Hour 2 – Rick Neuheisel, Louis Riddick

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show: Hour 2 – Rick Neuheisel, Louis Riddick

Release Date: April 25, 2025

In the second hour of The Dan Patrick Show, hosts Dan Patrick and Paul Pabst engage in a comprehensive discussion on the 2025 NFL Draft, featuring insights from special guest Rick Neuheisel, a seasoned college football analyst and former head coach. The conversation delves into draft strategies, player evaluations, and the implications of recent draft decisions, all while maintaining the show’s signature blend of humor and in-depth sports analysis.

Introduction and Guest Welcome

The hour kicks off with Paul Pabst introducing the segment as "Meat Friday," signaling an energetic and engaging discussion ahead. Dan Patrick shares a personal anecdote about receiving an unexpected hug from a fan, setting a lighthearted tone for the conversation.

Dan Patrick at [03:07]: "I got a hug very recently, about two minutes ago. An extended hug there."

NFL Draft Analysis: Shador Sanders and Quarterback Selections

The primary focus of the hour is the 2025 NFL Draft, with particular attention paid to quarterback selections. Dan and Paul discuss the surprising slide of Shador Sanders—a highly talented quarterback and son of Deion Sanders—who wasn't drafted in the first round as many anticipated.

Dan Patrick at [28:09]: "He's one of the best quarterbacks in the country... he slid."

Rick Neuheisel provides his expert analysis, expressing both surprise and understanding of why Sanders might not have been a first-round pick despite his on-field prowess.

Rick Neuheisel at [09:49]: "He's a courageous player in the pocket... he stands in there and takes people right in his face and still throws accurately."

Team Strategies and Quarterback Market Dynamics

The conversation shifts to team strategies, particularly focusing on the Cleveland Browns and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Neuheisel critiques Cleveland’s decision not to draft Shador Sanders, suggesting that trading up could have benefited them by securing a franchise quarterback.

Rick Neuheisel at [08:52]: "If I was Cleveland, I would have taken him for a number of reasons... He's going to put people in the stands."

Discussing the Steelers, Neuheisel voices concerns over their lack of a second-round pick and their future at quarterback, highlighting the precarious situation they face without securing a dependable QB.

Rick Neuheisel at [14:06]: "Pittsburgh... what are they going to do at quarterback now? It's Aaron Rodgers or bust."

Player Evaluations and Recommendations

Dan Patrick passionately advocates for picking Shador Sanders, citing his exceptional talent and potential to transform a franchise. He compares Sanders' impact to that of legendary players he's played with, emphasizing Sanders' natural athleticism and game-changing abilities.

Dan Patrick at [35:07]: "He is maybe the most throw for throw, most talented thrower in this draft... You just haven't heard about him."

Neuheisel echoes the sentiment, praising Sanders' dual-threat capabilities and his potential to redefine how quarterbacks are evaluated in the NFL.

Rick Neuheisel at [10:13]: "Travis Hunter is a unique athlete... the Swiss army knife of Jacksonville's franchise."

Light-Hearted Moments and Musical Interlude

The show takes a humorous turn when Rick Neuheisel improvises a song, showcasing his playful side and adding a relaxed dynamic to the intense analysis.

Rick Neuheisel at [16:11]: "So this is how this worked, ladies and gentlemen. I get a call this morning... And by the way, did you all know that I was born in Wisconsin..."

Neuheisel continues with a comical narrative about his birthplace and interactions, much to the amusement of Dan and Paul.

Host Banter and Listener Interactions

Throughout the hour, Dan and Paul engage in spirited banter, discussing personal anecdotes, listener calls, and the atmosphere at the draft events. They update listeners on poll results regarding which team made the better move between the Browns and the Jaguars, reflecting the audience’s engagement with the draft outcomes.

Dan Patrick at [06:24]: "Right now we got up there long term, who made the better move, the Browns or the Jaguars? 67. Say the Jaguars."

They also interact with callers, addressing their thoughts on draft picks and sharing humorous stories from the draft venue, enhancing the show’s interactive and relatable appeal.

Closing Remarks and Transition

As the hour progresses, the hosts wrap up their discussions on draft strategies, reiterating their support for key players like Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter. They tease upcoming segments, including "Rhyme Time," and mention future guests like Louis Riddick, ensuring listeners remain engaged and anticipate future episodes.

Dan Patrick at [40:12]: "The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft... Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio."

Conclusion

Hour 2 of The Dan Patrick Show offers a deep dive into the complexities of the NFL Draft, enriched by expert analysis from Rick Neuheisel and the dynamic interplay between Dan Patrick and Paul Pabst. From dissecting quarterback selections to engaging in lighthearted banter, the episode provides listeners with a thorough and entertaining overview of the draft's key moments and implications for the upcoming NFL season.

Notable Quotes:

• Rick Neuheisel at [09:49]: "He's a courageous player in the pocket... he stands in there and takes people right in his face and still throws accurately."

• Dan Patrick at [35:07]: "He is maybe the most throw for throw, most talented thrower in this draft... You just haven't heard about him."

• Rick Neuheisel at [16:11]: "So this is how this worked, ladies and gentlemen. I get a call this morning..."

This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, ensuring that both regular listeners and newcomers can grasp the key discussions, insights, and the engaging nature of The Dan Patrick Show.

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[Rick Neuheisel]

You are listening to the Dan Patrick show on Fox Sports Radio.

[Paul Pabst]

It's hour two on this Friday. It's a meat Friday. And what a great. Again. All three days, wonderful people lined up for a couple hours to be able to get in and well see if Fritzy wants to hug them. Have you gone out and.

[Dan Patrick]

I got a hug very recently, about two minutes ago. An extended hug there.

[Paul Pabst]

Did you ask about it or did somebody else ask you?

[Dan Patrick]

It was initiated by the young lady in the front and it lasted a little longer to the point where I thought I had to call my wife to explain that I had a situation. But.

[Paul Pabst]

So wait, you're blaming her for.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm not blaming her, but if it would have lasted three more seconds, I would have felt like I had to share something with my bride to let her know that we had a little moment.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay.

[Dan Patrick]

So I wouldn't feel guilty on the flight home. But it was very nice. She was very cordial and very sweet and excited to be here.

[Paul Pabst]

Thank you, Todd.

[Dan Patrick]

And she said that I get picked on a lot, which was very nice that she acknowledged the bullying that goes on.

[Paul Pabst]

No, you're making that up.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't initiate that at all. She said, we love you, even though they give you a hard time all the time. But we love.

[Paul Pabst]

But why did you bring that? You didn't need to bring that up just now.

[Dan Patrick]

Explaining what that I just. It was part of the experience of the moment that I just had. Sounds like it was just initiated by.

[Paul Pabst]

I think you had a reason to bring that up to let everybody know you get picked on. Yes. Marvin, I want to feel bad for.

[Dan Patrick]

Fritzi sometimes, but with this show, I always say everybody here has a closed fist and sometimes we don't even swing. He just runs right into.

[Paul Pabst]

Right. That is true.

[Dan Patrick]

So well put. That's very well said.

[Paul Pabst]

Yes. Like when you didn't think the Broncos had a first round draft pick while being a die hard Bronco fan. You walked right into my fist.

[Dan Patrick]

The sad thing is we have computers and Internet and like I could have in a second just checked on my own instead of realizing if I just say that out loud, I'm going to get crushed for that. If for some reason that that was accurate. The Broncos had 20.

[Paul Pabst]

Like, there's been mock drafts. Did you ever look at a mock draft and go, oh, wonder what they think.

[Dan Patrick]

I think I looked at 1 to 19 and then went 21 to 32.

[Paul Pabst]

You missed the Broncos. So weird. By the way, it's a meet Friday. We have wings and the bar is famous for their flats. Also, cheese curds and brats today. Who has it better than we do? Nobody. That's what I love here. All right, so day two, in case you're wondering, and I'm sure you are, who is going to draft Shador Sanders? ESPN and NFL Network spent a lot of time talking about a guy who didn't get drafted last night. So the Browns are the favorites and I think they take him with the first pick of the second round. Then it's the Raiders, Saints and then the Steelers, jets and Rams distant third, a distant fourth. They're all tied at plus 1200. But is there an over under Paulie today on when should are we establishing an over under on when Shador Sanders gets drafted?

[Rick Neuheisel]

Yeah, we haven't seen it this morning, but like you said, the second round.

[Dan Patrick]

Starts with Browns, Texans, Titans, Browns again.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Raiders, Patriots, Bears, Saints had the ace.

[Paul Pabst]

Pick of the second round, Jalen Milroe get drafted today. His odds to be taken by the Browns plus 200. Mr. Irrelevant to be a quarterback plus 800, in case you were curious about that. All right, 8 7, 7, 3. DP show email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle @DP Show Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. Poll question for hour two. Then we bring in our good friend Rick Neuheisel. Seaton. Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Right now we got up there long term, who made the better move, the Browns or the Jaguars? 67. Say the Jaguars.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay. All right. Okay. What else? You're gonna put up something new.

[Dan Patrick]

We're also putting up there right now who will be the NFL rookie of the year? Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Austin Gentee.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay. Or other.

[Dan Patrick]

Or other. Yes. As well. Right now, 56 of that vote has Travis Hunter, followed by Ashton Genti.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, Cam Ward, 0%. I have the over under passing yards for cam ward for 2025. You guys want to take a guess over under according to DraftKings, Cam Ward, rookie year. Marvin, 2700 yards.

[Dan Patrick]

Todd 2712 $1 2713. Paul 22.

[Paul Pabst]

53,250 3,250 yards for Cam Ward.

[Dan Patrick]

That's not happening.

[Paul Pabst]

Wow, you're taking the under.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I'm gonna take the under on that. Sorry. Like, who's he throwing the ball to in Tennessee?

[Paul Pabst]

I don't know. They got some guys, don't they? They have to. Yeah, I think so. I think you have to. Roster wise. I think so.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Are we playing? Name your Titans wide receivers. We don't have time for that. Kevin Dyson, Calvin Ridley, Tyler Lockett, Van Jefferson.

[Paul Pabst]

Oh, yeah, they just got Lockett.

[Dan Patrick]

Treylon Burks.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, and Burks is a former first round draft. That guy. All right, so he's got some guys to throw to. He is Rick Neuheisel, a former coach and he is hosting every round of the draft coverage here in Green Bay. And throughout the year, you can hear him hosting full ride on Sirius XM College Sports Radio. Rick Neuill joins us on the program here.

[Rick Neuheisel]

What's up, boys? How are we doing?

[Dan Patrick]

How's everybody?

[Rick Neuheisel]

My man.

[Paul Pabst]

Hi, buddy.

[Rick Neuheisel]

How you been?

[Paul Pabst]

I like that Rick is hosting his radio show right now.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Right now.

[Paul Pabst]

While he's on my show.

[Rick Neuheisel]

So nothing like being paid for not working. Exactly.

[Paul Pabst]

Thank you. Thank you for the respect. Great to see you. Let me ask you the question I've been asking everybody else. You're Cleveland. You're on the clock. Last night, you would have done what?

[Rick Neuheisel]

I might have traded into the first round there for that 32nd pick. Just switched with the Chiefs. I might have traded into that. Just because you get the fifth year. If in fact Chadour is the choice, you'd love to have a quarterback for that fifth year. And if he hits like you all hope that he will, then you've got an extra year to negotiate him being the franchise guy going forward. But that was the story of the draft. You know, the weight, whether or not Chador is going to last, all the stories that were coming about about interviews and body language and things of that nature. At the end of the day, they're going to start looking now at the tape again and see that Shador Sanders is. Is a courageous player in the pocket. He stands in there and takes people right in his face and still throws accurately. 74 passer. In some ways it is almost like they were teaching him a little lesson in humility and. But now somebody wants to get a really good player.

[Paul Pabst]

Would you have taken Travis Hunter if you're Cleveland?

[Rick Neuheisel]

I think Travis Hunter is a unique athlete and I thought that Andrew Berry, the gm, was going to take him. When he called him the Shohei Atani of the NFL, I said, you can't say that about him and then not take him. But what he was doing was pitching that to some Suitors because now he gets Jacksonville's, I think, first rounder next year.

[Paul Pabst]

Right.

[Rick Neuheisel]

And they get Mason Graham, who helps make Miles Garrett a better player and more worth the money. They just paid Miles Garrett because he's going to attract so much attention inside.

[Paul Pabst]

So what would you have done?

[Rick Neuheisel]

I like what Jackson. I think Liam Cohen is a terrific young coach. The Tampa Bay offense is exhibit A of the evidence of that. I think he's got a star on both sides of the ball. We got a chance to interview Travis after he was selected. What a bright kid. A unbelievably confident young man. And I mean that in a very kind way. But there's no question in my mind that he can play both sides of the ball if his body will hold up. And that will be interesting to see how they use him as the kind of the Swiss army knife of Jacksonville's franchise.

[Paul Pabst]

But Daniel Jeremiah said that with the Browns were going to have him major in offense and minor in defense.

[Rick Neuheisel]

That's right. To go along with Jerry Judy. I think Liam Cohen, being an offensive guy, has got all sorts of plans for him offensively. But the one thing, and he knows this from his, you know, his college coach, Deion Sanders, you can play lockdown. He has the skill set. You just go lock that guy down. And to the. The gift for a defensive coordinator to have somebody that can take the number one receiver away in, in particular into the boundary. You can play all sorts of other things with your 10 other guys that confound a quarterback as long as you can take their alpha away. And I think Travis Hunter has the gifts to do that.

[Paul Pabst]

We're talking to Rick Neuheisel, the CBS Sports college football analyst, former college head coach. When you see Cam Ward in his grade this year, but if he was drafted last year, would have been maybe the sixth or seventh.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Right.

[Paul Pabst]

Quarterback. Okay. Does it make sense for Tennessee to take a guy who would have been the sixth or seventh quarterback a year ago and you take him number one overall?

[Rick Neuheisel]

It may not make sense to Tennessee, but it certainly did to Brian Callahan. He's got to have a guy. And Will Levis, for all his attributes, still has what I call a panic reflex when the the bullets start flying in a pocket. There was a wanting to get the ball out and it was irresponsible. Too many turnovers, whether it was fumbles or interceptions. Cam Ward is that fixable? Potentially. See, I think Bo Nix had that. I think Bo Nix had that at Auburn and I think it's calmed down at Oregon. Still was Evident. But we just saw him emerge in the second half of the season last year with getting better and better. So yeah, I think it is fixable. It's gonna, you have to really pound it with attention. And I don't know how much more, many more snaps will Levis is going to get in Tennessee now that they've invested the way they have in Ward. But if you watch Ward, whether it be an incarnate word, Washington State or this last year at Miami, an unusual amount of calm, a Mahomesian amount of calm in terms of just finding Houdini ways out of the pocket and making a play, sometimes to his detriment, making a turnover and he'll have to correct that. But unusual poise in the, in the pocket that when it, when it, you know, the house is on, fiverr on, the house is on fire. He gets the baby out of the house. He gets it out. So I think it was a wise choice, the right choice given their situation. And I hope Cam Ward, I heard that 3250, I think that's probably about right. You guys are all, I think 2700 somewhere in there. Yeah, I would have taken the over of all where you were. I would have said 3,000. But I, I think the guy's gifted.

[Paul Pabst]

Give me the strategy you didn't like from last time.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Pittsburgh, you know, they have dealt, let Justin Fields walk out the door. They've let Russell Wilson walk out the door. Mason Rudolph comes back. He knows the culture and no one has a more indoctrinated culture than the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I know they feel comfortable with Mason Rudolph, but they don't have a second round pick right now. What are they going to do if there's, you know, Shador probably will be gone. I don't know if the kid from Louisville will be gone. Tyler Schuck, you know, it's, it's a fascinating tale for the Steelers. I think Milroe would have been a great pick. They have played against Lamar Jackson for a number of years and know what kind of a headache that is. And especially now that you have DK Metcalf and Pickens as your alpha receivers, much like the Eagles have Devonte Smith and A.J. brown. When you have those two guys and you always get single high because you have to have eight men in the box because the quarterback's a run threat, that's a nightmare. And the Eagles took it all the way to the national championship and it's a case study right there with, with Jalen Hurts at Alabama as a 60% passer before he went to Oklahoma. And Now Milrose is 64, 65%. I know he's 16 and 11 were not touchdown interception ratio this year, but last year it was like 20 something to 8. I think Milro was worth something for the Steelers. I'm surprised they haven't figured out a way to get to him because with those two alphas out there as the receivers and his ability to throw the ball deep, he would have been a real weapon for the Steelers.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, I was told last night that the Steelers liked the kid out of Louisville.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Yeah, Tyler Shuck.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. So they might. That might be a third round pick for them. But I was told that they like him.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Yeah, listen, the Saints are in the quarterback market. Obviously Cleveland's going to be in the quarterback market. I just for them to be without a second round pick makes me nervous for them.

[Paul Pabst]

You normally give us a song when you see us in person.

[Rick Neuheisel]

So this is how this worked, ladies and gentlemen. I get a call this morning. Hey, well, do you have your guitar? Like I travel like a bandolier, like, you know, with my guitar on my back, you know, Bob Dylan, you know, coming across the country. I said, thank goodness. I don't. Oh, but we have one. But we have one.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, we.

[Rick Neuheisel]

So I've got a. You've got a guitar here. So I penned a quick song. Okay, that is a quick song. We'll see if this works, but you're gonna have to. And by the way, did you all know that I was born in Wisconsin, the son of Dick and Jane Neuheisel. Dick and Jane Neuheisel. Dick is from Cash In, Jane is from Viroqua and both went to the University of Wisconsin. I was born right there in Madison at Madison General. And when Dick Vermeil and Brent Musburger I coached. My first game at Colorado was at Camp Randall against the Badgers. So, you know, those two guys took Dick and Jane in a car for the a sightseeing tour around the campus. He pointed out the hospital and said, that's where. And my mom said, that's where Rick was born. And my dad pointed at a Cadillac and that's where Rick was conceived.

[Paul Pabst]

Oh, whoa.

[Rick Neuheisel]

That didn't go over so well.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, do you want to bring the microphone up there a little bit? Marvin, would you help?

[Rick Neuheisel]

Come on, Marv. What are we doing here? So this given what took place last.

[Dan Patrick]

Night.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Little Diddy, about Dion and Son, they went last night thinking they were number one.

[Dan Patrick]

No worries.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Shador can still be a star. Just gonna have to start in the back seat of someone's car. Oh, yeah. Singing Life goes on long after the thrill of being number one. Oh, yeah. Singing Shador will go on. Let's all root for the kid because he sure ain't number one. Something like that, you know.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Very little time. Very little time.

[Paul Pabst]

You're the John Lennon of former college coaches. I mean, just you, you whip that up out outside, we hand you over.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Here going, I gotta have something. I can't. When you have no talent, there has to be something that draws away from the fact that you have no talent.

[Paul Pabst]

Well, you did give us Born in the sec.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Born in the sec.

[Paul Pabst]

That was legend.

[Rick Neuheisel]

That was a hit.

[Paul Pabst]

That was. That was great. Yeah, we had the Johnny Manziel tribute song as well. The Ballad of Johnny.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Ballad of Johnny. Down in the west, down in the badlands they call College station Lived a young Aggie named Johnny Manziel.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, exactly. Great to see you. Now you can go back to your show.

[Rick Neuheisel]

That I'm going to go do my show.

[Paul Pabst]

He is Rick Neuheisel.

[Rick Neuheisel]

You're the best. Thank you so much.

[Paul Pabst]

Thank you, coach. Full ride on Sirius XM college sports radio channel. We'll take a break. Louis Riddick of the Mothership will stop by right after this Dan Patrick show.

[Rick Neuheisel]

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[Rick Neuheisel]

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[Rick Neuheisel]

Nailed that.

[Paul Pabst]

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[Rick Neuheisel]

Yes. Paul, have you gone on record if you. If you like what the Giants are doing? Russ Wilson and Jackson Dart.

[Paul Pabst]

You like that? I don't think I would have gone for Jackson Darth to trade back in to go for him if he would have fallen to me, then maybe I like Abdul Carter. I'd like that a lot. But you got Russ and Jamis for a year or two, and then Jackson. Now I do like Jackson Dart, but I don't know if you trade back in and it's a great name.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Killer name.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. I mean, if you're going to be a quarterback, you're Jackson Dart. You're throwing darts. ESPN Draft Day coverage continues tonight at 7 Eastern and then Saturday at noon on the mothership. Lewis Riddick part of the coverage. I don't think he's had much sleep. He worked the draft last night. Let's make way for ESPN's Lewis Riddick, who joins us on the program.

[Dan Patrick]

What's up, guys? How are you? I'm. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just kind of like. Just kind of like making my way, man. I'm a little bit like a zombie, so I apologize. How's everybody doing out there?

[Paul Pabst]

I don't know if they slept either.

[Dan Patrick]

But, you know, they have. They have a lot of things to be happy. What a great scene, by the way, last night. The go back, Go Pack, Go chant. It's one of the iconic chance, man. It was. It's such a cool scene. I just hope they can duplicate it tonight. We need the energy.

[Paul Pabst]

How much sleep have you had?

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, man, it's hard to. It's hard to, like, kind of like come down off of that. That. Because, you know, you're so locked in for Four or five hours straight. You're analyzing every pick. To answer your question. Maybe about three hours or so. Three or four hours. It's about it.

[Paul Pabst]

You sleep a little bit today and then you get ready.

[Dan Patrick]

I have no time. I have no time. I'm leaving you. I'm going to another production meeting. I'm going to see Rich Eisen. Then I have to get dressed and we have a car, meetings. Yeah. This weekend. It's, it's all go, man. I'll go.

[Paul Pabst]

I'm a little worried about Mel Kuiper with, with Shador Sanders not getting drafted last night.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah, he, yeah. Met when, you know, when, when Mel, when Mel gets locked in, you know how that goes. He, he wants, he believes what he believes. And that's part of, like, that's part of draft evaluation. Right. You get convicted on something and you know, the, one of the things you have to do. I guess, though, Dan, when you're, when you're having the, when you're in the middle of the broadcast is, look, these are these individual players moment in time that they'll never going to have again. So you don't want to rob anyone else of their time because you personally feel a certain way about maybe another player. And I think sometimes, you know, fans can get, they get annoyed at that. And I get that. And I know there were some people who were a little annoyed last night that they thought that after Cam got picked that our conversation quickly shifted to where's Shador going to wind up going? And I get that. I understand it, but Mel's very, he, look, he believes what he believes about Shadow, the same way I believe what I believed about C.J. stroud and Jaden Daniels, you know, the past two years. So we'll see how it all turns out.

[Paul Pabst]

How surprised were you that he wasn't taken in the first round?

[Dan Patrick]

I am, but I'm not because, see, I, I, I'm surprised because, look, I know the football player. I know that this young man, if you strip away the fact that he's Shador Sanders and he's Deion Sanders son, and that he is someone who is very confident, very self assured, someone who has lived a great life because of his father, has had a great life, that there are some people who just inherently are very jealous of that. And look, when you're talking about player evaluation, there is a subjective, personal component to it. You cannot, it's hard for a guy. Look, there are human beings who are evaluating these guys and human beings who are picking them. And sometimes if someone Comes off the wrong way to you or you don't like it, it just doesn't jive with you. It's going to affect your evaluation. But the evaluation on the football field cannot be disputed. He's one of the best quarterbacks in the country. There's many people who would tell you, look, throw for throw, he can match up with anybody in this draft, whether that's Cam, whether that's Jackson Dart, whether that's Tyler. He can match up throw for throw. He had no help at Colorado, no offensive line. Like, he had more free runners come at him over the past two years than any quarterback in fbs, but still he slid. So what does that tell you? There's. There's some things that people just, Just don't like or don't feel are worth first round value. He's going to get picked today. And I'll tell you what, if you thought he had a chip on his shoulder before, if you thought he was a little bit surly before, look out.

[Paul Pabst]

Give me the draft night strategy. You didn't understand.

[Dan Patrick]

I didn't understand. You know, I, I think, Look, I, I understand why. I think the one that was probably a little bit of a risk. Look, I mean, Atlanta gave up a lot to move up in order to draft James Pierce. Okay. Who had some concerns about, you know, just, are you going to be able to trust James Pierce to do the right things all the time and be a dependable player and really fix the number one thing that has haunted Atlanta over the past four years, which is they just can't rush the passing. They just can't. James Pierce is like Javon Curse, though, in terms of athletic ability. 6, 5, 2, 45 runs. 447. I mean, that's ridiculous. But it's that. But that's. That's not really what determines success and failure all the time. It's about doing the right thing, being consistent and all that. So the price that they paid in order to get him. Look, I, I understand, like, when you're trying to get past rushers, you're trying to get difference makers, that you will. You will sometimes go above and beyond what you originally thought you would. I just hope that play that pans out for Raheem and the crew and Terry Font, not a GM down there in Atlanta, because they need him to hit big, real big.

[Paul Pabst]

I thought the Steelers were going to take a running back, you know, because you don't have Najee Harris.

[Dan Patrick]

Right.

[Paul Pabst]

They'd love to run the football.

[Dan Patrick]

True. But you know what? Cam Hayward's getting, is, is getting older. The defense, although it has been like their bedrock, they need to replenish it. I get it. What, I'm.

[Paul Pabst]

What, I'm surprised, but you don't have, you don't have a quarterback.

[Dan Patrick]

You're right. You're right. Look, and I'm not, I'm not really defending them, them. I'm just kind of like trying to look at it through their eyes. Look, Derek Harmon has to be big time for them. He has to be the next Cam Hayward, he has to be the next Aaron Smith. All those guys that, that were there and that played great football and helped them win Super Bowls and be, you know, perennial super bowl contenders. Look, I, I, I agree with you, though. I agree with you. What are they going to do at quarterback now? It's, it's Aaron Rodgers or bust. It just is. And that is a hell of a position to be in. Would you want to count on that?

[Paul Pabst]

No.

[Dan Patrick]

Would you want to count on him making a decision anytime soon? Does he sound like someone who wants to make a decision anytime soon? Absolutely not. And they're not going anywhere with Mason Rudolph. As much as I respect Mason Rudolph.

[Paul Pabst]

I was told last night they liked the quarterback out of Louisville, Tyler Shuck. Look, I think he's 25.

[Dan Patrick]

That, you know, he's still, he's still a guy who will be a two contract quarterback. He'll play 10, 15 years in the NFL. All the medical checks that he has had. Yeah, you know, because that's the other thing that people worry about, the injuries that he had. Look, he broke his collarbone, collarbone, twice running the football, got hit right on it, had someone roll on his ankle, fracture his lower leg. Those are things that can happen any court, you can't, you can't prevent that. So he's not injury prone. But I will tell you this, what he is, is maybe, maybe the most throw for throw, most talented thrower in this draft is what he is. He can throw the football right alongside Milroe, Cam, Shador, Jackson, all of them. You just haven't heard about him. And he's been tutored by Jeff and Brian Braum down there in Louisville. There aren't any better quarterback tutors in college football. Wherever he goes, just remember that name. Name. Remember Tyler Schuck's name. He is going to surprise the entire NFL in 2025.

[Paul Pabst]

He's got to spell his name differently, I think.

[Dan Patrick]

Shou G H does not sound like Shuck, does it? Yeah, no, our quarterback shucks.

[Paul Pabst]

He's Lewis Riddick of The mothership. Joining us and of course, the draft day coverage continues tonight at 7 Eastern. The rookie of the year will be who?

[Dan Patrick]

It'll be Travis Hunter. He's just. I said it when I was out there at his pro day. In all my years of football, I used to come up here to Green Bay. My cousin was Tim Lewis, who was drafted here in 1983 as the first round pick, the 11th overall pick. I used to come up here and train with him in the summertime. So I was around James Lofton, I've been around Andre Reed and Buffalo. My brother played there when James Lofton was there. I played with Jerry Rice, played against Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin, all these dudes. I have never seen hand eye coordination like Travis Hunter in my life. He is. He's the natural. He's just a natural athlete. He's a natural football player and he's a guy who. He's going to change the game. And James Gladstone, the GM of the Jaguars, talked about that, that this is a guy who's probably, when it's all said and done, is going to redefine how. Evaluate football players. And maybe, you know, he will be the standard by which a lot of guys, especially at skill positions are going to be. Are going to be judged from now on. He's got a tremendous cardiovascular engine that I'd love to see him take one of those tests like Lance Armstrong took one of those VO2 max tests. Because what he did at Colorado, you. You're not. Human beings aren't supposed to be able to do, especially not at altitude like that.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, I was going to say that.

[Dan Patrick]

And when I watched him catching the ball out there at, out there in Boulder, he didn't, he didn't wear gloves. Everybody wears gloves nowadays, right? You know the technology now with gloves, you just have to put your hand up there. It just. The ball just sticks to it. He had no gloves on. And I'm telling you, Shador was humming that football and you would just hear it as if it was. You were throwing that ball into a pillow. You heard nothing. He wasn't even looking. It was just like, like, it was just like. And I was just sitting there looking at. My mouth is just dropped open like, what is happening?

[Paul Pabst]

Okay, but you're giving all of this credit and praise. Did Cleveland make a mistake?

[Dan Patrick]

I would have taken him if I was Cleveland.

[Paul Pabst]

Okay?

[Dan Patrick]

I would have taken him for a number of reasons. One, he's gonna put people in the stands. You're gonna want to go. You're gonna want to Go see Travis the same way. People, when I played with Deion, wanted to come watch Deion Sanders play. It was a show. I mean, you know what that was like? Every time he touched the ball, you were like, this dude's about to do something that's going to be on SportsCenter.

[Paul Pabst]

But Dion could have done this.

[Dan Patrick]

Done what? Played both ways. Yeah, yeah, he could have. It could. And you know what? And Travis, Travis is not going to play 125, 130 snaps, combined offense, defense, every game. He can't do that in the NFL. You can do that in college, you can't do that in the NFL. And besides, you'll probably burn him out by about three or four years anyway. Do you really want to do that? To me, it's probably going to be like a 60, 40, 70, 30 split in terms of percentage. 70 offense, 30% defense. Make sure he's on the field on all third downs, all two minute situations. Somebody has an alpha receiver, put him on him. But on offense, look, in Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence is like, please put that guy on the field with me, him and Brian Thomas Jr. Come on. That's pretty good.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, that's pretty good. But you wouldn't, you wouldn't take a wide receiver number two and you wouldn't take a defensive back number two.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what? I played with Eric Turner in Cleveland, who Bill Belichick drafted number two overall in 91. And I would take any position on offense that could produce explosive plays and put points on the board and change the game at the drop of a hat.

[Paul Pabst]

But then why not Ashton Genti?

[Dan Patrick]

So I would take, I would take Ashton Genti number two. Look, the game, the game is about. The game is about explosive plays and how quickly can you score, how quickly can you alter the game? That's what everybody wants and I don't care where I get that from. Look, Aston Jensy is one of one. Is one of one. Also just like Travis's Ashton. I believe if he went to a place that had a relatively, let's just say top 12, top 10 to 12 offensive line. Aston Genti, I think could break Eric Dickerson's rookie rushing record. He could go over 1800 yards. If you see him, how he's put together, he can handle the load. It's just a whether or not you're going to give him enough opportunity to do it.

[Paul Pabst]

If he ran behind the Eagles offensive.

[Dan Patrick]

Line, he's easy over two Craig. Easily, easily, easily, easily. He's not as fast as Saquon, but I'm Telling you this dude, when you.

[Paul Pabst]

See him, who would you rather have?

[Dan Patrick]

Saquon, because he's a little bigger and faster, a little bit fat. Well, I mean, Saquon's four three. Ashton's probably like four four, one. But they're both great people.

[Paul Pabst]

What is the difference in 43 and 4 4?

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know. You asked me to make a choice, man, but I'm just saying. No, you know what?

[Paul Pabst]

Like, we get caught up in numbers.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, what's wild is like when, you know, when. At the draft, when they superimpose guys running 40s, you see like the difference between 44441 and 435 is. Is like a full stride. So that's the difference between a guy, you know, like, like a wide receiver, for instance, being even with a defensive back versus a. A quarterback looking at him going, he's got a full half yard to a yard of separation. I'm going to throw it to him. Or now it looks like he's even. I'm not going to. That's what it is. It's literally a step.

[Paul Pabst]

Jerry Rice ran a four six, 640.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what, though, on the field. And there is a.

[Paul Pabst]

There is football speed, no question, and. And regular track speed, right? There's no question because Jerry didn't get caught from behind.

[Dan Patrick]

Never. Look, Jerry, I played. Everything with Jerry was full speed. I have so many funny stories about Jerry Rice when we played against him, but yeah, he is. You know who else was like that? If Michael urban didn't run 4 4, 4 3. But you never very, very rarely saw anybody catching him from behind either. Now, what's interesting, right, There's. There's some speculation about, like, the wide receiver that the packers drafted number one overall, Matthew Golden. Golden ran high four two on the, on the field. You look at him, you go, is he really that fast? Does he look that fat? But I'll tell you now, as the season went on down there in Texas and he got more comfortable with offense, he looked for two in the beginning of the season. He didn't. So a lot of times, you know, how a guy plays on the field versus how he times on a track is a function of how comfortable are you with the offense that you're running. How confident do you feel? I mean, there's a lot of different things that go into that. But by the way, I love Matthew golden, by the way, and Steve Sarkeesian told me so. Sark told me just yesterday. Sark told me just yesterday. Wherever he goes, he is a character guy, a culture builder. He'll do exactly what you want, want. And he's got so much Runway ahead of him. And so for the packers to pay, I mean, it was just perfect. It was a perfect match between this organization and him. Perfect.

[Paul Pabst]

It's good to see you.

[Dan Patrick]

You get thanks for having me.

[Paul Pabst]

Thanks for all your contributions.

[Dan Patrick]

Always, man.

[Paul Pabst]

Whenever we called, you were available to help make us smarter.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I appreciate it.

[Paul Pabst]

Thanks a lot. He's Lewis Riddick of the Mothership. We'll take a break. We're back after this.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. IHeartRadio app.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Rick Neuheisel]

For what Steph has done for the game, he's certainly on that like Mount.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.

[Dan Patrick]

Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio.

[Paul Pabst]

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[Dan Patrick]

Red Volkswagen Golf was found abandoned in.

[Paul Pabst]

A ditch out in Sleep Hole Valley. The driver's seat door was open, no.

[Dan Patrick]

Traces of footsteps leaving the vehicle.

[Paul Pabst]

No belongings were found except for a cassette tape lodged in the player. On that tape were 10 vile.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

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[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

Horrific stories that to this day have been kept restricted from the public until now. You feeling this too?

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan Patrick]

In 1978, Roger Caron's first book was published. And he was unlike any first time author Canada had ever seen.

[Paul Pabst]

Roger Caron was 16 when first convicted, had spent 24 of those years in jail, 12 years in solitary.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Paul Pabst]

I had a knife go in my.

[Dan Patrick]

Stomach, puncture my spleen, break my rib.

[Paul Pabst]

I had my guts all in my.

[Dan Patrick]

Hands, only to find himself back where he started. Roger's saying is, I've never hurt anybody but myself. And I said, oh, you're so wrong. You're so wrong on that one. Roger from Campside Media, an iHeart podcast. Listen to GoBoy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Paul Pabst]

I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sud, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. How she's turning so called niche into mainstream, connecting audiences with stories that truly.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Make them feel seen.

[Dan Patrick]

What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there's so many stories out there and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content. The term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

[Paul Pabst]

Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment and sports collide and hear how leaders like Angeli are carving out space and shaking, making things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Want to thank the bar for hosting us this week? I want to thank the audience for showing up every single day. A spirited group. Been a lot of fun here, a lot of fun. But thank you for hosting us. And this is your super bowl and you Certainly showed out great last night. The atmosphere. And there was a almost a WWE feel last night when Mark Murphy got up there and he said this for.

[Rick Neuheisel]

The first time since 2002.

[Dan Patrick]

That's the wide receiver. Listen to this crowd. Oh, baby. Matthew golden, wide receiver of Texas. And he's here.

[Paul Pabst]

Pretty good. Yeah. Marvin.

[Dan Patrick]

Man, last night, dp, that was like wwe. When the glass breaks. Oh, it's stone Cold is here.

[Paul Pabst]

I can't even believe it.

[Dan Patrick]

Good D. He's wailing on the rock. I can't even believe it's stone Cold.

[Paul Pabst]

The crowd did go crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

They were like, for the first time since 2002. Oh, it's John Cena's here up. You can't see him.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, Paul.

[Rick Neuheisel]

We went out the whole back room, guys, and some of us went out.

[Dan Patrick]

For hibachi before the giraffe, which is.

[Rick Neuheisel]

A classic move in Green Bay.

[Paul Pabst]

Of course, they're known for their hibachi.

[Dan Patrick]

Hotbed of hibachi.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Green Bay.

[Dan Patrick]

Everyone knows that the.

[Rick Neuheisel]

The guy doing hibachi was singing almost the entire time. And he was like, really? Marv?

[Dan Patrick]

He was really good, right? He was very good.

[Rick Neuheisel]

But he and Marv started going back and forth on hip hop songs from.

[Dan Patrick]

The 90s 2000s, and it was like.

[Rick Neuheisel]

Like, I wish we had a film of it, man.

[Dan Patrick]

It was like Hibachi idol last night.

[Paul Pabst]

I like it. He was on fire. What were you singing?

[Dan Patrick]

He was sing. He started, you know, he started, you know. You want steak and shrimp? Yes. It's 7:00 on the dock I'm in my drop. He goes, what?

[Paul Pabst]

Cruising the streets.

[Dan Patrick]

Little duet. Okay.

[Paul Pabst]

We picture, picture day.

[Dan Patrick]

Ray asked if he knew any hollow notes. He goes, I'm not that old.

[Paul Pabst]

That's. That's. That's Fritz's wheelhouse.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I was disappointed, but he had a beautiful voice.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, but did you sing along with him? I did not.

[Dan Patrick]

I didn't want to share the spotlight. And he was doing his thing. And some of the songs I didn't know the words to that he was singing.

[Paul Pabst]

But by the way, Seon and I went out to dinner last night. We went to a place called the Iron Duck. And it was awesome.

[Dan Patrick]

It was awesome. Yeah.

[Paul Pabst]

Yes. We had a. A nice time. We shared some laughs.

[Dan Patrick]

Y.

[Paul Pabst]

And, you know, just some bonding. He's my favorite Danette. So he was last night. Yeah, we just had fun. We laughed at it. We finished each other's sentences. You know, we did this thing with.

[Dan Patrick]

The dessert where we wrapped our arms.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Around each other.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. Yeah. Anywho it was nice. Anywho.

[Dan Patrick]

It was nice.

[Paul Pabst]

And then you guys did a spaghetti thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Lady the Tramp.

[Paul Pabst]

No, no, but we. They brought out some Pappy Van Winkle. Bur Urban.

[Dan Patrick]

They did.

[Paul Pabst]

And that's when the night started to change. Got the.

[Dan Patrick]

So what do you guys think? One more? Okay. Yeah, sure.

[Paul Pabst]

Well, Seaton wasn't drinking, so he was driving the Mako van. You guys go ahead. Go nuts. I said, yeah, we're good.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Designated driver.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, I liked it.

[Dan Patrick]

Happy to be that.

[Paul Pabst]

That's why I brought him out to d dinner, so I had somebody who could drive me home. Jeff in Tampa. Hi, Jeff. What's on your mind today? Oh, Hi.

[Dan Patrick]

Good morning, D.P. i just want to thank you guys for bringing the heat this week. Green Bay has been fantastic. I appreciate you guys been on your A game. But as a Bears fan, I was hoping you could maybe make me feel a little better about passing over time. I mean, they had so many great performances all year. I think.

[Paul Pabst]

I think. Hey, Jeff, I think you're catching. Cat wants to eat. Hey, why don't you feed your cat? Okay. Poor little guy is there. But thank you, Jeff.

[Dan Patrick]

You know what Jeff just reminded me of? We got back to the hotel last night, and there were some people who had been enjoying the first round of the draft.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah, I think we'll say.

[Dan Patrick]

And it's funny, when you're walking with. With Dan, you sometimes, and you could see people see you before you've seen that they've seen you, if that makes sense. And then I see this dude doing that, like, sort of staggering, wobbling like an infant trying to stand for the first time. And he's going, is that somebody famous right there, right now? I can't believe it. You get me right now. You get me right now, buddy. Oh, my God. He's trying to get his camera out.

[Paul Pabst]

To take a picture, like.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, buddy, you want me to handle that for you, pal?

[Paul Pabst]

Because he was.

[Dan Patrick]

It was the other way.

[Paul Pabst]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

And that was Dylan, the graphics guy.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah.

[Rick Neuheisel]

He knows you.

[Paul Pabst]

Yeah. That's weird.

[Dan Patrick]

It was so awesome watching my guy try to stand like he's on a surfboard.

[Paul Pabst]

Andrew in Washington. Hi, Andrew. What's on your mind? Oh, good morning, DP and happy meat Friday.

[Dan Patrick]

Dan.

[Paul Pabst]

It just got done feeding my cat so you won't hear them in the background. Great. Hey, I wanted to see if Paulie wanted to extend our draft day pie to the face bet to the second round. Our bet was I had more running back to take it in the first round he had more quarterbacks. We tied, so there's no tie. But does he want to go into the second round and see if that bet can continue?

[Rick Neuheisel]

Which side are you taking? I think more running back.

[Paul Pabst]

I'm going to stick with my running backs. I had them.

[Rick Neuheisel]

You keep quarterbacks.

[Dan Patrick]

I, I agree with you.

[Rick Neuheisel]

I think you're going to be right. I can't take the bet. Okay.

[Paul Pabst]

All right. Thank you, Andrew. Let me see Tom in North Carolina. Hi, Tom. Adp.

[Dan Patrick]

I want to give you a shout out for that Jackson dart pick and also Marv Mark. They almost went.

[Paul Pabst]

I think the Giants were thinking that they.

[Dan Patrick]

That the Rams were going to pick it. So they jumped in front with that.

[Paul Pabst]

Trade to use trade from Houston and.

[Dan Patrick]

So they were thinking that the Rams were going to take it.

[Paul Pabst]

So again, get. Give him kudos for that.

[Dan Patrick]

And also as a Giants fan, now I'm feeling some of Fritz's pain of having Russell Wilson there. So is that going to be if.

[Paul Pabst]

He is going to be a journeyman until he retires? Probably so. But yeah, I mean it's still an upgrade. But you brought in Jameis Winston and then you bring in Jack. I got to just. If you're going to draft a quarterback, then maybe not bring in Jameis Winston it. And if you want to have Jackson dart and he's going to be there for a year watching, great. But. And, and you went up to get him and maybe, maybe they realized that somebody else was going to take Jackson dark. So I sort of get that. Seaton. Would you update the poll results from hour two?

[Dan Patrick]

Sure will.

[Paul Pabst]

I can smell the broads, by the way. Yep, I can.

[Dan Patrick]

Long term.

[Paul Pabst]

I. Oh, we got rhyme time with Fritzi coming up in the final hour of the program. Program. I think so it's rhyme time.

[Dan Patrick]

Ish.

[Paul Pabst]

There. There's a couple people that are interested in this. You want to wait until next hour, top of next hour to update the poll results there?

[Dan Patrick]

Sure. Okay.

[Paul Pabst]

Todd's got rhyme time coming up. And that'll keep. That'll keep people here. Tom Pelissero, NFL Network will join us as well. He's an insider and he'll join us inside here at the bar. Final hour in this Meat Friday, right after this.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Dan Patrick]

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