Dan Patrick (1:54)

Health, healing, growth and everything you need to step into your next season whole and empowered.

Paulie (2:01)

New Year.

Dan Patrick (2:02)

Real you listen to checking in with.

Paulie (2:04)

Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Wednesday, Dan and the Danites Dan Patrick Show. Alex Smith, former quarterback, now working for the Mothership, will stop by. We will talk about Steelers and some of these coaching vacancies, but also look ahead to the games coming up this weekend. You got Bills, Broncos. Saturday you got the Niners and the Seahawks. And then Sunday, Texans, Patriots, Rams and the Bears. I'm looking at some scenarios here. DraftKings just sent me this. The super bowl exact result odds the matchup that is the favorite according to DraftKings. Marvin, I'll start with you this is the matchup that is leading the way.

Dan Patrick (3:02)

Broncos, Rams.

Paulie (3:03)

Broncos. Rams. Paul. Bill.

Dan Patrick (3:08)

Seahawks.

Paulie (3:10)

Seaton. Bill's Rams. Todd.

Dan Patrick (3:19)

Seahawks.

Paulie (3:20)

Bills. Seahawks. Patriots. Seahawks. Patriots. Let's run it back. Leading the way. Let's run it back. Yeah. Call a different play at the goal line. Let's run it back. Yes. Then it's the Rams, Patriots and Seahawks. Broncos and Seahawks. They love the Seahawks here. So the Seahawks are of the top four super bowl matchups. The Seahawks are involved in three of those. Patriots involved in two of those. Then you have Rams, Broncos, Rams, Bills, Patriots, Seahawks. Then you have down the list, Broncos, Seahawks. Is the 10th best option. Yes. So is this one of those things where they really believe in the Seahawks and Patriots or are they just daring you to bet it? Like they want your money? So they're. They did that with those odds to like, oh, yeah, get people in. But I don't know if people are buying into Seattle. Therefore those odds would be okay. Now I'm going to put my money on the this for Seattle to have the best odds to go to the Super Bowl. I would be going in on somebody when I go in on, well, these are the super bowl odds. So it's Seattle, then the Rams, then down it's Patriots, Bills, Broncos, Texans, Bears, Niners. If I was betting, I'd probably go with the Bears, Niners, one of those, you know, long, long odds. Seattle as the best odds. By the way, the gambling podcast this week, we will have that up on the website after the show. We'll be taping it today with Shay and Irving, Dylan and also bad Larry 8773, DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app. Say good morning to those who are listening to the program as well. Feels like every couple of days I give you an update on what's happening with the college football playoffs. Just got some information there. Now they're going to make this decision for next year's playoff format a week from Friday. From what I'm told, the Big Ten still wants a 24 team championship. Now this is what might be going on. According to my source. He says, I think there might be an agreement to go to 16 with some commitment to either consider going to 24 or actually going to 24 teams in three years. Within three years. But the Big Ten wants to increase the value of its regular season contracts because its media agreements only run through 2030. But just some of the information that, as we've talked about for the last six weeks, it feels like we're going to 16, but the Big Ten wants to have 24. They will make this decision. Now, there's a chance they stay at 12 because they can't agree on the 16 and they don't want to go to 24. But that'll be a week from Friday. They make that announcement. Yes. Marvin, if they go to 24 teams.

Dan Patrick (6:30)

Is there going to be more college football games than NFL games? He's got to be playing 17, 18 games.

Paulie (6:36)

Well, that's what they have to figure out of how many games is enough, how many games is too much. And nobody has brought that up. You know, you know, how many games are you going to have to play if you win a national title? You're going to play 18, 19 games. Are you, are you going to get to 20 games? But, you know, I'll ask my source who's listening now and if he has information, I'll pass that on to you. Seaton poll question. What are we going to go with an hour two? Yeah, let me update you from hour one because I think it's kind of fun. No, but almost nobody has Mike Tomlin coaching again next year, which I find interesting.

Dan Patrick (7:12)

Right now.

Paulie (7:13)

63% have him in the media and 28% have him on the beach playing Sudoku. Do you want to dive into this hour? Replacements for Mr. Tomlin? Yeah, I think it's challenging because then you're saying to people, hey, Jesse Minter. Nobody knows anything about Jesse Minter except for really good defensive coordinator. But if you want to put candidates down. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay, great. Like Chris Shula. Nobody knows him other than his grandfather was Don Shuler defensive coordinator for the Rams. I don't know if you get a wild card there where you go, wow, be curious to see where Marcus Freeman ends up. Yeah, you know him, he's worth. I'm definitely going to put him on that list. I figure he would be ideal. You think so? I, you know, as a steeler candidate, he's 40, defensive minded guy, played defense in college, Notre Dame head coach. You bring him in and I would think people would view that as that's an upgrade. Really? Yeah, I think so. I mean, he's highly thought of, but, you know, it might be just he looks like a head coach. I get the candidate part of it. Yes, he's very impressive when you look at him, but man, that's a big jump. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Paul, in the past eight seasons, the.

Dan Patrick (8:38)

Steelers have not had a top 15 offense. Maybe they go counter and hire an.

Paulie (8:42)

Offensive guy and then a great defensive coordinate. Okay, here's something to keep in mind with this so called great defense in Pittsburgh in the last two games, the Steelers defense allowed completions of 26 yards, 33 yards, 36 yards, 38 yards, 46 yards, 50 yards, 64 yards. It's not a great defense and it's certainly not a great offense. They are average and no more Aaron Rodgers. Where are you getting your quarterback? We brought up Sam Darnold last year we brought up Sam Darnold would be a great quarterback for the Steelers to go and get and you could have had him. He's a good quarterback in his prime. You went all in on Aaron Rodgers. I think you thought you had a Super bowl caliber team. But if you had Sam Darnold. Now, I'm not saying Sam is a great quarterback. I think he was unfairly marred by what happened with the jets, as most people are. But at least I have a future at that position. And right now you have nothing but Mason Rudolph. Yeah, Seaton.

Dan Patrick (9:55)

Yeah.

Paulie (9:55)

I feel, I feel like if you're building around something, you start with, you know, whatever marquee players you have. Right. I don't know who you build around now. Like I'm not building around TJ Watt. I've seen his best work, that it's an older team. Jalen Ramsey, I don't know. Icon offense. I'm not the biggest DK Metcalf fan, but all right, maybe he can turn out to be, you know, T.J. watts, 31. Yeah, he's really the only marquee player that you have at this point, right? Yeah, I guess if you want to consider DK Metcalf. Is he Marquis? It's good name, but not really. Yeah, I mean, he's more a curiosity for me where I watch him, you know, Mount Washington, their tight end. Yeah, that's a curiosity as well. But I don't look at that team and I mean, Baltimore has a ton of talent. Ton of talent. Pittsburgh doesn't. Yeah, see, that's why I think that the, the next head coach in Baltimore. I don't know, it sounds weird to say maybe, but I don't know what that person's gonna do with Lamar Jackson. Well, it's like a blessing and a curse at the same time because you have this guy who is just electric, absolute MVP candidate pretty much every single year. He also seems to run the team. But, you know, he's getting to a certain age where at some Point he's gonna start really tailing off, if he hasn't already. And your employment is going to be directly tied to how do you handle Lamar Jackson for the next four years. I know it's tough because he's not running as much as he did before. He has also been banged up. You got to factor that in as well. The Ravens owner held a press conference and he, Steve Biscotti, and he talked about Lamar Jackson having input on who's the next coach. Eric made it clear to Lamar that.

Dan Patrick (11:52)

When we get down here talking to him, I think he's texting Lamar after.

Paulie (11:56)

Every, after every interview, whether it's zoom or in person.

Dan Patrick (12:00)

And I think he's getting some opinions from Lamar. I said to Lamar last night, when they call me up from Florida, you better get your ass up here too, because if you want to do the interviewing, these are going to be full day meetings like they were 18 years ago. So I said to Lamar, you can jump on my plane or find another way to get up there, but if you're interested, that interested, then we're going to get a schedule. He's going to call me up. He's going to offer you the same luxury.

Paulie (12:30)

And I said, I hope you take it. And he said, yes, sir, I think I will. Okay. All right. Having some fun, having some laughs there. Lamar Jackson involved in the process here. How about we find an offensive coordinator who meshes with Lamar Jackson? That to me would be a really key ingredient to this team. Are they going to do anything? Big picture? There are certain quarterbacks who are great regular season quarterbacks. There's, we know a handful of quarterbacks when they get to the postseason, it's just different. We've seen that down through history. You get to the postseason and you go, he's just different. Lamar is not different. That's been the problem. He can be the best quarterback, but I need you to be the best quarterback at the biggest time of the year and he has not been. Now, can I put that on Harbaugh? Sure. Have they had misfortune here? Ms. Field Goal, a couple of drop passes or fumbles along the way. But that team, I mean, you got receivers, you got a tight end, you got a running back, you got a couple of defensive players, you got a two time mvp, a quarterback. I mean, you got to go to the conference title game. We expect you to be in the conference title game. Yes, Todd, if Lamar would have answered that question in another way, more positive.

Dan Patrick (14:00)

Towards Harbaugh, like, yeah, I fully expect him to be Back, I want him back. Anything that said that he's on, you know, they're on the same page and he wanted that coach.

Paulie (14:08)

Would that have changed how things played out? I'm going to say yes, but he didn't say that. And that's why John Harbaugh was fired. It doesn't take long and much effort for Lamar Jackson if you say, hey, do you want, you know, Coach Harbaugh back? Yes, but we got to figure out other things so we're not in this sit, you know, same situation next year. So then I've taken that off your plate now, but I keep going back to that. All you do is say, of course, and then you move on, whether you believe that or not. I truly believe that he knew they were going to move on from John Harbaugh. I truly believe that because that's why he said it. If you want to make sure that there's no finger of blame pointing to you, then you say, of course I want him back. Now we find out that the Ravens chose Lamar Jackson and fired John Harbaugh. Joey in Fort Wayne. Hey, Joey, what's on your mind today? Hey, I wanted to know what you thought of the Stuart Scott documentary. And I also wanted to know if you coined the phrase mothership. I think I coined the phrase mothership about espn and I have only seen bits and pieces of the Stewart documentary. Alice in Pittsburgh. Hi, Alice. Hi, Dan. Thanks for taking my call. I don't usually, I'm not usually off this time of the day. I talk to the guys on fox sports at 9 o'. Clock. But I'm one of the Pittsburgh fans that didn't want Mike to leave. I, I've been a fan since the early 70s and, you know, I've seen them through some bad times, good times, whatever, over the years, but I don't think that they can blame this all in Mike like I, the fans here were yelling fire Tomlin and Rodgers retire at the end of that game. The other night, the DK Metcalf dropped a pass. They weren't blocking. The offensive line was terrible for them to say that at the end of that game and to feel like that about Tomlin after all that he's done over the years. And it's not just, you know, the playoff games. Yeah, we haven't won a playoff game in 10 years. We haven't won a Super bowl since, what, 2008. But he was part of Pittsburgh. It wasn't just that he was our coach. I was hoping that he'd stay around and I hope that he did step down on his own terms. The Rooneys would never fire anybody. They haven't fired a coach since, I think the late 60s, since before Chuck Noelle. But they were all three allowed to go on their own terms. Chuck Noel retired. None of them ever coached again. I don't know if Mike will coach again. I could see him in media. I hope he doesn't go to a rival. I hope he doesn't go to Baltimore or Cleveland. Then it's going to be hard to watch him coach another team. Yeah, I think he's going to take some time off, Alice, and he's only 53. He's going to get ample opportunities to be able to coach. But, you know, he might enjoy TV for a little while, and it gives you a different perspective. He's not watching games on Sunday, but once you go into that job in the media, you. You're watching all these games. You're. You're talking about everybody. You're looking at these teams differently. He might look at a team and go, okay, I got to study that team this week. And then he moves on. When you're in the NFL media and if you're doing games, you know, I don't see him doing games. I want to take advantage of the look of Tomlin. You know, he always has those facial expressions. And it's easier to get acclimated to TV by slipping somebody into a studio, because now I can control, hey, we're going to ask you this. Hey, would you break down this? I can do all of that with Mike and set him up for success. When you get out to a game, you know, even Drew Brees, and Drew Brees didn't do well when he first went out there. Drew Brees, one of the great football minds of all time, it's different. It's live. You got to call it. You got to get in, you got to get out. Like there's a science to that, a cadence to that studio. I can set you up for success. We'll take a break. Alex Smith will join us on loan from the mothership right after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning, 9 to noon Eastern or 6 to 9 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for the Dan Patrick show at foxsportsradio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. Fox Sports Radio is taking over YouTube and you can be a part of it. Pay attention. Just go to YouTube and search Fox Sports Radio. Hit that subscribe button and smash that notification bell and catch all the videos from your favorite shows. Two pros and a cup of Joe. Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Doug Gottlieb, Kavino and Rich. The Odd Couple with Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington. The Jason Smith show with Mike Harmon and the Ben Maller Show. Fox sports radio on YouTube. Subscribe hit that thumbs up icon and.

Dan Patrick (19:32)

Comment lines and tines with Spencer Graves.

Paulie (19:35)

On the iHeartRadio app is a podcast designed for hunters and fishermen to enjoy success. I like the idea of like, hey, put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this, be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I love patterning the deer. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what's on going stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're going to win. And then when I go in it's like, yeah, it's cool, I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the problem.

Dan Patrick (20:26)

I love it. Listen to lines and tines with Spencer.

Paulie (20:28)

Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Maria Hinojosa, host of Latino usa. Venezuelans around the world are celebrating the takedown of former President Maduro. But inside the country there is fear and silence. And in the United States, people are concerned about Donald Trump's rogue tactics. Listen to Latino usa, the fall of Maduro and the rise of an unconstrained Trump. That's on your iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from.

Dan Patrick (21:08)

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.

Paulie (21:11)

It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. They ruler around the drug scene. Was that a deputy was taken care of?

Dan Patrick (21:27)

Is this the story of a man.

Paulie (21:29)

Who just got lost in the desert or of a cover up inside the.

Dan Patrick (21:33)

Nation'S largest sheriff's Department a homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent.

Paulie (21:42)

Who does that?

Dan Patrick (21:43)

Valley of Shadows, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert.

Paulie (21:51)

Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance? I wouldn't do it alone.

Dan Patrick (21:58)

Listen to Valley of shadows on the.

Paulie (22:00)

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Dan Patrick (22:05)

The social media trend that's landing some gen zers in jail. The progressive media darling whose public meltdown got her father fired.

Paulie (22:15)

I'm going to take Francesca off the network entirely.

Dan Patrick (22:17)

The massive TikTok boycott against Target. That makes no actual sense.

Paulie (22:21)

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

Dan Patrick (22:25)

And the MAGA influencers whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

Paulie (22:30)

So refreshing to have the press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

Dan Patrick (22:35)

You won't hear about these online stories in the mainstream media, but you can keep up with them and all the other entertaining and outrageous things happening online in media and in politics. With the Brad vs. Everyone podcast hosted me, Brad Palumbo. Every day of the week, I bring you on a wild ride through the most delulu takes on the Internet, criticizing the extremes of both sides from an independent perspective. Join in on the insanity and listen to the Brad vs. Everyone podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Paulie (23:05)

Emi, Paulie's in my head. We were talking about T. Steve Bisciati, the Ravens owner. And Paulie brought up those cookies, those biscotti cookies today when he, when he first took over the team, I was like, yeah, his name's Biscotti.

Dan Patrick (23:19)

That's kind of cool.

Paulie (23:21)

Yeah. So social media reminding me, hey, talking hairdo, it's Bashani. Okay, my bad. Shouldn't have brought it up. I shouldn't have brought it up. This in from on 3, this has to do with Ty Simpson. Tennessee, Miami and Ole miss were offering $4 million to the Alabama quarterback. Miami went up to six and a half million dollars. Miami, they lost out on Sam Levitt. They came back with a big number. Ole Miss called again and they couldn't match it. So it looks like Ty Simpson, Alabama quarterback, is going pro. Yes, Paul, if you were going to say that he could make more money by staying in college, it's kind of true. But that one year, for example, if he was the 21st pick, like Jackson Dart, Jackson Dart made 9 million as a rookie.

Dan Patrick (24:08)

Most of it was signing bonus but.

Paulie (24:10)

Then going forward, Jackson Dart will make 1.6, 2.3, 3.1. Alex Smith of the mothership, quarterback for 16 years and a Heisman Trophy finalist back in 04 when he was at Utah. Good to see you again. I was wondering about this. I mentioned Jalen Hurts. He's had a different offensive coordinator every single year in the NFL, every single year in college. As a former quarterback, do you care more about who's your head coach or who's your offensive coordinator?

Dan Patrick (24:41)

Well, Dan, it's the best when they're the same thing, the same person most of the time. You know, usually. Usually when an offensive coordinator is good enough to become a head coach, they're pretty good at what they do. You know, I feel. I feel his pain. You know, I had seven offensive coordinators in my first seven years.

Paulie (24:59)

Wow.

Dan Patrick (24:59)

And to see what Jalen's done in spite of all that volatility is incredible. Right? Like, I think at some point it becomes a strength, Dan. Right. Like there's not a system you haven't run. There's not an offensive mind you haven't been around. You get really good at adapting. You get really good at taking kind of the strengths of all these people and systems, you know, and combining them. But no question it's not what you want, right? Like, to get to. To get to high level football. I mean, this is not the recipe for that. So I, I think that obviously Nick has been there again, he is an offensive head coach. I think it's the same system despite different play callers these last several years. Nonetheless, obviously, you know, when especially the Eagles, as good as they've been, as good as that roster is, need. Need far more stability on that side of the ball.

Paulie (25:47)

But the terminology is probably kind of the same no matter who your offensive coordinator is.

Dan Patrick (25:53)

I think it's all the same there with Nick. No, And I was in a different scenario where, you know, I went from digits to west coast to all these different systems. I think the nice thing there with obviously Nick at the helm is that by and far, this is the exact same language. It's a different play caller. It's a little different style. Obviously, putting the plan together every week.

Paulie (26:12)

All right, let's look ahead to what Pittsburgh does now moving forward. Given their history, young defensive coordinators, they bring them in. In today's NFL, is that the wise thing to do for Pittsburgh, to follow.

Dan Patrick (26:27)

That track record, to stay on the defensive side of the ball?

Paulie (26:30)

Young defense, you know, they're not going for big ticket items here. It doesn't sound like, I mean, they've.

Dan Patrick (26:35)

Done such a great job. I mean, I think back to even when they hired Mike Tomlinson. Right. Like, it just, they seem to do, you know, like these interview processes. Like, you know, as you can imagine, you bring in a guy for an interview. These are football coaches. They, you know, sometimes what are they coming in in a suit and tie and trying to, you know, put their best foot forward. So much of this comes from reference checking. Right. Your network as an organization reaching out and finding who's an actual good football coach who can create culture. Right. Just because you're a great coordinator doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be a great coach. Those are, those are very different things. And so how do you identify them? And clearly this organization seems to have that down. I do anticipate that their track record. Yeah. Has been they're going to go young, Right. They're going to go for a young coach that they believe in, that they're going to support, that they're going to build with, and it's going to be there for the next 20, 25 years.

Paulie (27:23)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (27:24)

Whether or not that's on the defensive side of the ball, I think remains to be seen.

Paulie (27:27)

Do you think that Mike Tomlin had read the room, had the wherewithal to say, I got two years left on my contract, I'm stepping down, or do you think that there was maybe nudging on the Steelers part?

Dan Patrick (27:42)

No, I don't think there's any nudging. I don't think so. I mean, listen, and I know leave.

Paulie (27:47)

With two years left on his contract. He's Mike Tomlin.

Dan Patrick (27:50)

I know. That's my point. Like, I think in the media, this has been talked about a lot, right. We heard the chants this year. I think behind closed doors, I mean, teams would be lining up to hire him. Lining up, right. Like, I mean, this guy is that well respected and it's just so rare to have done it for 19 years in one place. Right. I do wonder, just being a head coach for 19 years. Right. Man, these are, these are dog years. It is a lot of pressure. It demands a commitment level.

Paulie (28:20)

Right.

Dan Patrick (28:20)

Like, you just have to sacrifice so much of your life. Like, I don't, I mean, clearly, obviously, who knows at the, you know, you know, here for him to step down. Right. Like, I think something on that front, I, I, I don't think it had anything to do with getting nudged out again. I think this guy is one of the most sought after, if not the most sought after guy in the Market and would have been. There's a lot of demand there. And I think he knew that despite some of these conversations that go on on the, the media side.

Paulie (28:46)

Yeah. But the Ravens had no problem announcing they fired John Harbaugh. Similar career track record, super bowl, same thing.

Dan Patrick (28:55)

Yeah, similar, similar. I, I would argue this, right? Like look at those two rosters this year.

Paulie (28:59)

Oh, I know.

Dan Patrick (29:00)

I mean I, and I think you can make an argument one of them overachieved and the other one from this year. I'm not talking, I'm Obviously John Harbaugh's 18 years are incredible, right. Like potential hall of Fame head coach. But this year I think they greatly underachieved. Right. That roster, that many All Pros, that many Pro Bowlers, you've got an mvp. I mean, Lamar just came off arguably, arguably maybe the greatest season of quarterback ever. And I know he was injured this year and missed some time, but like that, that you can't be a fan of football, look at that team and say it didn't underachieve, especially the way the division was this year, right. One of the worst divisions in football.

Paulie (29:36)

Talking to Alex Smith, ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown. What is it about certain quarterbacks when they get to the postseason? Like there's certain quarterbacks who are great regular season quarterbacks, but then you get to the postseason, so what, what is that? That it factor that somebody just plays better when the lights are the brightest.

Dan Patrick (29:57)

I mean, I think a lot has to go right in this scenario. Like I'm thinking about Justin Herbert when you said that, and I know he's 0 for 3 in the playoffs and people are talking about this and that, but like, I mean, he didn't have it. He was overmatched in that game. Right. And against the Patriots and as beat up as the Chargers were limping into the playoffs, I, you know, I know they were hoping to be more competitive in that game, but going across the country on the road like, and we're just going to pin that all on him, you know, I think in some ways, again, when you step back and look at the job he did like for them to even be in that position, I think was, you know, in some ways remarkable.

Paulie (30:34)

Right.

Dan Patrick (30:34)

I think that was a positive. But you know, it's the nature of the quarterback position. You know, this, right. Like we get in these big moments, these winner take all, one game scenarios, right? Quarterbacks, obviously, I think when you, when your team wins and you play well, this is where you become legendary, right? Like this is where that, that kind of stuff happens. And so what goes into that? Right. Like what I think, again, the 10 guys in the huddle, the matchup, the system, right. Like the position you're put in has a huge part of that. And again. And so. But then obviously the guy's got to go out there and. And make the plays. I. At the same time, I think about Josh Allen, right? Like, incredible playoff numbers. Just absolutely incredible playoff numbers. But, you know, up until now, it's the guy that can't get it done, right?

Paulie (31:23)

Like that.

Dan Patrick (31:24)

Like, that's the stuff you hear, right? Like, he can't get there. And which is that because of Josh, right? Like, that's insane to say. When you actually go look at the play like that, there's not much else he could do, and yet we want to pin that on the quarterback. So sometimes I think that that kind of narrative is pretty unfair.

Paulie (31:42)

How would you defend Josh Allen if you're good luck?

Dan Patrick (31:45)

It's tough. It's really tough. Listen, I mean, I think, you know, when you look at them from an offensive standpoint and you think about the weapons and who you need to shut down, obviously it's the best run game in football, and a lot of it starts up front with that, right. James Cook obviously had a phenomenal year. Josh is a big part of that run game. From there, you kind of move to their tight ends, right? Like, they're pretty dynamic, both those tight ends, Kincaid and Knox, so much of what they do is tied into the. The run game with play action pass right, and over the middle. And so how are you going to take those guys away? You know, they don't have big contributors on the outside, right. Like, they kind of piece it together on the outside. Right. And I know they just lost a couple guys to injury, and so you're going to be piecing it together even more. So it's. It's interesting when you got a guy like Patrick certain, right?

Paulie (32:32)

Like, who.

Dan Patrick (32:33)

Who's he going to go take away? They don't necessarily. These aren't feature guys for them that play outside. And then your instinct would be to play some man, right? Certainly. Because you're not necessarily afraid of some of these matchups I just talked about in coverage. However, I think Josh is kind of the guy that would really deter you from that.

Paulie (32:50)

Right.

Dan Patrick (32:51)

Like, you don't want a lot of backs turned. Running in coverage with this guy and the ball in his hands, right? He can really make some big plays with his legs. He can really extend plays. It's hard to cover that long. So he's the biggest deterrent against that. And, and I do think you're going to see a heavy dose. You're going to see them spy him a lot in this game. Right? Let's not this, let's not let him get going again. Think about last year's playoff game against the Denver Broncos. On that fourth down, he runs around for eight seconds and, you know, dots what, the running back in the back of the end zone for that phenomenal play. Right. Like, I think for the Broncos, like, we're not letting that happen again. Right. We gotta have some eyes on him. We gotta have some defenders tracking him down.

Paulie (33:29)

I know that you're working with a company. We're looking at concussions. You know, I go back to that, what, 2012 game when you suffered a concussion and then Kaepernick came in. Yep. Did you know you were concussed?

Dan Patrick (33:42)

Oh, yeah, yeah. Immediately, Dan. And, and it's funny, you know, they. This is. And we've learned this, like, concussions very much are obviously a spectrum now, right? Like, I remember everything. I was very present. Like, it wasn't one of those things where I was like, you know, you're out. For me, it was a vision deal, you know, and it was a. It was a game.

Paulie (34:00)

It.

Dan Patrick (34:00)

It was that candlestick and what do you know, vision for me, one o' clock kickoff, and all of a sudden having trouble with my vision. Right? Again. And I say it because it was. It was a incredible day at Candlestick. Really sunny, really bright. And for me, having trouble focusing my eyes, having trouble with my vision, certainly having trouble with the brightness. And I remember it's one of those things where you're, you know, you're. You're trying to blink it off, right? You're trying to, like, work through it, and it's not working. Right. Like, it's not getting better. And, you know, in that game specifically, I remember, I mean, I continue to play, in fact, I threw a touchdown pass as my last play, I think, and finally got to the sideline. It was like a miracle. I remember thinking, like, I don't know how that just happened, right? Like this. I kept thinking it would get better, and it didn't. Finally, obviously, getting out, you know, getting myself out of the game in the sense that I wasn't going to help us out there, not being able to see. And so it's scary. It's scary stuff, right? I. I think it's for all football players. It's kind of the looming scary thing. Right? And, like, we don't. We're learning more. We don't know a whole lot about concussions.

Paulie (35:08)

What's the, what's the company you're working?

Dan Patrick (35:10)

Yeah, I'm with, I'm with Oxio, Oxia Biopharma, Ox eia. And listen, I think that the number one thing for all of us is that there are no approved treatments and. Right. Like, there are no approved tests for concussions. Like, when it comes to treatment of concussions, it's the same as it was 20, 40, 50, 100 years ago.

Paulie (35:28)

Right?

Dan Patrick (35:28)

Like, we are still kind of in the Stone Age. It's just, hey, rest up. How do you feel? You know, and again, still learning the consequences of some of these things. And so just pumped to partner with Oxia and to try to be a solution, right? To try to find some answers, to try to figure this out.

Paulie (35:46)

And how often are you tested? Like, do you do a yearly.

Dan Patrick (35:50)

Well, there are no tests there. I mean, obviously there's these baseline tests where you can kind of take their cognitive. Right. In that sense, they're, you know, processing. But they don't, they can't definitively define whether or not you've had a concussion. Nothing can.

Paulie (36:05)

But mri, CAT scan, none of that will show up. Like, those help.

Dan Patrick (36:10)

Those help. And they certainly help, I think, with more severe ones. But the vast majority that happen on the football field, the vast majority, I think that happen for people in their lives. Like, I can't tell you how many parents come up to me constantly, right? And like, hey, my, my child had a concussion doing something and like, what can I do for them, right? Like what, what can help? And again, there's just, there's just nothing there, right? And the NFL has taken steps. We've seen changes in the kickoff rule, right, to make it safer. We've seen helmets try to get better, but there still is nothing here on the treatment side. And again, I think just, just pumped a partner with Oxia in the sense that if somebody trying to do something, right, someone trying, finally trying to change that narrative. And for anybody that wants to go learn more, go to oxia biopharma.com, you know, company again, I think that is onto something, but really trying to. Trying to make a difference.

Paulie (37:02)

Are you on record as saying the Rams could put up 50 on the bears?

Dan Patrick (37:06)

You know, listen, K. K got me on. And it was like, hey, first thing I. That is going to be a high scoring game. I haven't checked the weather. That's always like a part of this when you're playing at Chicag in January. But I'm just that defense, Chicago's defense, the way they're playing, I know they've feasted on turnovers all year, but especially against this system like they just went to, they just went to San Francisco, played the Niners, and I think they got 48 put up on them. It's the exact same system. And you could argue, you know, the group they have in LA with the Rams is maybe more dynamic.

Paulie (37:46)

Weather's going to be 13 degrees.

Dan Patrick (37:49)

All right, well, I listen again, I think it's going to be high scoring whether or not they actually get the 50 burger, but I, I think they're going to put up some points. I don't think there's a whole lot of love loss between these coaching staffs either.

Paulie (38:00)

Great to talk to you again. Hope you're doing well. And thanks for sharing.

Dan Patrick (38:05)

Same damn. Thanks for having me.

Paulie (38:06)

Alex Smith joining us on the program. I go back to when he was a Heisman Trophy finalist at Utah. That was an incredible run that year and 16 years in the NFL. All right, we'll take a break. We'll update our poll results here and more of your phone calls right after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan Patrick show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning, 9 until noon Eastern, 6 to 9 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio. And you can find us on the iHeartRadio appsr or stream us live on the Peacock app.

Dan Patrick (38:41)

Lines and Tines with Spencer Graves on.

Paulie (38:43)

The iHeartRadio app is a podcast designed for hunters and fishermen to enjoy success. I like the idea of like, hey, put me on a big deer. You know, hey, there's a big deer out here. He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. But I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying, running my cameras. I love patterning the deer. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat. But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're going to win. And then when I go in, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament. The ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them, you, you make them bite. That's the puzzle.

Dan Patrick (39:34)

I love it. Listen to Lines and Tines with Spencer.

Paulie (39:36)

Graves on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Maria Hinojosa, host of Latino usa. Venezuelans around the world are celebrating the takedown of former President Maduro. But inside the country there is fear and silence. And in the United States, people are concerned about Donald Trump's rogue tactics. Listen to Latino usa, the fall of Maduro and the rise of an unconstrained Trump. That's on your iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from.

Dan Patrick (40:16)

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.

Paulie (40:19)

It's an all out manhunt for John Ajay. Every search and rescue team in LA county has been called in to help. Within days, tips started flooding into the sheriff's department. They rule her around. The drug scene was that a deputy was taken care of.

Dan Patrick (40:35)

Is this the story of a man.

Paulie (40:37)

Who just got lost in the desert? Or of a cover up inside the nation's largest sheriff's department?

Dan Patrick (40:43)

A homicide captain saying, detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent.

Paulie (40:49)

Who does that?

Dan Patrick (40:51)

Valley of Shadow, a new series from Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert.

Paulie (40:59)

Do you have any advice for us while looking into this disappearance? I wouldn't do it alone.

Dan Patrick (41:06)

Listen to Valley of shadows on the.

Paulie (41:08)

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Like if we're on the air here.

Dan Patrick (41:14)

And I literally have my contract here.

Paulie (41:16)

And I'm looking at, you know, as soon as I sign this, I'm gonna get a seven figure check. I've told them I won't be working here in two weeks. From the underground clubs that shaped global music to the pastors and creatives who built a cultural empire, the Atlanta Is podcast uncovers the stories behind one of the most influential cities in the world. The thing I love about Atlanta is that it's a city of hustlers, man. Each episode explores a different chapter of Atlanta's rise, featuring conversations with Ludacris, Will Packer, Pastor Jamal Bryant, DJ drama, and more. The full series is available to listen to now.

Dan Patrick (41:50)

I really just had never experienced anything like what was going on in the city as far as like, you know, seeing so many young, black, affluent creatives in all walks of life.

Paulie (42:00)

The church had dwindled almost to nothing. And God said, this is your assignment. And that's like, how you know, like, okay, oh, you from Atlanta for real?

Dan Patrick (42:07)

I ain't got to say too much.

Paulie (42:08)

I'm Grady, baby. Shut up.

Dan Patrick (42:10)

Listen to Atlanta is on the iHeartRadio.

Paulie (42:12)

App, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. We are formalizing our plans for the super bowl in San Francisco and we'll let you know if you would like to be part of the studio audience for one of the five days. We'll let you know how you're able to access that. For over 40 years, Tire Rack's been helping you find the right tires for how and what and where you drive. Ship fast and free, backed by free road hazard protection. With convenient installation options like mobile tire installation, TireRack.com is the way tire buying should be. Zach and Dayton, Good morning, Zach. What do you have for me? Morning, Dan. First time, long time, 6 foot, 195. If I were the Pittsburgh Steelers front office, I would at least reach out. Take a couple minutes and reach out. Engage the interest of Mike McCarthy for the Pittsburgh Steelers head coaching job. He's got a proven track record, won a Super bowl, and he's from Pittsburgh. A couple other quick comments. The movie Primate, I've already seen that. It was called Cujo. And finally, I think Dude Wipes. You need to reach out and find out a way to make dude whites the official wife of Crappensburg State. Oh, I like that. Thank you, Zach. You know, Pittsburgh likes the younger quarterback, younger coordinator. You want somebody there for 20 years, 19 years, 18 years. McCarthy's 62 now. You're not bringing in John Harbaugh for 15 years. And I think that's the formula that's worked for them and they'll probably stick to them. John in Indianapolis. Hi, John. What's on your mind today? Good morning, Dan. How are you? Good, John. Good. So Indianapolis now via Chicago. So I'm big, I'm excited about the Bay question I have for you because you mentioned it a few minutes ago. Were you escorted out by security when you left espn? Not officially. They just, they let me stay a little bit longer. They let me stay a little bit longer than normal. But I did have friends and when they left, they were escorted. Somebody was there with them when they were leaving the building. A producer who went to Fox and did their pregame show created that pregame show. He was escorted out. Like you're watching and I'm thinking, what do they think Scott's going to be taking? But no, they were, they let me stay a few days longer after I had said that I was, but I was doing radio. They, they still allowed me to do radio for a couple of days. And then some of the ESPN affiliates pushed back and Said, well, he's not going to be here. Why are we allowing to still do his job? Yes, Eden. Yeah, I don't know if it's about how much they're going to steal, rather it is people tend to be upset when they get fired. Let's avoid any issues. Yeah. You know, well, I didn't get fired. How about I go into my boss's office and tell him what I think now that I can't be fired since I just was. How about I tell everybody here what I think of him? Yeah, but this guy quit and went to Fox. So we're doing SportsCenter that night. And the guy, Scott Ackerson, who was great coordinating producer, he says, hey, I got this job. They. They want me to create the Fox pregame show. And I said, take it. He goes, and. And he kind of, you know, I wasn't sure because you don't leave espn. I just remember it felt like it was early evening and I said, take the job, man. So he tells management that he's taking the job and that's it. He's out the door. He was done. Yeah. Paulie.

Dan Patrick (46:08)

As you know, Dan, I was at ESPN in one of those situations, and.

Paulie (46:12)

Three people were fired.

Dan Patrick (46:13)

And I was at work at my desk, and I watched the HR slash security person walk to the desk, walk them out.

Paulie (46:20)

And one of the people, I had.

Dan Patrick (46:21)

To bring him his cell phone and.

Paulie (46:22)

His keys because they didn't give him a chance to grab his selling keys. And it was a wild scene. I'd never seen that in person. Yeah. So I did not get escorted out, but I did, I did witness that. Escorted. Such a non nice word.

Dan Patrick (46:35)

Not the right word for when you get fight.

Paulie (46:37)

You're not escorted. It's not a pleasant experience. Yeah. Allow me to escort you. Okay. Nate in la. Hi, Nate. What's on your mind today? Hey, Dan. I hope I could catch one of your shows in San Francisco during Super bowl week. I called to give you praise for the influence you've had on Cam Newton's TV podcast career so far. That being said, have you been invited to the cookout yet and do you know what you're going to bring? I have not been invited to Marvin's cookout or Cam Newton's cookout, but I look forward to that. And I would probably confer with Marvin on what I should bring to a cookout. Yes, Marvin, you can bring ice. Ice, ice. Alcohol if you like. Okay. Join us, please. Okay. But no food.

Dan Patrick (47:26)

No, no, no, no, no.

Paulie (47:29)

Okay. We are.

Dan Patrick (47:31)

It's almost Like Thanksgiving, you got to know who's making what. I'm not eating.

Paulie (47:35)

Everybody's cooking.

Dan Patrick (47:36)

Like, oh, who made that? Aunt Beatrice made that. Ill. No, thank you.

Paulie (47:41)

Okay. Feels like it's a slight towards me here that I can't bring food. Well, like, my wife would be the one cooking. Oh, wait. Well, that's interesting. Who brought the tuna casserole? Oh, that guy. I did. Very, very true. Who brought the tuna? I bet it was him.

Dan Patrick (48:05)

Yeah, it is funny going back to that.

Paulie (48:08)

Hey, hey, hey. White bread. Did you bring. Yes, I did. I brought it. Oh, for sure. Oh, who bought the green bean casserole? Who do you think made that? Yeah. All right. A lot of mayonnaise, heavy salads. Probably the white guy.

Dan Patrick (48:22)

Oh, yeah, unfortunately.

Paulie (48:25)

Man. How about I just bring some tequila?

Dan Patrick (48:31)

Oh, yeah, that's all you.

Paulie (48:32)

That's okay? Yeah, of course. All right. My family doesn't really partake, but by.

Dan Patrick (48:36)

All means, they are not.

Paulie (48:37)

But the other side of the family does. Yeah, they drink Hennessy. And I was like, why? Oh, no, I can't do that. Well, I wouldn't bring Hennessy. I would have a little bit of Hennessy if I got there.

Dan Patrick (48:48)

Oh, they definitely would.

Paulie (48:49)

They would go, oh, Sports center. Come here. Come here. Yes, for sure. Because as Ice Cubes told you, brothers got cable. Oh, that's still, like, you're good. Every dp. You know who you are. Of course I know. When Ice Cube said that to me, he goes, brother's got cable. Because I said if I went into Compton. And he's like, what? Brother's got cable. You're good. Brother's got cable. For sure.

Dan Patrick (49:13)

Because if somebody didn't know you.

Paulie (49:14)

No, no. You know who that is? Yeah, Sports Center. That's the best. It was great line. Adam in Michigan. Hi, Adam. What's on your mind? Hey, Dan. Gotta be careful bringing ice to barbecues these days. But either way, Also the white guy. The white guy brought ice. Six foot Bear. 180 down Arizona. And my question is for Paulie and Marvin on the jerseys. If Denver announces they're gonna wear their throwbacks, is that worth a one point swing either way? And does any other team have that kind of sway when it comes to jerseys? Okay, Todd, I am extremely hopeful that they're going to wear those 1977 throwbacks. I think it's worth a one and a half point difference in the point. Hopefully they don't do, like, that blue uniform. Didn't they have one of those? I don't like.

Dan Patrick (50:13)

I don't really like any of their.

Paulie (50:14)

Other ones except for the. The throwback. The Orange Crush. The Orange Crush. Yes, Marvin. The Seahawks, if they brought out their throwbacks. Two point. Okay, are we doing Jim Zorn like the Steve Largent or do you want that lime green?

Dan Patrick (50:27)

No, no, like the Steve Large.

Paulie (50:29)

Yeah. Chris Warren era. Chris Warren. Yeah. Paulie.

Dan Patrick (50:33)

I think it's the opposite.

Paulie (50:34)

I think all teams in the playoffs.

Dan Patrick (50:35)

Should wear their standard uniforms.

Paulie (50:37)

I was watching the college football playoffs the other day and a couple teams.

Dan Patrick (50:40)

Wore like different uniforms. Even the Bears the other day went blue on blue.

Paulie (50:43)

You should wear whatever standard.

Dan Patrick (50:44)

Like Oregon had another wacky uniform.

Paulie (50:46)

Where your standard for playoffs. Two hours in the books on this Wednesday. One more to go. More of your phone calls. We'll have a new poll question as well. 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com, twitter handle @dpshow Fritzie Seaton, Marv Paul are yours truly. Final hour, right after this. The new year brings new health goals and wealth goals. Protecting your identity is an important step. Your info is in endless places that could expose you to identity theft leading to lost funds. LifeLock monitors millions of data points per second. If your identity is stolen, Lifelock's restoration specialist will fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. Resolve to make identity, health and wealth part of your New Year's goal. With Lifelock, save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com sports terms apply.

Dan Patrick (51:36)

A man with down syndrome tries the.

Paulie (51:38)

Impossible, the grand slam in turkey hunting.

Dan Patrick (51:41)

4:53 hits.

Paulie (51:43)

We're legal, shooting light. And he gives us this one last and he pitches off.

Dan Patrick (51:49)

And when he pitches off, he flies right into the gun barrel. I said to the cameraman, do you have him? He said, shoot him. I said, justin, shoot.

Paulie (51:58)

You can download this episode and others from lines and tines with Spencer Graves on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Maria Hinojosa, host of Latino usa. Venezuelans around the world are celebrating the takedown of former President Maduro. But inside the country, there is fear and silence. And in the United States, people are concerned about Donald Trump's rogue tactics. Listen to Latino usa, the fall of Maduro and the rise of an unconstrained Trump. That's on your iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On June 11, 1998, a deputy from.

Dan Patrick (52:40)

The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department went missing.

Paulie (52:44)

Hey, if they'll kill a copping burial, what are they gonna do to me what really happened to the missing deputy? Valley of Shadows, a new series from.

Dan Patrick (52:54)

Pushkin Industries about crime and corruption in California's high desert. Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Paulie (53:07)

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