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Peter King (3:08)

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on FOX Sports Radio Hour 2 on this Tuesday Dan and the Danites Dan Patrick Show. Come on in, stay a while, spend a lot of time, maybe too much time, talking about one report that came out about Shador Sanders being arrogant and brash in one of the interviews at the combine. Also, we have a couple of draft analysts, including Matt Miller from the Mothership. He'll join us. He said the following that he hasn't heard anyone talk with conviction about Shador as quarterback, one in the top 10 or even as a first rounder. He'll explain coming up in about 20 minutes from now. While we were having this conversation about Shador Sanders and is it kind of a smear campaign or keep in mind it's only one team that said this off the record, so you don't even know which team feels this way. Peter King got a hold of Fritzi. Peter will join us coming up here in a moment and get his thoughts on this conversation. 8773 DP show email address dp@danpatrick.com Twitter handle @dp Show warriors at the Knicks coming up tonight. Kyrie Irving got injured last night. The same day the Mavs decided to raise ticket prices, the Thunder dropped the Rockets. Shay Gilgis Alexander goes for 50 again, fourth time this year. You can't spell tag without T. The Bengals have tagged T. Higgins and I don't think he's too happy about that. He hired, I believe, Jamar Chase's agent. So how about that? Maybe I don't you're not going to get a bargain because Jamar Chase is probably feels like he's going to want a number in the starts with a four with his contract. And it goes back to these owners when if you make the move earlier, you save yourself from making a bigger mistake later. Look at the Cowboys could have signed up Dak earlier. Now you got Michael Parsons and his number is going to probably start with a 4. They already had to overspend with CD Lamb because they waited. And I'm sure that there's, you know, salary cap issues or timing issues, all of that, but it feels like owners wait. If Micah Parsons is a sure thing, then can you pay him something commensurate to what Miles Garrett gets or, you know, T.J. watt? Now he's going to want more than those guys. CD Lamb, could you have gotten him for a little less? I believe so. Dak Prescott, I think Dak Prescott's cap hit or number is like $90 million this upcoming season. Like something like crazy. And he's the highest paid quarterback. Feels like you could have gotten that done earlier. If you're going to sign him, then sign him earlier. It's not like you go, you know what, let me wait one more year. Now I agree, Kyler Murray, I would have waited one more year. Like there's quarterbacks that I go, I'd like to see one more year with you. Yeah, Paulie, you exaggerated a little bit.

Todd Fritz (6:17)

Dan Prescott's cap hit is 89,900,000.

Peter King (6:22)

Damn.

Julie Stewart-Banks (6:23)

Very vaguely.

Peter King (6:25)

But I'm sure that, you know, Jerry Jones, brilliant businessman, that he can, he can rectify this. I mean, Michael Parsons, I think he's going to want a four. Jamar Chase is going to want to four. But I mean, that second contract, if you've decided or you go, you know what, that guy's probably the best receiver in the game, then why don't you sign him up? But you almost get the feeling these owners like, damn, that guy turned out to be really good and now I got to pay him. Micah Parsons is really good. Now I got to pay him. Jamar Chase, he turned out to be really good. But these guys, these non quarterbacks, man, oh man, oh man, they are creeping up, creeping up on the quarterbacks there. All right, 8, 7, 7, 3. DP show email address DP danpatrick.com Twitter handle DP show seat and poll question for hour two is going to be what?

Todd Fritz (7:28)

Let me update you here on our.

Peter King (7:30)

One first, Dan, which percentage of pre draft news do you believe your options are? 100%, 75, 50 or 25? All right, people, 53% of the audience believe 25% of the news. All right, well, you do try to separate fact from fiction, but you know, that's difficult sometimes even when you're a great reporter like Peter King. Peter King, formerly with NBC Sports and the Monday morning quarterback and, well, retirement. And now look at him, a contributor to the Dan Patrick show here, not scheduled, but great seeing You, Pete, what riled you up, Dan?

Todd Fritz (8:12)

I was just walking the dog. I was just walking Chuck here in Brooklyn and I was listening to your show with all of the folderol around Shedeur Sanders. And I don't know, I just wanted to address a few things and I said to Todd, said, happy to talk to Dan off the air. But I mean, there's just a few things, like for instance, wearing the hat backwards. The coach of the year in the NFL this year was Dan Quinn. He wears his hat backwards. I think it looks a little bit 21ish, but that's the way Dan Quinn likes to wear his hat. Who cares? That's one. Number two, Deion Sanders. I remember this specifically in 1989 when he was in the draft and he came out like gangbusters, prime time, cover of si, you know, being very, very counter NFL culture. And over the years, one of the things that I grew to respect incredibly about Deion Sanders is that he knew that a cornerback in the NFL was not going to make Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders money unless he wasn't just your average everyday great player in, in the draft. And so he made himself into something that he knew would make him more money and he was smart. And look, I have no idea. I didn't go to the combine. I don't cover the NFL right now, so I don't know anything. Okay? I just know this, that the Shadow Sanders who met with teams at the combine, he probably, probably can basically play the game the way he and his dad think is best for him. Like, let's just say that Dion and Shador believe that, oh, don't go to Cleveland, man. It is a graveyard. And so when you go into Cleveland, when you go into your meeting with Cleveland, you don't have to say, oh, man, I'd love to go to Cleveland. Here's what I'll do. I'm going to help you change your culture, all that. Suppose he's just a little bit passive and. Or you seem like he seems like he doesn't care. And again, look, I come from the stance that I know nothing other than what I've read a little bit on social media, and I don't. So I don't have any firsthand knowledge of this. And Dan, I think the one last thing I would say is that, you know, you talk about guys who are arrogant, maybe, and you talk about, you know, like a Marino or Brady. You know, you can be any way you want when you win. Yeah, any way you want. And there's something about the Fire from Dan Marino. You know, the day I covered in 91 or 92, maybe 95, I forget when it was. Dan Marino broke Fran Tarkinson's all time record for passing yards in his career and they lost the game. Harvey Green, the PR guy, goes up to Dan Marino after the game and says here, hands him a stat sheet from the game, figuring that he said, you know, I figure you might want to have this keepsake. And Marino looks at, he goes, you know, and he wasn't being a jerk to Harvey Green. He just said, we just lost the effing football game. I don't give two blanks about stats and about records, you know, and so those things are okay, but all I'm saying is that, and is that the narrative? You know, I think the player has a chance to control before the draft. And has anybody thought that maybe Shador Sanders is just trying to control his own narrative?

Peter King (12:29)

Yeah, I mentioned that maybe he doesn't want to go to Cleveland. If that's the team, we don't know the team. And maybe he's like, hey, I can be arrogant because I don't want you to draft me. You know, there's agendas. We understand that. And you know, as reporters, I'm sure you're fed information sometimes by somebody who has an agenda and whether you see through it or not. But, you know, who benefits from Shador Sanders falling out of the first round? A couple other quarterbacks could benefit from that, or a team may want to get him at a cheaper price. You know how this works, Pete. You did it for over 40 years where people have agendas. And maybe that's what it is. But you know, to be called arrogant is that, that's, that's we're okay with cocky, confident, brash, arrogant. Arrogant probably, you know, sounds some alarms for, for people, teams.

Todd Fritz (13:21)

Dan, you know what I remember before the 20, I guess it was 2010 draft, that was the Cam Newton draft, right. Or was it 2011? Whatever it was. But I remember I interviewed Newton, who was on a little bit of a press tour, and at one point during the interview, he said to me, I want to be not just a great quarterback, but, you know, I want to be an entertainer. And he used some other that, that you say, well, you know, boy, imagine a guy who wants to be drafted very high in the draft saying the other word was icon. I just remembered it. I want to be an icon and an entertainer. Yeah, well, you know, and again, I'm not, I'm not saying that that should be the death Knell and certainly wasn't. He was the first overall pick in the draft. But I put out on Twitter and I wrote some teams are not going to like a quarterback saying I want to be an icon and an entertainer. They're just not. So some of the stuff that you know, you have to ask yourself, if you were in an interview, a 15 minute interview with Deion Sanders and he is either passive or looking at his watch or it seems like he doesn't care, a lot of people would say, don't pay any attention to that. Just look at his body of work. Well, hang on a minute. Are you the one who's going to stake the future of your franchise on a guy you're just really not too sure about? And I'm not suggesting that people should or they shouldn't. I'm just simply saying you'd be, you'd be naive to think that that doesn't go into the pot of what you consider doing with that pick and that it shouldn't go in to it. Because I think all things should go in, into the mixing bowl. When you consider what you do.

Peter King (15:17)

Anytime you get riled up, Pete, you can always call in. Okay, I'll give you an outlet.

Todd Fritz (15:22)

All right, Dan, that sounds like fun.

Peter King (15:24)

Thank you, Peter. That's the hall of Famer Peter King joining us. Glad we could entertain Pete when he's on his walk here now in semi retirement. Let's see. Kevin in Austin. Hi, Kevin. What's on your mind today, D.P. kevin, I'll get to the point a.

Dan Patrick (15:44)

Little quicker than Eduardo here. Peter basically stole my thunder. It's all conjecture with Shador stuff and all that stuff. Just watch the tape like Sean McVeigh said yesterday.

Julie Stewart-Banks (15:55)

But the real question I want to.

Dan Patrick (15:57)

Pose to the group, and especially to the minister of humor, is could you imagine if there was a combine for sportsbookers and Todd had 15 minutes to explain himself?

Julie Stewart-Banks (16:10)

He would come off a tad arrogant and a little talky.

Peter King (16:15)

Okay, thank you, Kevin. I don't know about arrogance.

Julie Stewart-Banks (16:18)

Certainly long winded and not getting to the point.

Peter King (16:20)

That's true.

Julie Stewart-Banks (16:20)

Arrogant.

Peter King (16:21)

Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't think you're. Although sometimes if we push your buttons a little bit, then you know, you're very cocky.

Julie Stewart-Banks (16:29)

I'll start reciting my resume.

Peter King (16:31)

Yes.

Julie Stewart-Banks (16:31)

People I've worked with, places I've been.

Dan Patrick (16:32)

I might do that a little bit.

Peter King (16:34)

Hawk in Phoenix. Hi, Hawk. What's on your mind?

Julie Stewart-Banks (16:39)

And.

Peter King (16:44)

Hawk can't, can't hear you. David in Oklahoma. Hi, David. What's on Your mind today. Hey, David.

Julie Stewart-Banks (16:54)

What's up, Dan? I'm from the Oklahoma State University and I would like to say it's nice to hear Paul Harvey's voice on the radio this morning. It's been a while since I heard that guy, but as far as standards and a lifelong Raider fan since 82, I'd take him. I mean, the drama we bring anyways with like Henry Ruggs and Gruden and.

Peter King (17:14)

Everything else we have might as well.

Julie Stewart-Banks (17:16)

Like what else we haven't won in 25 years. Might as well start from scratch and.

Dan Patrick (17:20)

Bring all that swag, all that deep in it. Prime time.

Julie Stewart-Banks (17:24)

Why not, man?

Dan Patrick (17:25)

Make it exciting in Vegas.

Julie Stewart-Banks (17:26)

Like we ain't got nothing else to do.

Peter King (17:28)

There's no one on the free agent market that we can use as a bridge quarterback.

Julie Stewart-Banks (17:31)

And we've done that for 10 years, 15 years now. I mean, might as well keep.

Peter King (17:36)

Go. Go ahead and throw it all out.

Todd Fritz (17:37)

There and move up.

Peter King (17:38)

Well, you might get that opportunity to get Shador, because after that, you know, Vikings aren't going to franchise Sam Darnold. He's going to be out there. Aaron Rodgers needs a home. Atlanta says they're keeping Kirk Cousins, which I get that Kirk will be a wonderful mentor of all the quarterbacks. Now he's getting guaranteed money, too. That helps. He's going to be a really, really, really expensive mentor. But, you know, is Daniel Jones going to be available? It starts to get a, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo starts to get a little dry when it comes to the quarterback market there. That's why Cam Ward and Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart, Jalen Miller are probably more highly regarded than they should be, but the market bears that out. There are no quarterbacks and you got teams that need quarterbacks. I don't know if Cam Ward's a franchise quarterback, but it certainly feels like he's going to be treated as such and maybe goes number one overall. I don't know if Shador Sanders is a franchise quarterback. I can only go by and. And the person that I speak to who's an NFL scout, he said he would probably have a better opinion next week, do his due diligence. Because I did reach out to him this morning. I'm like, where's this coming from? And then he viewed it as, this is just sort of the. This week it's this guy. Next week it's going to be that guy. Next week it's going to be that guy. And it could be Shador, then it could be Cam, then it could be Travis Hunter. Oh, do you want a guy who's going to play, you know, demands to play both ways or you have to pay him to salary? You know, these are the things that are going to come up. Cam Ward. Why did he go to three different schools? I mean, whatever it is, there's going to be a narrative here where they try to break you down a little bit. And it happens every year and it happens usually to quarterbacks. We'll take a break. Coming up, we'll talk to Matt Miller from the Mothership. He sent a note to Fritzy saying that that he has not heard anyone talk with conviction about Shador Sanders even being a first rounder. So we'll talk to Matt how he came to that conclusion after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows@foxsportsradio.com and within the iHeartRadio app.

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Peter King (25:22)

More phone calls coming up. 877-3DP Show EME we had some comments that Trevor Sikama, he is the lead draft analyst at Pro Football Focus and he sent Fritzi some talking points saying that he has not heard anyone talk with conviction about Shador Sanders being a QB one in the top 10 or even as a first rounder. We attributed that to Matt Miller, ESPN NFL Draft Analyst. So Matt, I don't know. Why don't you tell us how you feel about Chador Sanders? Do you think he'll be a first round quarterback?

Dan Patrick (26:00)

You can attribute that to me. I've heard all the same things. I think all of us have, especially coming out of the combine, Dan, where you all kind of everybody goes to the same three restaurants in Indianapolis and talks late at night. We're all kind of hearing the same stuff, but I would agree with that. I think it's hard to find a team right now that says, yeah, that's our guy. You're crazy. And I just put an article out last week before the combine or during the combine actually, and it was ranking the quarterbacks from the past five years. Fedor Sanders was second to last. Kenny Pickett was the only quarterback with a lower grade than him coming into the NFL. So that is, that is in line with what I've seen watching the tape over the last two Years. It's what I hear talking to as many scouts and coaches and general managers as I do this time of year. A lot of people want to like Shador Sanders. I don't get the, the feeling that teams love him, not the way that they do Cam Ward. There's a sizable gap right now to where, like, it's, I think you could easily say this year there is a consensus number one quarterback, which is rare. That doesn't often happen. Even last year with all the Caleb Williams love. There are teams that like Jaden Daniels. There are teams that like Drake. May we have a true consensus number one quarterback this year, and it's Cam Ward from Miami.

Peter King (27:07)

Okay, is this just football that we're talking about with Shador Sanders now? Cam Ward, we can get to him in a moment, but is there a smear campaign with Shador Sanders or are people just being honest with the talent or, you know, performance that they saw?

Dan Patrick (27:24)

So I think it's both. I do think that it's, it's about football. He is 6 foot 1. He put on some weight for the combine. He got up to £212. He played closer to £200. He doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not the greatest athlete I know for folks who didn't watch Colorado play, he might be Deion Sanders son, but he got his mom's feet right. He's not, he's not a 4:3 athlete and, but he is incredibly tough and he's incredibly accurate and he's, he's willing to stand in the pocket and make some plays. I do think on the other side of that is there are going to be people that are going to see players differently. I've talked to young scouts who loved their interviews with Shador Sanders. I've talked to older scouts and general managers who were put off by him. And I think that's going to be the case for a lot of the new era of athlete coming into the NFL where guys are making millions of dollars in college football now. It has prepared them for life a little differently. And so I think you are going to get a disconnect. I tend to not put a ton of stock into those quotes from Scouts and GMs of, oh, we, we didn't like this interview. It's different if everyone tells you the same thing. I remember asking about Will Levis and everyone I talked to said the same thing, was like, this guy is just like pent up. Like he's trying to be a perfectionist. He's not smooth. He's not fluid. The conversations feel like he's going to have a heart attack. Well, guess what? He plays the same way on the football field. So that's when I think it matters, is when those interviews match with a play style. Shador is a hell of a player. There's just. There's not that love for him out there right now in the NFL.

Peter King (28:53)

Is Cam Ward being elevated? Because there is no competition. So he might.

Dan Patrick (28:59)

Absolutely.

Peter King (29:00)

Okay. Yeah.

Dan Patrick (29:01)

Yeah, absolutely. If we were talking about last year's drafts, Cam Ward would have been the sixth or seventh guy drafted, probably at quarterback, not overall at quarterback. And that might still make you a top 10 pick. Right. Because those guys flew off the board last year. But I do think he's being elevated. It is interesting. Both quarterbacks, Sanders and Ward, they have some bad habits that are going to need coached out of them. Pam Wards kind of get dismissed because he has a strong arm. It's like, well, you know, he stands in the pocket way too long. He takes a lot of sacks. He doesn't need to. He very often waits for the open man, but he's got a strong arm. So you kind of like, you make those excuses for it. Whereas I think both guys are going to need coached pretty hard when they get to the NFL just to learn to play on time. Both guys have a little bit of that Caleb Williams mentality where they think they can stand back there and drift and drift and drift and wait for somebody to pop open and then they'll throw it. We saw last year for Caleb, who I still love, like, that doesn't work in the NFL. And guys who can play on time are going to have a lot more success early. Both these quarterbacks have to figure that out.

Peter King (30:02)

Yeah. In college you can wait, wait, wait, wait and then throw. In the NFL, you can wait, wait, and then you better throw. So, I mean, it's. It's just so much quicker. You have to throw guys open. And Caleb, you know, was doing all this at usc and I remember talking to a friend of mine who's a scout, and he goes, that won't last long in the NFL. He won't last long in the NFL if you think you can escape and, you know, improvise. And this scout said that he always goes back to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. When the. When the play was over, it was over. They went down in a fetal position, you know, live to play another day. But these college quarterbacks are so, you know, Johnny Manziel, he was always going to get out of something.

Dan Patrick (30:45)

Yeah.

Peter King (30:46)

You know, it helped to having a great receiver there. But I think, you know, is Tennessee going to take Cam Ward?

Dan Patrick (30:52)

I don't think so. I didn't get that sense. And I think it's very telling that they are having these guys in for private workouts this week. This is the earliest I've ever heard of a team bringing players in after the combine. And I think they're doing that because they want. They want a day with these guys so they can trade this pick, but they want to, they want to have that meeting first so they can say, just in case, just in case we miss something, let's bring in Cam Ward. They're bringing in Shador Sanders. They're going to have an Abdul Carter. And I think you make that decision probably very soon after this week of, okay, Cleveland Browns, New York Giants, whoever it is, we're now open for business and not only ribbon for business, we're far enough along in the process that we can make kind of an educated decision. But I don't, I don't get the sense right now that the Titans feel like Cam Ward is going to turn this football team around.

Peter King (31:39)

He's Matt Miller, ESPN NFL Draft analyst. I always look at teams where coaching staffs that they split the season like it's the first eight or nine games because they may not survive after eight or nine games. The giant situation, they have to win in those first eight or nine games. And that's the tricky part. Aaron Rodgers gives you a better chance than Cam Ward will or Shador Sanders. There's probably a few other coaching staffs that have, if you're in your second or third year as a head coach, you know, not your first year like Aaron Glenn. But that's where, I don't know, do the Giants play it safe from the coaching perspective, trying to keep your job and you take Aaron Rodgers instead of Cam Ward?

Dan Patrick (32:26)

I think so. I think that's why they were so all in on Matthew Stafford, and it was no surprise. I expect they'll be in on Sam Darnold to some degree. As long as he's not franchise tag today, which sounds like he won't be. And I don't know if Sam wants to go back to New York.

Peter King (32:38)

Right.

Dan Patrick (32:38)

There's that whole other element of it. But I think what, you know, in most years you would say, you know, what, draft the young quarterback and if he shows promise, you keep your job. Because then you have the, the hope of, well, we got to develop this quarterback. I don't know that the quarterbacks this year are to that level that if you're Brian Dable or even Kevin Stefanski, necessarily where you say, I'm going to put my job on this guy who.

Julie Stewart-Banks (33:00)

Yeah.

Dan Patrick (33:00)

Did you feel at any point during the college football season that Cam Ward or Shador Sanders were the best quarterback in college? I know they led college in touchdowns, but I never watched on a Saturday and thought, God, this guy's the best quarterback in college football. Like I did Jaden Daniels or like I did Joe Burrow. You know, you don't get that level of conviction with these guys. So I do feel like that's where we're getting teams that are saying, Cleveland's different. They have to draft a quarterback because of Deshaun Watson. But with the Titans, the Giants, it's, yeah, maybe we just bring in some competition here. Maybe we try the bridge quarterback situation for another season, and then if we keep our jobs, then we'll worry about what 2026 might look like.

Peter King (33:36)

The big reason why we wanted to have you on is obviously hand size. Jalen Milrose, hand size. He. His hands got bigger since the Senior Bowl. How does that happen?

Dan Patrick (33:48)

Almost an inch bigger. Not like an incremental. He grew out his fingernails an inch bigger. I don't. I've talked to hand surgeons this week. How quickly could you do a finger extension? I don't know. You know, what's going on. The honest answer is, I think what happened at the Senior bowl is they measured his left hand, for example, and at the combine, they measured his right hand. That will happen. That's the only thing I can come up with. You see measurement disparities, and there's some gamesmanship to this. I think it was. Was it Brandon Allen coming out of Arkansas like 10 years ago that was doing the hand stretches to get his hands bigger and it actually worked. So I, I want to talk to Cam Ward. I want to find this out. I, I have a message into his dad, Calvin, to find out the answer to this because I. Excuse me. To Jaylen Milro. I have a message agent to find this out. I got to find out because it's. I've never, I've never heard of an inch. That's. That's a lot. That's a. That's a big time hand growth.

Peter King (34:42)

And I'm wondering about NFL teams who fell in love with the running game. If other teams will follow suit in the draft, will we see an uptick in that? You won't be afraid to draft a running back or two in the first round.

Dan Patrick (34:57)

I think you won't be afraid. And you also won't get the public backlash, except for from Mel Kuiper, who says you should never address the running back in the first round. Otherwise, you know, you're not going to get your beat reporters in there saying, oh my God, I can't believe we took Ashton Genty in the top 10 or we took Omarion Hampton in the top 30. I think you can point to Bijan Robinson and Jameer Gibbs even as examples of drafting a guy in the first round. They can come in and be the backbone of your offense. I think more importantly, if you have your quarterback, if you're a team that has that figured out, that's the time to draft a running back. Now, because you have that position solved and you can go back to being a balanced team. But this is one of the best running back classes, if not the best running back class I've ever seen. I've been doing this for 15 years. So I think we've got a shot to have a record for the modern era, which would be 30 running backs drafted. The last time that happened was 2017, which was, you know, Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, players like that. So I don't know that we see three fly off the board in the top 15 necessarily, but still, pretty confidently we can see three in the top 30 picks.

Peter King (35:56)

I don't know if Travis Hunter or his agent has said anything, but is there going to be any blowback if he doesn't want to go to a team because of how he thinks they would use him or not use him?

Dan Patrick (36:09)

I haven't heard anything about that. That would be fascinating. I think the sense that I've got is that Travis just loves football so much. He just, he does want to go somewhere where he can play both ways. And it truly is like his belief that he will make that team better by doing both. But I think that is an important part of the next 45 days is him having those conversations with teams. And I, I said before the combine, my number one question of him, to him, if I was a general manager, would be what if we said you can only play one way? Which, which side is that? What do you prefer? I personally think that he would be better as a wide receiver. I have friends in the league who think he would be better at corners. So there is kind of this polarization about which side would he be better at. But I think ultimately it comes down to which side. Do you have a love for one side more than the other, or do you care that wide receivers make Double what corners do. Has that factored into your decision making process or the longevity? You know, he's, he's £188, 6 foot, £188. I don't personally want him tackling A.J. brown 15 times a game. I, I would rather him be trying to evade those guys than go out and initiate contact. So there is a lot to that. I know he says he could play both ways. I think he can try. My statement has been it is very hard to be great at one position in the NFL. Just mentally, it's so hard. So now we're going to divide that time to a rookie and say, hey, not only welcome to the NFL, bud, but now you got to learn two very, very hard positions to transition to the NFL where we don't see guys as rookies oftentimes have great years as corners, sometimes at receiver. But we're asking him to learn two very hard positions at the same time. I don't know how feasible that is.

Peter King (37:47)

He said that it's tougher to do what he's trying to do than what Shohei Ohtani does by hitting and pitching. Your thoughts?

Dan Patrick (37:55)

I think hitting a baseball is the hardest thing in sports. So I'm going to respectfully disagree as someone who could do neither. Right. It's easy to sit here in my quarter zip and say one's easier than the other. But I think hitting a baseball when it's 100 miles an hour is the hardest thing in sports. And then to turn around and be a dominant pitcher. Not to Travis's point. He said Shohei only pitches once every five games. That's five days. By the way, Travis only have to play football once every seven days. So if we're being honest about the statements, they're both getting some breaks in there. But I think what Shohei does is unprecedented.

Peter King (38:27)

Great to talk to you. Is there anybody that we should keep an eye on that you would consider, given what happened at the combine that really affected their draft status?

Dan Patrick (38:37)

Yeah, I think Nick Iman worry, the safety from South Carolina went from being a late first rounder to maybe a top 15 pick to be 6, 3, 2, 20 to run a 4 3. He looks like Derwin James out there. He has ball skills. He had four picks, five pass breakups this year. He's a great tackler as well. So I still think as we try to figure out how to handle mobile quarterbacks, defenders like him are the answer. So he's, I think he's the biggest riser coming out of it all.

Peter King (39:03)

Great to talk to you. We'll talk to you again. Thank you, Matt.

Dan Patrick (39:05)

Thanks, Dan.

Peter King (39:06)

That's Matt Miller, ESPN NFL draft analyst. So the Pro Football Focus lead analyst Trevor Sikma did say that he doesn't even see Shador Sanders as a first round pick. And Matt kind of back that up. I don't know. Now, once again, this is what happens. Everybody has a consensus until the people get paid to have a consensus. You know, those who are the scouts, those who are the GMs, the coaches. Now you're starting to hear real, real conversation about this instead of how many times have we watched a game? And you go, golly, that guy, he could play in the NFL. And then all of a sudden you realize, no, maybe he can't play in the NFL. Or if he does, he'll be a backup in the NFL. College, you know, can inflate you. The NFL deflates you. You can be in college and you're like just whipping it around. They're like, this is easy. And all of a sudden you realize it's not easy. And that's where these scouts, the people who are looking at these prospects now, this is real. Not, you know, a drive by innocent bystander. Yeah, that guy's going to be, he's going to be number one on my board. Look, I love Mel, Mel Kuiper, but when you look at somebody's draft board during the season and then you look at it after the season and then you look at it as we get ready for the draft, it changes dramatically. Well, what happened? It's you get people who are paid to do this to break down these prospects because their job depends on it. Mel's not getting fired for his draft board, but a guy who says, let's take Shador Sanders, number two overall, could get fired. We'll take a break. Your phone calls coming up, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

Julie Stewart-Banks (41:08)

It's Julie Stewart Banks. I'm doing a new podcast from iHeart Podcasts and the National Hockey League. And I'm paired up with one of my favorite players, the always quotable Nate Thompson. I wore nine NHL sweaters and I have story after story to share. And believe it or not, I have plenty to say, and not just about hockey. Believe me, he does Energy Line with Nate and JSB is the name of the podcast and it's going to be, well, it's going to be quite the ride. We're officially Linemates Nate, we're the Energy Line. We'll have plenty of folks join us. Current players, some of my former teammates, hall of Famers. And wait till you see some of the connections that Julie has.

Dan Patrick (41:45)

She has quite the Rolodex.

Julie Stewart-Banks (41:47)

Okay, we'll lean into Nate's playing experience and tap into our interests away from hockey and try to do what energy lines are supposed to do, provide an emotional boost. How do you feel about all that? Nate?

Dan Patrick (41:59)

I'm vibing Julie. I'm ready to roll.

Julie Stewart-Banks (42:01)

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to My Legacy. I'm Martin Luther King III and together with my wife Andrea Waters King, and our dear friends Mark and Craig Kilberger, we explore the personal journeys that shape extraordinary lives. Each week we'll sit down with inspiring figures like David Oyelowo, Mel Robbins, Martin Sheen, Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Billy Porter and their plus one, their ride or Die as they share stories never heard before about their remarkable journey. Listen to My legacy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This. This is my Legacy. I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Tomer Cohen, LinkedIn's chief product officer. If you're just as curious as I am about the way things are built, the insights behind what it takes to create a world renowned product, then tune in to my podcast Building One. There's so much to learn, like how Patagonia innovates with its supply chain.

Dan Patrick (43:34)

We had to go out to farmers.

Julie Stewart-Banks (43:36)

And convince them it was really damn hard. Or the way Adobe thinks about the first interaction somebody has with Photoshop.

Dan Patrick (43:44)

I was always so fascinated by how.

Julie Stewart-Banks (43:46)

People navigate and find their way. Ever wanted to know how Nike builds emotion into the Jordan brand? You have to be obsessed with the current state of the human condition. And it doesn't stop there. What about how Glean reinvented knowledge? Search with AI? You can learn about how a Michelin star chef is redesigning seeds for flavor and how Pixar is nurturing a creative culture. Listen to Building One on the iHeartRadio app, Apple or Wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Tisha Allen, former golf professional and the host of welcome to the Party, your newest obsession about the wonderful world that is women's golf, featuring interviews with top players on tour like LPGA superstar Angel Yin. I really just sat myself down at the end of 2020 and I was like, look, either we make it or we quit. Expert tips to help improve your swing and the craziest stories to come out of your friendly neighborhood country club. The drinks were flowing, twerking all over the place, vaping.

Todd Fritz (44:47)

They're shotgunning.

Julie Stewart-Banks (44:48)

Women's golf is a wild ride full of big personalities, remarkable athleticism, fierce competition, and a generation of women hell bent on shanking that glass ceiling. Welcome to the party with Tisha Allen is an I heart woman. Sweet sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. Listen to welcome to the Party. That's P A R T E e on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's sports.

Peter King (45:17)

Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program. Speaking of which, Shea Gilgis Alexander has scored at least 20 points in 56 consecutive games. That's the longest streak since James Harden went 57 games in 2018. Who made this? Marvin?

Julie Stewart-Banks (45:55)

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Peter King (45:57)

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Julie Stewart-Banks (45:59)

Yep.

Peter King (45:59)

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Julie Stewart-Banks (46:02)

Heard it on. On the Twitter machine. Somebody sent it to me and I was like, oh, this is a jam.

Peter King (46:06)

I like it. I like everybody.

Julie Stewart-Banks (46:09)

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Peter King (46:16)

Okay. Yes.

Julie Stewart-Banks (46:18)

Todd had like a cool in the gang Earth, Wind and Fire kind of thing to it. I liked it a lot.

Peter King (46:22)

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Todd Fritz (46:52)

Paul, I want to part my hair.

Julie Stewart-Banks (46:53)

Down the middle and go roller skating right now.

Peter King (46:55)

Like it. Matt in California. Matt, thanks for holding. What do you have for me? DP?

Julie Stewart-Banks (47:03)

Good morning.

Dan Patrick (47:04)

A shrinking 6 to 195.

Todd Fritz (47:07)

First time, first time.

Dan Patrick (47:10)

Last time, caller. Just appreciate you and all of you guys for all these years of entertainment.

Todd Fritz (47:15)

I've been listening to you since 01.

Julie Stewart-Banks (47:17)

With Rob Dibble and I felt compelled. I had to give you a call today.

Dan Patrick (47:21)

Today marks the 35th anniversary of Hank Gather's death in Gersten Pavilion.

Julie Stewart-Banks (47:28)

I was a student there, a student.

Dan Patrick (47:31)

Of only 3500 undergrad. We had our second round game in the tournament. We're hosting Portland State. We just beat some terrible team called.

Julie Stewart-Banks (47:43)

Gonzaga From Washington by 30 the night.

Dan Patrick (47:45)

Before and we were all geared up for this game and sitting in the stands at 5 o'clock on a Sunday afternoon. We watched as Hank slammed in alley.

Julie Stewart-Banks (47:57)

Oop from Terrell Lowry and then he ran back and he. A thud hit as he fell to the floor.

Peter King (48:04)

Yeah, I did SportsCenter that night and I remember we had Chris Myers as a reporter in Los Angeles and he did a great on the job in the moment reporting that night. I was anchoring with Chris Berman. Chris Berman was guest hosting on SportsCenter that night. And you know, we had a photographer there, cameraman, and he, he focused on Hank Gather after, you know, he had the basket and then he started to backpedal and the cameraman stayed on Hank Gathers and you saw him, you saw him hit the floor and you know, changed college athletics, certainly changed college basketball because you had to. Everybody has a defibrillator now to shock somebody back to life. And I don't believe they had one in the arena that night. But yeah, Hank Gathers and such a fun team, Loyal to Marymount. Fun team. They were playing NBA style basketball back in 1990. Paul Wested was playing NBA. The style you have now. And that is. We'll give you two. We're going to take a three. We're going to run you, we're going to run you and we're going to go constant. Bo Kimball. They were, they're a fun team.

Todd Fritz (49:27)

Yeah, Paul, if you go on YouTube.

Julie Stewart-Banks (49:28)

You can see a lot of highlights.

Todd Fritz (49:29)

Of Hank Gathers for people who don't know him.

Julie Stewart-Banks (49:31)

In 88, 89, his junior year at Loyola Marymount, he averaged 33 points a.

Todd Fritz (49:36)

Game and 14 rebounds without shooting threes in any way.

Peter King (49:40)

And he ended up from, you know, they were from Philadelphia, him and Bo. They ended up at Loyal to Marymount. Yeah, he started at USC and then all of a sudden loyal to Marymount and really haven't had much from Loyola Merriman, I don't think since then. But that was, that was a up and down run. We're going. They were in better shape than everybody. Yeah, morph.

Julie Stewart-Banks (50:06)

Now, how good were they nationally? Were they looked at as a threat to go to the Final Four during that season.

Peter King (50:11)

Okay, yeah, yeah. I don't know what they were ranked, but. But Hank was, I think considered the best player in the country. Bo was a great player too. And then they had role players and was it Jeff Fryer?

Julie Stewart-Banks (50:27)

Yeah, the shooter.

Peter King (50:28)

Yeah, yeah, they had a. That was fun team. Yeah, fun team. Chris in Brooklyn. Hi, Chris. What's on your mind today?

Dan Patrick (50:37)

So, bud.

Peter King (50:38)

Hey. Hey. What's going on? A little vibe shift here.

Dan Patrick (50:43)

Since 2023, November 2023, I've had a kind of spreadsheet open while I listen.

Julie Stewart-Banks (50:49)

To the show and I've been recording.

Dan Patrick (50:52)

When I remember to enter the heights and weights of people that give them voluntarily. I have 236 entries, including the last guy that just called. I have the average height, weight and.

Julie Stewart-Banks (51:06)

Body mass index of the Dan Patrick collar.

Peter King (51:09)

Chris, what do you do the rest of the day?

Julie Stewart-Banks (51:12)

You know, I participate in various things.

Peter King (51:19)

What is the average height and weight? A DP show listener. Okay, if you're ready.

Dan Patrick (51:26)

The average height is 511. The average weight is 206 pounds. That makes for a body mass index.

Julie Stewart-Banks (51:33)

Of 28.7, making the average collar empirically soft.

Peter King (51:39)

Thank you, Chris. Maybe I don't want to know what he does the rest of the day. Andrew in Washington. Hi, Andrew, welcome back. Hey, good morning, DP and Danit, thanks.

Todd Fritz (51:52)

For taking my call.

Julie Stewart-Banks (51:52)

I got an NFL draft kind of.

Todd Fritz (51:54)

Take and then I have a real.

Julie Stewart-Banks (51:56)

Quick stat of the day.

Peter King (51:57)

But I don't think we should fall.

Julie Stewart-Banks (51:59)

For the, you know, the Cam Ward.

Peter King (52:01)

Scam or the Shador Sanders shade or anything like that. For some reason with not that great.

Todd Fritz (52:06)

A quarterback in this draft.

Julie Stewart-Banks (52:08)

I wonder what draftkings over under for quarterbacks taken in the first round. Will it be 1.5, 2.5 over under?

Peter King (52:16)

I have a feeling. I don't know why the leader in.

Todd Fritz (52:18)

Passing yards in the NCAA, Kyle McCord, might come out to be the best.

Peter King (52:23)

Quarterback in the pros.

Julie Stewart-Banks (52:24)

He did throw the ball to Jackson.

Peter King (52:26)

Smith and Jigba and Marvin Harrison Jr. At Ohio State before going to Syracuse.

Julie Stewart-Banks (52:31)

So I just, I don't know why.

Todd Fritz (52:33)

No analysis there. Just my thought.

Peter King (52:35)

All right.

Todd Fritz (52:35)

My standard day is Shay Gilgis Alexander has joined Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant and.

Julie Stewart-Banks (52:42)

James Harden as the only players in.

Todd Fritz (52:44)

The last 25 years in the NBA.

Julie Stewart-Banks (52:47)

To score 30 plus points in 30.

Peter King (52:49)

Or 35 or more games in three straight seasons. Maybe a deep cut, but start of the day. Thank you, Andrew. Final hour coming up, the lead draft analyst at Pro Football Focus apparently doesn't believe Shador Sanders is a first round draft pick. He'll tell us why. Coming up, more of your phone calls as well. Two hours in the books on this Tuesday. One more to go.

Julie Stewart-Banks (53:14)

What's up everyone? Julie swearbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together.

Dan Patrick (53:20)

Here we go.

Julie Stewart-Banks (53:22)

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

Dan Patrick (53:25)

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life.

Julie Stewart-Banks (53:28)

All topics are fair game, right? Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us. Julie is pretty well connected. She has tech stuff threads going that you wouldn't believe. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Peter King (54:46)

I'm Mark Seale.

Julie Stewart-Banks (54:47)

And I'm Nathan King. This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.

Dan Patrick (54:50)

The Five Families did not want us to shoot that picture.

Julie Stewart-Banks (54:53)

This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seale's best selling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire, and many others. Yes, that was a real horse's head. Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if you ask two different people the same set of questions? Even if the questions are the same, our experiences can lead us to drastically different answers. I'm Minnie Driver and I set out to explore this idea in my podcast and now Mini Questions is returning for another season. We've asked an entirely new set of guests our seven questions, including Jane Lynch, Delaney Rowe, and Cord Jefferson. Listen to mini questions on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Seven questions, limitless answers.

Todd Fritz (55:52)

Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's the Thing, I spoke with more actors, musicians, policymakers, and so many other fascinating.

Peter King (56:03)

People, like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd.

Julie Stewart-Banks (56:07)

I love writing more than anything. You're left alone, you know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon. Go pick up a kid from school.

Peter King (56:14)

And write at night. And after nine hours, you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on.

Todd Fritz (56:20)

Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.