Hour 2 – Oregon/Indiana Preview, Chris Fowler

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show

Episode: Hour 2 – Oregon/Indiana Preview, Chris Fowler
Date: January 9, 2026
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts and Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dan Patrick Show is a dynamic mix of sports analysis, humor, listener interaction, and insider perspective. The main focus revolves around college football: a recap of the dramatic Miami vs. Ole Miss Fiesta Bowl, anticipation for the Oregon vs. Indiana playoff matchup, and a thoughtful interview with veteran college football commentator Chris Fowler. Other segments include playful banter about movie trailers, debates on what truly defines a "great" athlete, and takes on the state of college football—with plenty of memorable quotes and laughs among the regular crew.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Miami vs. Ole Miss Fiesta Bowl Recap

• Dan and the crew open with reactions to the thrilling Miami win, highlighting Miami's record-breaking 41-minute time of possession, and Michael Irvin's enthusiastic presence on the sideline as Miami's "hype man."
  • (04:30) Dan: "Miami had the ball for 41 minutes. It's the largest time of possession in any college football playoff game in history."
• Paulie brings up the emotional investment displayed by Miami's coaching staff, and the conversation segues into the key moments that defined the game.

Officiating Controversy: The Final Play

• The show polls listeners on whether the last play of the Fiesta Bowl should have been flagged.
• Seaton discusses the inconsistency of referee calls leading up to and during the climactic play:
  • (05:41) Seaton: "You could just feel it, especially in the fourth quarter...man, they're not going to throw the flag on this one and it's going to be like, what the heck?"
• Dan critiques the lack of clarity for players and coaches about what will and won't be penalized:
  • (06:02) Dan: "I want to know how you're calling the game and if you play or you're coaching, you want to know what is going to get called and what's not."

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2. Oregon vs. Indiana Preview

• Indiana is a slight favorite, and the group delves into storylines: Indiana’s physicality vs. Oregon’s finesse, the quarterback matchup, and the impressive turnaround for Indiana.
  • (08:38) Dan shares Brady Quinn’s analysis: "Indiana's physicality probably surprised Oregon, and they won't be surprised, but can they be as physical with Indiana? Indiana, that's a big team, a physical team."
• The conversation highlights Indiana QB Dante Moore's draft prospects, with Dan paraphrasing expert opinions:
  • (08:54) Dan: "Brady...said Dante Moore, if he does come out, has a chance to be the number one player taken...he liked Dante Moore as a prospect better than Fernando Mendoza. I just need to see more games with Dante Moore."

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3. Chris Fowler Interview (21:12–38:05)

Preparation and Surprises in Calling Games

• "Pretty often because college football, Dan, as you know, is often messy. It's not neat, tidy, it's controversial, it's noisy, it's beautiful. And we had all of that in that game last night."
  —(21:45) Chris Fowler on unpredictability in college football broadcasts.
• Fowler recounts missed kicks, dropped interceptions, and the heartbreak for Ole Miss as small moments that culminated in last night’s game drama.

On the Fiesta Bowl Non-Call

• Fowler provides insight into the controversial non-call at game’s end, explaining differences in officiating philosophies across conferences:
  • (23:08) Chris Fowler: "It's tough to know what's going to happen...they call pass interference very differently in different leagues. I had a conversation with the officials on the field...They like to think there's a national standard. I think it's called differently."
  • (25:17) Fowler: "You can make a case that they've thrown a flag...Mutual combat is what [the rules expert] called it...there was pushing and shoving on both sides."
• Dan notes that had the flag been thrown, it would not have been a game-ending penalty, given college football's 15-yard rule.

Indiana’s Historic Turnaround

• The crew reflects on Indiana's rise, with Dan comparing it to the iconic "Hoosiers" story.
  • (28:32) Dan: "It's the greatest turnaround I've seen in this sport...it's not supposed to happen in college football. It never has historically."
• Fowler expands on Coach Signetti's brilliant portal strategy and Indiana’s unorthodox path to the top:
  • (28:32) Fowler: "[Signetti] is a brilliant evaluator of talent...He brought a bunch of key guys from James Madison...I don't know if this is going to happen again in the future either...to do what they've done."

SEC’s Decline in the Playoffs

• Discussion on SEC struggles (1–8 in bowls), and analysis of conference parity and evolving playoff dynamics:
  • (29:41) Fowler: "...it's the third straight year that a SEC team is not going to play in the championship game..."
• Fowler and Dan question the implications of playoff expansion and automatic qualifiers for power conferences.

College Football’s Messy Future

• Discourse about NIL, transfer portal chaos, and the lack of academic enforcement in modern college ball.
  • (32:48) Dan (to Fowler): "It just feels like there are things that make sense that college football should be doing. Simple guardrails here..."
  • (32:48) Fowler: "We are in the Wild west and there's no rules and it's chaos. If people really knew what was going on behind the scenes..."
  • Anecdote: long snappers getting poached with 27 offers.

Should Coach Signetti Try the NFL?

• The hosts debate whether Indiana’s head coach would transition successfully to the NFL, even as Fowler highlights his preference for teaching and the unique challenges of pro locker rooms.
  • (34:53) Dan: "Can you see Signetti trying the NFL?"
  • (35:33) Fowler: "...He seems to love college football. He would not have stayed at a lower division for as long as he did..."

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4. On "Great Stats vs. Great Player" Debate

• Dan distinguishes between stat-stuffers and actual transformative talents, using NBA examples:
  • (16:38) Dan: "I think you can get numbers for a bad team. I don't think that Trey Young is a guy that you go, he can be the difference...I just, I think Trey Young is a curiosity. I don't think that he's a great player."
  • Marvin: "He might not be a winning player. I think that's the difference." (17:46)

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5. Sports Predictions & Listener Calls

• The crew field calls on rankings, officiating, pie-to-the-face bets, and comparisons of current players/coaches to historic icons.
• Wrapping up with their “best week in sports” votes and lively upset predictions for NFL Wild Card weekend:
  • (41:16) Seaton (on Carson Beck): “He was a quarterback that shouldn’t be there led a team that shouldn’t be there to the national championship game. That’s about as good as it gets.”
  • (41:49) Paul (on Trinidad Chambliss): “He became the face of the program. When Kiffin left...he’s now a pretty legit pro prospect.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• (21:45) Chris Fowler:
  “College football…is often messy. It’s not neat, tidy, it’s controversial, it’s noisy, it’s beautiful. And we had all of that in that game last night.”

• (25:17) Chris Fowler:
  “Mutual combat is what [the CFP rules expert] called it. Yes, there was jersey grabbing. But he also was pushing off with the arm to create space before that. You can make a case they’d have thrown a flag…”

• (28:32) Dan Patrick:
  “It’s the greatest turnaround I’ve seen in this sport. You think Hoosiers movie is great—this to me trumps that…”

• (32:48) Chris Fowler:
  “If people really knew what was going on behind the scenes…there’s a long snapper out there…minding his own business…27 phone calls…offering him money. He’s not in the portal at all.”

• (34:07) Chris Fowler:
  “There were dudes with zero point zeros who played—the Blutarski grade point average.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:09–01:43 Morale, food talk, setting the tone
• 04:19–07:00 Discussion of Miami’s win, Michael Irvin’s sideline antics
• 08:38–09:00 Oregon/Indiana preview and analysis
• 10:35–13:14 Animal psychic story—light-hearted moment
• 15:01–16:05 Listener calls, pie-to-the-face bet management
• 16:38–18:11 Great stats vs. being a great player debate
• 21:12–38:05 Chris Fowler interview: Fiesta Bowl recap, Indiana’s rise, officiating, college football’s future
• 40:18–45:04 Callers & crew weigh in on best week in sports, NFL playoff upsets, closing thoughts

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Tone & Style

• The show is conversational, humorous, and insightful, blending serious sports analysis with friendly banter and light self-deprecation. Dan and his team foster an inclusive, energetic atmosphere that invites both in-depth discussion and playful sidebars.
  • (04:10) Marvin (on the movie Primate): “There’s always that neighbor that’s in denial. ‘My pet chimp is always so calm...’”
  • (13:14) Dan (on positivity): “Fernando Mendoza is a great story. We should not take that away from him...”

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Summary

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show delivers a fast-paced, entertaining, and context-rich look at college football's biggest stories ahead of the weekend, most notably Miami's gritty win in the Fiesta Bowl, the unprecedented Indiana success story, and the evolving landscape of the sport. Chris Fowler’s interview stands out for its candor and behind-the-scenes perspective. The episode keeps fans invested with relatable listener calls, fun debates about athletes and upsets, and the signature laid-back camaraderie of Dan and his crew.

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For fans who missed the episode:
You’ll be caught up on the biggest bowl storylines, get expert insight into officiating controversies, and hear why this Indiana season is unlike anything college football has seen. You’ll also chuckle at tales of animal psychics, pie bets, and the running joke of how much a long snapper is worth these days.

Transcript

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[Chris Fowler]

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[Seaton]

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[Dan Patrick]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio. It's hour two on this Friday. Morale is high and so are we. Come on in and stay a while. Fritzy, Seaton, Marv, Paulie, yours truly and the back room guys. Dylan, in the kitchen as we speak. We've got hambone soup, cheeseburger empanadas. We have pork empanadas and we have chorizo empanadas. Who has it better than we do?

[Marvin]

Nobody.

[Dan Patrick]

Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. Sunday night, Justin Herbert leads the Chargers against Drake May and the Patriots. I like how they give me the information here on the promotional copy. Only one team will be left standing. Go figure. That would mean it's a must win situation for both of these teams. Feels like it. Okay, wild card weekend, Sunday, 7:30 Eastern on NBC. And Peacock.

[Paul]

Yes, Paul, Put a little more sauce on it.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Only one team will be left standing. This is Wild guard Weekend Sunday, 7:30 Eastern only on NBC. And Peacock in a world. Oh, speaking of movies I just saw, have you seen the trailer for Primate? It's in. Yeah, it's in theaters today.

[Seaton]

Oh, is it?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Okay, so here's the. Here's the copy. It says, a family's beloved pet chimpanzee Ben contracts rabies during a tropical vacation and turns into a violent, rabid killer, terrorizing his owners in a confined glass house featuring themes of broken trust and survival. Okay, the question I have is the problem is you have a pet chimpanzee to start with there. And then it contracts rabies during that tropical vacation and turns into a violent, rabid killer. Don't get the chimpanzee to begin with. Yes, Paulie.

[Paul]

I'm looking at the reviews, and so far, 77% positive on rotten Tomatoes. I don't recognize any of the stars, but I'm not saying they're not big name people.

[Seaton]

This feels like if what's his name, Liam Neeson, was in it, though, we.

[Dan Patrick]

Would be like, possibly the greatest movie of the year. Or if, like, Ralph finds.

[Seaton]

Oh, if he played the primate or whatever it's called. He was. Yeah, that would be awesome.

[Dan Patrick]

And he played. Yeah, you're right. There's certain actors that if they were in this movie, then, like, if Leonardo DiCaprio was in this one and be like, man, he's in primate. Yes, Todd.

[Marvin]

There's always that neighbor that's in denial. My pet chimp is always so calm and doctor, Someone must have taunted it. Did you, like, put a banana in his face or something? It's got to be your fault that it started attacking everybody.

[Dan Patrick]

We say good morning if you're watching on Peacock, that's our streaming partner, and download the app if you haven't done so. If you'd like to watch this program unfold right before your very eyes. We say good morning to our radio affiliates around the country. Congratulations on the U. Although I will say I don't think anybody on Miami's team. I don't think anybody on Miami's coaching staff was more excited last night than Michael Irvin. I think that that is probably fair to say. Mike was the hype man on the sidelines. Kid gets his bell rung, he's over on the sidelines. Mike is there pumping him up. I don't know if he was involved in play calling, but he was as close as you could possibly get to going into the game. Miami had the ball for 41 minutes. It's the largest time of possession in any college football playoff game in history as part of the BCS. So that goes back to 2013. Chris Fowler was on the call. He'll join us coming up in about 20 minutes from now. Poll question for hour two. We got some phone calls to get. What are we going to go with?

[Seaton]

Yeah, we got up There right now, the final play of the Fiesta Bowl. Should that have been flagged or should it not have been flagged right now? Man, this one's real close. We're going to keep this one up there for a little bit. Cause it's about 50. 50.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Yeah.

[Seaton]

Yeah. I really don't know either. I feel like, you know, the whole thing for me with that play was the lead up to it and all of the flags that had been thrown. And you could just feel it, especially in the fourth quarter. You knew that there was going to be one play that, man, they're not going to throw the flag on this one and it's going to be like, what the heck? You just threw it on the past five, and now on this one you didn't. And it ends up being that play.

[Dan Patrick]

And I think it's a great point because I want to know how you're calling the game and if you play or you're coaching, you want to know what is going to get called and what's not going to get called. It's like Seattle with the Legion of Boom. They knew you weren't going to call every pass interference, Right. So they just interfered with you as much as possible.

[Seaton]

I mean, is no one being held on that Carson Beck touchdown? I don't know. But the flag wasn't thrown.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, the left tackle did. The defensive lineman. Yes.

[Seaton]

How did he get that one? Let me see all that space that.

[Dan Patrick]

He just casually strolled in there. How did he get that?

[Seaton]

I don't know. Maybe there was holding, but the flag wasn't thrown.

[Dan Patrick]

And then you got the game tonight. Indiana, I think, is still a 3 1/2 point favorite against Oregon. And you got storylines here, which is what we love. You got the Heisman Trophy winner. You go against Oregon again. Brady Quinn was on with his last hour, and he said, you know, Indiana's physicality probably surprised Oregon, and they won't be surprised, but can they be as physical with Indiana? Indiana, that's a big team, a physical team. And that head coach, he wants to run the football. Also, Brady Quinn did talk about the quarterback for Oregon, Dante Moore, and he said, now, I'm paraphrasing here. It felt like he thought Dante Moore, if he does come out, has a chance to be the number one player taken. And he liked him a lot more or not. Once again, I want to make sure that I'm fair to Brady. But it sounded like he liked Dante Moore as a prospect better than Fernando Mendoza. I just need to see more games with Dante Moore. And look, it's probably not fair to him, but if I look at the track record here of these guys who have 15, 20 starts, not necessarily a good track record going into the NFL. I. I need to see more. Well, no pun intended there, Todd. You see what I did, Seymour? More. Dante, more.

[Marvin]

They see more.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you. 877 3DP. Show operator. Tyler sitting by. He'll take your calls. We'll look at what would be the biggest upset this weekend. Also the most must win game of the weekend. And who had the best week in sports. Buddha in San Francisco. Hi, Buddha. What's on your mind, Body?

[Caller]

Happy me Friday, boys. Every day's a Super bowl, baby. Let's go. Thank you, Todd. Dan, real quick, little housekeeping. You guys are trying to reconcile the pies of the face bets last hour and Marvin O's for our bet for the World Series. Just wanted to bring that to your attention. And I was bummed about Ole Miss going down last night with what was deemed as mutual contact. And. But to your point, Dan, when you're opening the show, I think Lane leaving kind of really galvanized the Ole Miss players and team and inspired their run. So kudos to them and they should be proud. And lastly, Dan, I'm super excited for the game this weekend. And I mean, Kyle has coached his ass off and he's done a hell of a job. Maybe we can hire the priest that the Steelers hired to bless their end zone and we can get them to bless our defense and setting into Philly. And good luck to you, Winnie and Kevin tonight. Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I got the. The animal psychic. That's tonight. I'm sitting down with Winnie and I'm zooming with animal psychic. And. And then my daughter comes in with her Maine coon cat, Kevin, and then she gets a half hour with the. The animal sidekick. This is now something weird could come up tonight. Okay. Because when I first got Winnie, if you're watching on Peacock, you see her sleeping. When we first adopted her, we saw her picture on a website and her name was Penny because her coat looks like, you know, the color of a penny. We changed it because the big German's dog is named Penny. Now, I don't know if this psychic is going to say, hey, Winnie would like to go back to being called Penny because if she does some research here on my dog, she could probably find out that Winnie was Penny when they put her up on the website. So we could have, you know, an identity situation here. But that'll be tonight. I'll talk about this on Monday. But I, I'm going in open minded that maybe I can learn more about my dog and my daughter is going to learn more about her cat.

[Paul]

Yes, Paul, are you going to be asking questions on behalf of your dog? Is that the.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know if I can do that.

[Paul]

I think you have to because the dog is going to be.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, do I say, does, Does Winnie love me?

[Paul]

Is Winnie healthy?

[Dan Patrick]

Does. Would Winnie, Would Winnie take a bullet for me?

[Paul]

Because he could. Service agent.

[Dan Patrick]

Does Winnie love me more than my wife does? Wow. Yeah. Well, I don't know how deep, you know, I'm really good at asking questions. I don't know if this psychic is ready for this interrogation. All right, but that, that's coming up later on tonight. I got a big night ahead of me. Animal psychic. And then I've got college football as well. Fred in South Carolina. Hi, Fred. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Good morning, Dan and the Dan.

[Chris Fowler]

Ed.

[Caller]

Hey, who do we feel most sorry for? Ole Miss or the referees or college football? I know we want to get it right, but we can take it into basketball with that last shot and you know, a foul on the arm. It's just a shame.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Caller]

It's not a perfect world, but we're trying to get it right.

[Dan Patrick]

And I don't feel bad for college football. I mean. Okay, was it a horrible non call? No, I don't think so. But it's close. And because they were calling this, you know, in prior plays in the game, you know that that's where I, I would want to know. Okay, were you, you know, calling these real ticky tack fouls? But that's, that's not the story of the game. It's not. It shouldn't be. I hope it's not. But it was, you know, a play that we got to see the replay and you got to see contact there. Gary in Indiana. Not to be confused with Gary, Indiana.

[Caller]

Happy New Year, boys.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm, I'm calling because I'm team toddler with this mend. It got me thinking back to the movie Tin cup when Kevin Costner told Rene Russo, I want to tell you about your boyfriend. You don't know about. He hates old people, children and dogs. Then you fast forward later in the movie. Don Johnson's character gets done doing an interview, walking off and he's smiling and waving and gets back behind the curtain and lights up a heater and his manager comes over and starts talking to him. And this old couple shows up with their grandson and they're Holding a dog and he berates them and he says, do I bother you when you go into work? No, leave me alone. And he sees walking away, he's like, and you got an ugly dog, too.

[Caller]

Now, I'm not saying the nose Mendoza is like that, but I'm just saying you're not.

[Dan Patrick]

It sounds like you are. Gary, I would, you know, if this is his personality or the personality that he presents, then I'm fine with it. I just want to know if he can play football. Now, I've seen a lot of athletes over the years, and they're not the person you see when they're on camera, but they live that life. Okay, that's. Fernando Mendoza is a great story. We should not take that away from him. If you don't believe in his personality, he's just too nice. And Todd, see what you started?

[Marvin]

I know. I don't believe he's some kind of Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde and some kind of big act. It's just very Disney esque. When you see these super happy employees at Disney. When you're walking around Disney World to Disneyland where it's almost.

[Dan Patrick]

No, they're. They're asked to do that. Whatever they're asking to be, they get paid to be.

[Marvin]

But even still, the fact that they.

[Dan Patrick]

Can you imagine if Todd was a stuffed animal at Disney World?

[Chris Fowler]

Get me out of here.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's true. Can't breathe. Yeah. Paul.

[Paul]

Well, the thing about Mendoza, it's. It's unique to have someone to have such a positive mentality at all times, like an early Russell Wilson. But I can. You know, I think when you meet people like that, you're thrown off because most people are more cynical and more, you know, calm or whatever you want to say. But I remember the first time we met Tony Reali in person. I'm like, how can anyone be that energetic and that positive all the time? But every time I've talked to him or met him since, he's always the same guy.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paul]

Whatever's behind it, I have no idea. But I love. And you're almost like jealous of people like that a little bit.

[Dan Patrick]

Mike in Washington. Hi, Mike. What's on your mind? Hey, Mike. How about. Oh, we got Mike.

[Caller]

Yeah, you got me now.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Yeah.

[Caller]

What is that, son? Hey, so for the pie to debate the pie to the face bet, maybe callers can log in date and dimes when they call in and say, I bet Fritzi Today at 7:14, my time that my Seattle Seahawks are going to make it further than his Denver Ponies in the playoffs.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay. Or maybe Tyler can just write these things down when the callers call in. But yeah, we. We have to log this because we got a few stray pies that they're. They're coming your way. Yes, Marv.

[Marvin]

So we take this in March, you said.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, we were looking at 3.14, which would be PI.3.14, but I think that's a Saturday, Todd. Yeah.

[Marvin]

Because March Madness is Sunday the 15th. Selection Sunday.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, we'll do it Friday. Good Friday.

[Marvin]

Friday the 13th.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Yeah. It'll be PI Day. The 13th. Yeah. We did it.

[Marvin]

You salvaged that.

[Dan Patrick]

See what we did?

[Marvin]

You very much salvaged that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. All right. Fresh in Milwaukee. Hi, Fresh. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

What's up? DPM the boys. How y' all doing this Friday?

[Dan Patrick]

Nobody.

[Caller]

Nobody. I got a statement in the question. DP first of all, thank you, Sandman, for the no. 2, 000 yards to get Derrick Henry in the movie this year. And also, can you explain having great stats but not being a great player? And who else is in this category besides Trey Young?

[Dan Patrick]

You know, it's a great question because I did think about that when I heard the show back where I talked about Trey Young. I don't think he's a great player. I think he has great stats. I think, you know, scoring an assist, I just don't. There. There's meaningless. There's more meaningful stats like Bradley Beal put up great numbers. I don't think he was a great player. Now you can say, well, he wasn't on a great team. I grew up and I saw Nate Archibald play. He led the league in scoring and assist. And I thought that he was amazing, but he was the only thing the Cincinnati Royals had. But he led the league in scoring and assist for a last place team, by the way. So I think you can get numbers for a bad team. I don't think that Trey Young is a guy that you go, he can be the difference. Like he. When we're going into a game and he's our advantage over your best guy. And, you know, maybe it's semantics here, but I, I just, I, I think Trey Young is a curiosity. I don't think that he's a great player.

[Marvin]

Yes, Morph, he might be. He might not be a winning player. I think that's the difference. If you put up that many points and that many assists, you're a really good player. At least you can't just say, he's an okay player and you put up 27 points in the NBA.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, they're CJ McCallum, you know, put up big numbers. He wasn't a great player.

[Marvin]

Never put up big numbers. Not. He didn't put up Trey Young numbers.

[Dan Patrick]

No, but he averages 19 for his career, I think. I don't know why. Well, they were involved in the trade, that blockbuster trade, you know. We'll revisit this. I got Chris Fowler. You can't let Chris Fowler wait. He had a busy night last night. We'll take a break. We're back after this. Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington.

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What's up?

[Cam Jordan]

It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars for the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about anything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of More on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Seaton]

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[Dan Patrick]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. More of your phone calls coming up. Chris Fowler was on the call for last night's Fiesta bowl between Miami and Ole Miss and he'll be there for the national title game on Monday. That'll be at 7:30 Eastern on the Mothership and then he heads down under for the Australian Open on ESPN Networks. You kind of go into a game with all the different scenarios like this could happen or what if this happens? How often are you surprised in a game?

[Chris Fowler]

Pretty often because college football, Dan, as you know, is often messy. It's not neat, tidy, it's controversial, it's noisy, it's beautiful. And we had all of that in that game last night. I mean, if you think about the small moments I've been reliving, sort of the end of the game situation because that was the most dramatic and memorable, but all little moments that get you there. Ole Miss Lucas Carnero is a great kicker, hits the left upright twice, doinks it twice on consecutive field goals. One stays out, one goes in because it's this far to the right. All the Miami dropped about four interceptions, but guys kept making amazing plays. And you know, I hate to say this because it's a cliche, but you really did hate to see Trinidad Chambliss and Ole Miss, that group of guys that have been through so much, walk off defeated yesterday. Only one team could survive and Miami deserved it. But man, it was. It was. I didn't expect a lot of things I saw last night, that's for sure. Carson Beck running the ball in for a touchdown was not on my bingo card for that end of game situation.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, the non call with that final play. Your thoughts on now and I'll preface this by saying I always look at how the game is going to get called. You know, they calling everything. Are they letting them, you know, play? But. And they were calling a lot. And that's why I, I was a little bit surprised that they didn't call something on that play.

[Chris Fowler]

Yeah, I'll get to that in a second. I mean, the reason why it's. It's tough to know what's going to happen in these games is because they're officiated by different conferences. It was the Big Ten last night. You can't have a team involved in the game and have that conference official. So it's frequently, guys, you don't see those teams all year and they call pass interference very differently in different leagues. I had a conversation with the officials on the field about that pregame. They don't always agree with me. They like to think there's a national standard. I think it's called differently. Yeah. Miami didn't have a single penalty against them in the Ohio State win last night. They had a lot of costly penalties, a lot of mental mistakes, and Ole Miss had less. But at the end of it, you know, maybe it wasn't a true Hail Mary heave. You know, where it's six guys in a pile jumping up and down and that almost never gets called. As you know, you have to tackle somebody and step on their neck. In the NFL to get a call like that and a Hail Mary at the end of the game, this wasn't really that, but at the end of the day, mutual combat is what Bill Lamonier, our rules expert in the booth, we had to defer to him. He called it that. And you know, there was pushing and shoving on both sides. If it's a normal middle of the game situation in the end zone, they probably get a defensive pass interference call. But we can't, we can't complain when the officials step in and intervene if we don't understand they're going to call things differently in different situations at the end of the game. Right. Don't we kind of want that? Don't you want to let him play in the NBA? You want a ticky tack foul called or something decided at the free throw line? I don't.

[Dan Patrick]

But it's an advantage for the defense. Then if they know you're not going to call this and it was kind of a intermediate Mary, not a Hail Mary. And so because of that, and you're right, Hail Mary, they're not going to call anything this to me, you know, you could have called that. And it's not a spot Foul. So it's only 15 yards.

[Chris Fowler]

Right.

[Dan Patrick]

It doesn't decide the game. But given that moment and the way they had called the game, I thought maybe you could have. They could have called holding on the left tackle on Carson Beck's touchdown run. You could.

[Chris Fowler]

You could have called a lot of holding last night. I think when you have the. In the attitude in your mind that the CFP officials are going to let him play, which we've heard, we hear a lot. And they have, I think, throughout this bracket, for the most part, let teams play because they know that, you know, 22 million don't tune in to watch a holding call. But you're right, you have to. You have to sort of officiate the game with consistency and your best judgment. What Lamont said, though, was mutual combat. That's what. That's how the officials view it. Yes, there was jersey grabbing. Yes, the official was. I mean, the receiver, Shively was grabbed there, but he also was pushing off with the arm to create space before that. I mean, you can make a case that they've thrown a flag. You know the history. If Miami had been called for passing.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Fowler]

The last play of the game, of a Fiesta ball. I was on.

[Dan Patrick]

We were there.

[Chris Fowler]

Double stadium. I was there. Maybe you were too.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I was.

[Chris Fowler]

And Miami's never won a Fiesta. All they've had their heart broken there. If they had thrown a flag on Miami in that situation.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Fowler]

Circle context. And Ole Miss had won the game. I don't know. You could write a movie about whoever wins the game on Monday night's gonna be a great movie. It was a movie about Ole Miss season anyway. That would have been another movie on Miami's futility in the Fiesta bowl if they'd thrown a flag there.

[Dan Patrick]

Mutual Combat. Sounds like a Liam Neeson movie. Steven Seagal in Mutual Contact.

[Chris Fowler]

Yeah, I mean, he got a mutual combat. Oh, Comet, I said, I get what you're saying because they are hand fighting and pushing and shoving. I just want to back up for a second. I. I met Atlanta. I got in at 4:00'.

[Dan Patrick]

Clock.

[Chris Fowler]

I'm just trying to be professional with you hearing and get the voice right. So pull back the curtain. I have this honey from New Zealand. I have this gel from China, which is an herbal thing. I have lozenges and I have this device here. I'm not vaping, I assure you. But this is something that you. You take a hit on to get your voice back. It's called a vocal mist thing that singers use and I've got my iPad sitting on my wheelie bag, which is on a small table, and the iPad's leaning against a trash can. I'm just doing my best here to function at this hour. Dan, for you.

[Dan Patrick]

So are there concerns the Voice might not be ready for Monday night?

[Chris Fowler]

There are no concerns about it.

[Dan Patrick]

You're not a game time decision, are you?

[Chris Fowler]

No, I mean, Sean McDonough and Greg McElroy are calling the game. I'm just here in Atlanta to watch from the field and, you know, prepare for the championship. I'll be ready. Don't worry about it.

[Dan Patrick]

Are you the understudy in case something happens to Sean McDonough?

[Chris Fowler]

I hope not. Nothing's going to happen to Sean McDonough except he'll call a great king.

[Dan Patrick]

The Indiana story and you know, growing up in Ohio, we were aware of Indiana because they were always the team that was usually had zero. It was like 56 to nothing or whatever. Losing his friend, you know, team in NCAA history with football. And then they do this in two years, this turnaround. And you're trying to tell people like you think the Hoosiers movie is, you know, great. This to me trumps that because, I mean, who would have thought Indiana would have a Heisman Trophy winner, be the number one team, be favored to win the national championship, any of the above.

[Chris Fowler]

It's the greatest turnaround I've seen in this sport. You can make comparisons to other sports. It's not supposed to happen in college football. It never has historically. Now with the Portal and Nil, you can make it happen pretty quickly. But even given that what Signetti has done is astounding to me. I mean, it happened last year when they make the playoff and take another level up to be as dominant as they were in the Rose Bowl. The roster is not built with four and five stars. It's a very different roster construction than the other three teams in the semifinals and most of the other teams in the playoffs. But he is a brilliant evaluator of talent. That's what you have to have. A lot of guys can go to the Portal and spend money. They spent it beautifully and they had a great eye for talent. And he brought a bunch of key guys from James Madison with him, were the core of the team. And he went out and got Mendoza. So he made some great choices. But I don't know if this is going to happen again in the future either. I think it's, yeah, you can win quickly with the modern reality, but still to do what they, I don't want to put it now they got the portal. No, no. They have to make a million smart choices to do what they've done.

[Dan Patrick]

SEC did not do well in the playoffs.

[Chris Fowler]

1 and 8, or the Bulls for that matter.

[Dan Patrick]

Is this an anomaly?

[Chris Fowler]

Well, I mean, it's the third straight year that a SEC team is not going to play in the championship game and the Big Ten would now be favored at this point to win three in a row. So, yeah, the Big Ten can say that the championship runs through that conference. The Big Ten also did well head to head in the bowls against the sec. But if you view where the SEC is and where it's going, all is not doom and gloom. I think that, you know, at the bottom of the conference, the bottom half of it, nine through 16, it's still much stronger than the Big Ten. So running the gauntlet in the SEC is still the most challenging thing to do in this sport. The big tent at the top is where the power lies. Now. The SEC used to have great top heavy power and also depth. They don't have that anymore. At the top, you've got three elite teams out of the Big Ten and, and Ohio State got knocked out and two of her playing here in Atlanta tonight. But I don't think the SEC is going to fade away. There's, you know, they have too much money and too much passion and too much invested in the sport already. But it makes it interesting. I like the fact that, that there's balance in the sport. I like the fact that a 10 seed in Miami, which many people out there thought, and I know you're watching out there, didn't belong in. Look where they are now. They won three tough games and they're going to play for a championship.

[Dan Patrick]

I wonder, though, that, you know, with college football playoffs Maybe going to 16 next year, the Big Ten and SEC are saying we need to have X number of teams. I don't know if this hurts their argument of saying we should get X number. We should have five teams in and the Big Ten has five teams or four teams because of what's happened this year.

[Chris Fowler]

I don't love the idea of expanding and then including four automatic bids to the Big Ten in the sec. That's the plan of Tony Petiti, Big Ten commissioner. And, you know, maybe more conferences like, you know, the ACC might like to go along with that too. They like to have more teams in. I kind of like the structure where it is now. I think the, the tweak you can make is, you know, tougher restrictions on group of five teams, it was. You know, James Madison was a great story, but that was never going to be a competitive game. So you've got 11 playoff games in this format and two involved complete mismatches. And I think people would have liked to see Notre Dame or Texas or Vanderbilt or somebody else in those games.

[Dan Patrick]

And.

[Chris Fowler]

But then you're now excluding entire conferences from having any chance to get in the bracket.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, can college football be fixed? Is a strong word, but it just feels like there are things that make sense that college football should be doing. Simping simple guardrails here of starting the season, maybe ending the season on New Year's Day. Maybe that'll take away the coaches leaving, maybe players leaving transfer portal. I mean, it feels like college football. And I said this yesterday, they're waiting for Congress to clean up their mess. That. That. That's not good.

[Chris Fowler]

No, it's not. I mean, it's. Or they're waiting for a new sheriff to ride into town because we are in the Wild west and there's no rules and it's chaos. If people really knew what was going on behind the scenes. I mean, I'll tell you some anecdotes. There's a long snapper out there from a. From prominent school. A long snapper who's just minding his own business, very happy where he is. Not in the transfer portal at all. 27 phone calls to a long snapper with. These are major teams that are trying to get this guy, offering him money. He's. I'm happy where I am. I'm not in the portal. I know what's your number? But. But I'm not in the. What's your number? What's a long snapper's number? Is. Is what was where we are. And that's going on. You got kickers and punters. I think the sec, half the conference got a new kicker yesterday. And that's. That's where we are, man. And, and it's. It's. In a way, you just want the system to do right by the players. But to have 4,000 guys in the portal, the vast majority will not land someplace and play as a starter and win a championship. That's. That's the 1%.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe I did bring this up yesterday as well. When's the last time a player was academically ineligible? You know, growing up, it happened all the time. I've never heard of anybody.

[Chris Fowler]

It did happen. And also they also got away with murder. A lot of. Back in that day, there were dudes with zero point zeros who played the blue Tarski grade point average. I mean, not. That's not what we want. I mean, there's a lot of great examples about what's right in the sport, about great students who are doing it, doing, you know, a lot of the right things. But I don't know. That's a good question. I don't see that anymore. You know, geez was going to play in the playoff, but he didn't pass that final and he's going to have to sit out. That seems kind of quaint these days, doesn't it?

[Dan Patrick]

Most successful college coaches try the NFL. I mean, some of the biggest names, you know, in college football history. You know, Saban Spurrier. Can you see Signetti trying the NFL?

[Chris Fowler]

I think he wins wherever he goes. Right. We know that. I think there'd be a lot of teams intrigue. He, he seems to love college football. He would not have stayed at a lower division for as long as he did. You know, whether it's, I mean, even before James Madison, he was, he was in, in small college football and loved being a teacher. And that's okay. I think they're always intrigued because you wonder how, how would your system work at the highest level of football? But I wouldn't, I wouldn't rule it out. I. People in college have been trying to hire this guy. He signed an extension, a big contract, and they're still coming after him for trying to say, I forget the contract. What does that mean these days?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I know Penn State was interesting. You know, there are a few of them and Mike Tannenbaum brought it up earlier in the week that could you see a package deal with Mendoza and Signetti to the Raiders. And I, at first I said no way. But then I don't. I mean, he makes more money than he would make in the NFL, Chris. He's going to, he's going to be the highest paid coach in college football.

[Chris Fowler]

I wasn't sure if he meant Mendoza or Signetti there.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I don't know what Mendoza makes.

[Chris Fowler]

But he's not making NFL top pick money. No, for sure. I mean, it's interesting. I have a feel for these guys and I really wish them success on Sundays. And I sit there looking at the Raiders or the jets or say, wow, I mean, to go from where he's gone in Indiana. Structure, order, brilliant organization, togetherness, chemistry. Love, love your brother to go to an NFL locker room like that where, where you got problems. If you're drafting first and you do it again and again, you got problems and For Fernando to walk in there knowing how these guys are, he loves order and organization and, and things to be neat and tidy. He's very unique personality. I think that for him to survive and thrive in the chaos of an NFL format locker room is seriously challenging. The fit is so important, man. I mean, we got, you know, finally Bryce Young's in the playoff right in Carolina. It took a few years. It took the NFC south to get him there, but look what he had to go through the first couple of years. You know, just the chaos, the revolving door of management and coaches and different offensive systems and getting, getting knocked around. I mean, that's the reality for most top picks. You know, Caleb Williams landed in a good place and he also endured some tough times and now he's going to take his team and Cam Ward, I hope he can get there, too. But you know, Fernando to the Raiders, man to the jets, you know. You know, good luck.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Rest the voice, though. You got to get ready. All right. Get a lift in. You got. Yeah, I, I don't. I've never used one of those.

[Chris Fowler]

It's very legal. It's just, it's just sailing. It's just sailing. Solution here, vaporized.

[Dan Patrick]

Somebody's going to make a meme out of that. Chris, just letting you know you're sparking. You're vaping on my show here. Thanks again.

[Chris Fowler]

Appreciate it.

[Dan Patrick]

Talk to you soon. Great job. Chris Fowler, he'll be. He was on the call for the Fiesta bowl and he's got the national championship on Monday. Let me take a break. We'll come back. Phone calls and the most must win game of the weekend and best week in sports. All of that coming up. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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[Chris Fowler]

What's up?

[Cam Jordan]

It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars for the NFL, the sports world in general, and entertainment about anything from teams and players making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey through my 15th season in the NFL. Looking forward to you joining me this season. The season of more on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Seaton]

Liberty.

[Dan Patrick]

Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. John in Pennsylvania. John, welcome to the program.

[Caller]

Yes, good morning, Dan. As you and I are on the cusp of our 60th Super Bowl, I have a little trivia for you. Who is the first player to win super bowl rings with two different teams and each team went back to back?

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, so he went back to back Super Bowls on different teams?

[Caller]

That is correct, sir. And when he did, he got four rings, two back to back with the first team and two rings back to back with the second. And he was a tight end. Marv Fleming, you are better than the best, my friend.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you. John. Who had the best week in sports?

[Marvin]

Todd, I'm going to give it to the Carolina Panthers and their fans because they backed in with an 89 record. They get to host the 12 and 5 Rams. So the Carolina Panthers had a pretty good week.

[Dan Patrick]

Seon best week in sports.

[Seaton]

Tough for me to not say Carson back in the Miami Hurricanes. Yeah, I mean he was a quarterback that led a quarterback that shouldn't be there led a team that shouldn't be there to the national championship game. That's about as good as it gets.

[Dan Patrick]

A lot of doubters though, you know.

[Seaton]

Even borderline haters, I might say.

[Dan Patrick]

Borderline haters, yeah.

[Seaton]

Yeah. There's of a lot, lot of people that don't like that kid for some reason.

[Dan Patrick]

Marvin, Best week in sports Kevin Stefanski.

[Marvin]

He got to not be the coach of the Browns anymore and he's a hot commodity for a head coaching job. Elsewhere.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, Paul, best week in sports.

[Paul]

Nailed that one. Marv. I'm going to go. Even with the loss, quarterback from Ole Miss, Trinidad Chambliss, he had a good game. He became the face of the program. When Kiffin left, I was watching in the third quarter and there was an injury timeout and there was a Trinidad Chambliss Verizon commercial that ran on national tv. And he's now a pretty legit pro prospect who could go back next year.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think that he's petitioned to go back, but I don't. You know, once you get that information from scouts and then they might say you can be a first round pick or you might be a late first round pick or second round, whatever it is, you know, that might change, you know, his thought process there. All right, the biggest upset of the weekend. Now, points wise, it would obviously be Carolina beating the Rams, which they've already done. So is there another game that's even close to that, that if this team won, it would be considered the biggest upset? Paul?

[Paul]

I think it should be the 49ers if they beat the Eagles. The Eagles are still the defending champs. They just rested. The 49ers look terrible.

[Dan Patrick]

You think that the Niners beating the Eagles in Philadelphia would be bigger than than the Panthers beating the Rams?

[Paul]

I think it should be because the Panthers have done this before. They've taken down good teams, then they lose to average teams. The Niners have nobody. I don't know how they got here in the first place. Everyone's injured and I know they're 12 and five even. That's a miracle. But for them to take down the super bowl champs at home would be something else.

[Dan Patrick]

See, I would be, you know, the biggest upset if the Panthers beat the Rams again. That would be shocking. Now the Niners are getting five and a half. It was four and a half yesterday. The Chargers getting three and a half at the Patriots. Texans giving three at the Steelers. Bills still favored over the Jags. Packers now favored over the Bears. Todd, do you have an upset? That would be a huge upset.

[Marvin]

The obvious one is obvious to Panthers, but I don't think it's a huge upset. But I'm going to say the Chargers beating the Patriots in Foxborough to me would be a pretty big deal because they're inconsistent and we're waiting for the Chargers to be the Chargers to go into Foxborough and win that game, to me would be a pretty big upset.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, go cross country there. Marvin, how about you?

[Marvin]

The Jaguars, if they beat the Bills, even at home. Because the optics. You lost to the Jaguars. I don't care if the Jaguars were undefeated this season.

[Dan Patrick]

Wow.

[Marvin]

They'd be like, man, you lost to the Jaguars. John Elway still hasn't shaken off the loss to the Jaguars, and that was 25 years ago.

[Dan Patrick]

I did finish the Elway documentary. It was good. I don't know if you learn anything from it, but you do revisit a lot of things. Seaton got an upset.

[Seaton]

Yeah. I'm going to say just because I think the game is so important to Buffalo that it's going to be the Jaguars, if they should upset them. But I think. I think it is grossly premature to say that the Panthers have been here before.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, they've. They've been here before beating the Rams. They just haven't.

[Seaton]

They did beat the Rams earlier this season, however, last year they were 8 and 9. Then they were 5 and 12, 2 and 15, 7 and 10, 5 and 12, 5 and 11, 5 and 11, 7 and 9. They have not been here in a very long time.

[Dan Patrick]

James in Virginia. Hi, James. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Oh, thank you for taking my call, brother. Happy Friday. D.P. dan, that man. Salute the commanders. Big time, all the time, every time. You know, I know nothing about being positive and happy all the time, guys. I had no idea what y' all were talking about earlier.

[Dan Patrick]

Is this real, James? Is this who you are?

[Caller]

No doubt about it, man. You know what? I take it back to Jerry Maguire, the agent that said, I jump out of bed, I clap my hands and I say, today is going to be a great day. And that's how I live life, man. Love life. Love living all day, every day, man, all the time. I'm calling today, though, man, about the super bowl picks real quick. Shout out to my man Gibb. And, man, shout out to the Ole Miss coaching staff for keeping them boys ready and in the game to win the game at the end. Man, what. What a. I hope that guy gets the opportunity and not just an interim coach, but in the NFL. Man, I'm taking the Bills and the Charges in AFC and the Bills to win. And I'm taking the Seahawks over the Rams. Man, I really want San Francisco. I think they'll beat Philly this weekend, but that Seattle defense and going to Seattle to play, I think Sam Darnold's.

[Dan Patrick]

Gonna take them, but, oh, we ran out of time, Mr. Positivity. Carson Beck is like the Sam Darnold of college football, isn't he? Kind of a weird comparison, but coming up Most must win game of the weekend, final hour in this meet. Friday, straight ahead.

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