Dan Patrick (2:10)

Oh, French dressing.

A.J. Jacobs (2:12)

Exactly.

Dan Patrick (2:14)

That's good.

A.J. Jacobs (2:14)

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Dan Patrick (2:22)

Something about Mary Poppins?

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Exactly.

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Dan Patrick (2:39)

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.

LeVar Arrington (2:43)

It's the Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys here as we will be taking you all the way up until Noon Eastern Time, 9:00 Pacific. A lot of people looking around, going, well, now what do we do? The NFL's over. College football's over. We could pile on the Lakers who defecated down the side of their leg last night.

Dan Patrick (3:10)

They haven't been bad.

Brady Quinn (3:11)

The Hornets, they haven't been good. Not since Lucas gotten there.

Dan Patrick (3:15)

Yeah, they haven't been bad since Lucas got there.

LeVar Arrington (3:18)

They just lost to the Hornets.

Dan Patrick (3:20)

He's played.

Brady Quinn (3:21)

The Hornets are 14 and 39.

Dan Patrick (3:23)

What? They might have three losses since he's gotten there. I think they're like, he's only played in three games. Yeah, but I've said since he's gotten there. Yeah, he's.

Brady Quinn (3:32)

He hasn't scored more than 20 in any game, I don't think. Has he?

Dan Patrick (3:35)

I don't know. But I think their record since he's gotten there is like. It was like 10 and 2 or something. 8 and 2, something like that.

LeVar Arrington (3:42)

Might have some recency bias, but they looked awful last night, so.

Brady Quinn (3:45)

I mean, does 8 and 2 matter if he's only played in three games?

Dan Patrick (3:48)

I mean, just the record. I don't know. I mean, I guess he hasn't contributed directly in the game. I know. Since he's gotten there.

LeVar Arrington (3:56)

Yeah, I know. It's.

Brady Quinn (3:57)

I mean, he's coming off an injury. You guys, are you missing the point? Like, he. He literally has not only played in three games.

Dan Patrick (4:02)

I think you guys are exercising, like, self hate here, man.

LeVar Arrington (4:06)

Like, what's going on here?

Dan Patrick (4:08)

Internal hate, bro. Like, y'all need to stop that.

LeVar Arrington (4:10)

I got it.

Dan Patrick (4:11)

It's his influence over the team that has changed. What? That's the point you guys are missing.

LeVar Arrington (4:16)

Okay.

Dan Patrick (4:16)

Luca's effect.

LeVar Arrington (4:18)

No.

Dan Patrick (4:19)

Yeah. You guys.

LeVar Arrington (4:21)

You're making a mockery of our summer. That's what you're doing. This is our summer.

Dan Patrick (4:26)

Yeah. A long ways off from that. All I'ma say is we're taking over.

Brady Quinn (4:31)

They're one and two, by the way, in the three games he's played since they've been back.

Dan Patrick (4:34)

Ah.

LeVar Arrington (4:35)

You know, and they beat Utah.

Brady Quinn (4:37)

Yeah. But actually, they split with Utah.

LeVar Arrington (4:39)

Yeah.

Brady Quinn (4:39)

Before they lose.

Dan Patrick (4:41)

You know, you guys are hating. I Just, I'm just letting you guys know they're. They're on their way up.

LeVar Arrington (4:47)

You know, just be a bitter because we're taking over.

Dan Patrick (4:49)

They're ranked fifth. They're right. They're. They're ready to go. They're 34 and 21.

LeVar Arrington (4:54)

Take six in the super Bowl.

Dan Patrick (4:55)

Luka's getting back. Right?

Brady Quinn (4:57)

That's Contest Is that three years in a row now, by the way.

LeVar Arrington (5:00)

Three point shootout. Oh, yeah.

Brady Quinn (5:01)

Is that the greatest 3P that's not being talked about.

Dan Patrick (5:03)

Is Mac McClung 100% an Irishman just.

LeVar Arrington (5:06)

Went and took from you.

Dan Patrick (5:08)

I mean, y'all did give it to him this year. There were, there was another fella that had better dunks than he did that happened to be different than him. But you know, that's, that's kind of. Sometimes that's the, the, you get the benefit.

Brady Quinn (5:21)

Sounds like you're making excuses.

Dan Patrick (5:22)

Yeah, well, sometimes the excuse is you get the benefit of the doubt, you know, that's all. It's like, oh my gosh, his dunk is so much better because he was able to do that dunk. Because. Fill in the blank, you know?

Brady Quinn (5:33)

Is the dunk contest a rite of passage in the NBA?

Dan Patrick (5:37)

Not anymore.

Brady Quinn (5:38)

Well, no, no, no, no. But, but like, that's the wrong answer because it's either a rite of passage or it's not.

Dan Patrick (5:45)

It's not anymore.

Brady Quinn (5:46)

Okay, so here's what I'd say then is if you are one of the all time greats, Jordan did it, Kobe did it, Dr. J did it.

Dan Patrick (5:53)

Yeah.

Brady Quinn (5:53)

LeBron's never done it.

Dan Patrick (5:55)

Correct. That definitely works against him 100%. Like what you're afraid of. Like, get out there and. And dunk. That's.

Brady Quinn (6:04)

Which is interesting because he dominated. You'd think he'd win one if he did do it because he's maybe the greatest athlete the NBA's ever seen.

Dan Patrick (6:12)

You would think again. I said they made, they made documentaries off of Michael Jordan doing dunk contests. I mean, you made it a point to redo Space Jam. Why wouldn't you go out there and dunk? Like, I felt like Space Jam was a product of Mike doing Come Fly With Me, which was a product of him doing dunks. And the dunk contest.

LeVar Arrington (6:37)

Yeah, you guys had your run.

Dan Patrick (6:39)

Oh, it's that bro that cats just don't want to do it anymore. Like, if you had the best of the best doing it, but still with him, the way his dunks are pretty fly. I'm not gonna lie to you. Like, no matter who would be out there. Those dunks would be pretty hard to outdo. They'd be pretty hard to outdo. So good for.

Brady Quinn (6:57)

I mean, had a perfect score this year, right?

Dan Patrick (6:59)

I think when you see guys get the opportunity to showcase their athleticism in those dunk contests, I think that that's what makes them so cool to watch in the past. That's what I told you this on maybe Q. You weren't on the show, but I was like, you got to know players that you wouldn't normally get to know. Like, Kenny Skywalker is one of the biggest names that jump out at me, where it was like, I didn't know who he was. It was an obscure name. You wouldn't have known who, what team he played for, what he did, who he was. Then all of a sudden you see this dude come out from the New York Knicks and he's doing like air ballet. Like, the dunks he was doing were crazy for. For that time period. And he won, and people knew who he was after that. And he had a nickname, Kenny Skywalker. Like, I don't know. I just, you know, I think it's changed. I think the idea of it has changed. I think what it represented changed. There was a lot of clout that was connected to winning the dunk contest at some point in time, and I don't think that exists anymore.

Brady Quinn (8:00)

So I bring this up because Brendan Hayward talked about the NBA All Star Games decline has basically occurred since Kobe left. And obviously Kobe did the dunk contest. But it brings up an earlier point where I was talking this week just about the difference between watching the four nations USA Canada game as compared to and on at the same time as the NBA All Star Game and the lack and intensity of it. And I think when I heard the comments from Brendan Hayward about, you know, the decline and why it's declined, what he was talking about. I keep hearkening back to this idea of intensity. And I think one of the things that stands out to me is if you look at the torch that has been passed from Michael to Kobe, Kobe, if you will, to LeBron, those guys set the tone. Like, I've always felt like, you know, in walkthrough periods for football, for example, your leaders, your impact guys, your stars are the ones that set the tone. Like, I'll never forget Von Miller when he came in as a rookie, and he. He took every single period like it was a game rep. It didn't matter if it was a walkthrough. And I remember it literally used to cause fights with offensive linemen in Denver because of how hard he wanted to come off the ball and all that. And eventually, eventually what ended up happening was, you know, after the coaches would say something, the players would get in a fight and there'd be a little bit of that going on. They would just let him do his thing because he was obviously so successful at what he was doing. They weren't going to change what they were doing, but they weren't going to just do it, do a full out, one on one rep with him either. And I look at and I compare that to like, what's happening in the NBA All Star Game is, you know, you had sga, you had wimby, you had guys who were out there competing and there was a level of intensity. But when LeBron sits out and when he's not a part of that and when he's kind of been the, the bearer, if you will, the torch bearer for the NBA now since Kobe, you look at it and say like, well, how much responsibility does he really have in all this? Since he's ultimately the tone setter, you know, when things happen in the league, when there's a shape shakeup and different things that occur, he's usually behind the scenes part of it. Clutch sports is behind the scenes part of it. And so I kind of look at it and go, well, is that part of the decline? The fact that like, you've got someone who's, who's obviously been one of the greatest of all time, there's no one going to dispute that. But are we at where we're at because of this transition and the way maybe LeBron views the league and LeBron views the NBA All Star Game as compared to Kobe and Michael and some of the other guys who kind of carried the torch for the NBA before that?

Dan Patrick (10:40)

I think what you're saying at the last part with Kobe and Mike, I think is what's damning if what you're saying is true, if it's accurate, that the decline is based off of, you know, what, what LeBron James does, then you're in trouble. Because when Michael Jordan was coming to the end, there were guys like Kobe Bryant that were there to be the megastar that was going to step in and be that next major figure. You had Shaquille O'Neal, you had the Vince Carters, you had T.R. mcGrady, you. I mean, you had plenty of guys that were stepping up to be figures that, that kept the brand growing strong. Even as individual brands themselves, they were keeping the brand going strong again. I think that disconnect continues to the gap of that disconnect post LeBron is continuing to grow. And whether people want to admit that or not, you can have the most talented. Because I don't think anyone will dispute the fact that GU guys are more skilled and more talented than what they've ever been. But there's not the same connection between the players and the fan base. It's just not the same for one reason or another. I don't know. But there is no anointed one that you're saying, okay, when, when LeBron is done, this becomes the guy that you can hang. That's the bell cow that you can hang our brand on. And he's going to carry it and continue to build. There's no we're going to have a conversation at the most brilliant thing that could have ever happened with LeBron James's era of time is that he became comparable to Michael Jordan in terms of being the greatest ever. That debate has kept him relevant and has kept the NBA relevant for all this time. And who do you have to say that about now? Name me one player in today's NBA that you would say, now, people throw out the fact that. That you have. What was it? The Joker winning the. The MVP as many times as he's done. And then you compare that to some of the greats that have ever done it. But let's be clear. Are we really going to say that we're going to carry the NBA brand with Joker? I don't think that's going to. I don't think that is going to be legit or feasible to think that he's going to carry the brand.

LeVar Arrington (13:07)

I don't think he wants it either. For whatever it's worth, a dude likes gambling and he just loves his horses, right?

Brady Quinn (13:13)

He just loves his horses.

LeVar Arrington (13:14)

I'm just saying, give that guy a horse and a sports, he's fine.

Dan Patrick (13:18)

There's not a name. Anthony Edwards is a name that jumps out at you because he has the personality, that intensity that you're. You're talking about. Q. He brings it to the game every single game he plays in.

LeVar Arrington (13:31)

I think he just came out recently and said, man, I don't want to. I don't want to be the face of the NBA. Like, I'm not. Yeah, I don't.

Dan Patrick (13:37)

I just don't. I don't know who is, who will be, who can carry that mantle, who. Who can carry that torch. I don't think there. It's not wimy. I don't see it being wimy. Wimy is no different than what, a Tim Duncan. No, it's. I don't know what it is. There has to be that it factor that's there for that guy to do it. The only guy that has the it factor, if you ask me, is. Is Anthony Edwards. He's the only one that has the it factor. He's the only one.

Brady Quinn (14:07)

Was Magma clung that in the White Men Can't Jump remake, Was he? I don't think he was.

Dan Patrick (14:13)

Was he? There was a remake, too, wasn't there, by the way? Yeah, I didn't see it, by the way.

LeVar Arrington (14:17)

Talk about a movie that's been proven fiction.

Dan Patrick (14:21)

Woody Harrelson dunked in the movie.

Trevon Edwards (14:24)

Fake.

LeVar Arrington (14:25)

False narrative.

Dan Patrick (14:26)

He dunked in the movie. Did you see his calf muscles in the movie? He dunked. He had bigger calf muscles than Wesley Snipes. I don't know what y'all hating on your own people for, man.

LeVar Arrington (14:38)

They feel like there's some bitterness for you, you know, we're taking over.

Dan Patrick (14:42)

I don't get it.

LeVar Arrington (14:43)

We're taking over.

Dan Patrick (14:45)

Doc likeness. Take it over. He tripped out. The man has one interception for a touchdown. Now y'all take it over to NFL.

LeVar Arrington (14:56)

That's right.

Dan Patrick (14:57)

If there's one, he played pretty good. If there's one. Category 2 sports where I'd say y'all ain't taking over no time soon, if ever, is going to be football and basketball. Sorry. Like I told Q, y'all stick to. To golf, stick to hockey, stick to horse ride and be equestrian. I think.

Brady Quinn (15:17)

I think Tom Brady's still on the top of Mount Rushmore.

Dan Patrick (15:19)

Pretty sure that's one player. Name. Name all the rest of the players that are the greatest players.

Brady Quinn (15:25)

I mean, it was Joe Montana before that.

Dan Patrick (15:27)

Let's go, let's go ratio. That's. Cause y'all love. That's. And the point is, you prove the point. That's why y'all focus so much on quarterbacks. But you know what? We're coming for that, too.

LeVar Arrington (15:35)

Who is the MVP of the year?

Dan Patrick (15:37)

We're coming for.

LeVar Arrington (15:42)

Who is the MVP of the NFL this year?

Dan Patrick (15:45)

Oh, man. Should have been. Saquon Barkley is who it should have been. That's. That's what I'll say.

LeVar Arrington (15:49)

But he didn't fit the criteria, apparently.

Dan Patrick (15:52)

Of course he didn't.

LeVar Arrington (15:53)

Not with this takeover.

Dan Patrick (15:54)

No, he didn't. Yep. Who won the Heisman this year? Who was the Heisman winner? Oh.

LeVar Arrington (16:00)

Oh, okay.

Dan Patrick (16:00)

I want to talk about it. Oh, okay. Interesting. I just. You know, Dylan Gabriel got well, Saquon Barkley got robbed. I mean, let's be clear. It should have been a clean sweep, too. Offense, defense, mvp. Should have been a clean sweep. But, you know, you got to maintain to everybody out there, don't hate me and call me a race baiter, too, because that's Brady and Jonas. Just so y'all clear. Just so y'all clear, we get over.

Brady Quinn (16:28)

Talking about the dunk contest.

Dan Patrick (16:29)

What y'all want? Like, I'm not afraid to engage our job.

Brady Quinn (16:33)

We go from talking about the NBA, also great. All of a sudden we're a race baiter.

Dan Patrick (16:38)

I asked you guys what guys could do it, y'all said yokich.

Brady Quinn (16:43)

Now you sound like you're being Ryan Clark. Now you're getting all this.

Dan Patrick (16:47)

I'm no victim. Don't do that. I am engaging two white males that want to make this up. Racist. And I'm gonna get jumped on the X because I am the one that's responsive to what y'all are saying. I'm not afraid to respond.

LeVar Arrington (17:06)

Now, just for those that familiar with the back and forth here, we did do a deal. There was a claim trade that was made months ago where we and this accepted terms were signed. We got Patrick Mahomes. Lavar gets Babe Ruth. All right, like, we feel like that benefits both teams moving forward.

Dan Patrick (17:30)

One is current and one is long gone. That. That's. That's super fair.

LeVar Arrington (17:34)

That benefits both teams.

Dan Patrick (17:36)

Super fair. But I took it. I won Babe. I want the Babe. Y'all see his list. Give us that, sport. I want the Babe. Y'all are out of control, man.

LeVar Arrington (17:51)

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Brady Quinn (20:42)

There was something sentimental when you like when you send it, you know, it's.

Dan Patrick (20:45)

Like, do I send the heart now?

Bobby Bones (20:48)

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Brady Quinn (20:49)

It's extremely pink.

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Dan Patrick (21:00)

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Dan Patrick (21:05)

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Dan Patrick (21:18)

The first interview I've done in bed.

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We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting.

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Brady Quinn (21:28)

There were 60 pages.

Nathan King (21:29)

And try to get to the truth of what really happened.

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And they said, we're finished. This is over. Not only is not going to work.

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You got to get rid of those guys.

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It's a disaster.

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Yes, that was a real horse's head.

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Dan Patrick (21:58)

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Something about Mary Poppins. Exactly.

Dan Patrick (22:02)

Oh, man, this is fun.

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Dan Patrick (22:21)

French dressing.

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I thought to myself, I bet I.

Brady Quinn (22:33)

Know what this is.

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And now I definitely know what this is. This is so weird. This is fun. Let's try this one.

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Bobby Bones (22:57)

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LeVar Arrington (23:03)

It's the Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Levar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys coming up here. 20 minutes from now here on Fox Sports Radio. Apparently there's an NFL team that's making an interesting move. Interesting move, money involved. We will get into that for you again, 20 minutes from now here on Fox Sports Radio. So here we go, the College Football Playoff, which featured a matchup, I don't know if you guys knew this or not. Between Penn State and Notre Dame. The College Football Playoff could be very, very clear.

Dan Patrick (23:37)

Yesterday, the SEC used as a weapon.

LeVar Arrington (23:41)

Yesterday, SEC commissioner Sankey, Big Ten commission Tony Petitti agreed that there should be a change to the way the 12 team college football Playoff teams are Seated. And the change should come this upcoming season. So for everybody out there that was bitching and moaning about, you know, automatic qualifiers going to conference champions, whether it be, you know, Arizona State getting a buy or the buy going to Boise State, don't worry, they've stepped up, but it looks like we could see a change coming up here. Pretty.

Dan Patrick (24:11)

And what is that change? What does that represent?

Brady Quinn (24:13)

Well, the, the, the change I think is going to be more in regards to the seating of how they go about doing it, which I think most would agree. If the top four teams, the way they're ranked, however that that falls out, those teams ultimately should be able to get the buy. And I think as far as how the rankings are awarded, it was a little bit confusing for some out there because they didn't really understand how the automatic qualifiers worked for the conference champions. And then when you had a team that was not within the autonomous four, power four, call what you will in Boise State, who gets a buy? People are scratching their head going, wait a second, I didn't think that was possible. Or, for example, the ACC champ in Clemson, who was outside of the top 12 in the rankings, they still obviously get an automatic bid into the playoff. And so people are like, that doesn't make any sense. So I think what you're going to see is a change in the seating as far as how the teams 1 through 12 are going to be seeded once they get to the playoff. Now, it could, by the way, it could be 1 through 14. It could be 1 through 16 at this point, which if it's 16, we don't have to worry about buys or we shouldn't. We should make them all play. I would say this, though, is my biggest concern about where we are at with the College Football Playoff as it currently exists. If you start creating automatic qualifiers, what bothers me is this is not the NFL. And when I say that, I mean we understand that winning your division is paramount. All right? A division's comprised of four teams. Well, look at how some of these super conferences are constructed. I mean, you have big ten with what, 18 teams. You know, maybe it stops there, maybe it keeps growing. The SEC, etc, Big 12, acc. And, and what we saw in year one was the difference sometimes in scheduling, where a team like Indiana could potentially not have to really play anyone difficult outside of Ohio State. I guess you could throw Michigan in there. Even though it was a down year for Michigan and they beat them, they got them at home. So credit to Coach Signetti and crew, but that wasn't the Best Michigan team we've seen. Right. Clearly the top teams were Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, as far as that goes, and then Indiana, you'd probably say somewhere after that. So the general point is that if you start creating automatic qualifiers for the Big Ten and the SEC and really any other conference for that matter, it takes away from the games. Like you're like, everyone knows the ending to the story. So it takes away from the intrigue of the regular season. Like to me that's one of the greatest things about sports is the fact that your regular season has to matter. And if you're now basically saying that, well, the top four teams from the Big Ten will get in, the top four from the SEC will get in, it's like, well, okay, I mean, how really hard is your schedule going to be? You know, as far as your non conference, do you need to schedule anyone tough anymore then? Or is it just about how you finish within your conference and how that that works out, how those tie breaking scenarios work out. So if they don't figure out a way for the final weekend, because, because ultimately what's being sacrificed is the conference championships, they're basically null and void. Because if there's an automatic qualifier, you'd almost rather not play. As long as the season is, you'd almost rather be able to get a break, get extra rest and if you're Ohio State, for example, be able to prepare for that home first round match of versus Tennessee and then go on the rest of the way on a war path to win, to win a national championship. So I sit there and just say we got to be careful because if some of the powers that be aren't and they get a little too greedy and I keep talking to you guys about how well you can do the math on this too. Think about this. If you get four guaranteed teams in for each one of those conferences every year, you're guaranteeing what your conference is at least being paid out through that first round, which is obviously important for those conferences continuing to separate themselves from the Big 12, from the ACC, from every other Group of 5 conference that's out there. So in part it's about money, but it always is. But the other portion of this is we can't sacrifice the sanctity of what has always been a regular season sport and the different ways we've kind of anointed our champion with the way we're going about looking at this playoff format like that's what concerns me the most about some of the discussion about these automatic qualifiers.

LeVar Arrington (28:38)

So not the number of teams, it's the automatic qualifiers.

Dan Patrick (28:41)

Here's what I'm curious about. If we're basing it off of the ratings, what you're rated is going to dictate where you're at. What rating are we using?

Brady Quinn (28:50)

Ranking.

Dan Patrick (28:51)

Ranking. Ranking. What. What ranking are we using? Are we using an ap? Which one are we using? Because to me, that has to be universal. If you have three different rankings and, and you have teams that are in different slots, then to me, that creates confusion. If you're, if you're not going to honor the fact that a team actually some way somehow won their conference, if that's not going to be honored, I don't have a problem with that. If you're going to say we're using strictly rankings, then go with strictly rankings. And that one established ranking body, like, you don't need a committee. You don't need a committee other than to say, okay, one plays this team, two plays this team, three plays this team for one through eight. You just figure out who they play in the next eight or, or whatever it may be. But to me, if you're looking at it from the standpoint of we're looking at who wins the conference, it has to matter. It has to matter. I don't care if you were the best team all year and you find a way to lose and you don't make it into your conference title. That's what it's all about. If you ask me, a team that was able, like take for instance, a team that, I don't know, like Ohio State, doesn't play for the, the, the, the conference championship, but yet they play for the national championship and win.

Brady Quinn (30:27)

Right.

Dan Patrick (30:27)

Like, to me, okay, we could say that Ohio State, in theory, was the best team all year, even though Oregon proved out to be the best team. I can't see myself taking away the value from Oregon winning the Big Ten. Because we're saying that this team over here, even though they lost and even lost to Oregon, is the best team in college football. Either you're going to honor who wins their conferences and say this is a way for us to differentiate these groups in the power four. They won their conference. They're in. Either we're going to differentiate it that way or we're going to say we're totally going to the ranking system. And if you go to the ranking system, you can't have all these different rankings out here. Ratings or rankings of. Well, yeah, of the teams. You can't have it.

Brady Quinn (31:14)

But, but, but, but they don't they don't factor in the coaches and AP and all that. Like, that's not. I mean, obviously the College Football Playoff committee uses all the different analytics and they do factor in some of the different computer systems into their model and how they go about selecting. And in fact, like, I didn't mind the bcs, I actually thought the BCS system, which encompassed a lot and there was a human element, there was a computer element. And what I liked about the most, honestly, was the numbers. You could kind of see how far certain teams were behind, but for the most part, it's been pretty lock and step what the committee has picked. There's been a few differences over the years, but for the most part, like it's been in essence an extension the committee has of the BCS, I would say with 90 some percent accuracy, based on what the BCS would have been. And that's ultimately what we go off of, at least in college football. Now, I think the next step, moving forward and it's too hard to do because you have more, too many teams. You know, now maybe we get to a point where we do only have the Big Ten in SEC and they kind of create their own level of play and scheduling and a format for determining the national champion, which I'm not trying to advocate for one way or another, but I'm just, I'm saying if you're looking for a more fair model, it doesn't seem like we have an issue with the NFL's model for a playoff system. How we go about determining the winner of division, the winner of the, you know, the ranking and of as far as the conference, you know, the team that gets the buy and so forth, one through seven, that would be where you ultimately want to get to. But part of the issue with that is, is one, the College Football Playoff Committee rankings don't come out till October. So if you're a TV network and you've paid all this money for the regular season, which all these networks have, you need something to sell them. It can't just be the brands themselves, right? Even though Ohio State, Michigan will always be one of the highest rated games, it helps when they're one and two, right? It helps when we feel like there's something on the line there. For any of the matchups, any rivalry game, any of these Big Ten matchups or big time matchups, it helps when you have something to sell. And that's one of the reasons why the AP poll has continued to still be in existence. The coaches pull to some degree, but really most publications Use the AP poll until you get to the College Football Playoff. And there's that transition to everyone then using the College Football Playoff rankings, since they ultimately matter as the ones that we use to kind of sell the game and sell the excitement, enthusiasm behind it and why people should watch. So, you know, unfortunately, we're not to a spot where I think we can remove rankings altogether. We probably never will, because the history behind it. But to me, at least, I do think being able to award, to your point, the teams that I think not only win their conference if we're still doing conference championship games, but but also the teams that should be, you know, the top four ranked, if we keep it at 12 and there's four buys like that, that ultimately should be how we go about reseeding this thing after it's all said and done before we play the playoff.

Dan Patrick (34:18)

You mentioned the NFL way of doing it. Isn't it too many teams outside of the power four that would get left out if that were the direction we went in?

Brady Quinn (34:28)

Because there's too many. Forget the, forget that. There's too many teams outside. Just a Big Ten in SEC. Even with the Big Ten in SEC, they're going to have combined more than 32. So it would be extremely difficult to do it. I think the other part is, is you'd have a number of division winners who really wouldn't be. And I don't think it doesn't hold weight. Yeah, I mean, they just, they wouldn't be as competitive like you would have teams that would win a division that you'd say they're going to probably get smacked or blown out.

Dan Patrick (34:57)

Yes.

Brady Quinn (34:57)

And so there's, there's no real easy way of going about, you know, handling that outside of saying, if you're the Big Ten. Let's just say hypothetically, I mean, they can't do this. But hypothetically, if they had four divisions, if there were only 16 teams and you sprinkled Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Iowa, Wisconsin to take your pick in one of the other divisions, you would basically be lining up the conference to have it play out so that you've got, you know, those four strongest teams win their division than to make the playoffs to give you the best chance of advancing a team to the super bowl or, excuse me, to the national championship.

Dan Patrick (35:30)

Uncomfortable conversation that has to take place is if you're not a Power 4, you're not. You're not eligible. I think that's the uncomfortable conversation that has to take place. Sorry. If you're not a Power 4 team you're not, you're not eligible to compete for the national title. And just know that going in. Just know that that's what you got to deal with going in.

Brady Quinn (35:51)

Period, buddy. I think it's going to go a step further where the uncomfortable conversation is going to be where do the Big 12 and ACC live? Because it feels like at times with the difference in what those conferences are paying out their teams compared to the Big Ten and SEC, that the ACC and Big 12 right now are kind of closer to those group of five teams conferences than maybe they are the Big Ten and the sec. That's how it feels.

Dan Patrick (36:15)

So it's going to turn into the Big Ten, Big 12. Done. I mean, SEC. Yeah, my bad. So, so, so basically what's going to have to happen is you do a pro style model of how you get through each conference. Each conference is going to represent what the NFL represents and then the winner out of. If y'all say, okay, let's bring the best team from each conference and they play for the national title, I think that makes sense. You don't even have to have a tournament. You win the Big Ten, you play for the national title. You win the sec, you play for the national title against the winner of the Big Ten. And then now, I hate to say it, but then now Notre Dame has to make a choice. They got to decide are we going to Big Ten route or are we going to SEC route, but we got to go into one because we want to be able to compete for a national title. I mean, I think that, that ultimately that's what it sounds like that might be what it would turn into. I mean, that would be the most logical way of looking at it. How many teams are in these, how many teams are in these conferences now?

Brady Quinn (37:15)

It's what, 18 in the Big Ten. The SEC has what, 16 now.

Dan Patrick (37:19)

So I mean that's, that's not quite 32, but that's a lot of teams. That is four. But yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying, I'm just saying if each conference like think. Yeah, I guess, I guess you could look at it as that represents the AFC and the nfc. I'm just thinking total in total, if one side represented in total what the, the playoff. The playoff looks like. You know what I mean?

Brady Quinn (37:44)

Here's, here's what it says that if that's the scenario we're talking about. Again, we're just hypothetical.

Dan Patrick (37:48)

Hypotheticals. Yeah, it's hypotheticals.

Brady Quinn (37:50)

It's hypothesis is you wouldn't want to leave out programs like Miami Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina. Like, there's a lot of other teams that are either a part. I mean, even Colorado in the Big 12, right? Texas Tech, who's been United Times competitive. Oklahoma State. There's, there's other teams that you could bring as part of this. Now, there would have to be more expansion. But the truth of the matter is, is, yes, there's a dividing line there, and maybe there's more realignment waiting to happen, but at this juncture, it's. There's still so much to be sorted out. So, again, I understand the question about Notre Dame. Notre Dame's always found its place and found its way of still being a part of the process when it's all said and done. And I think they would even in that case, while probably because, because here's the, here's the truth. Like, here's the, here's the truth to all this. If everyone would have went the route of Notre Dame in football, I'm saying in football, you go back eight years ago, all right, and we just say, hey, there's something coming, and, and there's going to be realignment. There's going to be all these shifts and changes, and maybe the PAC12 is not even going to exist. Like, how can we avoid that? Well, let's just do this. Let's take football and all the Power 5 programs. At that point, they're going to go independent and we're going to figure out another way of making their schedule and making a playoff system and everything else, and we're going to keep everything else the same. We're not going to demolish the PAC 12 because you know of football and have to sacrifice the softball team at UCLA flying across the country to go play Rutgers. You know, we're not going to force those teams to do that. We're just going to take football. We're going to have them construct their own schedule. However we deem that fit based on it could be the College Football Playoff, could have been whoever, but had everyone else gone that exact same route, we wouldn't be in this mess that we're in, at least in regards to the conference realignments and some of the difficulties that a lot of these schools are facing, and a lot of it from a monetary standpoint, too, because even though they're getting more from the conference, they maybe joined their expenses just went way up for travel and everything else that's involved. So that's how we complicated things. Instead of like everyone who in their free world wants to say, well, Notre Dame needed to join a conference. It's like, well, no, maybe you guys actually messed this up because instead of just allowing the conference to be what they may be, you guys should all went independent, at least in football and then you could have constructed something that worked for just football and we didn't ruin life, the student athlete life for every other college and conference and sport out there.

LeVar Arrington (40:21)

Yeah, it's, it'll be interesting to watch how this all plays out, but it does feel like a lot college football is in a, in its own category. Like, and we were talking about this a little bit New Orleans. Like, I don't even think, I don't like college basketball and college football feel like two different levels as far as interest, what they provide. Like, it just feels like college football is its own league. Like the top two leagues in the NF or in the world of sports are the NFL. And then college football and everybody else is just sort of lining up. So it feels like they should be doing their own thing. But it is two pros and a cup of joe here. Filling in for the Dan Patrick show here on fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox. Coming up next year, though, we do have money money in the NFL. And if you've got it, you can be a part of the NFL in a very special way. We'll explain coming up right here on fsr.

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Brady Quinn (46:47)

I had a few hundred bucks for cash. I think my wife just gave it to our babysitter.

LeVar Arrington (46:51)

So that's gone just like that, huh?

Brady Quinn (46:54)

Well, she was like, hey, I forgot to go to the atm, get some cash for the babysitter. You got anything in your wallet? I'm like, yeah, how much you need?

Dan Patrick (47:01)

She's like, yeah, there's a few bucks.

Brady Quinn (47:03)

I went back and looked at my wallet. It's all gone.

Dan Patrick (47:05)

Wow.

Brady Quinn (47:06)

I don't even know how much I had in there. So it goes to show you I have no idea what's going on, but. Yeah, not sure I'm gonna be a part of that one.

LeVar Arrington (47:13)

Yeah.

Brady Quinn (47:13)

No.

LeVar Arrington (47:13)

That's too bad. So I would.

Brady Quinn (47:16)

I would. If offered the opportunity, I'd try at least. I mean, I'd sell our home, make our kids have to live in a shanty or like a cardboard box outside.

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But.

LeVar Arrington (47:24)

Yeah, well, I mean, it would be in the Bay Area, so, you know, there's plenty. Plenty of those around.

Brady Quinn (47:30)

Just because you own a piece of it doesn't mean you have to live there, bud.

LeVar Arrington (47:32)

Okay, well, just giving you options. All right, so this is the norm now. This is going to be happening more and more. People kind of throwing out a little percentage there.

Brady Quinn (47:43)

The NFL said you can still up to 10% of your team. And here's the thing is the 49ers, their investment arm, as dove into delving in a couple other ventures, and in part because if you look at a lot of these NFL franchises, like, now's the time to strike, I think, to get an infusion of cash from outside investors who want to be a part of it that aren't going to have as much control as you're going to have as the. As the majority owner. But whether it's stadium renovations, whether it's, you know, you want to help out your roster, whether it's an owner who wants to kind of put some in his pocket, you know, all those things are going to be sorted out. But there's also the opportunity to invest into other sports teams and ventures. You know, the 49ers were. The people, know it or not, are the majority owner of Leeds United, which is an English, you know, football team. And that team happens to be at the top of its league at this point. If it stays that way, they will get promoted to the Premier League. And once they get promoted to that level, there'll be an infusion, about 100 million in cash just from where they bought them when they got demoted or relegated, and then from where they're going to be if they get promoted if things stay that way. And so there's reports now that the 49ers, they may be interested in a Scottish football team, the Rangers fc. And so, you know, we kind of heard about some of this because of Ryan Reynolds, right, with Wrexham. And obviously, they bought it for cheap. They were. I should say, they bought it for good value. They were able to pump some money into it, make a documentary about it. Now people have become fans, and this is kind of that trendy model of being able to take some of the things that you've been able to apply with your data analytics and apply it to operating other franchises, other teams to then have success. And with the way the relegation promotion model works, you can do it. I mean, the 49ers have, have proven it. I mean, there was a lot of speculation when they took over an English soccer team how this whole thing was going to go. And what are these, what are these bloats over here and you know, in the United States know about, you know, having a soccer team? Well, apparently, you know, a decent amount, you know, based on how things have gone last year where they got over 90 points, they were in the actual championship game for the playoff to get promoted in this year so far sitting at number one. So this is not going to be uncommon, I think, as far as teams getting an infusion of capital from private equity, but also because I think they have other interests. I think, you know, you, you see them looking to find ways of making money outside of just the normal operations of a football team.

Dan Patrick (50:14)

I wonder, you know, we talked about the oversaturation of the, the NFL. Has it hit its, its bubble? Has, has it hit its ceiling? I mean, I feel like selling off the fact that they're getting to the point now where they are selling off the percentages, the 10% of, of the franchises is like a slow way of backing out. Slow way of backing out. And if you're good money, if you're a good, shrewd businessman, I mean, if you're slowly backing out of something, chances are if you're trying to pull your money away from something, why would, I mean, I guess if you feel like you want to run towards that with your money, maybe you do, but I don't know, that gives me pause, like thinking of the fact that, you know, they want to get involved in other things, like, you know, that or whatever. I just, I don't know, man. You know, you take your, you take your eye off of what the main, the main thing is and the main thing changes and becomes something else, then the main thing isn't the main thing as it applies to what the old main thing was.

LeVar Arrington (51:18)

You don't think they can multitask? I mean, maybe they Scottish team and they.

Dan Patrick (51:22)

Maybe they can. I just feel like that, that raises red flags to me. Like listening to how Cube, just how you just explained it, that raises red flags to me. I mean, I'm just being honest. So there you go. That's what it, that's not a red flag.

Brady Quinn (51:35)

It might raise a red flag, but it's going to raise a lot of green.

Dan Patrick (51:37)

Yeah, of course, of course, of course. But what does that mean for. I mean, that's green for the people who are involved with the ownership groups doing it. But what does that mean for the sport itself, you know? What does that mean for the NFL itself, you know? I don't know.

LeVar Arrington (51:52)

Means they're in a good spot. $9 billion teams, a good spot to.

Dan Patrick (51:57)

To what? To walk away? Like cash out? Like 9 billion, 900 million. You're starting to move away, back out. I don't know. It's just a red flag. To me, it's a red flag. Come on, bar man, go to break. What do you mean, go to break? I don't know what you're doing right now.

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Catch Jon Stewart back in action on the Daily show and in your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. From his hilarious satirical takes on today's politics and entertainment to the unique voices of correspondents and contributors, it's your perfect companion to stay on top of what's happening now. Plus, you'll get special content just for podcast listeners, like in depth interviews and a roundup of the week's top headlines. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A.J. Jacobs (53:51)

Dressing. Dressing.

Dan Patrick (53:53)

Oh, French dressing.

A.J. Jacobs (53:55)

Exactly.

Dan Patrick (53:57)

That's good.

A.J. Jacobs (53:58)

I'm A.J. jacobs, and my current obsession is puzzles. And that has given birth to my podcast the Puzzler.

Dan Patrick (54:05)

Something about Mary Poppins?

A.J. Jacobs (54:07)

Exactly.

Dan Patrick (54:08)

This is fun.

A.J. Jacobs (54:09)

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Mary Kay McBrayer (54:21)

I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now, women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice, and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the Greatest true crime Stories Ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.