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On this Tuesday, Dan and the Dan Etch Dan Patrick Show. We'll talk grass coming up. Specifically NFL grass fields. Not weed grass. We got the NFL giving us their field expert because why can't we keep these soccer fields? And even in cold weather climates, is there a better alternative to the Astroturf or that field? Turf. The turf. Now, some of these places has little pieces of rubber ground up. So you'll see guys when they, you know, get tackled or they make a sharp cut and there'll be some, you know, debris that kind of pops up there that I think is supposed to soften the fall. You know, when you, you hit that turf, you just walk on that turf. If you stand on the turf on the sidelines, your knees and your hips and your ankles are aching by three. Marvin, you've done this. When you're on the sidelines and you just stand there all game, you haven't really done much. But just standing on that, walking on that stuff, it'll, it'll bang you up a little bit.
Marvin
Absolutely. And on top of that, when you take off your shoes, there's just the pellets just all in your socks and in your sneakers the entire game.
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8773-DP-SHoVE Email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP-SHoVE say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app, by the way. The action heating up. Final stages of the Tour de France as they make their way through the heart of Paris. You can get coverage live next weekend on NBC. And Peacock, he is Nick Pappas, he's the NFL field director who joins us on the program. Nick, good morning. Can you give us an idea? I got your title. What is your job?
Nick Pappas
Morning, Dan. Appreciate you having me on. My job is exactly what it sounds like. Manage all things NFL fields.
Dylan
Right.
Nick Pappas
So I look at that as overseeing essentially three pillars with the league and that's one kind of our game day compliance as it, as it serves all of our regular season games and playoffs.
Paulie
Right.
Nick Pappas
That's at all of our club stadiums where I support our club field managers, obviously. Then there's the tentpole events, which is your international games as we know that continues to expand. Super Bowl, Pro bowl, the upcoming hall of Fame game, all those kind of tent pole events. Last piece is the research, the health and research understanding how we can improve our standards and continue to improve our services.
Dan Patrick
How do you become the field director? How do you become an expert?
Nick Pappas
I went to school to learn how to grow grass at the University of Massachusetts. So I have an agronomy degree and then started working for some different clubs, worked across mlb, mls, NFL. And I've been doing it over a decade now, and I'm fortunate to have made a good career out of it.
Dan Patrick
University of Grassachts, I think, is that we should call it. Okay, help me understand. We've had these beautiful soccer fields, you know, the Meadowlands, which historically has had some issues, I think, with players with that turf. Why can't we keep that grass field there at the Meadowlands?
Nick Pappas
Yeah, I think that the question's bigger than why can't we keep one field in one spot at any given time, though? It's.
Paulie
It's.
Nick Pappas
How do we ensure that we develop fields that are going to be right for our purpose, Right for the NFL.
Dan Patrick
Right.
Nick Pappas
What we saw the World cup do, and cheers to them and the team that put things together to ensure that they had a solid tournament was remarkable. But we need to make sure that we all understand here that soccer and football are not apples to apples. And there's a lot of things to consider when ensuring a surface is right for our NFL athletes.
Dan Patrick
Okay, but explain that. Why would a soccer field not work with the NFL?
Nick Pappas
Yeah, we've seen this before, right, Dan? Especially when we've traveled internationally. And there's nothing that states that those services for the World cup wouldn't have worked. It's just that we don't know that they absolutely would have worked in the same setting, the same climate, the same time of year, the same way that our buildings are used. Obviously, as we saw FIFA take over exclusivity of these buildings, that was their primary use on those services was just the soccer tournament, which is obviously why we're talking about this now. Right. So how do we look at that from the NFL's perspective? It's. Could we have, especially when you talk about MetLife, could we have one or two NFL teams playing on that? Could they play in August through January rather than obviously June and July, when the growing and the weather and the climate is different? Could we understand how MetLife operates as a facility and still make grass work? Those are things that really would have to be looked at. And obviously a big conversation would have to be had to determine, is it
Dan Patrick
possible the turf itself in some of these fields? Newer, but yeah, I go back to the old days with AstroTurf, and that was, you know, concrete with carpet on it. But the advances in technology, where. Where are we now with trying to make it as close to a friendly surface for these players.
Nick Pappas
Yeah, we're. We're tenfold beyond where we started. When you look at the old Astroturfs as Astroturf kind of had the original. The original product, right? But when you look at it now, these infill 3G style systems have come so far, but quite honestly, Dan, I think we're just cracking the surface, no pun intended, on some of this, right? Largely, we've left it to the industry, to the artificial turf industry to come to us with products. Well, the NFL and the NFLPA are the only group that's really complaining about these artificial surfaces. We don't hear a lot of it coming out of the power four conferences of ncaa. We certainly don't hear a lot of it at the municipality or the high school level. But we're the ones who are pushing the artificial turf industry saying, hey, we want better, but what is better?
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Nick Pappas
We've got to quantify better. How do we do that? And to our benefit, we've got what is called our joint field surface safety and Performance Committee. This is a committee between the NFL, NFLPA that's tied to the collective bargaining agreement where we sit down regularly and discuss surface improvement. And we're able to go back and apply pressure to the industry to say, this is what we mean when we say better. These are the target metrics. This is how we're measuring fields. These are how we're objectifying what better is. That way we can start to actually see those changes.
Dan Patrick
I'm not sure where you stand on this excuse or maybe reason, but you have owners who say, look, we have multiple events on our field, in our stadium, and if we're having concerts there, you can't have natural grass. Is that a legitimate reason to not have natural turf?
Nick Pappas
Yeah, I think the way it's been evaluated, obviously when we look across injury data, right. We no longer see this as an injury issue.
Jeremy
Right.
Nick Pappas
In the past, there was concerns that turf was driving up the injury rate. When we look at the injury rate and the severity of injury, and what
Paulie
do I mean by that?
Nick Pappas
I mean the amount of ACLs, the amount of extended time loss injuries, those real burdensome injuries. When we look at that, it's a split grass versus turf. Right. So it becomes just the injury rate of playing football at this point. That's kind of been a part of the decision making to say, well, if it's not going to cause more injuries and it is just as safe, and it does give those facilities the opportunity to make good on whatever promises they have to the local communities or whatever they've deemed the way that they need to operate their building, then it's been a great option for them to use because it does allow for higher use case avoidance of adverse weather conditions, so on and so forth. Now, does that mean that, that that won't change?
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Nick Pappas
There's an opportunity to say, yeah, there's an injury perspective, but how can we get it to feel more like the players are asking us to make it feel?
Dan Patrick
Talking to Nick Pappas. He works for the NFL as their field director. I'm going to let you pick the stadium where you can get tackled. On what turf surface do you want to be tackled on?
Nick Pappas
If I'm getting tackled, I don't want to get tackled by any of these. Any of these guys. I've seen them all up close. But for me, quite honestly, I know from, from. And I'm biased here, I know from mechanical testing. When you talk about surface hardness, they're all within the same level of compliance. All of our fields are within the same range. So any given Sunday, Monday, whatever day of the week you want to play, you can pick any field you want. I've got confidence that the field managers there have ensured that it meets compliance. And I don't think one's going to be harder than the other.
Dan Patrick
So you have no soft landing spot that you would say turf or natural grass?
Nick Pappas
I think this is where there becomes some confusion about what, what we feel and what's being described. Right. A number of years ago with the nflpa, we did a player survey and we actually went out and ask players, tell us which fields feel hard, which fields feel soft. Right. And what they gave us in a response was inverse to what our mechanical testing was telling us. With that, we redeveloped the tools that we use to measure the fields, and now we know that what may feel, quote, unquote, hard is actually more of a amount of energy returned to the body. So from a surface hardness perspective, they're all within the same compliance. What we're now chasing is how do we get that amount of energy lost to the surface or amount of energy gained back to the surface to feel more like grass. Obviously, that's the target margin. Now, unless for some reason we can determine that there's an injury correlation to it. But that's what we hear. The players say they want it to feel more like grass. So that's what we're chasing now.
Dan Patrick
Do you have carpet in your office?
Todd
I do.
Dan Patrick
Okay. But not field turf.
Nick Pappas
I do not have a, any Sort of artificial turf surface in my, in my office? No.
Dan Patrick
Or you could have natural grass in there.
Nick Pappas
I could put some grass in here. I could call it my local sod farm and put some grass in here. And it would become more of my full time job to maintain the surface within my office than it is to be able to sit here and speak to you on these matters.
Dan Patrick
So you had. Who was the Marquis de Sade?
Nick Pappas
George Thoma was the predecessor to myself and Ed Mangan prior when they used to oversee the Super Bowl. So slightly different role, but yes, sir,
Dan Patrick
I was shocked when I went to Lambeau many, many years ago and they were painting grass on the field. There was. They were painting dirt green. What do you make of that, Nick?
Nick Pappas
Well, you know, I don't know how many, many years ago this was, but our, you know, our standards.
Dan Patrick
Red Farve was playing okay early in
Nick Pappas
his career or late in his career. He had a long tenure.
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Dan Patrick
Late in his career. Late in his career. Yeah.
Nick Pappas
You know, our standards have come so far over the, even the last, just the last decade. And that's the beauty of our joint Surface committee is the fact that we sit in a room regularly, from the top down and talk about what are the things that matter? How are, how do we actually get better? How do we define surface improvement? What are the things we need to look out for? And player safety is at the top of that. That is always the North Star. And then from there it's determining how do we co fund and jointly do research to determine what. What are the meaningful steps we can take to making meaningful change?
Dan Patrick
Great stuff, Nick. Thank you. And good luck with the job. Congrats on all those degrees you got. What were the degrees at UMass?
Nick Pappas
I did a, an associate's degree in turf grass management through their Stockbridge School of Agriculture. And then I did a Plant, Soil and Insect sciences bachelor through the University of Massachusetts and Amherst.
Dan Patrick
Do you judge lawns in your neighborhood?
Nick Pappas
Everyone's but my own. I travel far too much and spend too much time on the road, so I try to keep my job quiet to my neighbors. Otherwise I would be heavily judged.
Dan Patrick
Thank you, Nick. We appreciate it.
Nick Pappas
Appreciate it, Dan.
Paulie
Thank you.
Dan Patrick
That's Nick Pappas. He's a big deal with the NFL. He's their field director. All right. Feels like, yeah, maybe if you get tackled on grass and natural turf, you know, they kind of figured this thing out. Yeah. Deal.
Dylan
That sounds about as qualified as you can be for that job. Just based on his major, he could
Dan Patrick
have made it up I have no idea. You know, yes, Paul, that's a really cool job.
Paulie
I mean, some people go to school for golf course management, lawn, lawn care type of stuff, but this is high level stuff.
Dan Patrick
But it feels like it's a thankless job because somebody's going to be complaining about it. And this was when Farve people thought he was going to retire. And I went to Lambeau with my son and I went down on the field and I was like, oh, my God. Like this is Lambeau. And they were painting the field. They were playing Seattle and Matt Hasselbeck. I said, and you get tackled on this. He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, Paulie, remember
Paulie
the 2017 Big Ten title game, college football. And a piece of turf got pulled back. I think it was OSU Wisconsin. A guy on national TV had to run the field guy, the stadium guy had to run on TV and patch it back together in real time to get the game going on national TV.
Dan Patrick
I remember Super Bowl, Bengals and the 49ers in Miami. That field was horrendous. When RG3 got hurt when they were then the Redskins, that field was.
Aaron
That.
Dan Patrick
That was an embarrassment to high school football. Yeah. Dill.
Dylan
Well, and like golf courses will. Will paint the grass too. Like Augusta, I think before Masters week will go and kind of touch up little, you know. Obviously the grass there's about as perfect.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but you're not falling on that.
Dylan
You can if you're drunk to know you.
Dan Patrick
I don't know if anybody's drunk at the Masters. Who's playing?
Dylan
Oh, no, not playing.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, yeah, well, they were. They were painting the outside of the green in Tahoe. When we were out there, it was like, all right, all right, I'm fine with that. Connor in Chicago. Hi, Connor. What do you have for me?
James
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Dan Patrick
Five, nine and a hard ish 175.
James
So, dude, we're talking turf, man.
Aaron
Yeah, Bottom line, it's. It's cheap.
James
Cheap, cheap, cheap.
Aaron
Nobody likes to spend the money working in the golf course industry, man. Assistant superintendent probably for like six years now.
James
Oh, dude, you can have grass basically
Jeremy
anywhere you want it.
Aaron
It's just how much money do you want to spend? It's all about the bottom line, basically.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't think that surprises anybody, but there are certain owners who aren't going to spend that money. Certain owners who will spend that money. Yeah.
Dylan
Do I always think back to the. The Raiders playing on a baseball diamond forever? How I wonder what the injury data on that would have been.
Dan Patrick
I don't know. That was terrible at the Oakland Coliseum. The Oakland A's. It was just weird when you're watching the Raiders and you know, like, there's a catch behind second base. Dave Casper is going to get a first down here. You know, you'd be like, oh, that first base line.
Dylan
Yeah, Dylan, it looks so bad on Tv, too. Like, you literally were like, I don't
Dan Patrick
know where, really bad in person. It looked really bad in person, too. Yeah, Paul, I'm looking at a picture.
Paulie
I don't think I remember how bad it was. The infield is right at the 50 yard line, a semicircle. Then both end zones have dirt on them.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, terrible, terrible.
Dylan
The warning track.
Dan Patrick
All right, Drew Brees set to join us. We'll take a break. Back after this.
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Drew Brees running a little late, so we'll talk to him about 20 minutes from now, I think. Big day for me. Post show movie day. Going to see the Odyssey IMAX theater, ready to go. Afternoon date with my wife. Love an afternoon movie. I'd go in the morning if I could, but I love when you come out of a movie theater and it's still light out and you're like, let's, let's chat this up. Yeah, let's talk about the movie instead of, you get home and it's 10:30, 11:00 clock at night. Now you got a chance, sit down, have dinner, chat about it. Matt Damon, big star, Anne Hathaway, who's pregnant with child. She is in the movie Nupito Luongo is, I think, also in it as well. Yes, Marvin, real quick.
Marvin
I saw a movie that I should have seen 20 years ago, and I feel kind of like ashamed that I hadn't seen it.
Dan Patrick
Okay. This happened in Tahoe, didn't it?
Marvin
Right when we got home from Tahoe.
Dan Patrick
Okay, okay. Because you, you said something to me and then I didn't revisit it. Is it a guy movie? Yes, a guy's guys Movie?
Marvin
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Marvin
I would think so.
Dan Patrick
What era?
Marvin
So it came out about 20 years ago.
Dan Patrick
20 years ago. Star power.
Marvin
Yes.
Dan Patrick
They were stars in the movie. They were already stars when they did this. They didn't become stars after this.
Marvin
They were stars when the movie was released.
Dan Patrick
Okay. Comedy.
Antoine
Action.
Jeremy
Action.
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Dan Patrick
20 years. Action. Big stars.
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Marvin
No.
Dan Patrick
Okay. That might have been longer than 20 years. Paula, you got a suggestion?
Paulie
The first movie, the Bourne Identity.
Marvin
No, That's a really good guess, though.
Dan Patrick
I love the Bourne Identity.
Marvin
Love it.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. I think he's going to do one more. When I have him on. I got to pin him down. He's got to give me one more before maybe he ages out of the action. Star. Although he bulked up for Odyssey. He's got some guns on him. He's got Fritzy arms on him. Yeah.
Dylan
Dylan, didn't Jeremy Renner do like the last. We're just forgetting about that one.
Jeremy
Right?
Dan Patrick
And I like Jeremy Renner. He's just not born. Yeah, just not born. Yes. Marv. Okay, you got another guest, Paul.
Paulie
The Departed.
Marvin
No, but one of the stars.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Marvin
One of the stars of that movie is in this film that I hadn't seen before.
Dan Patrick
Okay, so Jack Nicholson, Matt Damon, Mark Wahlberg. So Mark Wahlberg is the guy. Mark Wahlberg is your star? Yes. Dylan Shooter. That's not a must.
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Dylan
I'm just thinking about Mark Wahlberg movie.
Paulie
No offense.
Dan Patrick
Boogie Night.
Marvin
No, no, no. I saw that way too young.
Paulie
That is an action movie.
Dan Patrick
So it's a Mark Wahlberg movie. The Italian John Bloop. Oh, okay. That's not a great movie.
Marvin
Loved that movie.
Dan Patrick
Charlize Theron.
Marvin
Yep. Ed Norton.
Dan Patrick
Eddie Norton. Yeah. And they had their little Mini.
Dylan
The Mini.
Dan Patrick
Mini Coopers.
Marvin
Donald Sutherland.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Marvin
He was so good. In my head, I was like, how come I never seen this? So when I told my wife I had never seen it because we were just trying to show my son some movies, you know, stuff that, you know, we had watched. She's like, oh, we should watch the Italian Job. I was like, I've never seen it. She's like, really?
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Marvin
I said, you know what? Let's watch it. We like. We both like Mark Wahlberg, but I think for different reasons.
Dan Patrick
You find him hot. She thinks he's a great actor.
Marvin
Correct?
Dan Patrick
Yeah, of course. Yes.
Dylan
Dylan, I wonder if more like of a type of car have been sold from one movie, because I'm pretty sure after that the Mini Cooper sales, like, blew up.
Dan Patrick
Trying to think of another car. Another car maybe jumps out where you go like Trans Ams for Smokey and the Bandit. How about that one?
Marvin
Bloop.
Dan Patrick
And a lot of times the car companies will pay to have their. You know, it's being able to have your car in a movie.
Paulie
Yeah, Paul, I have a list of that. Where they paid to be in the movie. Audi paid a lot of money to be in the chase scenes. And taken with Liam Neeson, you see the car going through Paris at night. And Audi rings keep showing up. The one that didn't work out too well, I think it was a casino royale. James Bond movie. James Bond pulls up to the beachside resort in a Ford Fusion, which was not exactly international man of intrigue type car.
Carrie Brownstein
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Paulie
Yeah. So they paid to be the James Bond car.
Dan Patrick
Oh, my God.
Paulie
Yeah. So he's driving around in a rented Ford Fusion, which you're not, trust me, you're not getting any girls with sensible. Sensible on mileage. And then at another point in the movie, he does drive a classic Aston Martin, but it's the girls.
Dan Patrick
Aston Martin, Yes. Dylan.
Dylan
Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like after the casino Royale, though, weren't all of the Bond cars. Aston Martin?
Dan Patrick
Well, I think prior to that.
Dylan
Yeah. But then after as well, like, I think, what are some fall and those ones.
Dan Patrick
Well, they should be.
Dylan
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
Ford Fusion.
Dylan
What a nice Ford Fiesta for successful.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. A Ford Tiempo, not Tempo, but a Tmpo. Yeah.
Paulie
Paulie, if you're trying to save the world, mileage counts. Dan, I think Churchill said that.
Dan Patrick
I'm not worried about mileage if I'm trying to save the world.
Paulie
Right.
Dan Patrick
Just saying, you know, are we going to have a Prius in one of these, like, sensible, good on gas? Yeah.
Paulie
You try to light up the tires to chase the bad guy and nothing happens.
Dan Patrick
Why is it the cars that are really economical, like, can't you spice them up so they look good? Like they look sporty? Because it feels like when they have those cars that get great mileage, they don't. They. They look like they get great mileage, but they don't look like fancy or, you know, sporty or anything. Like you're going, hey, look at that. They're like, yeah, I drive the priest. Yes, Dylan.
Dylan
Well, I feel like that with, like, the EVs now. They look cool. But there was a time where, like, when Prius was the first one on the market as, like, a hybrid car, I was like, you guys, it's been out for a while. You guys could tinker with the design a little bit. I don't Think it has to look like this?
Dan Patrick
Yeah, that. It's. That's what I keep thinking, that you might sell even more cars if you felt prouder driving a car that looked like a sharp car. When the Prius came out, my wife was like, I'm gonna get a Prius. I go, all right. And that thing went back and forth cross country a couple of times with two different kids going to school and back. I. I got nothing but good things to say about it. I don't know what they do with those batteries. You know, that might be the problem when you. You know, you got to get a new one. But people were stealing the battery. Were they catalytic converters and, you know, but that Prius, it was like $22,000. And it lasted a long, long time. Yes, Todd, but no one wants to
Todd
go see the Lame and the Furious. That's the problem. You got to sporty it up a little bit.
Marvin
I like the Fast and Furious.
Dan Patrick
Been sitting on that one for a little bit.
Todd
A couple minutes. I should have kept that one to myself.
Dan Patrick
You know, we might as well, you know, get your LeBron Limerick out of the way, too, if we're kind of on a bad run here.
Todd
LeBron Eric.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, that's. Todd goes, I'm sitting on the toilet, and I came up with a LeBron Eric. And I go, what is that? He goes, it's a limerick. So this was.
Todd
Never know where these ideas are going to come from. Just sitting on the bowl.
Dan Patrick
I'm like, here comes. And it feels like it could be flushed as well, but go ahead.
Todd
Todd manipulates media with such precision, much like a surgical incision. Would we really even care if the sports calendar wasn't bare? Would you please just make a decision?
Dan Patrick
Alrighty. Solid. Unlike your.
Paulie
I'm glooping you there.
Dan Patrick
Thank you.
Todd
Very accurate. If you must know,
Marvin
he blooped when he's on the toilet.
Dan Patrick
Also, yeah, extra dude wipes.
Dylan
There's that lettuce issue going around.
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Paulie
I. I read a little about that. I haven't seen it on tv.
Dan Patrick
Okay. I. I bought lettuce yesterday.
Paulie
Is that allowed?
Dan Patrick
Well, I did, but it was in a bag. And this woman said, older woman, what are you doing? And I go, getting some lettuce. She goes, you better not. I wasn't aware of this. So I come home and my daughter goes, why'd you buy lettuce? I go, I was instructed to. Yeah, but you got to really, really wash that. And then I. I didn't know anything about this. And then she told Me, you know, some of the end results. You see what, Todd? I'm crushing it right now. Yes, Dylan.
Dylan
Yeah. I believe it's a cyclospora outbreak. And the main adjective used in the symptoms is explosive.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I know, but didn't they do that with Taco Bell?
Dylan
Yeah, well, they. It's. So it's traced to this lettuce farm in California, I think. So if you're going to get Taco Bell, which I did actually, a couple of days ago, get some stuff without lettuce and then you're fine.
Paulie
Yeah, Paulie, I'm not sure. You're fine if you just take the lettuce off the Taco Bell. I've been there before.
Marvin
I.
Dan Patrick
You know what? Taco Bell. There's certain times.
Nick Pappas
Oh, yeah.
Dan Patrick
There's certain foods at certain times of the day and night where you go, yeah. Yes. Marvin.
Marvin
Yeah. That Crunchwrap supreme from Taco Bell. I mean, later on you're gonna have to. But it's so good in the moment.
Dan Patrick
Yeah.
Dylan
Dill, I don't subscribe to this certain times thing with Taco bell, I think 24 7, 365. It hits.
Dan Patrick
You're the target demo.
Dylan
Absolutely.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Here's that loser again.
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Paulie
Yeah, Paul, I do have the FDA's website and they say the outbreak, if you want to use that word, is big in Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia, not so much where we are. That doesn't mean go willy nilly with lettuce.
Dan Patrick
Okay. Yeah. But this elderly lady was like, what are you doing? It's like, me, yes. You're getting lettuce. I go, yeah. Yes, Dylan, Yes.
Dylan
It's traced to Taylor Farms lettuce. So I guess just avoid that.
Dan Patrick
We shouldn't be naming the name, should we?
Dylan
No, it's in a bunch of articles.
Dan Patrick
Okay.
Dylan
Yeah.
Dan Patrick
Because then short that stock.
Todd
Take responsibility.
Dylan
I think we missed the stock shorting window.
Dan Patrick
Let's take a break. What?
Todd
I was wondering if the cashier said, let us warn you. Don't buy this. It's dangerous. Let us sworn you.
Jeremy
All right.
Dan Patrick
That's a little bit of a comeback for you. All right.
Todd
All right, I'll take it.
Dan Patrick
All right, Work on getting Drew Brees. Okay.
Todd
I think he's going to be joining us in like six, seven minutes from now. I feel good about that.
Dan Patrick
Okay. All right, let me take a break here. All right. We'll come back with Drew Brees after this.
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All righty. You can switch to life changing wet. Extra large flushable Dude Wipes Wetter is better. Available at Amazon major retailers nationwide. Dude Wipes Best clean. Pants down. Fritzi still trying to lock in Drew Brees James in Virginia. Hi, James. What do you have for me today?
James
Oh, thank you for taking my call, brother. Happy Tuesday, D.P. dan. That's big time. All the time, every time. Salute the commander. And some positive vibes out there, man. The best thing about bad days is they end, y', all and the new day begins, man. I'm just calling, man, because y' all were talking football and you know, I love the. The Pinskin, man, and the top four running backs of all time.
Late Career Commentator
You.
James
You were hitting it. Jim Brown was before my era, but you watch those highlights, man, and he is the. He is the truth. Barry Sanders, the best running back I ever seen in my life. Sweetness has got to be up there. 100 and as begrudgingly as I can say, this number 22, Emma Smith. I didn't say that, did I? And then honorable mentions, for sure. For sure. Gail Sayers was before my time, but you watch that. And he was amazing for the Bears. Eric Dickerson. Eric Allen. I mean, yeah, Eric Allen. Not Eric Allen.
Dan Patrick
Marcus Allen.
James
The Raiders. Marcus Allen.
Antoine
I'm sorry, I'm going too fast.
James
Marcus Allen. And then my last one would be. Could have been the greatest of all time, despite injuries. But Terrell Davis, man, his run in those four, four or five years was just something amazing to watch his ability to just make people miss and take it to the house. I love Terrell Davis, man. Shout out to you, Todd. You guys have a great day. Can't wait for the season, man. Salute the command. It's always good talking.
Dan Patrick
I think it's 50 days from today when the NFL season opener takes place. Jeremy in Alabama. Hi, Jeremy. What's on your mind?
Jeremy
Hey, Dan. You know, looking at it for years of sitting back there beside Fritzi Seaton, looks rough today. But so I'm just saying, I was listening to this conversation earlier that you had with this with Nick, and what I compare it to is this. You know, the state of Alabama doesn't have a lottery. And the reason the state of Alabama doesn't have a lottery is because there's certain officials that get kickbacks from Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida so that people from Alabama will drive to their states and buy their lottery tickets. And I feel that's the Same way with Nick. He's got a lot, you know, the people paying him are the ones that don't want the turf. So I heard a lot of political answers and a lot of his answers today. Thanks, Dan. And if I don't ever get to call again because it's so spacious when I do. Enjoyed the show and you have always been the highlight of my morning, dad.
Dan Patrick
So thank you, Jeremy. Thank you. Now, I thought Nick Pappas, who is the field director for the NFL with turf, natural grass, I thought he came off really well. Gave us a lot of information there. Do I think that injuries aren't an issue anymore, which Nick did say? No, I still think they're an issue. Yes. Dylan.
Dylan
I think one of his points though is like there hasn't been like a concrete correlation to turfer's grass and like it equating to more injuries, like beyond maybe coincidence even. So I, I get where he was coming from, where he's like, there isn't anything quantifiable necessarily.
Dan Patrick
It feels like the Meadowlands is a bad turf. Historically, players have talked about it. There have been injuries there that players will say is a direct result from that turf, Veteran Stadium in Philadelphia, that historically was one of the worst turfs that I ever stood on. And then players would talk about how hard it was, guys got hurt. Did Sterling Sharp get hurt in Philadelphia? Marvin, Michael Irving, Michael Irvin did okay. Yeah. Paul.
Paulie
I could see as a player the soft grass is appealing, but the field turf has more consistency. You're unlikely have a divot in that grass that could really jack up your knee.
Dan Patrick
Yeah. Because there's been natural turf grass. You know, what you know, RFK Stadium had was embarrassing. I mean, even Lambo. Once again, I haven't been on the field in a long time, but they were painting, you know, the dirt green. I don't know how healthy that can be for you, but as he said, look, we've made a lot of strides in the last decade. I'll take him at his word. Yeah. Dylan.
Dylan
Yeah, I was going to say FedEx Field, which I believe was RFK.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, that's. That was terrible.
Dylan
Widely considered, I think, the worst field conditions. And that was grass.
Dan Patrick
So it is.
Dylan
I mean, you can do grass all you want. You still got to maintain it.
Dan Patrick
Aaron in Fort Wayne. Hi, Aaron.
Aaron
Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. When I get in on some of the grass conversation here, I'm surprised the guy you had on didn't mention it, but with all that Walmart money, I mean, the Broncos, they have A bunch of like a network of heated pipes underneath the field. That's how they're able to have like a Kentucky bluegrass that kind of has a, has a thicker, like rhizomes that it spreads easier. But also at the Masters, I mean, there's another system they have underneath there that blows. Oh yeah, hot air through the bottom of the greens. That kind of. Which they don't have the extreme cold temperatures. But you know, the main problem is 55 degrees. As soon as the soil temperature goes under 55, graph dies, you know.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, it's different with Augusta. That's completely different. I mean, they, they want that ready for, you know, two weeks in April. Now you do have the members. You want it to be available before the Masters, certainly after the Masters. But, you know, they, they get. I saw where. How much you think it cost to join Augusta, Dylan? It's a low.
Dylan
I'm guessing like 10 or 20 grand.
Dan Patrick
Okay, Marvin.
Marvin
40 grand.
Dan Patrick
It's 40 grand. 40 grand. Because it's not the money, it's the prestige to be able to join it. And as, as a member once told me you couldn't wait to get your monthly bill because that meant you were still a member. And you know, these guys, you, you don't get to play it very often, but yeah, they were there. There's a golf course, I think it's on Long island, that's a million dollars to join. I think there might be one in, in Scottsdale. A million dollars to join. Yeah. Paulie.
Paulie
Yeah, the one you just mentioned, Sibonac Golf Club Sabanic. Okay. Over between seven hundred and a million. Shell Bay in Florida is a million. Liberty national in Jersey City, half a million. There's a bunch more in that ilk.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, that's why the golf course I, I joined, it was $6,000. And my wife thought that was a ton of money. And she goes, you gotta, you gotta be playing more golf. I go, well, okay, hon, I guess I will, yeah, whenever you say. Meanwhile, my friend, he belongs to a golf course in Jersey. And I think it was $175,000. And he had to put that up for a couple of years before he got to join. Like, they kept your money. I'm like, you know, our friend in Jersey, his golf course, $175,000. Like, oh my God, does he play every day? I go, he tries to, yeah. Dill. Yeah.
Dylan
If you get like wait listed. Because obviously some of these, you know, famous courses have like a hundred year wait list. Is there money like in escrow?
Dan Patrick
Like Wingfoot? Yeah, you know, I, you know, but I have a friend who collects memberships to golf courses all over the country. He's got one in Aspen and Vail, Scottsdale, Columbus, and, you know, so if I'm ever traveling, I just, you know, call my friend. I said, hey, do you got a membership? And you know this place you go? As a matter of fact, I do. Hey, could you get a hold of somebody who would like to play golf? And that's usually how it happens. Yeah.
Paulie
Paul, pebble beach is public, but does it also have a club membership?
Dan Patrick
I don't think so.
Paulie
Okay.
Dan Patrick
And pebble is like maybe $700,000 or $700 for a round. There's one in Vegas, Shadow Creek, that I think is over a thousand dollars to play a round of golf. So that's just a round of golf? Yes, yes. Dylan?
Dylan
Yeah, Shadow Creek's like 12.50, I think Sawgrass, I think these days is like 8 or 900 bucks.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, I like sawgrass, but not that much. Yeah, I don't want to pay, you know, twelve hundred dollars to play the seventeenth hole at Sawgrass. The island green. Yes. Dill.
Dylan
Yeah. And the, the Wynn Golf Course in Vegas, which is like right on the strip there. I think that's like 700 bucks to play, which is crazy to me when, like 700 bucks to get you around at pebble beach or the Wind. I mean, a lot of guys that play it are probably comps and stuff.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, there's a lot of guys that, when I played Shadow Creek, we were comped when we went out there. If you get a chance to play Shadow Creek, do that. It's a beautiful golf course. Not a lot of traffic out there as far as golfers. And it, it's. They've thought of everything out there. Whisper Rock in Scottsdale, they got two 18 hole courses. That is a great facility. I went there and I played many, many years ago. And this if, if you win the club championship, they call it the fifth major because of all the touring pros that belong to this place. I went there and played, and then I came back like five years later. And I walk in and the clubhouse guy goes, you had the chocolate chip cookie last time. You want that this time? I'm like, man, that's pretty good. Get done with our round of golf. I sit down and the guy goes, you had draft beer last time. And I said, yes, I did. It was a little creepy that they were that buttoned up there with everything, but they're, you know, famous people. Belong to this. But attention to detail. Pretty spectacular. Yeah. Dill.
Dylan
Yeah. Back to Augusta, too. One of my favorite, like, I mean, obviously the Masters is, you know, run by the Illuminati, essentially, but, like, one of the little attention to detail things they do, in addition to painting the grass and spots, is every wrapper that you get with a food item during Masters week comes in a green wrapper. So if you happen to drop one or something and it's on the gr, it blends in naturally with the grass.
Dan Patrick
For tv, Paul in Michigan. Hi, Paul.
Late Career Commentator
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James
Dan? First time calling.
Late Career Commentator
I feel bad for Dylan. During the break, he was in the box, bummed about his master. Tickets get denied.
James
But there's a way of doing it
Late Career Commentator
if you want to be. You gotta be a class A golf course superintendent. And once you become a class A superintendent, you get one ticket to the Masters for any day of the week. So he's gotta go to a turf graph school like Michigan State and get his degree and work up the rates and become a golf course superintendent.
Dan Patrick
Okay, well, maybe I'll do that when I retire. Antoine in Florida. Hi, Antoine.
Antoine
Hello.
Dan Patrick
Hey.
Antoine
Hey, Dan.
James
This time, long time.
Antoine
I want to first start by apologizing the time I called the other day when it was the first time that I ever saw you guys live, doing the show. And then I. I kind of abruptly said, look at him. But like I said, I look the same way as him. 52 years old, balding, with a belly. So that's why. And Dylan said, so Antoine, do you know. Paul said, antoine, do you look like. You say you look like Todd? And I was like, yeah, but just different tone. Okay, next, back to the. The guy with the. The turf guy. Yeah, he was. Someone else said that he was a bit political, and I was up. He kept using the word. It's in compliance. And I was waiting for you to say, in compliance for who? It Compliant for your standards, for the money that owners are willing to spend. Because as far as the NBA players are concerned, Nick, do you go out there and put a helmet on and jump off the back of a car, land on your head? Then you would know what compliance is.
Dan Patrick
Yeah, but let me see how important this is to the players with the collective bargaining agreement. If you want to fight for this, you're going to have to trade something for this. That'll tell you a lot. 18 game schedule. You guys want it? Okay. You want something from the owners, you want to, you know, grass football fields, you're going to have to give something up. In return. That's the way it works. I believe Drew Brees will join us sometime next hour. In fact, he'll join us in about 10 minutes from now. Final hour Tuesday. I'm in the confessional right after this.
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This episode of The Dan Patrick Show dives deep into the NFL’s ongoing debates about playing surfaces—natural grass vs. artificial turf—with field expert Nick Pappas joining Dan and the Danettes. The team discusses the science, safety concerns, and economics of field surfaces, touching on the differences between soccer and football requirements, injury data, and sports venue economics. The hour also features lighthearted banter about movies, cars in cinema, and an unexpected segue into the current lettuce-based cyclospora outbreak affecting restaurants like Taco Bell.
Guest: Nick Pappas, NFL Field Director (04:18–14:07)
What Does an NFL Field Director Actually Do?
How Did He Become an Expert?
Grass vs. Turf: Why Not Just Use Soccer Fields for NFL?
Artificial Turf Advances & Challenges
Surface & Injury Data: Is Turf Still More Dangerous?
What Feels Better? The Player Perspective
Fun Tidbits
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On Field Technology Advancements:
“We’re just cracking the surface—no pun intended—on some of this.” (Nick Pappas, 07:27)
On Artificial Turf vs. Grass:
“There’s been natural turf grass, you know, RFK Stadium had, was embarrassing… even Lambeau, they were painting the dirt green.” (Dan, 39:07)
On the Player Perspective:
"Players say they want it to feel more like grass. So that’s what we’re chasing now.” (Nick Pappas, 10:58)
On Lettuce Outbreak:
"The main adjective used in the symptoms is ‘explosive.’" (Dylan, 32:43)
"Let us warn you. Don’t buy this. It’s dangerous. Let us warn you." (Todd, 34:25)
A mix of playfulness, nostalgia, and informed sports debate, classic to the Dan Patrick Show. Dan and the Danettes blend expertise with humor, often self-deprecating and filled with in-jokes, tosses to pop culture, and audience engagement through calls and banter.
For a full NFL field science download, some championship-level turf nerdiness, a pinch of sports-laced humor, and even lettuce-pun dad jokes, this hour delivers for both serious sports fans and casual listeners.