, everybody's fighting for their lives. Everybody's fighting, you know, really for their playoff destiny and that's, and the teams that aren't don't have a chance to be in the playoffs. They're fighting at the highest level, you know, for pride and for their team and for their, their organizations. It's, it's the competitive season. Tis the season for competition.
Dan Patrick
How much does it help playing the position as a head coach, helping Justin Herbert play the position?
Jim Harbaugh
I've been asked that a bunch of times and I don't have a great answer for that because he is just so much better at everything, every part of the game.
Dan Patrick
Is there anything you do better than or did better than Justin Herbert?
Jim Harbaugh
There's nothing. There's nothing. Nothing. And I don't want to demonstrate anything. I mean, it's just not gonna, it's not gonna look right. So I just, you know, really, really focus on number one, protecting him and, but it's Just a tremendous blessing to have him. Derwin James, Justin Herbert, Khalil Mack, the absolute best leaders I've ever been and playmakers. Leaders and playmakers that. That I've ever been associated with.
Dan Patrick
You said you were still processing the Sharon Moore situation. What are you processing? What are. What. What is going through your head or trying to understand?
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, it's really still. And still don't have my head wrapped around it. Dan. It's. A tragedy. And just praying for all concerned. I love my alma mater, love Michigan, and I love the Chargers, too. And I'd be doing a disservice if I wasn't putting all my focus on this game. This is the most important game for us.
Dan Patrick
When's the last time you talked to Sharon Moore?
Jim Harbaugh
Have it early. Early December. But I, I have texted him nothing.
Dan Patrick
Nothing since he was arrested.
Jim Harbaugh
Just text.
Dan Patrick
Oh, you have?
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
How are his spirits?
Jim Harbaugh
I think. I think there. It's a tragedy. It's a. One the worst days of his life. And, you know, keep it together and, And. And take care of your family. That's, you know, that's the message. And I. Getting spiritual guidance, you know, is really critical.
Dan Patrick
Are you helping Michigan at all find their head coach?
Jim Harbaugh
No, I'm not. All focus is on the Dallas Cowboys.
Dan Patrick
Well, congrats on the win and good luck against Dallas. And then you host Houston. Then you're at Denver. Who's the best team? You face. You talk about Dallas will be the best offense. Who's the best team?
Jim Harbaugh
We played, definitely, that we played in a while, you know. Right. The team that, you know, stands out. You know, the, the ones that, that, that got the best of us. But these last two games, Chiefs, Eagles, I mean, football at the highest level, you know, that's been. And I think it's made us keener and sharper and finer, too, to go through those two games. And we expect the same challenge this week.
Dan Patrick
You want to play in the snow?
Jim Harbaugh
I prefer the snow than 35 or 33 and rain. So as soon as the temperature goes below 30, I know it's not going to rain and prefer that.
Dan Patrick
But you look at the dog like, the Dolphins don't win games under 40 degrees. Like what. How does that. Like, there are guys that aren't from Miami, but, you know, they don't win in cold weather. Why is that?
Jim Harbaugh
That's. I. That's a. That's a mad camp. I am kind of an expert at growing up in the Midwest and in Michigan, Ohio, Chicago, playing in Chicago, you know, it's. It's really a function of. Like my dad used to tell us when we were kids. He'd say, you, you, you. You know, get out of the house, Dan. It's cold out there. Get your feet moving and keep them moving. You'd walk out and then the click of the door would click behind you.
Dan Patrick
Wait, they lock the door? Yeah.
Jim Harbaugh
You hear the click? Okay, we're out here. We better get our feet moving and keep them moving. But that's the secret. That's the answer. Your body becomes like a human hot tub because your heart is pumping warm, hot blood, especially when you're young. And that goes from the heart to the arteries to, to the capillaries to the, to the tissue. And it's the more muscle you got, that's, the more, that's the more insulation that you have. High school anatomy tells me it goes back, back to the lungs and reoxygenates and it just keeps, keeps falling like so you just, you just keep moving. And then when you're not playing, you go to the, go to the sideline, get by that, that heater in that warm bench.
Dan Patrick
Who had it better than you did in cold weather?
Jim Harbaugh
I mean, a lot of experience there. Nobody, Dan.
Dan Patrick
There you go. There you go.
Jim Harbaugh
I know the answer to that one.
Dan Patrick
I was worried, I was worried about you there. Thanks for joining us. Good luck against Dallas. Appreciate it, coach.
Jim Harbaugh
Thank you, Dan.
Dan Patrick
That's Jim Harbaugh, second year's Chargers head coach and coach of the year back in 2011 with the 49ers. Yeah. You grew up in, in the Midwest like that. That's just normal that you're playing, you know, even when you're growing up and you're playing in the backyard, you're playing in snow, or you'd have your turkey bowl, everybody's home for the holidays, and you'd be playing cold weather. And it's weird when you go to a cold weather state. You know, when I go to Maine, I always say to my kids, don't say it's cold. You know, it's cold, so don't say it. And so now they're conditioned to. I don't want to hear it. If you're coming up this time of the year, it's going to be cold. You might say, it's not as cold as I thought. You can be surprised when it's not cold. But I don't want to hear it's so cold. Why did you come up? All right, it's cold in Connecticut. Yeah, but it's really cold in Maine. Soft. Like I'm gonna close the door and lock the door and go out there. Get your feet, get those capillaries. Get. He went through the whole body, didn't he? My sternum was cold. The whole nervous system there. All right, we'll take a break. Joe Thomas will join us on loan from the hall of Fame. We'll get to your phone calls as well. Have a poll question for hour two as well. Take a break. Back after this Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Cavino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio. Now, in addition to hearing us live weekdays from 5 to 7pm Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, we're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for the show. Yup, that's right. You can now watch Covino ENRICH Live.
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Jim Harbaugh
What a matchup we got, y'.
Joe Thomas
All.
Jim Harbaugh
This is that classic HBCU vibe.
Joe Thomas
Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit.
Jim Harbaugh
Chance echo drum beat everybody showing that school pride game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime.
Joe Thomas
And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and in.
Jim Harbaugh
Ice cold Coca Cola.
Joe Thomas
That's a winning combo no matter the.
Jim Harbaugh
Sport, no matter the yard.
Joe Thomas
Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work.
Jim Harbaugh
So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.
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Okta secures AI. We'll talk to Joe Thomas, 10 time Pro Bowler hall of Famer. He'll join us. Coming up here in a moment. A couple of phone calls in here. Brian in Michigan. Hi Brian. What's on your mind today?
Jim Harbaugh
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Dan Patrick
Hey, I don't want.
Jim Harbaugh
To rehash everything going on in Michigan.
Dan Patrick
We all know what's going on.
Jim Harbaugh
I just wondered how much damage do you think it would do to the program if they just waited to hire a head coach, let Boji run it and finish the investigation and get a new president and go from there. What do you think about that?
Dan Patrick
I don't think it's a crazy opinion because there's a lot to navigate here and maybe if you're just going to leave an interim coach in there and then next year, you know, maybe it'll be a more attractive job post cleanup. Can you keep the players there? That would be the key. And then you're going to have a lot of other candidates because right now the coaching carousel isn't moving. And maybe you're going to have to target somebody who's in the playoffs right now, depending on how far they go in the playoffs. So do you wait until the playoffs are over or do you maybe wait until next season? We'll get some more phone calls. 8773 DP show he's Joe Thomas, hall of Famer joining us on the program. Good to see you again. We've been talking about the playing surfaces and the Fact that yesterday the NFL says, hey, we're going to conduct another study here on the playing surfaces. Why are we here where we can't have a universal playing field? You know, surfaces either Astroturf or regular turf. And why did it take maybe injuries to a couple of more key players before we all of a sudden have everybody's attention?
Joe Thomas
Well, it just comes back to the fact that the owners didn't want to all agree to spend the money to invest in the fields because you got teams like the Cincinnati Bengals, they don't want to even pay to get the snow removed from the seats of the fans. So they're saving every dime they possibly can. Whereas you have some teams that are willing to spend the money on player safety. I think it was the Baltimore Ravens a few years ago. They realized that, hey, turf fields, they're not good for players bodies. And the people that suffer the most are our own players because they play the most games in our home stadium. So let's make this the best surface we possibly can that's going to reduce the most injuries possible and keep that consistent and uniform. And so I think it's just a matter of those NFL owners haven't all been able to agree on what it takes to get that consistency. And the union really just doesn't have enough power to be able to force the hands of the owners.
Dan Patrick
Worst playing surface you ever played on?
Joe Thomas
Well, I hated playing in Cincinnati on their old turf because of how hard it was. I mean, just standing on that, I could feel it in my back and my knees. But I would say playing playing in Soldier Field like at the end of the year or playing in the old Heinz Field when they used to, I think they still maybe do play like the high school championships there. They play pit on Saturdays and the thing is just a mud pit by the end of the season. And so there is no consistency at all with your footing. But I'm not a fast guy as it is. So hey, I was happy that everyone was a little bit slower and we were all a little bit more at the same speed when we played in those really greasy, nasty tracks.
Dan Patrick
As a Hall of Fame lineman, how would you put into perspective what Miles Garrett is on the verge of doing, setting the all time sack record.
Joe Thomas
So until Miles, I don't ever remember watching an NFL defensive lineman from my college days all the way through the days that I was playing. And now as a fan where I said, I'm watching him, eh, I don't think that I can block him more than my fair share When I'm at my best. And that's what I say about Miles when I watch him. I. I played against him when he was a rookie, and I was in my last season, and I barely had a chance to try to block him and get a glove on him then, and he's like 30, 40% better than he was at that time. And so I watch him and I say, I don't know how I would have been able to block him one on one. And I think that's the mentality that a lot of offenses, basically every offense that he's gone against this season has said, because nobody's blocking him one on one. Even the best tackles in the game right now are not allowed to go against him one on one because he is so dominant. There's nobody in the game that can block him consistently throughout the course of an entire game.
Dan Patrick
How surprised were you that he kind of took back the trade request when the Browns were willing to make him the highest paid defensive player?
Joe Thomas
I was really surprised because I had talked to him throughout that, the course of the holdout where he said he's not coming back and it doesn't matter. He's all about trying to win championships. And, you know, I go on the radio a lot in Cleveland especially, and, you know, I want to make sure that if I'm saying something, you know, it aligns with what he's thinking and what, you know, he is trying to get done. Because I want to make sure that this is true, what I'm saying about him. And. And, you know, he was telling me that it doesn't matter what the money is. You know, he's frustrated, he's ready to leave, and unless something drastically changes from the vision that they have, he was not really ready to come back. And of course, they decided to make him the highest paid defensive player, which was surpassed by Micah Parsons later on.
Dan Patrick
But the vision didn't change. Joe, this is not a good team. He's not winning anything anytime soon, and maybe not in his career.
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, I agree.
Joe Thomas
So I'm trying to tell you that they must have said something in their little witch's brew that they had going on before they gave him that drink.
Dan Patrick
I think they just said, how does $40 million feel? We're not going to win anything. $40 million. All right, you know what? I don't need to win.
Joe Thomas
I. I think it was partly that, but I do think that they had convinced him of some vision that was more convincing than the fans have gotten of, hey, we're going to Win a championship, you're going to be part of it. And I think a lot of it probably honestly had to do with Jim Schwartz on defense as his defensive coordinator loves him and they do have a really good defense. Didn't play well last week against the Bears, but I think they kind of built up the fact that you could be part of this great historic defense. You could do amazing things like chase the sack record. And oh, by the way, we're going to invest in our offense. Maybe not year one, but we're going to get it right on offense with a quarterback adding some weapons on the outside. And then in year two, we're going to be competitive and have a chance with this great defense led by you. And oh, by the way, you can finish your career where you started, which is very rare in the NFL. And so I think all those things kind of put together made up maybe 40% and then, yeah, like you said, 60% was, hey, we'll pay a lot of money. And like, okay, that sounds good too.
Dan Patrick
Have you seen enough of Shador Sanders to offer a definitive opinion?
Joe Thomas
Not yet. We need to see him the rest of the season. We saw a really great game a few weeks ago where he had over 300 yards passing. He led their team on a long drive to finish the game to put them in position to make a two point conversion and tie the game going overtime. Of course they called a weird play and Shador wasn't on the field for that. But that's a different topic. But at least he did the things that you need to do to be a franchise quarterback in the NFL, which is you got to get the points and the yards that you need when you need it. And that's usually in the two minute drill in the fourth quarter. And he was showing steady improvement, but then last week there was regression and it's a little bit challenging because his offensive lines banged up, his receivers are playing hot potato and throwing the football to the defense. And so it's a little bit difficult to look at everything he's doing out there on Sundays without being in those meeting rooms and know what he's being asked to do and properly evaluate him. But with the amount of up and down that we've seen so far, you need to see him in these last three games to be able to declare him the franchise quarterback of the future.
Dan Patrick
Could you come out of retirement like Philip Riddle?
Joe Thomas
No way. I had my hip replaced in the spring. I'm sore enough after sleep. Well, you got, you got a new.
Dan Patrick
Hip over, you got a New hip.
Joe Thomas
Yeah, that's right. Hey, there we go.
Dan Patrick
I'm fixed.
Joe Thomas
Let's do the Bo Jackson. I'm ready. Fix the other one. Fix the knees in the back. Just turn me into a robot, a bionic man. Give me an AI brain and I'll be ready to go back out there. Sign me up today for maybe some future gains potentially.
Dan Patrick
But could you imagine trying to protect Philip Rivers? Let's say you're, you're playing at your all pro level and you got a 44 year old quarterback adding to even more pressure and you're playing against Seattle. Are you, are you going to hold on to your defensive lineman a little bit longer than normal?
Joe Thomas
There's definitely going to be some decisions in their minds about, okay, I got beat. Should I just let him go and not get a penalty or should I save this man's life who's the same age as my dad and just go and tackle him around the knees and not allow anybody to touch my quarterback? Because yeah, there's a lot of pressure. You know, there's a lot of pressure when you got a quarterback that can move a little bit and that's young and that can withstand some hits. But I'm not sure that Philip Rivers is there anymore.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but he's out there. He's out there.
Joe Thomas
I don't give it his best. I give him credit. I mean, okay, how did we get.
Dan Patrick
To this point, Joe, that our best option is a 44 year old guy who hasn't played in five years and never had a strong arm and, and certainly doesn't have that now?
Joe Thomas
He did a pretty good job last weekend. I'm not sure how long he's going to be able to do it. I mean, hey, he gave his team a chance to win, he did.
Dan Patrick
But the defense, the defense gave them a chance to win. They played really good defense. Philip had a touchdown. Look, I know it's a great story, but I gotta, I gotta call it as I see it. His arm is so weak and I'm just amazed. Like some of those passes, they're bad, really, they just float.
Joe Thomas
I mean they were floating when I was playing 30 years old. So you can only imagine it's probably not going the other direction. So I give them credit. But it does say something about the development of that quarterback room in Indianapolis, that they didn't trust any of those guys. They'd rather have Philip come off the couch at 44 with the noodle arm and say, hey, here you go, prop him up there, hopefully give us at least A few passes, throwing an interception, and we might win the game.
Dan Patrick
How would you feel if you're against Miles Garrett and he needs one more sack to break the record? Fourth quarter and you're blocking him.
Joe Thomas
So I'm assuming that we're winning because we're playing against the Browns, unfortunately.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, you're going to win the game, but you're going against Miles Garrett. He needs one sack to break the record, and it's fourth quarter and you're.
Joe Thomas
I wouldn't give it to him, but what I would say to my quarterback is, hey, hold on to the ball as long as you need to throw the ball into the end zone. If we get a touchdown, great. But if Miles sacks you, that's okay, too, because I always cheer for players. I don't always cheer now for teams, obviously the Browns, but I love Miles. I think he's doing it the right way on the field. He's given incredible effort playing the game the right way. He's a great team player. He says the right things off the field. And so for him to be able to hold that sack record, I think would be special. And to be honest, I was a Packer fan, and when Brett Favre rolled out and laid down on the turf to give Michael Strahan that record, I felt like it was a little bit tarnished. And I would love to see Miles with that sack record where everybody says, without a doubt, this is the deserving sack champion of all time in the NFL.
Dan Patrick
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Joe Thomas
That's right. I'm not shoving hall of Fame beef sticks in your. In your mouth this time like it was last time when we were there in Green Bay. But it's really cool. I'm super excited that uno, which is one of my favorite family games, has put together this UNO Elite playoff tournament being held right now all over the country on hobby shops. And anybody can sign up. It's free to enter. And if you register, you get a chance to win an amazing thing that uno's given away. Three days, two nights trip to Las Vegas for their UNO Elite championship, the winner is going to walk away with ten grand. But most importantly, the most coveted trophy of all time. If you're a child in America or if you're a parent of a kid and that's the UNO Elite trophy, you're walking around with that peacock. And a lot better than if you had a Hall of Fame bus like I have behind Me. That is really the Taj Mahal of trophies. If you're a dad or if you're.
Dan Patrick
A kid, fans can sign up at UNO Elite championship. Great to talk to you again. Happy holidays to you, Joe.
Joe Thomas
Happy holidays, Dan. Thanks for having me on the show again. Great to see you.
Dan Patrick
Great to see you. I don't think. How many. How many sacks did he give up? I don't. Was he called for like three holding call penalties in his career? Like, the numbers are pretty crazy. Something crazy? Yes. Like where you go. What? Yeah. Yes. Marvin.
Jim Harbaugh
He's prime. Hey, they didn't lose because of me.
Dan Patrick
Yes, they had a. Yeah. If you're pointing fingers is the reason why the Browns lost, you didn't point it at Joe Thomas. Yeah. Paulie, there's a couple different reports.
Jim Harbaugh
One's from the Cleveland Browns team website. They said that Joe Thomas allowed 30 sacks in 6,700 pass block snaps.
Dan Patrick
How many times was he called for holding? See if you can find that.
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
Jennifer in Washington. Hi, Jennifer. What's on your mind today? Hi, Dan. Morning, guys. Morning. And a fluffy 180 over here.
Jim Harbaugh
Thanks.
Dan Patrick
I have a question for you, Dan, but real quick. I did want to. Happy birthday to my best friend Nicholas. He turned me on to your show, but.
Jim Harbaugh
So, Dan, I think you had predicted.
Dan Patrick
Chief Lions for the Super Bowl. Yes.
Jim Harbaugh
Who are your new picks now?
Dan Patrick
I'm going to stick with the Chiefs and the Lions, you know. Yes. Yeah, go ahead. Start to finish on that. I can't be a quitter now. I think the Rams are probably the best team that I've seen. When everybody's playing at a high level, it feels like the Rams. I keep waiting for the Eagles to play better. I just. It feels like they're going to have one of those games. And the Rams almost knocked them off last year. So I, I would say the Rams and I. Man, I'm impressed with Denver. They're playing at home with that defense and Bo Nicks and he's played well, you know, because earlier in the year it. It felt like, oh, he's regressing. And then all of a sudden you see him now and then you see what he was building on in that first year. I would say Denver, but Buffalo has a weird feel to them. They just do. Yeah. Marvin, do you think the Broncos are playing with house money?
Joe Thomas
Like, you know, what if we get.
Jim Harbaugh
To the AFC Championship game and we lose?
Joe Thomas
You know what?
Jim Harbaugh
Great season. No one expected us to get this far. You think they're playing almost like the.
Dan Patrick
No Commanders last Year. I. I don't think you can say that to Sean Payton. Like, you know, he. He's here to win another super bowl now, that puts him into a different category. Like, a lot of times we look at a coach who wins the Super Bowl. You know, when they win another super bowl, just like quarterbacks, it puts them in a different category. Yeah, Marvin.
Jim Harbaugh
Oh, no, I'm with you, but I feel the same way about the Buffalo Bills.
Dan Patrick
I said that yesterday.
Jim Harbaugh
And you guys are like, oh, if.
Joe Thomas
They lose to the Broncos.
Jim Harbaugh
Buffalo. The fans don't want to hear that.
Dan Patrick
Oh, no, they're. Buffalo's not playing with house money.
Jim Harbaugh
Oh, no, no. They're under pressure.
Dan Patrick
But I'm saying the Broncos might be.
Jim Harbaugh
Because we didn't expect them to get this far or be this good this fast.
Dan Patrick
Well, they were a playoff team last year. I think New England is different because we might look at them and go, is this really their year? Because it all kind of fell into place, and Drake Mays played really well. I think they've surprised me far more than Denver has. Denver's defense is incredible. It is. Yeah. Pulling.
Jim Harbaugh
But if I'm the Patriots head coach or the. The Broncos head coach, I say, look at Joe Burrow and the Bengals four years ago. Oh, they'll be back. Yeah, we'll have lots of chances. Joe Burrow, he's going right back. Him and Jamar Chase right back.
Dan Patrick
I know. I hate when people say that. I hate when they go, oh, Drake May, it's not his turn to win an mvp. You know, he'll get his opportunity. You never know. And I hate, because we've seen what happens so quickly, whether a team elevates or a team just falls apart. I mean, the Bengals aren't close to being a Super bowl caliber team even when everybody's healthy. David in Ohio. Hi, David. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan. Speaking of all these ACL injuries, I.
Jim Harbaugh
Sources confirmed that Patrick Mahomes had a.
Dan Patrick
Successful ACL surgery in Dallas, Texas. It's really great that something successful has come out of Dallas. Okay. All right, David. All right. Not bad. Thought there was a big wind up there. It's always successful surgery. Always. I had shoulder surgery. I didn't think it was successful. You know, just saying, sometimes it's not successful. This was years ago where I had a torn. Torn labrum, and it's still not great. And, you know, I. I just don't want the doctor to say, yes, it was successful surgery. Yes. Paulie, could you go back and say.
Jim Harbaugh
Hey, it didn't work. I'd like.
Dan Patrick
No, I don't want to go back. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No more surgeries, no more surgery.
Jim Harbaugh
You're quitting.
Dan Patrick
I am quitting. I told my wife I don't care what happens. No more surgery.
Jim Harbaugh
You're living with it.
Dan Patrick
I can't. Arm falls off, it stays off. I can't do it anymore. I'm a game of operation.
Jim Harbaugh
Yes, Todd, can these teams legally say it's successful surgery? Cuz that's just a phrase that everybody uses. Like, what do they say about TJ Watt situation, which may or may not have been caused by one of the doctors. Yeah, we. We took care of his lung.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but that was a procedure. He was going for treatment and then had the collapsed lung. So he didn't go in for a collapsed lung. He had to be treated for a collapsed lung. And I still not sure what happened in a situation like that that's been quiet.
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, they know what happened.
Dan Patrick
Unless you're getting an injection and then that brought about a collapsed lung. Isn't that what happened to Tyron Taylor?
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah. Pain injection. Before the game, it's always the patient's fault. He had a bad reaction. We did what we did to all the people. I don't know what he did.
Dan Patrick
He moved.
Jim Harbaugh
Stay still.
Dan Patrick
It's his fault. Yeah. Paul, a bunch of years ago, I.
Jim Harbaugh
Had a thing called pleurisy and they had to drain my lung with this.
Dan Patrick
Big syringe type thing.
Jim Harbaugh
And they said, don't move. Like, don't move. They held you almost like in a vice to put it in.
Dan Patrick
Why they think you were going to move to begin with? Well, they.
Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, I don't move a lot generally.
Dan Patrick
In life, but like I was in.
Jim Harbaugh
This little chair and they're doing it and they're draining it and they're like, do not shake. And I'm like, well, I'll try, but if it's painful, there's, you know.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but you try not to. You're not moving. I don't think anybody sits down and go, hey, we're going to inject you. Don't move. Okay.
Jim Harbaugh
Like you left your car running.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I was like, oh, you know what? Let me get up for a moment. Oh, I got this cramp in my leg. Let me get up. Yes, Todd.
Jim Harbaugh
I also like when you go to get your blood drawn and if they.
Dan Patrick
Screw it up the first or sometimes.
Jim Harbaugh
Multiple times, they blame your veins as.
Joe Thomas
Opposed to them screwing it up. And they have to do it a.
Dan Patrick
Second or third Time they got to stick you. Yeah, that's tough because I'm not good with needles to begin with. By the way, I think Nick Wright's wife accused me of having maybe Botox. When we went to dinner, she showed up. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim Harbaugh
To your face.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, to your. Yeah.
Jim Harbaugh
Face.
Dan Patrick
To my. Yeah. What used to be my face. My new face. But I think that she wanted to know if I'd had Botox. And I said no, but I'm going to deny it publicly. I haven't had any cosmetic surgery. This is the second person who's asked me. You know, Bets are just gonna have.
Jim Harbaugh
To admit it if they keep asking you.
Dan Patrick
I would have admitted it to her.
Jim Harbaugh
You know, you didn't.
Dan Patrick
I. She was like, you haven't had anything done up here, but, you know, by your forehead or. I said no.
Jim Harbaugh
No.
Dan Patrick
Yes.
Jim Harbaugh
Marvin, take that as a huge compliment.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, for sure. Twice. Yeah.
Jim Harbaugh
All right.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm not saying I shouldn't have cosmetic surgery. I.
Jim Harbaugh
What?
Dan Patrick
Todd, years ago, I was.
Joe Thomas
When I was at the gym, back in the good old days, I was.
Jim Harbaugh
Accused by a few people, like, you know, you're taking steroids now.
Dan Patrick
They're like, oh, didn't you used to work out?
Jim Harbaugh
A long time ago.
Joe Thomas
What happened to you?
Dan Patrick
Now's when you take this dramatically.
Jim Harbaugh
It's like you used to work out a lot.
Dan Patrick
I would say your arms are huge. They are huge. Yeah, but what does that get you.
Joe Thomas
If your waist is, you know.
Dan Patrick
Well, that's you. That's. That's up to you.
Jim Harbaugh
I'm sure he's going to change his habits now.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Jim Harbaugh
It's a lot easier to stand in front of the mirror, you know, lifting the weights.
Dan Patrick
But your arms, you got huge arms. Huge. You got offensive lineman arms.
Jim Harbaugh
I'm a pushover, though. I have no, like, core or center of gravity. You could just blow me over with a feather.
Dan Patrick
But your midsection is like big dom of the eagles. I think there.
Jim Harbaugh
That's a fair analogy.
Dan Patrick
Okay, let's take a break here. Back after this Dan Patrick show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live.
Jim Harbaugh
What a matchup we got, y'.
Dan Patrick
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Jim Harbaugh
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Joe Thomas
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Jim Harbaugh
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Joe Thomas
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Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, that taste always hits the right.
Joe Thomas
Note, just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it.
Jim Harbaugh
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Joe Thomas
That's a winning combo, no matter the.
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Joe Thomas
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Jim Harbaugh
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Jim Harbaugh
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Dan Patrick
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Jim Harbaugh
Offs if you look at our roster, which makes it really special, you know, Kenny Gainwell signed a next to nothing contract, you know, Connor Hayward an afterthought, had a touchdown run.
Dan Patrick
You know, Marquez been on a couple teams.
Jim Harbaugh
Adam Thielen got cut. Samuel was on the street for a long time. So it says a lot about the character of the guys we brought in.
Dan Patrick
It is patchwork now. Fritz, he said, do you think Aaron Rodgers is saying that? As if to say, hey, look at what I'm doing with all these cast offs here. And I thought, no, I don't think so.
Jim Harbaugh
A little bit of arrogance. That was like, look, we're about to.
Dan Patrick
Win the division, Aaron. Okay, so you gotta taught me again. Thank you. That's a little of that. Yeah. See, I thought it was more like, like he too is a cast off. They're all sort of on this island of misfit toys, you know, and they sort of all pieced together. I felt like he was including himself in that. Okay, all right. But he didn't say I'm a cast off too. No, he didn't. Yeah, maybe, but he just said if you look at this roster, it's a lot of cast. If he had included himself in there. I took that as the subtext. Like me and these guys giving Aaron the benefit of the doubt. A little bit of a cast off himself. He is a subtext, yes. He's a walking, breathing subtext. Yes. Paul.
Jim Harbaugh
All of Aaron Rodgers throwing numbers are up this year, 63% to 67 this year. His touchdowns are up, his interceptions will be a little lower than last year. His quarterback rating right now is 99. Last year is 90.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I mean these are all serviceable numbers here. I just don't think it's a great team. Yes, Todd.
Jim Harbaugh
Only someone with my ability, experience could take this group of downtrodden folks that.
Joe Thomas
No one else wants to get them.
Jim Harbaugh
To possibly division title.
Dan Patrick
Thank you. Todd Martin in Atlanta. Hi, Martin. Hey, Dan. I just want to say thanks again. Happy holidays to the fellas. I heard a great comment from Brady Quint the other day about the field turf issue. And he was saying that both turf and grass could be high quality fields. But it's when you play on the other one and make the change that causes the problems because you have different traction and you need different grips and you plant differently. And that's where a lot of these injuries come from. Not the turf itself is the Playing between two different types of turfs. Well, but you have the non contact injury. That's the tricky part with this. Now that could be the surface. If you slide, it could be the shoes that you wear. But the NFL is getting around to commissioning a study for this. And once again, as Joe Thomas said, the owners, it comes down to they just don't want to spend the money. But I would think if I'm going to have an all purpose turf, if I'm going to have concerts in there, I want to get something that is going to be durable, that will hold up. But you would think somebody would be able to come up with a surface that would be efficient for everybody, cost efficient for everybody. I mean, the last thing you want is, oh, you know what, I didn't spend that extra money. I just lost my $47 million, you know. Quarterback. Yeah, Paul.
Jim Harbaugh
I'm looking at the, the description of.
Dan Patrick
Field turf which most places use and.
Jim Harbaugh
They use crumbled up rubber which gives a little more give, like slide so your feet don't catch as often. That's the goal of field turf and the rubber, to let the foot slide a little bit.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, because you can see it come up. You can, if you've ever been on the turf, you can actually see it when people run or cut. You can see little pieces of rubber come up. Final hour. Mike Golick senior will join us. Arch Manning is coming back, no surprise. More phone calls coming up. 877-3-DP-SHOP email address dp@danpatrick.com Two hours in the books on this Tuesday. One more to go with Fritzi, Satan, Marv, Polly, yours truly in the BRGs.
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What a matchup we got, y'.
Dan Patrick
All.
Jim Harbaugh
This is that classic HBCU vibe.
Joe Thomas
Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit.
Jim Harbaugh
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Joe Thomas
That's a game changer right there. Yeah, that taste always hits the right note.
Jim Harbaugh
Just like the band at halftime.
Joe Thomas
And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an.
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Joe Thomas
That's a winning combo.
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Episode Theme & Overview
Date: December 16, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick
Guests: Jim Harbaugh (LA Chargers Head Coach), Joe Thomas (Hall of Fame Offensive Lineman)
This episode of The Dan Patrick Show dives into the state of football health (namely, the recent rash of ACL injuries), universal playing surfaces in the NFL, coaching challenges late in the season, the evolution of cold-weather football, and the dynamics of star players and team loyalty. Dan is joined by Los Angeles Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh and Hall of Famer Joe Thomas, with rich insights on both the past and present of the sport. This hour mixes expert analysis, heartfelt reflection, and signature Dan Patrick humor, making it accessible and engaging whether you’re an NFL insider or an everyday fan.
The hour is playful, welcoming, and candid, mixing sharp sports insights with friendly jibes and heartfelt reflections—very much in line with Dan Patrick’s relaxed, approachable media voice. Both Harbaugh and Thomas bring authenticity and humility, frequently crediting their teammates while downplaying their own achievements.
This episode offers a blend of substantive football talk (charting injuries, tactics, league policies) and heartfelt personality, with Harbaugh’s old-school charm and Joe Thomas's refreshing candor elevating the conversation beyond typical sports radio fare. The hour explores not just what’s happening on the field, but how changes in safety, coaching philosophy, and team culture shape the future of the NFL. Plus, you get plenty of laughs, whether it’s about locking kids outdoors in the Michigan winter or the indignities of midlife at the gym.
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For fans invested in NFL safety, coaching insights, or the nature of team building and leadership late in the season—not to mention those who love a dose of self-deprecating humor with their sports talk.