Hour 2 – NFL Week 14, Pete Bevacqua

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show — Hour 2: NFL Week 14, Pete Bevacqua

iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network | December 8, 2025

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Episode Overview

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show focuses on reactions to NFL Week 14, with in-depth commentary on playoff races, surprising results, and team outlooks. The hour’s highlight is an extended, candid interview with Notre Dame Athletic Director Pete Bevacqua, delving into Notre Dame’s exclusion from the college football playoff, their controversial decision to skip a bowl game, and escalating tensions with the ACC. The show keeps its signature blend of humor and insider perspective, offering both analysis and passionate debate.

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NFL Week 14: Reactions and Storylines

Chiefs’ Playoff Hopes Dwindle

• Dan discusses the Chiefs’ recent loss and their shrinking playoff chances, referencing guest Chris Simms’ bold prediction that Kansas City is "done, done."
  • Quote: "I think their chances are like 16%, something like that." (07:38)
• Patrick Mahomes’ post-game comments on a failed 4th down and confidence in the offense are played.
  • Mahomes: “I’ll never question the decision to go for it because I believe in the offense and who we are.” (07:25)

Texans’ Surging Defense

• Dan praises the Texans’ defense, suggesting their offense only needs to provide 21 points for consistent wins.
  • "Nobody’s going to want to face that defense. Now if the offense and C.J. Stroud... can provide 21 points, that feels like that's enough..." (07:38)

Drama Across the League

• Bengals' missed opportunities vs. the Bills; Burrow’s costly interceptions.
• NFC South "weirdness" continues, with the underdog Saints overcoming the Buccaneers.
• Ravens’ controversial overturned touchdown sparks discussion about ambiguous "football move" rulings and league consistency. John Harbaugh’s explanation is played:
  • Harbaugh: “You have to survive the ground… he was catching the ball on the way down with another person.” (08:24)

Poll Questions & Fan Engagement

• Polls discussed: Notre Dame’s playoff exclusion ("Got hosed," "Will change the playoffs," "Being petty," "All of the above"), Chiefs’ playoff chances, and Week 14’s “worst loss.”
  • Dan’s take: "I'd say the Chiefs because...Vegas had them as one of the favorites...and now looks like they're done." (14:34)

Daniel Jones’ Injury Fallout

• Paulie breaks down the financial and career ramifications for Colts QB Daniel Jones, whose season-ending injury may cost him a lucrative free agent contract.
  • “If he stays healthy...he's going to get a hundred million dollar deal...Now his career is completely in flux.” (15:39)

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COLLEGE FOOTBALL CONTROVERSY:

Notre Dame’s Playoff Snub & Bowl Opt-Out

Setting the Stage

• Dan previews the interview with ND Athletic Director Pete Bevacqua, promising answers about the playoff snub, decision to skip a bowl, and friction with the ACC.
  • Dan: “I wish they would have played in a bowl game, but I understand why they didn’t because they had nothing to gain here...” (12:26)
  • Todd: “Should Notre Dame care that this could come across as sore losers and...afraid of the downside of losing to BYU?” (13:25)

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Featured Interview: Pete Bevacqua, Notre Dame Athletic Director

[23:31 - 37:41]

1. Reaction to Playoff Exclusion

• Bevacqua calls the process “frustrating” and says Notre Dame felt “the rug pulled out from underneath us.”

  • “Every step along the way since the first CFP rankings...we were led to believe we were in as long as we took care of business. And we certainly took care of business with this 10 game winning streak...all of a sudden, we're 11th and on the outside looking in.” — Pete Bevacqua (23:36)

• He laments lack of logic and transparency:

  • “Where’s the logic? Where’s the rationale? Why are we being punished and the only ones that seem to be moving in the wrong direction and yet winning and having a dominant end to the season? We’re confused, we’re sad, and Dan, we’re frustrated.” (25:03)

2. Did the ACC Sabotage Notre Dame?

• Bevacqua heavily implies the ACC undermined ND's candidacy, stressing damaged relations:
  • “We were mystified by the actions of the conference to attack their biggest, really business partner in football...They have certainly done permanent damage to the relationship between the conference and Notre Dame.” (26:47)
• When pressed on whether the relationship is irreparable:
  • “Well, you never say irreparable, but it’s opened our eyes...and it caught our attention.” (28:49)
  • Dan: “Are you going to reevaluate your relationship with the ACC?”
    Pete: “I would just say it’s been strained.” (28:34)

3. Opt-Out Decision: Players Led the Way

• Bevacqua insists the decision to opt out of the bowl game was "player-driven," not administrative:
  • “To a person, the captains...and underclassmen...said, listen, we are such a close knit team. We've done so much this season...We can't imagine taking the field not as that team...We made the decision that it was time to start thinking about next season.” (29:33)

4. Changes to Future Playoff Format

• Dan asks if Notre Dame is guaranteed a playoff spot if ranked in the top 12 next season.
  • “That's certainly been reported. That's out there. And what you said is accurate.” (31:21)
• On playoff expansion:
  • “I firmly believe that the right answer is 16 teams with five automatic qualifiers and 11 at-large...the majority...of the College Football Management Committee room agree with me. I think anything beyond 16...is a mistake.” (32:00)
  • Bevacqua predicts a 12-team field for next year but continues to push for 16. (33:46)

5. The Broader Issue: "It’s the Process"

• Bevacqua is clear it's not about sour grapes or the individual teams selected. It’s about the lack of process clarity and shifting standards:
  • “It’s the process that bothers us.” (34:11)
  • “The rankings can’t just be musical chairs at some, you know, fifth grade birthday party. They have to mean something. And to me, what happened to us really kind of was alarming.” (35:26)

6. Light Moment: Pop Tart Bowl

• On the irony of not playing in the Pop Tart Bowl:
  • Dan: “You’re not anti Pop Tarts, right?”
  • Bevacqua: “Dan, the irony in that is I love Pop Tarts and I...particularly love the brown sugar Pop Tarts. I probably eat too many of them now.” (36:34)

7. Notre Dame Lore

• Dan comments on the bench seats in Bevacqua’s office, taken from Notre Dame Stadium, with some over a century old—a nod to tradition and history. (37:02)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Dan: “You just want to know what the rules are. And I'm not a Notre Dame apologist...I'm just saying, let's just look at common sense here.” (37:41)
• Bevacqua: “If Notre Dame is ranked in the top 12 next year, they're in. Zero wiggle room this season—turns out we didn't have a chance.” (31:36)
• Bevacqua: “The process has to be clear. These ranking shows...get the hopes up...then just felt in that room a collective sense of the rug being taken out from under us.” (35:18)
• Bevacqua (on the ACC): “They have certainly done permanent damage to the relationship...” (26:47)

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Callers & Danettes: Best/Worst of the Weekend

[44:14–52:10]

• Fans highlight Indiana’s Cinderella season, and mixed sympathies for Notre Dame.
• Some callers say ND is acting “arrogant” by skipping the bowl game; others sympathize with the “process” outrage.
• Dan points out that Indiana’s rise is historically unprecedented—even more so than Deion Sanders’ turnaround at Colorado.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Personal health/talking (Opening): [03:39]
• NFL Weekend Recap (Colts, Chiefs, controversial calls): [05:34–15:39]
• Notre Dame Playoff Discussion Pre-Bevacqua: [12:26–17:54]
• Pete Bevacqua Interview: [23:31–37:41]
• Fan/Listener “Best and Worst of the Weekend”: [44:14–52:10]

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Episode Summary

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show offers both the sharp, entertaining deconstruction of NFL Week 14 that fans have come to expect, and a headline-grabbing segment on the Notre Dame playoff controversy. Pete Bevacqua's appearance delivers rare candor—confirming deep institutional frustration, accusations of sabotage by the ACC, and the emotional footing of ND’s decisions. The episode is essential listening for any fan invested in the current and future states of college football, playoff structures, conference politics, and the drama unfolding week to week in the NFL.

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Not the emergency room. Just went in and I got to see the doctor. Gave me some meds and raren. Ready to go? Yes. Todd. Did you ever get an official diagnosis? Is it bronchitis?

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Just a really bad cold.

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They give it a name or anything?

I was told that it was strep, and then it developed into or that kind of morphed into flu, like stuff. And they just said, you know, you're lucky to be alive. Yeah, yeah, Warrior. That's what they were saying. You know, as I left, you know, the doctors all got around and they were like, oh, my God, what a warrior. Hashtag warrior. Kept the tonsils in. There was no. Yeah, I know. I. I thought, you know, I still have my tonsils. But see, that's one of those things. Like, you know, Freddie Mercury didn't change his teeth because he thought that would change the way he. He sung. And I don't want. I don't want to take my tonsils out because it may affect my voice. So, I mean, not on the same level as Freddie Mercury, but Freddie never got his teeth fixed because he didn't want it to change his voice. Is there a tonsil, vocal cord connection that's. I'm not aware of that, but I'm no doctor, but maybe it is right there. It's in the vicinity. Yeah. I never knew that. That I was gonna get my tonsils out when I was a kid because I would always get strep throat. And I didn't think for a second, you know, how it was gonna affect my singing voice. Thought it was gonna be about me, you know, I have to turn it. No, no, go ahead, Go ahead. No, I was just curious. Thank you. Yeah. So I still have my tonsils there. I didn't want to get them out. Yes. Paul. Yeah. According to WebMD, inflamed tonsils can directly affect your voice both short term and long term. And it's a byproduct or a side effect of removing your tonsils can affect your voice, usually short term, not long term. Okay. All right, back to you. All right. Well, thank you. It's got to hold up for at least two and a half more years. After that, it doesn't matter. Get Tommy John. Get like voluntarily get Tommy John for the throat or something if they have that tonsil John.

Okay, it's hour two. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like calendars, by the way, the only place you can get them, the tailgate portion of our store, danpatrick.com we have non autographed calendars. Now you gotta place your order by December 8th so it gets there in time for the holidays. I don't want you to say basically today, that would be today, as Seaton is reminding me today. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. We'll talk to the Notre Dame athletic director, Pete Bavakwa. He'll join us. And he's probably still a little heated here as they didn't get in and they decided to opt out of a bowl game. Rick Neuheisel covers college football, cbs. He'll stop by as well. You got pro football tonight, Eagles at the Chargers. The Eagles are favored by two and a half. I thought it was a weekend of teams that lost stealing the headlines. The Colts, certainly with Daniel Jones. I don't think they're going to make the playoffs because Jacksonville's playing well. And I look at the final month of the season and you've got they're at the Seahawks. They host the Niners, they host the Jags. They're at the Texans. And Riley Leonard, former Notre Dame quarterback, is your starting quarterback now. And even with Daniel Jones, they probably weren't going to make the playoffs. You also had the Chiefs losing last night. We had Chris Sims on. Chris Sims last hour said that he thought the Chiefs were done done. Here's Patrick Mahomes on the Chiefs going forward on fourth down. Country believes in us now. We've executed on that in that same situation several times this season and they did a good job of passing the crossers. I wish I got, like I said, I wish I got to Rasheed a little bit earlier or if I could have Bought a little bit more time in hindsight probably try to hit trap over the top of the defender but I mean he made a good play. They make, they made good plays today. But I'll never question the decision to go for it because I believe in the offense and who we are.

Yeah, I think their chances are like 16%, something like that. But you know that Texans defense is great. I mean we, we, we throw that word out. Texans, nobody's going to want to face that defense. Now if the offense and C.J. stroud was back last night, if they can provide 21 points, that feels like that's enough for that team to win. The Bengals lose. The Bengals should have won. The Bengals against that Bill's defense did whatever they wanted to do. Burrow back to back interceptions. The Buccaneers lost. I said this last week. Usually the team that is the lesser of the two usually wins these weird games in the NFC South. And so I wasn't surprised when I tune in and the Saints were winning and they ended up winning that game against Tampa. It's just kind of crazy. And it's all, it feels like it's always been that way. The Ravens losing. I thought to you know, having control of the ball two steps almost a third step called a touchdown, that would be enough. But it wasn't. And here's John Harbaugh on the Isaiah likely touchdown wiped off the board. Yeah, the explanation was a third foot didn't get down before the ball came out. That's what they said. I think to play with, I think the Aaron Rodgers play, I mean just talking about rules here, it's not an officiating issue. It comes from New York. But you know, when you, when you, when you're making a catch, you have to, you have to, you have to survive the ground. You know, he didn't survive the ground. He's no, he's not down by contact. He was catching, he was catching the ball on the way down with another person. So you guys, you gotta make a catch there and survive the ground. I don't know why it was ruled the way it was on that one. So all those things I'm sure will, they'll explain to us but they had plenty of time to look at and they're the ones who are the experts on the rules. So that's how it works. Yeah, because they called it a touchdown. And then I thought okay, that's going to be hard to overturn. At first I thought, okay, he's got control and then it's two steps and that it is a football move because the football move is to keep it away from the defender. That to me was the football move. But you got the Steelers. They survive, picking up the win and you know, a much needed win at that. The Dolphins are still kind of hanging in there. You know, they didn't fire Mike McDaniel. They won five of six. I know they beat the Jets. It doesn't matter. You're still winning these games. I don't know if it's enough for Mike McDaniel to keep his job, but I do find it interesting to keep an eye on the Browns Titans game was probably not on my bingo card, as they like to say, but I was certainly entertained by it because I wanted to see how Cam Ward did against Miles Garrett and I wanted to see how Shador Sanders did in a home game against a lesser opponent or opponent that's maybe equal to them and putting up good numbers. And he did and he played well. But you know the avalanche of people and social media that you know that when sending in email or a tweet about Shador sent. What are you going to say about Shador Sandy? I don't have any. There's no real opinion, no negativity. I just said give him a chance to play. I told you he'd start a game at some point this season. Good. I don't know what they have you beat the Titans at home, but there is progress. It feels like he gives them more options. They're expanding the playbook from what I'm told and good. It gives them a boost. It's exciting. You still lost the game with a idiotic two point conversion. So there's positives there. Now desean Watson's planning on coming back next. Next year. I don't know if he ever plays for them and you got a top five draft pick. Are you going to take a quarterback? Are you sold on Shador Sanders? And if they are good, it's a good story. Yes. Paulie, that coaching staff for the Browns should be embarrassed of how they finish that game. That means if there's a worst they the coaching staff lost that your quarterback just took you seven plays, 80 yards. You remove him from the field for your two point conversion and you do a direct snap to a rookie running back on a complicated play. That's irresponsible. Yeah. All right. We didn't even do a poll question for the first hour at least. I didn't acknowledge that. Todd's here. Seaton, Marv, Poly, yours truly in the back room, guys. All right. Se what kind of poll question or what did you put up in the first hour? Yeah, we got three of them up right now. Notre Dame, your options are God hosed. Will change the playoffs being petty or all of the above.

Right now it is a tie between is being petty and all of the above. Yeah. I wish they would have played in a bowl game, but I understand why they didn't because they had nothing to gain here. Let's say they blow out BYU and they Pop Tart Bowl. It doesn't mean anything. No. And I believe that game would be on abc.

I think that's what I was told. Long history of ABC and the Pop Tart Bowl. Yeah, of course. Yes. Legendary. Legendary tradition. But I get it. I. But I wish they would have still played. Now, nobody is upset that Iowa State and Kansas State aren't playing in their bowl games here. They got fined $500,000 each, I believe. But Notre Dame is not in a conference. So Notre Dame decided we're not playing. But, you know, Iowa State loses their head coach and maybe they just. But once again, I would just ask my players. Do you guys want to play?

Yes. Todd, Should Notre Dame care that this could come across as sore losers and. Or afraid of the downside of losing to byu? Not that they're afraid of playing byu, but those are things that a lot of people feel. Unless you're a big Notre Dame fan. I think most people that are neutral think that they look like they're taking the ball and going home and they don't want any part of possibly losing to the Cougars. Well, we'll talk. Find out in 10 minutes when we talk to their athletic director on making this decision. What other poll questions did you have for the first down receipt? Yeah. Also got up there. The Chiefs playoff chances are dead on life support or alive. And well. Well, you did predict your. Your wild prediction, your hot prediction, your crazy prediction the Chiefs would not make the playoffs. Closer and closer every day. Yeah, it's pretty incredible. Seaton said the Chiefs would not make the playoffs. June 3rd, I believe. Not that I'm. Oh, okay. June 3rd, 2025. It's gonna be your ringtone. Yeah. Somewhere in that vicinity. What was the other poll question that you had? We just put this one up there right now. Worst loss this weekend. Bucks, Chiefs, Colts, Ravens.

Well, I'd say the Chiefs because Vegas had them as one of the favorites to still win the super bowl and now looks like they're done.

Buccaneers can still win that division. Ravens can still win that division. I think the Colts losing And losing their quarterback and losing one of the real good stories this year. I mean that's a, that's like a triple loss there it feels like. But I would say the Chiefs, because bigger picture, the Chiefs out of that group could still win the super bowl or at least they would be viewed as one of the favorites if they were in the playoff picture. Yeah, Paulie. And Daniel Jones is an unrestricted free agent. A month ago he was on the roll and would probably got one of those mid level Sam Darnold, 3 years, $100 million contracts going forward from the Colts or other. And now his career is completely in flux. Completely. Yeah. Because he's not going to be ready to go next season. To start next season. You got the Anthony Richardson situation, that's a mess. You got Riley Leonard as your backup now starting quarterback there.

That was, that was an expensive injury for Daniel Jones. I mean that's the business side of this. If he stays healthy, let's say they do get into the playoffs, he's going to get a hundred million dollar deal because they don't want Anthony Richardson as their starter, at least not now. And Daniel Jones would have been the de facto. Okay, all right. He played pretty well, which he did. He started out pretty well, but he's playing with a broken fibula. Now. I don't know if he should be out there with a broken fibula. Of all my injuries and surgeries, I've never had a broken fibula or torn Achilles and I don't know if one can lead the other. But you would think your quarterback out there with a broken fibula should not be out there with a broken fibula.

And then he blows out his Achilles. But Riley Leonard is now your starting quarterback. Now you got to get a backup quarterback in there as well. And the schedule is really tough the final month of the season. Chris in Syracuse. Good morning, Chris. Best and worst of the weekend. Hey, thanks, Dan. Yeah, I got a best and a couple comments to throw at you. My best to one of the original Dan Cycles in Dan Nation on the Dan Patrick Show. Tillian Bloomington, who is a massive Indiana football fan. He has to be so excited with his Hoosiers who are kind of the poster child of the new age of college football. No real dominant teams, just a lot of very good teams. And in the SEC title game, Alabama had to cover 91 yards for their lone touchdown. And Georgia had to only cover 130 yards combined, all four of their touchdowns. And Dan, this year is one of the few years that Notre Dame not being in the ACC conference came back to bite him. It not only cost him a berth in the playoffs, but with the ACC so weak this year, it probably cost him a home first round playoff game. And I wonder if the committee leaving Notre Dame out is their way of trying to force him into a conference. Okay, I gotta find this out. I'm gonna find it out in about five minutes. What role did the ACC play in Notre Dame? Getting in or not getting in?

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Savings very underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company affiliates, excludes Massachusetts. We'll get some more phone calls. Coming up. Best and worst of the weekend. What you saw that you liked, you didn't like. Rick Neuheisel covers college football. Former head coach. He'll join us. Coming up, top of the hour, Pete Bavakwa, Notre Dame athletic director. A couple of months ago I said, oh, I look forward to talking to you again. I didn't know we would be talking about this. How did we get here, Pete?

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Dan, first of all. Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me on. It's, it's good to see you.

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Yeah.

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Yesterday, that's the question. I don't know how we got here. That's kind of what we have a problem with. I don't have a good answer for you. You know, been a lot of conversations here on campus the last 24 hours, as you can imagine. And you know, I want to make one thing clear, Dan. We have no problems with the teams that made it in. They're all great teams. You know, Miami's a great team, Alabama's a great team. If Texas, Vanderbilt, we're a great team. What we're so confused by and frustrated with is the process. You know, every step along the way since the first CFP rankings came out, we were led to believe we were in as long as we took care of business. And we certainly took care of business with this 10 game winning streak. Dan, you think about that first ranking. You know, we in Miami were both six and two. They had obviously already beat us the first game of the year. They were 18th, we were 10th. You know, the only thing that we did since that point was win every game by over an average of over 30 points. And, you know, all of a sudden we're 11th and on the outside looking in and you know, when we sit and talk, when I talk to Marcus, when, when we talk to our team, we don't have any good answers for that. So we're just, we're just really frustrated that we had the rug pulled out from underneath us.

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Dan, were you able to lobby at all Sunday morning, you know, or had the decision been made that you were not going to make the playoffs?

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Yeah, I don't know exactly when the decision was made. You know, we, you know, we made our case, we stated our point of view, but again, if you're us, we were told from day one of the rankings that, you know, we were in and we were ninth. And then all of a sudden, you know, we go play a game against Stanford. I felt like in the middle of the night, you know, and we, we, we took care of business, and Alabama has a really tough game against an Auburn team that's having a tough year. And we wake up on Tuesday and we fall below Alabama for the first time. And it was all about the fierce conversation between Notre Dame and Alabama. And I heard something to the effect that Alabama went forward on fourth down. So that made an impression. And just our heads were spinning, like, where's the logic? Where's the rationale? Why are we being kind of punished? And the only ones that seem to be moving in the wrong direction and yet winning and having an unbelievably, you know, dominant end to the season, it just, we're confused, we're sad, and damn, we're frustrated.

[A]

And I was told there's nothing that's secret in those meetings. It eventually gets out. And I was told during last week that it felt like where Alabama was ranked, that Notre Dame in, in the words of my source, you guys were being set up for disappointment. So it. That this is somebody involved in this. And then all of a sudden the Miami situation, which, if they ranked Miami ahead of you, fine. I don't have any problem with that. I just didn't understand the rationale. And it, and then I wondered, did the ACC lobby at all did, did. What role did the ACC play in any of this, in your opinion?

[B]

Well, I, I would tell you, I mean, again, I have tremendous respect for Miami, you know, great team, great school. Their athletic director, Dan Radukovich, is a good friend, and all the teams in the acc, great, wonderful universities. We have no, no gripes about any of the schools in the acc, but we were mystified by the actions of the conference to attack, you know, their biggest, really business partner in football and a member of their conference in, in 24 of our other sports. And I would tell you, Dan, I, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be honest with you if I didn't say that. They, they have certainly done permanent damage to the relationship between the conference and Notre Dame.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Just we didn't appreciate the fact that we were singled out repeatedly and compared to Miami, not by Miami. Miami has every right to do that. But it raised a lot of eyebrows here that the conference was taking shots at us. And, you know, that's just not something we chose to do. We wouldn't choose to do that in the future, and people might disagree with us, but that's just not something that we'd be comfortable with. And again, we have no problem with any of these teams. These are all great teams. You look at those teams, Miami, like I said, great season. They beat us. You think about Alabama. Nobody's had more success in college football over the last decade than Alabama. But Dan, you know, I mean, you follow this sport so closely. Everybody was saying that we were one of a handful of teams that could win this whole thing, and now we have zero percent chance. Even Nick Saban, you know, Nick. Nobody knows more about college football maybe in the history of the world than Nick Saban, you know, and he said it yesterday, like, how is Notre Dame not in this? I mean, everybody is just kind of confused and perplexed and we don't have good answers for the kids on our team, for our student athletes.

[A]

Are you going to reevaluate your relationship with the acc, the overall relationship?

[B]

I would just say it's been strained.

[A]

Irreparable.

[B]

Well, you never say irreparable, but it's opened our eyes and, you know, it caught our attention. But, you know, we'll, we'll move past this like we are. You know, as you know, we're, we're already focused on next season. You know, we made the decision not to play in a bowl game, as I know you, you're well aware. And a lot of, a lot of people have asked me about that. And you know, when Marcus, we watched the, the presentation show, the selection show with the team, and then Marcus, like he always does, was wonderful, got up and for somebody that always has great answers, he was brutally honest with the team and said he didn't have a lot of answers, doesn't understand how this happened, why this happened, why a team that thought it was doing what it needed to do all of a sudden kind of woke up on kind of the wrong side of this. And then just as you're kind of dealing with that, you start getting these calls from other Bulls and, you know, the role of a captain on the Notre Dame football team is a role that, that the, the program and Marcus takes very, very seriously. And he talked to all the captains, you know, said, hey, what are you guys thinking? What's, what is the team thinking? Let's talk about this. And you know, to a person, the captains and some of the other, you know, underclassmen on the team said, listen, we are such a close knit team. We've done so much this season. We overcame those two opening losses. We rallied, we, we dominated in the last 10 games. We can't imagine taking the field not as that team. And it's reality Dan, you know that certain players wouldn't participate in that game. You think about somebody with the future that he has, like a Jeremiah Love, a Jadarian Price, Eli Reardon, you know, Emil Wagner, who's one of the most impressive people I've met in my life, who, hopefully, after he's done playing football, I hope he runs for president one day. It just wouldn't be the same. And, you know, made the decision that it was time to start thinking about next season. Give these, these student athletes a break. They have exams coming up, and then, you know, really, hopefully they'll, they'll go home and spend Christmas and the holidays with their family and friends.

[A]

Feels like a message being sent as well, Pete.

[B]

Well, we're not happy, Dan, that's for sure.

[A]

Help me understand this, though. So are you guaranteed a playoff BERTH if you're 12 or higher next season? Yeah.

[B]

I don't want to say too much about the memorandum of understanding, but that's certainly been reported. That's out there. And what you said is accurate.

[A]

So next year, if you're ranked in the top 12, you're automatically in the playoffs.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Okay. And everybody agreed that, like, this was drawn up by Notre Dame, and then the College Football Playoff committee said, we'll sign off on that.

[B]

Well, it was part of the negotiations as we were contemplating the various changes that go into the committee and in preparation for the extension of the ESPN deal.

[A]

Are we looking at a 16 team field next season?

[B]

Dan, I go back to what I said when you were here on campus for the USC game.

I, I firmly believe that the right answer is 16 teams with five automatic qualifiers and 11 at large. And maybe there's no perfect answers. You know, think about this year, Dan. If, say, we were four teams, there wouldn't be any arguments. I mean, those four teams, I think that's crystal clear. Those are the right four teams. I don't think anybody would argue so 4, 12, 14, 16. I happen to think 16 is the answer. I think the majority of the vast, major, overwhelming majority of the people in the College Football Management Committee room agree with me. I think anything beyond 16, in my opinion, is a mistake because it would interfere with the importance of the regular season. And, oh, by the way, did we feel that this year. Right, but that's important, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, we knew we had two tough games played, you know, well, we certainly got better over the course of the season, but we lost the two great teams by a total of four points. We felt we had zero wiggle room. We felt we did what we needed to do. It turns out we didn't have a chance. Right. And that's what's so disappointing. But I think 16 teams with the 5 and 11 format is the way to go.

[A]

Dan. Pete Babaqua, Notre Dame athletic director, joining us. But when is this voted on? When is this decided? Or is it already decided?

[B]

No, it's been a series of conversations for the better part of a year or more. As you saw, it was reported that we have a bit of an extension from when we need to inform ESPN of what the format will be. We'll meet as a group over the national championship weekend. I'm not sure if anything's going to get resolved as it relates to format in that room at that time, but these conversations are ongoing.

If I had to guess what happens next year, I think there's a good chance we stay at 12. I hope we can keep pushing for 16. But Dan, I just, I just don't know how that's going to end.

[A]

College football is at a crossroads, it feels like, but it does take something to make change. So maybe what happened here with Notre Dame brings about change. So it could be a catalyst. You see it that way.

[B]

Well, again, I, we're frustrated with the process, not the teams. They're all great teams and it's a bunch of team. BYU has a great argument. Texas, Vanderbilt, Miami, Alabama, Notre Dame, we all have great arguments. It's the process that bothers us.

[A]

Well, those ranking shows bother me, Pete.

[B]

Because, well, they bother me too, because, you know, if we said, well, if we had assembled as a team on Sunday and rankings hadn't told us for the previous weeks, we're in, we're in, we're in. Take care of business, take care of business. And hey, you know what? Notre Dame, you're 11 and now you're going to get squeezed out because of the conference tie ins and Miami beat you and hey, I get it. But these ranking shows, as I said yesterday, like, what's the point? Why kind of send these signals and get the hopes up of these, of these teams, these coaches, these kids on the team that believe they're doing everything necessary. And then like I said, it just felt in that room a collective sense of the rug being taken out from under us without any explanation that I've heard, Dan, that has me feeling better about it.

[A]

Casual fan hears this and says it's sour grapes. Notre Dame trying to be bigger than everybody. More important, you would say what?

[B]

Well, listen, everybody kind of wants to do right by their team. We felt like we did what we needed to do this season to earn a spot in the college football playoffs. We feel that we have one of the very best teams in the country. I think the majority of people who follow this sport so closely agree. Every indication we had from that first ranking suggested that that committee agreed with us. We were always being compared to Alabama. We couldn't possibly have ended the year any better than we did. I get why people think it's sour grapes, but, you know, it's disappointment, Dan. I mean, this is. We take this seriously, as do other universities. And, you know, the rankings can't just be musical chairs at some, you know, fifth grade birthday party. They have to mean something. And to me, what happened to us really kind of was alarming.

[A]

Just to get you on record, you're not anti Pop Tarts, right? Because you guys were reportedly going to the Pop Tart bowl to play byu.

[B]

Dan, the irony in that is I love pop Tarts and I. I particularly love the brown sugar pop Tarts. I probably eat too many of them now. I'm a huge fan of pop Tarts. That's nothing to do with arts.

[A]

Okay. Just want to make sure we got that on record. I would say great to talk to you again, but thanks for. We appreciate you coming on and giving your side of the thing. If the people watching on TV behind you. What. What are all those numbers behind you?

[B]

So these behind me, these are actual bench seats from Notre Dame Stadium. So when we did the extension and the. The renovation and created Crossroads here, there were some of the original seats left over. So we created a wall here with some of the original bench seats in. In Notre Dame Stadium. So this is the back of my office that you're looking at.

[A]

How old are those seats?

[B]

Probably some of them different ages, but different panels. But some of them are over a century old.

[A]

Thanks again, Pete. We appreciate your time now.

[B]

Thanks for having me on, Dan, and good to see you, and then hope to see you soon.

[A]

That's Pete Bavacqua. He's the Notre Dame athletic director. Yeah, I. I understand it. You just want to know what the rules are. And I'm not a Notre Dame apologist. I'm just saying, let's just look at common sense here. And I'm not anti Miami. If Miami was ranked ahead of Notre Dame, fine. Just. You can't wait a month and all of a sudden go, you know, Miami should be ranked ahead of Notre Dame. Put him there to begin with. Was there something up with the acc? I think there's a whole lot more with that story. And Pete, I think, would love to have talked about that, but you could tell what the ACC did and did not do is going to be there for a little while. But he did say that rankings can't be musical chairs like a fifth grade birthday party. And he's right. It's these, hey, every Tuesday, the big reveal on the mothership, it's, you know, great programming for them, but it puts, it puts the College Football Playoff committee in a tough situation because you got to explain, okay, what happened then and why is it different now and why is it different in three or four weeks from now? And was Notre Dame being set up for disappointment? As my source said, this is last week they said this and then you had the Miami situation. But maybe it brings about change. But it didn't sound like Pete thought that they were expanding to 16 teams. And I had been told that they were going to. First I was told they weren't and then I was told that, hey, there's real strong momentum to have a 16 team playoff next year. And now Notre Dame is guaranteed if they're ranked in the top 12 next year. And we even said that after their first two losses. I said if they run the table, they're in two losses, quality losses, beginning of the year losses, and they'll make the playoffs. Yes. Todd, it's very interesting saying how the relationship with the ACC is strained. That'll be interesting to follow moving forward. What's going to happen there? And that covers a lot of sports here. That's not just football because they do have a partial schedule there with some ACC teams. But now you're talking about all the other sports they have with the acc. All right, we'll take a break. We will give you our best and worst of the weekend right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Hello. Hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business? My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah.

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Hey David. Dan got a. Hey, Dan got a Best and worst Dealers finally winning against the Ravens last time we beat them in Baltimore. Kenny Pickett and Tyler Huntley were the quarterback second best. Seeing Todd's Broncos succeed in AFC west and looks like they're going to get a new, possibly a new champ this, this year and it's just really good to see. That's my best. Thank you. Gus in la. Hi Gus. Best and worst of the weekend. Good morning, Mr. Patrick. Best of the weekend got to be Indiana. To me, you know, everybody's been kind of like waiting for them to lose just so they could be like, see, told you. I told you. But great for them. Fernando Mendoza, the Heisman winner. Can't wait to see see that one play out worse of the weekend. Look, you know, to me it was flat out just arrogance of notice. Shame to sit there and be like, well, we didn't get in so we're not going to go to bunny bowl game. You think Texas is sitting there right now? Texas, who probably could maybe be in there, has maybe a case or whatever and is like, well, we should be in there too, you know, I mean like, dude, don't, don't schedule Syracuse. Blow them out knowingly, 70 to 7 and be like, see, we're so good. See, we like we should be in there. No, dude, it's arrogance. You guys take play like a champion. How about you show up and just play the game? All right. Thank you, Gus. Michael in Miami. Hi, Mike. Hey, Dan. 62300.

Beth. Was Miami getting in? My worst honestly, is Notre Dame getting out and that's because I thought the committee would have them play each other again in the semifinals of the ACC debacle of how they did their rankings is I think what pushed Notre Dame out. Yeah, I think there's, there's another story to tell here and I think it has to do with the acc because the ACC was going to lobby hard for Miami and maybe not lobby so hard for Notre Dame, at least from what I'm told. And I have two sources on this, so I've Been trying to get information on it. You know the Alabama placing is a little questionable prior to the the College Football Playoff committee reveal. Miami put them in front of Notre Dame. Nobody would have had a problem with that. I wouldn't. But when you let them jump, Alabama is non competitive in the SEC title game. Yes, they got there but they were not competitive at all. And then you're not dropping. I don't know, it just. It felt a little nefarious there. Todd. Best and worst of the weekend My best of the weekend they lost their football coach but Iowa State basketball sally dominated. Number one Purdue 8158 with the help of 11 three pointers. Boilermakers 23 point loss. Largest non conference home loss by a number one team in AP poll history. Tied for the largest homeless ever by a number one team. Wow. Worst. Alabama getting shut out for the first three quarters against Georgia. They lose the game by three touchdowns. 28 7. The dogs had 141 total rushing yards. Crimson tide negative three seaton best and worst. My best of the weekend is Mike Tomlin getting a huge dub against the Ravens. I guess I'm not any good at coaching. Why don't I just beat the Ravens then?

My worst of the weekend, Tampa Bay losing. That was an absolute must win. They've lost I think five of the last seven or something like that. If there was an NFL playoff selection committee they would be on the outside looking in. Marvin. Best and worst Best of the weekend Titans running back Tony Pollard 25 carries, 161 yards, two touchdowns. Worst of the weekend the commanders what happened this season after making the NFC.

[B]

Championship game last year, they're now 310.

[A]

And they got shut out. You know, harder is for NFL team to get shut out. I'm watching the Broncos and the Raiders. I have this bet with Todd. I had the Raiders with a better record than the Broncos so I got to get a pie to the face. I think they're 11 and 2 and 2 and 11 right now. My standings are. So can we call now? We can settle the bet now. Probably. I don't see the Raiders catching up with four games. All right, maybe double or nothing.

I could have to make it like a 30 game schedule or something.

So you're down by 10, the line is seven and a half and the to end the game you kick a field goal and then all of a sudden you lose by seven. When the line is seven and a half, what team goes for a field goal at the end of the game when you know that you need 10 points so you're going to get. You're not even going for a touchdown? Oh, yes, Todd. The only thing I thought of is they were hoping the kick would take less than five seconds, and then they cut it to seven and an onside kick with one second left that somehow they pick up and run in for a touchdown. Something crazier things have happened, I guess. I guess technically. But you can't advance an onside. Can't. So I don't. So I don't even know. So would there be time for one play if they got it? Probably not. I. I don't think so. But once again.

I do watch the lines as a former gambler and I'm always curious, like, whenever there's a last second, you know, play one way or another, I go, how did that affect the spread? And most times it does. Paulie, best and worst of the weekend. I got two best. As obvious as it is, the Indiana Hoosiers beating Ohio State and doing it with defense. They held him to 58 yards rushing, 2.2 a carry. If you're from Earth, Indiana being the number one football team in the country is one of the wildest stories of my lifetime. Unbelievable. And then one that went under the radar a little bit this weekend. FCS playoffs Illinois State Redbirds take down North Dakota state, previously undefeated 29, 28, in a fantastic game. Huge day for Illinois State. I think Illinois State was a 22, 23 point underdog in that game. Rich in Pittsburgh. Hey, Rich, thanks for holding. What's on your mind?

The whole thing for the acc.

The Notre Dame, Miami was created by the acc. Why was Duke plan Virginia and not their best second best team, Miami playing Virginia, then Miami and Virginia. Whoever won went right into the tournament. Well, there's some kind of like five team tiebreaker that Duke somehow won. I.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I would hope that you had a better ACC title game, but then Duke ends up winning. Yes. Dude, sounded like Jim Boeheim checking in there. Oh, well, Jim's not doing anything now. Aaron in Fort Wayne. Hi, Aaron. What's on your mind today?

Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call.

Best of worst of the weekend. Definitely. My Hoosiers take it down. Ohio State. And Paulie is right. I was thinking about this. Like, what kind of story is there ever been of a team rising up like Indiana? I mean, you get it in March Madness. Well, you know what? We gave Dion so much credit for what he did at Colorado. Right? Everybody lauding, oh my God, look at what Dion did. They won one game the previous year. Whatever they won, then they won four and it was like game day. And you know, everybody's out there. Kurt Signetti did something that's never been done before. Like that turnaround is a million times more than what Dion did at Colorado. Colorado has won a national title before. Colorado has had a Heisman Trophy winner before. Colorado has played good football before. Indiana has not.

What he did in two years is incredible.

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