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Dan Patrick
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Stugotz
Guaranteed Human.
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Dan
I turned off news altogether. I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.
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Stugotz
It feels like it's trying to divide people.
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Paulie
We got clear facts.
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Dan
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Stugotz
Are you really buying a car online
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Dan
on autotrader right now?
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Stugotz
Really?
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Dan
At a playground?
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Stugotz
Yeah, really. Look at these listings from dealers.
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Dan
Wow, your search can really get that specific.
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Stugotz
Really?
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Dan
And you just put in your info and boom.
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Stugotz
Car's in your budget. Mom needs a second. Honey, you can really have it delivered. Really? Or I can pick it up at the dealership. One sec, sweetie. Mommy's buying a car.
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Dan
Mommy, look.
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Stugotz
I think you're right.
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Dan
Kid is walking up the slide. Kyle again?
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Stugotz
Really? Auto trader, buyer, car online? Really?
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Ryan Seacrest
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Dan
You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Tuesday. Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick show down a Danette Fritzi out today. Dylan's here. Marvin, Paul, yours truly in the back room, guys. We say good morning to all of our radio affiliates, including our newest one and Hilo Hawaii Fox Sports Radio 6 70am 98.5 FM and want to thank their general Manager Chris Leonard for the opportunity to entertain Everybody in Hilo, Hawaii877 3 DP Show Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP show the Big Parade coming up on Thursday in New York. This is one of those, if you're a New Yorker, you know where to go and not go. You got to be careful. School's out. But, you know, there's certain places where you're going to go, oh, the parade route. And I've been caught in that one time before where you think that you're going to be able to escape and you can't, and then you're kind of stuck. And if you're not moving for a couple hours. But it's a good problem to have if you're a New Yorker. With this celebration, I think estimates are close to 4 million people who might be showing up. It might be more than that. I didn't realize there were this many Knicks fans, but once again, I have a friend I've known for 27 years shows up, had playing golf, had a Knicks hat on Nick's shirt, and I go, I didn't know you were a Knicks fan. I never. Well, I never had any reason to, you know, tell you. I said, okay, yes, Marvin, they'll never be a bigger parade in the history of New York sports. Right.
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Dan Patrick
Because every other fan base is split.
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Dan
Yeah, that's right. Because I was thinking, you know, we've seen a Giants parade, Rangers parade, the jets and Mets would not be the same just because, as you said, you're kind of split. The, you know, the Knicks own New York and the five boroughs. But yeah, this would probably be. Even if the jets somehow won a Super Bowl, I don't. It would not top what the Knicks just did. Yes, Dylan, But I think there's also
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Dylan Harper
the space between wins factor. Like if the Knicks win, say they repeated next year, I feel like that will be automatically a less attended parade than this one.
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Dan
You mean when they repeat.
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Dylan Harper
Sorry, when they three peat.
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Dan
Don't be hating on the Knicks.
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Dylan Harper
When my Knicks 3 beat.
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Dan
You don't want social media coming after you like they are with me.
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Dylan Harper
We got some people in the building who might be coming after me.
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Dan
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. But yeah, the parade will be on Thursday in New York City. The Hurricanes, their parade will be on Saturday. Brendan Sorsby heading to the supplemental draft. We spent some time with Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk on everything surrounding this. Does the NFL punish him? Do they wait until he goes to a team Will that team know that there's a chance See that I. The NFL has got to let these teams know and obviously Brendan Sorsby, if they're doing a deep dive on him coming into the league, given all the pearl clutching that we have now with gambling, I, I think you got to let those teams know. You can't be drafting somebody and all of us and give up a second round draft pick and all of a sudden the NFL goes, you know, we're not going to let him play that first year. I mean, they did this Terrell Prior and you know, head coach Jim Trestle, when, you know, Trestle got fired by Ohio State and then trying to come into the NFL, he had to serve a suspension as well. And this was under his watch, that his football players were trading in some of their gear for tattoos. Brendan Sby is coming in and his charges, allegations a whole lot more serious than that. Yes.
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Paulie
Paul Marvin brought this up in the break and I hadn't thought about it before. Is it worse that he's a quarterback?
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Dan
Yes, yes. Because we just found out that the Patriots have a wide receiver who admitted to gambling when he was at lsu. Keyshawn Booty. He admitted now he was already in the NFL. Yeah, I think he was a year in and that admitted that he was gambling on lsu. But the quarterback is the face of the franchise. Quarterbacks are the faces of the league. That's why it's different. Yes, Dylan.
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Dylan Harper
Yeah, I think you might start seeing that more and more. And it's kind of like when the NBA changed their drug testing policies and became more lenient with like weed and stuff. A lot of former players were like, yeah, I was smoking weed the whole time. I think you might see that a little bit with retroactively players saying like, yeah, I was betting not necessarily on the sport or this team, but back in college, whenever.
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Dan
I don't know. I don't know. It's still, if. Well, to me you're betting on your team, are you sharing the information? That's why, you know, when people said, you know, Pete Rose had never admitted to betting on the Reds until he was on the radio show with me. And he shocked me. He said, look, I didn't bet against the Reds. I bet on the Reds to win. As if that would mitigate the, hey, that guy, man, he really believed in his team. He thought that this was a, yeah, big deal. I bet on my team to win, you know, well, you can't. And are you manipulating the lineup? You know, was Brendan Sorsby sharing Information. Hey, I bet on Indiana football. Okay, what did you know? Did you ask for information? He wasn't playing. But once again, I, I just can't go down that road, the, that road right now. I can't. I'd have to have a deep dive. I'd have to have all the information. You can be a great talent and, you know, it's a sliding scale. You know, what's your baggage and how talented are you? And we've seen sports will bend over backwards when somebody's really talented and they got baggage in this case at that position, can't take a chance on it. And this might be one of those where, man, you could have had him for a second round draft pick. You're right about that. You're right. But I got to sleep at night. I can't have somebody who's betting on the sport that they're playing. Can't. Deal breaker. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paul and Soresby is so hot and toxic right now that these teams would have to make this decision in weeks. If he played this season, Texas Tech won a lot of games, he played great football, the story would cool and other stories would take over and he'd go into the NFL draft with baggage, but not like white hot baggage.
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Dan
Well, also, with all this pressure on him, all eyes on him, what if he doesn't play well? So now he's taken himself out of being a first round draft pick. This might be the best of both worlds for everybody involved. Now Texas Tech can move on, save face. The Big 12 flexed its muscles. Sorsby can get his money, he can go to the supplemental draft. Maybe he gets drafted, maybe he goes to rehab or continues his, you know, rehab process here for the first year maybe. But boy, what a whirlwind tour this has been in the last couple of weeks. Yeah, Dylan.
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Dylan Harper
And that's sort of like the same thing I said about Deshaun Watson when all that stuff happened, he signed with Cleveland. I was like, he's done. I mean, for all intents and purposes, I just think some things, mentally, the stuff you're going to hear, game in, game out, Sorsby would have had the same thing. Playing at Texas Tech, I find you're at best fighting an uphill battle every game that you wouldn't be otherwise.
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Dan
But if DeSean Watson played well, no one would. It would, I mean, people would have a problem with it. Michael Vick came back, came out of prison, and Andy Reid took him, you know, in, and he played pretty well. And I, I think fans moved past that or Compartmentalized that, that, hey, I don't like that he did that killing dogs. But he's still pretty good football player.
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Dylan Harper
And he served his time.
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Dan
Yes, he did.
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Dylan Harper
Which and was a substantial amount actually compared to what a lot of other things get. So it's like, I mean, isn't that the whole point of rehabilitation and stuff where it's like, yeah, you, you served your time, you paid your price. Like it can't be held against you forever. Some guys just don't end up paying any price.
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Dan
Yeah, desean Watson paid a price, like literally paid a price. But it's not like he went to prison. But you know, he had a huge contract, a contract that he couldn't turn down. And there were other teams Atlanta was interested in desean Watson. There were other teams that would have taken him in. It's just, it's a sliding scale. If Brendan Sorsby can play, I'm not going to say people will look past that, but I think that this whole temperature that's really hot now will cool down a little bit. Once we don't stay focused very long on things, we move quickly. You know, we're, we're on this. Oh, it's so important. And then all of a sudden, boom, next topic. And then there'll be another topic that comes up. Yes, Dylan?
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Dylan Harper
Yeah, I would argue that like this might actually be best case scenario football wise for source because like you said the Texas, the season at Texas Tech would be, I mean they're loaded with question marks right now. Right now he enters the supplemental draft for the NFL. He's all just potential in terms just, I'm talking about on the field stuff. So it's like, it's not like he even has the chance to have a down season at Texas Tech and then compare that with the gambling stuff right now it's just like he has this one gambling thing. But as far as skill, it's like, you know, limitless potential.
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Dan
Well, he's out of options. I don't think he was going to be able to play a Texas Tech.
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Dylan Harper
No. But I think this actually could work out nicely for him if a team
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Dan
does decide to, oh yeah, he gets the nil money. And if you go into the NFL, maybe they can hide you for a year or two and maybe you begin the process of rehabilitation or you continue it. You're on a practice squad, you're not in front of people. Then it'll be the guy who. Oh yeah, that's the guy. Oh yeah, he was gambling. And then we'll Move on. Yes, Dill.
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Dylan Harper
And it could just end up being a possible redemption story. Not going to be immediately, but, yeah,
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Dan
if he can help others with warning signs, and I've mentioned that. 18 to 24, you know, you got boys who are gambling, and that's the sweet spot here, unfortunately, where you get a little money. Maybe you get a credit card, maybe you're at school, maybe you're betting through somebody. That's that. That's where we got a real problem. That'll surface. Got a real problem here, guaranteed. The number of times I've been tempted to gamble and I haven't placed a bet in over 40 years. But I can tell you there are so many times when I go, God, I'd bet that. Oh, man, I take the points and the word. You know, the worst thing that could happen is that I'd win. The last bet I ever placed, I lost three. $300. That's it. I don't want to bet. I don't. I don't have money when I play golf. I don't want it. I don't. I don't want to be around it. I don't like hearing when somebody bets. We do the gambling podcast, and it's kind of making fun of just how bad Dylan and Shay are as gamblers. But, you know, it's a real big problem in America and all of these leagues, every single one of them. Yes. I'm getting on my soapbox because I want to keep reminding you, parents out there or kids, keep it light. You can have fun with this, but you'll never win. You'll never beat them. Never. If you. If you get 53% of your bets correct, you are doing great. But I. I know what that feeling is like, and it's there. And I'm. I'm tempted all the time because there. I mean, how many times have I said to you, Dylan, God, I would. I. I'm saying to you, man, I would have taken, like, the spurs in game three. I go, I just think they're going to win. And, you know, I don't want to bet because I know what happens. And then you bet again, and then you bet again.
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Dylan Harper
Even yesterday, you're like, cape Verde is probably going to tie Spain.
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Dan
I thought that they could stay in the match. And it's Kate Verde.
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Dylan Harper
Sorry. Cabo Van.
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Dan
Yeah. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
I think the toughest part for Soresby is going to be to convince people that he's real and altruistic with his rehab, because a lot of media and a lot of Fans think he concocted things to get back to playing college football. He's got to prove that wrong. I don't know how you do that.
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Dan
Yeah, yeah. There'll be a lot of questions, and I don't know. You can't have somebody be evasive like I have to have you. You tell me because I'll have your back. But you got to tell me everything I need to know here. And we have invited him on, just to let you know, Fritz, he's reached out a couple of times, and wisely. He hasn't decided to come on the show now. He might eventually, but maybe now, when you're going into the supplemental draft, let. Let people hear from you. Let them hear in your voice. How do you sound? Are you contrite? You feel bad? Feel bad? You got caught, you know. Did Cincinnati rat you out? Did you bet on Cincinnati when you were playing for Cincinnati? Like, there's a lot of questions and probably some questions that he doesn't want to give answers to. What's the poll question for hour two?
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Dylan Harper
Well, Dan, I was thinking about this earlier. Should championship parades be on the weekend as a matter of course.
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Dan
Well, in New York, everybody's in New York. Yeah. So you're gonna. You. You already have an audience there, a captive audience. I'm okay in New York during the week. Now, if I'm a boss, you know, and I've got employees, and I go, hey, where's everybody? Oh, the parade. They come back banged up after that. I might have a problem with that, but I know a couple of guys here in the building. One go to the Knicks parade. And I said, well, we got a job to do here. Okay? Rob back there, the die hard Knicks fan, he knows he's got a job to do, and we'll do it.
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Dylan Harper
I was going to ask you about that, and actually, I have a solution. You send them to the parade. But it's the Hurricanes parade here.
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Dan
Yes.
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Paulie
Paulie, couple things. On the Knicks parade, my first thought was, do you have it on a Thursday to keep the. Because you may not be able to handle a Saturday parade when everyone's available. And also, isn't the US Open at Shinnecock this upcoming weekend? I don't think they would want to make fans choose between the two.
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Dan
Well, but that's out on Long Island.
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Paulie
True, but I guess I'm saying to split the sports fans from one event to another. If you do it Thursday, you're still supporting the Shinnecock US Open.
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Dan
Well, the crowds at Shinnecock and the Crowds at a Knicks parade will be vastly different.
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Paulie
Why?
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Dylan Harper
Please.
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Dan
Yes.
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Dylan Harper
You don't think they're going to torch a bus on the 11th hole at Shinnecock?
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Dan
Well, I hope not. I hope not.
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Dylan Harper
That would be. That would be an interesting Long Island Railroad mix of knicks fans and U.S. open fans going opposite directions.
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Dan
Just heard from Brendan Sorsby's agent. We will not be doing any media until after his pro day. So his agent just got back to Todd. Todd, if you can hear me, if you're feeling okay, can you ask when Brendan Sorsby's pro day is going to be? Just so we don't bother them with interview requests, but we do know he's having a pro day. So Todd asked his agent if you can. Todd, not with us today. Under the weather, but he's still part of the show. Yeah, Paulie.
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Paulie
The agent's email back to Todd actually says, thanks, Todd.
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Dan
Thanks, Todd. If he would have said, thank you, Todd, Right. Then I go, okay, all right. Maybe there's a chance we're gonna get this guy. All right, I'll get phone calls coming up. We'll talk to the Knicks forward, Mikhail Bridges. He'll join us coming up in an hour from now. But we make way for Tim Legler. Did a wonderful job with the NBA Finals with the mothership. He'll join us next right after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app
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Dan Patrick
Stigatz here.
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Dan
I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to iHeart.
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Dan Patrick
I'm also doing a live radio show
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Dan
from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house.
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Dan Patrick
It's called Stagatsu company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes.
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Dan
Every single day.
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Dan Patrick
Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.
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Dan
I love you guys show. It's one of my favorites.
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Dan Patrick
A lot of interaction. Guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you could expect from Stugots Co. And Stugots Co. Live. So listen to Stegotson Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review, Stug Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Stugotz
Are you really buying a car online
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Dan
on Autotrader right now?
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Stugotz
Really? I can get super specific with dealer listings and see cars based on my budget. You can really have it delivered or pick it up.
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Dan
I think kid is walking up the slide.
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Dan Patrick
Really?
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Stugotz
Auto trader. Buy your car online. Really?
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Ryan Seacrest
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Dan
Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary, massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.
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Ray Porter
I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.
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Dan
Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stugotz
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Dan
Next forward Mikhail Bridges joining us at the top of the hour. I refuse to let Tim Legler start his summer vacation without coming on one more time. ESPN lead NBA analyst Tim thank you. I never thought I would say this, that the Younger team seemed more tired and certainly Wemby at the end of most of these games. How much do you think that played a role in all the comebacks that the Knicks had?
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Dan Patrick
I think fatigue factored in, Dan. I definitely think that was the case. We commented on it during the broadcast. But I think more than anything, it was an uncertainty and a lack of identity in those moments that determine the games. I really think that was the biggest factor. And experience is a big part. You've got some. Some more veteran players on the Knicks and but for me, it starts with your identity, where you want to go when the game's on the line. The Knicks have no. No questions whatsoever in that regard. It's going to be Jalen Brunson. He's going to determine it. Everybody plays off of him. And the San Antonio spurs had moments where they kind of looked around at each other, unsure about what exactly it is that they wanted to do. And I think, look, part of that is Mitch Johnson, also a very young coach, going through it for the first time. But he has limitations as a coach. If some of his players have some limitations in those moments, and they do, and that is now the next step for this group. They've got their three best players are 22 and under. They've got to address. Look in the mirror and address some of the things that they need to improve and grow pond so they won't be in that situation anymore where they don't have answers late in games because that was the difference in the series.
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Dan
Did Victor Wembanyama have a good finals?
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, he had a good finals. He was. He didn't have a sensational finals. He wasn't the best player on the floor. They probably needed him to be more often, particularly in the fourth quarters of games. I'm not going to say he didn't have a good finals. I think he did. And I think there were times when that he went through stretches where he had dominance, but it was for short bursts, more more so than sustaining it throughout the 48 minutes. And certainly in those moments that determined this series, that I think is where his biggest challenge comes from. And look, we've talked about it before. He's 7 4. It's not like he can just bring the ball up, operate over the ball screen as the ball handler, or just go ISO from wherever he wants on the floor. Like most of the elite so scorers in this league, it's different for him. Doesn't mean he can't be equally dominant. I just think there's a. There's an area of the floor he hasn't mastered yet that he has to. And it's that area from 15 to 20ft in that Dirk Nowitzki type. Top of the key, elbows, jab, step, shoot over you, jab, step, go by you with one dribble. He doesn't really operate much in that area of the floor. It's either rim runs or he's behind the three point line a lot. So I think that's the next step in the evolution for Victor Wembanyama and it'll help him decide games.
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Dan
Let's look at the immediate futures of both of these teams. Start with the Knicks. They're set with their starting five. I don't know if they have any pending free agents, money issues with these guys. So handicap the Knicks going into next season.
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Dan Patrick
Yeah, look, I think the Knicks are now, the thing that they've done is they've, they've answered questions that maybe they even had internally about themselves. And look, the path was cleared slightly for them this year with Boston missing Tatum for most of the season. No Halliburton in Indiana. Detroit doesn't have enough shooting. They were exposed for that later. The Cavaliers, we've seen like that mental toughness that you need is lacking. Philly was hurt most of the year. So there were things that went right and I'm not trying to dismiss or diminish anything the Knicks did because they played incredible basketball, but they took advantage of the situation, which is what you have to do because you never know when these opportunities present themselves. So now they look at themselves as champions. They're going to feel differently about themselves and their ability to navigate any situation going in to next year. There is no reason to think that the Knicks can't return to the Finals, can't have an opportunity to repeat next year. There's no doubt in my mind that they're going to be one of those teams on a very short list of teams that could win a championship next year.
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Dan
And then the spurs, you've talked about their young players. I mean, you do have the Dear and Fox question because now he's going to be your highest paid player by far. Can you use him differently? Maybe I think you can.
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Dan Patrick
And I also think people out there that now want to take it to the extreme and oh, you got to move them, you got to cut them. You know, you should never see the floor again. You know, that's just not the way the NBA works. The guy's going to make a lot of money. He's still a very Good player. There's no doubt he struggled not only in the finals, but during the postseason. I think in general he took a step back offensively because he could and he accepted that. But I think that going forward, the future is going to be Stefan Castle and Dylan Harper. There's no question about that. Now both of those guys need to continue to improve their offensive games. Because Castle improved his like wide open three point shooting. I think he was over 40% after the all Star break. That's still a weakness in Dylan Harper's game. He can make them in rhythm, but the combination of what those guys do offensively and defensively, the pressure they put on you in the paint, address their shooting, continue to improve that area that is your backcourt. And for de' Aaron Fox, I almost think feel like now he should be a guy that's he's still going to play 25, 30 minutes a night. Maybe he's the guy that's more anchored to your second unit because I still think he is still can be an elite scorer a lot of nights. If he's out there more as your combo guard off the bench, that might be a better role for him. But that's a lot of money for a guy coming off the bench. I get it. But the future is Castle and Harper. There's no question about that. He's gonna be one of the best backcourts in the NBA like within the next couple of years. I think Dylan Harper has a chance to be like an all league type of player. That's where you need to go. And it was obvious to me throughout the finals they were a better team. When Dylan Harper was on the floor
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Dan
talking to Tim Legler, ESPN lead NBA analyst, trying to explain the Jalen Brunson ability to close. We had somebody call in, say, you know, this is like Mamba mentality. It's Michael Jordan at the end of games. And I, I, you know, once again we have a rush to judgment. You know, it's, it's recency bias. Brunson had a fabulous postseason. Can you start to put him in any other categories here as far as more than just hey, you want a title and you're a great player. Has he elevated to a different platform for you?
- [29:51]
Dan Patrick
He definitely has. And I mean, I don't know that it was going to take like this Finals run or that Finals performance in game five. To me it sort of had already gotten there because of what he's done here since he got to New York and more importantly, the way he typically plays in the fourth Quarter of games, the way that he takes over games, the fact that he's completely unfazed in those moments in the game, that speeds guys up, it clouds thinking. It's. It's difficult to operate with that level of pressure on you that efficiently. He's done that since he got to New York. Really before that, I mean, go back to college, certainly. He had a playoff run in Dallas, where he started to see it. Now he's at the point where you go, is there anybody else in the league that you trust more with the ball in their hands with the game on the line than Jalen Brunson? I mean, that's. He's literally elevated himself to right there at the top of the list, if you don't want to say he's, you know, clearly the guy. He's certainly on the. On that top two, three guys in the league that you want the ball in his hands because what he has shown you is he has an ability to process high pressure situations in a way that most guys are never capable of getting to. And it's amazing because he doesn't do it with anything that he's relying on athletically. It's all based on footwork, playing multiple speeds, getting you off balance, touch iq, strength, you name it. Like, that's what it is. But it's not. It's not getting off the ground to elevate over guys. It's not blowing by guys. It's not a crazy handle. It's just an ability to understand where he wants to go, keep you off balance to prevent you from dictating to him anything. He dictates terms to you, whatever's in front of him. Very few guys in this league right now can dictate to the defense the way that Jalen Brunson can. He's never at your mercy. You're always at his. And that's a very, very, very unique quality to have.
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Dan
I think he learned something from Luka because Luka does the same thing. You know, he's not blowing by you. He's not jumping over you. He has ability. Kawhi had had this ability where they kind of create the tempo. You go to their speed. And I can't help but think that when Jalen was there in Dallas watching what Luca was doing, it's basically, I'm going to control the tempo as well. I'm going to play the angles. I know what I can do and where I can do it. You just have to try to figure out getting there before I do.
- [32:16]
Dan Patrick
He has a quality Dan and look, you don't. And you're, you know, you're not comparing him to like players because they're all so different. But there are guys, historically in all sports, not just basketball, that have that quality of certainty. And man, does that mean a lot to a team. Like when your best player is that sure of the moment of themselves and their ability to operate in those moments and be able to see things at the same speed that they do all the rest of the time with the game hanging in the balance is an incredibly rare quality that the greats have had. In all of the team sports that we watch and cover and even individual sports like golf, we see guys that have that ability, that, that laser focus ability to be so sure of themselves that you basically take any self doubt out of the equation. Now it's all muscle memory. And that's what Jalen Brunson has gotten to. He's just in that place where when you need to have it, he's going to deliver because he's that certain of the outcome. It's, it's, it's really fascinating to watch. And he put on a game, he put on a show on game five that we're going to be talking about for years and years and years to come. And that series had moments obviously that we'll be talking about that are iconic. 50 years from now they'll be showing the OG Anunoby tip in as the open to the NBA Finals. There's no doubt in my mind.
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Dan
Yeah, Isaiah Thomas had this, you know, smallest guy usually on the floor, but he had that confidence and wanted the ball game on the line. And I mean there's something about that. You know, it's your DNA. They're just certain guys who are made for those moments. I still don't know why San Antonio didn't double Jalen Brunt. Like I never ever want him to beat me. I know he's the only guy on the floor who can beat me. He's the only guy talked about it
- [34:02]
Dan Patrick
repeatedly, you know, and it's, you never give him the same look all the time. And so they, you know, you got to mix it up. Sometimes you blitz them, sometimes you don't. Here's what I, what I felt like I saw at a San Antonio when they got leads and they had double digit leads in every game. When they got double digit leads, they got so conservative with their approach to him because they did not want to give up three point shots. I just, I just didn't understand. The guy had almost half of their points In a closeout game, you had to go. OG Anunoby wasn't in rhythm. Mikhail Bridges wasn't really in rhythm. Carl Anthony Towns had two points in the game. They weren't getting anything off their bench. You have to force that ball out of his hands and see who else can go make a play. And then you can always adjust back. But to repeatedly have that much faith in your individual defenders that they can handle him one on one, because you got Wemby back there, he's not trying to get all the way to the rim. Typically, he's trying to operate in that mid range area. And that means one guy's not going to be able to handle that, you know, unless you take it out of his hands. So I agree with you and I said it repeatedly throughout the broadcast. That's how I'm the same. Like, I wouldn't want to go into the summer playing against that team knowing I didn't force that to happen. And maybe a team gets in that situation next time around, you're going to see something different. You can't give it to him the entire time because then it's too easy to grow up a game plan, to pick it apart. But they didn't to me take the ball out of his hands enough in game five.
- [35:27]
Dan
Since I won't be talking to you for a while. If you could put Giannis in Boston or Miami, which appear to be the two front runners, which situation makes the most sense?
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Dan Patrick
Man, my Miami to me would be, you know, that would be most more interesting because I think that would elevate them immediately to a team that can contend. Boston, to me is already going to contend. Even if they don't do anything, they're already kind of in that category. So for me to add another team to the mix, that makes it more fascinating to me where Giannis ends up, because that's always a good thing. Just more teams that you look at as relevant, that potentially could make a deep run and maybe even get to the Finals. Giannis is that kind of tipping point player. Boston's already going to be in that category, even if they don't make a move.
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Dan
I know you like Dylan Harper a lot. If I said you could have Dylan Harper or Cooper flag,
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Dan Patrick
oh, man. Why would you make me make a decision like that? I want both. I want both.
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Dan
Is it that close? Is it that close?
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Dan Patrick
Do you like. Do you like rib eye or sushi? I like both. That's how I would answer that question. Give me the surf and turf.
- [36:39]
Dan
Is it. That's the surfing turf. So you're saying now three months ago, if I ask you're taking Cooper Flag,
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Dan Patrick
I would say, listen to me, I would probably lean Cooper Flag right now because Cooper Flag to me this year demonstrated, you know, more overall versatility in his game, had more on his plate. Honestly. Dylan Harper was playing on a great team, so he had a more defined role certainly throughout most of the regular season. Now that expanded into postseason, I think both of these guys are going to be all league players. I think both of these guys are going to be the type of guys that could be the best player on teams that can contend down the road. But right now as we sit here, Cooper Flag has demonstrated he's just got a little bit more well rounded versatility and obviously he's bigger. So that always is going to help. But I have no hesitation in saying that I think Dylan Harper not only is going to be an all league player, like a first team, all league guard down the road. And I don't know how long he stays at Wembley in San Antonio, but at some point these guys typically kind of want to be the best player on their own team. If that gets to the place down the road. I think Dylan Harper is going to be that good that he can be a top flight guard that can, that can lead a team deep into the postseason.
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Dan
Great stuff this year. Thank you for being available, Timmy.
- [37:55]
Dan Patrick
Always, Dan, anything you need.
- [37:57]
Dan
Tim Legler ESPN Lead NBA Analyst yeah, I didn't, I didn't think it was that close, but that gap closed. Maybe it's recency bias with, you know, Harper played really well and at times I thought he was the best player on the floor for his team. But this is a big, big difference in what was asked of Cooper Flag and what's asked of Dylan Harper. Cooper flag was 19. They turned the team over to him. He was 18 when the season started. It's Cooper Flag, but Dylan Harper. Dylan Harper opened a lot of eyes because he was going to be known as. Wait, who was the second pick in that draft behind Cooper Flag. And he's older than Cooper flag. He's 20. We'll take a break, get some phone calls. Coming up after this, Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.
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Stugotz
Are you really buying a car online
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Dan
on Autotrader right now?
- [39:05]
Stugotz
Really? I can get super specific with dealer listings and see cars based on my budget. You can really have it delivered or pick it up.
- [39:13]
Dan
I think kid is walking up the slide.
- [39:15]
Dan Patrick
Really? Auto trader Buy your car online?
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Stugotz
Really?
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Ryan Seacrest
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Dan
Hey everyone, it's Kal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project Hail Mary, Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.
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Ray Porter
I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. There's places in this book that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like yeah dude, me too.
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Dan
Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Stugotz
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Dan
Reach out again. I asked Fritz you to reach out to Brendan Sorsby's agent. We have reached out to him before and he said that his client is not going to be doing any interviews until after his pro day. So I said to Fritzi, go back and ask his agent when is his pro day, because that's news. His agent says, we will let you know by the end of the day tomorrow. Okay, you know, all this happening fast and you're going to go into the supplemental draft, have a pro day. Where do you have your pro day? How many teams do you think will be there to watch in person? And does everybody get a chance to ask, you know, break off, you know, one on one to ask Brendan Sorsby questions? So there's a lot of things moving. It's fluid still. David in Ohio. Hi, David, thanks for holding. What do you have for me? Hey, what's up, Dan?
- [42:49]
Dan Patrick
Congrats on getting another radio station in Hawaii.
- [42:52]
Dan
Aloha. Me and my wife went there to Hawaii on our honeymoon. And I don't know if you've ever been, so thank you. Yeah, I've been to Hawaii a few times. The big Island, Kona, Maui. Always great time. My daughter worked out there for I don't know how many years. And it was one of those where she's working in some farming, development, community, something. And I remember going out there and she said, oh, I want you, I want to show you where I was working. And so I got to see that. She goes, I want to show you where I was living. And I go, okay. We pull into. I still don't know what it was, but it had a damaged school bus or some kind of bus. And then there was some kind of concrete building hut, no running water, no electricity. And she had been living there with her boyfriend. And I went, what? And I. It was, it was one of those where you go, I can't. No. She goes, no, I'm. I'm fine. And I go, okay, all right. It's one of those where you go, no, no, that's my daughter that she's. You're not living like this. And she says, oh no, you know, we can, you know, run a cable. You know, we're Getting computer accent. I go, oh, my God. Yes.
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Dan Patrick
Marvin, were you thinking to yourself, I
- [44:38]
Dan
know I didn't work this hard for you to live here. I. Full disclosure, I started crying because I'm like, I. No, no. That. And she is tough, survivor, like her mom. And I just went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But she. She survived. Yeah.
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Paulie
Paulie, were there other people there? Like, sent up a commune?
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Dan
No, no, no, no.
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Paulie
It wasn't squatting. There was a lease involved.
- [45:05]
Dan
No. Oh, no, there was nothing there. Just a. It was just a small building made out of concrete. And there were, like, abandoned cars and, like, it was a dump.
- [45:16]
Paulie
But in the lovely land of Hawaii, the views.
- [45:19]
Dan
Damn, were unbelievable.
- [45:20]
Dylan Harper
Some call that glamping.
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Dan
It was. It was still Hawaii.
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Ryan Seacrest
78.
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Paulie
7 degrees every day.
- [45:27]
Dan
Oh, my God. And my wife, you know, she. She didn't react the way I did. She's like, you're making. You're making Grace feel bad. I go, I'm feeling bad. Like, I. I just. I was shocked. But, you know, we. She took us all around Hawaii, all the places, you know, she knew all these great places, the nice places.
- [45:51]
Paulie
Why didn't you just pull up a stump and sit there and hang out?
- [45:55]
Dan
We got an Airbnb when we were out there. And. Oh. Oh, fatherhood.
- [46:02]
Ray Porter
All those sports centers.
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Ryan Seacrest
You did?
- [46:03]
Dan
Yes.
- [46:03]
Ray Porter
All those road trips at the finals.
- [46:05]
Dan
Oh, second shift. I'm busting my ass. Golly. Dylan said, hey, how about the World cup food game? I go, I'm not familiar with the World cup food game. Do we have music for the World cup food game? Okay. All right, Dylan, go ahead. All right, Dan.
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Dylan Harper
So we have six nations that are playing today.
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Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
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Dylan Harper
I'm going to pick each one's national dish, or if they don't have that, what is considered one of or if not the most popular dishes. And you're gonna see if you can guess which country it belongs to.
- [46:40]
Dan
Country. Okay.
- [46:42]
Dylan Harper
All right, first off, Cebu. Jen spelled like the boo dien. It's a fish and broken rice.
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Dan
It feels like Senegal to me.
- [46:56]
Dylan Harper
Ding, ding, ding.
- [46:57]
Dan
Yeah. Yeah.
- [46:58]
Dylan Harper
All right. I'll give you a harder one.
- [46:59]
Dan
That was pretty tough.
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Dylan Harper
Faux recol, which is a mutton and cabbage. It's spelled like farikal.
- [47:07]
Dan
I'm gonna go Norway.
- [47:09]
Dylan Harper
Damn, you're good. Two for two.
- [47:11]
Dan
Wow.
- [47:12]
Dylan Harper
All right. Couscous.
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Dan
I'm gonna go France.
- [47:20]
Dylan Harper
Bali.
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Paulie
I just got Algerian takeout the other day. Algeria.
- [47:24]
Dylan Harper
It is Algeria.
- [47:25]
Dan
Wow.
- [47:26]
Dylan Harper
Couscous. The food's so nice, they named it twice. Dan.
- [47:28]
Dan
Okay.
- [47:29]
Dylan Harper
And mazgouf. Which is grilled carp.
- [47:34]
Dan
Oh, God. Iraq.
- [47:39]
Dylan Harper
That is correct.
- [47:40]
Dan
Wow.
- [47:40]
Dylan Harper
I think we only got two left. This is gonna be kind of easy.
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Ray Porter
Mm.
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Paulie
That's beef carp.
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Dylan Harper
Mm. Beef bourguignon.
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Dan
Bali.
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Paulie
Gotta be France, right?
- [47:51]
Dan
It is France.
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Dylan Harper
Which only leaves Argentina, which was a tough one to find. I was really only finding asada, which is more of like a open flame cooking style of various meats, but that is sort of their encompassing national dish. There you go. You guys did pretty. I honestly thought there was gonna be some trickier ones there. We'll get there. We'll do this again.
- [48:09]
Dan
Oh, I can't wait. That sounds great. Thank you. Thank you.
- [48:14]
Ryan Seacrest
You're welcome.
- [48:15]
Dan
Yeah. All right, final hour. On the way, we'll talk to the Knicks. Mikhail Bridges. He was known as the warden. That was his nickname, but I think it might have been from high school. And then when he played for the Nets, he was known as Brooklyn Bridges. McHale. Bridges. David. Idea with that.
- [48:38]
Dylan Harper
No relation to Kevin McHale right then.
- [48:40]
Dan
No.
- [48:42]
Dylan Harper
You hated that.
- [48:43]
Dan
I did. What are you doing? All right, final hour on this Tuesday on the way. More of your phone calls. We'll get to those 877 3dp show. Dylan is here. Marvin's here. Paula, yours truly, the back room guys. And Fritz, he's here in spirit. This is Tab Ramos from inside American Soccer. And this summer, topgolf is turning into the ultimate soccer destination. They've got a new soccer themed game you can play with your group, exclusive food and drink items. They've even installed full size soccer goals so you can try to hit golf balls right into the net. And every match all summer long will be on throughout the venue. And if you want to keep the fun going all summer, you can get the topgolf Summer Fun Pass, which lets you play every single day and bring
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Dan
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Dan Patrick
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