Hour 2 – NFL Week 11 Full Recap, Paul Skenes

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Hour 2 – NFL Week 11 Full Recap, Paul Skenes
Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Dan Patrick
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts / Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show (Hour 2) centers on a comprehensive NFL Week 11 recap, captivating discussions about scoring droughts, coaching carousel rumors (especially with Lane Kiffin), and an in-depth interview with unanimous NL Cy Young winner and MLB Rookie of the Year Paul Skenes. The show balances insider sports analysis, audience call-ins, and its trademark banter, culminating in honest takes on athlete loyalty and team-building in today’s sports climate.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. NFL Week 11 Recap & Scoring Droughts (02:35–06:39)

• Cowboys vs Raiders Recap

  • Dan breaks down Dallas’s 33–16 win over Las Vegas, commenting on the Cowboys' playoff chances and noting the "home game" feel for Dallas fans in Vegas.
  • The Raiders' offensive struggles are highlighted—averaging just 15.5 points per game and ranking 31st in the NFL.

• Titan’s Historic Low Scoring

  • Paulie: “Titans... have six passing touchdowns and four rushing touchdowns on the season, lowest in the NFL.” (05:09)
  • Dan wonders if the Titans could set a new low mark for touchdowns over the past two decades.
  • Paulie cites the 2000 Browns (16 total TDs) and 2006 Raiders (12 total TDs) as basement-dwellers, with the current Titans possibly challenging the record.

2. College Football Coaching Carousel: Lane Kiffin Rumors (06:39–14:02)

• Lane Kiffin’s Ole Miss Future

  • Reports indicate Lane Kiffin’s family visiting LSU and Florida, possibly as leverage for contract negotiations.
  • Dan: “It’s weird when you go, hey, we want you here. We’re going to give you a bigger offer, but you’re going to go and talk to these other schools... I’d love for an athletic director to say, are you looking at other jobs? Does that violate your contract?” (08:43)
  • Paulie details Ole Miss giving Kiffin a deadline prior to the Egg Bowl for his decision.

• The Loyalty Dilemma

  • Todd compares coaching job-hunting to relationship “flirting.”
  • Dan’s stance: “If you want to go and talk to them, I would just say, then go... If you’re thinking about [retirement], then do it, because it’s already in your mind.” (12:26)
  • The group discusses how coaching loyalty is increasingly rare, with contracts seldom fulfilled.

3. Audience Call-In Highlights

• Iowa's Coaching Succession (15:00–16:25)

  • Caller Paul from Iowa asks about Kirk Ferencz’s tenure and the Hawkeyes’ future.
  • Dan: “I’m going to give credit to both sides for being loyal... Can you be better than this?”

• Cowboys Consistency (16:26–17:37)

  • Scotty from Vegas wants to know why Dallas can’t play consistently well; Dan points out the unpredictability of NFL teams, citing parity across the league.

• Pitbull Concert & Team Banter (18:01–19:19)

  • Entertaining side conversation about attending concerts like Pitbull and Post Malone as a group, showcasing the camaraderie of the Dan Patrick Show crew.

4. Feature Interview: Paul Skenes (24:18–37:39)

Cy Young Season and Awards (25:34–26:52)

• Skenes confirms he hasn’t received his Cy Young trophy yet, will display it “somewhere... nice and high, so you can see it in zooms like this.” (25:41)
• On being unanimous: “Winning the Cy Young is one thing. On unanimous is another... the unanimous was a nice touch.” (26:05)

Hitting and Two-way Play (27:05–27:42)

• Dan floats the “Ohtani question”—does Skenes envision DH or hitting?
• Skenes: “The portion I could do is stand in the box... I haven’t picked up a bat in two years... I’m good with what I’m doing.” (27:05)

Backup Catcher Possibility (27:42–28:01)

• Skenes: “I really believe [I could be backup catcher]... I don't think they would ever put me back there.”

Fastball and Pitching Science (28:26–29:50)

• His fastest pitch: “I think 102 [mph].” (28:30)
• On velocity focus: “Sitting 100 for me is better than hitting 102, but sitting 97, if that makes sense.” (28:41)
• Offseason plans: open to adding new pitches but no set plan yet.

Military Background and “Top Gun” Jokes (29:50–31:40)

• Skenes’ Air Force roots, “barely fit” cockpit, and missing the camaraderie: “The longer I’ve been away... it’s like, dang, I miss it."

On Losing with the Pirates & Trade Rumors (31:40–34:29)

• Adapting from LSU championship to Pirates struggles: “It’s tough... The Air Force is the winningest organization in the world... I haven’t had two great years team-wise in Pittsburgh.” (31:55)
• Regarding Yankees trade rumors: “It’s not true... Leaving before [winning in Pittsburgh] would leave a bad taste in my mouth.” (33:09)

Loyalty in Modern Sports (34:10–36:24)

• Skenes frames criticism of market dynamics: “There’ll be somebody that comes after you... It all comes down to how you look at it... fight to... raise the bar, you know, for us in Pittsburgh, but for the next player, wherever.” (34:29)
• Military discipline: “Still got to make the bed... Habits that are built inside you.” (35:28)

Notable Quotes

• “[Livvy] can kind of show my emotions for me. So it’s worked two years in a row.” (26:39)
• On loyalty: “...there’s something to be said for, they took a chance on you, you came in, you delivered, everybody wins. And if you want to go, you’re going to have your family on private planes going to Florida and lsu. Then you know what, why don’t you go?” —Dan Patrick (13:17)

Memorable Moments

• Skenes on most famous person he’s met: “Probably... Shane Gillis... down to earth, great dude, hilarious.” (36:30–37:12)
• Skenes on Air Force bed-making: “They don’t do [the quarter bounce] anymore... but some duct tape their beds to keep them tight.” (35:47)

5. Segment: Super Bowl “Stick or Pick” (43:51–46:56)

• The crew revisits pre-season Super Bowl picks and debates whether to “stick” with their original or pick new matchups midseason.
• Example:
  • Todd switching to “Rams over Bills” (44:23)
  • Dan proudly “sticking” with “Lions beat Chiefs” (45:02)

6. Quarterback Reps and the Shador Sanders Debate (47:21–51:34)

• Dan discusses the uproar over backup QB Shedor Sanders not getting first-team practice reps with the Browns.
• Calls out “click-based” media coverage: “You’re creating this story because Shador Sanders gets clicks, Dion gets clicks. Like, that’s it. And I just go, be fair to the story, be fair to the coach, be fair to the starting quarterback, be fair to the role of the backup quarterback. That’s all.” (50:51)
• Paulie references Peyton Manning: “...they gave Peyton Manning every first team rep unless Peyton wanted to get a sip of water or something because they would never plan on the backup being in... it’s [just] never happens.”

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Notable Quotes With Timestamps

• On Lane Kiffin’s Coaching Rumors and Loyalty
  • “I would tell you to go. If you want to go and talk to them, I would just say, then go.” —Dan Patrick (12:26)
  • “If you’re thinking about [retirement], then do it, because it’s already in your mind.” —Dan Patrick (12:26)
• On Small-Market MLB Team Realities
  • “I mean, I’m not the first person... been through this... It all comes down to how you look at it, right?... For us in Pittsburgh, but for the next player, wherever.” —Paul Skenes (34:29)
• Peak Skenes: On Winning and Staying Hungry
  • “I think it just comes down to being a professional. I've learned more and more how to do that and just be the, you know, be the same person every day.” —Paul Skenes (32:16)
• Media and Clicks: The Shador Sanders Rep Debate
  • “You’re creating this story because Shador Sanders gets clicks, Dion gets clicks. Like, that’s it.” —Dan Patrick (50:51)

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Segment Timestamps

• NFL Week 11 recap & Titans historic lows: 02:35–06:39
• Lane Kiffin rumors/coaching loyalty: 06:39–14:02
• Audience call-ins & banter: 15:00–19:19
• Paul Skenes full interview: 24:18–37:39
• Super Bowl Stick or Pick segment: 43:51–46:56
• Shador Sanders QB rep debate: 47:21–51:34

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Overall Tone

The episode is lively, irreverent, and candid—mixing sharp sports analysis with relatable, sometimes comedic banter. Dan’s tone is one of seasoned authority, both empathetic and unsparing, especially in calling out media narratives and sports loyalty myths.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode spotlights everything the Dan Patrick Show does best: sharp recaps, honest debates on loyalty in sports, and an insightful interview with a rising MLB star navigating professional adversity. You’ll come away with fresh perspectives on the NFL landscape, college coaching dynamics, and the personal side of an athlete’s journey—all with the show’s signature authenticity and wit.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on FOX Sports Radio, hour two on this Tuesday. We'll head to Vegas after the show Thursday and Friday at the Fountain Blue Hotel. If you want to stop by, we could have a studio audience there. We're going to be inside as opposed to the Super Bowl a couple of years ago. They treated us well. Wonderful place. The newest hotel on the strip. Paul Skins, the Pirate Cy Young Award winner will stop by. There was a little bit of a story last week or a couple of days ago where the report was Paul Skeens confided in a Pirate player. Unidentified Pirate player who said that he hopes to be traded to to the Yankees by next year's trade deadline. So we'll talk to him about that. I know that he and his girlfriend bought an apartment in New York and I don't know if you can connect the dots there. Maybe they she wants to be there. Give her more access with her career as well. So Paul Skeens will join us coming up here in about 20 minutes. Reggie Miller will join us next hour. You got the Cowboys over the Raiders 33, 16. So Dallas is 4, 5 and 1. Las Vegas is 2 and 8. You know, Vegas, I look at that offense and it's terrible. They're averaging 15 points a game. They're 31st in the NFL. Only the Titans. How many touchdowns have the Titans scored this year? Have the Titans scored like 10 touchdowns or is it maybe 12 touchdowns? But the Raiders averaging 15 and a half points per game this season. And I did think with Ashton Genty, Brock Bowers, Geno Smith, they were going to be able to score some points. Max Crosby, you know, one of my favorite players in the NFL was going to wreak havoc. You got Pete Carroll and maybe there was going to be something there. By the way, that felt like a home game for Dallas Cowboys last night. Easy travel. Hey, let's go to Vegas for a couple of days and watch our team win a game. And Dallas is in this. And, and I'm, I'm not saying that, you know, for clicks like they have a chance to be in this, but you got the Eagles coming up. You got a couple of tough games back to back to back. But at the end of the season they got the Giants and the Commanders. Maybe you could get, you know, maybe eight, nine wins. Maybe NFC's tougher though, than the AFC. There's a lot of quality teams there.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paulie, your Titans, by the way, have six passing touchdowns and four rushing touchdowns on the season, lowest in the NFL.

[Dan Patrick]

They have 10 touchdowns.

[Paulie]

Yeah. Balanced offense, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you gotta like the balance. I'd be curious. The fewest touchdowns this far into an NFL season because 10, 10 is sparse. Yes, Dylan. Feel like there had to be some of those Brown teams earlier this century that may have had less than that. All right, well, we'll look. Look at that. By the way, the calendars are available, autographed, non autographed. And go to dan patrick.com great for the holidays. And also check out the tailgate store as well. You can get an autograph calendar with select tailgate purchases while supplies. All right. Oh, did you find out the information?

[Paulie]

Paul got it kind of quickly. The lowest scoring teams of the past 25 years, the 2000 Browns scored only 161 points on the season. They had nine passing touchdowns and seven rushing touchdowns. The only thing worse than that, as far as scoring touchdowns, the Raiders of 06 scored 168 points. But it was seven passing touchdowns and only five rushing touchdowns. That's the worst I could find in the past quarter century.

[Dan Patrick]

So the Titans are on pace here.

[Paulie]

Oh, they got a record to break.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, they got. They got a chance. You're saying you got a chance.

[Paulie]

They got to slow things down on offense, though, to break the record. They gotta count things down.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, I think they're doing a pretty good job on their own. All right, we say good morning if you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner, or you're watching on NBC Sports Network, or you're listening on our radio affiliates around the country. Have another poll question coming up. James Franklin to Virginia Tech. Lane Kiffin's family is taking a private tour of Florida and lsu. Once again, Lane is not, but his family is. And to me, the first time I heard this was, is somebody leaking this for negotiations? Because you want leverage and Lane has leverage. You got the best year old misses ever had. They're going to be in the playoffs and all of a sudden LSU and Florida open up. I know it'll never happen, and in this case it doesn't make sense. But one time I'd love for an athletic director to say, are you looking at other jobs? Are you looking at other jobs? Does that violate your contract? Like, I would, I would say decide, like, if you're sending your family, why is your family going there? Now I know you know the athletic director is going to say, no, we don't want to lose Lane Kiffin. But I wish one time somebody would just say, you know what? We hired you. We pay you, okay? We're in this together. Now all of a sudden, you got a better deal? Okay, why don't you go? Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

According to Stuart Mandel of the Athletic, that's kind of what they're doing. The report is that Ole Miss said to Lane Kiffin, we need to know your decision before the Egg bowl, which I think is the 28th. And that would mean that they must have given him a great offer or they their offer and they're waiting on his decision.

[Dan Patrick]

877-3Dp show operator Tyler is sitting by. Take your phone calls. Todd is here. Dylan is in for what?

[Todd]

Is Ole Miss that confident they can get someone as good, if not better, by how far can they push the I need to know by this date or why don't you just take that other job? Are they in a position to really say that?

[Dan Patrick]

I just. I. It's weird when you go, hey, we want you here. We're doing really well here. We're going to give you a bigger offer, but you're going to go and talk to these other schools. I get. I don't know. It's like, hey, I'm happily married. But you know what? I'm going to go see somebody in Louisiana and somebody in Florida, and then I'll get back to you if I'm still really happy. Yes, Dylan, it's sort of the old is flirting cheating question.

[Paulie]

We move on to other topics.

[Dan Patrick]

What's the poll question for hour two? Well, we got results from the previous hour after a brief Twitter shutdown. It's back up. If you're Lane Kiffin, are you staying at Ole Miss? Going to Florida, going to LSU or other. 60% say stay at Ole Miss. I hope he does. But, you know, if it's not now, then it could be some other time that he decides to go. And he has built up the resume to be able to do that.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paul, it feels like Lane Kiffin has hit his stride as a coach. He's no longer jumping all over the place. He's no longer too young for the stage. And you're getting him at his prime, at his peak, or whatever you want to call it. And if you look at what they did at Alabama when they had Nick Saban in 2007, all they did was win for the next two decades. And every dollar they spent on Nick Saban, they got back three. It was the best deal in sports. The Lane. The Knick Saban contracts at Alabama was the best investment in sports the past 20 years. And I think Ole Miss has to look at it saying, do we want to be 7 and 6 again, or do we want to be 112 regularly? And Lane Kiffin can keep us relevant and making much more money by being 11 and 2.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. But if you give him the money and put him up there in the top five of coaches. Okay, now we're kind of saying we're going to. Yeah. It shouldn't be money.

[Paul Skeens]

This.

[Dan Patrick]

This feels like it's. I've taken this as far as I could go. Almost like Brian Kelly at Notre Dame.

[Paulie]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, I want to win a national championship. You can go to lsu. I don't care what kind of coach you are. You can win one there. Because they've had three different guys win national titles there. Florida, I want to go there. They win national titles. People don't win national titles at Ole Miss. And he would have a fair argument with that. Yes, Todd, I understand where Ole Miss.

[Todd]

Is coming from and loyalty and, you know, are you all in with us? But isn't there something to be said if you work your whole life towards something and you're one of the best and you put yourself in a position where others want to court you, don't you always yourself to at least hear the math or see what it's all about. Not necessarily flirting, but I've got myself to a level where I. There's an interest in me at some big programs or whatever your job or career is. And don't you again, owe it to yourself to hear other places out, just to see what's.

[Dan Patrick]

Sure. This is what the agent does. He's got, you know, the most powerful agent in college football. You're creating, you know, but if Todd, if you all of a sudden said, hey, you know, I'm in the last year of my contract and I'm. I'd like to talk, you know, to Jim Rome or Colin Cowherd or put out somebody's name there. I would tell you to go. If you want to go and talk to them, I would just say, then go.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you understand that, though?

[Todd]

I also. I also think there's a difference between you initiating and looking for other things as opposed to someone is approaching you and just wants to chat with you, then that. And I guess the answer is supposed to be, you're saying, in all instances, I'm doing this right now. I'll talk to you in a couple years.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Todd]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

You are with me. We're in it together. But if you it now, you guys have probably been approached Paulie's been approached by people and they're, they kick the tires on this. Hey, you know, are you interested? Paulie's usually pretty good in saying, hey, you know, somebody reached out. Okay, but if you're actively, you know, gonna follow up, then I would just say, then just go. If that's what you're, if it's almost like retirement, when you start talking about retirement, then retire. That's why I always, I tell athletes, if you're thinking about it, then do it, because it's already in your mind. But at some point, and I know loyalty is dead. Loyalty is dead in college athletics, maybe in all the sports, but you know, there's something to be said for, they took a chance on you, you came in, you delivered, everybody wins. And if you want to go, you're going to have your family on private planes going to Florida and lsu. Then you know what, why don't you go? What are you finding out on that fact finding mission there? They've been to Florida and they've been to lsu. This feels like a negotiating ploy. That's all this is because you know.

[Paulie]

Lane can't be on that plane, but the family can. And you either they're going to find out by default or you're going to leak it. The one thing though, I'd love to know is that if Lane Kiffin's agent said to Ole Miss, here's the number we want. And they said, okay. Imagine if they said it and said, okay, we'll match your number. Do it today, don't leave the office, don't leave the building. I'd love to know if that happened.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, and I don't, I mean, is it a million dollars here? Million and a half. Now they might say, well, our, our treasure trove at lsu, in Florida is better, bigger, unlimited, the, you know, things we can do and they can't. Yeah, I understand all of those things. It's just, why have contracts, Remember these coaches, they go, oh, if I, you give me a 10 year deal, then those, those players know I'm going to be here. No, they don't. They don't know if you're going to last 10 years, five years, three years, yes. Dylan, what do you think the percentage of those 10 year contracts that actually get filled to fruition are, it's got to be very lopsided on the, I'm going to say zero. Yeah, maybe Mark Few at Gonzaga. That's be about it. Couple of phone calls in here. Paul in Iowa. Hi, Paul. What's on your Mind today. Hey, Dan.

[Caller]

I don't know what Lane Kiffin needs to learn about LSU that he can't learn from his daughter's boyfriend who's on the team. But my call is about a different situation up here in Iowa. I'd like you to kind of assess the attractability of the Hawkeye's job because Kirk Ferencz is the longest tenured coach in Division 1. Speaking of those 10 year contracts and his succession plan to his son fails, but they're having a pretty good year on the edge of the rankings. When's it time to hang it up to maybe find the next coach? Because there's so many available right now to put Iowa in a good position for the future.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I'm going to give credit to both sides for being loyal. Okay. It's, it's not a word we use very often. And are there times when I thought Kirk Ference was going to go to the NFL or take another job? Yeah, I do, but it feels like this is who you are. Can you be better than this? Is it an attractive job? I mean, it's a great environment when you go to an Iowa football game. Yes, Dylan, I think we just figured it out one for one. Trade Kirk Ferenc for Lane Kiffin. Thank you, Dylan.

[Paul Skeens]

You're welcome.

[Paulie]

I think the Iowa thing is interesting because Kirk Ference never has awful years. They're always average, above average. They always have, you know, six wins, 10 wins, eight wins, nine wins. He never has that season where like, we have to blow this thing up.

[Dan Patrick]

Scotty in Vegas. Hi, Scotty. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hello, Dan. I just wanted to real quick say hello, good morning to the boys. I'm a bartender here in Vegas and if you guys want to come for dinner, I would love to talk to my boss and see if we get you guys anywhere. Steakhouse up in the north and it's a cute little hole in the wall place that's got great prices and great food. But the reason why I called, Dan is I wanted to ask you, what is up with Dallas? Like, they played the perfect game last night. Now I know they played a junior varsity team. I got it. It was great. But they still played really well. Why can't Dallas do this on the regular?

[Dan Patrick]

What do you think it is?

[Caller]

Is it coaching? What do you think it is?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, if I had that answer, I'd be employed by Jerry Jones. It's. This is the way of life in the NFL. How many times, depending on who your team is, do you go, what happened I mean, look at the Chiefs. They're 5 and 5, got the best quarterback in the NFL. You're going, what happened? Look at the Packers. Like, there's just these moments where you go, what? What is going on here? Mateo in New Mexico. Hey, Mateo.

[Caller]

Hey, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

First time, long time.

[Caller]

And when I say long time, I mean a really long time. From Albuquerque, New Mexico, the 505, better known as the 550. And that's when we had Breaking Bad. And I was calling in to just say, you get a chance to go see Pit Bull, you should go see him be in three times. It's been amazing. But on that note, I just heard something. Loyalty.

[Dan Patrick]

Loyal. So if you have got a bad connection there, Mateo. Yeah. I'm deciding on if we. We are going to go to Pitbull, but I know the back room guys are like, are you going to go to Pitbull? Because they know if I go to Pitbull, then they got a better chance of getting in. So maybe I take one for the team. Yes. Marvin.

[Todd]

That's like when you got tickets to Post Malone. Oh, we all got tickets to Post Malone.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Paulie]

We breezed right in.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. We did Post Malone with a private show at Fontainebleau. And all of a sudden it's like, hey, what time are we going to the show? And I go, I don't know if I can get you guys in.

[Todd]

You had dinner, I think.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Todd]

I was like, oh, well, when you get out of dinner.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Join us.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yes.

[Todd]

Todd, seeing Pitbull is the least you can do if he does show up on our side.

[Dan Patrick]

I see what you did. A dog and a leash. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Don't know if we needed that.

[Todd]

We definitely did not need that.

[Dan Patrick]

Once again, I'm kind of in a wounded state here with under the weather.

[Todd]

And I'm making it worse with comments that no one else.

[Dan Patrick]

No. Because they're not really registering.

[Paul Skeens]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Todd]

Marvin, anytime we go on a trip with you, I always feel like Turtle.

[Dan Patrick]

Or Drama from Entourage.

[Todd]

If Vinnie Chase doesn't go, I can't go, so please go.

[Paulie]

There's always the move, though. Dan's going to be right here. He's just. Just getting ready. That's the.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, well, let me know when he gets here and then be like, we'll.

[Todd]

Put it under his name. We do need his ID to be able to relinquish the ticket.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Paul Skeens will join us. Unanimous Cy Young Award winner. We'll get to the bottom of those Rumors, slash reports that maybe he wants out of Pittsburgh. We'll come back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.

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Earlier this year, we surprised Paul Skeens with Tory Lavello, the Arizona Diamondbacks manager. He was going to be managing the National League All Star team, and he called in to when Paul Skeens was on the show to surprise him and say, you're going to be my starting pitcher. That was pretty cool. And Paul ended up being the rookie of the year. Of course, he's the National League Cy Young winner. He won 10 games for the Pirates and probably feels like 20 games, but, you know, the stats are incredible. Also, when you think about it, he was a catcher. He was a scrawny kid. He ended up going to Air Force Academy, and he was also a great hitter. Great hitter. And then all of a sudden kind of grew into his body and then started pitching and then ended up leaving Air Force Academy, going to lsu, winning a national championship, then going to the Pirates, and the rest is history, as they like to say. He's 23 years of age and seems to have the World by the Baseballs. 877-3-DP Show Email Address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter Handle @ DP Show Paul Skeens joining us on the program. So where is the Cy Young?

[Paul Skeens]

Haven't gotten it yet. Yeah, I think we get it into January.

[Dan Patrick]

And where are you going to put it?

[Paul Skeens]

It'll be on the. Probably on the wall, like right behind me. Somewhere on there, nice and high, so you can see it in zooms like this.

[Dan Patrick]

It's an empty wall. There's. Where are all the awards? Rookie of the Year. We don't have anything in there.

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, we're moving in. We haven't. This is the last room that we've gotten to, so we have. It's all in the room. We just haven't put it up yet.

[Dan Patrick]

How surprised were you that it was unanimous?

[Paul Skeens]

That was surprising. I mean, obviously, that's a huge honor. Winning the Cy Young is one thing. On unanimous is another. So I don't. I don't really know what I was expecting. I don't, you know, know if I was expecting to win it or not win it, but kind of just got to go in there with no expectations. So you're not, you know, upset or anything, but the unanimous was a nice touch.

[Dan Patrick]

Seems like your girlfriend was more excited for you. Livy kind of, you know, smiling and kind of letting, you know, be happy here.

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, I mean, that. That's the nice thing about having her in, you know, in the picture like that in, you know, streams and that Kind of thing because she can kind of show my emotions for me. So it's worked two years in a row now.

[Dan Patrick]

As far as, like full time dh, you have to look at Ohtani and is there any part of you that says, I could do maybe a portion of that? I could be a hitter and I could be a pitcher.

[Paul Skeens]

I mean, the portion I could do is stand in the box. I couldn't.

[Dan Patrick]

I think you're being humble. If I look at what you did when you were in college, you could hit.

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, that was also. I mean, the Mountain west is great for the Mountain west. And I mean, even the SEC and then obviously the big leagues, they're very different things. So I'm good. I'm good with what I'm doing right now. I haven't picked up bat in two years.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, but if your manager says, hey, why don't you go up there and pinch it?

[Paul Skeens]

Oh, yeah, I'm strapping it on, like pleats, batting gloves, elbow guards, everything.

[Dan Patrick]

Can you be the backup catcher, like in an emergency situation, could you catch?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, I really believe that. I mean, because we play catch every day with pitchers, so we're, we're used to their stuff and, you know, I'm catching it. It's just they, they. I don't think they would ever put me back there.

[Dan Patrick]

Give me somebody that you would like to catch. Not on your staff, any pitcher, because catcher was your first position.

[Paul Skeens]

I mean, Aralda's Chapman, I mean, he was on my team my rookie year and he would do some, Some cool stuff like, you know, throw a heater 91 and then throw it 104 on the next pitch. Then didn't really know why, and it was like a, you know, a surprise. Every pitch for the catcher. That'd be fun.

[Dan Patrick]

What's your highest recorded pitch, your fastest pitch?

[Paul Skeens]

I think 102.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you care? Like, if. If I'm assessing how you're pitching, do I. Does the radar gun matter?

[Paul Skeens]

I. It does to me in. In basically, like, how close I am to my max and the minimum. Like, I want the average to be as close to those as possible. So, like, sitting 100 for me is better than hitting 102, but sitting 97, if that makes sense.

[Dan Patrick]

What pitch are you going to add in the off season?

[Paul Skeens]

I have no idea yet. I'm, I'm very. I've barely started throwing right now, so we'll see. Once I get on the mound and everything, I might start playing around with some stuff, but no, no plans for anything yet.

[Dan Patrick]

But you have to have an idea of somebody telling you something or you're seeing something that, you know, can you work that into your arsenal?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, I think a lot of it so far has been, you know, like, hey, you should throw your. Your fastball here instead of here. You should throw it more in instead of away, that kind of thing. Rather than, like, actually designing and engineering new pitches.

[Dan Patrick]

Just.

[Paul Skeens]

It's just so early. I don't. I'm really just, you know, working to get my body back to. To, you know, in season form right now, and then we can worry about the pitch shapes later.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Paul Skeens, the unanimous Cy Young winner, I'm not sure if you got to fly fighter jets when you were in the Air Force. Can you. Can you even fit in the cockpit as big as you are?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, I can barely fit. You put the helmet on me and, you know, I'm wearing boots and all that. The G suit, it's. It's going to be tight, but, yeah, I went in. I went into the Air force Academy about 3 inches shorter than I am right now. So my, you know, plans changed a little bit as time went on there.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, when you watch Top Gun, do your teammates say, hey, is that what it was like for you in the Air Force?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, it's pretty common. I mean, they're not. They're not playing danger zone when I walk into the room or anything like that.

[Dan Patrick]

They wouldn't. They wouldn't do that to you, would they, ever.

[Paul Skeens]

They would never do that to me.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you want to go back and, like, is there any part of you that is not finished with the Air Force?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah. It's funny because the more I've been out of there, it's, you know, right when you leave, you're so happy to be gone, just because it's so hard and so demanding, and the longer I've been, you know, away from there and away from those people, it's like, dang, I miss it. So I don't know about. I mean, when I did my paperwork to leave, there was, like, a clause in there that, like, I could come back and finish my degree, as long as I finish it before I'm 27. So I would have to do that in the next couple of years. So in terms of going back and being a cadet, that's. That's not going to happen. But they do have a baseball team. They need coaches occasionally, so that's something I would be very excited to do. Living in Colorado Springs sounds nice.

[Dan Patrick]

You don't get used to losing, but you lose a lot. Where you go from winning a national championship, now, you know, you're losing 100 games. How does that affect you or how do you try not to let that affect you?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, I mean, it's, it's tough. It's a, you know, a huge adjustment because, you know, all I've done, the, the Air Force is the winningest organization in the world, and then I go to LSU and I win a national championship, and then obviously I haven't had two great years team wise in Pittsburgh. So it's been an adjustment. It's, you know, it's tough to not show up to the field every day and be better sometimes, especially when it's, you know, we're on a seven, eight game skid. I think it, you know, I think it just comes down to being a professional. I've learned more and more how to do that and just be the, you know, be the same person every day. I'm still learning how to do that. So. But yeah, it's, I mean, it is energizing to, to think about what it could be if and if, and when we do win. So that's the, that's the thing that gets me out of bed.

[Dan Patrick]

But that's how you get these stories that come out because, you know, can you put up with this with your talent? And that's how that report comes out, that if it was a true report or a rumor. But how do you deal with that? That an anonymous player says that you hope to be traded to the Yankees?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, I mean, I was frustrated for a couple hours and then, and then, you know, kind of got over it and talked to the media later that night. You know, it is what it is. There's stuff that's going to come out, you know, good and bad. It's, you know, obviously it's, it's not true. I think the hardest part of leaving Air Force for me was, you know, we had just won a, a conference championship, the first one in, in the school's history, and, you know, didn't. And if we built that and it felt like there was unfinished, you know, work that needed to be done. So that's how it feels right now. We're, you know, I won the, we won the national championship or the, the conference championship at Air Force. That's, that's what is on the horizon for us. We just have to do it. And leaving before that would, you know, leave a bad taste in my mouth because there wasn't, you know, there was work to be done that we didn't do.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And I think this has happened because there's no salary cap and we look at smaller markets. Good play. You know, Garrett Cole, when he was with the Pirates, it's like, how long can these smaller market teams keep players? So you're just the latest. There'll be somebody that comes after you and you know, they'll be doing the same thing.

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not the first person. Not the first person that's, that's, you know, been through this, done this, and I'm not, I'm not the last. You know, it's just. It all comes down to how you look at it, right? Like, you can, you can just be bitter at the world and pissed off, or you can, you know, fight to, to do what's right, make it right, you know, win. Those are kind of the, the two paths. Because you can have like, the bar only moves one way. It only goes up. And for, you know, that's the goal, basically. It very easily could go down if you let it go down. So you just gotta keep fighting to raise the bar, you know, for us in Pittsburgh, but for the next player, wherever. Wherever that is.

[Dan Patrick]

Do you have to make the bed? Does your girlfriend make you make the bed?

[Paul Skeens]

Still got to make the bed. That's something that you can't really. You can't get that out of you once you've. I probably made a thousand beds while I was at Air Force, and actually more than that, probably a thousand only in basic training. So it's. It's habits that are built in inside you.

[Dan Patrick]

But is the bounce in the quarter, is that true?

[Paul Skeens]

They don't, they don't do that anymore. At least not when I was there. They might, they might have brought that back. It's funny, you'll get people that, you know, don't want to make their bed every morning, and so they like duct tape it underneath so that it's all.

[Dan Patrick]

Tight.

[Paul Skeens]

Because we got a shirt stays there to make sure your, your shirt stays tucked in. And so they'll use those and tie it from one side to the other. So you learn those tricks from, from being in it a little bit. But anyway, no, I don't. I don't think the, the quarter thing is. Is true anymore.

[Dan Patrick]

Most famous person you've met.

[Paul Skeens]

Probably right now. I mean, Shane Gillis, he's the biggest person in the world. I don't know. I was. It. It depends, you know, Depends what circle you're talking. You.

[Dan Patrick]

Shane Gillis a good guy? We, we. We met him in Dublin and He was doing his stand up over there and.

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, he's, He's. He's. It's refreshing to talk to him.

[Dan Patrick]

He's.

[Paul Skeens]

He's down to earth. Great dude, obviously, you know, hilarious. Everything he does is, you know, must watch tv. So it was, it was cool to meet him. Just, you know, I'm a. I'm a comedy fan. I was looking forward to meeting him, and I was not disappointed. It was. It was pretty cool.

[Dan Patrick]

Didn't he go to Army? Yeah, he did, briefly. Right?

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah, he's a. See, when I got to lsu, the. The running joke was that I thought about serving for two years. He thought about serving for a little bit shorter than that. But we are both.

[Dan Patrick]

My.

[Paul Skeens]

My Air Force coach calls me a quitter, so we're both quitting.

[Dan Patrick]

Congrats. Enjoy the off season. And thanks again for joining us. Yeah.

[Paul Skeens]

Appreciate it. Thank you for having me.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Paul Skeens, he is a unanimous. Did you see his girlfriend was in the background walking by a couple times?

[Paulie]

I didn't see that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yep. Yep. Now, I was going to say, hey, why don't you get your girlfriend to come up here and join us? But she was going back and forth a couple times. Yes. Time, Dan.

[Todd]

No Yankee questions. I thought you were going to shout that out in the background.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. We asked the question. We got it out there. He handled it okay.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, it really is a tough situation for him as well. Like, you'd love to be loyal to the Pirates and build something there, but you're also saying, I may sign up for a career that doesn't get me deep in the postseason ever. Like Tony Gwynn generations ago. Loyalty can. It's impressive and it's respectable, but I don't know if it's the right move.

[Dan Patrick]

I remember when Kevin Garnett was criticized because he didn't want to leave Minnesota to go win a championship and that he was loyal. And I'm like, I think we. We got our compass is pointing the wrong direction here. Like, we should give credit to somebody who is loyal. Is he going to win a championship in Minnesota? No, I think they went to the Western Conference finals one year, but then he went to Boston. End up, you know, winning a championship.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paulie, he wins a Cy young by going 10 and 10 with a 1.97 ERA. I did some research on it. If he had the average run support of, like, the top 20 pitchers in the National League last year, he probably would have been 24 and 5. Yeah, 24 and 5 in this day and age. 24 wins is like, it's like 40.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, when we come back, we have our super bowl picks. But if I give everybody a mulligan, who would you pick to win the Super Bowl? We'll have that for you. It's called Stick or Pick. Gotta have every segment has to have a name. Stick with your original pick or pick somebody different. Take a break. Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years.

[Todd]

I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking but aren't because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging.

[Paulie]

Off or they've broken a bone.

[Todd]

Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom.

[Paul Skeens]

You mean sleep?

[Todd]

Yeah, something like that. Jordan we'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about.

[Dan Patrick]

It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between.

[Todd]

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Rapid Radios, the official walkie talkie, the Dan Patrick Show Push to talk service. National LTE coverage. No subscriptions ever. Get them before bad weather occurs. Visit rapidradios.com up to 60% off and free shipping. It's a segment we like to call stick or pick. Stick with your original super bowl picks from early September or pick another matchup. Todd I'll start With you. You picked the Ravens over the Lions. Do you want to stick or pick?

[Todd]

I am not sticking with either of those predictions. I am now going with Rams over Bills, getting rid of both of the teams that I had.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Marvin, you had the Lions beating the Bengals. Do you want to stick or. Or pick?

[Todd]

I'm gonna pick. Obviously, the Bengals. They seem like they're in trouble, so I'm going to pick the Lions over the Bills.

[Dan Patrick]

Over the Bills. Paul, you had the Lions over the Bills. Are you gonna stick or pick?

[Paulie]

Both are a little shakier than I like. I'm gonna stick. I am absolutely sticking on these Lions over Bills.

[Dan Patrick]

I picked the Lions to beat the Chiefs. Am I gonna stick or pick? I'm gonna stick. Get a stick. Yes. Yeah, I'm gonna stick.

[Paulie]

There's more upside to sticking.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Because I don't want to go. Let me go. Rams in Buffalo, and then all of a sudden the Lions and the Chiefs get to the Super Bowl. So that's my original prediction. I'll stay with that one. By the way, Seaton, who is in Vegas, he has Ravens over the Eagles.

[Paulie]

Yes, Paulie, the Ravens are back in the mix, but do they feel threatening? You could be in contention for a playoff spot and a threatening team, but sometimes it's not both.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't. That.

[Paulie]

That pause tells me.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I just don't get a good handle on them. So sometimes it's such an uphill climb that, you know, you start out with a couple of wins and just to get back up over.500, that takes a lot. You know, they won four in a row. Like, you. You gotta play. It's almost like you're playing playoff football for about two months, and that's really, really hard to sustain. Yes, Marvin.

[Todd]

But you've seen that on the opposite end where teams like the Giants with Eli Manning, they were playing playoff like games to get into the playoffs.

[Dan Patrick]

So they were already used to that.

[Todd]

Win or go home pressure.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But to try to do it for two months is really difficult. And I think the Giants, what did they. Were they nine and six that year? Nine? I think nine and seven. And then they went to the Super Bowl. I think both those times they went to the super bowl, didn't they have just nine wins?

[Todd]

No, they were wild card teams.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not sure what the record was. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Yeah, they were 9 and 7 in 2011 and won the super bowl with the wild card. They were 10 and 6 in 2007 and won the Super Bowl.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay.

[Paulie]

But they Slid in on the last two games of the year.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. You know that that's what happens. We see this a lot of times where a team has a first round by and then they're facing a team that's been scratching and clawing to try to get into the postseason and they're already on their game.

[Paulie]

Yeah, Paul, it's so wild that Eli Manning's hall of Fame campaign, which he's going to get in, is based off two times where you slid into the playoffs. Wild.

[Dan Patrick]

I saw this with our friend Cam Newton. I think he might have been on either his podcast or First Take, and he was saying that Kevin Stefanski, the Browns, you know, basically is sabotaging Shador Sanders, doesn't want him to be able to succeed. And, you know, I guess to not give him first team reps, I mean, there's. It's really mind blowing, the number of people who are bothered by this that should. Or Sanders somehow is not getting a chance. Now, when Chase Daniel was a career backup and you know, Josh McCown, these are career backups, they said, you know, recently we didn't get first team reps. The backup doesn't get first team reps. Like, why are we giving preferential treatment to Shador Sanders? I mean, Dylan Gabriel needs every one of those reps to be ready. Now you can say, what? Well, Dylan Gabriel gets hurt. Okay, do the Rams do this with Matthew Stafford? Do they? I mean, I don't know. I'm assuming they do not go, you know, if Matt gets hurt, we better have our backup getting some first team reps. You know, was Davis Mills getting first team reps when C.J. stroud was still playing for the Texans? I'm going to guess he didn't. Did anybody ask that question? Did anybody say Davis Mills didn't get a fair shake because he didn't get first team reps? The. The media has to be caring, like, did Mason Rudolph. Is he getting first team reps just in case Aaron Rodgers breaks his wrist? I mean, just be fair to the position. And guys who are career backups are saying this and look, Cam can have his opinion, but you're trying to tell me Kevin Stefanski wants to tank this season? He's already on the hot seat. He's trying to save his job. You would think you would put the best player in there. And if it's Shador Sanders, put him in. Now, do I think it's fair to assess, you know, that performance against the Ravens? No, because they were coming after him and they were hitting him on Every play. But you know these members of the media who are carrying water for Dion and Shador, you're going to put him in a position like Tim Tebow. Nobody's going to want to have him on the roster because of all of this drama that goes along with him, even as a backup quarterback. I don't want that if he can play, great, but I don't want Shador Sanders if he's going to be a backup quarterback. Because Kevin Stefanski hears these questions every single day. Because everybody is like, hey, put Shador in. Hey. He didn't get first team reps. Like, yeah, we know that you don't get first team reps. There's only so many reps in practice. Tim Hasselbeck, career backup here with us yesterday, said the same thing. You don't get first team reps. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Peyton Manning talked about this the other day about first team reps, and his former coach and offensive coordinator Tom Moore talked about is they gave Peyton Manning every first team rep unless Peyton wanted to get a sip of water or something because they would never plan on the backup being in. And the star quarterbacks never want to give up a first team rep. And it's up to the quarterback as much as it is to the team. But they said it's. It's never happens that way. Second string is. Don't get them.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm just surprised that people are viewing this. Michael Wilbon on Pardon the Interruption, talking about Shador didn't get first team reps. Okay, you're creating this story because Shador Sanders gets clicks, Dion gets clicks. Like, that's it. And I just go, be fair to the story, Be fair to the coach, be fair to the starting quarterback, be fair to the role of the backup quarterback. That's all. Yeah, Paulie.

[Paulie]

Also, Dylan Gabriel this year has not been spectacular, but in six starts, he's a 60% passer with seven touchdowns and only two picks. That's not great, but it sure isn't awful. It's not awful.

[Paul Skeens]

Yeah.

[Paulie]

No one's talking about him playing decently.

[Dan Patrick]

Everybody wants to. I. I hope Shedor gets a chance to play. All right. And I'm hoping just so that can answer some questions. That's all. Give him a chance. Let's see if he can actually play the position because, man, there are a lot of people. It ruins their day when he doesn't. This is an iHeart podcast.