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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour two on this Friday. It's a meat Friday. Marvin, who loves ham over turkey? We decided to have some smoked honey glazed ham. We have potato latkes. That's for Todd Hanukkah around the corner. And those are the potato pancakes.

Todd (3:17)

Ronnie Latkes.

Dan Patrick (3:18)

Ronnie. Oh, Ronnie Latkes.

Todd (3:20)

Yeah, we call him Ronnie Latkes.

Dan Patrick (3:21)

Okay. New England clam chowder as well. Who has it better than we do?

Marvin (3:26)

Nobody.

Dan Patrick (3:28)

Phone calls always welcome 877-3-DP show email address DP dan patrick.com Twitter handle a DP show stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Ross Tucker, he worked for Westwood One Radio last night. He was on the call for the Lions and the Cowboys. He'll join us coming up. Detroit's now 8 and 5. Dallas is 6 and 6 and 1. Poll question for hour two is going to be what seat? No, Connor.

Seaton (3:56)

Well, we got up there for our one. Would you rather your team have a great kicker or a great wide receiver? Wide receiver is really running away with that one.

Dan Patrick (4:04)

All right.

Seaton (4:05)

They have about 72% of that vote currently. We have a snarky one here. Also from Paul, who had the worst week? Penn State football or other.

Paulie (4:17)

I wasn't trying to be mean. I was trying to populate the poll question and I couldn't think of anyone who's close, player, team concept, et cetera.

Marvin (4:25)

Et cetera, et cetera.

Dan Patrick (4:27)

Who had a bad week. Aside from Penn State, is there anybody else that you'd factor in? Yes, Marvin.

Marvin (4:34)

Lane Kiffin. Not money wise, but just perception wise.

Seaton (4:37)

Yeah, I think he had a bad week. I do. I think Lane Kiffin had a bad week.

Dan Patrick (4:44)

Okay.

Seaton (4:44)

Even though, I mean, he got an awesome job and a gajillion dollars, he had a bad week.

Dan Patrick (4:50)

Well, I think what's hurt him is now there's a lot of things, but it was messy.

Dan Patrick (4:57)

This wasn't an amicable parting. This was a messy divorce there. And then all of a sudden we're hearing from Lane and he giving his side of the story and he wanted a coach and everybody wants me to coach. But then we find out not everybody in his locker room wanted him to coach. Then all Of a sudden, there's a story that somebody tried to run him off the road as he was getting ready to go to the airport to go to lsu. The state troopers in Mississippi, they refuted that. So it just feels like he's added to this instead of just taking the job, you're going to take some hits and then you're going to move on because somebody else is going to do this probably next year or the year after. But it just felt like he kept adding fuel to the fire instead of trying to put it out and didn't do a good job at all. You know, his PR team is not as good as his old Miss football team. They took the loss this, this past week. Yeah, Paulie.

Paulie (5:53)

Yeah, it does feel, I agree with you guys. He took an up and down career and it real, really settled at Ole Miss. Like you said, that documentary. He seemed to have everything going well, family life. And at the point where he's a guy you root for, you rooted for Ole Miss, you rooted for him. And he was a great guest on shows. He would kind of hit his stride and then upheaval. Now, now people will root a little bit nationally, not locally against lsu. Kind of like what happened to Brian Kelly when he went to lsu.

Dan Patrick (6:20)

Yeah, but you know what? Brian Kelly didn't bother me as much because I think Notre Dame wanted to move on from Brian Kelly. And all indications were Marcus Freeman was that guy. And it felt like it was a.

Dan Patrick (6:35)

Addition by subtraction. Hey, we got rid of this guy. He's a great coach. But he, he doesn't fit with what we're trying to do at Notre Dame. And Marcus Freeman has come in and nobody has said anything about what Brian Kelly did to Notre Dame. They're like, oh, that's right, he did leave. Leave them. You know, in these coaches are like, yeah, I'm gonna. And Brian Kelly did that before, elsewhere in his career where you're like, I got a bowl game coming up. Yeah, well, I'm not coaching. See you later. Yes.

Seaton (7:02)

Yeah, Brian Kelly left Notre Dame, but he was there for a long time. Yeah, that, that like window had closed. I think it seemed pretty clear that his time there was, was pretty much wrapped up, you know, but that's the.

Dan Patrick (7:16)

Kind of place where you go and you stay and you retire. It feels like it's Notre Dame. Yeah, Paulie, I totally agree.

Paulie (7:22)

I'm going back to 2021. Brian Kelly was 11 and 1 when he left Notre Dame. They weren't like not even a four loss season. They had a One loss season. His last name's Kelly, for God's sake. He's got the Notre Dame job. You have more control over your franchise, whatever you want to call it, than any coach in America. You don't have to answer to any conference presidents, blah, blah, blah. All you got to do is recruit and win and they'll get you in the playoffs, as you can see.

Dan Patrick (7:48)

Yeah, but he had gotten to the point and I think Notre Dame is built now to be a big 10 sec kind of team, physical run the football. But they've done that kind of in the image of Marcus Freeman, not Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly was an offensive minded head coach. Marcus Freeman played defense, played defense in college and was their defensive coordinator. But yeah, I think there's certain. And what Kiffin had been Ole Miss six years. And how long was Brian at Notre Dame? Was Brian at Notre Dame 10 years?

Paulie (8:17)

Yeah, 11 years.

Dan Patrick (8:19)

11 years. Okay. Yeah. I think Notre Dame was like, you want to go? Okay.

Dan Patrick (8:27)

Because I don't know if there was this, you know, pushback of what's it going to take to keep you. When you say, I can't win a national title there, but I can win a national title at lsu, that's when I say, you need help packing your bags? Yes. Marvin.

Marvin (8:40)

Another nominee for worst week. Jackson Dart.

Marvin (8:45)

Did not have a good week.

Dan Patrick (8:46)

Okay.

Marvin (8:47)

Took some big hits and then didn't shy away from like, you know, I'm going to take the big hits because I play football.

Dan Patrick (8:54)

Well. We've had some people on the show this week who have sided with him. Like, yeah, I love that. You know, Steve Young was saying, man, you love to fire up your team. And I'll ask Ross Tucker this. I want my quarterback smart. I. You have to be tough to play the position, but I want you to be smart when you play the position because if you pick your spots, if that was, I'm going to run one more yard and try to run over this defensive back and we're going to go to the Super Bowl. I get it. But this wasn't for a first down. You got two wins and you're in concussion protocol the two previous weeks. What do you think? Yeah, Paul, it goes back to that.

Paulie (9:37)

Garoppolo run six or seven years ago against Kansas City. It was week three. He was not trying to. He lowered his shoulder into the defensive back. He tore his own knee up. Not his shoulder, his head. He tore up his own knee. Cost a season.

Marvin (9:51)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (9:52)

Yeah. All right. 877 3DP. Show operator sitting by, taking your phone calls, the autograph calendars. The only place you can get them is if you go to danpatrick.com and click on Tailgate Moonshine. And if you order by December 8, you can get it by Christmas. So Ross Tucker will join us coming up. This what next 15 minutes or so, we'll get to your phone calls. Got our poll question here. I saw where Russell Wilson Jr. III is joining CBS this week. They have a bye week. The Giants have a bye week. And I guess he's going to be in studio. That would make sense. Can't imagine him out doing a game. But Russ is going to be in studio for cbs.

Dan Patrick (10:36)

Feels like this is what he is ready to transition to. Yes.

Marvin (10:41)

Marvin, took the words out of my mouth. This feels like a Tiki Barber or Michael Strahan move because unfortunately Michael Strahan has the career Tiki Barber thought he.

Dan Patrick (10:49)

Was going to have.

Marvin (10:50)

Sorry, go ahead.

Dan Patrick (10:51)

Yeah, I just.

Dan Patrick (10:54)

This is going to be difficult, I think for Russ to step out of the almost robotic, you know, hey, here's my comments and you know, Mr. Positivity. And now you got to go in and have an opinion on, you know, players and teams and is he willing to do that? That, that, that's the hardest part. For all of these analysts, former players who become an analyst, what are you going to say? And it's not like you have to be really critical as much as you, you have to be analytical and there's a difference. You can do your job by pointing out something and not being mean spirited. And I remember when Troy Aikman was just starting and I talked to him in St. Louis, we were at a Joe Buck golf tournament and I said, are you ready, you know, for this world, you know, that you're going to be critiquing? He said, well, I'm not going to be mean spirited. As much as my job is to analyze something, it's not to be critical of somebody, it's to be analytical of somebody. And it was a great answer. It's I'm not going to go out of my way. But we as viewers, we want you to be honest when you say something, you know, it's not, boy, you'd like to have that one back after somebody throws a pick six. It's boy, what that was a terrible throw or what are you thinking in a situation like that instead of boy, he would like to have that one back. I haven't met a quarterback who hasn't had a pass where it got picked off where he didn't want to have that I'm really happy with.

Paulie (12:23)

When I stepped into it. It's a nice spiral. Tight.

Seaton (12:26)

Felt good leaving my hand. I don't know what happened after that.

Dan Patrick (12:28)

What if it.

Paulie (12:29)

What if Russell Wilson gets in the studio this weekend and it's like a body switching movie and he just starts lighting people up and he's mean spirited. Like, all the last 10 years of frustration come out like, that guy sucks. He shouldn't be in the league. Cut him.

Dan Patrick (12:42)

Well, the problem is that all the guys who didn't like him in Seattle don't play anymore. So he can't be ripping those guys. Yes. Yeah.

Seaton (12:49)

That's why sometimes I think that we, like the public, go a little crazy over, like, well, this guy's got to have opinions, so we better.

Paulie (12:55)

What?

Seaton (12:55)

I don't see J.J. watt throwing haymakers Sunday where he's like, this guy sucks. That guy's great.

Dan Patrick (13:01)

Like, he does.

Seaton (13:02)

He just kind of breaks down the game and then that's it. You know, I, I don't see any reason why Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson's a good looking guy. He looks good on camera. He can articulate a thought really, really well. You know, he could break down games. I don't know why he wouldn't do very well.

Dan Patrick (13:17)

I gotta see how he breaks down a game. I mean, we're still slicing and dice and Tom Brady, because he seemed a little robotic when he first started there and kind of relaxing a little bit and talking to the boys, you know, talking to your friends. Being analytical but not being critical. And I think there's a fine line in doing that, and it's hard to do. Yes.

Todd (13:41)

Todd, to Seaton's point, Matt Ryan is in one to say, whoa, shots fired. You at.

Dan Patrick (13:45)

Matt said, yikes.

Marvin (13:46)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (13:47)

This guy's out of control.

Seaton (13:48)

What he just said, he just tore them a new one.

Dan Patrick (13:49)

No, he doesn't. But I, I would always push Rodney Harrison and Tony Dun. Are you saying, like, don't say something that's obvious? Tell me something that we don't know we didn't see. And it doesn't mean, like, if somebody quits on a route, then you say they quit on a route. Like, I would have been critical of, you know, last night with the George Pickens, the Pat Pickens. Yeah, I, I would have been critical of some of the past routes that he was running. And they were. I mean, you're. You. You have to point those things out just to be fair to the situation and to the audience. Yeah.

Paulie (14:25)

Paulie, one thing that disappoints me you go back to 2017. Remember, Fox Sports hired Jay Cutler, the former quarterback, to be an analyst. He was gonna be like their third team booth with Kevin Burkhart. And right before the season starts, there's an injury and he goes to play for the Miami Dolphins. He never became a broadcaster. I really wanted to see a guy like him because I had no idea what we're gonna get with Jay Cutler. I still don't.

Dan Patrick (14:51)

Well, it. You know, they had that reality show.

Paulie (14:54)

Oh, yeah.

Dan Patrick (14:55)

His Wife and. And he was interesting because he just didn't care. You know, you're thinking, what did you see in him in the first place? But he'd be like, all right, I'm gonna go hunting. I don't know. Whatever. I don't think you can have that approach to doing, you know, NFL studio shows or game. I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. Whatever.

Todd (15:18)

I would have ran it there.

Dan Patrick (15:19)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (15:21)

Why are they always playing?

Seaton (15:23)

What would you do?

Paulie (15:25)

Third one. What do you think, Jake? I don't know. They're gonna run a play. We'll figure it out afterwards.

Dan Patrick (15:30)

May run. They may. I don't know. Whatever. I don't know would be great.

Paulie (15:35)

I wish I could have saw it.

Dan Patrick (15:36)

I hope Russ has a fun weekend. I hope that he does it and enjoys it and is able to kind of give people an appreciation for what he sees as a quarterback. I hope so. I just don't know if you can jump out of your uniform into a suit and then you sit there and it's a sterile environment. As I tell the analysts that I work with it, you have to manufacture your excitement when you're in the studio. When you're out of the game, you don't have to worry about it. You're into it, you're ready to hit somebody. But when you're in that studio and it's very antiseptic, and I think that'll be. That's the challenge. Sometimes you're trying to get guys fired up a little bit, and it just doesn't come naturally. Yes.

Marvin (16:21)

Marvin, is it going to be tougher for him to maybe criticize somebody because he's a current player?

Dan Patrick (16:29)

Yeah, I would imagine. I mean, I don't know what you're going to get out of him. It does give CBS a little bit of news and they can, you know, make a bigger deal out of this and put him in studio, but I don't. I don't know what kind of position they're going to put Russ in, because I don't know, how many times do you hear like Bill Cower was very critical of Lane Kiffin. You know, he and. And said that on the CBS show. They said it on our show as well. I don't know how many of those moments that you get. And this is a college coach that he was very critical of, not an NFL coach. Yeah. I mean, you pick your moments here and it's different. CBS is not a hot take place. You know, when Rex Ryan goes on the mothership, his job is to get you to talk about what he talked about so it goes viral, get clicks. That's Ryan Clark. He wants you to, you know, hey, did you hear what he said? That's. That's what their job is. Kendrick Perkins. That's his job. I want you to. I want you to be talking about what I'm talking about. I don't know if CBS goes into it and saying, hey, JB or Bill Cower, come on, you got to say something here. Or Matt Ryan. I mean, you hope they do, but you know, you, you're hiring them because of their personality. I don't think you can change somebody's personality. But I hope Russ gets an opportunity to shine a little bit because it certainly feels like that's. That's his next spot. Yes.

Todd (17:55)

Todd, does Russ get a private office on a separate floor from the CBS guys that have been there for.

Dan Patrick (17:59)

I'm just curious. Too soon. Too soon.

Paulie (18:03)

Say it to his face.

Todd (18:04)

I should say.

Dan Patrick (18:05)

Would you say that to his face?

Todd (18:07)

If I probably wouldn't, I would. I would say it in jest so tongue in cheek so he wouldn't be upset.

Dan Patrick (18:13)

He would call it in. If he called in right now and you answered the phone, I feel the pressure now.

Todd (18:18)

I would have to say. Are you getting your own office this weekend at CBS like you did with the Broncos away from the rest of the tent?

Dan Patrick (18:23)

You would do that?

Todd (18:24)

I think I would have to because I got to put my money where my mouth is.

Dan Patrick (18:27)

All right.

Paulie (18:28)

I got to put my money where my mouth is.

Seaton (18:29)

That was exactly the same energy.

Paulie (18:32)

Take that, Russ.

Seaton (18:33)

Putting my money.

Todd (18:34)

Just give my opinion like I'm supposed to.

Dan Patrick (18:37)

How about we take a break? We will talk to Ross Tucker. He was on the call last night for Westwood One. We're back after this in the Dan Patrick show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington.

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Dan Patrick (23:07)

Sneak in a couple of phone calls before we bring in Ross Tucker. Greg in Michigan. Morning, Greg. What's on your mind today?

Marvin (23:14)

Good morning, Dan. Mr. Positive. I love that you said Mr. Positivity. I've been Mr. Positive for 45 years. But I gotta tell you, the Detroit Lions, what a complete game yesterday. Little bit of flaws here and there. Huck showed up, had 7 pressures, I guess in the fourth quarter, it was a good complete game. We needed that because here in Detroit, Dan, I gotta tell you.

Marvin (23:42)

It'S ebb and flow with these Detroit Lions. You know, you go 12 and 5, 15 and 2, and then all of a sudden you might not make the playoffs and you just go, oh God, here we go again. Terrible. And you know, just what did you think? Did you think feel the Lions? You think we got more we got more injuries.

Paulie (24:06)

Yeah, I thought this guy was Mr. Positivity. He's totally bailing.

Dan Patrick (24:10)

Greg, you were Mr. Positivity. Thank you. Thank you for the phone call there. Now all of a sudden, it's like, we're doomed. Oh, what was me? Charlie Brown got on the phone.

Paulie (24:22)

Yeah, Paul, but you guys have been there. If you support a team that's had a tough history, you love hearing people talk positive, outside outsiders talk about them. It just makes you feel more confident. I've been there.

Dan Patrick (24:33)

Yeah, but you should be positive about the lines. They've done a remarkable turnaround here. Now you're waiting for the negativity. You're waiting for the. We're bounced again here. How about we just let this play out? It's a really good team and be positive. Come on, Greg, you're better than that. Speaking of positivity, that's Ross Tucker. He hosts the Ross Tucker football podcast. Follow him on social media at Ross Tucker, NFL. He was in the booth last night, Westwood One, with the Cowboys and the Lions. And then next Sunday, week 15, he's got the jets and the Jags. Ross, good to see you again. Feels like the state of Pennsylvania is the epicenter of football right now because you got Steelers, you got the Eagles, and then you got Penn State. So where do you want to start?

Marvin (25:23)

Well, I'm right in the middle of all of it, Dan. I live in central Pennsylvania, which is interesting because growing up closer to Philly In Reading, it's 100% Eagles fans. You go an hour west, and now it's probably 50, 50 between Eagles and Steelers. You know what I would say I'll make a comparison, actually, Dan, between Mike Tomlin and James Franklin, because I'm hearing the same thing from Steelers fans that I was hearing from some of the Penn State fans. Now it's different, but there's a lot of crossover between those two fan bases. And, you know, Dan, they just feel ready to move on, and they recognize that Franklin was a good coach. They recognize that Mike Tomlin is a good coach. I think in both instances, they felt like it was time to move on. Now we'll see how that works out for Penn State. Obviously, the coaching search has not gone as they wanted it to, but there were a lot of people that wanted James Franklin fired. They were sick of losing Ohio State. They were sick of not winning, quote, unquote, the big one, and they were ready to move on. The same thing with Mike Tomlin. You know, Steelers fans have a really high standard, Dan. Really high standard. And they should you the 70s. And even when Roethlisberger was there, they won a couple Super Bowls. They haven't won a playoff game since 2016. And I think what frustrates them is it feels like there's a commitment to just above mediocrity. There's a commitment to being good enough, and they're sick of that. I mean, you talk to Steelers fans, kind of wild that they'd rather the team go 3 and 14 and get a high draft pick and finally try to fix the quarterback position. I don't think they realize how hard that is to do. But that's the mindset right now. A lot of Steelers fans feel the same way a lot of Penn State fans did, in which they're ready to move on. What's unique about that is just like Franklin, if the Steelers part ways with Tomlin, he'll have three or four offers this off season. He'll have three or four NFL offers of teams that would be thrilled to get Mike Tomlinson.

Dan Patrick (27:40)

Yeah, commitment to mediocrity or just above mediocrity. Not the same as commitment to excellence that, you know, the Raiders coined with Al Davis there. All right, you were on the call with the game last night. What were you expecting?

Marvin (27:54)

I was expecting a lot of points, which we got. I really thought the Cowboys were going to win. I mean, I talked about this on the Even Money betting podcast, and honestly, everyone I spoke to, Dan, I mean, even Lions fans, even people that cover the Lions, everyone was surprised that the Lions were favored. And not just favored, they were favored by three. And then yesterday during the game, you know, before the game, it went up to three and a half, which, as you know, is a huge difference. That made no sense to me from a betting perspective. I thought taking the Cowboys three and a half made all the sense in the world because the Lions weaknesses right now, or at least perceived weaknesses going into it, matched up with the Cowboys strengths. The interior of the offensive line for the Lions has not been good and they're banged up. The Cowboys might have the best D tackle rotation in the league right now. The secondary, they put Terry and Arnold, their best corner on ir. They have no Kirby Joseph. You're going up against George Pickens and CD Lamb. I think most people thought the way these two teams were trending, that it'd be a high scoring game, but that the Cowboys would probably win outright. 34, 31. If they lost, it would be by a field goal or so. I will also say this. I did not think Amon Ross St Brown was going to play. He didn't practice at all all week. If they didn't play him last night, he'd have 10 days before the next game. They still had four more games to go. He made a really, really significant difference last night.

Dan Patrick (29:29)

I know everybody's all in on George Pickens. I need to see a little bit more. I know he can be unbelievable. I know, you know, we were ready to christen him the best receiver the Cowboys had a couple of weeks ago or last week. But there, it felt like there were a couple of moments where George Pickens didn't do what he was supposed to do. He still makes spectacular plays, but I just can't be all in on him. And they're going to sign him up to a $30 million contract, I'm guessing. What do you think?

Marvin (29:59)

Well, that, that is The I guess $30 million question. Because, you know, whatever you want to say about him, he's incredibly talented. He's a top five guy in terms of talent. He already had going into last night, the most yards by any Cowboys receiver ever in the first 12 games of the season. Which is just incredible when you think about the receivers that they've had. But, you know, pick your pick your word, Dan. Erratic behavior, enigmatic. He is a very unique person. And when you see the season he's having and the plays he's making for the Steelers, who drafted him to move on from him with, as long as they held on to Antonio Brown, as long as they held on to other guys, Plexigo Burris and San Antonio Holmes, that says a lot. I would be scared to death to give him a long term deal. I. I'd rather franchise tag him for a year, see how it goes. He feels like Dan, a guy that you want to date and not marry. And if you do choose to marry him, and the Cowboys might, boy, you better that contract, you better have a heck of a prenup if you're going to marry George Pickens to a long term deal.

Dan Patrick (31:15)

We're talking to Ross Tucker, CBS Sports, Westwood One NFL college football analyst and of course, host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. The most must win game of the weekend is which one?

Marvin (31:29)

I think I'm gonna say other than last night, I think I'm gonna say the Chiefs. I think Chiefs, Texans. Feels to me like that's as close as we get to last night in the sense of an elimination game. You know, I have no idea how these people come up with these numbers where, you know, if the Cowboys win, they have a 42% chance to make the playoffs. If they lose, they have a night. I mean, they could make up any number and I would just believe them. But those guys.

Dan Patrick (31:57)

Wait a minute. You went to Princeton. You're supposed to know these things, Dan.

Marvin (32:03)

I intentionally avoided any math classes like that, like they were the plague. Listen, there's certain classes at a school like Princeton you take. There's certain classes you don't. It's like all the guys freshman year that they walk in, they're like, yeah, I'm pre med. You're like, yeah, no, you're not.

Dan Patrick (32:21)

You won't be.

Marvin (32:23)

Yeah, wait till. Wait till organic chemistry. Just so you know, when you walk into that class, almost everybody in there is smarter than you. And if they're not, it's the hockey guys.

Marvin (32:38)

But no, I mean, they come up with these percentages and last night was a massive swing, right? Like 30% either way for the Lions and the Cowboys. That's the Texans and the Chiefs. And what's interesting about that one is it reminds me of last night in the sense that the Chiefs are down both starting offensive tackles. Let me tell you who you don't want to play when that's the case. The Houston Texans, Daniel Hunter, Will Anderson, the best edge duo in the NFL. Those are two bad dudes. Mahomes better get rid of the ball quickly.

Dan Patrick (33:12)

I brought this up a couple of times to a couple of different guests. Would you rather have a smart player as a quarterback or a tough player as a quarterback?

Marvin (33:24)

Smart. Yeah, I would say smart. I think it's still, you know, isn't interesting that in football with all these big, tough, strong, fast guys, it really is intelligence. And we're talking football intelligence has nothing to do with your SAT or whatever, but football intelligence still is a massive, massive differentiator. You watch what Stafford does a lot of these games. He. It's like he's in the matrix. You know, he's seeing it. The other night, Joe Burrow, you know, I had a coach say, and we were talking about this on the Ross Tucker podcast. Joe Burrow is like a human computer chip. I mean, that's how quickly he pro. And I have no idea what kind of grades he got or whatever, but he's the son of a coach and smart. Look, of course you want them to be tough, right? But tough can get you in trouble. You know who's tough? Jackson Dart stuff. Okay, Jackson Dart's tough. I'm not sure where he is on the smart scale. Okay? I. I don't know how much of that's just youthful bravado or stupidity. I'm not sure where he's at on that scale. I like tough. I love smart. If I'm trying to win big.

Dan Patrick (34:34)

Yeah. And I know Jackson dart. You know, his dad was a defensive back and this is how he plays. And it's not soccer. If that one yard means we win the super bowl, then go get him. But that one yard, you're coming out of concussion protocol. You have two wins on the season. Get out of bounds.

Marvin (34:52)

Well, and Dan, I can remember this. I think it was the fourth team I played for was the Patriots. And when you're in the training room. Okay, I don't know if they still have it, but when you're in the training room, they have a big sign above the entrance and exit door that says the best ability is availability. They are very, very clear. You're sitting there in the training room, Dan, getting treatment, looking at that sign. I mean, it's. Maybe they took it down because Belichick's not there anymore, but there was nothing subtle about it. It was your. Your you know what needs to be out there every day and you just can't win. You know, I love Jackson darts mentality, I suppose, you know, especially as a former lineman. But they need you out there. You just missed two games. And in the first 10 snaps against the Patriots, you get master blasted twice. I mean, we can't have that.

Dan Patrick (35:53)

Is that the official term, master blasted?

Marvin (35:55)

I don't know where that came from, but now that I said it, it sounds way too close to another term. So I'll probably never ever be saying that again.

Dan Patrick (36:05)

Yeah, Fritzi is a master blaster baiter. Okay, so I think that. Is that Mad Max? Is that what that movie? I think that's what it's from.

Marvin (36:14)

Is it? I don't know, man. I. You know what?

Dan Patrick (36:17)

When you know. Is that from Mad Max?

Paulie (36:19)

Yeah, that's from Mad Max. Beyond Thunderdome.

Dan Patrick (36:22)

Oh, okay.

Marvin (36:23)

What's the master blaster? Polly?

Paulie (36:24)

He's like, he's the guy who goes into the cage and takes everybody out when they're. They're jousting.

Marvin (36:32)

So now that. That's fascinating to me because I. I've seen that movie 35 years ago. So somewhere in my brain talking about Jackson Dark getting smoked, that came out. The human brain is a wild thing, Dan.

Dan Patrick (36:47)

Okay, but do linemen think less? Did you think less of Tom Brady when he would just fall down and not take a hit? Or Peyton Manning or, you know, some of these all time greats that didn't take on contact, not even a little bit.

Marvin (37:04)

We wanted them to do that. Tom Brady, all of our lives, our jobs, our success, our playoff money, it's all in their hands. It's all in Tom Brady's hands. We can't have him getting hurt. I remember a Patriot assistant coach telling me when I first got there, now he's a very, he's been a prominent coach since then, NFL head coach and the whole deal. And I said, well, what happens if something happens to Tom? And he said, oh, well, then we just fold up shop and it's over. And I think he was joking, but because he was showing me when I first got there, all of the things, Dan, that Brady did before the snap, which were cr. I had not experienced that with my first three teams. No one redeclared the mic, changed the protection, changed the run scheme right before the snap and then snapped the ball like Brady did. They were operating at a much higher level and you need that guy. You know, think about where the Chiefs would be without Mahomes or the Bills without Josh Allen. You can't win with these guys getting hurt.

Dan Patrick (38:16)

Russell Wilson as a guest analyst on cbs. What do you think?

Marvin (38:24)

You know, I think I'm probably as curious as anybody else. You know, I think we're all. It's always interesting when someone that's been playing this long and we know them in sort of player speak, player talk in that role to see how they transition, because Russell hasn't been known as a guy that gives a colorful quote or gives a lot of in depth information. He's sort of the prototype and always has been for how you want your franchise quarterback to handle those press conferences. You want them to smile, you want to be courteous, and you want them to give as little information as possible. So I think it puts him in a unique spot on Sunday. Can he just flip the switch? You know, can he, can he flip the switch and actually say something interesting or is he still sort of in. I'm an active player, you know, computer mode where I'm just gonna say, you know, the, the generic thing because I don't want to say anything that gets me in trouble. I, I'm fascinated by it. I, I think it's great. I mean, I, you know, I might tune in and watch it to see, you know, what he's like. Of course, because it's on cbs and I love cbs, Dan. I love anything that CBS does, I am fully on board with.

Dan Patrick (39:40)

Of course you do. You'll be on the call next Sunday, week 15 between the jets and the Jags on CBS. Thank you, Ross. Great to talk to you.

Marvin (39:49)

Always. Dan, thank you so much for having me.

Dan Patrick (39:52)

That's Ross Tucker. He's one of my favorite guests. He is. He just, he has great stories and not afraid. Ross Tucker, football podcast. By the way, Russell Wilson Jr. III will be on CBS and their pregame show. Jameis Winston is going to be working for Fox's pregame show. How about that? I'd say that's a win for Fox right there. Getting Jameis Winston. Get him dialed up a little bit. Seaton, you're giving me scrunchy face here. Jameis Winston on the pregame show with Fox. Yeah.

Seaton (40:32)

You know, I think.

Seaton (40:34)

I must be in a smaller group because I just, I don't find Jameis Winston amusing.

Dan Patrick (40:42)

Okay.

Seaton (40:43)

I really don't. I don't. I know that he gets a lot of attention on social media. People like, bye.

Dan Patrick (40:47)

Look at what he just did.

Seaton (40:48)

I really don't find him amusing. I, I don't at all.

Dan Patrick (40:52)

Yeah, well, I don't like when he eats the W, but I, I think he's a wild card and he might have, he might bring a different energy in there.

Paulie (41:02)

Yes, Paulie, look at the Giants quarterbacks this week. Two are on TV and the other one's being critiqued for getting a hurt again. Yeah, we're thinking about a new segment. Dan is thrown out from the back room. Guys, dart or smart?

Dan Patrick (41:15)

Oh, wow.

Paulie (41:16)

Again, a little judgmental, a little harsh, a little too soon. Darter.

Dan Patrick (41:19)

Smart. Okay. All right, let's take a break. We're going to slide into the weekend. We'll look at all the big matchups in college and pro football. We'll do that next. Dan Patrick Show. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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Affiliates excludes Massachusetts, BYU, I believe they're 12 and a half point underdogs against Texas Tech. Texas Tech won the first matchup 29 7, Alabama and Georgia. Alabama, I believe, is getting two and a half in that game. Kaylin DeBoer already has two wins over Georgia and a short amount of time there at Alabama. He also had this to say about the rumors that he might want the Penn State job. We are extremely happy at Alabama. Love the challenge, love the grind, love this place. And there's never been any link, there's never been any conversation. There's never been any interest either way.

Paulie (46:03)

And so I'm glad we can put.

Dan Patrick (46:04)

That to bed right now. Okay, that's definitive. Two and a half months ago they were looking at the buyout of Kalyn DeBoer there at Alabama. Ohio State against Indiana. Ohio State against Indiana. What's the line on that game? Do we have?

Paulie (46:21)

I got Ohio State given four as of this morning.

Dan Patrick (46:24)

Okay.

Todd (46:25)

Wow.

Dan Patrick (46:25)

You got. Fernando Mendoza heading into the final weekend is tied with Diego Pavia for the best Heisman odds with Ohio State quarterback Julian Sayan. He's third on that list. Just say Colts and the Jags. Both teams are 8 and 4 fighting for the divisional crown in the AFC South. Who's excited about that? Colts, Jags. Come on, Marvin.

Marvin (46:51)

Nobody.

Paulie (46:53)

It's weirdly important though.

Dan Patrick (46:54)

Yes, it is. Yeah. The Colts are one and a half point favorites at the Jaguars. The Bears and the packers, the NF NFC's number one seed. The Bears take on the packers, who are 831 Bears coming off an impressive win against the Eagles. Can they continue to peak at the right time? Got the Bears getting six and a half at the packers slide into the weekend. Slider Sunday. Nothing like Kings Hawaiian. You'll find them in the bakery or deli section of your local grocery store. Make that watch party or tailgate special. Pick up a pack of Kings Hawaiian this weekend. All right, so those are some of the marquee matchups. You got conference championship games as well. Duke is getting four against Virginia. Ohio State getting four against the Ohio State. UNLV against Boise State. That'll be fun. Kennesaw State against Jacksonville State, taping that one. And Norton North Texas against Tulane. North Texas is giving two and a half against Tulane. And some of these schools, their coaches have already taken other jobs while their team is going to be playing in the championship game for their conference. And some of these coaches are able to stay. I mean, you don't have that bad blood. The animosity between ole Ms. And LSU. And then Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin, I think, is going to be on college game day. I think he's going to be there for the SEC title game. And this feels like this is a little bit of a spin doctoring here. Let me spin this because it's going to be friendly fire. He's going to be there with Coach Saban and it'll be, hey, everything's great. You did the right thing. Congratulations. And can't blame you. I'd have done the same thing. Yeah.

Paulie (48:39)

Paulie, it's the perfect atmosphere for Lane Kiffin to go to. You're not going to be grilled for 15 minutes by the guys on the set. They're going to have some fun. They'll ask you a real question or two. But then the crowd will get whipped up. He'll pump up the crowd. Go, go lsu. And they'll move on.

Dan Patrick (48:54)

Oh, I don't know if the crowd's going to be pumped up if Lane Kiffin's there going, hey, I guess I.

Paulie (48:58)

Just mean that the crowd isn't going to sit calmly for an in depth interview in front of 42,000 people. You know, it's going to be a casual interview.

Dan Patrick (49:07)

You know, if I'm Alabama or Georgia fan, I don't want to hear from Lane Kiffin. And, you know, they might let him hear that as well, but, yeah, it'll be. Yeah. I mean, I would love for Rhys Davis to ask Lane, what role did Coach Saban play in you taking the LSU job? Not to tell Reese how to do his job, but I guess I am. That would. I would. I would ask the question because Lane talked about the importance of talking to Coach Saban.

Dan Patrick (49:36)

Let's see. Tara in Columbia, South Carolina. Hi, Tara.

Dan Patrick (49:43)

Hey, Tara.

Dan Patrick (49:49)

Got phone calls. Availability here, Marvin. There we go. Hey, Dan, Tara.

H (49:55)

Hey, Dan. How's it going, guys?

Dan Patrick (49:57)

Great. What's on your mind?

H (49:58)

First time, but new fan. My fiance is the big fan, so I've been forced to listen to you guys quite often, but y' all are very entertaining. So, yeah, thanks for having. Thanks for having me on. I just want to make a comment. Stephen Wilson Jr. Came through Columbia, South Carolina a couple weeks ago. And my fiance, Bryce, he saw him on your show and just loved him. You know, obviously, what's not the love? He's so talented, and we've been looking to see his shows. And of course he's coming to Columbia, South Carolina. So he got tickets for his birthday, got us friends excited. We went to dinner. We're looking forward to it. And the server's like, there's no way there's a concert time. Like, yep, yep, it's tonight. They're like, well, there's no one here. Like, well, you know, he's kind of up and coming. He's new. And sure enough, an hour later, the server comes out and he's like, yeah, there's no concert across the street. And we were like, oh, my God. So we look at the tickets, and not only with a concert, not that night, but we had missed it from two days ago.

Dan Patrick (51:04)

Who took the blame, Tara?

H (51:05)

In general, he was that.

Dan Patrick (51:08)

Who took the blame.

H (51:10)

Oh, him. Bryce. So for sure, we were like, you're not in charge of tickets anymore.

Dan Patrick (51:15)

But, I mean, he.

H (51:16)

He knew he messed up.

Dan Patrick (51:18)

Yeah, Bryce is an idiot. But if you get a chance to see Stephen Wilson Jr. III, go do it.

Dan Patrick (51:26)

What's Bryce thinking? Come on, you're better than that.

Seaton (51:29)

Dart or smart. I think we know we're going.

Dan Patrick (51:31)

It's not very bright.

Seaton (51:32)

Or dartish.

Dan Patrick (51:33)

Dart.

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