Hour 2 – NFL Pre-Season Odds, JC Tretter

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: NFL Pre-Season Odds & The NFL Players Association Crisis Featuring JC Tretter Release Date: July 22, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Patrick Show, host Dan Patrick, along with co-hosts Seaton and Paulie, delve deep into the tumultuous state of the NFL Players Association (NFLPA) amidst pre-season activities. The spotlight is on former player and NFLPA executive, J.C. Tretter, who discusses his recent decision to step down from his role amidst ongoing controversies.

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Poll Results: Jerry Jones vs. Mike Brown

The show begins with the hosts presenting the results of a recent three-headed poll:

• Poll Question: Based on comments about Micah Parsons and Dak Prescott, should Jerry Jones have made those remarks?

  • Result: 76% of the audience believes Jones shouldn't have said that, despite opinions that he wasn't necessarily wrong.

• Additional Polls:

  • Jerry Jones vs. Mike Brown on bothersome comments: 72% favored Jerry Jones as more bothersome.

  • Team Preferences: 74% of the audience favored team players over owners or league officials.

Notable Quote:

J.C. Tretter (02:01): "We're struggling to try to help people help themselves and each other."

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NFL Players Association Under Fire

The core of the discussion revolves around the internal issues plaguing the NFLPA. Former executive J.C. Tretter reveals his decision to step down, citing personal sacrifices and conflicts within the organization.

Key Points:

• Contract Negotiations:

  • Micah Parsons: Dan and J.C. discuss Jerry Jones' hesitance to fully commit to Parsons due to his previous injury, highlighting the challenges in guaranteeing contracts for players.

  • Trey Hendrickson: Mike Brown's emotional negotiation style with Hendrickson contrasts with the business-like approach of team owners. J.C. emphasizes that Hendrickson is fighting for his rightful compensation, not out of emotion tied to personal issues.

Notable Quotes:

J.C. Tretter (04:30): "That's his contract, it's his money. That's what he's fighting for."

Dan Patrick (05:50): "The Bengals desperately need Trey Hendrickson. They do."

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Super Bowl Odds Breakdown

Transitioning from NFLPA issues, the hosts analyze the latest Super Bowl odds provided by DraftKings, discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the top contenders.

Super Bowl Favorites:

1. Bills and Ravens: Favorites to reach the Super Bowl with odds at +600.
2. Eagles: +700
3. Chiefs: +850
4. Lions: +1,100
5. Commanders: +1,800

Notable Quote:

Paulie (07:41): "The Lions last year when they lost Hutchinson, they just seemed non-threatening. It kept them from the Super Bowl, probably."

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Celebrity Family Feud Controversy

A brief segment addresses accusations from Rich Eisen's show claiming that Celebrity Family Feud cheated during a game. The hosts express skepticism about the validity of these claims, suggesting possible misunderstandings or editing oversights.

Notable Dialogue:

Seaton (15:15): "They let him give the answer. We had the answer ready to steal it. This is not cheating."

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In-Depth Interview with J.C. Tretter

The episode culminates with an extensive interview with J.C. Tretter, where he elaborates on his resignation from the NFLPA and the underlying issues within the organization.

Key Discussion Points:

• Reasons for Stepping Down:

  • Personal Sacrifices: Tretter highlights the toll his role took on his family and personal reputation.

  • False Narratives: He addresses untrue stories circulating about his involvement in the collusion grievance and other controversies.

  • Desire for Transparency: Tretter emphasizes the need for transparency within the NFLPA and accountability for leadership.

• Collusion Grievance:

  • Tretter discusses the ongoing investigation into alleged collusion among NFL team owners to suppress player compensation. While the arbitrator found that the league encouraged collusion, there was insufficient evidence to prove that team owners acted on these recommendations.

Notable Quotes:

J.C. Tretter (26:39): "I have frustrations now because there are stories out there that just are patently not true."

J.C. Tretter (29:16): "If I knew the league was colluding against Russell, I would apologize because I would know there were factors outside his control that were illegal and not allowed to happen."

• Future of NFLPA:

  • Tretter calls for the players to unite and seek new leadership that truly represents their interests, free from conflicts of interest and external pressures.

Notable Quote:

J.C. Tretter (33:45): "The players need to come together. They need to find an interim leader and then search for someone who can lead them moving forward."

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Conclusion

The episode wraps up with the hosts reflecting on the gravity of the NFLPA situation, emphasizing the need for integrity and effective representation for the players. They also touch upon broader issues within the NFL, such as player health benefits and career support post-retirement.

Final Notable Quote:

J.C. Tretter (35:36): "The players deserve better than this because they get taken advantage of."

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Closing Remarks

Dan Patrick signs off by reminding listeners to tune into upcoming shows and stay informed about ongoing NFL developments. The episode provides a comprehensive look into the challenges facing the NFLPA and the broader implications for players and the league.

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Transcript

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[Seaton]

We don't know why it's healthy and.

[J.C. Tretter]

We'Re struggling to try to help people help themselves and each other.

[Dan Patrick]

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[J.C. Tretter]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick.

[Seaton]

Show on Fox Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Tuesday. Dan and the Danette Stan Patrick show coming up in about 20 minutes. The mess that is the NFL Players Association. Former NFL player JC Treader is stepping down in his role. He was number two, the number two man in charge there of the NFL Players association. And there's a whole lot going on there. So we'll try to sort through that with J.C. treader, who will join us coming up. 877-3-DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the app and we say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. Operator Tyler sitting by. He'll take your phone calls. 877-3-DP-SHoSH can you give us the results? We had a three headed monster poll question there in the first hour of the program. Seaton Heck yeah. Let's see. Jerry Jones, based off of his comments about Micah Parsons and Dak Prescott, Jerry Jones shouldn't have said that and or wasn't wrong. Those are your two options right now. 76% of the audience say that he shouldn't have said that despite the fact that he was not wrong in the things that he said. Yes, more bothersome comments from Jerry Jones or Mike Brown. Mike Brown calling Trey Hendrickson emotional and said he pushes too hard. Right now, 72% have. Jerry Jones is more bothersome. And with NFL contract situations, I'm team owners in league or players, 74% of the audience are team player. Okay, let me play which I should have done to start with. Here is Jerry Jones on his issue with signing Micah Parsons. Just because we sign him doesn't mean we're going to have him. He was hurt six games last year.

[Dan Patrick]

Seriously, we've signed.

[J.C. Tretter]

I remember signing a player for the.

[Seaton]

Highest paid at the position in the league and he got knocked out 2/3 of the year. Dak Prescott. So there's a lot of things you can think about just as the player does when you're thinking about committing and guaranteeing money. Okay. Why do you sign anybody to contract extension? Everybody can get hurt. Yeah. Okay. Here's Mike Brown, the Bengals owner, on the situation with Trey Hendrickson. We aren't going to trade Trey. We're working to get Trey sign as we speak here. There are guys over in the office working to get that done. We like Trey as a person. He's a good guy. But when it comes to these negotiations and we've been through a few of them with him. He pushes hard, he gets emotional. We never have an easy time of it. But there's one thing that is consistent. It always gets done. And I think this one will. Okay. We don't need to bring up that he's emotional. It's his contract. If Mike Brown had a contract that he was negotiating, he would probably be emotional about it. He would be pushing. He would be doing what Trey Hendricks is doing. The thing with Mike Brown and all these owners, they handle all of these contracts. They, they have no emotion attached to it or they shouldn't. They're business people. Trey Hendrickson is a businessman trying to get paid. That's all. Is he going to be emotional? Yes. It's his contract, it's his money. That's what he's fighting for. I guess I'm just not smart enough to be an owner, but I'm not rich enough to be an owner. But I would not be applying the logic of, you know what, let me take a shot at Micah Parsons and Doc Prescott. I'm going to give you a twofer here. Dallas media, you're welcome. And the Bengals is Trey Hendrickson at that age where 30. Do you want to pay him? Well, T.J. watt got paid. Now, Trey Hendrickson is not T.J. watt, but those numbers are pretty impressive that he's put up the last two years. And the Bengals desperately need Trey Hendrickson. They do. Because that defense, we saw what it was. And even your first round pick, Shemar Stewart, not in camp either. He's an edge rusher I would think if you're going to make a run at the Ravens and right now I got draftkings just sent me the odds, super bowl odds. It's the Bills and the Ravens are the favorites to go to the Super Bowl. Then it's the Eagles, then Chiefs, Lions and then Commanders pretty far down the list. But they're the what, seventh best odds there. So bills and ravens at plus 600. Eagles plus 700. Chiefs plus 850. Lions plus 1100. Commanders plus 1800. Yes, Pauline.

[Paulie]

And there's so much importance, this is so obvious on a defensive pass rusher. The Lions last year when they lose Hutchinson, they just seem non threatening. It kept them from the super bowl probably. I mean it's, it's one of the, it's one of the things like they've got wide receivers in the Bengals and they're going to have to outscore everybody and that's their plan. But you Got to have one guy, you got to have one killer at the defensive line.

[Seaton]

And I was curious about this. Well, I'm, I'm curious why this player was given the best odds to be the defensive player of the year this upcoming season. Aiden Hutchinson from the lions, according to DraftKings, had the best odds to be the defensive player of the year. Coming off the injury, TJ Watt got paid, Miles Garrett got paid, Michael Parsons going to get paid. Unless they think, well, those guys are, they got paid, maybe they're not going to have that. I'm going to go crazy this season. Yes. Marvin, does he have the best odds for comeback player of the year also? I'm going to guess if you're the defensive player of the year, you're probably going to be. Did anybody almost die last season? No. What about Joe Flacco? He came back from off the couch. Is there still a chance? And I haven't heard much about the Cleveland Browns. You know, they're, they're pretty quiet there because I have somebody who is pretty good at kind of keep me in the loop with the Cleveland Browns. Not that I'm asking to be in the loop for too much with the Cleveland Browns, but just the quarterbacking situation is fascinating. And as a source tells me, hey, if it doesn't go well this year, they have two first round picks and they, and it's always the next year is the better quarterback year. Man, you're going to want to wait until next year. I don't even know if Arch Manning's coming out next year. No guarantee. I would be surprised if he came out next year unless they won the national title. He won the Heisman then maybe. But I get the feeling, you know, money is not the issue. So the family might say, if you're enjoying it, then get more seasoned. You just don't want to take a quarterback who has less than 25 starts in college like you. You really. Scouts will tell you give me a larger sample size because if you look where they've whiffed on some quarterbacks, usually they played one really, really good season. I mean even look at Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, like you're just, I mean these are recent bust where you go, hey, we're going to take that guy. I want to see what you do when you don't play well. I want to see when you struggle a little bit. You know, that was what concerns scouts. I think on Jordan Love is, hey, when he had a really good roster, he was really good. It's the following year. Or Josh Allen when he had a really good roster and then he didn't have a really good roster, and then you're trying to figure out just how good you are. You tell me more when you're struggling and how you respond to that when everything's going great. It doesn't happen that way in the NFL. And if it does, it doesn't last long. Yes, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Last week, the AP has the comeback player of the year and the award for 25 26. The current odds according to DraftKings. Dak Prescott and Aiden Hutchinson are the favorites right now. Christian McCaffrey, Trevor Lawrence of the Jaguars. Here's one. J.J. mcCarthy of the Vikings. Was he ever there to come back? I know he got injured, right?

[Seaton]

I don't know the technicalities here.

[Paulie]

It wasn't injured.

[Seaton]

I would have thought if you came back from dying, that that, like, the language should be in your favor. Demar Hamlin, right? Being comeback player of the year. Yes, Marvin.

[Dan Patrick]

But Joe Flacco had an NFL death, though, almost.

[Seaton]

He was sitting on the couch. True. And he played better. He led him to the playoffs. He came back from the couch. You imagine Jamar Hamlin, Joe Flacco, you know, they're. They're waiting, you know, for this to be announced, and they're like, yeah, you know, how was it? Man, it was tough getting off that couch. What about you? Well, I died a couple of times. But, hey, you know, Joe, you. You had a good year. And congratulations for comeback player of the year. Demar Hamlin did something that not many people have done. I mean, one person did it a long time ago. Yes. All right, so NFL camps are open for business. Veterans showing up. And as we inch closer, how many days? How many days until the start? Don't we have our. Our big graphic that we put up on the program? Do we have that, too? How many days is it up there? There you go. 44 days. 4 days. And how many hours and how many minutes? 10 hours, 8 minutes, 56 seconds. Let's go. Okay. All right. All right. Ready to go. There it is. Yeah, we got it. Fireworks, sparklers. Yes. Seaton. Is that counting down to the very first kickoff, or is that just counting down to. That's to a kickoff. Can we get a video on how accurate it is once kickoff happens? That, to me, is the best payoff of this whole graphic, is how accurate, how close to the actual kickoff do they get? And then maybe we can even play some bets on that. Okay. Yes. Paul.

[Paulie]

Yeah, this looks pretty close. Our. Our tracker has kickoff around 8:15 Eastern that night, which is usually about right for those national TV games. Bonus coverage. Guess who won comeback player of the year award last year for the second time in his career? Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow. Two time winner, comeback player of the year.

[Seaton]

He won that last year. He did. From what? Yeah, I don't know. Yes. Marvin, can you come back from just playing bad? Daniel Jones was my pick a couple years ago. You guys are coming. Come back from what I said being sorry. I don't know if you can win for that.

[Paulie]

Chad Pennington won it twice. Remember that? With the Jets.

[Seaton]

Of course you did.

[Paulie]

Never forget.

[Seaton]

Of course.

[Paulie]

He won it in 06, didn't win in 07, and then won it again in 08.

[Seaton]

I like it. At the end of last hour, Doug in North Carolina dropped a bombshell where he talked about maybe we cheated. Fritzi cheated. Celebrity Family Feud. And there was a moment. Now, do we have that clip where frit did we have that? Where Fritzi answers and then Steve says no, and then Fritzi gets to answer again. Marvin. No, actually, the clips are TJ from the Rich Eisen show and Rich Eisen himself complaining that we cheated. But I don't care about Rich Eisen show that. I mean, they got humiliated and they're trying to save face by saying that Fritz, he got a little bit of help. All right, here is Rich Eisen. He's protesting the Family Feud results. If there is some sort of standing, we can have to protest the result 100%.

[J.C. Tretter]

We can.

[Seaton]

I'm just saying it was like we were told specifically, we can protest the.

[Dan Patrick]

Result because we never gotten the board.

[Seaton]

Back because he gave the answer we were sitting on.

[J.C. Tretter]

Yeah, and then.

[Seaton]

That's right. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

He gave that answer on his second.

[Seaton]

Bite at that apple. Okay, so that's Rich, who's very desperate. TJ is his producer and he accused us of cheating.

[J.C. Tretter]

The one thing they told us before.

[Seaton]

The show was like, if someone gives an answer, and if you. Oh, that's right.

[J.C. Tretter]

Answer.

[Seaton]

It's an X. Well, you know, not to complain, but at one point, the pot was really big. It was about, let's say, 200 plus points. Yeah, Fritz, he gave an answer that was already given. Yep. They let him give the answer. We had the answer. Ready to steal. Ready to steal it. Okay, this is not cheating. We didn't purposely do something that maybe if somebody made a mistake. How do we know you had the answer? You guys didn't have any answers the entire show. And now you're coming up with an answer.

[Paulie]

Light them up.

[Seaton]

Hey, you've. You've accused us of cheating, all right? We didn't cheat. We did, you know, what we were told to do. And Steve said, go again, Fritz. He went again and got the answer. But I can't count on those guys to say that they had the right answer because they had some stupid answers. Yes, Todd, I was just curious what that.

[J.C. Tretter]

I know we don't have it, but what that answer was, I honestly don't recall Steve saying.

[Seaton]

It's already up there.

[Dan Patrick]

Try again. Or any.

[Paulie]

Anything of that.

[Seaton]

But, you know, if that's what happened, that's what happened. But I'd love to hear what that answer was. Well, why don't we find that? I thought we had the entire show. I got to be honest with you. Even listening to them talk right there, I still have no idea what they're talking about. I don't know what question they're talking about. I don't know what answer they're looking for. I don't know what pot it was. I don't really know any of those things. Well, see if we can find that clip there from Celebrity Family Feud. But there's no rematch here. I mean, that they're trying to save face. I. I will say that the Rich Eisen's wife reached out to me after the show and talked about how stupid the Rich Eisen show sounded. That's not right.

[Paulie]

No, that's all.

[Seaton]

Be nice. That's. No.

[Paulie]

No.

[Seaton]

No glove. Gloves are off. Gloves are off. You accused us of cheating, and Rich's wife accused them of being stupid. Okay, yes, Barb here, you're like Jerry Jones right now. You shouldn't have said that. But you're not wrong. I'm. I'm just. I'm just telling you. Let me see. Okay. Congrats on the big win. Those guys are morons. I might lock Rich out of the house. Okay, that's Rich Eisen's wife, who text me after our great performance on Celebrity Family. Yes. Yes, Paul.

[Paulie]

As far as the audio of the alleged incident, I watched the show twice. What? They edit a lot during the show. I remember Fritzi going for an answer, and he answered something that was up there, and then they said, no, no, and he answered the right thing. Next, quickly, they kind of corrected him. It didn't make the final edit. I don't think it made the final edit because I didn't see it when I watched the show. So I don't know if we could play the audio, because we don't have the audio.

[Seaton]

Okay. Well, maybe it's Todd, why don't you reach out to Steve Harvey, have him on the show. I think we should. Okay, yeah, we can see. Maybe you can clarify that. But if, if, if anything happened, it was a mistake. I need Dan, I need Rich. Let's.

[Dan Patrick]

Quite a few.

[Seaton]

No cheating. All right, thank you, Todd. But we didn't cheat that maybe somebody made a mistake on Steve Harvey's part. And Rich should be calling out Steve Harvey, not us. But it was weird that we're celebrating jumping up and down after we won, and all of a sudden one of Rich's producers said, you know, he helped you out there. I mean, you never should have gotten that second chance with R. What we just won. Shh, be quiet. All right, let me take a break. Players association is a mess in the NFL. JC Treader, former center and the number two man in charge there has decided to step down and we'll ask him what exactly is going on. Went on. He'll join us next year. Dan Patrick show.

[J.C. Tretter]

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[Seaton]

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[Seaton]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[Seaton]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[Seaton]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[Paulie]

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[J.C. Tretter]

They're wearing Kobe's shirt.

[Dan Patrick]

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[J.C. Tretter]

Close your eyes and tell me what.

[Dan Patrick]

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[J.C. Tretter]

They're not going to describe someone who looks like me, and they're not going.

[Paulie]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Seaton]

We'll get to more phone calls coming up. Update our poll results 8773-DP-SHOP JC Treader, former Center with the Browns and the packers, former NFL Players association president and chief strategy officer. At least those were former titles because he has decided to step down. Why are you stepping down, jc?

[J.C. Tretter]

Yeah, I. I feel like I had nothing left to give the organization. I felt like as a player I sacrificed the back end of my career and I sacrificed time with my family and I did those for the players and I would do them again. I love working for the players. In the last five weeks, I feel like I've had to sacrifice my public reputation. There's been some stories out there about me that aren't true, and I've been asked to sit on that and not talk about it. And that was for the organization, that wasn't for the players. And in the end, I feel like I couldn't do that anymore. I've always said the only thing I've ever wanted to care about was being a great dad and a great husband. And once this job wasn't fun anymore or hurt my family, I was out. And it happened both of those at the same time, and it was time for me to leave.

[Seaton]

So Lloyd Howell Jr. The former NFL Players association executive, has decided to step down as well. Be specific on what you're talking about. That is not true. That's being said about you.

[J.C. Tretter]

Yeah, I mean, there's been a lot of narratives spun. The idea that I buried the collusion grievance. I've never seen the collusion grievance. The collusion. I don't have access to the collusion grievance. I wasn't in any discussions about the collusion grievance. Just not part of my job. The idea that I've been angling for the executive director job since I was a president, also not true. I was asked to run for executive director during the last search. I declined because it would take me away from my family for too much and I wanted to be with my kids. I've got two young kids. I love watching them grow up. There's been a story about us firing an arbitrator that said it was because of me. I don't fire arbitrators. That's Legal's department. I don't do that stuff. So a lot of things had been rolled down to this must be JC's fault. And that's not where I sit in the organization. And that's not the type of person I am. And I didn't want people thinking that was the type of person I am.

[Seaton]

ESPN reported last week that Howell struck a confidentiality agreement with the NFL six months ago, hid that from the players. And that was a January arbitration decision finding that the league executive urged team owners to reduce guarantee player compensation. When did you find out about that collusion?

[J.C. Tretter]

I know we lost the collusion grievance in January. That, that I knew that I didn't know of any agreements or what was happening with that because it's not part of my department. Once it leaked a few weeks ago, I started learning more. I was on the board call and the EC call when it was explained what had happened over the last six months to the players. So I know more now, but at that point I knew nothing. I wasn't involved in the discussions.

[Seaton]

There's a quote where you're saying something about Russell Wilson not getting a guaranteed contract with the Denver Broncos. Would you elaborate on that? Is that a accurate quote?

[J.C. Tretter]

Yeah. So that's the thing about being deposed. They get your phone, they read all your text messages. It's not, not comfortable. But those are all, those are all facts. So what had happened was when I retired, I actually did an interview and I talked about. They asked about guaranteed contracts. And I said the next best person to get a guaranteed contract is Russell Wilson. I thought he was traded for assets similar to Deshaun Watson. He's a former super bowl winner. The team can't just let him leave. They have a lot of pressure on him. They also have a cash rich owner. There was a lot of things in his favor to get a guaranteed contract. When he did not get a guaranteed contract, I texted D and I called him a loser and I called him a wuss. And I was upset in that moment because I felt like we were missing an opportunity to get guaranteed contracts. We had Kirk Cousins get one years ago and no one came behind him. And then I was worried we're gonna have the same thing and we're gonna miss an opportunity for players to get guaranteed contracts. That was before the collusion grievance was launched. That was before the idea of collusion had come up. Months later was when we launched the collusion grievance. And that's why in my deposition, they asked me about it and I said if I knew the league was colluding against Russell, I would apologize because I would know there was factors outside his control that were illegal and not allowed to happen. But I didn't know that at the time I sent the text message.

[Seaton]

Do you think that owners have been colluding on no more guaranteed contracts.

[J.C. Tretter]

I can only know what was in that report, which is the arbitrator found that the league encouraged teams to collude, but the arbitrator did not feel like the NFLPA proved that the teams acted on that recommendation and that there is no damages that we could prove either at this point. Now this is still pending. So even though it was, quote hidden, it was in a standstill agreement and the right to appeal was still there. So the NFLPA is appealing. So this is still open and could potentially change. So this is still a pending investigation or a pending matter and I hope it comes out or I hope it's proven that we are able to prove those other two pieces that are needed to win the entire collusion group.

[Seaton]

But don't isn't there a public record of the owner of the Chargers and the owner of the Cardinals talking about guaranteed contracts for their respective quarterbacks?

[J.C. Tretter]

Yeah, everything in that collusion we can talk about what it looks like and then what the findings were or what the arbitrator ruled. And I think one of those is what's the public messaging versus what's the actual findings? And the actual findings as of now is that they wasn't found that they were colluding. That is still under appeal. And I think the hope is that that changes when it goes to a three judge panel.

[Seaton]

J.C. treader, former NFLPA president, Chief Strategy Officer and of course former NFL player. Some of these other things with Lloyd Howell Jr. ESPN reported that he was sued for sexual discrimination and retaliation in 2011 when he was an executive at another job, strip club, going to strip clubs. I don't know who went to the strip clubs. Why is the NFLPA doing business at strip clubs? And were you aware of the sexual discrimination or the retaliation with the former head of the nflpa?

[J.C. Tretter]

We were aware of those during the search. We brought up those that came out in the background check. We asked him questions during the interviews both with the executive committee and at the final board meeting. We asked him directly about those. He explained his side of the story and the board was comfortable with his answer. And that's how it proceeded. When it comes to the strip club, I was not there. I've never been to a strip club. I don't drink. I don't do anything in that realm. That should not have happened. I wouldn't have done it. It should not have happened. I'm not going to talk about who else was there. That's not my business. I was not. And that's a bad look, but is.

[Seaton]

It a business meeting at two different strip clubs? Like I'm trying to understand. And the fact that he charges it to the NFL Players Association. Correct, Correct.

[J.C. Tretter]

That was the story. I do not condone it at all. I do not think it is right. It should never have happened. It should never happen going forward.

[Seaton]

How do you think players should feel about the NFL Players association now?

[J.C. Tretter]

This is not where we wanted to be when we launched the search years ago. We were looking for an executive director that was going to be here for two plus terms. That's like 10 years. Years that did not happen. So this is not part of the plan. I think what's the most important thing for the players right now is to understand that this is their union. The players need to come together. They need to find an interim to lead in the time being. And then they need to find a search to find somebody that is going to lead them going forward. And this is not the timeline we wanted. We wanted a longer Runway going into the next cba, but these are now where the chips have fallen. And I think the players need to take a very hard look at the organization about what to do moving forward and find the person that's going to come in and make this organization what they want it to be. Because in the end, the players are the most important part of this. That's who leads this. That's who this is all about. And the players need to dive in and take care of it.

[Seaton]

What's the feedback been from current players over the last couple of months?

[J.C. Tretter]

I mean, this is also a weird time in the schedule where a lot of guys are away, so I don't think a lot of people are paying attention to the news. I've heard from a lot of guys in the last couple days as they get back in the locker rooms and start talking. I've heard a lot of disappointment for me leaving, which I appreciate. Again, I've told them I've loved working for the players since I became president. It has been an honor and that no matter what happens, I will always be there for them because that has been always my motivation is just doing what's best for the guys. And that was one of the toughest parts about leaving was I feel like I lose opportunities to do work for the guys. And that's sad. It was a very emotional weekend for me and I finally woke up with some clarity of this is the best decision for me and my family. But I'm always going to be sad about leaving the organization because Those guys do a ton of work and I understand what they go through and what they put on the line and what they deserve. And I really want them to get what they deserve.

[Seaton]

Speaking to a couple of people involved in this and they said they're just a lack of transparency, that it felt like that even when you hired how that it was kind of cloaked and you know, it was a clandestine, shrouded in secrecy type of thing. How much of a, I mean, guilty of lack of transparency would you say that's a fair assessment of the NFL Players Association?

[J.C. Tretter]

I mean, if we go back to the search process, yeah, you can say there was a lack of transparency to the outside. Right. Like, but that's not exactly who we represent. Like, I don't think we owe the outside transparency. I think we discussed it as player leadership, what the search process should look like. We had two previous search processes that weren't good. So it's not like what we used to have was a great option that that bared great results wasn't true. So we did something different that the players voted on unanimously and we executed exactly what we as players decided. And that decision was we wanted the players to make their decision without outside interference telling what they should make. And we did that. And in the end, you are judged by your results. And the results were not what we wanted. Again, we wanted somebody here for the next 10 years. That did not happen. So I think when they launch their next search, they should have a discussion learning from the mistakes of the two previous searches, but also the last one of what they want to change and what they want to do different. No search is perfect. I think there are changes needed and I think they will figure out what exactly they're looking for and grow from those. But yeah, I think the transparency is a. Is an issue that we talk about of what needs to be known. Again, I have frustrations now because you have two sides of the coin. One of, well, let the. Let the public dive in and get to know these candidates and share what they found out about them. But I look at my situation where there's been a ton of stories out there that just are patently not true. And that's not fair to people. It's not fair for somebody with an ax to grind to put out information that isn't true and bury someone's reputation and impact their standing amongst the union. So there are different ways to look at what people should be able to share information on. And I think the guys will end up making the right decision on how they want to run it going forward.

[Seaton]

But I'm also looking at this report ESPN had in May the FBI investigating the financial dealings of the NFLPA and the Baseball Players Association. This is a multi billion dollar group, licensing firm, one team partners. Like there's a lot of stuff going on here. Your chief strategy officer. And it feels like nobody knows or knew what was going on here.

[J.C. Tretter]

Yeah, I'm not going to comment on the investigation. One, I'm not at the organization anymore in that capacity, so I'm not going to speak about it.

[Seaton]

I will say that's ongoing. Is that right?

[J.C. Tretter]

Correct. And we have outside counsel looking into it with a group of players looking into it. And that's the important part. Right. We have active players who are on a committee to dive into these issues and evaluate all the issues. Because in the end it's the players union and the players have to know what's going on. And the players deserve to know what's going on. You're right. And that is a problem. And the players need to get to the bottom of it. And they will. I'm confident they will.

[Seaton]

When are we going to 18 games?

[J.C. Tretter]

I don't know. That's a CBA issue.

[Seaton]

So whenever you guys have had discussions for a while about this. So are there concessions that you're asking for the players?

[J.C. Tretter]

No, not at this point. Again, I think Rogers made it clear. Anytime the microphone gets in his face, he brings up 18 games. So I think he's been clear about what they want. But in the end they can't unilaterally impose that. That needs to be something that's given in a CBA negotiations. And those haven't started and those probably aren't going to start for a while at this point with everything going on. And in the end, that is a major. If that is something players are ever willing to give, that is a major give that damages players, hurts them bad. I know Roger went on a long list of things recently around sharing costs and lowering cash payments and more international games. Those are all things that are really bad for players. And I think players shouldn't rush into a conversation when the other side is listing off a long list of demands that are really bad for them. We have a CBA until 2031. There is no need to rush into those negotiations. If they want to have an early discussion with the players, then they should have a list of things of why it's good for the players. And I haven't heard a reason why having an early negotiation is good for the players at this point.

[Seaton]

Do the player, should the players trust the commissioner?

[J.C. Tretter]

This isn't a shot at his character. He works on the other side. There's labor and management. He has bosses that are not the players. He has interests that are not the players interests. So you probably should not trust the person who negotiates on the other side of the table because he has other interests besides that. I think the players need to find a leader, an executive director that they do trust and they want in that room to negotiate their behalf for their best interest. That is how unions work. You need a leader of that union to represent the player's interest and you trust that person. You don't trust the person on the other side of the table.

[Seaton]

I ran into Jim McMahon in Tahoe and he's in bad shape. I think there was thought that he might, might lose part of his leg. And I said, well, but don't you have health benefits? And he said no. So why doesn't Jim McMahon like help me understand this? I mean, do you get it for like five years and then that's it, you're done?

[J.C. Tretter]

So there's a couple different ways, I think. One, we've talked about lifetime health care forever. That's been a conversation for 25 years, probably longer at the union. The issue is that is not an option because no one is offering lifetime healthcare. To get lifetime healthcare, you need an institution to give you lifetime healthcare and there is nobody willing to offer it. No one's willing to take on that risk no matter what the payment is. So that's the reality. So the next step goes. How do you get insurance to players? What we have right now is if you, if you vest, you get five years post career health insurance. You also build up an HRA account. If you map those out, you can build up some insurance for a while. What we need to do is find other ways to supplement the insurance coverage until we have an institution that is willing to give us lifetime health care and we have the money to pay for it. Because again, that is part of the revenue split. Everything comes out of the revenue split. So if we wanted lifetime healthcare and we could afford it, it would come out of whether the salary cap or other benefits. But right now that is not an option. So I think one of the important things of the union is going through and figuring out how to give coverage coverage. We have disability benefits, we have health, we have HRA accounts, we have post career health care. We have a bunch of different things that if you stack up the right way, you can have coverage for a long time. But it's not as clean as just like a single plan that lasts forever.

[Seaton]

Jc, thanks for joining us. Good luck.

[J.C. Tretter]

Absolutely. Thank you.

[Seaton]

JC Treader, former NFLPA president, Chief Strategy officer and of course played in the NFL. I heard from a lot of different people, heard a lot. I heard from a current player, former player, current agent and somebody in the home office of the NFL. When they realized we were hap, they reached out to me and everybody kind of had the same thought of don't let him off the hook. This is about a democracy. You're supposed to be running this. There's supposed to be transparency. There's a lot going on. The vetting process for hiring the guy at the NFL PA I don't know, it's hard to go, you know, 2011 sexual discrimination, retaliation might stand out a little bit there. You know, prior jobs, companies, issues there. And then all of a sudden you got somebody that's put in place here. But going to strip clubs and then charging that. But you know, back to the NFL. PA I mean that's bold. That's bold. The players deserve better than this because they get taken advantage of. It feels like every time there's a collective bargaining agreement, you know, it's not like baseball, baseball's union, when Donald Pier was running it, Marvin Miller, nobody messed with it. They ran the show. You know, that's unfortunate that, you know, somebody puts self interest, you know, having a myopic view. Do I think there was collusion? Yes, I do. I think that these owners realized, and I was told this specifically right after the DeSean Watson deal, two owners were livid, livid. And I said, well, are there quarterbacks going to be coming up for guaranteed contracts? And I was told yes. So do I think that, you know, Bidwell and Spanos talked about Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray? Yes, I do. Yes. Does anything happen? I mean that's really the key as we move forward. Does anything really happen with any of this other than you get new people in there? Not sure. Take a break. Back after this.

[J.C. Tretter]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[Seaton]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[Paulie]

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[J.C. Tretter]

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[Seaton]

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[Seaton]

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[Seaton]

I apologize privately. I will apologize publicly to Jim McMahon, the former Chicago Bear quarterback. I shared details of a conversation I had with him at Lake Tahoe, and he was. He was in good spirits, but he talked about how messed up his ankle is and had surgery and thought that he might lose his leg or a portion of his leg. And I talked about, you know, what kind of health plan? Health care plan with the NFL. And he said, we don't have any. So he's paying out of pocket for all these procedures. And, and I go back a long way with Jim. There were. There were some years that were really, really dark, dark years for Jim McMahon. Stayed in bed most of the day, shades were shut. He just sat there and watched war movies and battling depression. And, you know, they finally figured out what was causing this. And he's, he's still in good spirits. But I, I, I probably should have kept that to myself, but was trying to make a point to J.C. treader, formerly of the NFL Players association, that we kick these guys to the curb. I mean, it's, it's such a. What are you, what are you doing for me now? What have you done for me lately? And, you know, we all have memories of Jim McMahon, but then all of a sudden, you look up, it's like Steve McMichael, the former Chicago Bear. Great. Like, these guys have to live with what injuries. They sign up for this. I know that all of that. I understand that there just should be a better process, better care for these players when they're done, because we move on. And then we'll see somebody. You'll see Earl Campbell in a wheelchair. And I remember seeing him years ago in Houston. I went, oh, my God, he couldn't walk. Earl Campbell couldn't walk. You see a lot of these players, and it. Sometimes it's physical, sometimes it's mental, sometimes it's both. But being a star, and then that's it, gone. So I, I brought that up, probably selfishly, because I felt bad when I saw Jim in Tahoe. And once again, McMahon had a smile on his face, and he wasn't complaining. He was laughing, telling jokes. He was being Jim McMahon. But I said, man, you're limping. He goes, oh, man. Let me show you this. He showed me surgeries. Oh, God. And that's when I said, oh, well, you, you know, how's your health care plan? He goes, we don't have any. I went, oh, my God. He goes, I'm paying out of pocket. I don't know what he's making now, because he doesn't do anything. But. Yeah, so. And with the NFL Players Association, I know that might be inside football, but, you know, questions need to be asked sometimes. And I appreciate JC Treader coming on, but. But I just don't think you can have the title of Chief Strategy Officer and not be aware of what's going on. And it feels like there's a lot of finger pointing and nobody's really taken accountability here. But at least he came on. I appreciate that because a lot of people in his position probably would not. So. All right, we got a minute and a half. I don't even know what direction to go in a minute and a half here. So I apologize.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, you can read more about it if you go to NFL.com, there's pretty clear websites and things about benefits for former players, vested players who have played at least two years. Generally after you retire or leave the game, you get about five years of coverage via the NFL if you're vested, meaning playing two or more. So there's a lot of detail there you could read about, but it's really capped at five seasons after you retire, no matter how long you play.

[Seaton]

A shout out to Pablo Torre because he's been doing great investigative work here and he's the one who uncovered a lot of this information that's coming out now that maybe we wouldn't have known about it, but owners colluding, the head of the players association, you know his backstory, going to strip clubs and just feels like there's a lot that's going on there and probably more fallout to happen. All right, two hours in the books. One more to go on this Tuesday. Fritzi Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly, Dan.

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