Hour 2 – Scalping Tickets to The Oddyssey, Stu Holden

Summary

The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2 – Scalping Tickets to The Oddyssey, Stu Holden

Date: July 16, 2026
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts / Dan Patrick Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This episode blends Dan Patrick’s signature sports talk and humor with an in-depth interview with Fox Sports’ Stu Holden. The main theme centers on reactions to recent international soccer (football) drama, particularly England's heartbreaking World Cup loss to Argentina, the emotional fallout in the UK, the controversial "bronze final," and the broader state (and future) of US Soccer. Interspersed are Dan’s takes on sports pop culture, listener calls from the US and London, and detours into moviegoing, delis, and the ESPYs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. England’s Crushing World Cup Loss and Its Fallout

Timestamps: 02:26 – 13:25, 23:41 – 37:48

• The Heartbreak in England (02:26):
  Dan opens by contrasting the highs of Argentina’s win with the profound low of England’s loss, discussing the rapid momentum shift in the last minutes and England’s desperate tactics in the closing moments.

• Listener Reports from London (10:13):
  Brandon, an American on a work trip, describes the devastation in London pubs, media outrage toward coach Thomas Tuchel, and the sense that no star English players will risk playing the third-place "bronze final."

  "I don't know if we've ever had national team heartbreak like London just had last night... His decision to go very defense-heavy...backfired." – Brandon (10:27)

• Should There Be a Third-Place Game? (29:25):
  Dan and Stu Holden debate the value of the World Cup’s consolation match. Stu questions its necessity, given player burnout and lack of motivation.

  "I think when it comes to soccer, I would rather settle third and fourth place based on your performance in the group stage and goals scored...I think it's...But, at the same time, here we go." – Stu Holden (29:52)

2. Tactical Breakdown: Why England Lost

Timestamps: 24:54 – 28:02

• England’s Defensive Mentality (24:54):
  Stu Holden explains England’s “playing not to lose” approach, how Coach Tuchel’s defensive substitutions sent the wrong message, and how this emboldened Argentina.

  "When you play not to lose, you invite pressure...They had 25 minutes, and they said, we're just going to try to hold on to this goal...It was like a snake slowly constricting its prey." – Stu Holden (25:25)

• Messi’s Genius (27:34):
  Dan and Stu agree on the incomparable way Messi finds space, controls pace, and mentally manipulates defenders.

  "He was like a quarterback that's setting up and looking at different defenses and thinking, 'Okay, where can I be dangerous now?'" – Stu Holden (26:23)

• Messi’s Walking, Lurking (28:02):

  "But you're right about him walking. He walks a lot. He lurks, he lingers, he looks harmless. And then, boom." – Dan Patrick (27:34)
  "He sees the game in a faster speed than everybody else. He said, sometimes walking is the best thing you can do because it makes everybody around you uncomfortable." – Stu Holden (28:11)

3. Previewing the Argentina-Spain World Cup Final

Timestamps: 30:31 – 32:28

• Stylistic Clash (30:31):
  Stu predicts Spain, if they score first, will win, crediting their cohesive national style, technical possession, and cultural identity, while Argentina brings passion and high press.

  "The greatest compliment you can give the Spanish team is that they never felt in danger at all during that game...It's harmonious." – Stu Holden (30:50)

• Key to Victory:
  Keeping possession in the anticipated New York heat will be crucial; Stu leans toward Spain’s style prevailing.

4. The State of U.S. Soccer: Systemic Hurdles and Pathways

Timestamps: 32:28 – 36:23

• Pay-to-Play and Development Gaps: Stu lays out systemic flaws: high costs, lack of access and pathways, commodification of youth sports, and insufficient community reach—contrasting the cost and inclusivity with European academies.

  "Soccer has been the sport of the future in this country for the last 40 years...That hurts, you know, it hurts us soccer people because we see the growth off the field as much as we don't always see it on the field." – Stu Holden (33:04)

• Solutions Suggested:
  Financial support for grassroots clubs, spreading opportunity, and shifting focus from profit to player development.

• The Cultural Gap:
  Observing his kids in US youth leagues, Stu calls for making the sport cheaper, more accessible, and replicating Europe’s cradle-to-club culture.

5. Fun & Pop Culture Detours

Timestamps: 13:25 – 21:23, 38:23 – 46:00

• IMAX Movie ‘Odyssey’ Mania:
  Dan and crew riff on the challenge of finding true IMAX 70mm showings, the logistics of film distribution, and a behind-the-scenes peek at Dan's cameo in Grown Ups 3.

• Deli Wars:
  Hilarious debate over Italian vs. Jewish delis, nostalgia for Carnegie and Katz's (site of the "I'll have what she's having" scene in When Harry Met Sally), and bagel culture.

  "Does anything good happen to you?" – Dan Patrick to Todd Katz (08:04)

• The ESPYs & Defining Sports Moments:
  Discussion of the ESPYs, New York Knicks winning Best Team, memorable plays, and the notion of recency bias.

  "You can buy your way now into a title picture." – Dan Patrick (42:41)
  "I really think that the Hoosiers winning the national title undefeated is the most unlikely thing in sports, including the Miracle on Ice in the past 60 years..." – Paul (42:14)

• Listener Calls on Everything from Commercials with Will Ferrell ("what a waste when he isn't funny" – 44:19) to hypothetical show successors.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "It's the hope that kills you." – Stu Holden (throughout; 24:00, 37:22)
  A recurring line capturing the essence of English football fandom’s agony.

• On youth sports:

  "We've made this youth soccer – youth sports in general...commoditized in a way that it's predatory and it's on the parents." – Stu Holden (35:00)

• On Messi's brilliance:

  "He sees everything on two speed compared to what everybody else is seeing." – Stu Holden (28:11)

• Pop culture aside:

  "Grown Ups 3, all the questions that remain from Grown Ups 2 will be answered in Grown Ups 3." – Dan Patrick (16:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• England’s heartbreak & reactions: 02:26–11:37
• London call (Brandon): 10:13–11:37
• IMAX Odyssey discussion: 12:50–15:28
• Movie cameos & Sandler anecdotes: 14:49–19:04
• Stu Holden Interview: 23:41–37:48
  • Initial reaction to England loss (24:00)
  • Tactical breakdown (25:25)
  • Messi’s influence (26:23)
  • Bronze final debate (29:25)
  • Argentina vs. Spain preview (30:31)
  • US Soccer challenges (32:28)
• ESPYs & Moments vs. Titles: 38:23–43:19
• Defining unlikely sports moments: 42:14–43:28

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Tone and Style

The episode’s tone is casual, witty, and steeped in sports nostalgia—balancing technical analysis (“tactics, pressure, mentality”) with light banter, personal stories, and listener interactivity. Dan teases his co-hosts, frames big sports moments with dry humor, and constantly seeks both substance and entertainment for his fans.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a classic Dan Patrick blend: deep dive expert sports talk—especially on the agony of English soccer and the challenge for US Soccer's future—mixed with pop culture riffs, listener engagement, and the gentle mockery and warmth that keeps the show relatable and entertaining. Whether you're a hardcore sports fan or tuning in for the culture, there's both insight and laughter from start to finish.

Transcript

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[Caller Brandon]

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[Stu Holden]

Hey everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers. This week on the podcast hey Jonas. We're hanging out with Michael Buble. After Kevin's recent interesting confession about Michael, we figured there's only one thing to do. We must invite Michael Buble on the podcast and we wanna on his sexy time playlist. You know, I did an interview and they're like, have you heard about this Jonas Brothers thing?

[Caller Cody]

And they're like, what did you think of him?

[Stu Holden]

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[Caller Brandon]

Yeah.

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[Dan Patrick Show Announcer]

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[Dan Patrick]

Don't adjust your tv. The greens are green, but the fairways are brown. Just so you know, I know that. You know, we love aesthetically to look at a golf course and go, oh, I wish I had a yard like that. I don't think you want a yard like they have at Royal Burkdale. You know, the fairway, it looks like it hadn't been watered in centuries. Yes, Dylan, I do.

[Dylan]

Like how over there, they're like, we built this naturally into the cliffside. And here it's like we move 3 trillion metric tons of dirt and wiped out an endangered species. But look at how green it is over here.

[Dan Patrick]

You're talking about us in the United States. Oh, okay. I thought you're besmirching. No, those on the emerald aisle.

[Dylan]

No, no, no.

[Dan Patrick]

Stat of the day, brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. You can see the Open Championship, NBC and Peacock, where you can also see this program on Peacock, the Claret jug. Scotty Scheffler looks to retain it. That will be coming up this weekend. Golf Channel, of course, will have live from the Open every day before and after the round. All right, 8 7, 7, 3, DP Show. Email address [e-mail] Twitter handle @DP Show. We are wondering, you know, the highs of Argentina winning but the lows of England losing. And I would say the low is a lot lower than the high is with Argentina because you have that, you have that match, you're winning, you're up 1 nil. And then all of a sudden it was quick, it was boom. And then it was six minutes later. Next thing you know, you're just holding on for dear life, you know, waiting for them to say, this game is officially over. Although there was part of that final three minutes, it was such a frenetic pace. And you had England's goaltender, he's at midfield just trying to hit bombs, you know, at least try to get it close to the goal. And they never got close. My guy, Harry Kane. Not a, you know, all these big scores. Harry Kane, Mbappe Holland didn't do anything in their biggest matches. Messi had a couple of assists. And Argentina moves on to face Spain. They will have a consolation match, a friendly third place, the bronze final, that will be on Saturday in Miami. That will be England against France. Yes.

[Paul]

Paul, I almost pitched a really dumb idea. Would the NFL ever consider doing a third place game during the playoffs. But I figured the answer would be universally no. Guess what? They used to do it, Dan. They used to call it The Playoff Bowl. 1960 through 1969. The Bert Bell Benefit Bowl. 5 times. Fast. The Playoff bowl was held 10 times also all times in Miami, Florida. And the irony of it, they'd play it after the championship game and before the Orange bowl. Guess who was 30 appearing three times in the consolation game? The Detroit Lions.

[Dan Patrick]

That's sad.

[Paul]

Wow, I didn't know this history at all.

[Dan Patrick]

Here's a stat for you. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. Since the start of the World Cup, Argentina has scored 12 of their 19 goals after the 75th minute, including extra time. 877 3DP show operator Tyler sitting by poll question from hour one. What are we going with an hour to Dylan?

[Dylan]

Well, we got a few to recap then. Best award Show, Oscars, Grammys, SPS or other Oscars. Is winning that one. Unsurprising. Only 40%. You can only pick one to watch on Sunday. Open championship final round or World cup final? 60% say the world Cup.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Turns out that Knicks fans should be most proud of winning the NBA cup this season over the sb. Okay, and this is the real hot one. Better deli, Jewish or Italian? Now, I thought this would be a little bit closer, but Italian is running away with it at 75%.

[Dan Patrick]

How about that, Todd?

[Todd Katz]

I got to put that in my pipe and smoke it, I guess. Well, what a potato knife. At any deli, whether it's in the Midwest or Northeast, Southeast, they should have a knish

[Dan Patrick]

who had the first deli. Like, I don't. I don't know if it was an Italian deli or it was a Jewish deli outside of New York City and maybe Los Angeles, you're probably going to have a lot of Italian delis, Todd.

[Todd Katz]

You're right. I. I'm just being too centric to my, you know, past and my ethnic background in Brooklyn. And I think that a deli in Brooklyn or Manhattan is what a deli should be around the country, which obviously it is not that.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd Katz. Deli. Carnegie Deli is not around anymore, Right? God, do you even know?

[Todd Katz]

I've heard of the Carnegie Deli. I don't know if it still exists or not. I also don't like giving anybody 48 for a corned beef sandwich, so I don't go to some of those places.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, wait a minute. Catch. Deli is famous.

[Todd Katz]

Yeah, I go once in a while, but like it's crazy. The prices that they charge for that.

[Dan Patrick]

God, I just spend once in a while.

[Todd Katz]

Jerry's Deli. There was a Jerry's Deli in LA where I got like soup and a sandwich and a drink and it was like $50. It's just crazy.

[Dan Patrick]

Does anything good happen to you?

[Todd Katz]

I've been through a lot of stuff.

[Dan Patrick]

Anything positive happen?

[Todd Katz]

There's positive things. We're here.

[Dan Patrick]

We're two great kids and you have a great wife.

[Todd Katz]

I'm very blessed.

[Dan Patrick]

And you've got a great job.

[Todd Katz]

I don't love having a gastrointestinal disease or an ear infection right now.

[Dan Patrick]

You don't, you don't like that? Oh, okay.

[Todd Katz]

I tend to dwell on the negative,

[Dan Patrick]

celebrating the people that go, God, yes, I got that ear infection. Perfection. Yes, yes.

[Dylan]

Still thought, I don't want to be mean, but that little thing right there. Italy is probably going to run the score up on the Jewish deli after that.

[Todd Katz]

Yeah. But then have you had gilter fish lately? Have you had a nice piece of gilta fish?

[Dylan]

That's terrible.

[Dan Patrick]

It's terrible.

[Caller Cody]

Yeah.

[Todd Katz]

It is one of the less. My chicken matzo ball soup. I should have gone with there.

[Dan Patrick]

Matzo soup is great. Yeah. Okay. But when Harry Met Sally, they have the famous scene in that Cat's Deli, I think it was where the. Actually, I think that was Rob Reiner's mom who says, I'll have what she's having. Meg Ryan, I believe that was at Cat's Deli, if memory serves me.

[Dylan]

Yes, Dylan, if we're including like, like a Jewish bagel re into the Jewish deli mix, does that sort of slant tilt the scales a little bit, like, you know, like a Barney Greengrass in New York. I don't know if you're familiar.

[Dan Patrick]

Isn't there Apollo. Apollo Bagels. Yeah, that's a. That's a new one. That's a big one. They wait in line. I can't wait in line for anything. I just can't. Out of principle. I just like, I'm going to wait an hour and now a great bagel, but I'm not going to wait in line.

[Paul]

Yes, Paul, Couple of things I saw pop up bagels the other day. There are 60, 18 year old girls standing in line for pop up bagels. Okay, couple more clarifications. Kat's Deli was a location of the scene in Harry Met Sally. And Carnegie Deli unfortunately closed its midtown Manhattan location. The big one, December 31, 2016. Sad.

[Dan Patrick]

But I somehow know that when Mr. Jewish Deli had no clue.

[Todd Katz]

That was great. I had to look it up. And you were right. Cats Deli. That's right.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no.

[Todd Katz]

Carnegie Deli and Katz's Deli was the confirming the Harry Matai like Bully said.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, I did. I, I was curious what life is like in London today. Let's find out. Brandon calling us from London. Hi, Brandon.

[Caller Brandon]

Hey, Dan, how's it going? Thanks for having me.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caller Brandon]

So I'm over here for a work trip and of course, like any American sports fan, I thought let me go check this game out in a London pub and get the vibes. And man, I'm telling you, we've all had heartbreak, but then I don't know if we've ever had national team heartbreak like, like London just had last night. Like Thomas Tuchel is getting killed. The national team head coach over here. There's absolutely no way he's coming back every, you know, as soon as you open up your website, they're killing them on the news. They're killing them. His decision to, to go very defense heavy especially, you know, and he had done that all tournament long and it backfired on him in the last minute. And man, the pub went from exhilaration to just pure chaos. Police sirens going crazy all through the night. Who knows what was going on. I was looking outside my hotel window, fear for my life a little bit, but yeah, it was. I actually felt really bad for him. And there's no way there are star players are playing in this constellation game. The Premier League starts in like a month. They're not risking that money for no third place game.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you. Brandon on the scene in London after witnessing the match in a pub. Cody. And it had been nice if Brandon was from London with the accent and maybe some tears. We're looking for content here. Cody in Texas. Good morning, Cody. What do you have for me?

[Caller Cody]

Good morning, Dan. Yeah, man, Just as a Cowboys fan, Misery loves company. England. I get it, man. I can't think of anything worse than a third place game. I mean, you know, to Dylan and all my other hobby enthusiasts, Hammer France for entertainment purposes only on Saturday. And Dan, just wanted to comment, during Peacock, one of the breaks you had, they were replaying the Wright Thompson interview from the last final at the World Cup. Such a great interview. I encourage anybody to go check it out. Him talking about Messi just kind of, you know, brought it back up. Just hope you all have a good weekend.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. Thank you, Cody. Yeah, right. Thompson, you know, when he does a deep dive on an athlete or A coach. It is a must read. Ron in Grand Rapids. Hey, Ron. Hey, how's it going? Good.

[Ron]

I trying to clear up your IMAX odyssey issue here. You know, they're. Christopher Nolan shot this movie at great expense with IMAX cameras. And when you say there's only 40 some theaters playing it.

[Dan Patrick]

No, no IMAX theaters.

[Ron]

Right. IMAX theaters in film, though, Dan. That, I think, is the distinction here. It's playing in digital screens all over the country starting today. But you. You might have a digital opportunity, but they want you to see it in 70 millimeters so you can get the interview with Matt Damon.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I think they're encouraging me to see it how Christopher Nolan shot it, and once. Once it to be viewed. And, you know, they said, look, you can have Matt Damon on the show, but you got to go see the movie. And then I'm going, how many IMAX theaters? And I think there's 41. I don't know how many there are in New York. New York City. But yeah, I said, I'm willing to go see the movie. There are other places showing it. They're just not showing it in the. I don't know the technology for IMAX. There's 70 millimeter something, something, something. Paulie.

[Paul]

Yeah, that's exactly right. There's some IMAX theaters that can show a lot of different things. There are only less than 50 in our country that could show it in 70 millimeter film. And that's what this is.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. And it looks great, and it looks majestic. There's certain movies that you need to see in the theater, but I think they said the actual movie, like, when they're shipping it to theaters, the IMAX one that weighs like 800 pounds, like this was edited like this. This was painstakingly put together. And Matt Damon talks about, you know, he's in a scene where there's 1,200 extras, and then you want to make sure you don't screw up your portion of that scene because everybody else is doing stuff. And then you, of course, the focal point. Yes, Todd.

[Todd Katz]

Sounds like an odyssey just to get the film to the theater with all these different steps that have to be taken.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. I just got my Grown Ups 3 script.

[Dan Patrick Show Announcer]

Whoa.

[Dan Patrick]

All right, let me see. Oh, I got the whole. I don't want the whole script. I think they want me to read the script so I understand how my role, my character arc fits in with this. I always say to Sandler, just. Just send me what my lines are. That's all. So I have the Whole script here. And then I'm going to be shooting this in September after the wedding. Yes, Paul.

[Paul]

Dan, you have to read the whole thing to see what your character build is what it gets to, getting the milieu.

[Dan Patrick]

I think there's only one. Just go with it. That's the only one where I did need to read the entire script because I, I that in Happy Gilmore 2 that I had, you know, a few scenes there, so I had to kind of understand. But, I mean, this is Grown Ups 3. Come on. This just feels like, you know, hey, let's get the gang back together again and everybody gets a paycheck and we go back. Back to our regular jobs. Yes, Marvin, that's my boys.

[Marvin]

Kind of in that same category. You had to delve into that character.

[Dan Patrick]

Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right.

[Marvin]

Like a method actor.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. There was a dinero, a De Niro type like Daniel Day Patrick, you know, where I had to. I had to forget who I was and I had to transform myself into a talk show host, sort of a Jerry Springer, like. Yes, Marvin.

[Marvin]

My favorite part about that movie is I'm watching the beginning of it when you're on there. And my son, who's made about five or six at a time, both of them movies like, what's he doing with that hair?

[Dan Patrick]

I love when your son had that lisp. Now when I talk to him, he's like, hey, hey, Mr. Dan. I go, hey, boss, how much this health cost?

[Marvin]

God, he's so nosy. I'm really sorry about that.

[Paul]

Yes, Paulie, I do remember during the filming of that's My Boy, you. We had to call you Randall Morgan.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes.

[Paul]

We call you Dan once you're on set.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, once I. Even when I was off camera, I had to stay in character there. Just little things. Little things. But Grown Ups 3, all the questions that remain from Grown Ups 2 will be answered in Grown Ups 3. I didn't get to see Selma Hayek. Like people say, oh, you were in a movie. Did you get to see. And a lot of times I'll just shoot my scene, but I don't get to. I'd like to shoot my shot, but I. I just have to shoot my scene, if you know what I mean. And then I don't see anybody, but I'd like to see Salma Hayek. I mean, I end up seeing, like, Rob Schneider, you know, I mean, Kevin James. Be nice to have some eye candy here. I did see Jessica Beal, because that was. I just got to the Set. And Sandman goes, danny, you know, you know, Jessica be Sandler thinks I know everybody. It's not like she's been on the show. You'd be like, danny, you. You know Jessica Beal. I go, no, we've never met, but nice to meet you. And that was. I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry. Who else do you do that? Oh, he did that with Tom Cruise. Although Tom Cruise knew who I was. But Katie Holmes, like, Sam, Nan's going, danny, you know Cruz. I go, hey, Tom, you know, you know Katie. And I go, okay, we're in a scene together that got cut. Yeah. Paulie.

[Paul]

Selma Hayek, 59 years old. What a run of hotness.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, she looks great.

[Lele Pons]

Wow.

[Dan Patrick]

Although I do get her mixed up occasionally with Penelope Cruz.

[Marvin]

Don't.

[Dan Patrick]

I know.

[Dan Patrick Show Announcer]

But I do.

[Dan Patrick]

Just saying, like the movies that they're in sometimes. What was that? The Woody Allen movie. Christina. There were two women. Vicky.

[Dylan]

Christina. Barcelona.

[Dan Patrick Show Announcer]

Yes.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I like that movie. I don't know how I got there. Barcelona. Yes.

[Caller Kenny]

Yes.

[Todd Katz]

What?

[Fred Armisen]

Dylan.

[Dylan]

I actually, I have a Odyssey IMAX update for you, Dan.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, let's wait. I gotta take a break and then we'll get my Odyssey update. It's been an Odyssey trying to find it. Yeah.

[Todd Katz]

Movie.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. And we'll talk some soccer coming up next. Back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.

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[Dan Patrick]

Stu Holden called both semifinal matches. You can catch him calling the FIFA World Cup Final and done a great job. Fox Sports lead match analyst and former member of a United States World cup team. How would you feel if you're a fan of England today, Stu?

[Stu Holden]

Oh, man. Well, first of all, hungover, that's for sure. You know, they drink if they win, they drink if they lose. I think it's the hope that kills you, Dan and this English team have been so close now in all their last major tournaments. Semi final of a World cup in 2018, they get to the final of two straight Euros and then they lose. And then they get again to a semifinal, and they were five minutes away. And then they ran into Lionel Messi. And I think that's what will hurt the most for this English. The English fans, especially this morning, is feeling that they were so close to finally getting back to another World cup final. It's been 60 years and then they are where they are. And I've loved watching some of the talk radio in England this morning as I woke up, and as you can imagine, all hell is broken loose. It's the coach's fault, the players. It's this. It's the mentality. All of these things can be true. But, yeah, they were five minutes away and they were outdone by the greatest player in the world.

[Dan Patrick]

You know, Messi, give me this strategy. It's easy to look back, but in the moment you were talking about the shell that London was playing or England was playing, that they were playing not to lose, it felt like. And you even talked about Messi was kind of creeping up a little bit more, far more aggressive. He even looked up at the clock one time, I think around the 80th minute or so to say. Oh, and then all of a sudden, things changed. So help me understand the strategy of what England was using.

[Stu Holden]

Yeah. So I think the biggest and most important thing to realize is when you trade, when you play not to lose, you invite pressure, but it's more so you set a mentality within your team. And I'm not going to sit up there. I haven't played a bad Pass in 12 years since I've been in that booth. When you're on that field, it's hard. And Argentina and the fans and the players, they create this environment that creates real pressure. But when the coach, Thomas Tuchel, makes a sub and you take off an attacking player right after you score and you bring on a defender and you play with five across the back, and you sit with four in front of that, and you have Harry Kane up there, who's so tired, can't press, you have no outlet, and you're just sitting there, and you basically just said to your team, look, we've got. We've got 15, 20 minutes. It wasn't five minutes at that time. They had 25 minutes. And they said, we're just going to try to hold on to this goal. We've got the goal. And you saw what happened. It was like a. A snake slowly constricting its prey. And just one bit by bit, you felt that pressure building. They hit the post, they hit the post again. Now, all of a sudden, if you're. If you're one of those English players, you're retreating close to your goal, you're kicking the ball away, you're nervous when you get it, and you felt that energy. And I think really what happened is they shook hands with teams of the past and they saw ghosts of the past as they're in that situation, thinking, oh, no, we're going to be the same team that's done this again. We're not going to do it. And then they didn't. And then you made a great point. Messi has an incredible ability to find space when there is no space. And it's amazing to watch him in those situations where he is like a quarterback that's setting up and looking at different defenses and thinking, okay, where can I be dangerous now? And he was just hanging out on the right, moving around, just slowly walking. And then when the ball comes to him, he makes the game happen. And it's. I saw an English pundit say, why didn't they just. Man, Mark Messi, right? Just stick one guy. You stay with Messi. You don't think teams have been doing that for 25 years? It's not as easy as that. You know, he moves, he finds space. He, he. He pushes you into a position that he wants you to, then go in the other spot. He's. He's unbelievable.

[Dan Patrick]

But you're right about him walking. He walks a lot. He lurks, he lingers, he looks harmless. And then, boom. It's so quick. And he didn't score goals. But, you know, he, they had two guys on him for most of the match, and they, like, they went after him like he gets roughed up. I think a lot more than you would think the goat would get roughed up. But that center of gravity that he has, you know, it just kind of, I don't know, waddles or something.

[Lele Pons]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

But, I mean, it's fascinating that maybe he doesn't know where somebody's going to be, but he thinks he knows where somebody's going to be when he's, you

[Stu Holden]

know, he sees, he sees the game in, in a faster speed than everybody else. And I think they always say, and I felt this when I went from MLS to the Premier League is once you finally kind of figure out the quality, the tempo, the speed, the game starts to slow down for you. I think Messi sees everything on two speed compared to what everybody else is seeing, everything blurring around them. And I love this note, is that he was talking to a young player at some point in his career, maybe it was Barcelona. And he said to the player, he said, you run too much and you feel like you have to be everywhere. He said, sometimes walking is the best thing you can do because it makes everybody around you uncomfortable and everything starts moving. But then you are the one that is in control of your space and you're playing the game at your speed. Now, not every player can do that. This is Lionel Messi. And I did have friends that went to watch him play recently in mls and they said, man, I just watched the guy walk around for 75 minutes, and then for 15 minutes he scored two goals and had three assists. And I said, yeah, I mean, what do you want him to do? Do you want him to run more? He's still doing the same effect by running less the later he's gone in his career. It's, it's, it's, it's beautiful to watch, honestly.

[Dan Patrick]

Should we have the bronze final, Stu? I mean, you imagine if you're playing on a, if you're Harry Kane and they go, hey, by the way, we got a consolation, a friendly Mbappe. Hey, you, how about Saturday? You guys want to get geared up for a third place finish?

[Stu Holden]

Hey. Nonetheless, they're sending them back down to Miami where it's 100 degrees. You've got the French and the English going back to Miami. No, I think, look, I know historically, when you look back, it is better to say you finished third than finishing fourth in a, in a tournament. Olympics, a bronze medal is. And then no Medal is, is the fourth place. But I think when it comes to soccer, I would rather a settle third and fourth place based on your performance in the group stage and goals scored and, or just get them together and do a penalty shootout or something. I, I think it's, I think it's, it's. But at the same time here, here we go. You know, this is France and England. These are two teams that are looking, licking their wounds pretty badly after some bad semifinal performances and really have a way to change that, the way that teams were thought about at the end of this on Saturday.

[Dan Patrick]

We're talking to Stu Holden, Fox Sports lead analyst and on the call. That'll be Sunday afternoon on Fox. Their coverage starts at 11am Eastern and the match starts at 3 Eastern. Argentina in Spain, this one feels like first team to score is going to win.

[Stu Holden]

Yeah, if Spain scored first, I think they win the game. This is a team that, if you've seen, you saw them play against France, if you score, they don't sit back like England. They keep playing the way that they play, which is to keep the ball and make you run even more. That's the greatest compliment you can give the Spanish team is that they never felt in danger at all during that game. When we talk about, you know, style of play and tactics, Spain don't have that. What they have is a cultural identity. They've played this in same formation from 5 years old up until 65 years old. You play that with your friends. Everybody knows every position. There's a connection. There's triangles across the field, all over and I love just watching them play. It's harmonious players moving forward, the other guy drops underneath and it's a connective type of tissue approach versus on the other side. You have an Argentine team that plays with emotion, intensity, quality, obviously with guys like Lionel Messi, Martinez and Julian Alvarez. But I think Spain will get their toughest test they've had all tournament long because what France tried to do was said, hey, you know what, we're going to high press against this Spanish team. And then they couldn't. Argentina can do that and I think they will. Man to man across the field, say, look, we're going to stay with each guy. We're going to try to make life difficult for Spain and not give them the time to have possession. That's easier said than done, by the way, in 85, 90 degree heat in New York, where it's going to be really hot, humid and the team with the ball I think is going to have the most Success. So I think Spain's going to end up winning this game.

[Dan Patrick]

USA Soccer, much has been said certainly on this program. Kevin Frazier came on and blasted electric Lexi Lawless and what we're doing with kids. I'll give you the opportunity. I don't know where you, you kind of weigh in on this, but how do we become formidable? Because I don't agree with Christian Pulisic that, you know, this is a start. This has been Groundhog Day every four years that we keep saying this is a start, but we don't get any further than where we are. So the system needs to be altered. Correct?

[Stu Holden]

Yeah. The phrase that cuts me the most that I hear touted around is soccer has been the sport of the future in this country for the last 40 years. That hurts, you know, it hurts us soccer people because we see the growth off the field as much as we don't always see it on the field. And I think again, it's a reminder of seeing England going as far as they just did, but then losing in a semifinal. They haven't won a World cup in 60 years. And I'm not saying that has to be the baseline for us, Dan. And growth, we're always going to judge at the very highest level and can we beat the world elite. But make no mistake about it and you asked me, you know my, my thoughts on the growth. I have a 10 year old daughter and a 6 year old son. I coach my daughter's 10 year old team and I'm assistant coach. And so now I'm seeing this for the first time in a different way as a, as a coach. And we have a lot of issues in our youth development system. Pay to play. I think we can all that it is too expensive to play the game in this sport. But I always say to people, how do we fix that? How do we make the game more affordable? How do we make it more accessible? Not enough kids get an opportunity to play the sport. In our, in this country, we don't touch all of the different communities. We don't have pathways to elevate the best players at the earliest ages in a, in a, in a fast way. But look, I see this in la, there's not enough places to play the coaches, we have really good coaches, but they need to be paid to make a. So somebody has to pay for that. These kids in these clubs, my daughter's club for an example, is a nonprofit club. The club is not for profit. But yet the club dues are 3,4000 dollars a year. It's A lot of money. When you think about. I'm part of an ownership group of a professional soccer club in Spain. Kids dues are 4 or €500 for an entire season. It's. There's just more opportunities, more coaches, more fields. It's a way of life. It is a cultural way of life. And we just. We have so much competition and we've. We've made this youth soccer. And I'm not just talking about soccer, youth sports in general. I have a. We could do an entire podcast on this. So I'm going to try to be more concise in the way I explain this, but they have become commoditized in a way that it's predatory and it's on the parents. Every single sport is basketball, football, baseball. Parents are getting charged so much money for these kids to have these opportunities. It's. No, you're just. You're just creating environments to get people to pay more money without having real tangible benefits. So if at a very high level, have I tried to summarize this, I think what we can do in the United States is have the elite academies, the top clubs, which we're doing at mls, we have. We have pathways for players, but they have to, in many ways pay for the development at the lower levels. If you develop a player, if you're a club in Kansas, Los Angeles, Texas, and you develop a kid, Christian Pulisic, you should be paid for that. You should be given money to support your club, supporting players and developing players. So I can go on and on and on about this. We need to do more. We need to make soccer cheaper. We're on the way. We have growth. Don't get twisted in our. Just our national team performances.

[Dan Patrick]

A lot of fun listening to you guys. You and John. Good luck. Are you nervous? Like, how nervous are you compared to when you played?

[Stu Holden]

Nothing will replace what it was like to step on the field and play the game. But my first World cup final in 2018, I had the nerves a little bit. Now it's just pure excitement. I think this has become my job. It's become my life. I love doing it much like you do. I can hear that in all of your stuff. You've been in media for a long time. I've known and listened to you for a long time, and I hope to stay in this business for a long time. But these are moments we have to enjoy. How many times you get to call a World cup final on home soil? This is going to be special on Sunday.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, I felt bad for Rebecca Lowe that you're hosting the World Cup. You know, you're there and all of a sudden your country loses in dramatic fashion and you're being consoled by Zlatan and, you know, Terry Henry, Dan.

[Stu Holden]

I looked down at Rebecca once England scored. She was down to my left on a platform and she was just standing there like this and she couldn't believe that it was happening. And then I looked down when Argentina scored and it was head down, hands. And it's what I said to her last night as we were flying here to New York. I said, it's the hope that kills you. It is the hope that kills you. And this is why we love this game and we hate this game at the same time.

[Caller Cody]

Time.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you for making time, Stu.

[Stu Holden]

Dan, I appreciate it. Yeah, thank you.

[Dan Patrick]

Stu Holden, Fox Sports lead match analyst and he'll be there on Sunday on Fox with John Strong. And he was a member of the World cup team back in 2010. All right, we'll take a break. Got phone calls coming up. We'll check in with Mike TRICO in about 20 minutes from now. He'll join us from the open championship.

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[Dan Patrick]

We spent a little bit of time talking about the ESPYs. The New York Knicks were the team of the year. We argued that Indiana football. Now, I would have given the espy. I can't believe I'm even discussing this, but I would have given the ESPY to Team USA men and women. But the moment of the year, I would have given that to Jack Hughes. He won the gold medal. OG Anunoby shot, didn't win the title. It was unbelievable. Jack Hughes won the gold. Yes. Yes.

[Dylan]

Dylan, we were talking before about defining moments in sports that weren't actually to win the title.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Dylan]

Speaking of Team USA Hockey, 1980, Miracle on Ice, everyone focused on beating the Russians.

[Dan Patrick]

Good point.

[Dylan]

We went on to beat Finland to actually win the thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Because you know, 20 years from now, they'll be like, man, OG Anunoby had that tip in to win the title. Be like, no, no one but, you know, Christian Leitner, the shot against Kentucky that didn't win the title. Kurt Gibson, that home run was in game one. Magic with the sky hook in the garden that didn't win the title. David Tyrese catch. Plexigo Burris won the super bowl with his catch. The Red Sox beat The Yankees. Then they had to beat the Cardinals, Carlton Fisk, Game 6 at Fenway. That was Game 6. They lost in Game 7. The Bill Buckner ball go through the legs play. That was in game six of the 86 World Series. Yes.

[Paul]

Paul, when I watched best play last night, I really thought Braylon Mullins, a Yukon, the freshman, his shot had a chance. Like that was one you didn't see coming from a freshman. I thought he may get his due there, but the other ones are too big.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. I mean, Jack Hughes won the gold medal, right? Lost a tooth. Won a gold medal. Yes. Dylan. Yeah.

[Dylan]

Is there, like Marvin said earlier, with the Knicks winning best team, is there a little recency bias with the Anunoby play over the Jack Hughes goal?

[Dan Patrick]

Yes. Yes. If Jack Hughes scored that goal a month ago, then that would be the play of the year. Bam. Adebayo scored 83 points and he didn't win the best single game performance, 83 points. Who won? Yes.

[Paul]

Paul Ohtani won best single game performance. NLCS game four versus the Brewers. Three home runs, pitch six scoreless innings, struck out 10. Okay, fair.

[Dan Patrick]

And then Mike Tyson didn't know that Otani was a guy. You can hear him as he's walking off the stage and he's, Todd, how would he sound?

[Todd Katz]

I was just joking, Dan, by the way. I knew. I knew it was a man. I know the show has only played for the Dodgers. I don't appreciate what you're trying to do here.

[Dan Patrick]

No. Then you laugh. Thank you. Thank you.

[Todd Katz]

Keep your enemies even closer, right?

[Dan Patrick]

How about Bam, out of bio. You don't win the sp. You get in a fight with your former teammate. And I. I don't think I ever got caught up in the sps, where I was, like, angry that somebody, you know, won or somebody didn't win. But just something struck me about Indiana football, man. Like that never in my lifetime. I. You know, I was alive when the Knicks won their two titles prior to this. I never thought I'd be alive if Indiana was going to win a national championship in football. It'd be like if you said the University of Massachusetts is going to win a football title. Yeah.

[Paul]

Paul, I thought about this a lot. I really think that the Hoosiers winning the national title undefeated is the most unlikely thing in sports, including the Miracle on Ice in the past 60 years, it's. I think it's tied with Miracle on Ice. I'm not saying it's a better moment, but as far as if I said this is going to happen.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. But you can buy your way now into a title picture.

[Stu Holden]

Yes, you can.

[Dan Patrick]

You can spend money and be in the conversation. USA Hockey. It's not like you go, we're gonna spend even more money. Yes, yes, Mark.

[Marvin]

But I still think it's impressive because everybody can spend money. So Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, Miami in Indiana.

[Dan Patrick]

I know, I know, I know. But if you're gonna say like the biggest moment, it's Jack Hughes won a gold medal with that goal. Best play. Yes. Dylan.

[Dylan]

Yeah, I mean, like Marvin said, you know, it's a, it is an equal playing field now. But pre nil, we're not even having this conversation about Indiana winning a title.

[Dan Patrick]

Kenny in la. Hi, Kenny. What do you have for me? Hey, Danny.

[Caller Kenny]

Along lines of the sv. So the off the field stories were great. Gin Abbott was fabulous with the how they highlighted him, the Coast Guard guy, Steph Curry with the open school. They have no credibility when it comes to on the field performance. You give it to miles Garrett in 17 games over a guy who runs a sub two hour marathon and you get Brunson. You get Brunson. I like Brunson.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but they wanted to give the award to somebody who was going to be there and somebody you knew. Okay. It's. Is it concocted a little bit? Yes, it is. Without getting too deep. And it's in New York, by the way. Colin in New York. Hi, Colin.

[Caller Cody]

Hey, Dan. I just saw a commercial, Will Ferrell in it while I was watching Forget Paris because you said it was so great. I just finished it. It's funny when he said the line, I kept a picture of my right hand in my wallet in high school. That was funny, right? That's funny. When you know Will Ferrell's in a commercial, you want to see something funny? And he was in a chip commercial talking about the World Cup. He didn't do anything funny. I mean, what a waste. You have one of the greatest comedic actors of all time in a commercial and he doesn't do anything funny. I mean, if you have a sports figure in there and they don't do anything funny, it's like, that's okay. But if you have Will Ferrell in there doing one of the, you know, like one of the funniest guys ever and he doesn't do anything funny.

[Ron]

What a waste.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I haven't seen that. Will will be joining us tomorrow. Oscar in Tennessee. Hi, Oscar.

[Caller Cody]

I watched the show one day back because I watch you guys at the gym, but I was watching yesterday's show and Tony Reali it looked like you picked your next successor live on air. You have never, you have never, ever asked anybody on air to fill in for you. And. And you're right. He is probably the most talented guys ever. And if that is the case, I am 100%, and he should be the guy that takes over your show.

[Dylan]

All right.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, thank you. Oscar. Full disclosure. We were running out of options to fill in for me. Ross was on vacation and Chris Mannix. And I said to Paulie, I'm going to put Tony Reali on the spot and just ask him if he wants to fill in for me. And then he said yes. So when I go out for my daughter's wedding, he's going to do that Thursday and Friday.

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