Hour 2 – Planting the Flag, Herm Edwards

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show Episode: Hour 2 – Planting the Flag, Herm Edwards
Release Date: December 2, 2024
Host: Dan Patrick
Guest: Herm Edwards, ESPN Football Analyst, Former College and NFL Head Coach

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Introduction to Hour 2

At the commencement of Hour 2, co-host Paul Pabst introduces the segment by briefly mentioning the show's alignment with small businesses during Small Business Saturday and Cyber Monday promotions. He highlights various local businesses and encourages listeners to support them through DanPatrick.com.

Poll Results: Who Had the Worst Weekend?

Dan Patrick [03:37]:
"Who had the worst weekend? Matt Eberflusse, Ryan Day, Kirk Cousins, or Justin Tucker?"

Paul Pabst and Dan Patrick discuss the poll results, revealing that Ryan Day retains a significant lead with 64% of the vote as the worst-performing individual of the weekend. The conversation touches upon Ryan Day's loss against Michigan, being a 23.5-point favorite, and Matt Eberflusse losing his job.

Discussion on "Planting the Flag" in Football

The hosts delve into the metaphorical concept of "planting the flag" in sports, exploring its implications and consequences.

Paul Pabst [04:50]:
"When you plant the flag, you're just asking for a fight. Those players aren't going to allow you to let that happen."

Dan Patrick [05:14]:
"Oh, yeah. Statement planting."

They reference historical instances, such as when Neil Armstrong planted the American flag on the moon, discussing its lack of opposition compared to the competitive nature in football.

Player Performances and MVP Discussions

The conversation shifts to standout player performances, primarily focusing on Josh Allen and Saquon Barkley.

Dan Patrick [05:27]:
"Josh Allen is the MVP's to lose. He's been wonderful this year."

Paul Pabst [06:37]:
"He's the fourth player since 2000 to have a rushing touchdown, passing touchdown, and receiving touchdown in the same game."

They analyze Josh Allen's multifaceted performance and his potential as the MVP, comparing his impact to legendary quarterbacks like John Elway.

NFL Officiating and Justin Tucker's Performance

A significant portion of the discussion centers around NFL officiating, specifically critiquing Justin Tucker's performance.

Paul Pabst [07:09]:
"Justin Tucker made 2 of 4 field goals, 1 of 2 PATs in the loss to the Eagles. That's the first time he's missed three kicks in a game."

Dan Patrick [15:19]:
"I think that Patrick Mahomes gets the same treatment as Michael Jordan, Tom Brady and other great stars."

They express concerns over the consistency and fairness of officiating, suggesting that star players may receive favorable treatment, which could influence game outcomes.

Interaction with Callers

Several callers contribute to the discussion, bringing up topics such as team rivalries, coaching decisions, and player performances.

Caller Chris [11:19]:
"Hey, good morning, Dan. How are you?"

Dan Patrick [22:54]:
"Well, meaning that they're complaining about a flag when they don't even come down Here and play the real football teams."

The callers provide their perspectives, prompting deeper analysis from the hosts on team dynamics and rivalry intensity.

Interview with Herm Edwards

Herm Edwards joins the show to provide expert insights on the "Planting the Flag" phenomenon in college football.

Herm Edwards:
"I think the flag planting days are over for college football. It's a bad look for everyone involved."

Paul Pabst [25:56]:
"How do you prevent that?"

Herm Edwards:
"As a coach and as a university, make sure the head coach speaks to the players and the AD, emphasizing no flag planting. Implementing strict policies through the NCAA can help eradicate the behavior."

Herm emphasizes the importance of maintaining sportsmanship and proposes institutional measures to eliminate antagonistic actions like flag planting.

Best and Worst of the Weekend

A recurring segment where Dan and Paul highlight notable performances and disappointing outcomes from recent games.

Dan Patrick [43:25]:
"My best of the weekend. Friday night's eight overtime game in Athens between the Bulldogs and Yellow Jackets."

Paul Pabst [43:37]:
"Georgia was down 17 nothing at the half, down 27-13 with five and a half minutes left in the fourth, only to lose 44-42."

They discuss dramatic games, such as the extended overtime match and the Cincinnati Bengals' defensive struggles leading to their loss despite Joe Burrow's stellar performance.

Sonos, Yamaha, and Other Advertisements

Throughout the episode, advertisements for brands like Sonos, Yamaha Motorsports, Sleep Number, SimpliSafe, Del Taco, Chumba Casino, and eBay are interspersed. However, these segments are excluded from the summary as per instructions to focus solely on content.

Listener Announcements and Personal Milestones

Listeners share personal milestones, such as anniversaries, adding a personal touch to the show.

Dan Patrick [49:04]:
"Today is my 28 year dating anniversary with my wife. Our first date was in Brooklyn on 12/29/96, which was a Monday."

Paul Pabst congratulates Dan, fostering a sense of community among listeners.

Closing Remarks and Final Poll Update

As the show nears its end, the hosts revisit the poll results regarding who had the worst weekend.

Paul Pabst [48:27]:
"Ryan Day has ticked down to 63% of the vote."

Dan encourages Ryan Day to stay positive despite the poll results, highlighting the evolving nature of team performances.

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Notable Quotes

• Dan Patrick [03:37]:
  "Who had the worst weekend? Matt Eberflusse, Ryan Day, Kirk Cousins, or Justin Tucker?"

• Paul Pabst [04:50]:
  "When you plant the flag, you're just asking for a fight. Those players aren't going to allow you to let that happen."

• Herm Edwards [25:53]:
  "It's a bad look for college, a bad look for everyone involved."

• Dan Patrick [37:37]:
  "Josh Allen. He's more than a quarterback. He is a teacher. Football player. He reminds me of John Elway."

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Insights and Conclusions

The episode of The Dan Patrick Show offers a comprehensive analysis of recent football performances, both in the NFL and college leagues. The discussion on "Planting the Flag" underscores a shift in sportsmanship expectations, with expert opinions advocating for stricter regulations and cultural changes within teams. Player performances, particularly those of Josh Allen and Justin Tucker, are scrutinized to highlight both exceptional achievements and areas needing improvement. The segment fosters engagement with listeners through polls and personal stories, enhancing the community feel of the show. Overall, the episode emphasizes the importance of fair play, the impact of officiating, and the evolving dynamics of team rivalries in collegiate and professional football.

Transcript

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[Dan Patrick]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.

[Paul Pabst]

It's Hour two on this Monday. Dan and the Dan. It's Dan Patrick show. Come on in. Stay a while. 8773 DP Show Operator Tyler sitting by as we always do every Monday. Best and worst of the weekend. One give a shout out Small Business Saturday. This past weekend. Over the years, we have aligned with small businesses. Pennies Bang Biscuits made in New Jersey. Sunbeam General, Gilgamesh Brewing in Oregon. The new Audible Ale we're producing. Where's my Shirt? Also an Oregon White Dog Distilling in Rhode island. They make the Tailgate moonshine ray gun in Des Moines. So this Cyber Monday, when you [e-mail] you're also supporting small businesses like these all over the country. DanPatrick.com all right, we will, I think have a poll question. Another poll question for hour two, or do you want to stay with that powerful one? We had an hour one powerful poll.

[Dan Patrick]

Question on this Monday.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Who had the worst weekend?

[Paul Pabst]

Matt Eberflusse, Ryan Day, Kirk Cousins or Justin Tucker? Those are all great options, by the way. Yeah. If you remove Ryan day and his 64% of the vote. Yeah. Matt Eberfluss has about 25. Justin Tucker, Kirk Cousins not getting a lot of attention with 4% but still there. Yeah. Eberfluss loses his job. You would think that that would be the worst. And it's not worse than Ryan Day losing against Michigan as a 23 and a half point favorite. All right. People fired up about my take on planting the flag. I just know what it brings about. And that means you're going to have a fight. That's what it brings about. You're going to have you win on somebody else's home turf. You go plant the flag or you want to, you know it's going to lead to that because those players aren't going to allow you to let that happen. Ryan Day even said it. Hey, we're not letting that happen. Florida, Florida State, North Carolina, North Carolina State. Go back to when Baker Mayfield did it when Oklahoma beat Ohio. State. Didn't like it. Then you won. That's the ultimate. That's the ultimate scoreboard. And you can't even plant the flag in the astroturf to begin with. So you want to take the Arizona State pitchfork and put it in the ground. You're just were asking for this. Now, I have had some people who have said the following. Did the United States taunt other countries when Neil Armstrong planted the American flag on the moon?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah. Statement planting.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay. So as a couple of People have said, if he can plant the flag on the moon, what's the difference? So can we. Well, there wasn't, you know, there wasn't an opposition up there. So there. You imagine if the Russians were up there, and all of a sudden, Neil Armstrong goes one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind, and then all of a sudden, the Russians, they want to fight him. All right. 8773 DP show email address dpanpatrick.com Twitter handle the DP show best and worst of the weekend. We got Browns, Broncos, Broncos by six tonight. The Bills rolled the 49ers, and the MVP is Josh Allen's to lose. He's been wonderful this year, and you really. It feels like just seeing a different Josh Allen. I don't know how to describe it other than it feels like he's more comfortable. He doesn't have to make sure Stefon Diggs is happy. You got a really good running back. The defense has been a whole lot better than I thought, and he's been wonderful. Here's Josh Allen on dominating the 49ers. It's a good feeling. This one feels a little bit different. You know, this early in the season, we still got five games left. So the cool thing about it, like, you get to go out there, we.

[Dan Patrick]

Get to go out there, and we.

[Paul Pabst]

Get to play free.

[Dan Patrick]

Right.

[Paul Pabst]

There's really no repercussions for what we're doing, but at the same time, we're chasing the one seed. We understand that. We know that. And we got to keep getting better each and every week. So. But it's.

[Dan Patrick]

It's going to be fun.

[Paul Pabst]

I mean, to go out there and play free and play relaxed and play loose. I think that's. That could be a dangerous team. He's the fourth player since 2000 to have a rushing touchdown, passing touchdown, and receiving touchdown in the same game. No, no, I was. That was. I was getting ready to ask the question. Oh, okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Go ahead, sir.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. All right. Can you name any of the other three that have had a passing touchdown, rushing rushing touchdown and a receiving touchdown in the same game?

[Dan Patrick]

Todd, Steve Young, Paul, Walter Payton.

[Paul Pabst]

Marvin.

[Dan Patrick]

Jerry Rice.

[Paul Pabst]

Seaton, Michael Vick. One did it two years ago, one did it in O5. One did it in O1. Two are running backs, one is wide receiver. All purpose. Yes. Marmon Marshall Falk. No.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul LaDainian Tomlinson. Yes.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay. LaDanian Tomlinson did that in O5. Christian McCaffrey. But here's the big winner. David Patton.

[Dan Patrick]

Dude.

[Paul Pabst]

David Patton. Was he with The Patriots at the time. David Patton in 01. Yes, Paul.

[Dan Patrick]

We would have been here a while on that one.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, you would.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, so Josh Allen gets credit for a receiving touchdown because Amari Cooper pitches it to him and he. So he completes the reception for a touchdown.

[Paul Pabst]

He throws a touchdown pass and then gets credit for a receiving touchdown.

[Dan Patrick]

Right. Because he didn't catch one. Traditionally, it was a pitch from Amari Cooper.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

That's weird. Yeah, because it doesn't feel like a touchdown reception.

[Paul Pabst]

So Justin Tucker made 2 of 4 field goals, 1 of 2 pats in the loss to the Eagles. And that's the first time in his career, college or the NFL, that he's missed three kicks in a game. And now you got a bigger picture issue here because these things metastasize, okay? This is this game and this week, and then all of a sudden the game gets more important. The stakes are going to be higher and how is he going to process this? And John Harbaugh said they're not going to, you know, they're working through this. They're not going to put him on the ir, let him, you know, have a four weeks away where, you know, get your head together, come back, be refreshed. Like it's. It's not like he's Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson. They're learning the position. Here's one of the greatest kickers of all time, and he suddenly forgot how to play kick be in that moment there. But that's seven points there. You win the game. Now, as I've said, I think the Eagles are better than the Ravens going into that game and they proved it. When you see running backs get better as the game goes on, I also liken that to when starting pitchers, when we used to have starting pitchers who would go the distance, all of a sudden they get into the seventh and they're even more dominating. Eighth inning, even more dominating. And you saw that last night. I waited to see which running back would dominate in the fourth quarter. And Derek Henry got bottled up. Give the Eagles defense a lot of credit. That's a great offense. We focus on that. But Saquon Barkley wore him down. That offensive line warmed down and you saw him do well and take over the game. Now I'm looking at the odds, MVP odds. Josh Allen is the favorite. He's got a sizable lead right now. This according to DraftKings this morning. Saquon Barkley is second, then Lamar Jackson a distant third. Jared Goff is with Lamar Jackson. Patrick Mahomes is a very, very Very distant fifth place there and he shouldn't be on that list. I've said before, Mahomes is mvp. His value is when we get to the postseason because gone are the days you're going to throw for 45 touchdowns. And the Raiders had him. But they acted like the Raiders. The Raiders could have beaten two of the better teams in the NFL. They had the Chiefs, they had them. Let them go in true Raiders fashion there. All right, couple of phone calls in here. Chris in North Carolina. Hi, Chris. What's on your mind today?

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, good morning, Dan. How are you?

[Paul Pabst]

Great, great.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm a six three Anthony Carter, like 178. I am not a fan of the flight planning just like you, but I have to say if you guys YouTube.

[Paul Pabst]

At Michigan did the exact same thing two years ago and Ryan Day didn't say a peep.

[Dan Patrick]

So look it up.

[Paul Pabst]

20, 22.

[Dan Patrick]

They planted the flag.

[Paul Pabst]

I wish they wouldn't.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm sure the big pen is going to outlaw it, but Ryan Day can't say we're not going to let that happen on our field because he already did.

[Paul Pabst]

All right, that's fair. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, to be fair to Michigan, they had the play, the flag planted on them earlier this season by Texas when Texas rolled them. And I would watch the video back and Texas does it and the Michigan players keep walking to the locker and they did not start a brawl.

[Paul Pabst]

Well, this is different.

[Dan Patrick]

It is.

[Paul Pabst]

This is different.

[Dan Patrick]

But either way, a brawl is a brawl.

[Paul Pabst]

There is no rivalry like this. None.

[Dan Patrick]

None.

[Paul Pabst]

You have to factor that in. Doesn't matter. Records, doesn't matter. You got people don't even say the name of the team up north of the team down south. I mean, it is, it's real. It's a rivalry. It's heated. There's hatred there. And I don't know if there's a lot of respect there on either side for the opposition. It's combustible. You have police out there and they still can't stop it. Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

As an outsider to the rivalry, I.

[Paul Pabst]

Think part of it I think is.

[Dan Patrick]

Cool, but a big chunk of it.

[Paul Pabst]

I think is really lame because if your whole goal for the season is to beat one team, it doesn't matter. We can go one in 11, but as long as we beat that one team, then we won the season, then.

[Dan Patrick]

You'Re not a fan of the team. You just hate that other one.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. And that's not like, that's not a lot of fun. JB in la. Hey, JB Morning.

[Dan Patrick]

Dp. Morning, Guys, first time, long time. You can't plant a flag on anyone's field. You just can't do that. That's like Pepsi and Coca Cola having their challenge all the time. And Pepsi keeps winning their drivers. You could drive around their building, heckle them, say whatever you want. You know, you can even give the other drivers a bird sometimes. And then you get the one guy. Everyone's got the one guy, right? And he gets his blue spray paint, goes to the big red Coca Cola logo, crosses it out. Now you got problems. You're gonna have Coca Cola drivers, 50 of them at your plant the next day and you have like a rumble like in the Outsiders.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. Thank you, jv. Didn't think we'd be talking about Pepsi. Coca Cola wars, Turf wars. Yes, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

Soda wars are real. Got to accept that.

[Paul Pabst]

Brian in South Carolina. Hi, Brian. What's on your mind? Hey, dp, how you doing? Good, sir.

[Dan Patrick]

Best of the week, my Bills taking down the Niners at Orchard park last night. Worst of the week, the ending to the Raiders Chiefs game. I think BP went into a little mini monologue earlier about how fans take issue with the Chiefs winning these one score games or winning these close games. I don't think anyone has an issue with the Chiefs winning these close games. I think the issue is the weird officiating that happened throughout the game. Wanya Morris and Juwan Taylor been getting away with murder since, I don't know, probably week two or week three. And if you look at that play, not.

[Paul Pabst]

Not literally, Brian. They haven't literally been getting away with murder.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes, but they've been getting away with a lot. And you and you touched on throughout the season. They let them, in totality, get away with a lot more than they do in previous years, but it's a little bit much. And then if you look at that play against the Raiders, it looked like that was going to be a false start. And Mike Frances spoke about it on his podcast. It looked like they were getting together and it was initially going to be a false start with the Raiders getting the kick again. And then they came together and changed it to an illegal shift which effectively ended the game. So I think the issue with the Chiefs is more so them winning the post games, but just them constantly getting the benefit of the doubt with the officiating that ends these games.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, do you think the NFL is going out of its way to make sure that the Chiefs continue to win?

[Dan Patrick]

I think that Patrick Mahomes gets the same treatment as Michael Jordan, Tom Brady and other great stars. Throughout every sport. I think that the reps have sunglasses on letting them know, okay, where, if this is a borderline call, where are we going to go? And I think the Chiefs get the benefit of the doubt the same way those both teams did and some instances the Patriots did in years past.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, it happens. I never understood the best players. Best teams get the breaks. You would think that they want to even it out and give the opposition the Raiders need help. By the way, we've had some people say that Walter Payton also had a passing, touchdown, running, touchdown, receiving, touchdown in the game. But if you heard what I said, the exact wording on this is that There have been four players since 2000. 2000.

[Dan Patrick]

Right.

[Paul Pabst]

So you were wrong right away. You got it. Walter Payton didn't play in 2000.

[Dan Patrick]

Should have. He should have.

[Paul Pabst]

He could have. But I was saying in the year 2000 on these four players have had a receiving, running and passing touchdown. Yeah, you gotta listen to everything I say.

[Dan Patrick]

You have to change centuries to keep Walter out of it.

[Paul Pabst]

That's true. All right, let me take a break. We'll talk to Herm Edwards, former college coach at Arizona State, former NFL coach, get his thoughts on the planting the flag. Paul Feinbaum for the mothership. A little bit later on we'll hear from Deion Sanders as well. He says his guys are playing in the bowl game. Okay, back after this Dan Patrick Show.

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[Paul Pabst]

Sanders, after blowing out Oklahoma State, was asked about his players playing in a bowl game.

[Dan Patrick]

Our kids are going to play in our bowl game because that's what we signed up to do and we're going to finish. We're not going to tap out because that throws off the structure of next season. It's a couple of teams. You take note. They laid egg in the bowl game and they hadn't recovered since. We don't plan on doing that. We plan on going out there fighting just like we fought today.

[Paul Pabst]

Well, there's a not so subtle shot at his alma mater, Florida State, after they weren't going to play in the bowl games, play for a national championship. And they had a lot of players who decided not to play, I believe when they played Georgia, Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Paul, Coach Sanders used the words signed up to about the bowl games. Do you think there's nil involved? And he was maybe unintentionally hinting at it where these players have to play in the bowl games to earn all their bonuses.

[Paul Pabst]

I think that's interesting to read into the language there, but I understand that Shador Sanders is going to play for his dad. Is Travis Hunter going to play fresh off winning the Heisman? That I would be curious about. But if he says, hey, this is what my guy signed up for, maybe that has something to do with nil. All right. 8773 DP show email address dpanpatrick.com Twitter handle At DP show we'll hear from Herm Edwards. He'll join us. Coming up here in a little bit, Adam in South Carolina. Good morning, Adam. What's on your mind today?

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, Dan, I just wanted to say to all these folks talking about a flag, they need to come on down south to play some big boy football, first of all.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, meaning.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, meaning that they're, you know, they're complaining about a flag when they don't even come down Here and play the real football teams. I mean, you know, they lose the Ohio State loses, the Michigan and end of the world. Well, we got teams in the SEC is going to have three losses trying to get in the playoff down here, you know.

[Paul Pabst]

All right, well, thank you, Adam. Yeah, take that you Big Ten teams. You Griffin in Cincinnati is back. Hi, Griff.

[Dan Patrick]

Hey, Dan.

[Paul Pabst]

Got a best and worse.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm in a question for you. Best of the weekend, the Hoosiers 66 nothing went over Purdue. Biggest, most lopsided win in the old Oak and Bucket game and Hoosiers can't believe it. They submitted their spot in the playoff pretty much all but submitted it, I guess. But that's amazing. Worst of the weekend. I fell for Mike Brown's dirty tricks again, Dan. I went to the game at Haycor yesterday, fell for it. I left probably I think after the strip sack to the touchdown. So that was kind of bad. You know, people used to feel bad for us this season, but now we're just a bad team and that's all pretty much confirmed. But my question for you, Dan, you.

[Paul Pabst]

Know the Bengals organization better than any.

[Dan Patrick]

Other national radio host or sportscaster out there. Do you think at this stage of Mike Brown's life that he would be willing to make a change within the family front office structure? Do you think that we're just going downhill from your.

[Paul Pabst]

I don't think he's making a change. Don't think so. It's your team and you don't want to relinquish. Never. When, when I had Jim Ursay on and I said, would you ever consider bringing Peyton Manning in as a part time owner, a partial owner, he goes, no, Mike, it was a harsh no. The Bears are the Bears and will continue to be the Bears because they keep it in the family, the Lions. I mean that's what happens. It's really rare if you're going to get somebody who's going to relinquish power, Jerry Jones, for the detriment of the team. He's still in power now. He has made some good moves, but they haven't won. But these guys, these owners, they don't, they don't give up power. Billionaires don't like to be told what to do. Herm Edwards ESPN football analyst former college and NFL head coach and he works on the mothership on SportsCenter, variety of other programs. He's been a busy guy this morning. All right, Herm, you got more of a problem with those planting the flag or those reacting to those planting the Flag.

[Dan Patrick]

I think the planning, the flag days are over for college football. I do. I think when you see something like that occur, obviously, with the emotions of young people, I just think it was a bad look for college, a bad look for everyone involved in it. I think this will be one of those deals where they'll get together and say, you know what? Those days are done. No more flag planting.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, but how do you prevent that?

[Dan Patrick]

You just, as a coach and as a, you know, college university, you just make sure the head coach speaks to the players as well as the AD and says, look, we're not planting flags. If anyone plants the flag, obviously there's going to be consequences. We're not going to do that here at this university any longer. And it's going to. It's going to probably be a part of the NCAA policy. That's not going to. What we do.

[Paul Pabst]

And I know we've had people say, well, Ohio State fans, what they said to players and how they treat the player. I understand all of that, but you got the ultimate scoreboard coach, where you beat them in their place. That's it. Just wave goodbye to them instead of, we're going to put a flag in astroturf, which you can't do. And then, you know, it's going to bring about what it brought about Saturday.

[Dan Patrick]

There's no doubt. And, you know, and, you know, young people are excited about doing that. I mean, it's kind of evolved to this in college football. We're going to plant a flag. I like. Right. Really, it's the guys, you know, just, let's win the football game and let's just move on. We don't have to plant any flags anywhere. That's just. It's this part of collegiate, you know, football right now.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. Well, I mean, I still believe you win with class, you lose with class. But both of those teams, both of those sides were wrong in one. What they did and how they. I get Ohio State, hey, we got humble. You're not going to. You beat us, and now you're going to do that. It. There's no other rivalry like this. I get that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But. But, Dan, you know, this. This rivalry was going on before these young people were even born.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

There was no flag planting. So it's just. It's kind of evolved. It is. You know, things evolved, and if you allow it to happen, it becomes, oh, we can do that, too. You know, it's a copycat world. I mean. Oh, that. That. That's cool. Let's go do that. No, let's stop that.

[Paul Pabst]

As a player, were you ever involved in a fight, like a brawl, team versus team?

[Dan Patrick]

Let me think about that. In the years that I played, no. Even. Not even with the. You know what, we had a little bit of incident one time with the Cowboys with that star that's planted in the middle of that field.

[Paul Pabst]

But it did.

[Dan Patrick]

It wasn't too bad. It was kind like, okay, the star. Okay, we get the star.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, the. The difference of coaching in snow, like last night in Buffalo, as opposed to just regular conditions. As a coach, what changes?

[Dan Patrick]

Well, obviously, depending on how bad it gets and how the field obviously takes the snow, you become a little bit more conservative. Now, here's the crazy part, Dan, and you know this. You've been around football as long as I've been. The thing that sometimes people don't understand, they always ask the question about, you know, why are they so concerned with a quarterback's hand size? Well, any of them northern teams that play outside, it's critical the quarterback has big hands. It's critical when you play outside because of these kind of conditions. And you watched it unfold yesterday was Josh Allen, who might be the MVP of the league. His ability to carry the ball, at times with one hand, it seemed like it was throwing. Everybody else was flipping around with the ball. He just carried it like, oh, man, we're good for that. Touchdown. He ran when they pitched it to him, he had the ball in one hand. He's plummeting. I'm going, there's the big hand deal. And because of the wind, the elements, guys with big hands. And Dan, you know football, you've gone back as far as ever. You think about all those teams, the Pittsburgh Steeders, all those teams that played outdoors back in the days, right? They had big hand quarterbacks. It's just part of the deal. And when the snow shows up, you get it. I got a guy that can function. He can throw the ball in these conditions, he can carry the ball, he can get the ball from the center. We're good.

[Paul Pabst]

Justin Tucker is lost.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Paul Pabst]

Have you ever been around a kicker who is suffering what, whatever he's suffering? The yips or just in his. In his head?

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, you've seen it. And I think coach is smart enough to know he's sticking with his guy. But during practice now, unannounced, when you're practicing, you just bowl. We'll say we're gonna kick a field goal right in the middle of practice. It's not even announced. You just, hey, field goal. Let's go. And you bring him out and you put him in an area where you get it inside the 30 to let him see him make it. Just you want him to make some kicks in front of the team. You don't plan it. It's kind of in practice. I'm gonna go and you tell the coaches we're going to practice that week and say, look, in this period I'm going to call for a kick. And then in this other period, I'm going to call for a kick. And it's kind of unannounced, so you catch them off guard and go, hey, line up. Let's kick the ball. And players will start looking, what is this about? Kick the ball? You want to see him make it. Want to see him make it right? And that's all you can do. They're going to stick with their guy.

[Paul Pabst]

When I was playing basketball, coach would say, such and such going to the free throw line. If he makes it, we're done with practice. If he misses, we have to run. But he wanted to have that element of put some pressure on you before you get pressure on you and then see how you do. We're talking to the former coach, ESPN football analyst Herm Edwards. When you look at the Bears, the Bears organization, you see what.

[Dan Patrick]

I see, an organization. And that needs to be relevant in the fact they are Chicago Bears. And there's certain teams in this league need to be relevant. The Giants, the New York Giants need to be relevant. They need to be good, they need to be competitive. They found themselves a quarterback. They got a quarterback. There ain't no doubt about it. Everybody was hollering, what kind of guy? Oh, he's a quarterback. You got yourself quarterback now. How do you fix it? Right? They're in a. They're in the most competitive vision division in football, the NFC north right now. They got three teams over there with obviously probably going to the playoffs, to be quite honest. And so now you got a Chicago team that's looking up at all those teams. You have the key position in place, quarterback. They have some good players going forward. Now, who's going to be the coach? Who's going to fix this? Right? Because that's what, you know, every coach is hired, he's always coming in gently to fix something. You know, how do you fix it? Well, they have to worry about the quarterback. He's proven he can play. He can play in any conditions. He can play in the wind, he can play in the cold. He's gotten better as a season has developed and they're in competitive division. But you know, this. I mean, football, it's. It's a funny, It's a funny game. All of a sudden they've lost some close games. That one they lost this week. Not calling, obviously. Maybe a timeout when he could have tied it or what. It, it's stuff like that that gets you.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, I agree with you. They found their quarterback. Now, the question, I thought that they were a playoff caliber team, but. And you know, I bring this up a lot when we look at the Chiefs. Oh, they get lucky and they win these games. Close games come down to coaching and quarterback play, like, and, and so you have two hall of Famers, two of the best who've ever done this. You have a decided advantage over a second year coach and a quarterback. That's probably a backup quarterback in Aiden oconnell. So that's a decided advantage that the Chiefs have here and they take advantage of that.

[Dan Patrick]

Great point in the fact that you've always say this. When you have a great quarterback, you're going, if we get the last possession, yeah, it's, it's over. We're going to win. He's going to find a way to win. That's what the great ones do. And you sit there, you smile, you go, okay, we're good, we're good. 95% of the time you're going to win.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, but what was that feeling like as a former defensive back? Was there a quarterback when he had the ball? You're on the field and you go, damn it, we're going to lose.

[Dan Patrick]

My rookie year when the Dallas Cowboys were rolling, that's Staubaching, those guys, right? We've been playing the Dallas Cowboys twice. You know, I'm all excited. I'm a rookie, I'm a starter, we're playing the Cowboys and I'm going, hey, man, we're leading this thing. And I'm in the huddle and it's the fourth quarter and a couple of veterans looked at me and said, rook, don't start smiling. He's got the ball. Roger, stall back. I'm going. What does that mean? Sure enough, right down the field, I go, oh, boy, I see what you mean Now.

[Paul Pabst]

Roger Staubach is underrated.

[Dan Patrick]

He really is.

[Paul Pabst]

Because he had that short career because of the military. He averaged eight yards a carry, I believe. I mean, unbelievable. Like, that was when guys weren't really running.

[Dan Patrick]

No, you're right. No. And you know what? Here's another one I'm gonna bring up, too. Another one who got the ball at the end, you go, oh, we're in trouble. Fran Tarkinton, Sir Francis, we called him Sir Francis Tarkinton. I tell you what, boy. Unbelievable.

[Paul Pabst]

How do you explain Russell Wilson?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, you know what? I'm happy for Russell Wilson because all of the anguish that Pittsburgh Theater fans had. What are we doing? Why is he playing? He just threw for 400 yards. 400. This is the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, the ones that turn around and give the runner the ball. They want to win 12 to 6. And Mike Common, obviously, Hall of Fame coach, he knows playing the Cincinnati Bengals with Joe Burrows, who was an outstanding football player and it is a shame they let the runner go. And now it's all on Joe Burrows hands. Before this week, he had thrown 100 plus passes. He was throwing averaging 50 passes a game. He got no shot doing that. He had no shot. Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers, look at this game go. Hey, you know what, guys, we can't win this one. 13 to 10. We got to score some points. And Russell was cooking with gas now. I mean, he is getting better every week. And this team all of a sudden is like, oh, Pittsburgh Steelers are getting a lot better. Probably the Baltimore Ravens are getting in their own way. Yeah, they got 101 fouls. 101. That kills you. It's just. It's death to you. I don't care how good you are, you can't get penalties like that. And this is what they're doing. And the Pittsburgh Steelers are quietly going, okay, Baltimore. Right. It's interesting.

[Paul Pabst]

If the Eagles played the Lions this weekend, who would you take? I'd say neutral field, Eagles lines.

[Dan Patrick]

The way the Eagles are playing the last two weeks, two road wins, they're playing pretty good, Dan. And here's the key for me with the Eagles. I wanted to see how they were going to play the Rams on the road with a veteran quarterback, some talented receivers that where they could throw the ball. Their defensive line dominated them. That's taking place now. That front is going. Those young players they have in the back of the secondary now, they've gotten better. The offense is no longer. Oh, hurst can run RPO. No, you turn around and give it to 26 and see what he can do. Now that's another story. The giants allowed number 26 to catch a cab and come down to Philadelphia. He caught a cab. We'll pay your cab fare. You. We don't need you. You go, really? He's going to run for 2,000 yards.

[Paul Pabst]

By the way, more valuable. Josh Allen or Saquon Barkley.

[Dan Patrick]

Josh Allen.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Josh Allen. He's. He might be the MVP candidate right now.

[Paul Pabst]

Oh, I think it's his to lose.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I love him. He's more than a quarterback. He is a teacher. Football player. You know, he reminds me of. We'll take us back there where we want to go.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

John Elway.

[Paul Pabst]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Strong, big run, rugged. Right. That kind of guy.

[Paul Pabst]

Who would you rather have to start.

[Dan Patrick]

Your franchise, John Elway or Allen?

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

You would ask. Now, I think either one. You're going to be pretty.

[Paul Pabst]

No, no, no. We don't do the either one. Okay. Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm gonna tell you this because I played against him and I respect him. I'm gonna say John El.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay. All right. Always good to talk to you.

[Dan Patrick]

You too, my friend. You be well now.

[Paul Pabst]

Thank you. Thank you. That's her med ESPN football and love his energy. Former NFL college head coach. I love his voice, the game cab. All right, let me take a break. We'll come back. We will give you our best and worst of the weekend. After this, be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

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[Dan Patrick]

So join us every morning on NBC to make TODAY your home for the holidays.

[Paul Pabst]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

My best of the weekend. Friday night's eight overtime game in Athens.

[Paul Pabst]

Between the Bulldogs and Yellow Jackets.

[Dan Patrick]

Georgia was down 17 nothing at the half, down 2713 with five and a half minutes left in the fourth, only.

[Paul Pabst]

To lose 44 42.

[Dan Patrick]

The Dogs take 4442 over the yellow Jackets. The worst recently fired Matt Eberfluss and the Bears brutal mismanagement. The clock don't snap the ball until six seconds left, causing an incomplete pass.

[Paul Pabst]

To be the game's final play.

[Dan Patrick]

There were shots of Jared Goff and his lines. Teammates in total disbelief that the game actually ended that way. 23:20.

[Paul Pabst]

Detroit. I hated, hated overtime. Georgia, Georgia Tech. Now you can watch that game and say, boy, I was excited. I don't want a game to come down to that. It's gimmicky. Hey, you get a two point conversion and then you get a two point conversion. You just, if you want to do it, have an overtime period, hopefully it's settled. Then you want to do first team to score and those stats count. Like, I mean, it's just silly. It really is. It's college just playing overtime, that's all. Because they, you know, they like to say, well, they're not pros and we don't want to make them play an extra quarter. Okay, then sudden death, that's fine. But not two point conversion. Two point conversion. Cedar. Best and worst of the weekend. My best of the weekend, Mike Tomlin, that dude, he's a hell of a coach. All he does is win. All he does is win. That's a great weekend for Russell Wilson. It's a great weekend for the Steelers. Hell yeah. Yeah. My worst of the weekend is the Cincinnati Bengals. I don't know how it went so wrong there this year, but they cannot catch a break. They even got spotted seven points and still lost. Their defense is so bad that Joe Burrow goes out there and says, I've got to get 40 points to win. And that wasn't enough, right? Joe Burrow is joining a pretty select company, a group of players. In the super bowl era, only four quarterbacks have thrown at least 30 touchdown passes, had a passer rating of at least 100 and averaged 275 passing yards per game while playing on losing teams. DeSean Watson, Matt Ryan and Drew Brees did it twice. That's the company that he's in. He's had an unbelievable year. I thought he was going to be an MVP candidate. He's lived up to his end of this. The Bengals defense is terrible. Marvin. Best and worst of the weekend.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, I took Syracuse out. Cause that goes without saying.

[Paul Pabst]

That's absolutely. Round of applause that. Now that felt like you're kind of asking for a little humble brag there.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, was that. Oh, you guys picked up on that.

[Paul Pabst]

Oh, did you pick Syracuse to beat Miami out? That's crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

Bob didn't even put it in the open.

[Paul Pabst]

That's incredible.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, I got two other best. Leonard Williams at the Seahawks. A 91 yard pick. Six against his former team, the New York Jets. Oh, Jets. Terrible.

[Paul Pabst]

Was there anybody on the jets who cared about this play after he had made the interception or the. Yeah. To chase him down? I mean, I mean, he is a 6 5, 300 pound guy. And I was waiting to see any of the jets in the picture.

[Dan Patrick]

I think there was a guard trying.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. Yeah, that was it.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. The Speedsters.

[Paul Pabst]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Nowhere to be found.

[Paul Pabst]

Waiting for somebody.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Other best. The Yara documentary on Max. So good. I don't even want to give it. Give anything away. No spoilers, no nothing. It was just amazing. And Michael McDonald is chef's kiss. I mean, top five, dead or alive.

[Paul Pabst]

The documentary on HBO, Max, it's called Yacht Rock. And if you live through it, like, even if you didn't, you'll. You'll listen and you go, wow, you guys like that kind of music or wow, I understand why you like that kind of music. Kenny Loggins, Michael McDonald, Toto, those are some of the stars of the documentary. And I watched it yesterday. I thought it was great. Todd, you got to watch Yacht Rock.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm definitely going to watch.

[Paul Pabst]

I mean, this is in your wheelhouse. And by the way, hall and Oates, not Yacht Rock.

[Dan Patrick]

Nowhere to be.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, they even, they even mentioned that they're not Paulie. Best and worst of the weekend.

[Dan Patrick]

I'll go with the Notre Dame Fighting Irish and quarterback Riley Leonard. After the loss to Northern Illinois at the start of the year, it seemed chaotic and they righted the ship. Riley Leonard, great run and shoot quarterback. You're having a very good season. They take down the Trojans 49, 35. Worst of the weekend. I don't want to see Purdue football lose 66 to 0. I know. Purdue football is never great. They're sometimes good. Two years ago, they were 8 and 6 and they let Jeff Brahm go, the head coach. They didn't want to pay him. He went to Louisville and now they're 1 and 11 and getting smoked by Indiana, who they used to be. Used to be the other way around.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

So that's kind of sad. Yeah.

[Paul Pabst]

I saw that score and I was like, oh, my gosh, somebody gonna lose their job. And he did. Update the poll results if you can. Seaton from the second hour.

[Dan Patrick]

Let's see right now. We got up there. Well, we'll start with who had the worst weekend.

[Paul Pabst]

Matt Eberfluss, Ryan Day, Kirk Cousins, or Justin Tucker. Right now, Ryan Day has ticked down to 63% of the vote.

[Dan Patrick]

That's not so bad.

[Paul Pabst]

Keep your head up, coach.

[Dan Patrick]

Things are getting better.

[Paul Pabst]

Things are getting better. Hmm. There.

[Dan Patrick]

Maybe not.

[Paul Pabst]

His beard look good, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paul Pabst]

We had an interesting suggestion from Todd today too. Do you celebrate or acknowledge your dating anniversary years or months since your first date?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes or no?

[Paul Pabst]

That much like Marvin's humble brag right there. It sounds like Todd would like to celebrate something today. Okay, go ahead, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

Today is my 28 year dating anniversary with my wife. Our first day was in Brooklyn on 12 to 96. And it made same day, same year. It made me wonder, and it was a Monday.

[Paul Pabst]

12, 2, 96. Today's a Monday.

[Dan Patrick]

It made me wonder if you guys acknowledge those things. Is it romantic? Is it corny? Is it silly?

[Paul Pabst]

What do you think it is?

[Dan Patrick]

I think it's romantic, but I can see the argument for really, it's not even a whole number. It's just 28. It's not 20 or 30 or 10.

[Paul Pabst]

But I think there's something to be.

[Dan Patrick]

Said for the anniversary of your first date.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

Your wife or husband.

[Paul Pabst]

Congratulations. Thank you. Yeah. Congratulations about a round of applause for Todd. You did.

[Dan Patrick]

It means the Broncos win today.

[Paul Pabst]

Oh, I don't know. I don't know. No, no, no. What would you rather have?

[Dan Patrick]

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