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You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour two on this Tuesday. Dan and the Dan It's Dan Patrick show. More of your phone calls coming up. Interesting question about blue bloods in college basketball. Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, if you would like to watch all of this unfold, you can with Peacock, the NBC Sports network and of course our radio affiliates, iHeartradio, Fox Sports Radio. Roger Bennett, men in blazers, one of our favorite guests. He has a book out, new book out that'll be a number one New York Times bestseller. It has to do with the World cup and Reggie Miller, NBA on NBC. He'll join us coming up as well. 8, 7, 7, 3, DP show operator Tyler is going to take your phone calls coming up. Email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @dpshow Seaton Poll Question Results from hour one and then we'll look at hour two.

Fritzi Seaton (3:20)

Yeah, we got up there. Who would you rather watch a game with? You could watch football with Ross Tucker, soccer with Roger Bennett or basketball with Reggie Miller. Russ Tucker's got of that vote followed by Reggie Miller. A respectable 33.

Dan Patrick (3:31)

Okay.

Fritzi Seaton (3:31)

For sure. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then Paulie sent this one in. Who would you follow? Who would you follow in a fire?

Dan Patrick (3:39)

Follow.

Fritzi Seaton (3:39)

Follow in a fire as in the place is on fire and the five of us go in one different in different directions. Who are you following, Dan? Paul Seton?

Paulie (3:52)

Todd?

Fritzi Seaton (3:53)

Marvin?

Dan Patrick (3:53)

Well, not Todd.

Fritzi Seaton (3:54)

Well, he's an option.

Dan Patrick (3:56)

Yes. Not Todd. I don't know.

Fritzi Seaton (3:57)

I think Todd instinctively is going towards the safest places fast as humanly possible.

Dan Patrick (4:03)

He would go to the safest place. It would take him longer to get to the safest place. Therefore, it might not be the safest place by the time he got. But I could bring it to your

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Dan Patrick (4:13)

to get to and you guys can just speed ahead to that.

Fritzi Seaton (4:15)

That's kind of like the you don't have to outrun a bear, you just have to outrun the person you're with. Strategy.

Roger Bennett (4:21)

Yes.

Fritzi Seaton (4:21)

Got it.

Dan Patrick (4:22)

Yes, Got it. Because yesterday Todd was quick to leave the building. He left faster than Elvis left the building once the fire was raging out of control and the big German put it out. I know my limitations. I wasn't going to be able to figure out what's going on or how to put it out. So I might as well just save myself. No. And I respected that you weren't going to help. And you made sure you got out the door. I think I did say, guys, run. There's a fire. I might have done that. I don't know if that's helpful. While you were running.

Roger Bennett (4:49)

Yes.

Dan Patrick (4:51)

Your voice was trailing off from the parking lot. I think he said run. But you know, we've survived an earthquake here a couple of like six years ago. We survived the fire. It'll be known as the fire of 2026. But we, we're good. But thank, thanks once again to the big German who is a certified firefighter and he was ready with his equipment and, you know, if we had to break down the door, he had an ax to do that. Others have ax to grind. He has an ax that he would use just to free me from this side of the this potential disaster. All right, so Roger Bennett will join us. Coming up, we have our poll question for hour two. We had a caller at the end of last hour talking about Duke is not a blue blood basketball program because you have to have, I'm going to paraphrase here, at least two coaches at your university winning a national championship because Duke hasn't had that yet. Because Coach K was there for 40 years and John Shire has come close, but he has not won a national championship. But if you're going to sit here and tell me UCLA is a blue blood only because Jim Herrick won a title and to couple that with John Wooden, I'm not buying that. Joe B. Hall won a national title. Of course. Adolph Rupp at Kentucky, I don't know how many pro. Because there might be a couple of sneaky programs that won titles, but you wouldn't think that they were blue bloods. Yes.

Paulie (6:24)

Paulie, I've got a few definitions here, looking this up. Some are obvious. Elite, historically dominant D1 programs with multiple national titles, regular Final Four appearances over generations. Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, they started kind of in the late 70s being good, but they've been good for 45 years. Great, basically.

Dan Patrick (6:44)

Yeah. They weren't good when Coach K got there. UCLA wasn't great when Coach Wooden got there.

Paulie (6:50)

They look at UCLA as a blue blood who isn't as good as they used to be. But they are considered a blue blood. Kansas Jayhawks, of course, the Indiana hoosiers the past 20 years, not great, but they had a long run.

Dan Patrick (7:03)

Yeah, but they only won with Bob Knight.

Paulie (7:05)

Right.

Dan Patrick (7:06)

So that doesn't make him a blue blood. If you don't have another coach who won a national title. According to one of our listeners, I

Paulie (7:12)

like to call UConn a new blood. Because UConn, since 1999 is the most successful college basketball program, men's and women's. But Men's.

Dan Patrick (7:20)

Yeah, but the women's is not a blue blood because you've only had Geno there.

Paulie (7:24)

Right.

Dan Patrick (7:25)

According to this definition, which I don't buy into it. UConn, men's and women's blue bloods.

Paulie (7:30)

Should it be years, not amount of coaches?

Dan Patrick (7:34)

Yeah, I want. I want pro, prolonged dominance, consistency, high level basketball or, you know, what could be football as well. Yes, but I see the point, though,

Fritzi Seaton (7:48)

that you can have. You could be consistently great for 40 years, but if it's only with one guy, then it's really the guy that's great and not the program.

Dan Patrick (8:00)

Yeah, but we're giving UCLA credit for, you know, Jim Herrick winning a title. That. That made him a blue blood. Because they want a title and John wouldn't want all his titles.

Fritzi Seaton (8:10)

Yeah, no, I know. Maybe he shouldn't.

Dan Patrick (8:12)

Yeah. So what we're saying. Ucla, not a blue blood.

Fritzi Seaton (8:16)

Obviously

Dan Patrick (8:19)

they're blue ish. Like a light bluish blue blood. Yes. Marvin Villanova, Riley Massimino and Jay Wright. Yeah. Couple. I'm not sure if you would call them a blue blood, but they're blue blood ish. They've been really good for a long time. Well, with this definition, once again, I don't buy into that. So if Josh wins a national title this year, now Duke's a blue blood. The Duke blue bloods. Yes.

Fritzi Seaton (8:43)

There are some that obviously pass this new smell test, right?

Dan Patrick (8:48)

Yeah.

Fritzi Seaton (8:48)

Kentucky for sure. North Carolina for sure.

Dan Patrick (8:52)

Yeah. Kentucky's had three coaches win national titles. Kansas for Marvin, rup, Joby Hall, Patino Calipari. Patino won an actual title at Kentucky in 96. Oh, that's. I was there. I'm sorry, I'm old. Yeah. I was actually there at that game in the locker room afterwards. Okay. There's no other school that has four coaches to win national titles at the same school, do they? Yeah.

Roger Bennett (9:24)

Paul. Yeah.

Paulie (9:24)

Kentucky has Rupp, Joby Hall, Rick Pitino, Tubby Smith.

Dan Patrick (9:29)

They got five.

Paulie (9:31)

And John Calipari.

Roger Bennett (9:32)

Dang Tubby Tubby.

Paulie (9:34)

First year after Pitino left, I won with Patino's players, technically, he counts on his tab.

Fritzi Seaton (9:40)

Oh, apologies.

Roger Bennett (9:42)

Dang.

Fritzi Seaton (9:42)

Tubbinston.

Dan Patrick (9:43)

Okay, well, it is the Bluegrass State. Yeah. All right. Five coaches. That's as blue as you can be. Yeah. All right. Kind of interesting. I'm sure this audience will chip in with a few others there. I love listening to Jeff Teague. Jeff Teague has the Club 520 podcast, and he wasn't a great player, but he isn't honest broadcaster. He's a. He was a good player. You know, he's a guy that you. You remember the name and maybe you saw him a little bit. But when it comes to giving opinions, he is elite. And he talked about how Larry Bird would do in today's NBA. Watching Yokage highlights and y' all thinking how good Yokage is. How good you think Larry Bird would be right now? Larry Bird, he'd be a small forward version. You think he'd be like one of the best. Like, yeah, Larry Bird would do. Do this night in, night out. Sometimes. I used to watch, like, older people play. I used to be like, man, he ain't athletic. He ain't this. But then when I watch yoga, it's just like he walking around, he just make it look so simple. I'm like, if Larry Bird play right now, like Luca and Yokis just be walking around for sure. 10, 8 and. And these guys are right. We get caught up in all this guy couldn't play. Now Bird would be. He would have the green light to take 10 three pointers a game. Because back when he was playing, you might take two or three. That was it. It'd be really rare if he took more than three three pointers. You know, as far as passing, rebounding, scoring, he. He would be a smaller version of Joker. And I think Joker's the best player in the game because when he goes out there, he's gonna. He has the potential to give you 30, 15, and 10 every single night. And it used to be unheard of when you would put up those kind of numbers. Now I know we're scoring more, but these are still elite athletes. And he makes it look really, really easy. And it's not like he's going to slow down because he can't get any slower. And Bird was more athletic than Joker. He could lead the fast break. If you look when they played against the Lakers, the Celtics are running a fast break on Showtime. But Bird would not have any. I mean, would he have problems or is. Yeah, he would, but he would be great. And, you know, he might be able to prolong his career, better conditioning, help his back. But Larry Bird would dominate. He would be a great player. And I go with LeBron's best year ever and Larry's best year. And I think they were around 29. And Larry was a better player than LeBron, like on the offensive side, better player. And I Don't know. I think LeBron made a few old NBA defensive teams, but, I mean, he was more an off the ball, just like Bird. Bird played the passing lanes. He wasn't guarding anybody. Really. Yeah.

Paulie (12:48)

Pauling at the end of that riff, one of the guys says Bird these days, he'd average 30, 10, and 8.

Dan Patrick (12:53)

Yeah.

Paulie (12:54)

His last year before he hurt his back, he averaged 30, 10 and 8.

Dan Patrick (12:57)

Yeah.

Paulie (12:57)

And he'd be shooting, like you said, twice as many threes.

Dan Patrick (13:00)

Yeah, he would still, you know, once again, having been there and watched it at a very, very high level, it's like, oh, would Magic be able to. Yes, Magic would be able to be, you know, Rick Barry, who's one of the most underrated players in the history of the sport. These guys were all great. They know how to play basketball. Yes.

Fritzi Seaton (13:21)

What if Larry Bird started putting up all those shots and missed a lot of them, and then his legacy was significantly diminished where he was then considered overrated because, look, he can't shoot threes.

Dan Patrick (13:31)

I take my chance on Larry shooting threes.

Fritzi Seaton (13:34)

What if all this. What if it didn't work out for him and that's why he only took three, because he wasn't really that great of a shooter?

Dan Patrick (13:39)

Well, when you have people say, if your life was on the line and you wanted somebody to take a three pointer, your actual life, limited window, really, to see.

Fritzi Seaton (13:47)

It's really very small.

Dan Patrick (13:50)

Yeah, Larry. Larry would be great. He would be.

Fritzi Seaton (13:53)

But if everybody knew he was that great of a shooter, then why didn't they let him shoot?

Dan Patrick (13:57)

It wasn't part of the offensive philosophy.

Fritzi Seaton (13:59)

Yeah, but if you have this kind of shooter and you're like, man, this dude's knocking him down like crazy. Why don't we just let him rip?

Dan Patrick (14:05)

Well, they didn't do that for Reggie. Yeah.

Fritzi Seaton (14:06)

Why not?

Dan Patrick (14:08)

That's the offensive philosophy back then. It was about getting the ball inside. It was still. It was an interior game. Yeah.

Paulie (14:19)

Paul, it's a really fair question. Why didn't Larry Bird take eight threes a game? He. He took 2.9, the most he ever took in a season. Like you said, the sport was just totally different and that have been too radical. It's almost like Dan Marino. Why didn't Dan Marino happen a decade earlier? The sport hadn't morphed yet. To have that opening or have a coach that would push for that.

Dan Patrick (14:38)

Yeah. And you see basketball now, and, you know, I always bring up Loyola merriment, what they did even go back to Rick Patino's team at Providence and What he did there, using the three pointer, that wasn't a good team, but he made them a great team because he had an offensive philosophy. And I think Paul Westhead with Loyola Marymount, to have that creative, you know, even with football, you know, when, when you're running, if it was the west coast offense or you're running a pistol or whatever, you know, June Jones, who was the other guy from Texas, there was another coach, Houston Mouse Davis. Yes, yes, Mouse Davis. You know, these guys were innovators. But the NBA was pretty boring, conservative. The ABA brought out the best in the NBA because except for the red, white and blue ball, which I'd be fine if they brought that back. I. Watching that ABA documentary, man, I. I loved shooting with that red, white and blue ball. Just getting the spin. Yeah. It just. You could see the rotation as it went into the net. Marvin. Oh, no, I get you. Oh, let me ask you a question. Okay. A bigger ego, everybody on earth or Rick Barry,

Paulie (15:55)

That old question.

Dan Patrick (15:56)

But he was a killer. He was great. He was great. But he'll tell you about. But he will. Yeah, Rick Barry was great. Just ask Rick Barry. But what he did with that Golden State team, and they won a. They won the NBA championship. And that, that was Rick Barry. Now, he had a great assortment of players, role players, but the other player that he had was Jamal Wilkes. I think Silk Wilkes was there, but they didn't have, you know, undersized guards. And Rick Barry, he was, he was a great player. Great player. Yes. Marvin, is he in the Moses Malone category, where you don't talk about him enough or the general public don't talk about him enough? The way we talk about maybe Magic and Michael and those guys. Well, there was nothing, you know, I talk about Moses that artistically stylistic, it wasn't pleasing to watch. He was just relentless. Like his, his jumper was over his head and a little off balance. It wasn't a good jumper, jump shot. But on the boards, he's probably the best that I ever saw offensively and defensively combined. Now we can put Wilt Russell in there, but I'm just talking about modern day. And Moses was great, but he came along, came out of high school, went to the aba. You know, they. Maybe you missed some of that early career. It's like Dr. J. I mean, Dr. J. God, his best years in the ABA. He was just different. He was different than anybody else. And. But this gives you an idea. That's what I loved about the ABA documentary. It's a lot of interviews, a lot of guys still alive that they talked to and very enjoyable. It brought back a lot of memories and the fact that I'm watching the Kentucky Colonels in person and they're playing the Spirits of St. Louis and you got Dan Issel and Artist Gilmore and then you had Marvin Bad News Barnes. I think Fly Williams on the team. I think Bob Costas was the broadcaster.

Paulie (18:06)

Yes, he was.

Dan Patrick (18:07)

Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Fritzi Seaton (18:09)

Marvin Bad News Barnes. Sounds like a boxer.

Dan Patrick (18:12)

Well, he went to prison.

Fritzi Seaton (18:13)

Okay.

Dan Patrick (18:14)

Played at Providence with Ernie Diggorio.

Fritzi Seaton (18:16)

Sounds like a dude who's like the bantamweight.

Dan Patrick (18:20)

He was not bantam.

Roger Bennett (18:21)

Whatever. I don't know.

Dan Patrick (18:22)

He was 6, 9. He was bad News Marvin Bad News Barnes. I did a story when I was at espn. I visited him in a California lockup and that was surreal because you do the interview obviously in kind of the general area and people thought he was getting preferential treat like they were just yelling stuff, trying to do an interview. And yeah, that was to see him, that he had fallen that far, that he was in prison, I think outside of San Diego. All right, when we come back, Roger Bennett, men in blazers and his book on the World Cup. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show.

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Dan Patrick (23:36)

Got a book in the mail the other day. Realized it was from Roger Bennett. And I said, fritzi, we gotta get Mr. Men in Blazers the media network now. He's got an empire. He's Roger Bennett. He's the founder CEO of Men in Blazers Media Network. Fully British, but fully American as well. It's called We Are the World Cup, A Personal history of the World's Greatest Sporting Event. Great to have you back.

Roger Bennett (24:07)

Oh, Dan. Patrick. It's a joy to see you. Beautiful.

Dan Patrick (24:10)

How are you? How's morale?

Roger Bennett (24:12)

I'm alive, Dan. Which is better than the other option, but only just, is the honest truth in every regard. These are the best of times, the worst of times. We're 100 days out from a World cup, and the world is. Is making it quite complicated. I'm not going to lie.

Dan Patrick (24:30)

Okay, if you're going to pitch to somebody 30 seconds and you're going to say, you got to watch the World cup, how would you use those 30 seconds to say, you got to watch this event?

Roger Bennett (24:44)

Oh, tell them to buy my book. Because it's a magical telling of the power of the men's tournament, which I've come to realize, Dan. It's like a solar eclipse that engulfs the entire planet for its duration. Who doesn't want to be part of that?

Dan Patrick (25:00)

I think that was even less than 30 seconds there.

Roger Bennett (25:03)

You know, time is money, Dan. And you know, you know that when the Boston Red Sox play the Oakland Athletics, it's a fantastic game of baseball. It's like chess with chewing tobacco. But when two teams take their nation's shirts onto a football field, their nation's history, their nation's politics, their nation's cultures take the field alongside them. It's a mirror to humanity. It's a mirror to our world. I think Walt Whitman, if he was alive today, he'd be a big football fan. He'd say, it contains multitudes. And then the. The only other thing I'd say before we get into this in our dark world, Our world of chaos, the World Cup. 200 million people watch the super bowl, max, probably at this point, 5 billion people watch the World Cup. And so it's the last thing that completely electrically, globally connects us in, Please, God, a positive way. And we really need that right now.

Dan Patrick (26:01)

Yeah, but you don't shy away from the geopolitical portion of the World Cup. And it's certainly what's going on now. Teams that are countries that are going to be in, like, is Iran not going to be in? And then who do you put in if Iran's not going to be playing in the World Cup?

Roger Bennett (26:17)

You know, who quite possibly could come in if Iran don't get in? Because they're already 36 hours into the weekend's darkness, the head of the Iran Football Federation said, yep, we may not be able to play in this World cup. In Los Angeles and Seattle, it would be Iraq. Dan.

Dan Patrick (26:37)

Oh, wow.

Roger Bennett (26:38)

Yeah. To your question, it's why I wrote the book, which starts in 1978, the first World Cup. I remember every four years, it's the spine of my life. Spite of so many Americans, life now this, you know, this incredible tournament that is so rare and almost like, you know, Dylan albums. For Dylan aficionados, the World cup is an alternate way for me of re examining my own biography. And again, millions of people around the world feel the same. I've always felt the joy of football is that it is a mirror to the world that surrounds it. In all seriousness, it's always been very beautiful to me. When the World cup was in South Africa in 2010, Mandela, South Africa, and we got to see a whole continent rise and seize the world's spotlight. It's very, very profound. It's very, very beautiful. We come to realize in modern times that the mirror stays true even when the world becomes chaotic and ugly. It's kind of where we are right now. And as you say, the geopolitics could not be more complicated. It's fairly unprecedented that this situation, not just the US Situation, you know, Mexico, the violence there in Guadalajara, a World cup city, let's just say Canada as the third host. Looking pretty bloody good right now.

Dan Patrick (27:59)

You look at the US Team, and it feels like in a different generation, with Landon Donovan and Tim Howard, like we knew them. This team, I don't know if they're going to be more talented. I don't know if they're better. But it doesn't feel like we know this American team as much as we did that team, you know, from, you know, a few years ago.

Roger Bennett (28:20)

And that crazy, because football's never been more popular in the United States than it is now. The Economist a couple of weeks ago revealed that soccer is America's third favorite sport. Just pushed out baseball. 10% of Americans say soccer is their favorite sport of choice. Baseball at 9%. I was laughing. I went on a Rod show and he kept asking me variations of the same question, which was like, when's soccer going to take off in the United States? I was like, hey, Rod, it's just edged out your baseball, baby. I felt like I did. I. I felt like I was saying, the world is round a Rod and you are a flat earther. So the sport's never been more popular. We have a young audience that's grown World cup to World cup across this nation. And the crazy thing that's happened is in the olden days, we used to cheer the US Team just by default because it was like what you had. But now this young audience, they cheer for Liverpool, they cheer for Arsenal, they cheer for Paris Saint Germain, they cheer for Barcelona, Real Madrid. They are watching 24 7. And you're right, it does feel like the US team has almost gone into a bubble. And I do hope as one of the storylines, because we've never had more talented male players individually than we currently have right now playing on bigger teams and bigger games and bigger tournaments are women kick ass and take names and actually win things. But the men's team need to make some noise at this tournament to make our nation really care.

Dan Patrick (29:46)

Does Christian Pulisic want to be the face? Does he want to be bigger? Because you have to put yourself out there to want to be the face of U.S. soccer.

Roger Bennett (29:57)

You will have to get Christian Pulisic on to answer that question himself. He is a.

Dan Patrick (30:01)

We've tried. He. He doesn't do much.

Roger Bennett (30:04)

Who doesn't say yes to deep. I agree.

Dan Patrick (30:07)

I agree.

Roger Bennett (30:07)

Okay, Get Fritzi on the case, man. I mean, I'll say. I first interviewed Christian when he was 16. He is the most talented, the most accomplished young male footballer our nation's ever produced in terms of playing at the biggest games for the biggest teams, consistently scoring. You know, Clint Dempsey is. Is the most remarkable in terms of his, you know, thriving in Europe. What Christian has done is without a doubt what he can do with a football, is without a doubt peerless. He's also incredibly quiet. He's also incredibly introverted. But he's also the gentleman who's cursed early by a reality TV show at a porn store where they were trying to explain how much A Christian politics signed jersey should be. And that the porn shop owner goes, oh, Dude's like the LeBron James of soccer. So that's kind of cursed him. And he is the commercial face. You'll see him in every ad. The one Sir David Beckham is going to be all over our World Cup. But, like, he. Given the choice, does he want to do it? The honest truth is he's made it very clear he doesn't. He loves playing football. It's where he speak. I mean, you know, athletes like this in the M, in the NBA, in the NFL, they like to do their talking on the court. That's who Christian Pulisic is in his heart.

Dan Patrick (31:34)

And so Pulisic reminds me of Mike Trout from the Angels. Mike Trout. You know, it's like we're waiting for him to show his personality. He's not going to, hey, you got to be the face of the sport. It's not happening here. It's. It's like, you know, Weston McKinney might be the guy that people focus on and go, all right, that guy, you know, he wants to be maybe a little bit more.

Roger Bennett (31:58)

Yeah. I mean, Chris Richards, who plays in the Crystal palace in the Premier League, this child of Birmingham, Alabama, who, you know has made it to the Premier

Dan Patrick (32:07)

League, you have not really acknowledged.

Roger Bennett (32:11)

I'm bloody blown away, Dan, in your arc. Can I just say. I mean, I tell you, I tell a story in the book about how I started to do Morning Joe in 2010. Way ahead of football. Really taking off here, Joe Scott. But just love the Premier League would have me on. It was crazy. Like, they'd be doing, like, stagflation, the recession in the economy with Mike Bloomberg. And then they'd be like, and here's Roger Bennett.

Dan Patrick (32:33)

And I'd be like, yo.

Roger Bennett (32:35)

So I drop in and. And the second. Second time I was on, Tom Brokar stopped me and goes, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. And I said, what, Tom? And he goes, why are we talking about Sam soccer on. On money when we have baseball and young Americans love baseball and we should be talking about baseball. And he went off on me for five minutes. I didn't get a word in, but in my own head, I was like, I can't interrupt Tom Bruo. It's like the Queen. You don't interrupt the. And he just. He danced on my graves, you know, spat me out. And I walked off set without getting a word in. I felt like that big. And they said, come on next week, Rog. I was like, really? You want me on after that man has just emasculated me. And every time, for two years, every time he was on set, I'd be like, get Broker off. And they will, they will Brokar off. They'd wheel him off. You go, grandpa. And then two years on, they had him on. And I was like, get Broker off, though. You got to go on going live. Three, two, one. And I started, I was like, you know Manchester. And Brokaw goes, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I was like, I was like, what Brokar? What do you want, man? And Ruka goes, I used to hate soccer. I was like, I know. You scarred me for several years, Tom. And he goes, and now every Christmas I go with my son in laws to England to watch four or five Premier League games. And. And we fly coach. And I realize when we've got Tom Bruot in our football camp tomorrow night in Houston, we're doing a live show with J.J. watt, you know, that child of Wisconsin who grew up playing hockey and gridiron football. When we've got Broa and we've got J.J. watt and we got Dan Patrick dropping names, I think we've kind of made. Is this the moment football makes it in America?

Dan Patrick (34:13)

I think so. Roger Bennett, the founder CEO of Men and Blazers Media Network and his book released today, We Are the World Cup. A personal history of the world's greatest sporting event. But you bring up an interesting point of you're building a brand in a country, soccer, men's soccer, trying to build a brand in the same country here. And the challenges of being able to do that. It feels like you've been more successful than maybe the US Men's team has in building that brand.

Roger Bennett (34:45)

Why it's the story of my lifetime is coming over here. 1994, the last time the Men's World cup was here. Going into the World cup, there was a study released. I tell this story in the book where they said soccer is the 67th most populous sport in America. Tractor pulling is 66 again. Everyone taking a dump on soccer. They were like, doom. Saying, like, this is going to be a disaster. No one's going to go the games. I went to the game in Chicago. I didn't have any money for a ticket just to mill around in case no one turned up to try and look like a third cousin at a wedding. Just like to make the background in the photos kind of feel a little liver. It was mobbed. Americans love a circus. They love an excuse to daytime drink. Still the best attended World cup ever. It will be broken. Please God this summer. And it was meant to make America a football loving nation. 94 like space. To Captain Kirk, the final frontier was what the US was. But it didn't, it didn't happen overnight. Instead, it's happened organically, authentically. Instead of soccer becoming like a yo yo or a hula hoop, like an overnight sensation, a fad, the roots have really deeply, beautifully. It's been the story of my life, Dan, watching young Americans, our audience 18 to 24, fall in love with soccer, Men's soccer, women's soccer. It's an enormous Hispanic audience in the United States. And Americans love the best. You're drawn to the best. The NFL, best in the world. Sorry, Canadian Football League, the NBA, best in the world. And the complicated thing for soccer, Dan, is that the best in the world is played in England, the Premier League. And ultimately that's where the audience has really been captivated. With the rise of streaming, the rise of cable, the being able to see games live every week, follow along via the Internet. That changed everything. Allowed young Americans to connect to these teams from Los Angeles as if they were in Liverpool. And that's what's kind of driven the connection. What's amazing is that, you know, young Americans have now fallen in love. Young Americans like Tom Brooker have fallen in love with the sport. What's amazing is, and it's not discussed enough, the Premier League is now owned majority by Americans. The most. You know, over half the teams have American owners. Not just the Red Sox, Tom Werner, John Henry, running Liverpool, the Dodgers, Todd Burley and his group, running Chelsea, Manchester United, the Buccaneers group, the Glazers. For good or for bad, and so on and so on. It's incredible. Like, you know, America, we are essentially after this World cup, going to be taking football again, complicated, for good and for bad, into the American age, which is. Which is crazy.

Dan Patrick (37:27)

Give me the best case scenario for this United States team.

Roger Bennett (37:30)

Oh, Dan. I mean, football, if it's not about optimism and hope and delusion, then I don't know what it is. And I do a dream of these boys, you know, Tyler Adams, this young guy from Wappinger's Falls, New York, who drove six hours every day for five days a week for seven years to train in New York City. I mean, the sacrifice, the dreams, the hunger. I dream for them. I really do. I mean, the bottom line is it's crazy. Our women kick ass and take names. Or men in this nation where we put a man on the moon, we invented the kroner, amongst other things. We've won One bloody knockout game in the. You know, going back to George Washington in the World Cup. That's crazy. Morocco got into the semi final with joy and verve and audacity. We've won one knockout game in our nation's history.

Dan Patrick (38:26)

You're stalling. I need to know what is the best case scenario here.

Roger Bennett (38:30)

What am I going to say? We're going to win it all. It's a dream of every night. That's the best case scenario that could happen. I will take that bet on the from you, Dan, if you believe that. I hope it happens once in my lifetime, Dan, that's. I don't ask for much, man. I don't ask for much.

Dan Patrick (38:47)

Look, what if England won?

Roger Bennett (38:50)

Oh, they'll be unbearable. Won't they be unbearable? What if England win? America get ready for the sight of growing men bending over and all I can say firing fireworks out of cavities. You did not know it was possible to fire a firework out of. That's crazy, man. You just asked me the equivalent of what. What if Charlie Brown can kick, can kick a field. Go with Lucy holding. I mean, England loses. England self sabotages. England creates trauma. That's what England does. England winning.

Dan Patrick (39:25)

Is anybody better at losing than England?

Roger Bennett (39:29)

Oh, why did the Chicago White Sox just pop into my head and you caused me pain? No, no, I mean, I have a. Above my head, I have a book which is a biography of English World cup campaign.

Dan Patrick (39:42)

You also have the Tracy Chapman album, your shoulder.

Roger Bennett (39:45)

Oh, Tracy, come on my show. You're the one guest we've never had. She was a soccer player at Tufts. Three goals, two assists. Just come on, come be with me. No. You know why I have that on there is because when my team, I support Everton, we're very bad at football. When we lose, which is often. I put Tracy Chapman fast car on and I realize the agony I'm feeling is nothing compared to the pain that Tracy knows. In the. In the epigraph of my book, there's a. I used a line from the Uruguayan poet Eduardo Galliano, who said, football is a pleasure that hurts. And the. So England, they hurt the nation. They raise their hopes, they shatter them. The book I have above my head is called 40 Years of Shite. Am I allowed to say that on the other side, which is just kind of captures where they are. I support America now anyway, baby, so I honestly don't care.

Dan Patrick (40:35)

He's Roger Bennett, founder CEO of Men and Blazers Media Network. And the book released today, we're 100 days out. We are the world Cup A Personal History, the World's greatest supporting event. Pleasure to talk to you again. Good luck with the book.

Roger Bennett (40:49)

Danny. Thanks for having us. I love you. I love your team. It's really a joy to be with you.

Dan Patrick (40:53)

Thank you, Bud. We'll come back. We'll get to phone calls right after this.

Roger Bennett (40:57)

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Dan Patrick (45:00)

results seaton for the second hour.

Fritzi Seaton (45:04)

Yeah, we got up there for the second hour. Who would you follow to safety in a fire, Dan? The front row or the back row? Now I'm, I'm just going to throw this out there. I feel slightly handicapped in that. No offense, Todd. Oh, I mean the back row is going to lose this one.

Dan Patrick (45:25)

Yes. Yes.

Fritzi Seaton (45:26)

I don't think it's because of me, but it might be.

Dan Patrick (45:30)

I would follow the back room guys. That included the big German and his brother then.

Paulie (45:36)

Okay.

Dan Patrick (45:37)

Yeah, I should throw the.

Fritzi Seaton (45:38)

I should throw the BRGs in there.

Roger Bennett (45:39)

Yeah, right.

Dan Patrick (45:41)

Dylan might be able to figure out a way to get out of the building.

Fritzi Seaton (45:46)

I mean, there's a lot of doors here.

Dan Patrick (45:48)

So what are the results so far?

Fritzi Seaton (45:51)

Right now, 47 of the audience would follow you.

Dan Patrick (45:54)

No.

Fritzi Seaton (45:55)

Then the front row, then the back row.

Dan Patrick (45:57)

Yeah. People are going to want to try to keep me alive, at least for the next two years. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. Couple more phone calls. Andrew in Washington. Hi, Andrew. What's on your mind today?

Andrew (46:12)

Oh, good morning, Dan. Dan, it's. Thanks for taking my call. Well, you know, that left turn as far as blue blood, you know, programs in the NCAA tournament kind of got me going. I'm a big blue. Blue Devil fan. They do put blue and blue bloods you can't have. You know, as far as top four in national championships, top three in tournament wins, top two and number one seeds ever, 11 championship games, 17 final fours. Doesn't matter who's coaching. It matters if you win. You know, you're talking two coaches for. For a program. North Carolina State and Ohio State. They're blue bloods. No, I don't think so. Florida Gators, maybe, but they're not quite up to that upper echelon of consistency. And Duke has five double digit wins overranked opponents this year, which is the most by any program since 2001 or 2002. So there's my argument. Stay in your lane. Don't argue about Duke. You're just.

Dan Patrick (47:04)

All right. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you. Yeah, I just want sustainability, that's all. I don't think you need to have another coach to come in and win and win a title and then you become a blue blood, you know, Tubby Smith winning another title for Kentucky doesn't change my opinion of Kentucky. They're a blue blood. Absolutely. Louisville basketball, they had two different coaches. Great run. Not as of late, but, you know, when Denny Crumb was there, man, when, you know, they had Darrell Griffith, Dr. Duncan Stein. Golly, were they a fun team. When Louisville played Houston, was that the semifinals?

Paulie (47:48)

Yep.

Dan Patrick (47:50)

Oh, my goodness. That was just up and down. They were doing things that, you know, maybe a tenth of a per 1% of people in the United States playing basketball could do, maybe even less than that.

Paulie (48:08)

Yes, Paulie, that was the semifinal. Houston won 94, 81 in Albuquerque. Hakeem, the dreams on the team. Clyde Drexler is on the team. I mean, there's some star power, but

Dan Patrick (48:19)

because of the result of that game, nobody thought NC State could beat Houston because. And back then they didn't have a shot clock. And Jim Valvano outsmarted Guy Lewis. He outsmarted him because he was like, we're going to take the air out of this. We're going to make every possession matter to you. And every time you get the ball, you know, you better score, you better make your free throws. And Valvano won a national championship. Yes.

Paulie (48:48)

Paulie Houston came out of the tunnel sporting five slam a jama warm up shirts is the first time they've ever worn them. They dunked 14 times in the game as a team.

Dan Patrick (48:56)

Yeah, it was something to see. It was. That was. That was. I've seen a lot, but that's one of those games where you go, this is being played at a different altitude. And it was because it was literally at a different altitude. Yeah.

Fritzi Seaton (49:15)

See, was there a portion of the population that reacted negatively to that many dunks?

Dan Patrick (49:21)

I don't remember that.

Fritzi Seaton (49:23)

It feels like that's one of those moments where it's like, this isn't basketball. That's not the game.

Dan Patrick (49:28)

Well, okay, maybe if you grew up in the 50s.

Fritzi Seaton (49:32)

Well, I mean, that would have been the generational split, right?

Dan Patrick (49:34)

Yeah, babe.

Fritzi Seaton (49:35)

That's not the game I grew up watching.

Dan Patrick (49:37)

What are these guys doing? Jumping. Yeah.

Fritzi Seaton (49:39)

Fundamentals. You don't just place it in there, you shoot it.

Dan Patrick (49:42)

Yes. They're dribbling behind their back. What are they doing? Not the game. Who told the announcers to sound like that back then? Because all the announcers sound like that. Was it Hollywood? I'll have half a pound of ham

Fritzi Seaton (49:59)

and some cheddar cheese. Hey, that how you order your.

Dan Patrick (50:02)

I recognize that voice. You're the voice of the New York Football Giants. No problem, sir.

Fritzi Seaton (50:08)

We've got that coming up right for you.

Dan Patrick (50:10)

I think it was Hollywood that created that. Was it the news reels? Remember, you go to a movie theater.

Paulie (50:16)

Yes.

Dan Patrick (50:17)

And they would do the. And the Titanic sank on this day.

Paulie (50:23)

I found a lot of those. And they have that tone.

Fritzi Seaton (50:26)

They're like doing like war updates and stuff.

Dan Patrick (50:28)

Go get them, boys. What? Go get them. This is how we find out, like,

Fritzi Seaton (50:34)

what's happening in the world.

Dan Patrick (50:35)

You go to the movies. I know.

Fritzi Seaton (50:37)

Going to watch a picture show. Let's get an update on the front lines of Germany.

Roger Bennett (50:40)

Go get them, boys.

Dan Patrick (50:42)

Like what? That's it.

Paulie (50:45)

They started the 1910s news reels during movies. And they were big in the 30s and 40s.

Dan Patrick (50:50)

Yeah. We won. Yes. A win for the red, white and blue. Yes. Don't mess with us. Final hour on the way. Reggie Aloysius Miller Jr. III will stop by more phone calls as well. Fritzi Seaton, Marv Paulie, yours truly. And the back room guys.

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