Dan (1:55)

Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.

Ty (2:00)

Listen to the solid verbal college football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Dan (2:08)

We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it.

Greg Rosenthal (2:12)

The NFL is rolling. That's right. And you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 60. It's in the name NFL Daily so you'll have fresh content in your feed all season long. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, in an all star cast of co hosts for previews and recaps of every single game. NFL Daily will keep you up to date with everything you need to know so you can sound smarter than all your friends. Listen to NFL daily on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Snacks (2:41)

No purchase necessary. Void where prohibited. Ends 28:26. Open to legal residents of the 50 US states and DC 18 and over. For complete details, how to enter prizes and official rules, visit toyotasgamedaygiveaways.com youm are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.

Dan (2:59)

Starting lineup's been altered today. Dillon in for Fritzi Seaton's here. Marv, Polly, yours truly and the BRGs. We'll have a poll question for you. We'll clean up the one we had from hour one. Peter King will join us. Hall of Fame football writer who actually is he's okay with a tie in overtime and he'll explain that to you. Coming up, Al Michaels will be on the call tonight. We have Thursday Night Football and it'll be the Rams and the Niners. The Niners getting eight and a half. No Brock Purdy in this game. Al Michaels will be on the call. Al will join us coming up. All right, here's a couple things on the Dodgers as I'm watching, okay, like everybody expected them to blow by the reds, Yamamoto allowed two unearned runs in six and two thirds over his last six starts. So this is since August 31st. Yamamoto has allowed three earned runs in 40 innings, three earned in 40 innings, striking out 53. The opposition is batting 110 against him over that span. Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America. Now it's good that he's pitching that well because in two postseason games, the Dodgers bullpen is thrown four and a third. That's fewest of any team in the playoffs. That's really good news because over that time period four and a third, they've allowed 12 baserunners, five hits, seven walks. In the era is a 10.

Peter King (4:47)

Of the day.

Caller (4:47)

Start of the day, start of the.

Dan (4:50)

Day, start of the day.

Snacks (4:53)

This is the start out of the.

Dan (4:54)

Day and that's why he probably came back in for an extra inning. There is take away some of the stress or the risk with that bullpen. In the three previous seasons since the current format was introduced, only two of the 12 wild card series had gone three games this season. Today you're going to have three of the four series go the distance. It's fun. It's a game seven feel. It's a winner. Go home and it's game three. I was looking at the Dodger lineup, and you start to look at. Mookie Betts won an MVP. Freddie Freeman, an MVP. Ohtani's got three MVPs. Clayton Kershaw has an MVP. So that's four players, six MVP totals. And I started to think, let's look at other lineups here, of how many MVPs have been in a lineup in baseball history? Now, the Yankees. This year's Yankees have four players who have won MVPs. Four MVPs total. Now, Goldschmidt didn't win his MVP with the Yankees, and Cody Bellinger didn't win his MVP with them. Giancarlo Stanton didn't win his MVP. So it's Aaron Judge. The Dodgers in 2024. Kershaw, Otani, Freddie Freeman and Mookie. The Dodgers in 2022. Bets. Freeman, Kershaw, Bellinger. 1996 Red Sox. Canseco Clemens, Mo Vaughan, and Andre Dawson. But how many. How many MVPs? Canseco didn't win his MVP there. Dawson didn't win his MVP there. Clemens won his MVP there. Did Mo Vaughan win his MVP there? I believe. Okay, the Angels in 1982. Rod Carew, Don Baylor, Fred Lynn, and Reggie Jackson. But Freddie won it with the Red Sox. Karoo did. Did Rod win it with the Angels or the Twins? Did Reggie win the MVP with the Angels or the A's? The A's. A's. Okay. See, that's the difference here. I'm. I'm looking at a team that won the MVP on those teams. The Reds. Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Joe Foster, George Foster, Pete Rose. They won their MVPs with the Reds. Yes, Marvin.

Marvin (7:18)

So I don't think you can count this year's Dodgers because Mookie won in Boston.

Dan (7:22)

Yeah. Yeah. Still impressive, though, to have MVPs in the lineup.

Marvin (7:30)

Oh, it's incredible.

Dan (7:31)

Yeah. I still look at that 78 Reds team, you know, bench, Morgan, Foster and rose, and all four of those won MVPs with the Reds. Greatest National League lineup in history, in my opinion. Yes.

Marvin (7:43)

Mark, I'm asking. I'm legit asking, okay. For the fans of Cincinnati, that watch, that team. Do you think they should have won?

Dan (7:50)

Yes.

Snacks (7:51)

More.

Dan (7:51)

Yes. Yeah. You know, they faced Brooks Robinson in the Orioles in 1970, but that 70 Orioles team had four 20 game winners. Oakland was just better. When they faced Oakland, they were. They were better. They beat the Red Sox, one of the great World Series of all time. Then they beat. They swept The Yankees, they embarrassed the Yankees. They probably should have won two more out of that. But I'm going to be fair to Baltimore, it was a great lineup, pitching, hitting, defense. And Oakland just had. They had the Reds numbers. Even the Mets, when they play in the playoffs, seem to have the Reds numbers. But those, that lineup, I put that, that National League against anybody, that lineup against any National League lineup. Pitching staff wasn't great. Had a Hall of Fame manager and Spark Anderson. But when you talk about, you know, you had bench, you had Perez, Morgan, Concepcion. To me, as a Hall of Famer, Pete Rose, George Foster, Cesar Geronimo, one of the best defensive players in the game, Ken Griffey Jr. Then you had George Foster, who came in and he had 50 home runs. Back when people weren't hitting 50 home runs. That was a power, power, powerful uniform team. Danny Dreeson was on the bench. I mean, they, they had a really good, good team. Yeah. Paulie.

Paulie (9:09)

I'm looking at a couple other lineups in somewhat recent history that had three killers that were back to, back to back. The 1996 Mariners, Ken Griffey Jr. Jay Buhner and a rod. 49 homers, 44 homers and 36 homers in the 96 season. That's a nice lineup.

Dan (9:25)

And, and The Dodgers have 1, 1, 2, 3. Like, that's what's so impressive, is you got MVP, MVP, MVP. And the fact that you got Ohtani leading off. See, that's what makes it so difficult for a pitching staff or a pitcher. Your first batter is Ohtani. You don't get to ease into the lineup. You know, you might have a guy who's a leadoff guy who gets on base and maybe steals. I mean, that's the way it used to be. Now it's, he's here. And can you imagine? You're gearing up for your start. You're spending four days to get ready. You're doing everything. You're checking out scouting report, you're down there long throwing, and then you got your bullpen session. Then you're ready to go. And all of a sudden your teammates come on, let's go where it's going. And Ohtani gets to the plate, and it's just like that high pressure right.

Peter King (10:15)

Out of the gate.

Dan (10:17)

Like, you know, and pitchers have to kind of that the mound is always different than the mound in the bullpen. And it's, it's just a different feel and all of that. And you're trying to settle in, and all of a sudden that's why Ricky Henderson. Oh, I think he let off 79 games with home runs. Something incredible. Just imagine you start the game and it's like, damn it, he did it the best. And you go in there saying, I'm not going to give him something to hit, you know, I'd rather walk him than have him, you know, take me deep. Yeah, Marvin.

Marvin (10:54)

Sorry, I don't want to get on the Ricky topic, but I can't help it. Shouldn't. Shouldn't he be considered maybe the greatest player ever?

Dan (11:00)

No.

Tony (11:01)

Thank you.

Dan (11:02)

Thank you, Marvin. Yes. No. No, no, no. What?

Marvin (11:06)

I mean, you said no a little bit too quick.

Dan (11:08)

Well, he didn't have the batting average and he wasn't a great fielder. What? He was a disruptor as. As good, if not better than anybody in modern baseball history. When he got on people, they got out of their comfort zone to be like, I'm going to throw over, throw over. Hey, throw fastballs because I want to make sure I throw them out. He was the great disruptor. Yeah. Pauling.

Paulie (11:35)

I'm looking at the first decade of Rickey Henderson's career and it's almost like Lawrence Taylor, he was impossible to deal with. A base hit became a double automatically his first few years. I mean, he was stealing 100 bases repeatedly and he was hitting.310. 320, 315 the first 10 years or something.

Dan (11:54)

Yeah, well, maybe I'm not being fair. What was his lifetime average?

Paulie (11:57)

Lifetime average? Remember he played a lot of later years where it went down, but lifetime.279.

Dan (12:02)

Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, but he got on base. He had power.

Marvin (12:08)

Yes, Marv, but when we talk about the greatest players like Bonds and Babe Ruth, we don't ever bring up how great of a defensive player they were.

Dan (12:16)

If you are a great defensive player, it should be brought up, but we don't. Well, no, I do. Like Mike Schmidt was an all timer at third base. George Brett was an unbelievable feeler. Joe Morgan was a great Davey Concepcion. Part of the reason why he should be on the hall of Fame is he revolutionized the position on Aster turf. Johnny Bench. That's why he's the greatest catcher in history. In my opinion, offensively great, but defensively, you know, he was able to handle a pitching staff and he didn't run on him. I. So I think, I think if you're really good, then it should be part of your resume. I guarant judge to me is not a good fielder. He's just not. I mean, he's serviceable out there. He's better than J. G Carlo Stanton, but then I am. Yes, Seaton. And I think that sort of like the defensive part for Barry Bonds splits into young Bonds, old Bonds too, that young Bonds had a run of like how many Golden Gloves in a row? You know, he just didn't have a golden arm because he couldn't throw out Sid Bream from left field, short left field in the playoffs and he couldn't throw him out. Yeah, Bonds had range, but he didn't have an arm. His dad had a better arm than him.

Paulie (13:28)

Yeah, Paulie, I think two things hurt. Ricky Henderson, he's clearly an all time great, but the second half, a lot.

Dan (13:34)

Of, A lot of teams.

Paulie (13:35)

Yes, the second half of career he was a mercenary. He went from team to team and also he's almost like a character of the game. And the character of Rickey Henderson is bigger than the player of Ricky Henderson. And I don't know if you compare it, but like I think Charles Barkley is underrated because he's such a character and a personality and his career doesn't get the do. And Rickey Henderson's first from, from 20 to 33. He was lights out.

Dan (14:00)

Yeah, great player. You, you. Whenever he got up or got on, then he, he made it interesting. But that's when the stolen base meant something, you know, that teams really cared about it. Now it's coming back a little bit, but there is nobody that you go, oh boy, he's on. Because Ricky, if he was on first, he was going to end up on third. You could have a sack fly and he's going to score. Yes, Marv.

Marvin (14:25)

And it's crazy because guess who's next? Maguire and Canseco. Like that lineup is. Is that lineup underrated?

Dan (14:32)

That was a great lineup. Great, great lineup. But you know, that's part of the problem of being artificially inflated where you might not give them credit, but then do they deserve credit? You know, I saw a picture of McGuire when he was. He had to be a rookie and he was so lean, he. But he did hit like 49 home runs back then when he looked like that. Chris in Syracuse. Hi, Chris. What's on your mind today?

Caller (15:05)

Hey, Danny, I got a couple things for you. You guys were talking Chris Carter, that flakes got him for a hundred bucks off waivers from the Eagles. And I think another reason the Reds didn't win World Series every year, they had to win the division to get in. And the Dodgers were so good, the Reds would win close to 100 games and they wouldn't make it. And off of Fritzi being off for the Jewish holiday got me thinking about Sandy Koufax who missed a World Series start, I think because of the same holiday. And I think it was Don Drysdale was a rookie and he got the start for that game and he was interviewing, he said he went like two and a third and he got shelled. And as the manager took the ball from him as he was walking back to the dugout, he turned and said, hey, Skip, I bet you wish I were Jewish.

Dan (15:48)

Thank you, Chris. So Fritzi is Sandy Koufax and Dylan is Don Drysdale. I'm fine with being Drysdale hall of Famer. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not fine with Fritzi being Sandy Koufax, though. That seems extreme. But they are left handed and Jewish and that's where the similarities end. Sam in St. Louis. Hi, Sam, what's on your mind?

Caller (16:16)

Yeah, Dan, I was calling about a lineup from three years ago that potentially has four hall of Famers on it. Between them they have 36 All Star appearances, 25 Gold Gloves and four MVP awards. And that lineup would be the St. Louis Cardinals with Molina, Pujols, Arenado and Goldschmidt.

Dan (16:37)

Yeah, that's a really good lineup. Looks like Pools is going to get the Angels managerial job. How about that? He's done some managing, I think. I don't know if he's done it in winter ball, but he's done some managing and looks like Artie Moreno is going to bring him in. Yeah, Paul Pujols is still going to.

Paulie (17:00)

Get paid by the Angels.

Dan (17:00)

Yeah, he's getting paid by them for.

Paulie (17:02)

A long time now. Let's keep it going.

Dan (17:04)

Geez. I don't know if he's. He's been getting paid by them, but yeah, he's going to make more money. Let's see Antoine in Fort Lauderdale. Hey, Antoine, what's on your mind?

Caller (17:18)

Hey, what's up?

Dan (17:19)

DP 561 8.

Caller (17:22)

First time, long time. Just a quick clarification, being a big Hurricane fan, Cam Ward actually holds the record for the most touchdowns in college football. 158. And how you guys are going to.

Peter King (17:34)

Sleep on your boy Steve Young, he.

Caller (17:36)

Was also in the 84 supplemental draft.

Dan (17:39)

All right, well, thank you. Yeah, but he went to the USFL and then he was in the supplemental draft. I believe that's why.

Paulie (17:47)

Yes, Paulie, the NCAA does not give Cam Ward credit for the year he was at Incarnate Word. So he is not in there. I think he doesn't get it officially with the NCA. Dylan Gabriel and Case Keenum both have 155 touchdowns in college.

Dan (18:01)

Let's take a break. Peter King, hall of Famer. He'll join us. We'll talk to him. He sent me a text yesterday out of nowhere saying, why am I the only person who is fine with a tie in overtime? I said, all right, Pete, how about joining us on Thursday? He'll join us next year on the Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9:00am Eastern, 6:00am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio Apple.

Greg Rosenthal (18:28)

Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.

Caller (18:30)

Join me every weekday morning on my.

Dan (18:32)

Podcast, Straight fire with Jason McIntyre.

Greg Rosenthal (18:35)

This isn't your typical sports pod, pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day.

Dan (18:40)

Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on.

Greg Rosenthal (18:43)

All the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats.

Dan (18:45)

To help you win big at the.

Greg Rosenthal (18:47)

Sportsbook, and all the best guess.

Caller (18:49)

Do yourself a favor and listen to.

Greg Rosenthal (18:50)

Straight fire with Jason McIntyre on the.

Dan (18:53)

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It's Miller Time. What's that mean to you? It can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. For me, it's the end of the show, end of the week on Friday. Papa Miller Lite. And they've been doing it for 50 years. Cheers to Miller Lite, the great taste of light beer. For people who Love beer since 1975, it's a perfect time to celebrate game day with friends and family and great tasting light beer. It's Miller Time. It always is cold. You put it in the glass, you take that first sip and you go Weekend. It's a taste you can depend on. A great beer trusted by beer lovers for 50 years. Simply put, it just tastes different. It tastes great. 96 calories, just 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Miller Time's always a good time. It's a great time. Iconic 50 years later. Miller Light. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com Patrick you'll find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

Snacks (20:10)

What's up everybody? This is snacks from the Trap Nurse podcast and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long.

Tony (20:16)

Kicking off this month, I'll be bringing.

Dan (20:18)

You all my greatest fear inducing horror games.

Tony (20:21)

From Resident Evil to Solid Hill.

Dan (20:23)

Me and Tony bringing backfire team on.

Tony (20:25)

Left 4 Dead 2 and we just.

Dan (20:26)

Gonna be going over some of the greats.

Snacks (20:28)

Also in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figure out why black people always gotta die first.

Tony (20:35)

The umbral reliquary invites any and all fooling brave enough to peruse its mini curiosities. But take it all sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly with a full episode read and a commentary special.

Snacks (20:54)

And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Royale. Jason versus Freddy, Michael Myers versus the Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster. October. We're doing it Halloween style. Listen to the Trap Nurse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, this is Matt Jones, I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week that is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts Pretzel?

Dan (21:30)

That was my other big takeaway from that game.

Snacks (21:32)

What was that?

Dan (21:32)

Looks like something that should not be sold.

Snacks (21:35)

Oh my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that?

Dan (21:37)

Yes.

Snacks (21:38)

Might want to go back to the Colt Stadium.

Dan (21:40)

Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that.

Snacks (21:41)

Yeah, I thought the shape we had.

Dan (21:43)

With pretzels was working pretty well. It's worked for generations.

Snacks (21:46)

We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete.

Dan (21:53)

Carroll is at his age.

Snacks (21:54)

He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry.

Dan (21:58)

I wouldn't fight him.

Snacks (22:00)

I would listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

Dan (22:13)

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football podcast.

Ty (22:19)

College football season is here and you know what that means.

Dan (22:25)

Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween. Uh huh.

Ty (22:30)

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback.

Dan (22:37)

Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.

Ty (22:43)

Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.

Dan (23:00)

We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it.

Ty (23:04)

Listen to the solid verbal college football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Nicole Garcia (23:13)

It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia, and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we aim to explore that culture.

Dan (23:22)

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric, that this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

Nicole Garcia (23:37)

That's Sierra Teller Ornelas, who, with Rutherford Falls, became the first Native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories such as the creation of the first Native Comic Con or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Dan (24:13)

We were talking about great lineups in baseball history and how many teams have MVPs in their lineup. You, of course, have Shoehei Ohtani, Freddie Freeman, and Mookie Betts with the Dodgers. We talked about the Big Red Machine because those guys won their MVPs with the Reds. When you had Rose and Morgan and Bench and Foster. Peter King, who covered the Reds, I believe, for a little while in Cincinnati, Longtime NFL writer. Where do you rank the Big Red Machine as far as lineups of all time.

Peter King (24:47)

Dan? It's got to be in the top five. Clearly. I think it's hard because you have to rank lineups as, you know, in their era. So I don't know how a lineup could be much better or any better than what the Yankees put on the field with Garrigan Ruth. But the difference with this Reds lineup is that, you know, look, a lot of times, obviously the pitchers still hit. You have Davey Concepcion batting eighth, you know, sometimes, maybe Caesar Geronimo. But I mean, you know, they, they had an all star batting 8th a lot of times. And I, I don't know, to me, I thought it was so dangerous and, and that was such a potent group. And you're right, I covered them on and off for four years in the late 70s and early 80s as an intern. And then, I mean, I actually went on the road with the Reds three times in 80, 81 and 82. And so I got to know those guys. I got to know Johnny Bench, got to know Tom Seaver some, and they were. They were totally fearless. That's the thing I loved about him. You know, I. I just love the fact that Tony Perez, Concepcion. Hey, bring it on. We love it.

Dan (26:14)

You know, we were been talking about Shohei Ohtani, that he has this added advantage that he's able to pitch. So no matter what you do, hitting, he's going to. He's going to be a great hitter, but he always has that. And I'm wondering if that translates to the NFL, that Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have the added element of running as well as being really good passers and how that gives them. Does that give them a little bit more of a head start when it comes to MVPs?

Peter King (26:43)

Yeah. I mean, Shohei Ohtani, to me, is the guy in the NFL who'd be like him, maybe is Travis Hunter at some point, because you've always had mobile quarterbacks. I mean, you know, he had Michael Vick running through and Colin Kaepernick running for 100 yards in playoff games. I was at Lambeau field in, I think, 02 when Michael Vick came in and beat far of 27 to 7 in the snow. And he did it with his legs just as much as his arm. So that has existed. Ohtani is so special because he's not just a pitcher. I mean, he might be at his pee. I mean, he might be Garrett Crochet. I mean, hey, Garrett Crochet might be Shohei. I mean, because I don't want. I don't want to demean Shohei Ohtani because, man, he's great. When I'm really looking forward next year, I hope that we could see him pitch seven or eight innings every fifth day. I hope. I have no idea what his body can take, but, man, what a treat it is to watch him play.

Dan (27:58)

All right, so I get a random text from you yesterday saying basically, am I the only guy who is affiliated with football who is okay with a tie in overtime?

Peter King (28:09)

I actually like ties. I mean, the biggest reason. Dan, I'll take you back to 2021. There was one tie in the NFL that season. Pittsburgh tied Detroit, 16 all. Okay, that was. You know, that was. I mean, Detroit either was winless at the time or whatever. They were a bad team at that time, but there was a tie 16, 16. At the end of the year, the Steelers record was 9, 7 and 1. Okay. And that season, there were three teams in the AFC that were 9 and 8, the Chargers, the Colts and the Dolphins. So just imagine, and the Lions had a field goal in overtime that they missed. So imagine if the Steelers, if that field goal had been good and the Steelers would have lost. I don't know who would have won the tiebreaker, but it would have been a four team tiebreaker. A tie basically eliminates a tie at the end of the season. You know, you're either north of the Mason Dixon line or south of it, but it eliminates it. And plus, here's the other thing, Dan. That game the other night was incredibly fun. And at the end of it now, if you're, if you're a fan of one of the two teams, you know, Green Bay or Dallas, maybe you're ticked off that you. And if you're a player, you're ticked off that you got a tie. I mean, how can a fan just watching at home, you see the bizarre end the clock stop with 1 second left and they're able to kick a field goal. How can you be upset at that? I mean, it was fun. It was scintillating the whole time. So I don't know. I mean, I bet that was a lot more fun than the 16, 16 tie between Pittsburgh and Detroit. That was a fantastic football game.

Dan (30:10)

Yeah, it was a great meal, but I got to have dessert in coffee. And when we didn't get that, I want to have, I like to have, you know, a winner and a loser. That's why we play these games to win or lose.

Peter King (30:26)

But, but, but it's so unique. It's so, I mean, you know, there's, they don't, There isn't even on average one tie per season. I think it's kind of cool. My, My grandson Freddie, who's a huge football fan, he's, he's seven years old, about to turn eight, and he watches all the games. And he got up Monday morning to get ready for school. And you know, my daughter said, hey, there was a tie last night. Green Bay in Dallas. A tie. How does that happen? I can't believe it. A tie. So I don't know. I think once in a while different is fun.

Dan (31:05)

If I task you with make overtime how you would want to make it, let's say it's different than what it is now is how would you improve overtime?

Peter King (31:15)

Well, you know, the selfish person in me would want them to just play sudden death. Don't have a clock in overtime. The problem with that is, and I very much empathize with the players. I am, I was dead set against a 17th game. I am deader set against an 18th game. It's just not fair to these players. It isn't. You're. You're adding on 6% more snaps for a starting player and saying, oh, there's not any more injury risk. Of course there is. So I understand why you don't want to add more snaps to overtime. Selfishly, I would like to see it go until it ends. But I don't think right now, in my opinion anyway, that there's better system than this system. That there is. The only way you could do it differently is to have first score wins, which I think is eminently unfair.

Dan (32:11)

I'm wondering if the tush push is esthetically not pleasing. Seeing kickers kick all these field goals is not aesthetically pleasing either, in my opinion. Does the NFL, how much of it should they be worried about the glut of kickers being so great at what they do?

Peter King (32:32)

I would be because they didn't create this game to have. I mean, let's just say, Dan, that the, that you're playing the Dallas Cowboys and your kicker skitters one out of bounds and you get the ball. You know, the Cowboys get the ball at their own 40 yard line. Think about it. They need 10 yards to get Brandon Aubrey in field goal. I, it's. And again, let's say they get it at the run it back to the 28. You know, they only need 22, 23 yards to get him in field goal range and not just a maybe field goal. He is likely to make a 66, 67 yard field goal. You know, in, in, in weatherless conditions. I think the one thing the NFL has to look at and you know, when I don't really cover this, obviously now I'm retired, but I, I've been reading about how, you know, some of the balls that get broken in the kicking, the cables, they get broken in better than they did before and they're going to have to look at that to see if that is a big factor because kicking a well worn football is much better for a kicker than kicking a football right out of the box.

Dan (33:53)

I know you voted for the hall of Fame. For decades there's been a lot of conversation about Russell Wilson. Can you play your way out of the hall of Fame? Now, I don't know if you had Russ in the hall of Fame in your opinion, but have players played their way out of the hall of Fame?

Peter King (34:10)

I think so. And I think coaches can coach their way out of the hall of Fame. You got to consider a guy's entire career. I think Russell Wilson was a borderline quarterback for the hall of Fame. We have to remember a few things right now about the quarterback position. Look at the incredible glut of strong quarterback candidates for the hall of Fame. I mean, I think Eli Manning is a strong candidate. Matthew Stafford is going to be a strong candidate. Matt Ryan is a candidate. You've got a lot of people who are candidates who've put up really, really good numbers. What differentiates you? And now we have seen Russell Wilson be disappointing in Denver, kind of get run out of Pittsburgh. When they needed a veteran, they didn't choose to resign him. And he has, you know, two out of three ignominious weeks with the Giants and loses his job. It's. It all has to factor in, Dan. It would, you know, I think he. And again, we'll see. I think he's got an uphill fight, but then again, his career's not over.

Dan (35:22)

Yeah, I think Russ was far more consistent than eli. You have 10 Pro Bowls back when it did mean something to be a Pro bowl player.

Peter King (35:29)

I'm not sure it did mean something in 20, 10 years ago, Dan. I don't think the Pro bowl has meant anything in 25 years.

Dan (35:39)

Okay. But he did. He was a better. He's a better regular season quarterback. His stats aren't. It's not even close. Eli is an inch away from having one super bowl with David Tyrese catch and Russell is an inch away with Malcolm Butler from having two Super Bowls. Blah, blah, blah.

Peter King (36:00)

You know, so what? I don't care. Could we go back to the championship game in 1958 and say, well, what if Johnny Unitis hadn't made such and such a pass, a miracle catch by whoever, Raymond Barry.

Dan (36:16)

Yeah.

Peter King (36:17)

You can't. You can't act that way in my opinion. I don't think.

Dan (36:21)

But we're holding it against him because he lost that Super Bowl. If you win two Super Bowls and you have his resume, he's a Hall of Famer.

Peter King (36:28)

Okay, but Dan, Eli Manning beat the best quarterback head to head in the Super Bowl. Best quarterback of all time twice. Head to head. He beat the best coach of this era head to head in the super bowl twice. I don't care what his stats were. I don't care numbers. And I understand. I'm not saying he's a walk in hall of Famer, but what I'm saying is at the biggest moments, how about Eli Manning going into green Bay when it's 900 below zero and beating a team that Is used to playing like that in, in that a lot. Beating Brett Favre in overtime and you know, look, I think Eli Manning, I, in my opinion, I vote for Eli Manning and I'll tell you why. Because at the biggest moments of his career, he produced, and you're right, his regular season record, a lot of it is mediocre, even though we put up huge numbers. But I am more of a fan of. Let's not get totally hung up on the numbers, especially because the numbers for quarterbacks now don't mean, is don't mean the same thing as they used to.

Dan (37:47)

Yeah. But I can argue that the defensive line won that super bowl, that first one against Brady. They beat the hell out of him. They dominated that game.

Peter King (37:56)

How about the Joe Namath Super Bowl? Did Matt Snell have a much better game that day than Joe Namath?

Dan (38:03)

Yes. Yeah.

Peter King (38:04)

And did, and did the jets defense totally snuff out the, the vaunted Colts offense? Yes.

Dan (38:13)

Yeah.

Peter King (38:14)

Yes. But Joe Namath was drafted by the New York jets was, you know, chose the AFL over the NFL and he had the signature, one of the great wins in history. And he predicted it was going to happen. And, and so I understand what you're.

Dan (38:35)

Saying, but that's not enough to put him in the hall of Fame. I don't think Namath had Hall of Fame numbers. He didn't.

Peter King (38:41)

That doesn't matter. He had hall of Fame impact. You had a Hall of Fame impact. Huge, huge impact.

Dan (38:48)

Oh, I understand the aura and I.

Peter King (38:51)

Think it's, it's more. I, I'm not one of these guys. I just. Of course you look at his numbers, you look at Ken Stabler's numbers, you know, you're going to say, geez, that's fairly mediocre. You're judging it on a different thing. How about Joe namath thrown for 4,000 yards in a 14 game season. That is incredible in those days. So I'm only saying. I'm not. I don't think you can say that. Well, Joe Namath didn't have hall of Fame numbers. No crap, Sherlock. I see the numbers too, but he had hall of Fame impact.

Dan (39:28)

Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback.

Peter King (39:31)

Okay? I don't care. Did he have, did he, did he do what Joe Namath did?

Dan (39:36)

Yeah, yeah, he beat. He won the Super Bowl.

Peter King (39:39)

He didn't do, he didn't guarantee 60s.

Dan (39:42)

He didn't.

Peter King (39:43)

No one, no one in the 60s did what Joe Namath did for the.

Dan (39:47)

Sport of pro football. No one.

Peter King (39:50)

No one. And so in my opinion, he absolutely belongs in the hall of Fame, was Joe. Was Len Dawson a better quarterback? Was Darryl lamonica? Was that. You know, I'm not. I don't really care. I mean, I just don't care.

Dan (40:05)

I like you fired up. Do you want to get.

Peter King (40:10)

All right, Dan, who do you. Dan, who do you like tonight with.

Dan (40:13)

The Red Sox and the Yankees?

Peter King (40:14)

Yeah, Red Sox, Yanks.

Dan (40:15)

Well, since I'm talking to you, I'll take the Red Sox.

Peter King (40:21)

No, I mean, hey, look, they're relying on a kid who started the year in a ball, right?

Dan (40:27)

Both of these starters, I don't think they shave. They're, they're all. They're like 24 years. Whatever happened to deep pitching staffs?

Peter King (40:35)

Yeah, well, starters, the whole thing has changed. It's a bullpen game. I know it's a bullpen game. And I'll tell you what, these two games, I don't know. I got to tell you something. Both these teams, I don't know how they get to the park and don't just pour themselves into their chair and say, geez, I need a nap. I mean, these games, just to watch them, have taken a ton out. I mean, they've, they've really been fun. This has been good for baseball.

Dan (41:05)

What were you doing 47 years ago?

Peter King (41:08)

47 years ago today?

Dan (41:10)

Yes.

Peter King (41:10)

I was with my good friend Tony Grossi of the Post, the student newspaper at Ohio University. We skipped class that day, and at 2 o' clock in the afternoon, we walked into the Union, the nice little bar on campus, and we asked the guy to put it on, I think abc, right? Put the TV on abc. And we watched the Yankees and Bucky Bleeping Dental win that game. And, and the class, we skipped news writing and editing. We were seniors. The professor of the class came in midway through the game at the end of the class, and he just said, yeah, you guys are in trouble. But he knew that we were going to be there and we watched the game. It was a lot of fun.

Dan (42:04)

Don't be a stranger, Pete. You know, something bothers you, get you fired up, you let me know.

Peter King (42:09)

Thank you, Dan. Really appreciate you reaching out.

Dan (42:11)

That's Peter King, hall of Fame NFL writer. Yeah, Pete said to me yesterday, I'm fine with a tie in overtime and asked me what I was doing 47 years ago. And I said, all right, I can do that. Always great to hear from him. We'll take a break. More phone calls coming up. Al Michaels will join us next hour. Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

Snacks (42:41)

What's up everybody? This is Snax from the Trap Nerds podcast and we're bringing you the horror every week all October long.

Tony (42:47)

Kicking off this month, I'll be bringing.

Dan (42:49)

You all my greatest fear inducing horror.

Tony (42:52)

Games from Resident Evil to Silent Hill.

Dan (42:54)

Me and Tony bringing backfireteam on Left 4 Dead 2 and we just gonna be going over some of the greats.

Snacks (42:59)

Also in October, we'll be talking about our favorite horror, a Halloween movie and figure out why black people always gotta die first.

Tony (43:06)

The Umbral reliquary invites any and all foolish brave enough to peruse its many curiosities. But take it all sales are final. Weekly horror side quests written and narrated by yours truly with a full episode read and a commentary special.

Snacks (43:25)

And we will cap it off with Horror Movie Battle Royale. Jason versus Freddy. Michael Myers versus the Alien Thing with the Little Tongue Monster. October. We're doing it. Hallo. Listen to the Trapper Nurse podcast from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week that is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel?

Dan (44:01)

That was my other big takeaway from that game.

Snacks (44:03)

What was that?

Dan (44:04)

Looks like something that should not be sold.

Snacks (44:05)

Oh my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. Sold that.

Dan (44:08)

Yes.

Snacks (44:09)

Might want to go back to the Colts stadium.

Dan (44:11)

Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that.

Snacks (44:12)

Yeah, I thought the shape we had.

Dan (44:14)

With pretzels was working pretty well for generations.

Snacks (44:17)

We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete.

Dan (44:24)

Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73.

Snacks (44:26)

He is a young 73. He is spry. I wouldn't fight him. I would Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Dan (44:44)

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal college football podcast.

Ty (44:50)

College football season is here and you know what that means.

Dan (44:56)

Your team is going to break your heart three times. Probably before Halloween. Uh huh.

Ty (45:01)

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback.

Dan (45:08)

Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.

Ty (45:14)

Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.

Dan (45:31)

We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it.

Ty (45:35)

Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Nicole Garcia (45:44)

It may look different, but Native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges we aim to explore that culture.

Dan (45:53)

It was a huge honor to become a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric. That this is something we've been doing for hundreds of years. You carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.

Nicole Garcia (46:07)

That's Sierra Teller Ornelas, who with Rutherford Falls became the first Native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage, Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories, such as the creation of the first Native comic or the importance of reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage, Burn bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Tony (46:45)

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation.

Dan (46:50)

About exploring human potential.

Tony (46:53)

I was going to schools to try to te kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it. If it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to just say like, like you go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress. Seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walking the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.

Dan (47:37)

Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The great Al Michaels in a half hour from now. He's got the game tonight. The Niners against the Rams. The Niners getting eight and a half for entertainment purposes only. Gambling podcast after the show available@danpatrick.com We have Dylan in for Fritzi today and he'll be on the gambling podcast with Shane Irving. And of course, Bad Larry. Still driving that trusty old ride. Keep it looking sharp with Mako. From dents to dings to faded paint, they've literally got you covered. Get a free estimate today. Oh, better get Mako Michael in Syracuse. Hey, Mike, thanks for holding. What's on your mind today?

Caller (48:21)

Hey, Dan. 239.9. How are you?

Dan (48:24)

Good.

Caller (48:26)

Hey, listen, earlier you guys were talking about Ricky Henderson about the best of all time. So my question to you is as a player, strictly as a player, my all time favorite player is Pete Rhodes. I don't think there's no question that Pete Rose is better than Ricky Henderson.

Peter King (48:43)

Your comments different.

Dan (48:45)

But I can't argue with Petey won more games than anybody in history of the game. I think he was an all star at five different positions. I don't think anybody in baseball history has been in. You'd have to check that. But I think Pete was an all star at five different positions. Let here's how I would settle this. You take Pete, I'll take Ricky. If you took Ricky, I'd take Pete and I'd be fine with that, Larry. And I don't know where that exact that location is. Can you help me with that, Larry?

Caller (49:21)

Yeah. I'm in Antalya, Turkey.

Dan (49:23)

Oh, you're in Turkey.

Caller (49:26)

Yeah.

Dan (49:26)

Oh, okay.

Caller (49:28)

You're big over here.

Dan (49:29)

Oh, okay. I can't walk the streets of Turkey, but glad. Glad to have you join us, Larry.

Caller (49:37)

Hey. 5 11, 175. Thanks for taking my call.

Dan (49:39)

Yeah.

Caller (49:42)

Question, Dan. How long do you think that this money can last in pro sports and amateur sports for that matter? Nil money. WNBA contracts, NBA guys getting 30, 40, $50 million a year. Where does the money end? When does it dry up?

Dan (49:56)

Well, I don't know if there is a breaking point. It feels like. And thank you, Larry. It feels like there should be, but I remember when athletes were making a million dollars and then it was Ricky Henderson and I think Nolan ryan, they're making $3 million. Like there were certain times when you would hear the amount and now I'm just numb to it. Nil what they get. I think there's always going to be a lot of influx of money that you have in college football. Until they get it professionalized, I think you're still going to have the. There's going to be a few people making a lot of money there, but the NBA is crazy. In five years, you're probably going to have somebody making $100 million a season because it has to go to somebody. Because of the new TV deals. There's a financial pie. You split up and it can only go to the players. Somebody's going to make $100 million. It'll either be Shay Gilgis or Luka Doncic. They're going to make $100 million. Maybe Wembanyama. Yes, Marv.

Marvin (51:04)

Trey Henderson makes about $11 million a year less than Isaiah Hartenstein to set picks in rebound and play hard.

Dan (51:14)

All right. Better defensive end. Oh.

Marvin (51:18)

Hardenstein.

Paulie (51:20)

More gritty, more gutty.

Dan (51:24)

Dave in New York. Hi, Dave. What's on your mind? Hey, Dave. I guess nothing's on your mind. John Fox in Atlanta. Hi, John.

Caller (51:39)

Hey, buddy. 63190 Quick question. Notre Dame, when is the madness going to end that they don't get to play a conference championship? Last year they got to sit back. They watched my. My quarterback Carson get hurt and his SEC championship. They sat on the couch, had an easy playoff game. How does this keep happening? I mean, ACC is getting stronger. They eat like a Miami and then they can watch Miami lose in a championship and then jump them and get in the playoffs.

Dan (52:11)

8. Notre Dame's good TV. Never lose sight of that NBC partnership they're in. You know, this is the entertainment business. Having Notre Dame there is good for ratings, whether you're rooting for them or against them. That's just the fact, you know, whether you like it or not, they have positioned themselves in a unbelievable way that if they go 10 and 2, they're going to make the playoffs. And now we've expanded the playoffs. Now it's almost like we're going to take conference winners and of course we're going to take Notre Dame.

Marvin (52:45)

Yes, Marv, doesn't Notre Dame joining a conference take away the mystique of being Notre Dame?

Dan (52:51)

Well, if I'm Notre Dame, I don't join a conference.

Marvin (52:55)

You know, you just by brand alone. Yeah, like we're not in any conference. We're Notre Dame.

Dan (52:59)

I don't have to share anything. If I go to a conference, I get to share. You know, Clemson wants out of the acc. If I'm Notre Dame, why do I want in? The accident Unless you go, well, we get an automatic birth. If we make we win the playoffs or conference championship, Notre Dame's going to be in it. It would be really, really, really rare. I'd be really, really surprised in the next 10 years if Notre Dame is not in the playoffs. 10 years. Because I think they want Notre Dame in the playoffs. Notre Dame's a sure thing of tune in factor. Great atmosphere, great history, and you either love them or you hate them.

Marvin (53:39)

Yes, Marv, they were ranked at 02.

Dan (53:41)

I know. Yeah. Nobody else. Owen 2 was ranked. When are we out at Notre Dame? Is that in three weeks? What, today? Two weeks today. Is that right, Marvin?

Marvin (53:55)

We leave on the 14th.

Dan (53:56)

Whoa. So two weeks from today, we will be there? Yes. Is that right? Yes, actually it Al Michael set to join us final hour Dan and the Dan and Stan Patrick Show.

Snacks (54:07)

What's up everybody? It's snacks from the Trap Nerds. All October long, we're bringing you the Horror Boog.

Dan (54:13)

We kicking off this month with some of my best horror games to keep you terrified.

Snacks (54:17)

Then we'll be talking about our favorite horror and Halloween movies and figuring out why black people always die first.

Tony (54:22)

And it's the return of Tony's horror show side Quest, written and narrated by yours truly. We'll also be doing a a full episode reading with commentary.

Snacks (54:30)

And we'll cap it off with a horror movie battle royale. Open your free AHA Radio app and search Trap Nerds podcast and listen now. Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel?

Dan (54:50)

That was my other big takeaway from that game.

Snacks (54:51)

What was that? Oh, my God. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're gonna get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Marvin (55:11)

I love that you created this system that revolves around you, creating pockets of peace. World Mental health day is around the corner. And on my podcast, just healing with Dr. J, I dive into what it really means to care for your mind, body and spirit. From breaking generational patterns to building emotional.

Nicole Garcia (55:30)

Capacity, I'm going to walk away feeling like, yes, I'm going to continue my healing journey.

Marvin (55:35)

Listen to just heal with Dr. J from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Nicole Garcia (55:44)

Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No thank you. Instead, check out Brown amb. Each week I your host, Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel you, sis. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

Greg Rosenthal (56:15)

The NFL is rolling. That's right, and you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 60. It's in the name NFL Daily so you'll have fresh content in your feed all season long. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, in an all star cast of co hosts for previews and recaps of every single game. NFL Daily will keep you up to date with everything you need to know so you can sound smarter than all your friends. Listen to NFL daily on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Snacks (56:44)

No purchase necessary. Void where prohibited. Ends 2 8:26 open to legal residents of the 50 US states and DC 18 and over. For complete detail, how to enter prizes and official rules, visit toyotasgamedaygiveaways.com this is an iHeart podcast.