Hour 2 – Penn State Is Missing James Franklin Already, Chris Fowler

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2: Penn State Is Missing James Franklin Already, Chris Fowler

December 3, 2025 – Hour 2 Summary

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Episode Overview

This hour of The Dan Patrick Show centers on the current drama and movement in college football, with a particular focus on the consequences of Penn State’s job opening, the coaching carousel (notably Lane Kiffin’s high-profile switch), and the state of the NFL’s coaching market—especially speculation around Mike Tomlin’s future. Dan and the Danettes also welcome ESPN’s Chris Fowler, who provides insider insight into the evolving landscape of college athletics, the College Football Playoff rankings, and coaching changes. Throughout, the show balances analysis, wit, and listener engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Penn State's Football Coaching Turmoil

• Context: Penn State’s post-James Franklin era is creating unease, especially with signing day here and other schools filling openings quickly.
  • Dan notes: “It’s a national signing day. Great day for BYU keeping their coach, not so good of a day with Penn State.” (03:06)
• ESPN’s Chris Fowler discusses the unique challenges and risks Penn State faces by moving slowly, referencing Nebraska’s similar mistakes in the early 2000s.
  • “If you’re a Penn State fan waiting, like 53 days after firing your coach, then I have another one in place when all the teams around you are going boom, boom, boom… I don’t know what they’re doing.” (Chris Fowler, 26:55)
  • Caller Rich in South Dakota: “I think Penn State really needs to be careful with their next hire on there because they could be the next Nebraska football program.” (14:35)

2. College Football Playoff Rankings and Selection Drama

• Compare and Contrast: The crew discusses Notre Dame vs. BYU resumes, using data on schedule strength, best wins, and losses.
  • Dan recites the metrics—BYU (11-1, Strength of Schedule 35) vs. Notre Dame (10-2, Strength of Schedule 42), making the Playoff selection “potential for... concern for some schools.” (04:53)
• Chris Fowler offers insight into the committee’s logic and the limits of institutional "brand" power:
  • “People just sort of assume that Notre Dame is an elite program when they have 10 wins... but I think you’d have to go member by member and really get them to give them some truth serum, and ask them if [brand value] matters.” (25:24)
  • “You’re never gonna, like, dissuade the conspiracy theorists... But that’s just my view.” (25:33)

3. The Coaching Carousel: Lane Kiffin, LSU & College Football’s New Reality

• Lane Kiffin's Move: Discussion of Lane Kiffin’s departure from Ole Miss for LSU, with both pragmatic and emotional fallout examined.
  • Fowler: “Lane is not the villain who’s symbolic of everything wrong with the sport… he did what most coaches would do... The old narrative about ripping players or coaches for making business decisions... that’s outdated, tired, and lazy.” (29:46)
  • Dan and Fowler agree most of the fan ire is misplaced, given the business-first nature of modern college football.
  • “Lane talked about Nick Saban advising him... Should Saban on College GameDay...acknowledge that he was guiding him or told him to leave Ole Miss?” (33:55)
  • Fowler clarifies: “He just laid out for him what his opinion was of the opportunity to win a national championship... but you can’t say that he’s the reason Lane made his decision.” (35:36)

4. The Mike Tomlin Sweepstakes?

• Speculation Over Mike Tomlin’s Future: After facing boos in Pittsburgh, the panel wonders: What happens if the Steelers and Tomlin part ways?
  • Dan: “There would be a line of teams that would say, hey, we got our coach, but we can get that coach.” (09:06)
  • Discussion covers Browns, Giants, Bengals as potential fits, with consensus that Tomlin would be highly sought after.
  • Paulie: “If the Bengals job with a healthy Joe Burrow becomes available, I would make my pick based off the quarterback.” (11:43)
  • Dan: “If you’re always 9 and 8, or... 8 and 8, you can keep your job. But... not winning in the playoffs is unacceptable.” (09:43)

5. Callers' Perspectives: Loyalty, Coaches, and NIL Era

• On Lane Kiffin and College Coaching Loyalty:
  • “Maybe 40 years ago, I’d buy into that. Maybe 30 years ago, maybe 20 years ago... not now. These kids... want their NIL... can that guy get me to the next level, get me to the pros? I don’t think there’s any loyalty.” (Dan, 16:53)
  • Seaton: “If the only way to build character is through being a perfect person, then no one’s building any character, you know?” (17:26)
  • Discussion acknowledges the mercenary nature of today’s college football, for both players and coaches.

6. Inside Look: College Roster Construction and Economics

• Fowler’s Explains “The Roster is the Asset”:
  • “It’s really the roster that is the asset for the program... assembling this roster and paying what we’ve invested... you think the coaches are well paid. These rosters are like 20, 25, 30 million bucks... The roster is really bigger than the coach.” (Chris Fowler, 27:31)

7. Other Notable Segments

• State of Football in Pennsylvania: Both Penn State and the Steelers are, per Paulie, “a real mess this week.” (14:12)
• Hall of Fame Finalists Announced: Brief coverage of Bill Belichick, Robert Kraft, Ken Anderson, Roger Craig, and LC Greenwood as senior Hall of Fame finalists. Dan advocates for Anderson’s inclusion. (44:57)
• Georgia’s Title Contention: Fowler assesses Georgia—“Not as talented as those teams that won championships...[but] they find ways... Kirby knows how to get a team to hit its stride.” (38:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Notre Dame Playoff Chances
  • “People just sort of assume that Notre Dame is an elite program when they have 10 wins. It must be a really great team. ...You’re never gonna dissuade the conspiracy theorists.”
    — Chris Fowler (25:33)
• On Penn State’s Search
  • “Waiting, like, 53 days after firing your coach... when all the teams around you are going boom, boom, boom, deal, done, deal, done... I don’t know what they’re doing.”
    — Chris Fowler (26:55)
• On Lane Kiffin’s Departure
  • “That’s why I think—I hope they make a nice run. It’d be a great story if Ole Miss could say, ‘hell with Kiffin, we’re gonna rally around Pete Golding.’”
    — Chris Fowler (32:44)
• On Fans’ Expectations of Loyalty
  • “I don’t think there’s any loyalty. I don’t think there’s any allegiance... I mean, this all sounds good from yesteryear... It’s just not applicable now.”
    — Dan Patrick (16:53)
• On College Football’s Modern Structure
  • “It’s very, very close to the structure of pro sports.”
    — Chris Fowler (31:48)

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Highlight Timestamps

• 03:06 — Dan introduces national signing day; speculates on Penn State’s struggles.
• 07:56 — Mike Tomlin addresses Steelers fans booing after a loss.
• 09:01–12:20 — Speculation about Tomlin’s future, possible suitors (Browns, Giants, Bengals).
• 14:35 — Caller Rich draws Nebraska–Penn State coaching history parallels.
• 16:53 — Dan’s take on loyalty and character in modern college football.
• 25:24–26:51 — Fowler’s analysis of playoff committee, brand influence, Notre Dame vs. BYU.
• 26:55 — Fowler on Penn State’s slow hiring process and its implications.
• 27:31 — Fowler: Roster as the key asset in modern college sports.
• 29:46 — Fowler on Lane Kiffin's move and the wider state of the coaching carousel.
• 35:36 — Fowler clarifies Nick Saban’s “advice” to Lane Kiffin.
• 38:03 — Fowler’s take on Georgia and playoff danger level.
• 44:57 — Hall of Fame senior category discusses Ken Anderson and others.
• 48:07 — Poll results on playoff committee rationale; resume vs. ratings.
• 49:14 — Seaton’s comparison of college football to judged Olympic sports for playoff selection.

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Tone & Style

The show maintains Dan Patrick’s trademark blend of deep sports knowledge, irreverence, listener engagement, and a bit of friendly joshing among the Danettes. Both the host and Fowler provide nuanced but candid takes; callers and crew provide grounded, sometimes skeptical, perspective on the way college and pro sports are evolving.

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Summary for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This hour dives into college football’s shifting power dynamics—on the field and in the athletic departments. Dan and the Danettes analyze Penn State’s post-Franklin conundrum, the growing mercenary culture around players and coaches, and Lane Kiffin’s controversial (but not unusual) hop to LSU. Chris Fowler gives a reality check: brands don’t guarantee playoff inclusion, the roster is now king, and today’s college football is as business-minded and transactional as the pros. NFL talk revolves around Mike Tomlin’s job security—should he leave Pittsburgh, the line of interested teams would be long. The hour paints a vivid, sometimes critical picture of the new era in college football, with sharp quips and moments of nostalgia sprinkled throughout.

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It's hour two on this Wednesday Dan and the Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show. We're fully assembled because Seaton is back from his European vacation.

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Thank you, Todd.

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You got it.

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I missed out on the clap the first time. I wasn't gonna miss it the second time.

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So we're fully assembled. Todd is here, Seaton's here, Marv, Paulie, yours truly in the BRGs. And it's a national signing day. Great day for BYU keeping their coach not so good of a day with Penn State. We'll talk to Chris Fowler, voice of college football. He will join us coming up here in a little bit. Also, this Thursday night football game looks really, really interesting. It feels playoff like, you know, if the Cowboys maybe had one more win now all of a sudden, now they can really get into the playoff picture. The Lions. The Lions concern me here because, you know, you keep waiting for, you know, teams, they flip a switch. Well, I think we like to think that happens, but it doesn't. I think the Texans may have done that. Now. They got the Chiefs coming up this weekend, but the Lions against the Cowboys. Now it's a must win for the Cowboys to keep this story alive. It's a must win for the Lions as well because the Bears have the best record in the nfc and you got Green Bay, who has, I think top five odds to win the super bowl now. And it feels like they're kind of figuring out who they are. And Jordan Love has played really well. This gets into that must win situation for the Detroit Lions.

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Yes, Paul, going back to Dallas, if Dallas can be the Lions, they had the Vikings, Chargers, commanders, Giants. That's pretty winnable in their current state.

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And how many wins? Let's say they win three of those games. What do they have six wins right now? They six, five and one. Does that sound right?

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Yeah, I got the Cowboys at 6, 5 and 1. If they could get 10 wins, they obviously need some help with the tie break, but that tie could help them that they had early in the season.

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Yeah, the AFC is more wide open than the nfc. But yeah, that's a spicy game. Coming up tomorrow night. Andrew Whitworth, former offensive lineman, he works for Amazon Prime. He'll be working that game. He'll join us coming up in an hour from now. Say good morning if you're watching on Peacock. Thank you for downloading the app and our radio affiliates around the country as well. More of your phone calls. 877-3DP Show Email Address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter Handle @DP Show Tailgate the only place to get the autograph Calendars. We've added a few more stocking stuffers for anybody who orders the free autograph Bundle. Order by December 8th to get it by Christmas. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. We got the rankings that have come out, and I think it's the potential for, I don't want to say chaos, but certainly concern for some schools and Notre Dame and byu, because for a while we were comparing Notre Dame and Miami. I've got the resume comparison here. Notre Dame's 10 and 2. BYU's 11 and 1. Conference record, BYU 8 and 1. Notre Dame not in a conference. Strength of schedule, BYU 35, Notre Dame 42. Strength of record, BYU is sixth. Notre Dame is 13. Best win, USC for Notre Dame. Number 15, UT for BYU. Worst loss at Miami for Notre Dame. Worst loss at number five, Texas Tech. BYU still has Texas Tech coming.

Sorry, is your microphone on? Seaton.

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You know, it's funny. I went to turn it off, and I turned it on instead.

Sorry, I got a little bit of a cough, too.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Sorry about that.

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Yes, Marvin. Sorry.

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If you're Notre Dame, another team you can root for is Duke. Now, if Duke eliminates Virginia, the ACC might not have anybody. Right?

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Duke is playing in the conference title game with five losses. Right?

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Pathetic.

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Alrighty. We'll get to your phone calls. Coming up. 8, 7, 7, 3, DP show email address DP dan patrick.com Twitter handle it DP Show we spoke with Bill Cower this week, and we were talking about the booing that Mike Tomlin faced after the loss at home against Buffalo. And I. I did like what Cower said. He goes, you know, I'd see people out on the street, and if they said, hey, coach. Hi, Coach. How are you, coach? Then I thought, okay. I'm doing okay. When they would walk by in whisper, then I knew I was in trouble. He said, whenever we lost a game, I never stopped to get gasoline. Never. Because I knew that I was going to get an earful from the Steeler fans. Here's Mike Tomlin talking about the fans booing and chanting for him to get fired.

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In general, I agree with him. From this perspective, football is our game. We're in the sport entertainment business. And so if you root for the Steelers, entertaining them is winning. And so when you're not winning, it's not entertaining. And if you've been in this business, you understand that. And so I respect it. I share frustrations. I understand what makes this thing go, and winning is what makes this thing go.

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Okay, I respect that. Let me. Let me throw something out there, and there's nothing attached to this. The last thing I want to do is bring up any kind of rumor with Mike Tomlin, because I did that one time with USC's wish list that he was on the list. He had no interest in going there. I was just telling people this is how crazy, you know, they're. They're searching high and wide to get their next head coach. Okay, that was a while ago. What if Mike Tomlin and the Steelers parted ways? Mutual parting.

You know, who would call him right away?

The Cleveland Browns would call him right away.

There would be. The New York Giants would call. There would be a line of teams that would say, hey, we got our coach, but we can get that coach. And this might be a situation where Mike says, I'm going to do some tv. Maybe I do a couple of years here. He might find that he likes it an awful lot. He's not an old guy. Was he 54, maybe 55? But you could go into TV and maybe spend a couple years in there, and then you can pick and choose what you're. You know, where you want to go, where you want to live. How old is he, Paulie?

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He's 53.

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Okay, so that's young. But, you know, you're in a city that demands greatness because they've seen greatness. You've provided some of that greatness. They've just never been bad enough for him to lose his job. If you're always 9 and 8 or when they played 16 games, 8 and 8, you know, 9 and 7, you can keep your job. But getting into the playoffs, but not winning in the playoffs is unacceptable. When you haven't won a playoff game since 2016.

And you're the constant. That's where I think. And Ben Roethlisberger said, hey, they might have to look at cleaning house. This is from Ben. But imagine if. How would the Steeler fans feel if Tomlin went to the Browns? Because you can't rule that out. Feels like Kevin Stefanski is trying to coach for his job here. What if the Bengals brought him in? I mean, these are all scenarios that I think would be realistic. Yes, Mark, but if you're Mike Thomas.

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What would entice you to go to the Browns of all teams?

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Well, if you want to coach again and you could go in there, you got an unbelievable defense. Really? They. The Browns aren't that far away. I know it sounds crazy to say that, but, okay, you got to find your quarterback, and that's a big find. I. I get that. But if you get a couple of pieces, then all of a sudden with that defense, you're going to get people's attention. And. And he might look at that, or he might say, hey, look at the Bengals in that offense. Hey, I'll build a defense to go along with that offense. Maybe, you know, he just says, I'm going to go, you know, be a TV analyst, which, you know, he might like it. He might find out that, you know, Sean McVeigh is going to be a great analyst at some point. Probably gets one more Super Bowl, super bowl appearance, and then he's probably going to go, hey, I can go dominate, you know, in the broadcasting booth or a studio show. Yeah. Paulie.

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I want to say that Mike Tomlin should pass on all AFC north jobs that they come available, but if the Bengals job with a healthy Joe Burrow becomes available, I would make my pick based off the quarterback. And Browns, you know, you can't go to the Ravens. Not going to be open. But that Bengals job, if it did come open, oh, my gosh.

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What about the Giants?

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Yeah.

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What about the New York Giants? I mean, you got some players there. As long as Abdul Carter shows up at meetings, Jackson Dart gets out of bounds. Yeah. Seaton. Yeah.

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You know, that Bengals job is interesting. It's a good chance to win with somebody else's players. Step right into a good situation.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Would there be mutual interest with the Raiders or Dolphins in Mike Tomlin if.

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He wanted to stay in the AFC?

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And Mike McDaniel, he's. I know the Dolphins have been playing well lately, and the Raiders are a disaster, and they got a lot of rebuilding to do, but maybe this Pete.

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Carroll experiment is a one and done. Of course there would be interest. I mean, he's a Hall of Fame coach. Would he want to go to one of those teams? Oh, well, I don't know. I don't know Mike Tomlin at all. I don't think he's ever been on the show. He's been asked before, but he's never been on the show, I don't think. Yeah.

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Paul, you know how the analysts always say the next head coach you hire, you want to be the opposite of the one you're firing? Mike Tomlin is the opposite of the Miami Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel. I mean, he Is tough guy, to the point, gritty football guy. No nonsense. He's not. He doesn't look like the IT guy with the quirky statements.

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John in Philly. Hi, John. What's on your mind today?

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Hey, Dan, 6 foot 185.

As mentioning you were talking about Mike Tomlin and he would get, you know, his pick of the litter if he would ever get let go by the Steelers. And I as a Steelers fan, you know, I feel like he is a bit overrated in the sense of he's having like basically two separate careers. In the last 15 years he's won three playoff games and they were against Matt Moore, AJ McCarron and Alex Smith. Not the greatest resume in regards to postseason in the last 15 years.

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All right, well, thank you, John. I still think there'll be a lot of teams in line. He's an upgrade. He's an upgrade on those other coaches in those positions. The question is, what does he want? What's Pittsburgh going to do? I mean they got to find their quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback since Ben and you know, the defense isn't as formidable as it once was. Feels like they get receivers, they don't keep receivers.

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Yeah, Paulie, we were talking about a month ago, best state for football, worst day for football. The current state of football in the state of Pennsylvania. Now the Eagles are defending champs, but they don't feel like they're going back. Penn State is a real mess this week and the Steelers non threatening.

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Rich in South Dakota. Hi Rich, what's on your mind?

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Hey, Dan. 5, 9, 180. As a lifetime Nebraska fan, I feel like Penn State is mirroring what Nebraska did back in 2000 when they fired Solidge. I think Peterson, the ad thought, hey, I'm going to have a list of people I can choose from when I come in the office on Monday. And they had to settle for Bill Callahan and they haven't been relevant since. I think Penn State really needs to be careful with their next hire on there because they could be the next Nebraska football program.

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Thank you, Rich. Great reference. I thought Frank Solich was a really good head coach. And then Nebraska fires him. He goes to Ohio University. I thought he was a really good coach. I did. But yeah, Penn State, you know, national signing day. This is the kind of thing that reverberates not only this upcoming season, the season after that. And you're really going to have to dive into transfer portal. You're going to have to spend some money but. And maybe they have a game plan. I Have a couple of friends went to Penn State, and they're like, you wait and see. So every time there's news that somebody's not going to Penn State, I'll go. I'm still waiting to see. And then you had Kalani Sataki, the BYU coach who said no to Penn State. So I'm going to keep an eye on that, as we all will. Ken in Ohio. Hi, Ken. What's on your mind today?

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Good morning, Dan. Best to all of the boys in the icu Ward. I hope you all get feeling better soon. Got a couple, I guess I have a comment about this whole Lane Kiffin thing. I think the best thing that could happen to Lane is that nobody wants to sign with him because the man lacks character. You know, we hear all the time how coaches are trying to build men out of young men and form, formulate their. Their character and who they're going to be. And if I'm a senior wanting to sign or somebody to move, why would I want to go to a coach that he can't make up his own mind? He's as committed to anything, and his character's in question.

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Ken, maybe 40 years ago, I. I'd buy into that. Maybe 30 years ago, maybe 20 years ago, not now. These kids are going. They want their nil. They want to know if they're playing, hey, can that guy get me to the next level, get me to the pros? I don't think there's any loyalty. I don't think there's any allegiance. I don't think it's. I'm building men, you know? Yeah. I'm. I'm building their character. I mean, this all sounds good from yesteryear, in a different generation. It's just not applicable now. Yeah. Seaton.

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Well, I think if we're going by. Is his name Ken?

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Yeah.

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I think, Ken, if the only way to build character is through being a perfect person, then no one's building any character, you know? So I think that Lane Kiffin might be bringing kids in and helping develop them into young men. That doesn't mean that everything he's gonna do in his life is perfect. That doesn't mean that he now has to stay at this one place or he will forever be a hypocrite or some type of moralist, characterless guy.

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Yeah.

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He got a chance to jump to a marquee job. He's striking while the iron's hot. It's something that he's done his entire career. He's done that every single step of the way. This isn't anything new for him or for pretty much any coach that's out there right now. So I think that we got to chill a little bit with the this guy's got no spine and he's a turd kind of talk.

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Like easy dude. Don't know if he's been described that way.

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Well, that was the subtext of what Ken was Subtext. Yeah, I read into it.

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Yes, Marvin, he was described as something.

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Else over the weekend, but I'm not going to say it on air.

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But.

Bro. All right, we'll take a break.

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It rhymes with bro.

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I mean, I would like to do a dramatic show. We get Monday Night Football. We get The Tuesday CFP ranking show. It's hard to bring that gravitas to that, man. It's hard to lay the drama on with those kind of promos. I kind of wish we had even like Dancing with the Stars. I mean you don't get a lot of opportunities.

[C]

All right. Your initial reaction to the rankings was.

[A]

What Notre Dame's worried. I actually just spoke to Marcus Freeman about some other things. But you know, them dropping down a spot, Alabama beating Auburn, a tough rivalry game, great win for them, but not an overwhelming performance as some Notre Dame people nervous. Hey, these games are all interconnected on Saturday in ways that not everybody fully understands. In ways we haven't quite seen before. Okay, so you get that Big 12 championship game. People are going to be closely watching whether Texas Tech beats BYU for a second time if that happens. I know what the Commissioner of Day 12 says, but I think BYU's case would be really damaged. Both losses will be the Texas tech, but a second loss would. BYU's resume would be probably be fatal in my view based on what the committee has done. If they win that game, Texas Tech's not going to fall out of the bracket and BYU would be Big 12 champions. That would make a lot of people sweat. The ACC championship game, you know, a seven win Duke team wins a six way tie break. I have no idea what's how the ACC determines the tie break. They maybe should consider going forward just using the CFP rankings which would have Miami in that game clearly a better team than most of those teams they're tied with with those two conference losses. But if Duke wins, Dan, then I guaranteed anything. The acc, Virginia is solid if they went. But if Duke pulls a mild upset and I think they got a chance to do that, what are you going to do? I mean, is the SEC going to be totally left out of this bracket? Politically that'd be tricky. But the champion would be guaranteed nothing in Miami maybe isn't at large team might help their case. We don't know because some of this stuff is unprecedented.

[C]

How much does brand play in this? Do you think in the minds of the committee that Notre Dame's brand, how important is that?

[A]

Yes, your viewers, they would say it's everything. I mean they think that ESPN is pulling the strings. We want the biggest brands. I promise you we play no part in that. And I don't know in the committee's mind if it plays a part. People just sort of assume that Notre Dame is an elite program when they have 10 wins. It must be a really great team. And I think this is a really good team, but I think you'd have to go member by member and really get them to give them some truth serum and ask them if it matters. Notre Dame, Miami versus BYU or somebody else. I mean, I think statements have been made where non big brand teams have been given the Nod. You know, SMU was in there. TCU got into a 14 bracket when they made the championship game. I mean, I think you could shoot down the arguments that, oh, it's always the same teams. Alabama didn't jump up because they're Alabama. I think they jumped up because the question of excluding a team that makes the SEC championship game and then loses after beating Georgia on the road in the regular season is pretty tricky. Right? Even though that would be the first free loss team to get in, Alabama wouldn't be in because it's a big brand. In my opinion, you're never gonna, like, dissuade the conspiracy theorists because they're everywhere. But that's just my view.

[C]

What is Penn State doing?

[A]

Oh, you're not comfortable. If you're a Penn State fan waiting, like 53 days after firing your coach, then I have another one in place when all the teams around you are going boom, boom, boom, Deal, done deal. Done deal, done. Including Michigan State, which I. I don't know how long they took. Like, I mean, they got their guy in Fitzgerald. We'd been mentioned at Penn State. I don't know what they're doing. I think fans get really nervous in this modern landscape. Today's signing day. The portal is coming up. Penn State's a really attractive job. It's a challenging job. As you know. It's the. It's the deep end of the pool in the Big Ten competing with the.

[C]

With the.

[A]

With the dollars and the commitment made by Ohio State, Michigan and the west coast schools. I think Penn State fans would say, wait a minute. We take a back seat to no one in terms of commitment and resources. And that's what makes it a pretty good job. But I don't know what the hesitation has been. I mean, you know, James Franklin gets fired. He's already got his next job, and I think he's taken four commands to Virginia Tech. And that's. That's the concern, you know, in this modern era, Daniel, People don't really fully understand this. It's really the roster that is the asset for the program. The coaches are very important because the coach has to play a big part in assembling the roster and then creating the culture where you get These mercenary guys out of the portal who actually will blend and match as a team. I'm not downplaying that. But when you talk about a program of the money people that pay for the roster and hire these consultants that pay millions to help them assemble a roster, assign a value to this guy, they know, hey, this defensive back at UAB has this analytical grade on every single play of his season. Here's his rating as a player. Here's how we would fit our program, here's what we should pay him. They have that information to work with for virtually every guy in college football. It's crazy. I've seen the graphs on each player. And so when those guys make those investments in the roster, that's what their ego tied to. That's what they're invested in, literally financially and ego wise. And the roster almost becomes more important to keep than the coach, if you know what I mean. Because you get, they figure get a guy to coach this roster. But assembling this roster and paying what we've invested, you think the coaches are well paid. These rosters are like 20, 25, 30 million bucks. That's not really talked about enough. You better. It's like pro sports, right? You cover and be. The roster is really bigger than the coach.

[C]

Talking to Chris Fowler. He'll be on the call. The SEC title game. That'll be at 4 Eastern Saturday on ABC. Also the Heisman Trophy ceremony December 13th and also the national title game as well. Kiffin to lsu. More about Lane Kiffin or the hiring structure windows of college football?

[A]

Well, the schedule's a problem, but that doesn't, that's not his reason for going to lsu. If you want to be mad at Lane Kiffin bailing, oh, no, miss, go ahead. The schedule's fault. The schedule sets up to create messy situations, right? You can't have signing day, the playoff and the portal basically compressed within one month, all coinciding, coming and going all the time. The coaching carousel is only going to spin more and more because what I was talking about with the rosters, you can't limit this roster. We'll get someone who can. So that's not going to change going forward. We're going to have a messy situation every year. They could clean up some of it by maybe a more logical schedule. That's a longer conversation. You know, Kiffin did what most coaches would do. Kiffin did what Pete Carroll and Nick Saban told him to do, basically. And what or advised him to do, I'll put it that way, and what he thought his dad, late dad Monty, would have wanted him to do. And LSU has resources. They've won championships with three coaches. Ole Miss, I think he could do it there, too, but it's more of a leap of faith. I like Lane at Ole Miss. I'm disappointed for their program. I hope they make a nice run in the playoff with Pete Golding as coach. But Lane is not the villain who's symbolic of everything wrong with the sport. Fans are going to think that they're going to root for LSU to lose every game by 50, which they won't, by the way. But, you know, he did what most coaches would do. And I think the old narrative about ripping players or coaches for making business decisions, in other words, taking more money to go somewhere else, you got to get past that. That's outdated. It's kind of tired and lazy. To me, it's the reality of the situation. You'd be mad about it. You can say college football has been ruined by the portal, by espn, whoever you want, but that's just whining and bitching. Coaches no longer do that. They understand the nature of things, and I think fans need to as well. It's not your grandfather's college football. Your dad's either. It is what it is, like it or not. It's very, very close to the structure of pro sports.

[C]

Yeah, I've said it quite a few times the last couple of days. I don't begrudge him for taking the job. It's a great job to take. It's sort of the way he took it and the mess that he left behind. And you want to go back and coach, but all. They won't let me coach and, you know, don't play victim here. Don't. Don't do that.

[A]

I said he's not the villain. He's not a victim. You can't want to coach the team. You go to an arch rival. If you don't know, folks, that's a bitter rivalry that he left Ole Miss for. For a school that. That LSU considers Ole Ms. Their little brother. And the neighborly thing there, I mean, you can't. You can't have both. And. And at most schools would do what? What Ole Miss. I know Tulane is at least summer, all state. That's a whole different situation. They're not in the playoff yet. You know, they have to. They have some work to do. But I think that I don't begrudge Ole Miss. I feel badly for their players. I really do. That's why I think. I hope they make A nice run. It'd be a great story if Ole Miss could say, hell with Kevin. We're going to rally around Pete Golding and go make a run there.

[C]

But.

[A]

But, you know, and I like Lane. I think he's been the best coach he's ever been by far at Ole Miss the last six years and the happiest person that he's been. So that. That, to me, that's why it's a little bit bittersweet. But I, you know, he's a good hire at lsu. Got a great chance to win a championship. I said in a video I posted, he's going to get fired.

[C]

At lsu, he's gonna.

[A]

They fire everybody. Unless you're Nick Saban. Saban wins and goes to the Dolphins. He probably would have kept winning had he stayed there. Nick Saban is kind of an outlier, right? But LSU fires two coaches who win championships not that far after they won him Miles the Orange Run. So even if you win a championship down there and then you fall off, because maintaining consistent excellence in this landscape with the Portal is really, really hard to do. So you're going to have a big year and expectation is going to be through the roof, and then you're going to. You're going to let it down, and then nobody's patient. So I think whatever Lane does there, it'll be probably messy when it ends. His exits tend to be messy and even acknowledged that. Right. But some guys just make a clean break and off the next and nobody gets mad at him. Lane, when Lane leaves, it gets messy.

[C]

It's just, you know, Lane talked about the Nick Saban advising him. Should Saban on college game day this weekend acknowledge that he was guiding him or told him to leave Ole Miss? As Lane Kiffin is talking, should. Should he be saying that since he's on the premier college, you know, football program and you're the most. One of the most powerful people and you are guiding Lane Kiffin to take the LSU job. Should that have been disclosed or will it be disclosed?

[A]

Will it be disclosed? I have no idea. But you think I should advise Nick Saban on what to tell people?

[C]

Well, if I'm Rhys Davis, I got to ask the question, Chris.

[A]

Well, no, I think he didn't tell him to leave Ole Miss to clarify that. He just laid out for him what his opinion was of the opportunity to win a national championship at either places, as I understand it. So. And he wouldn't be the only one to lay out that argument. Again, as I said, it's been done In LSU by three different coaches. Not that. Not. Not that much time. And it hasn't been done at Ole Miss. I think that that's a little bit less relevant in the modern system because you can win a championship at Texas Tech. They might do it. I mean, they're not favored to, but they're capable of winning a championship. You know, look, TCU got to the championship game. Ole Miss can make a deep run. I don't think you have to be one of the biggest brands, because you can. You can spend like the big brands did. That's what Texas Tech has done. And the path in the Big 12 is. Is less rugged than other conferences. But I don't think Ole Miss would be incapable of winning a national championship.

[C]

He's advising him. This is Lane saying that. He's the one who said you got to take the job.

[A]

Pete Carroll advice.

[C]

Yeah, but Saban's the guy who is doing college football. He throwing game day.

[A]

I think Saban wisdom is. Is massively respected by every single coach in the business, including Lane, of course, who work for him. So I. I think that, you know, offline, what conversation they had, that's. That's for Nick to share or not. But, you know, I think he. I think Nick coach at lsu, won a championship at LSU and does care about the program, and I think he's well acquainted with the landscape down there, the challenges of it. Again, he won and then went to the Dolphins, which didn't make LSU fans that happy. Made him even more unhappy when he came back and coached Alabama and then beat him. So, I mean, Nick. Nick. Nick and LSU have an interesting relationship, but he did win a championship, and he's acknowledged as the greatest coach of all time, I think, by their people. So, I don't know. I think you can't put it on that, you know, Lane made his own choice. You get advice from whoever you want. You take it to whatever degree you want, and. And you use it. But you can't. You can't say that he's the reason that Lane made his decision.

[C]

No.

I mean, I thought it was conflict of interest there because he's on that.

[A]

Because he's on game day. If you had any idea. If you had any idea the number of calls that you field from people in the sport, asking your opinion and advice on coaches, on everything. I mean, you have to really. Nick. Nick is not my position. I. You know, if you're. If you're on the panel as a. As a pundit, I think it's different. Nick is still an all time great coach, the connections all over the sport and a coach at the place we're talking about. That's not the same thing as, as somebody calling Reese or Des or Kirk or me or in whatever, Pat McAfee. You know, it's. It's different. I, I get ask those questions all the time. I'm not comfortable with it and I try to stay out of it because my opinion of whether a guy would be a good coach fit at their place should not be factored into the decision that somebody makes, in my view. I just try to stay out of that.

[C]

How dangerous is Georgia? They seem to be lost in the shuffle here of, you know, when we're talking about great. I don't know if they're a great team, but how do you assess how good they are this year compared to what Kirby's had in, you know, previous years?

[A]

Not as talented as those teams that won championships that had like the whole Philadelphia Eagles defense on them. They, they had like eight first round guy. That was ridiculous. You're not going to ever see a defense as good as Georgia had in those years, in my opinion. The way we're trending in this sport. They find ways though, Dan. I mean, Kirby knows how to get a team to hit its stride at this part of the season. And that's priceless because that's the thing that coaches struggle with. It comes from the physicality, the toughness that you learn from day one. You get to Georgia, they're really banged up. Their center, Drew Bobo is out. I don't think he's going to be able to go again. He's certainly not playing Saturday. And to lose your center is a really tough loss. Everybody's beat up. Alabama's walking wounded, but. But Georgia is, is a tough, tough out. They're hard to kill, as they like to say. And being hard to kill is really priceless in the postseason. I mean, they're just like that NFL team, you know, you could. You go home like the Chiefs, right? It doesn't matter the regular. You get them in that bracket and you don't want to play them. I mean, nobody wants to play Georgia. I mean, they're, they're a tough out. Are they going to overwhelm you offensively? No. Are they going to allow. You allow three points a game on defense? No. They've been a little bit more vulnerable, especially early in games. But the way they're playing defense now, where they played against Georgia Tech, I don't expect a scoring fest against Alabama. Georgia is going to Be hard to beat and it'll be interesting to see where they, you know, get matched up. But I know no one wants to see them opposite your team in the bracket.

[C]

Great to catch up with you. State's fired up now. Come on, this the biggest time of the year. This is when you got to perform.

[A]

Chris, do I not look fired up today?

[C]

You do. You do.

[A]

But. But. But what? Not.

[C]

I don't know. Did you get a lift in today?

[A]

You know, I didn't get. I didn't get a cold plunge in. I did three minutes at 38 degrees in the backyard. But we got the landscape. I can't get out there yet. But once they get the co punch, we'll get a lift. I don't know. I'm sorry. I didn't. I.

[C]

You didn't.

[A]

You didn't feel I was fired up, but I'm fired up. Don't get me wrong.

[C]

I don't know. Every day's super bowl for me. I mean, I'm on my deathbed here. I mean, I'm barely able to talk, but I mean, you know this.

[A]

You play hurt. I will. I will. I have a. Nobody cares. But I have knee surgery on Monday. So I'll get through that. I'll be at the Heisman. You got to do what you got to do, and you're a great example of that.

[C]

So.

[A]

I'll talk to you. Have a great holiday.

[C]

Thank you, Chris. That's Chris Fowler. He's tough. He'll be on the call for the SEC title game coming up this weekend. I think I had shoulder surgery and came in. I did that Friday, came in Monday. I mean, just saying. Colonoscopy. Sports hernia did that. Came back the next day. So if we're going to run down the resume.

Hashtag warrior. Yes, Paul. Yeah.

[F]

You would think that Fowler would schedule the surgery for the off season. A nice March surgery between tennis events. But no, that's a warrior, too.

[C]

Okay. All right. I appreciate that. Every day. Super Bowl. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back after this. More phone calls as well. Also, the hall of Fame class. The finalists are revealed. And we'll have that for you coming up right after this.

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That's wolftactical.com I mention this every time I have Chris Fowler on. I think he's great at what he does, whether it's calling college football, calling tennis. He is great. He's always Been a professional since I've known him. And I think we get caught up sometimes. Where do you have a signature call? And he does it. He was never a gimmick, catchphrase guy. He just does his job, you know, like Sean McDonough. They just do their job and they do it at a really, really high level. All right, among the finalists for the hall of Fame, Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft. Other finalists in the seniors category, Ken Anderson, former Bengal quarterback who should be in the hall of Fame. Roger Craig should be in the hall of Fame. Elsie Greenwood, part of the Steel Curtain. A maximum of three from the five person group can be elected to the hall of Fame this year. Now, is that the senior category that we're talking about, Paulie?

[F]

Yeah, this is a bit separate from the normal thing like Eli Manning or Philip Rivers and guys like this. This is a different category and a max one has to go in. A max of three can go in.

[C]

Okay, but why aren't Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick part of the regular hall of Fame activities?

[F]

I don't know. I think this is just separate from the traditional players who hit the five year mark.

[C]

Okay.

[F]

LC Greenwood, by the way, with the Steelers. I looked it up six Pro Bowls in the 70s and he was on the hall of Fame. All 70s team.

[C]

Yeah. He got overshadowed because there are quite a few great defensive players. Linebackers, defensive backs, and of course, Mean Joe Green. But Kenny Anderson was a great player for a bad team. And just him getting recognized is. I mean, I'm happy for that, but I've been saying that Kenny Anderson to me, is a Hall of Famer. Evan in Oregon. Hi, Evan. What's on your mind today?

[G]

Just sending home a 12 pound ball.

[C]

Thank you, Evan. Paulie wants to play a fill in the blank. I guess we have a coaching hire that just happened.

[F]

Yeah, Dan, here it is. According to Pete Thamel of espn, Ohio State offensive coordinator Brian Hartline is expected to be the next head coach at Blank blank.

[C]

Penn State? Nope.

[F]

South Florida. Usf. Your Bulls.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

That's the Penn State of Florida.

[C]

Yes, clearly Penn State of the South.

[E]

So, I mean, you were technically correct.

[C]

I kind of was. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. Well, I thought he was going to get an opportunity. All right. You know, good for him. They'll get good wide receivers there. Brett in California. Hi, Brett. What's on your mind?

[G]

No, I've been thinking about this Lane Kiffin thing. I had a friend call me a couple weeks ago. He said, I want to quit my job. I don't want to give two weeks notice. I feel bad about it. And I said, is this the same job where they laid people off and they showed up at work and they locked him out of the office, said that they could go 15 minutes at their desk and then take their things and leave? He said, yeah. I said, these guys don't owe you anything. You know, they don't respect you. And you look at somebody like James Franklin, he's almost, you know, one step away from a national championship game, and then he's out the door. So is the situation great?

[C]

No.

[G]

But if you're in a situation where they can ask you to leave at any moment, then you should be able to do the same.

[C]

Yeah, but they also get a big payday. They get paid their contract. When you leave your job, you don't get paid. It's like you get two weeks, maybe you get severance. James Franklin got paid. Brian Kelly got paid. These guys don't feel sorry for them. They get paid. Which Update the poll results there, Seaton.

[E]

Yeah, we got a couple of them up there.

Hold, please. Hold, please.

[C]

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If you were on the College Football Playoff committee, which rationale would be most important whilst ranking teams, a team's resume, their chance to win or teams good for ratings? Right now, team good for ratings has 3.1% of the vote. Okay, almost not. The team's resume is just absolutely crushing on that one. And then. Are you comfortable with the current college Football Ranking System? 73% of the audience say no.

[C]

Mm. Okay.

I'm okay with it. Do I like it? No. But do I? We've made a lot of progress here in the last 15 years. Yes.

[E]

It's like college football has this element of, like, gymnastics in it or have ice skating or something where there's sort of, you know, in that there's the technical ability, but then there's also the artistic merit. College football, you have to win with a certain amount of artistry. You have to have the right wins at the right time to have satisfy the right people, the judges.

[C]

Well, you have artistry. You have all of that, but you also have who won in lost as well. That you throw in to the equation there. We'll talk some more. Football and a must win Thursday night for the Cowboys and the lions. Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap.

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