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Hour 2 – NFL Franchises in Bad Shape, Maurice Jones-Drew

The Dan Patrick Show

Tue Dec 17 2024

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 2 – NFL Franchises in Bad Shape with Maurice Jones-Drew Release Date: December 17, 2024

Hosts:

Dan Patrick (Host)
Greg Olsen (Co-host)
Todd Fritz (Co-host)
Paul Pabst (Co-host)
Maurice Jones-Drew (Guest, NFL Network Analyst and Former NFL Running Back)

1. Introduction and Poll on Struggling NFL Franchises

Timestamp: [04:07]

The episode kicks off with a poll question aimed at listeners: "Which NFL franchise feels like it is in the worst shape?"
Options: Giants, Browns, Raiders, Bears, Panthers, Jaguars, Titans, or Other.

Poll Results:

Giants: 27.5%
Browns: 24%
Raiders: Following the Giants and Browns in the poll results.

Greg Olsen initiates a discussion on the poll results, expressing skepticism about the Bears being in dire straits compared to other teams due to what he perceives as management instability and questionable decisions in coaching and player acquisitions.

2. Chicago Bears' Struggles and Management Issues

Timestamp: [04:46] - [07:04]

Greg Olsen delves into why he believes the Bears are struggling:

Coaching Instability: "They’ve had a bad situation with the head coach. You’ve got to have stability."
Questionable Decisions:
"This is a franchise that passed on Tom Brady late in Tom's career and they passed on Jim Harbaugh. They don't make good decisions normally."
Quarterback Conundrum:
"Now you have the future of Caleb Williams at your fingertips. You’ve got to make sure you make the right decision."

Olsen criticizes the Bears for past decisions like not signing Bill Belichick and questions whether their current acquisitions, such as Ben Johnson from the Lions, are sufficient to change the team’s culture.

3. Recap of Recent Games and Team Performances

Timestamp: [07:12] - [15:00]

Maurice Jones-Drew provides a recap of last night’s games:

Vikings vs. Bears: "The Bears have lost eight in a row, 30 to 12. The final Vikings now 12 and 2. Bears dropped to 4 and 10."
Falcons vs. Raiders: "Falcons are 7 and 7. That didn't feel like a win."
Raiders' Performance:
"The Raiders dropped to two and 12. If you're the Raiders, if you're Mark Davis, you want to make sure that you get the number one pick in the draft."

Jones-Drew discusses the Raiders’ poor performance, highlighting the need for better quarterback options and questioning the owner’s strategies.

4. Listener Calls and Personal Anecdotes

Timestamp: [13:14] - [37:22]

Listeners share personal stories and interact with the hosts:

June from Virginia Beach: Celebrates her son Marty’s 43rd birthday and his battle with ALS. She shares Marty’s lifelong passion for sports and his favorite athlete, Barry Sanders.
Quote: "He learned to read when he was three years old because he wanted to read the sports page and read about his football teams." ([13:14])
Andrew from Washington: Discusses upcoming shoulder surgery and inquires about the hosts' recovery experiences.
Quote: "I wanted to see how yours was going, what your recovery is like, what your PT was and how you are today." ([15:07])
Personal Stories:
Todd Fritz and Greg Olsen exchange humorous anecdotes about church attendance and childhood experiences, adding a personal and relatable touch to the show.

5. The Bears' Ongoing Challenges and Giants' Mismanagement

Timestamp: [25:32] - [31:35]

Maurice Jones-Drew elaborates on the Bears’ difficulties and critiques the Giants’ management:

Giants' Free Agency Decisions:
"You let go of ... players that are playing well for their McKinney and Green Bay, obviously Saquon and Philly. You just can't let talent hit free agency and not bring them back."
Giants' Organizational Disarray:
"Now you’re sitting there in disarray trying to figure out what's going on."

Jones-Drew underscores the Giants' mismanagement, particularly their handling of star players like Saquon Barkley, which has led to internal chaos and a tough season.

6. Vikings’ Strength and Sam Darnold’s Role

Timestamp: [26:30] - [35:43]

Jones-Drew shifts focus to the Minnesota Vikings, discussing their strengths and quarterback situation:

Vikings’ Potential:
"When Sam Darnold is playing the way he's playing, they can beat anyone, especially in the NFC North now with Detroit going through all those injuries."
Sam Darnold’s Performance and Future:
"If Sam can continue to play this way, I think the Vikings have a great chance to continue to build a roster with him and then obviously move on from him in a year, two years, and then put J.J. McCarthy in there."

Jones-Drew expresses support for Darnold, suggesting that the Vikings should secure his role with a 2-3 year deal while developing a younger quarterback as a long-term strategy.

7. Coaching Opportunities for Michael Vick

Timestamp: [37:06] - [52:34]

A discussion ensues about former NFL quarterback Michael Vick potentially taking on coaching roles at college programs like Sacramento State or Norfolk State:

Potential Impact:
"Michael Vick was just there just to get people's attention. And then Florida State didn't hire him."
Coaching Challenges:
"Can he relate to these players, his personality? How's that going to come across?"
Vick’s Redemption and Influence:
"Tony Dungy took him under his wing and said, look, I want to help you."
Listener Opinion:
Todd Fritz emphasizes the draw of Michael Vick’s name for recruits:
"If my kid was 20 and Michael Vick walked in, I'd be super excited." ([51:54])

The hosts debate Vick’s suitability for coaching roles, weighing his charismatic influence against his prior controversies and lack of formal coaching experience.

8. Final Thoughts and Stat of the Day

Timestamp: [37:22] - [44:20]

Stat of the Day:
"Over the last three games, the Bears have been outscored 53 to nothing in the first half. Chicago's the first team to have three consecutive scoreless first halves since the 2018 Jacksonville Jaguars."
Presented by: Panini America.
Concluding Discussion:
The hosts reflect on the Bears’ performance and discuss potential strategies for improvement, emphasizing the importance of focusing on the second half of games for a more enjoyable viewing experience.

Key Quotes:

Greg Olsen on Bears' Management:
"This is a franchise that passed on Tom Brady late in Tom's career and they passed on Jim Harbaugh. They don't make good decisions normally." ([04:34])
Maurice Jones-Drew on Sam Darnold:
"If Sam can continue to play this way, I think the Vikings have a great chance to continue to build a roster with him and then obviously move on from him in a year, two years, and then put J.J. McCarthy in there." ([27:17])
June on Marty’s Birthday:
"He just celebrated seven years of battling ALS. It has taken his body, but it's not taken his spirit or his intelligence or his sense of humor." ([13:14])
Greg Olsen on Coaching Michael Vick:
"Michael Vick was just there just to get people's attention." ([48:03])

Conclusion

In this episode, The Dan Patrick Show provides an in-depth analysis of struggling NFL franchises, with a particular focus on the Chicago Bears’ management issues and the Minnesota Vikings' promising performance under Sam Darnold. Maurice Jones-Drew offers valuable insights into team dynamics, quarterback strategies, and potential coaching opportunities for former players like Michael Vick. Engaging listener interactions and personal anecdotes add a relatable dimension to the sports discussions, making it a comprehensive and engaging episode for NFL enthusiasts.

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Greg Olsen (9:00)

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Maurice Jones-Drew (33:10)

Yeah. Okay. So first and foremost, I think he's just playing with the confidence and understanding of this offense. It must be the same offense, you know, obviously Joe Brady there and their connection, but watching him versus the Rams. So you got to remember this is again, I work, you said I work for the Rams. Big Rams fan. That's why I said no slander for the Rams, Jags or Raiders. We refused that. And the Titans because my guy, Brian Callahan and Nick Holtz. But I saw Saquon Barkley versus the Rams and I was like, this is the best player I've ever seen in football. And my God, like this is crazy, you know, then double back a couple weeks later, the next week or something crazy like that. Here comes Josh Allen. And I was like, no, this is the best player ever. Right? He was throwing the ball, he had a Couple throws, if they were arrows, they would have killed some of those receivers away. Just hit him square in the chest like he was putting the ball in positions. The Rams defenders were in great position and he was the throw to Mac Hollins for a touchdown. A couple of those are Mari Cooper and then his ability to take off and run and he's, he's again your bigger, he's your biggest runner, right? So he, the goal line opportunities. Then you see the way he's running and taking the time. Well, he picks his spots when he wants to be Superman, if that makes sense. I think that's what, that's, what's the difference we've seen between Josh Allen now and Josh Allen before. He always wanted to be Superman. Always wanted to make the throws, always want to do all these things. Now he allows the game to come to him, meaning they're going to run the football. He's not going to take chances. And then they have play calls where they probably talked him throughout the week. Like, all right, this is where you could be Superman if you need to be. These are the moments where we need you to be Superman. We need you to run the ball here, we need you to extend the play and throw the ball down the field here on this third down. Like there must be a code word that they tell him where he turns from, you know, Clark into Superman and he goes out and does it. And again a guy like, like I said, like he's clearly right now, you know, obviously I'm a running back enthusiast and I love Arby's and I'm all over. But what he's done the last couple weeks, scoring 40 points in back to back games against defenses that have played really well throughout this season. And I mean, what's that? You had 48 last week. He has 42 the week before. Whatever it might have been like, like, my goodness. And so to me he's just, he's really learning his. When the moment is for him to go out and show what he can do, but he's relying on his teammates and that's, that's what's great to see.

Greg Olsen (44:20)

Yeah it's drastic, but it was interesting. There was a curiosity factor there. Once again, no bad ideas. Speaking of which, Michael Vick, maybe two coaching opportunities. Good idea, bad idea. I don't know how much coaching experience he has. One is Norfolk State. Now, he was obviously very big time athlete in Newport News, Virginia, that area, and Sacramento State. SAC State wants to get into the PAC 12, and they've been a successful smaller school. What is that? Fbs. Fbs, FPS. And you know, they want to up the ante. They want to get into the Pac 12, you know, the new and improved Pac 12. And Michael Vick. I don't know if there's any ties to Michael Vick with Sacramento, we certainly know with Norfolk, but I could see that happening. I could see. And you're starting to see this. You know, Eddie George is coaching in college. Dion, of course, took a college job. Ed Reed almost took a college job. And these are smaller schools, historically black colleges and universities, giving them an opportunity. But Norfolk State with Michael Vick, I don't know. You know, what is any coaching experience? Maybe high school, but I don't know. But see, everybody, everybody wants to get. To get the Deion Sanders effect. That's what North Carolina is hoping for. Bill Belichick, you got your Dion. Well, no, there's only one Dion. You can have Eddie George. Eddie George, a wonderful guy. Not Dion. Ed Reed, he's not dia. Michael Vick, not Dion. You gotta have personality. And he has more than enough. But he has been in our world, in our life, for 30 years. We've seen prime, we've seen all of this good, bad, great. Took the job at Jackson State. Everybody's like, what. What are you doing there? He was just there just to get people's attention. And then Florida State didn't hire him. Travis Hunter was going to go to Florida State. Dion's like, hey, I'm bringing my boys and why don't you come with me? We're going to Colorado. And I, I think even Travis Hunter's like, damn, it's cold there. And Shador's like, I don't know. We'll, we'll. We'll heat it up, end up winning the Heisman. They had a great year, almost qualified for the college football playoffs. But if you think you're getting a Deion Sanders, think again in one guy. That's it. But if I'm Sacramento State, all right, you got people's attention with Mike Norfolk. I get that one. Just, you know, geographically, but trying to get a coach that kids are Going to want to play for that. They know who he is. And, you know, Mike's. Mike's kind of reserved. He's shy almost. Now, he wasn't when he was on the field. That was his personality. If you're recruiting like, this is what. This is, the knock on Belichick. Can he relate to these players, his personality? How's that going to come across? I don't know how Michael Vick will be in the room with, you know, these parents, zoom calls kids want to be a dual threat, you know, quarterback. I don't know. I don't have any idea what Norfolk State football program has been like the last 10 years, five years. I know Sacramento State has played playoff games. FBS.

Greg Olsen (48:09)

I think if you're trying to get Dion Effect, then, like, if I'm hiring you, what am I hiring you to do? Like, I need you to go in there and you're the face. So be in the face. You got to be out in front. You got to be recruiting. You got to. You know, when you're at the press conference, when you're being interviewed, you're there all the time. You're. You're out front. And this is what Belichick's going to have to do. Hey, we need you to go to the basketball game. Hey, you know, we got booster meeting here. Hey, we have this, we have that. We. That's what college is. Now, you can delegate to a certain degree, but if you're going to be that focal point, that figurehead, we want to see you, then it comes down to, I know Belichick can coach. Belichick gives you an advantage over every coach in America because he's a better coach than any coach in America. So you always have an advantage going into a game. I don't know. Now, Michael Vick was a player coach then. Might be a little more interesting for me, but good. If he gets an opportunity. I. Look, I've spent time with Mike. I've mentioned this before. You know, we know what he did with dog fighting. Everybody knows that. He went to prison. He paid a price. He went to hardcore prison. And when he got out, Tony Dungy took him under his wing and said, look, I want to help you. And one of the things he did, he said, I want you to go and talk to these kids at a prison outside of Tampa. And Tony asked me. Tony had done me a favor, and he said, I want you to do me a favor. I want you to come down here with me, with Mike. And I got to see Mike in a prison yard, And I'm guessing 95% were African American, and probably 95% were under 25 years of age. But they listened to him when he spoke. They listened, and he went around. There were even. There were guys who were in their jail cells who weren't allowed out in the yard that, you know, they had done something where they were on lockdown. Mike went in and walked around and talked to everybody who was there in their jail cell through the. Through the bars and spoke to them. And you could see the reaction from these kids. And they were kids 25 and under, it felt like. And Tony Dungy wanted. Wanted Michael to kind of share his experience. He had been in prison, and I, I, you know, I do root for him. I like Mike. Did he make a terrible mistake? Yes, he did. Yes. I went to dinner with him, with Tony Dungy one night in Tampa. And, you know, he was very reserved, very quiet, and probably not trusting of me because I was a member of the media. But, you know, I could. I could tell where he just looked around the whole night. We were in a booth, and I think it was Leroy Selman's restaurant, and he just looking around constantly because people would walk by and he didn't know how they were going to react to him. But, I mean, we've had him on subsequently, and we've talked football and, you know, he. He knows what happened, and, you know, he could even have a dog and want to have a dog for his kids. And, you know, so there's a lot tied up in all of that. And I don't know, it sounds like, you know, these universities may be past that and giving him an opportunity to coach. So maybe he can walk in and, you know, he doesn't have the same impact that Dion had, but nobody does. But maybe they'll listen to him. Maybe you can recruit. Maybe he can build something there at Norfolk State or Sacramento State.