Hour 2 – Seth Wickersham, Famous Quarterbacks

Summary

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The Dan Patrick Show – Hour 2

Episode Title: Seth Wickersham, Famous Quarterbacks
Date: September 9, 2025
Podcast: The Dan Patrick Show by iHeartPodcasts

Overview

In this engaging second hour, Dan Patrick and his crew discuss the rise of the quarterback as football’s most important and celebrated position. Seth Wickersham, ESPN senior writer, joins to talk about his new book American Kings: A Biography of the Quarterback. The episode features conversations about why and when the quarterback supplanted the running back as the NFL's focus, the psychological toll of quarterback stardom, and the evolution of football celebrity. The hour also includes lively banter, listener calls, a fun round of “Rhyme Time,” sports analysis, and reflections on NFL legends.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. From Running Backs to Quarterbacks: When Did the Shift Happen?

• [04:56–05:52]
  • Dan reminisces about when running backs like Jim Brown dominated football conversations.
  • He wonders when the “marquee position” switched to quarterback, noting that QBs are now the biggest sports celebrities.
  • Sets up the later conversation with Seth Wickersham about the quarterback’s ascendance in football’s cultural mythology.

“It used to be the focus of the NFL was about the running back. It wasn’t about the quarterback... when did that happen?...being a quarterback for an NFL team… That is the marquee position in all the sports.”
— Dan Patrick (05:15)

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2. Vikings-Bears Game & Quarterback Analysis

• [05:52–09:03]
  • Rapid-fire “fill in the blank” segment on the Vikings (“Contenders”, “Dangerous”) and Bears (“Disappointing”, “who we thought they were”).
  • Discussion pivots to J.J. McCarthy and Caleb Williams:
    • McCarthy “took advantage” of freedom in the fourth quarter and led the Vikings to a comeback.
    • Dan references a scout’s perspective of McCarthy as “a winner”—one who delivers when needed.
    • Caleb Williams “shows glimpses” but Dan longs for full-game greatness.

“That’s what separated Brady from everybody, Patrick Mahomes from everybody. Game on the line. We got that guy. And you saw that last night with J.J. McCarthy.”
— Dan Patrick (08:37)

Noteworthy Quote

“Where else would you rather be? … This team showed a lot of poise and responded very well.”
— J.J. McCarthy (09:13)

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3. Listener Calls: NFL Reactions & Sports Talk

• [09:29–16:30]
  • NFL Chatter: Colts praise, Daniel Jones shoutout, Hall of Fame campaigns (Steve Smith Sr.), team nicknames (“Tommy Clam Chowder”), Browns heartbreak, etc.
  • Fan Disappointment and Fandom: Dodgers meltdown, Cal Ripken game nostalgia, holiday party awkwardness at ESPN.
  • Entertaining and personal; the crew shares stories and jokes about the perks and quirks of working in sports media.

“For every worst side, there’s a best side. … That was an amazing win for the Orioles. I could certainly understand the disappointment of a Dodger fan.”
— Todd Fritz (16:31)

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4. Reflections on Quarterback Celebrity: Nostalgia, Culture & Fame

• [26:46–37:17]
  • Seth Wickersham Interview
    • American Kings looks at the origins, rise, and off-field realities of the position.
    • Wickersham pinpoints the 1980s and Bill Walsh as the turning point; the West Coast offense elevated QB importance and reshaped football from Pop Warner to the NFL.

“It happened in the 80s… Bill Walsh… developed an entire offense based on the pass, first as a substitute for the run. And really, you know, he revolutionized football all the way down to Pop Warner.”
— Seth Wickersham (28:00)

• QB as Celebrity:
  • Story of Bob Waterfield and Jane Russell as America’s first football power couple (Hollywood meets NFL).
  • Joe Namath as the “first to offer quarterback as lifestyle”—moxie, fashion, New York bravado.
  • Contrasts Johnny Unitas (bedrock, establishment) vs. Joe Namath (rebellion, cool).

“Namath...was the first one, you know, to offer quarterback as lifestyle. I mean, he told boys, you know, and girls everywhere that, like, this is what throwing a football, well, can get you.”
— Seth Wickersham (34:40)

• The Psychological Toll:
  • Retirement leaves QBs like Joe Montana and John Elway searching for new meaning—“the sadness that... you talk about with Montana was with him too.”
  • Elway as the archetype: #1 high school, #1 draft pick, Hall of Famer. “You have to hardwire yourself in a particular way to survive that winnowing.”

“Quarterback is such a unique job and it has such unique responsibilities... you have to hardwire yourself in a particular way to survive that winnowing and to pull that off and to live up to expectation.”
— Seth Wickersham (31:00)

• Modern Legacies:
  • The complicated exits of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick from the Patriots; lingering fallout between Belichick and Kraft.
  • Wickersham: “I think you can’t underestimate how pissed [Belichick] is at the way things ended in New England.”

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5. Rhyme Time & QB Fame By Eras

• [48:57–51:45]
  • Todd leads “Rhyme Time”—a signature wordplay segment with clues capitalizing on sports rhymes (e.g., “Caitlyn Clark, groin = Clark, Stark”).
  • Afterward, the crew reminisces about the most famous quarterbacks from their own childhoods:
    • Dan: Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach—emphasizing their cultural impact over statistical greatness.
    • Crew: Phil Simms, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.

“He [Namath] wasn’t the best quarterback. I thought Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. But what Joe did...he’s such a nice person too. He just had charisma. He had it.”
— Dan Patrick (45:16)

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “When you need me the most, that’s when I step up. That’s what separated Brady from everybody, Patrick Mahomes from everybody.”
  — Dan Patrick (08:37)

• “It happened in the 80s… Bill Walsh… developed an entire offense based on the pass, first as a substitute for the run.”
  — Seth Wickersham (28:00)

• “Quarterback is such a unique job and it has such unique responsibilities... you have to hardwire yourself in a particular way to survive that winnowing.”
  — Seth Wickersham (31:00)

• “Joe Namath was rebellion…and he was the first to offer it as lifestyle...he’s up there with some very, very, very famous Americans.”
  — Seth Wickersham (36:32)

• “Who should be more upset with their exit? Brady or Belichick?”
  — Dan Patrick (39:09)

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Other Notable Segments

• Listener Calls: Spirited fan base shares triumphs and gripes about their teams and legends.
• Sports History Trivia: No-hitter stats, holiday party stories, gifts for ESPN staff.
• Cigar Chat: Dan’s offbeat recommendations for Cuban and non-Cuban cigars.
• Light-Hearted Banter: Jokes about quarterback names, holiday party etiquette, and gifts received during ESPN tenure.

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Episode Structure

• [02:30] – Dan sets up the quarterback discussion & poll question.
• [04:56] – Vikings/Bears reaction; what makes a great NFL quarterback.
• [09:29] – Listener calls on NFL best/worst, Hall of Fame debates, sports heartbreak.
• [26:46] – Seth Wickersham joins for a deep dive into quarterback culture and history.
• [48:57] – Rhyme Time game: crew solves pun-based sports clues.
• [52:03] – Cigars, tequila, and more listener calls.
• [53:32] – End of hour; set up for next hour.

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Takeaways

• The quarterback’s journey—from high school prodigy to NFL icon to post-retirement struggles—is the central saga of modern football.
• The cultural mythmaking around quarterbacks began in earnest with the West Coast offense and stars like Joe Namath.
• Fame in the NFL has always been about more than play; lifestyle, image, and media matter.
• Legacies hang on late-career decisions and exits—Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and the question of who gets to write the final chapter.
• The Dan Patrick Show’s combination of sports insight, humor, nostalgia, and fan interaction remains as lively and unpredictable as ever.

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Recommended for listeners who love:
NFL history, in-depth journalism, sports culture, witty banter, and analysis of how the myths around famous athletes are born and transformed.

Transcript

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[Todd]

The way it works is I give you guys two clues and the answers rhyme with one another.

[Dan Patrick]

All right. Why don't you give us a for instance?

[Todd]

For instance as I grab my sheet. Okay, how about this? Bengal Broadcast Award. Bengal Broadcast Award.

[Dan Patrick]

Edward R. Murrow. Burrow.

[Todd]

Yeah, but that's too many words. It's just burrow Murrow. But you did get it. So it's a one word to one word.

[Dan Patrick]

Why? To do the Edgar.

[Todd]

People would know who Murrow is.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah. No, they don't know who he is.

[Todd]

That's unfortunate. Burrow Murrow is the right answer and that's how the game works.

[Dan Patrick]

More entertainment like that coming up later on this hour. Merchandise store open and stocked up with fresh [e-mail] yes, please do a drive by, if you can. Stat of the day brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the program. From the crew that brought you the office comes the new comedy of underdogs with major issues. It's called the Paper. Streaming now only on Peacock, which is where you can find this program. Thank you for downloading the app. We'll have a poll question for hour two. Seth Wickersham, senior writer at the Mothership, has a new book and it's all about quarterbacks. Here's something I want to bring up to him because it used to be the focus of the NFL was about the running back. It wasn't about the quarterback. And I want to know when that changed. When we went from, you know, Jim Brown and Marion Motley and all of these, you know, hop along Cassidy and Red Grange and Jim, then it went to the quarterback. When did that happen? Because now we've had quarterbacks who have been celebrities back in the 20s, 30s, and 40s, and. But now that's. That. That is the marquee position in all the sports, being a quarterback for an NFL team. But the book is great, and it deals with the evolution of the quarterback in not only the NFL, but also in college. So he'll join us coming up a little bit later on. Minnesota wins 27, 24. If I said fill in the blank, let's do an early fill in the blank. Marvin, I'll start with you. After last night, the Vikings are blank.

[Todd]

Contenders.

[Dan Patrick]

Dylan, better than I thought. Todd dangerous. Seaton solid. After last night, the Bears are blank. Todd disappointing. Seaton, who we thought they were. Oh. Oh, Marvin, What Seaton said. Dylan, not terrible on offense. Yeah, I expected. I. I thought I was going to get more. I thought the Bears were going to win that game, and it certainly looked like that. 176 going into the fourth quarter. And whatever they did to JJ McCarthy the first three quarters, they forgot to do in the final quarter. But it did feel like Kevin OConnell gave him a little bit more latitude or longitude, and he took advantage of it. A couple of touchdown passes, touchdown run. And it started to look and feel like, okay, because I. Once again, I've said this before, I said it many times on the show. I've watched him play, and nothing really stood out. But I think, you know, that's a partial blame to Jim Harbaugh, because I kept thinking, all right, you got this top 10 talent, they run the football and play defense. That Jim didn't really sway from that. And now I did see him in a game against Ohio State where you go, okay, but I didn't see enough of that. And I remember, you know, one of my sources is a scout, and he goes, no, the guy wins. And I go, but what's that mean? He. He somehow does what he needs to do when you need him to do it. That's how it was defined to me. And you saw that last night in the fourth quarter. Now, he didn't show that in the first three quarters. No glimpses. But Caleb Williams is supposed to have those kind of games. That's six consecutive home losses for the Bears, and they were booed as they left the field last night. And you got Detroit coming up on a short work week for the Bears. But Caleb Williams, he shows glimpses. I just want him to be great for a game that. That's what happens with quarterbacks in the NFL. It's not just, hey, I'm good in the first quarter, or, hey, I had a great first half. It's, you got to be consistent and then you got to be great. That's usually what you find out with these marquee court. Like, you know, you saw Josh Allen, all right, he's good now. He needs to be great. And he was, you know, Lamar Jackson was great, but I need that quarterback who's going to be. I'll keep my team in the, in the game. Or we might be leading, but when you need me the most, that's when I step up. That's what separated Brady from everybody, Patrick Mahomes from everybody. Game on the line. We got that guy. And you saw that Last Night with J.J. mcCarthy. And I think that that was the surprising part of it, is where was it and why did it, you know, all of a sudden emerge? Here is JJ McCarthy on winning and keeping composure.

[Seth Wickersham]

You know, I felt like I did a really good job with that and, you know, just feeding off the energy of my teammates and my coaches, you know, helped me out tremendously. But, you know, at the end of the day, know, we're so blessed to be able to play this game. So every snap we get is a complete blessing. And, you know, that's something that I was mentioning to the guys in the huddle when we were down. Like, where else would you rather be? So I feel like, you know, we did a great job and this team showed a lot of poise and responded very well.

[Dan Patrick]

We'll get to phone calls coming up. 877-3-DP-SHOW email address dpdanpatrick.com Twitter handle PShow Stat of the day is always brought to you by Panini America. The official trading cards of the Dan Patrick show. We had phone issues yesterday and I said, if you want to call in today, best and worst of the weekend, then we'll do that on a Tuesday. Reggie in South Carolina leads us off second hour. Hi, Reg.

[Caller]

What's going on, D.P. man, I just want to talk about them Indianapolis Colts, man, coming down the hard rock and shutting them Dolphins down, man. Yes, sir. Daniel Jones QB rating 116, man. Resurrected.

[Dan Patrick]

Alrighty, Reg. I didn't expect Reg calling in a Daniel Jones shout out. Qbr. Yes, Marvin.

[Todd]

Reggie sounds a lot like James in Virginia. He's not gonna fool me. You're not gonna fool me twice, Reggie.

[Dan Patrick]

Josh in San Antonio. Good morning, Josh. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

What's up, Dan? Long time listener here. I just wanted to kind of go off the board here. I always enjoy your interviews with two receivers in particular. My man Michael Irvin and Steve Smith, 89. And I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring and you can join the bandwagon. Can we start the campaign to get Steve Smith senior into the hall of Fame? Because there are very. There's a short list of receivers that I would draft that I know that I could go to in crunch time. That's going to be a dog in big games. And Steve Smith senior is right at the top of that. He was a triple crown winner after breaking his leg the season before. He played big time minutes and you knew you could always count on him down the stretch.

[Dan Patrick]

Well, he certainly helped Cam that rookie year because he was. Whenever Cam needed to bail out somebody to bail him out. Steve Smith was wonderful, but I'd have to look at the numbers. I think he got overshadowed certainly playing with Cam, but he played in the super bowl and Steve was tough. Really, really tough guy. Let's see Bill in Tampa. Hi, Bill. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

Good morning, DP and Dan S. I've got two best of the weekend, a comment and a question, if I may.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Caller]

My first best is the 2.0USF both proving they are no cream puff. My second is Tommy DeVito getting a progressive commercial. And now that he's in New England, maybe we should start calling him Tommy Clamstowder.

[Dan Patrick]

All righty. Thank you. Bill. Yes.

[Todd]

Have you seen. That's a pretty funny commercial.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I have. I don't know if it's Tommy Clamchata, but I always thought Tommy Salami was going to be a great one. But nobody went with that. It was Tommy Cutlets. How about Tommy Clam Chowder?

[Todd]

I love that.

[Dan Patrick]

That's the best joke of the week. Best joke of the month. How about Tommy Clam Chowder? Greg in North Carolina. How about Tommy Lobster?

[Caller]

I got my best and worst of the week. Best of the week. You touched on this a lot already is. JJ McCarthy last night went into the season kind of wondering why they'd give up a quarterback that won 12 games for somebody that didn't make it through preseason last year. And I think we got to see a little bit of that last night. Worst of the week was definitely the Browns went into the season with no expectation whatsoever and defense looked really good. Thought we had a chance to win that game and we ended it in about as big as Brown's fashion as we could.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I was. I thought the Browns were going to win that game because I mean why not everything that's happened in the off season and somehow they would win that game and they should have won that game. I mean you shut down what is supposed to be maybe the best offense in football or the best passing game in football. They had seven yards in the second half and still couldn't, you know, they pulled out a win. I mean that's what's amazing. Brown's defense played really well, but you have that opportunity. I don't even know if I'm sure the Browns want to win, but do they really, really want to win? If you're a Browns fan, are you hoping that they were bad and then maybe you're going to get a quarterback? Yes, Marvin.

[Todd]

This feels like the movie Major League where the players want to win but ownership has no interest in winning so they can get the number one pick.

[Dan Patrick]

Madden Utah hi Matt, what's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey Dan. Just the best of worst of the weekend and a pie of the face offer. Oh also 5, 9 and a hard 160 weekends. My Utah youth barely skidding by the Cal Poly Mustang 63 to 9. Worst of the weekend, my Denver Broncos barely beaten a terrible Titans team. Also for my pilot face I was trying to do a self proposed Utah Utes beating the Texas Tech Raiders next week by a self proposed over eight and a half. If I lose I'll cold plunge bear ass into the chilly great Salt Lake.

[Dan Patrick]

I'm rooting for Utah so I, I'm. I'm not going to take you up. I don't think. I mean Texas Tech spent a lot of money in the off season. Utah's a great program. I don't think you have any takers Matt, but thank you. Thank you for the offer. Very kind, very generous to jump naked into Salt Lake. Nick and Irvine. Hi Nick.

[Caller]

Dan, always an honor. Talk to the hall of Famer. Hey I have my best of the weekend. Continue on with their march to the Super Bowl. They're going to be beating the commanders 45 to 2 and that is my prediction. The worst of the weekend is sitting down on Saturday. Watching my Dodgers on the road to 120 knot victories and two out in the bottom of the ninth inning. Going to see my first ever first pitch to last pitch no hitter and they ended up getting walked off. Compounded with Fritz saying that it was his best of the weekend. What unmitigated gall, what lack of sympathy. What lack of empathy that was. There should be a Hall of Fame for worse of the weekend and the first ballot should be that game. That was the worst loss I have ever suffered as a fanatic. But my anodyne. Dan was listening to your show. It's a great show. I love you guys. Keep up the good work.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Nick. Todd.

[Todd]

For every worst side, there's a best side. It's just the other side of the coin. And it happened on Cal Ripken's record streak for the Iron Man. So it happened on that date to come back down three, nothing to win four three. And just. That was an amazing win for the Orioles. I could certainly understand the disappointment of a Dodger fan.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Todd. But didn't we get the Cal Ripken game as a Christmas gift at espn?

[Todd]

Yeah, we got, like, some VHS tape. Thanks for your time with the company. Something Christmas.

[Dan Patrick]

I mean, I didn't expect anything great, but I don't know Cal Ripken's game and they give you a VHS copy of that. Didn't we get Season on the Brink when they were doing the movie, I believe. Didn't we get a. A D? If maybe it was a VHS tape of that for our Christmas gift?

[Todd]

They threw it in ESPN Radio. Frisbee in a keychain. I'm not sure, though.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I think I was supposed to get something after being there. I was there 18 years. I think after 10 years, you were supposed to get something. Or maybe after 15 years. Yes, Todd, I got it.

[Todd]

I have some kind of Mickey mouse plaque for 10 years with the Walt Disney Company. So it's just. It's a smiling Mickey Mouse on some kind of frame thing.

[Dan Patrick]

Now. I got that. I got a statue or a little statuette that I gave to Scott Van Pelt when I went back. I hadn't been back in 10 years, and I went on his show and I gave you my. My Mickey Mouse. Yes, Marvin.

[Todd]

Why would they give you more money? Let's just give you a plaque instead.

[Dan Patrick]

Or a VHS tape. I can't even find a VHS machine. Now.

[Todd]

Here's season one of playmakers.

[Dan Patrick]

Yay. Well, we have to buy gifts for a lot of people. Okay. All right. Yes. Dylan, how did they land on it being the Cal Ripken game? Was that just like the last recorded thing? And they're like, all right, crank out a bunch. No, because ESPN carried it. That was the famous Chris Berman didn't say a word for like, 18 minutes. And that was called one of the. I don't know how you say, man, that's one of the best called games ever. But 18 minutes. There was nothing said. But that Stood out because Chris just let it breathe. But I remember that was really big deal. It's like, yeah, man. Did you d. Did you watch the game? I said, yeah, yeah. And Chris didn't say a word for 18 minutes. And I said, I didn't think that was possible. Yes, Dylan. Oh, well. So I was actually at the game, Dan, this weekend. Oh, you were?

[Seth Wickersham]

Yeah, I went.

[Dan Patrick]

Eagles, Cowboys to Orioles, Dodgers. The classic weekend double double. Sure. And just coincidentally, one of the best baseball games I've ever been to. Like, I didn't know it was the Cal Ripton. Cal Ripken ceremony until I got there. The place was going nuts. And then obviously ended in pretty dramatic fashion, and I cashed that parlay that I desperately needed. Did they hand out Cal Ripken VHS copy to people there? I think it was Blu Ray. Blu Ray, Yeah. We got some really strange gifts. But I remember a friend of mine in management, he said, well, we spend all that money on the Christmas party. And most of the time, I didn't go to the Christmas party. It was like, I. I don't know. I always found them kind of awkward, weird. And then, you know, you got management who doesn't like you, and then everybody's drinking, getting hammered, and you're supposed to be, hey, how are you, Skippy? How are you, Tommy? Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

And then the other awkward part is you already don't want to talk to that particular person. Now, how do I get out of this and not be rude, but how do we wrap this conversation up so I can kind of move? Hey, I'm going to get a drink. You want anything?

[Dan Patrick]

Something?

[Todd]

I got to hit the restroom. You just got to get out of there.

[Dan Patrick]

I haven't mastered that. Very awkward. I'm bad that, you know, you're, like, talking and talking, and then I just don't have that exit rap yet. Yes, Todd.

[Todd]

I usually go with you. I'm going to go make the rounds. I'll catch up a little later. I got some people I wanted to go say hi to, something like that, so they don't feel like they're being blown off.

[Dan Patrick]

But then. Then my wife goes, did you ever think that they're tired of talking to you? Very possible. I go, I hadn't thought of it. But now. Now I think about that all the time. Hey, I don't want to waste any more of your time. I'm sorry. I'm going to go get some shrimp cocktail. How about we take a break here? Speaking of the mothership, one of the great writers there, Seth Wickersham. He's got another book out, guaranteed to be a New York Times bestseller. It's about the evolution of the quarterback. He'll join us coming up next. Dan Patrick Show Be sure to catch the live edition of the Dan Patrick show, weekdays at 9am Eastern, 6am Pacific on Fox Sports, Rad Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Hey, what's up everybody? It's me, three time Pro Bowler LaVar Arrington and I couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called up on Game. What is up on Game? You ask? Along with my fellow Pro Bowler TJ Hushman Zada and Super Bowl Champion. Yep, that's right. Plexico Burris. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on Game we're going to be sharing our real life experiences, loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on game with me, Lavar Arrington, TJ Huch, Manzada and Plexico Burris on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast from.

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I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

[Scott Barry Kaufman]

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not going to choose an adaptive stre strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like, like go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.

[Seth Wickersham]

Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I just think the process and the journey is so delicious. That's where all the good stuff is. You just can't live and die by the end result.

[Simone Boyce]

It's scary putting yourself out there, especially when it's something you really care about and something that you hope is your passion in life and you want people to like it. Let's get delicious and put ourselves out there. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side, and those were my recent guests, comedian Phoebe Robinson and writer Aaron Foster. On this show, I'm talking to the brightest minds in entertainment, health, wellness and pop culture. And every week we're going places in our communities, our careers and ourselves. It's not about being perfect. It's about going on a journey and discovering the bright side of becoming. Few people know that better than soccer legend Ashlyn Harris. It's the journey, it's the people, it's.

[Dan Patrick]

The failures, it's the heartache, it's the little moments.

[Simone Boyce]

These are our moments to laugh, learn and exhale. So join me every Monday and let's find the bright side together. Listen to the bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Caller]

Everybody.

[Todd]

Did you hear that Exclusive.

[Dan Patrick]

I don't know if you don't lie about that. Right? Lauren came in.

[Lauren LaRosa]

From viral performances to red carpet looks that had everyone talking the podcast. The Latest with Lauren LaRosa is your go to for everything VMA's. We will be right here breaking it all down. I'm going to be giving you all the headlines, breaking down everything that is going down behind the scenes and getting into what the people are saying, like what is the culture talking about? That's exactly what we'll be getting into here at the Latest with Lauren LaRosa, everything be amazed. I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody to hear this and more. Listen to the latest with Lauren, the Rosa from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan Patrick]

The book is called American Kings, a Biography of the Quarterback, and you'll find it on bookshelves today. Seth Wickersham, senior writer for the Mothership, author of New York Times bestseller It's Better to Be Feared, the Patriots Dynasty and the new book American Kings, a Biography of the quarterback. Great to see you again, Seth. I had a random thought late last night that I grew up in an era where the running back was the most important position on the football team that, you know, you had, you had to have your Jim Brown or somebody of that ilk. And I didn't know if there was a time when all of a sudden quarterback became the most important position and kind of, you know, took the baton from the running back. Was there a line of demarcation in your memory?

[Seth Wickersham]

What's up, man? It's good to see you. You know, you brought back some hazy memories. When you were talking about the old holiday parties. I went to one back in the day and that was quite the spectacle. Yeah, I appreciate you having me on. I think that really, it happened in the 80s and I really think that, look, this was a lot of Bill Walsh's genius and that's that he, you know, partially through desperation when he was with the Cincinnati Bengals, but he developed an entire offense that was based on the past, first as a substitute for the run. And really, you know, he revolutionized football all the way down to Pop Warner. And as I get into in the book, it's interesting to see Steve Young when he was sort of taking over for Joe Montana. He had this moment where, you know, he was playing really, really well and winning MVPs, but he wasn't Joe. And Mike Shanahan had come along and he spent two days with every quarterback. And Montana was still with the Niners, but he was injured. And after spending time with Joe Montana he called Joe back and he was like, joe, you look at the west coast offense different than anybody. Like, I need. I need to understand how you think about this. And Joe was like, yeah, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that. And as it turns out, Joe was this incredible practitioner and radical simplifier, and he didn't run the west coast offense the way that Bill Walsh drew it up. He basically narrowed it down to one receiver. And then if that guy wasn't there, he looked for the outlet. And if that guy wasn't there, he was throwing it away where Steve was running it the way that Bill Walsh drew it up. And because of that, he was taking some unnecessary contacts. So the year after Joe Montana was traded to the Chiefs, Mike Shanahan called Steve Young back in and was like, all right, we're changing the way the offense runs. We're not doing it by the playbook again.

[Dan Patrick]

You. And the book deals with high school, college, NFL retirement. In fact, you know, the book ends, you're talking to John Elway. And when I read that, I, I immediately thought of when Wright Thompson profiled Joe Montana, and it was sad because here's. He was the greatest quarterback. This is before Brady surpassed him. And then you lose your identity that he's not the greatest quarterback. And that Wright Thompson kind of said, you could see it with Joe.

[Seth Wickersham]

You.

[Dan Patrick]

He lost something there. You.

[Seth Wickersham]

You're.

[Dan Patrick]

You're chronicling these guys like, like Elway's done and, you know, now it's retirement and trying to hold on to things or let things go. And. And you're talking a lot of these hall of Fame, you know, Steve Young and Warren Moon and Elway. And was there a common theme about, once it's over with, how they felt?

[Seth Wickersham]

Well, I mean, so quarterback is such a unique job and it has such unique responsibilities. I mean, there was one day with Steve Young that we went, hats you have to wear as an NFL quarterback from, you know, master motivator to spokesperson for a multi billion dollar organization, all of these things. We stopped at 17 and frankly, like, I think we could have kept going. And so I think that, like, to survive, you know, what interested me most about Elway was that he was the first quarterback who was number one out of high school, first pick in the draft, first ballot, hall of Famer. And you have to hardwire yourself in a particular way to survive that winnowing and to pull that off and to live up to expectation. And he did it. And so the entire look at Elway was like, what it did to Him. And I think that, like, the sadness that the wistfulness that you talk about with Montana was with him, too. I mean, I think that, like, he dealt with that, and I think it's one of the reasons why he jumped back in and became general manager of the Broncos is because, look, he needed to reinvent himself, but he also went back to what he knew best. And I think that there are some painful moments, you know, in that. In that process that we get into in the book.

[Dan Patrick]

You look at the quarterback now, and everything funnels through them. They're celebrities. But you go back to, who was it? Bob. Bob Waterfield?

[Seth Wickersham]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Was he. Was he the first celeb? Because he married Jane Russell, famous actress?

[Seth Wickersham]

Yeah.

[Dan Patrick]

Was he the first. This was before DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe, I think. And. But was. Was he the first or. That's the first celebrity couple that we have?

[Seth Wickersham]

I mean, they were. Yeah, they were friends with DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe, ironically. But on.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Seth Wickersham]

So from the moment the forward pass was legalized in college football in 1906, you know, I wanted to look at, like, how fast it took until it became this thing that our country kind of mythologized and celebrated. And it happened a lot faster than I thought. And Waterfield was kind of the first culmination of that. So he, for people who don't know, you know, he was a star at UCLA, got drafted by the Cleveland Rams in 1945. He wins MVP, they win an NFL championship. He's married to Jane Russell, who's the world's biggest, or at least the country's biggest pinup star at the time. And the owner of the Cleveland Rams, Dan Reeves, is basically like, I gotta take advantage of this. This power. I mean, you're talking about the golden age of Hollywood. And for that and a few other reasons, he moves the team to Los Angeles. And, you know, that was a huge moment in the idea of a quarterback like Bob Waterf kind of looked like James Dean before there was such a thing as James Dean. And, you know, their celebrity became a huge thing. I mean, they're. The parties at their house. I get into them at the book. But, I mean, the parties at their house that, you know, overlooked the Valley were legendary because it was this collision of football in Hollywood. Like, Pete Roselle was an intern for the Rams at that time, and he talked about how, like, one of the. The high moments of his career, at least his young career, was just being invited to their house and seeing the spectacle that it was.

[Dan Patrick]

Talking to Seth Wickersham ESPN senior writer and the new book, American Kings, a biography of the quarterback, the most important quarterback in NFL history is who.

[Seth Wickersham]

I mean, they're all kind of culturally descendant of Johnny Unitis and Joe Namath. So, you know, you have to kind of think about one of those two guys, I think.

[Dan Patrick]

But.

[Seth Wickersham]

You know, I'd probably go with Namath more than any. More than Unitis, because Namath kind of.

[Dan Patrick]

He.

[Seth Wickersham]

He not only had kind of evolved Unitis in the sense that, like, he was calling his own plays, and he looked at the job as kind of a field general, but he was the first one, you know, to offer quarterback as lifestyle. I mean, he told boys, you know, and girls everywhere that, like, this is what throwing a football, well, can get you. And, I mean, he scared people to death. He scared people to death with his moxie, with his release, with his attitude. And there is a moment later, late in the book where I'm with Joe and I ask him, like, look, having been through everything you've been through as this American, you know, luminary, is it worth it? Like, would you rather be a quarterback or would you rather have done anything else? And his answer was really, really interesting.

[Dan Patrick]

What did he say?

[Seth Wickersham]

Oh, you know, I. I have to have. To help have a little bit of cliffhangers. But, like, you know, I think the most interesting thing was that it was something that, like, I. I asked him and it surprised him, but you could tell that it was something that he had actually spent some time thinking about because, you know, he experienced a lot. I mean, he experienced unbelievable highs, some unbelievable lows, and, you know, a lot of physical pain also, obviously.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, and he was a celebrity. I didn't think Joe was a great quarterback. I think he, he, he fit the character. He looked at the hair. You know, the Beatles were big. He had that haircut. He had the fur coat, the white shoes. The greatest release a quarterback has ever unveiled. But he was. He had a bar. The commissioner told him to, you know, he had to get rid of Bachelor's three. I mean, there was a lot of stuff going on with Joe in New York and then all the women in there as well, and, well, well.

[Seth Wickersham]

And John Unitis was kind of like bedrock 1950s establishment, and Joe Namath was rebellion. And even though, you know, he wasn't a rock star, he kind of looked like one, even more than a quarterback. I mean, he was kind of hunched over and, you know, he, he, like I said, you know, he was the first to offer it his lifestyle. And I think that, like, his Influence in the Zeitgeist is so big. And you're right. I mean, you know, look, he didn't. He didn't have, like, a great career in a lot of ways, but when you're talking about the pantheon of American men who have, like, influenced culture, he's part of it. And, you know, he's up there with some very, very, very famous Americans.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, I like, in Johnny Unites, he was right out of Mayberry or Leave it to Beaver. And Namath was Fonzie. On Happy Days, he was just. He was the cool guy. Leather, leather jacket. It's great talking to you again. I wish you well with the book. And have you talked to Bill Belichick recently?

[Seth Wickersham]

Oh, my gosh, no. But, you know, I think they're gonna figure things out there, and I think that, like, you know, look, he's changed a lot in. In, you know, our impression of him has changed a lot in the past couple years. And I think that, like, in talking to people close to him, I think you can't underestimate how pissed he is at the way that things ended in New England. Not just that he was kind of, you know, that. That he didn't end on his terms exactly, but just, you know, the Dynasty docu series and what that did to his reputation. You know, how Don Van Naeta and Jeremy Fowler and I reported that Robert Kraft, you know, didn't do him any favors when he was trying to get back in the league after the Patriots let him go. Oh, I'm sorry. After. There was a mutual party. And, you know, I think that, like, you know, the news that came out last week about, you know, banning the scouts is not just notable in the sense that, you know, the guy can hold a grudge, but it's also that he's willing to be so public with it. And I think that is so much different than the Bill Belichick that we know. I mean, this is a guy who, I think, as much as anybody in American public life the past 20 years, has been careful with his words and chosen his words carefully, and we're seeing a little bit of a different Bill now. And, you know, it's. It's fascinating to watch the vapor trail from the Dynasty, not the docu series, but just the Dynasty, what the greatness they accomplished continues to, you know, really continues to this day.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, but who should be more upset with their exit? Brady or Belichick? With the Patriots, I mean, Tom got embarrassed.

[Seth Wickersham]

Who should be more. Yeah, well, you know, Tom, you know, he won. You know, he won the narrative forever. And you know, whether he wanted to or not. And I think that, like, obviously he wanted to prove that there was a different way to win and see if there was a different way to win. But, you know, I think that, like this stuff that's happened between Belichick and Kraft, you know, look, Belichick and Brady are in a good place. Like, you know, these guys are never going to be spitting your palm pals, but, you know, they're in a good place in terms of their relationship. I think it's going to take a lot of work for the relationship between Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick to, you know, be in a good place if that ever happens.

[Dan Patrick]

Good luck with the book. Great to catch up with you again. Thank you, Seth.

[Seth Wickersham]

Thanks, man. Great to see you.

[Dan Patrick]

Seth Wickersham. The book is out today. It's called American Kings, a biography of the quarterback. It it's a life cycle. It looks at the high school, college, NFL and then retirement of some of the great quarterbacks of all time. We'll take a break. Phone calls coming up and it's going to be rhyme time with Fritzi.

[Todd]

Yeah, it is.

[Dan Patrick]

Back after this. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our [e-mail] and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live.

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[Seth Wickersham]

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, host of the Psychology Podcast. Here's a clip from an upcoming conversation about exploring human potential.

[Scott Barry Kaufman]

I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills, and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation. Like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it. If it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say like, like go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like, walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving. Meditating, you know, takes effort.

[Seth Wickersham]

Listen to the psychology podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I just think the process and the journey is so delicious. That's where all the good stuff is. You just can't live and die by the end result.

[Simone Boyce]

It's scary putting yourself out there, especially when it's something you really care about and something that you hope is your passion in life and you want people to like it. Let's get delicious and put ourselves out there. I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side, and those were my recent guests, comedian Phoebe Robinson and writer Aaron Foster. On this show, I'm talking to the brightest minds in entertainment, health, wellness and pop culture. And every week we're going places in our communities, our careers and ourselves. It's not about being perfect. It's about going on a journey and discovering the bright side of becoming. Few people know that better than soccer legend Ashlyn Harris.

[Dan Patrick]

It's the journey. It's the people, it's the failures, it's the heartache, it's the little moments.

[Simone Boyce]

These are our moments to laugh, learn and exhale. So join me every Monday and let's find the bright side together. Listen to the bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Todd]

Everybody excuses.

[Dan Patrick]

You know she don't lie about that, right?

[Lauren LaRosa]

Lauren came in from viral performances to red carpet looks that had everyone talking the podcast. The Latest with Lauren LaRosa is your go to for everything VMA's. We will be right here breaking it all down. I'm going to be giving you all the headlines, breaking down everything that is going down behind the scenes and getting into what the people are saying. Like what is the culture talking about. That's exactly what we'll be getting into here at the Latest with Lauren LaRosa. Everything VMAs.

[Dan Patrick]

Get to it.

[Lauren LaRosa]

I'm the homegirl that knows a little bit about everything and everybody to hear this and more. Listen to the latest with Lauren, the Rosa from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Dan Patrick]

There hasn't been a no hitter in Major League Baseball this season. Last full season without a no no was 2005, but it was on this date, 1965. Sandy Koufax threw his fourth career no hitter and first perfect game in a win against the Cubs. Marvin asked a question during the commercial break. The most famous quarterback when you were growing up, and I would probably say Joe Namath was famous, but it was, it was different because I, he wasn't the best quarterback. I thought Lenny Dawson was a better quarterback. But what Joe did and what he did in New York and he did it for the jets and he won the super bowl and the big underdog and, and he, he's such a nice person too. And he just had charisma. He had it when you're wearing white shoes like you, you better be really good. And he had long hair and he wore like this big fur coat on the sidelines when he was injured for a game he played at Shea. Terrible field, but oh, what a, what a release. Gosh, I think it might be the, you know, if you're looking at pure quarterback throwing it, he, he made it look effortless. So I would say him, Bart Starr because he was with the packers and they were winning championships. They won Super Bowls. Johnny Unitis, he was a little bit before my time, but I would say those guys in the late 60s, early 70s, and your quarterback back then wasn't somebody throwing 30 touchdowns. You know, Bart Starr, Bob Greasy, they weren't, you know, stat stuffers. They weren't going to put up incredible numbers there. But they back Then being a field general, they would call it. They were field generals. Joe Theisman became famous. He was a celebrity of sorts. And then he was dating. Who was he dating on that show, Todd?

[Todd]

Oh, like believe it or not or something like that.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Todd]

Kathy Lee Crosby.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah, yeah, he was a celebrity. But I don't know if. Did you have a quarterback growing up? Where you go. Roger Staubach was another one who was. Who became. Because he was the Cowboys quarterback and he had been in the military. Naval Academy. Heisman Trophy winner. He was something special. You know, those were the first ones that I came across. Yes. Marvin.

[Todd]

For me, it's probably Dan Marino. Yeah. I saw him first on Ace. In the movie. Ace Ventura. Pet Detective.

[Dan Patrick]

Yeah.

[Todd]

And I didn't know he was a real quarterback.

[Dan Patrick]

Dylan, did you have one? I mean, for me, it was really like Brady and Peyton Manning were kind of their prime. Was sort of when I was in my youth. What about you, Seaton? Well, I was a big Dan Marino fan. But when you asked me the most famous quarterback from when I was young, it would have been Phil Sims. Okay. He was, you know, Jersey, the Giants were on a run. You know, Phil Sims was like as big as it got. Todd.

[Todd]

Yeah, I was always big on the Cowboy Steelers, so like Starbuck and Bradshaw. But again, the one that I really felt like, like what Marvin was saying. Dan Marino for me was like the person with the curly hair and the tan and the good look.

[Dan Patrick]

He did the Isotoner glove commercial. Yeah. Then he, you know, when he's playing himself in the movie with Jim Carrey. All right, time to do rhyme time. Todd, give us gets. Get the rules. Let everybody know how to play. Rhyme time.

[Todd]

I'm going to give you a pair of clues. The answer, the words. Rhymes are one word answers that rhyme with each other. So it'll be like we did Bengal Broadcast award was Burrow Morrow.

[Dan Patrick]

Okay, that's how the game goes. Here we go.

[Todd]

Groin. NBC's Melissa Clark.

[Dan Patrick]

Stark. Clark, Stark.

[Todd]

Caitlyn Clark. Battling that groin injury. And Melissa Stark, of course, buccaneer pretender. Buccaneer faker. Baker faker. Now we're on a roll here. Pat's leader, capable. Pat's leader, capable. Able for Abel for able. There you go. Wow, you guys are banging these out. Okay, state head Married with children.

[Dan Patrick]

Gundy Bundy. Gundy Bundy. Let's go.

[Todd]

Red Sox great tennis champ. Red Sox great tennis champ. Think of current tennis great players. Number eight with Boston.

[Dan Patrick]

Karius Stremsky and.

[Todd]

Who is what they call K Shki.

[Dan Patrick]

Yaz.

[Todd]

Who's a great tennis player these days?

[Dan Patrick]

Alcaraz. Yaz.

[Lauren LaRosa]

Alcaraz.

[Todd]

Don't tell me that doesn't rhyme. Yaz. Alcaraz. Car protector. Car protector. M's bat. Car protector. M's bat.

[Dan Patrick]

Bumper dumper. Bumper dumper.

[Todd]

That's what it is. Buckeye land. Hint. Buckeye land. Hint. Another word for a hint.

[Dan Patrick]

Shoe. Clue.

[Todd]

Shoe.

[Dan Patrick]

Clue.

[Todd]

The horseshoe. I got a few more here. Longhorn Madness. Longhorn Madness.

[Dan Patrick]

Arch, March.

[Todd]

Arch. March. This is how it works. Sweetness. Dodger for Paul. Sweetness. Dodger.

[Dan Patrick]

Peyton. Clayton. Peyton. Clayton. Reigns, NBC.

[Todd]

Reigns, NBC. That was Tim Rain's nickname. Rock, NBC.

[Dan Patrick]

30 Peacock. Rock. Peacock. I just owned 30 Rock.

[Todd]

Okay, we got three more. I think we can get them in.

[Dan Patrick]

All right.

[Todd]

Todd, Irving, our friend, Irving Seven. Irving Seven. The man they call Seven Irving from our show. Irving Seven.

[Seth Wickersham]

Leader.

[Todd]

I can't do the pronouns. I can't do it.

[Dan Patrick]

Michael. Irvin. I was thinking I'm like Michael. And Michael. Vick. Michael. Michael. But it was that. It was Irving. Leader.

[Todd]

Aristotle. Leader. Aristotle.

[Dan Patrick]

Shaq. Dak. Dak.

[Todd]

Shaq would be leader. Aristotle. Dax.

[Dan Patrick]

Shack.

[Todd]

And the last one is. Let's ride, Flex. Let's ride. Flex.

[Dan Patrick]

Russell muscle.

[Seth Wickersham]

Russell muscle.

[Dan Patrick]

Look at you guys. We did it. 100 score. Yeah.

[Todd]

With a minute and a half to spare.

[Dan Patrick]

Nicely done. Yeah, Todd, I like the way you did those clues. They were a little. They were a little off. They weren't. Some of them were pretty on the nose, but some of them. It took you a minute to get there. That was good. Terry in Tennessee. Good morning, Terry. What's on your mind today?

[Caller]

Hey, what's up, Dan?

[Dan Patrick]

How you doing? Good.

[Caller]

Hey, man, I got to give you props. What props is due? You made great recommendations on those Padrones and those my fathers. And if you hadn't tried the new My father's blue, you'll love it. That best price point, about 12 bucks. You'll love it.

[Dan Patrick]

Thank you, Terry. Yeah, those are cigars. If you can't get Cuban cigars, and they're even tougher to get. Now, the Padrone Anniversary Series is always great. And my father. Nice price point. You know, maybe $10, $11, $12. Great cigar. And I have no affiliation with, you know, any of these cigars. I'm just telling you that if I'm smoking, I usually have my father. But the Padrona anniversary, that's more expensive. But that's a great cigar. Never had a bad Pedro. Now, if you give me a Hoya de Monterey now, I'll smoke that. That's a great cigar or Bolivar. There's there's quite a few of them. If you smoke cigars and drink tequila Fort Elisa is the great tequila you can't get anymore. For some reason, everybody started buying it up or they stopped making it. Enough. But the secret's out. Damn. All right, two hours in the books, one more to go. Fritzy Seaton, Marv Dylan, and yours truly.

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[Dan Patrick]

Lauren came in hot.

[Lauren LaRosa]

From viral performances to red carpet looks that had everyone talking the podcast the Latest with Lauren LaRosa is your go to for everything VMA's. We will be right here breaking it all down. I'm going to be giving you all the headlines, breaking down everything that is going down behind the scenes and getting into what the people are saying. Like what is the culture talking about? That's exactly what we'll be getting into here at the Latest with Lauren LaRosa everything Viennese. To hear this and more, listen to the Latest with Lauren LaRosa from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Culture eats strategy for breakfast right?

[Dan Patrick]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

I am a free Black woman.

[Dan Patrick]

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[Lauren LaRosa]

Welcome to Pretty Private with Ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm Ebony, and every Tuesday Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Dan Patrick]

Why are TSA rules so confusing? You got a hoodie on. Take it all. I'm Manny. I'm Noah.

[Scott Barry Kaufman]

This is Devin.

[Dan Patrick]

And we're best friends and journalists with a new podcast called no Such Thing.

[Seth Wickersham]

Where we get to the bottom of questions like that. Why are you screaming?

[Dan Patrick]

I can't expect what to do now if the rule was the same, Go off on me. I deserve it. You know, Lock him up. Listen to no Such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. No Such Thing.

[Simone Boyce]

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